Everything Wrong With Sonic Frontiers in 40 Minutes
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After having Played Every #SonicTheHedgehog Game this year (which you can watch over @CharriiiLIVE) the expectations for the newest Sonic game at the time of writing this were high.
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#SonicFrontiers is fresh, it's tight, it takes its entire history into account without resorting to having to rely on people's understanding of it to tell a good story. It's simple enough, it's complex enough, it's well-written and I had a blast making this video.
It's bizarre how much doing Sonic EWWs takes me back to how the path I'm currently on started, and getting a great Sonic game after all this time just feels like a proverbial end goal to this journey. I can't wait to cover whatever comes after this.
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I love how Sage spends the entire game gassing up a literal Rock that takes 3 minutes to defeat in a freaking Ikaruga minigame
M-Maybe it was planned?
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10 minutes actually. I also find it a little funny on how that rock is the only boss that most youtubers actually lose too
The only way they can make up for that is if it turns out that the planetoid wasn't all. Like, it was just the most that we could comprehend of The End. And in the next game it returns, not having truly been destroyed, but seeking to do to Sonic's World what it did to the ancients.
@@xapath3tic it is implied that "the end" was not complete, since sage say "if he is complete not even super sonic will be able to stop him!" which means that the moon form... is not actually the true "end" and as such, let the game on a cliffhanger
I loved when Tails said I'm wildly inconsistent. It felt like a shot at the writers from the 2010s
Oh, it’s absolutely a shot at them.
I think a better shot at them would to be to retcon it instead but whatever his shitty character is now cannon
@@hyperentity114
Honestly, I like that they stuck with it. A retcon would have been easy, but they chose to stick with the current character, establish why it’s so weird, and they’ll now work towards making him better.
I don’t think that’s a shot at anybody, Tails character has always been inconsistent. Like in Unleashed too.
@@RealBroccoliHour Nope.
12:31 That shadow "bug" that you saw was actually Wyvern flying above you. Yes, outside objects have affect on in-game cutscenes.
Yeah, was gonna say the same, cause it freaked me out when I was playing, and then I looked up and saw him, and it was so freakin cool.
For a while I thought that “bug” was just Strider’s shadow but actually that makes a lot more sense.
It happened in my play through as well
yea same. wyvern is just one of those titans that roams around above you while the rest stay in one spot
...wait, so why was his shadow jittering everywhere
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 Because Wyvern has multiple parts that are kind of like giant blades attached to his spine, and thus as he moves the shadow he casts, from a still perspective, looked like a weird shadow bug. But really it's because the shadow is segmented
36:56 For a while I agreed that The End's motivation was a let down, but then I thought. An ethereal being that's clearly intelligent destroying everything just because it can...not gonna lie that's actually terrifying. The fact that it just wishes to destroy everything just because it simply can is terrifying. And not to mention in its monologue it mentions that even if we destroy this "incarnation" it will return. Sonic basically had his own Ganon now
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I get what you mean, and I do think that’s pretty scary. I think the issue though results in us having such little time with The End for it to actually have an impact. We have the mystery of whatever wiped out The Ancients but in this context I feel like we need more interactions with The End proper, rather than the times it talks to Sonic under the facade of helping so Sonic will unknowingly let it out. We need to hear more of that uncaring attitude. Don’t need to understand it or anything, but besides the ending monologue we need to have The End hammer it home to Sonic just how much it doesn’t care and will pursue its carnal desire to destroy. I feel like that would improve upon its given motivation far better.
Wait, really? It said it will return?
@Christian Schoff Technically it's more implied. In its monologue it says things like "You strike this incarnation" and "No matter what form I take." That kind of hints its a being like Ganon, something that reincarnate and take a different form whenever it dies.
@@muk8549 I'm cool with that.
26:22 Pretty sure the idea is that Sage wants a family "born of love and not genetics" because she WASN'T born of genetics, she isn't Eggman's actual daughter, so when she sees Sonic and Tails acting like brothers even though they actually aren't, she realises it really is possible to form a family "born of love". Anyway, glad to see you enjoyed the game, I don't know if it's my personal favourite 3D Sonic game, but I really enjoyed it too.
I took it as genetics being analogous to code, and that she wanted love beyond just being Eggman's creation. Eggman already appreciated her for her efficiency as his creation, but she wanted a love that was beyond that, out of mutual bond, and she got exactly that. I can see your interpretation now too though.
Really makes me wonder how that slipped past Charii, but I do guess with writing an entire script kinda gets to you and all that, so it's odd but nothing too terrible
The song that plays for the first set of credits cements that idea, I feel like that whole song was just a "final" message for eggman what she wanted to say to him but she doesn't know how to and eggman too fixated on beating sonic to listen.
@@PixelHeroViish I mean, the actual meaning of Sonic's advice to Elise slipped by him in his 06 video despite Sonic literally defining it in the line before. It happens
@@hariodinio Yeah lol
For sin 47, it's not a shadow glitch, it's just Wyvern flying above Sonic and Knuckles' head
Yeah thats what I was thinking
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22:09 Due to his name being canonically changed to Tails the Fox, 2% of people who’s first Sonic game wasn’t a classic game will have no idea his real name is Miles Prower, until now
His name is Miles Prower. It is another Robotnik being called Eggman situation.
