Fixing an Air Leak on a Tire Bead
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 เม.ย. 2019
- This can happen occasionally when dealing with lower profile tires. I was losing about 10 pounds of air every night on one of my newly mounted Michelins. I took it to my local Discount Tire to see what the issue was.
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It really is a shame we have to go thru this kind of process just to get something taken care of without damage. Glad I'm not alone!
15:45 My exact thoughts. It’s truly hard to find a business that will work with your desires, after working at a dealership for so many of my young years- I understand that the advisors/phonemen will often hear out the pitch about craziness, but write it off and hope for the best. The message of “don’t screw these up” often doesn’t even reach the technician, and 99% of the time they don’t even know how to perform the service with the delicacy to keep our desires in mind. Always a blessing to find someone who understands and delivers to your requests, even better when you’re capable of doing them yourself and have access to the necessary tools.
Wish there were more crazy car guys like you. Your obsession with details increases your fans needs for more content. Your channel will balloon to over a million when more people learn about it.
I am lucky to have a very meticulous shop near me as well. I did the same thing the first time I went there, telling them I am ok with paying more for excellence. Come to find out they were not only great but reasonably priced. I threw them a large tip to get "lunch" for the shop. Now they remember me whenever I go.
a beer for "after work" works too ;)
Old Town Road bumpin' in the background!
Need to get in touch with Finnigans tire guy. Would be a great guest for an episode. 100% OG level service. Finnigans Garage episode 67.
Was about to comment the same thing
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Was thinking the same thing
Dude...! I need that in my life.
Just an item of note. New tires will have either a red circle or a yellow circle on the sidewall. Sometimes both. The circles are installed at the factory. Red denotes the highest or widest part of the tire. The yellow dot is the lightest part of the tire. These marks are clocked either at the TPMS for yellow or opposite of the TPMS is red. This aids in reducing the amount of weights needed to balance the wheel/tire.
New Michelin's don't come with the red dot now unfortunately
Or yellow dot. But it’s because they are the best. No need for it. Should only need 1 oz to balance no matter where it is mounted
Discount tire has always been great to me the past 12yrs of my car life lol. They really do take care of your wheels. That tech you got is pretty cool.
I’ve only put 2 tires on 2 different wheels back in college, wish I could install my own tires & balance them since i also have a trust issues with tire shops 😐
I learned 80,000 years ago (approx.) when I worked at a Dealership that the customer who tells the service advisor "When the Tech does this service: Please mind this specific *whatever* " that it doesn't always mean you're dealing with some weirdo who doesn't understand. A Good Service Advisor getting that message to the Tech (other than just on the RO) helps massively. re: the scratching inside of the rim ordeal.
Nice to see the level of care in doing this tire leak fix. Where I live in Ontario, Canada, it is inevitable corrosion from winter driving will eventually cause an air leak around the bead betwenn tire and rim.
The two local Discount tire locations near me in Acworth and Kennesaw have always been great to me. Multiple sets of wheels on multiple cars and always great service.
Hi Matt! Wanna thank you for letting us come with you to fix your tires! It seems something similar of a problem on the right front tire of my 2017 GTI Clubsport MK7. Theres some air dropping, but they say swappping the valve should solve it. I read your profile here & i must say it must be hard having to go through watching other people deal with your stuff when you have OCD (iv got aspergers myself) Anyhow, they main thing is you got it fixed in a decent way, so you can move on later. Just wanted to say Hi & Thanks for your videos! /Joseph (aka 3DFX) from Sweden :)
the wheel cleaner on the balancer that they use is basically watered down isopropanol alcohol so it would strip that coating off pretty easily with a little elbow grease. worked there for 4 years and did my fair share of stupid expensive wheels. that tech shouldn’t have been using a metal knife to remove those weights though. sooo much damage has been done by those knifes. also, he took black weights off so why didn’t he put back weights back on... it’s the little things that matter. other than that, he did an okay job
That sticker wasn't the culprit(leak was below the Michelin branding). The side of the bead isn't even what holds majority of the the air, it should have just been bead sealed as it looks like the wheel(what people call a rim) is slightly bent.
I don't know how you feel about your OCD or what challenges you face, but I really appreciate it. Your place and car look amazing.
Nice video! BTW- where did you get those studs for use when removing the rim and not damage the wheel from bouncing on the caliper?