Is nobody gonna talk about how Rhea Island LITERALLY IS KRONOS ISLAND!? On the edge of the map, you can actually see the whole Kronos Island area.
You actually get to see the entirety of Rhea's map when you fully unlock Kronos' map
Rhea and Ouranos were actually supposed to be part of Kronos. I'm guessing they got split to save on space or something?
@@KaiDoesGameplay There were originally supposed to be 4 original islands, but the 4th island was cut due to time constraints.
@@ninjanate5018 I wish we had it in the 3rd dlc but unfortunatly we didnt get that
I love the chance of someone who hasn’t seen Sonic before playing Frontiers’ campaign through for the first time and hearing Sonic say “who broke me out of prison”
To be fair, Sonic has been imprisoned SEVERAL times.
But wasn't it Amy though 🤔 who freed him from prison at least that was the case in Sonic Adventure 2.
Also any references they make to older games. If someone entirely new plays sonic frontiers, they'll be missing out on so many older references. Idk if that's good or bad...it just feels like you're missing out on something bigger.
@@SonySlasher2468 Tails was the one who destroyed ALL the GUN robots inside the prison. Amy probably was right by him and walked ahead as Tails was busy. Still, the credit should go to both of them imo.
@@KitsuneFyora And the game didn’t help on the narrative either, because they retconned so much, deviated from the core identity, and treated the legacy as nothing more than a joke. To me, this game officially killed Sonic. I will never buy another Sonic game if this is the direction they’re taking.
26:29 Yeah, that’s not what Sage meant. She was remarking how Sonic & Tails had such a strong familial bond even though they’re not actually related.
35:28 Fun fact: Ian Flynn originally pitched that Sonic would turn into Hyper Sonic as a result of him calling upon the power of the ancients, but SEGA rejected it.
Hyper Sonic? It would've been nice to see his return. Why did those bastards reject...
@UpsAndDowns87 you remember how he flashes rainbow colors, yeah, that caused hundreds of children to experience epileptic seizures when they got him in his debut game. Basically, SEGA has PTSD from the bloodshed they caused with Hyper Sonic and they do NOT want a repeat of history, that is why.
@@ansrfururactions if that's the case, why is Hyper Sonic still in Origins?
@omega.mp432 ... good question, actually.
@@ansrfururactions I mean, they do put epilepsy warnings on the games, right?
the "have you ever have a dream " meme with Amy had me dying 🤣🤣
man took the time to type it out WITH CORRECT FONT. legend
You did it, you made the most important change of all. You made them properly accent their names in the credits. They really do listen to the fans
Oooooh THAT'S what he was saying.
@@TheAdvertisement It was surprisingly delightful to hear his glee over the accent mark after all the times its absence has frustrated him in the past. It's like when the city gets around to fixing a pothole that isn't on your end of town but that your friend has been bemoaning for years, you know?
Despite all it's flaws, it's definitely a step in the right direction, that I hope Sega continues in.
Agreed. And please Chariii, I'd love to see a real review of this game from you.
5 years for a step in the right direction
@@00Sabersolos better late than never
@@00Sabersolos WAIT you're telling me a good game TAKES TIME??? I can't believe this!1!
Anything that isn't Adventure 3 is a step in the wrong direction.
My guess for why the "spooky sky voice" only spoke to Sonic and not the others trapped in Cyber Space is that Sonic being able to actually escape after ending up there, something previously considered impossible, made the voice fixate on him for further observation and investment.
36:52 While I definitely agree that they could have fleshed this out much better (and with a more fitting final boss fight), I read that The End's appearance varies from person to person depending on what they perceive death to look like (according to Kishimoto), and as a result we never see its true form. Now I don't quite know why Sage or Sonic think of the moon as death (unless it's just what the player is supposed to see, while Sage/Sonic see something different) but I sorta thought of it as one of those things you don't really think too hard about. I feel like The End is meant to be quite literally "the end" instead of some super god; rather, it's just death incarnate.
Can't really speak on Sage... but with Sonic, I'd like to think it's because of a mix of:
- Space Colony Ark; it was moon-like in appearance before Eggman activated it, and he used the Eclipse canon to destroy the actual moon itself
- Dark Gaia, whose powers were more effective on people (including Sonic) at night
Like maybe it's less "he sees the moon itself as death" and more "he associates it with death because some of the deadliest things he's fought were."
Course this is entirely headcanoning. But it *is* fun food-for-thought.
@@izzy1356
That makes a lot of sense!
I think maybe the Death Egg could also be a part of it? We don't really know what's going on inside of Sonic's head during the classic games, but the Death Egg definitely felt like a looming threat over the course of S3&K.
It's all pretty open-ended and up to interpretation and I can always appreciate that in a game. :)
To quote a certain Atlus property...
"You cannot escape death. To live is to die; they are one and the same."
So… to quote Puss in Boots; The Last Wish..
“I’m death. And I don’t mean that Metaphorically, or rhetorically, or Poetically, or Theoretically or in any other fancy way. I’m Death, Straight Up.”
honestly one small idea that i had for the end's updated fight could be you playing as super sonic flying through space whilst dodging asteroids that are fired from the end planetoid thing, similar to the wyvern fight where you have to dodge the missiles. and there'd be a phase where you ride over the surface on the end destroying certain bits of it like the dark gaia fight all while the four titans fight alongside you. probably ain't that great of an idea but it's a small thought i had lol
15:02 it's so bizarre seeing Knuckles have good dialogue again to a point where you wordlessly agreed with him
Anyone else get these messages in their TH-cam inboxes and perk up in split-second belief it's the actual content creator before realizing you got hit with this tired bot scam instead? Sigh (to be clear I wasn't anticipating any response from Charriii5 lol, I'm bemoaning the existence of these bots only)
To add a comment of worthwhile content, I plan to get Sonic Frontiers next month! I look forward to it greatly even knowing it's got some issues to be ironed out, this is the most excited I've been for a Sonic game since Generations
@@hazeldetov I do. I hate them
@@hazeldetov the bot couldn’t even say claim right lol
@@The_Hollow I didn't even see that lmao, that's hilarious
@YousefSonic I'm sure it's a combination of everything you said, I'm not about to click any links to find out though. It sucks I can't really comment anywhere without pest bots breathing down my neck
Props to Eggman's VA, those audio logs are great to listen to
"I never met my cousin Maria"
His voice is just so good
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@@sakuradabp6400 love that one so much. As far as I know, we haven’t really gotten to know Eggman’s relationship with Maria, and it was nice to see them acknowledging it. And the way Pollock delivers it is just 👌
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I love how when he started this series, it was meant almost to mock cinema sins but now its just him politely critiquing things about the game
He still counts his jokes as sins and he misses basic lore stuff
@@ddlcfan2763just like cinemasins
@@TokyoDrift456 yeah
13:16 I assume Knuckles doesn't live his life because Knuckles goes back to tending the Master Emerald as a job between adventures. And many of his collaborations with Sonic revolve around stopping Eggman, which is just an extension of his job of protecting the Master Emerald, since it's on Eggman's radar.
One thing is that Amy's Tarot Card readings are also referenced in Chronicles.
One of her skills is Tarot Draw.
He said technically 4 before Frontiers so that includes Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
@@aozorahaou2643 I think he said technically since you could count Smash 3DS and Wii U as different games.
@@aozorahaou2643 It is unsafe to say that name. You never know where Ken Penders might be...
I believe there is also mention of Amy's tarot card reading in sonic battle for the gba.
we don't talk about that one
38:56 This part made me laugh the most. They finally got it right, and I love how Charriii got so excited for it
I'm confused can you explain it?
What was it that Chariii shouted about?
@@ameliawalker1046 In previous everything wrong withs, Charriii sinned the fact that Marta Lois Gonzáles (a staff member of Sega Europe) didn't have an accent in the last name whenever credits role. But they finally spelled it right in this game.
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
Sorry to sound ignorant, but I didn't get what he said, and it was just the credits.
16:46 I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who was kind of freaked out by that.
Also, in terms of the ending, they ran out of budget for the last islands and the main boss fight. This was the best they could do 😔
You HAVE to do a everything right with this one. This game against all odds just course corrected so many things about this franchise so suddenly, it deserves all the praise it can be given. Please charii 😫
13:25 I'm not sure we actually know how much time passes between the adventures Knuckles feels obligated to join in on, but I imagine right after it's done and over with, he heads straight back to Angel Island as he is duty bound. The point is that Sonic is free to come and go as he pleases ALL the time.
The irony is that Adventure 1 was supposed to RELIEVE Knuckles of that at least a little considering the Emerald shrine was supposed to have been restored with Chaos and Tikal helping to guard it according to the Super Sonic story ending pic. The Divergence animation does show the two of them still being around in spirit form, for what that's worth.
can't he shrink it down as he did in sa2.
So, we're just going to ignore the fact that, like, 90% of the games literally exist because Knuckles just... doesn't do his job, usually to go fuck around with Sonic.
I'm pretty sure that he has plenty of freedom. That freedom just comes at the price of dooming the world for 20 minutes until Sonic fixes it, while Knuckles stands there.
15:49 I always assumed the implication was that Knuckles _tried_ to punch the ruins but because he's still "ghosty" he phased through it and he thought it was just _that_ sturdy.
He's cooler in this game but he can still occasionally be a dolt is what I was thinking.
In a cutscene with Tails, he is shown knocking on a structure when inspecting it. You even hear his hand connect with the stone, so they can touch some things when digitized.
@@jaytd9393 Well...shit, then.
11:20 I believe that this location specifically was pulled from Tails' memory, as he was flying over this level in SA2 in a cutscene iirc
37:11 I always interpreted it as a manifestation of death itself. It literally says "The end comes for us all" and it destroys all in its path. It's like a black hole in that sense. Destruction is just it what it does.
18:30 I WISH I heard more of sonics voicelines, it would've been so nice to hear him say things about his environment and friends while playing through the game rather than have to wait an hour for him to just to say one line
The Sonamy fan wanted to hear the Sonamy line.
@@gorade1901 I DID WANT TO DAMNIT
Facts, I would have loved to hear him talk about old levels and places and stuff! I think the only ones I got in my playthrogh were the Mystic Ruins one and the one about Omega, and even JUST the Mystic Ruins one got me nerding out lol
@@eightee7635 someone by the name of Benn commented saying that there's a timer where sonic speaks after 10 minutes but the timer resets after you go into combat. that makes it pretty difficult and rare to hear sonic say anything at all, I wonder why they made the timer reset after, I wanna hear sonic SPEAK 😭
@@gorade1901 I wanted to hear it.
I didn’t even know you could use the birds to cross the islands. I only learned of it AFTER I already completed the island.
Yeah, i thought you had to get the other emeralds to get there
I had a feeling you could do that but I never really tried it since they still descend and even then you still find other ways to get to the other parts of chaos island anyway.
@@SharpestSniper99 yeah, that happened to me too. I got up, the bird crashed, I figured it was the way to kill it and nothing else. Got the 2nd and 3rd emeralds, creating rails to the first one and didn't think of it till now
Yea same lol. It took me a minute to find out I could turn them.
…what
9:05 well that's because at one point in time Kronos was going to be as big as Ares and Chaos but due to time constrain it got cut down into 3 separate islands. Which I find it really weird.
This game's biggest sin is that it presented itself as an answer to a lot of the questions in the sonic universe, but ended up creating SO MANY MORE.
My biggest question that nobody brings up is why the phantom ruby and its affects look so similar to the ancients tech.
I was so confident that this game would expand upon the phantom ruby's lore, but now I'm just wondering why they look so similar.
12:30 the reason is that wyvern moves so fast and all of the things on its body are casting a shadow which makes it look buggy. If you slow down the footage, you can kinda see it.
Yeah the Wyvern has lots of spines which all cast a shadow and for some reason the sunlight in this game doesnt scroll smoothly and instead uses 1 frame to move a certain distance that is very noticeable when you see a shadow on the ground
you don't even have to slow the footage down, you can see the wyvern's shadow heading for sonic on the rocks behind him.
It's also because of the distance of the Wyvern in comparison to the group. Shadows tend to look larger depending on how close or far it is, and the legs of the Wyvern make the shadow look jagged and off because of the lesser detail of the shadow
Sage has to be a permanent part of the series. She added depth to Eggman. Old Eggy felt love for the first time in his life. He called her his daughter.
Now my main criticism, we were learning about the origin of the Chaos Emeralds. The Ancients are clearly the same species as Chaos but no one mentions him. I assume Chaos was one of the survivors that fled to what would become Angel Island. But no one acknowledges it when they’re already making references to past games. The only acknowledgement is in a completely option recording from Eggman’s diary. And that’s still something that should be acknowledged in the story.
And the final boss is so… weird. I understand it’s “The End” the end of the world incarnate. But wtf is it? Why was it after the Ancients? Was it drawn by the Emeralds? What’s up with the Master Emerald? They just found it. So what’s the deal, are we learning the origin of the Emeralds or not? I need answers dammit!
There could have been an awesome Easter egg with a lone koco somewhere on the last island speaking of memories of a group of ancients making a shrine for 'the large emerald" that draged them all to earth as part of the small group that left when the end destroyed everyone, blacking out and then waking up on the Starfall islands saying something like " I feel like I'm not really here" and we figure out it's a cyber space memory upload of who chaos once was before losing the koco . The koco could.remember losing it's sentience for a bit explaining why chaos can't even talk in the ancient language by devolving into a guard dog for the master emerald. Gosh I'm actually a bit upset they didn't expand on chaos at all given what this game revealed. Still hits top 3 Sonic games though.
Isn't the lore that Chaos is a Chao that became mutant from its connection to the master emerald? So isn't the implication that the Ancients ARE the Chao?
We actually fight The End only in Hard Mode apparently (I played Normal Mode I think) but Sonic beats it in a cutscene, which left me even more disappointed of the ending.
@@Jann75 I think that was outright stated or atleast it’s obviously suggested anyone who is capable of thinking otherwise makes me baffled
The lack of information on the End is honestly kind of the point though? The End is supposed to be an entity with an Eldritch presence and so little knowledge being given is what makes it imposing. Like Dark Matter from Kirby.
9:10 I think it might be a similar situation to the real life case of Lewis and Harris, a single large island that is treated as two clearly separate ones by the locals.
And the bit with Knuckles "punching" the satellite dish could've been a case of him just forgetting about his transparency.
I really loved the relationship between sage and eggman, it made me shed a few tears, when sage semi died at the end and eggman being alone at the cliffs
The "excuse me?! Someone?! You left your sassy child up on this tower!" had me laughing.
Edit: Charri being so happy over an accent, just the genuine reaction, was the funniest thing in this video. But, for real, can people keep accenting things rather than forgetting.
"Instead of being an intimidating villan, she is JUST vibin!"
Eggman can you pick your child up. Okay now I can’t stop thinking about him accidentally loosing her in a store.
@@shadowking278 When you said can you pick your child up, I was think pick her up from her nonexistent school like some kid in trouble after having a conference with the principal for her sassy behavior
Dr. EGGMAAN, your child is at the main entrance, please pick up your child from the Main Entrance, thank you.
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36:26 These descriptions make all of these bosses sound even cooler than they already are.
19:06 Tangle was actually mentioned as a reference to the IDW Comics, which are now canon to the games because Ian Flynn, the writer for the IDW Comics, now creates the stories of the new sonic games for Sonic Team
That is not true. The stories are not created by him, he just writes the scripts. In fact, the Japanese dubs remove a lot of the references Ian uses.
I gotta say, I'm loving the callbacks this game is doing. It's done in such a way that makes me want more.
@@SolusAstorias.. Nice scam.
Really? You don't find it at all distracting and intrusive?
@@atre5763 not really. It doesn't feel like it's too much to me
The fact that the Cyber Corruption arc went nowhere when we could have gotten a new form or a boss where we play as Knuckles, Tails, and Amy is just…
That would've been nice
“What, you want Tails, Amy, and Knuckles to actually get to DO something useful like in the old games and want to be able to play as them again?! TOO BAD, HAVE THEM BE JUST PUT ON THE SIDELINES ONCE AGAIN AND ONLY HOLD HANDS AND CHEER FOR SONIC JUST LIKE IN GENERATIONS! REMEMBER ONLY SONIC IS ALLOWED TO BE COOL OR DO COOL THINGS NOWADAYS! ~ Sega
@@Rediscool9 Easily more than the past games, thats for free.
@@Rediscool9 you haven't actually played the game or if you have you clearly forgot the conversation in the game between sonic and tails that rectified his bitch made interpretation in sonic forces and actually gave a decent message about still needing help as that's just part of growing up
I mean when they just put a hand on his shoulder i like get the message? Like to accept help from others or whateva??? Idk but like
Sonic went through so much pain to help his friends he could barely stand and actually helped them with effort
What did his friends do? Just basically put their hands on his shoulder and boom, he's saved
I LOVE the game and it's dialogue is amazing but this could been more
26:54 that is a chihuahua
24:02 is my favorite
"I'm trying to save you, DAD"
You went through a long journey just to get to this point, you played through every single sonic game, (even ‘06 and Boom) And it’s all come down to this moment!
Dang I Usually See You On Sus Videos.
@@adamkean2243 and you’re there…. why
@@apersoniguess_ uh uhm uh uh Uhm uh uh Uhm uh uh Uhm uh uh uh
It all came down to this!
This is THE ULTIMATE BATTLE!
here's a galaga ship fight the moon lmao
@@adamkean2243 kinda backed yourself into a corner there...
19:21 Tangle also appears in the IDW comics Ian Flynn writes I believe, and these are technically a continuation right after Forces.
He knows that, the idw comics aren't canon to the games so sonic shouldn't know who tangle is.
@@sb6196 I think he means that Ian Flynn and Sonic Team are trying to imply that IDW canon and the games are gonna be one universe, making the idw comics canon and giving them opportunity to add the idw characters into the games themselves, since they have full ownership over the comics this time
@@NoahInfinity That is such a bad idea man...
@@Doobie-kx8fk how? If anything it's a good thing to unify the universes despite the contradictions. Lets comic characters appear in the shows and games, keeps the lore consistent, etc
@@NoahInfinity I don't think there's an issue with characters from different medias appearing in others ones. The video already mentions that Tangle was literally in a mobile game. I just think the unification of continuity is just gonna lead a bunch of confusion. Like if we're to assume Boom is canon thanks to Amy mentioning Sticks, then when did Boom happen? Why did Sonic and the team along with Robotnik stay on island for an undefined amount of time? What does this mean for Lyric's race that is also known as a highly advanced civilization called the Ancients?
You can't just slap everything together, not elaborate, call it a day, and expect me to just sit there thinking it'll make sense when it very clearly doesn't.
26:59 It took me an hour to beat that damn pinball mini game, near the end I was about ready to drop kick a Kuko
I got it on my first try
1:55 Giganto Jumpscare
9:10 Rhea and Ouranos Islands are on the same landmass as Kronos
16:00 Why I like The Wyvern Fight
19:10 - I would like to point out that the writer for Sonic Frontiers, Ian Flynn, who is also the head writer for the IDW Sonic comics, has stated that the open world dialogue snippets are where he had the most freedom in regards to the writing.
Bear in mind, the English script was done by Flynn, but the story itself is Sonic Team. Why do I say this? Because the open world dialogue is mostly fluff; It's largely not relevant to the plot.
That makes sense.
Regarding the “died out in a generation” thing. Eggman is referencing how the group on the islands themselves died off, not the entire species in general. Some of them fled and created Angel Island/became the chao we know. Just that group that stayed behind on the islands specifically died off and it was because of the battle with The End as depicted through the Titan’s memories.
On the other hand, I LOVE how you made that connection about Light vs Darkness being a HUGE motif on this world with Light Gaia vs Dark Gaia in relation to the hero/dark chao. It really puts it all into a new perspective knowing all the games take place on one distinct planet now.
And as for The End….I understand the criticism despite loving how unique, rhythmic, and challenging the gameplay was. I wish there was another boss fight to top it off, like a true final form or something where we fought in hand to hand combat as Super Sonic one final time. However, I fully believe that there is a plan for a sequel or a game that at least continues the story. I FULLY believe that this is a Kirby-style story where The End will evolve and be this unraveling mystery over the course of so many games. I FULLY believe that is the intent at least, so until I get confirmation otherwise, I will hold out on hating The End’s concept as a boss. I believe the moon was simply a cacoon of sorts and the real god will be unleashed. It says in its dialogue that it was sealed in an alternate reality because of how powerful it is and that makes me believe the TRUE form is still sealed away and the voice simply possessed the moon to try and win this battle. And that is its motivation at least: to snuff out that same hope that trapped it in the first place. And as for Sonic speaking to multiple titans, I completely see your point, but I believe he was speaking to the spirits flowing through the titans. We know this from the visions after each boss.
Well this just says what I wanted to express, good job.
Hell, considering The End's line of "they were finite, I am infinite," I'm of the mind it created the original Phantom Ruby.
Sadly the only thing I can offer is a Counterpoint: The End is not possessing the Moon as you can see it in the background at about 37:17, 37:43,and 37:47. Incidentally the moon should not be whole because half of it was shot off in Adventure 2 but, eh. Semantics.
considering some of The End's lines say that this isn't even it's true form or that even defeating him won't really get rid of him forever, I would be shocked if they never bring it up
I wonder if this might be what happens in the dlc story
10:30 I think the whole “wiped out in a generation” thing is referring to the ancients that stayed behind on the islands. The end only attacked the islands, and in that same memo it mentions the resulting environmental changes that happened as a result. My guess is that the ancients that escaped either thought the soldiers were killed along with the End, or the soldiers killed the End but so much damage was done that they had to rebuild before anyone could come back to the islands. Either way the ancients that left DEFINITELY became the Chao.
16:00 So long, Gay Bowser!
You know after watching the marathon Tails forgot to mention Tails' Adventure and Sky Patrol...
Those games aren't canon.
@@sonicstar917 The Twitter says everything is canon
@@gorade1901 so Sonic shuffle and sonic chronicles are canon?
@@thatdude7793 Chronicles isn't because of a lawsuit I think, Ken Penders and the Echidna that appears in the games is currently owned by him which id the worst thing ever
@@Justcallmeaqua420 sonic the fighters
Charriii is the entire reason that accent is there. Until we hear otherwise, you can't say I'm wrong.
Speaking of, nice to see you still fulfilling your pfp related burden to Charriii.
@@Jann75 At first, it was a meme. But I've grown to love it, and don't see myself ever changing it lmao.
For me, the final boss was a big letdown in my opinion as well. But I really hope that the reason it was like that was because they just didn’t have enough time to completely put all that they wanted to, and with the free dlc coming soon with new story and characters they finally get the chance to give us a final boss worthy of the rest of the game
This was such a fun game to play through, and the marathon leading up to it was just as good. Can’t wait for the tier list!
I think I was so exhausted of mediocre sonic games that finally having a FUN AND GOOD sonic game was almost alien to me. Your criticism of The End was so perfect and really voiced my exact feeling towards it. I wish it was done better but at the time I didn't care. The music, the ikaruga, and the general memory and fun I had of the game carried me through. Also I am sad you didn't remove sins for the BANGING SUPER SONIC FIGHTS
The End was disappointing compared to the previous Super Sonic bosses but I still think it was a cool sequence.
@@JaidynReiman my nose is dry
@@JaidynReiman yea same.
Totally needed sins taken off for the super sonic fights. Those were awesome
@@JaidynReiman to be fair, The End is technically an optional boss.
39:30
My best guess is that the zap symbol represents cyberspace, a borderline alternate dimension that the souls of the ancients can live in or at least exist in, so I’m thinking that in the post-post credit scene eggman is uploading Sage’s AI or personality into cyberspace so she can “live on” since it’s been clarified that cyberspace contains the ancients’ hopes, dreams and personalities, I can only assume that’s what Eggman is doing here
Yeah, it was almost certainly the symbol for Cyberspace. My personal headcanon wasn't that Eggman uploaded a copy of Sage to Cyberspace, rather that he recovered her from it. Think about it, Cyberspace was described was a way that the Ancients could upload essentially their souls for safekeeping and to keep a record. With all the time Sage spent in Cyberspace, mastering control over it, there's a chance she could have been salvaged from the code
I heard that it meant Peace, since it shows up when you give the ancients peace, and sage doing her 'function' was probably a peaceful death so the symbol got attached to her coding somehow, thus why it shows up when she comes back online. Other than that idk what it means
12:40 Not sure if anyone else said this, but that was probably the Wyvern
So remember when you said the lighting engine was bugging? It wasn't. If you look up, you'll see that the wyvern boss fight just circles the island endlessly until you fight it. It was casting the ominous shadow of your next big foe, but the intimidation factor didn't give the same energy sometimes.
12:30 in this cutscene, Wyvern is flying overhead. its body is very segmented so light is flashing through the gaps in the spikes on its sides.
17:40 I love the fact you and Nathaniel Bandy both did this and complained about it when there's a really cool underground area to get to one of the islands and a rail system that leads to the others and in fact did a weird sort of "skip" instead
They were a bit hidden but both places are a lot of fun to run through to get to the islands and much easier than flying the bird around (and also fit more in with the rest of the game than randomly flying an enemy to a new spot)
Yea, i never used the Eagle to get anywhere, i used the rails and the underground tunnels
I used the Eagle out of random curiosity to see if it would work XD I honestly did not expect the plan to succeed at all actually.. but low and behold it actually did.
To clarify on where that shadow came from (12:29), the Wyvern is flying around Ares Island until you beat it. It's possible that it was just flying above you while this cutscene occured
12:45 that's the shadow of the flying titan zooming over you
Speaking of the Eagle enemies on Chaos Island, I found a hilarious bug. I managed to unlock both the dark blue and red Chaos Emeralds at once and decided to go for the red first instead of dark blue. After I got the red one, the cutscene where the Knight played through, but since the devs thought you’d go to the dark blue emerald first, I loaded into the dark blue emerald shrine, while the emerald was still in the vault😆
Happened to me, too! I found Big's fishing spot before I got a chaos emerald, and incidentally purchased a bunch of vault keys cuz "eh, why not" and unlocked everything early (again. fishing is totally busted). Went after yellow and was surprised to see I was sent to blue's island.
I had an almost identical situation, I got one earlier since I've done some Cyberspace stages and got enough vailt keys to have 3 emeralds unlocked, I got the Yellow one (if I rememebr correctly) first and the game teleported me to the blue one for the Knight encounter next to the Blue emerald lmao
Overall I absolutely enjoyed Sonic Frontiers but I can acknowledge it’s flaws such as leveling one point of Speed/Ring capacity with the Hermit Koco dunno how they screwed that up when they got leveling Strength and Defense right to the point, Cyberspace not being as fun as it could be and only having 4 level themes, however the music makes up for it, fighting certain mini bosses can be janky too like running up Asura, grinding on the rails fighting Strider and getting blocked by its legs as you grind.
I’d also remove a Sin for the Knight Fight where Super Sonic wields it’s sword against it which is like 50 times the size of him and slices it, Final Fantasy Sonic X was easily the best reference and I hope they lean into more things like that.
I’m also gonna add a Sin for Sonic not giving a single care about Sage sacrificing herself and Sonic having talk to Eggman about it and telling him what she told him, and Eggman saying “this doesn’t change anything, we are still arch enemies.”
The Knight slicing in half could also be a potential nod to Metal Gear Rising in a sense, because of Metal Gear Ray.
It could also be a reference to Excalibur sonic.
I mean the theme name is literally "Find your Flame"
"Through the Fire" anyone?
@@SonnieCelanna If you mean
“Through the Fire and Flames” then yes!🔥
Everything great about sonic frontiers
.....Lighting engine? That's Wyvern! 12:30
Also, you're not supposed to used the eagle, there's some rails you have to find but it takes FOREVER because Chaos Island is so hard to navigate and you can use the eagle but it's not intended. 17:32
Also also, you did really well with this video. I just wanted to point that out. You're totally underrated.
This egg memo lore is CRAZY!
You should definately do an "everything I love about" on this game.
He most likely will
Honestly I’m really sick of the “everything I love about” and rather he not do any more of them.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 You're on the minority so he's going to do it anyway
@@gukeoke6312 Yeah, Sure.......
It's sad that things had to be cut even though they had 5 years to develop Frontiers
The 60 man team explains that but damn is it unfortunate!
I hope the story of Frontiers can be built upon in the future
Honestly, my problem is Sonic Team seeing that they had problems in Forces, and some higher ups response was to increase the scope. How unpredictable that a lot more ideas seem poorly fleshed out, the games are starting to get glitchier and even the developers are starting to publically complain about time crunch...
@@Jann75 Well to be fair, Forces only had ~1 year of dev time (Hedgehog Engine 2 being the bulk of the gap between games) while Frontiers had 4 or 5 (I believe they said active development started in 2018). I also *think* Iizuka had said that Open Zone was his idea? Not 100% sure on that one, but either way I'd say the issue was definitely the size/budget of Sonic Team and not the scope of the project necessarily. Iizuka did have to practically beg corporate for an extra year to work on the game though, so I'm not trying to say that the higher ups are blameless in this.
@@NamekianG I think another thing to take into account is how COVID affected the dev cycle for this game.
@@DarktheEagle Yeah that's a good point too
@@NamekianG Touche. Absolutely great point.
3:10 the classic that always got me laughing.
0:10 No copyright law in the universe is going to stop me. Silver: IT'S FAIR USE, TAKE THIS IT'S FAIR USE.😂
I do find Sage sad moment hilarious cause it is just cutscenes we've ready seen so it truly doesn't feel that sad just pity really. I feel it may have been better if they showed Eggman slowly making sage stage by stage. Watching her learn how to hack watching her learn about herself maybe sweet moments between her and Eggman that would've really made it better. Show us a emotional side of Eggman how he slowly growing to enjoy Sage company and how Sage love grows for Eggman.
For me, the part where it really fell flat was that her flashbacks were cutscenes I'd literally just watched a minute or so beforehand, rather than from over the course of the game.
1:53 this had no business making me laugh that long
scared me at first
If they ever make a sequel I hope they fix up the problems because I love frontiers it a great step for sonic
25:40 because you need to watch sonic DANCE!!
1:59 I love how he actually animated the in-game text
4:54 And also in Sonic Chronicles : The Dark Brotherhood, one of Amy's special attacks is to read a tarot card to an enemy
5:12 - You missed Sonic Battle. One of Amy’s introductory scenes, back during her annoying fangirl days, was her chasing Sonic while ranting about how she was guided to him, as in that specific place at that specific time, by a card reading.
3:09 IS PEAK FICTION!
4:58 Make that four, technically five. Sonic Chronicles actually has tarot card readings as one of Amy's special attacks.
8:15 It'd make sense that the fishing pond isn't actually a pond and more so a data reservoir. That's why you're capable of catching all sorts of random things, and because Cyberspace takes in all data wherever it can, it'd make sense that it'd get a recording of Eggman's memos made within it.
12:29 That's not the lighting bugging out. That's the Wyvern's sections as a shadow flickering over the area.
17:48 While utterly ingenious, I've *never* had to do that in the game. I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of solving the map revealing puzzles to get level geometry to spawn in.
Sorry for nitpicking! Just some things that stuck out to me. It's nice to finally have this after waiting for so long.
True, however, "Sonic Chronicles" is non-canon, SEGA confirmed this.
23:48 Eggman didn't just get locked up then state the obvious, he also played the role in leading the characters there (he was on the phone to team chaotix the whole time)
@@SolusAstorias.. we live in a society we're people like you exist and can't say the word "claim" correctly.
your point was so undisprovable that whoever replied is nowhere to be seen
@@dawidek8237 I banished reply 1 to the shadow realm
1:55 The way Giganto just pops up on screen out of nowhere somehow made me jump.
17:02 Has the same vibe as "Oh brother this guy STINKS!"
12:32 Wyvern is constantly flying around world 2. It’s just his shadow streaking across really fast; like a plane as it flies overhead
That remark about how the Ancients and Babylonians could land on Earth/Mobius while the Black Arms needed the Chaos Emeralds break through the atmosphere feels like something that would come up between Shadow and Jet if they went to the Starfall Islands.
The End is just those meteors from that Dinosaur episode of Rick and Morty though
Also I wouldn't mind seeing at least Tails use his Boom design the next time we see him.
And imagine if Sage roasted Infinite.
32:20 that gave me Gabriel vibes "Machine, turn back now... the layers of this palace are not for your kind"
0:58 Guys, the sky is talking to me!
12:38 the shadow was cast by wyvern, its constantly projected in the area
I haven't played Frontiers yet, but I do really enjoy what I've seen of it, it feels really well done.
Also, you can tell Ian Flynn wrote it. Anyone who's read the Zombot Arc in the IDW comics will know exactly what I mean. Sonic's cyber corruption specifically reminded me of that IDW arc. If you know, you know lol.
Fix the remove sin counter, the sins keep coming back.
Your a mad man Marathoning every Sonic game even the spin-off and just in time to play the new one and do a Everything Wrong with to top it off. I think that deserves a break.
16:08 The last time we saw Super Knuckles was 5 years ago. In Sonic Mania.
Honestly, the writing for these characters is really good. They improved on that.
Also, I kept saying Touhou when I reached that part.
33:59 Aren't we all glad that final horizons fixed this major issue?
37:17
My thing is, it wants destruction for destructions sake. It did say it wanted to bring order to the universe through destruction. It gives me Galactus/Solus(marvel) vibes. It's just its purpose.
I also had the idea that when sage said "It's going into space to achieve its true form" that the "moon" we see was its hatchling state. If we didnt beat it in time, it's true form Wouldve emerged, and THAT'S what super sonic couldnt beat.
Dark Gaia tho.
A theory doesn’t make it better
@@gamercentral2417
The issue with ur logic is its less of a theory and more of a confirmed statement.
The end does literally state
"All the teeming of life, brought to order, to neutrality, to nothing"
Its goal is order through destruction.
@@chriss.249 confirmed? Who even confirmed ot
@@gamercentral2417
You claimed what I said was a theory
How is it a theory when the end literally states it wants to bring all things to order/neutrality?
Although I did find the final boss a bit underwhelming. I do think the game is setting up some stuff for us down the years to come. Every character now has their own journey to take in a future title.
Tails going off to be his own hero.
Amy going to spread her love and care across the world.
Knuckles deciding to finally start living off his lonely island.
Add in the still unknown understanding of ZAP along with Sage returning, specifically with that symbol. Plus add in the dialogue of The End straight up saying that the underdeveloped form we defeated it in is just one of many, along with saying it comes for all. I really don't think we've seen the end of The End. Maybe we'll get a proper boss fight with it. Cause despite it's problem I arguably see it as a step up from everything we've faced. It's not a machine or another god, but a literal manifestation of NOTHING. It's a cosmic horror that even in it's own monologue mentions it'll bring order to that of the chaos that is life and everything through it's destruction. In the grand scheme of things. Does a cosmic abomination that consumes everything to nothing really need that complex of a reason to just consume.
"Does a cosmic abomination that consumes everything to nothing really need that complex of a reason to just consume."
YES THIS. That'd be like criticizing Mephiles for doing the same thing, Eldritch Abominations have never really needed concrete motivations to destroy things.
17:24 I love how the Koko just show up here and like... cheer for you being inside the structure. I guess they love a good show
The Koco just spawn in when Sonic is standing still for long enough. I guess he assumes he's gonna be in the same place for a while so he takes them out of his interdimensonal pocket to let them play a bit
@@SpagettiSpeltWrong "His interdimensonal pocket"? Do you mean his ass?
24:49 No Tails, you’re NOT wildly inconsistent. SEGA is
Seriously SEGA stop making Tails a coward!
And canonically confirm his color! Too many people are torn between orange and yellow!
27:43
Apparently now the chaos emralds scatter like the dragonballs after every use
So just him powering down is why they left