Great service there... a very careful tyre swap... although im surprised you didnt got nuts when he put on silver weights! I've just spent some time swapping all the silver ones for black ones on my M2 rims before coating!
Wish I knew a tire guy as careful as this one. 😄 Great video, thanks to OG and the workshop who let you record. Looking forward to that Wash'n'Talk.
He paid 200 buck!!!
@@RCFunTime So I heard. You still got to find one that cares a this much about the profession though.
Already looking forward to that wash&talk
I wondered about that sticker on the tyre bead. I always peel them off so it doesn't leak air. My OCD seems to have done me a favour this time.
What a knowledgable guy.
Hey Matt - good on you for taking care of these guys. A few shops wouldn't even mount my PS4s to my HREs because of "liability" no matter how much money I wanted to leave inside the tire LOL. That said, I think you have HUF TPMS based on what I could see but if they are VDO, the guys at TPMS.com told me that HREs don't work well with the VDO sensors and to use the HUF. Good vid as always and thanks for always getting my OG orders out quick!
This actually helped me😂😂 thanks bro 😂
Very interesting video. Keeping it for reference.
I bring my own socket freshly wrapped in electrical tape when I go to get mine done. Yes, I get strange looks, but I also get scratch free wheels. 👍. I literally was stressin’ the entire time the wheel was on that machine.
thanks for the video my pilot 4s did the same thing and was freaking out
I thought they were going to use a touchless center mount machine. I'm glad you had success with a standard rim clamp turntable.
I bought brand new wheels and mounted new tires on them. 2 out of the 4 leaked from the bead just like yours. I was so frustrated. I actually inflated the tires to max PSI, which was 50 and drove around on a short drive. I then deflated tires to normal pressure, 30 psi. Well the tires haven’t leaked since so I guess the reseated themselves on the bead. Idk.
from my experience as a tractor trailer mechanic and well over a thousand tire changes. the brand of tire and the model can make a difference in the way the tire beads. the most picky tire I have dealt with is a Goodyear, a slight imperfection in the wheel can make a Goodyear not take to beading. Where as Michelin tires the wheel would have to be junk for it to not bead. Before I bead any wheel I always wipe the lip off that is facing outside. where I work we use a tire mounting compound that is a form of grease and tire soap and water to dismount. we deal with tire pressures ranging from 100 to 115 psi. I only had one tire blow out next to me in my 17 years and one suspension air bag. anyways awesome video.
Nice, informative video. Excellent job by the tire tech. Having the very picky (in a good way) owner not only watch, but video the process adds a whole different level of stress.
.... Did they use winter or summer air?
I literally had the same exact issue a few weeks ago. Had a Michelin with a slow bead leak. Took that dumb barcode sticker off and the leak was gone.
I am experiencing this now. Had my tires mount and balance and its leaking. Watched the whole video, and saw that bar code sticker. I saw that on mine too i have Michelins pilot sport 4s as well. I have to bring mine on Monday, thank you for this video and i hope it will be fix.
Btw, as you can remember, where the sticker is, that part is leaking?
Sticker is right on the bead. Pull it off before mounting.
Thanks for the reply. Appreciate the video in detailed.
Had it check and done pros a shop that repair wheels etc. dismount the tires and check everything.. still leaking they even remove the bar code sticker. Well i gues i need a new tire
What TPMS did you go with and did you have any problems with it communicating with the car?
I got them from Turner. I forget the brand. They worked instantly.
I have some older cheaper wheels that have the same issue. They all have brand new tires but 1 has a small leak like this one at the bead. I'ma pay like $10-$15 at a local tore shop. They have some minor curb rash already so I don't need to pay $200 to have that done. Just have that very small issue.
I just used this trick today but unfortunately it didn’t work. The guy was super careful, but something must have slipped because I got a 1” scratch on the face. Mistakes happen so I didn’t make an issue of it, but it just drives me nuts, especially on wheels that are 2 weeks old.
I LOVE the look of the new wheels but i could never leave the manufacturer's badge on them.Is it possible to put the BMW badges on them?
If you paid big $ for HRE's, you may want to keep the center caps on them.....just sayin'.
Discount tire has had my business for over 12 years, and it’s for good reasons. Excellent service, and they do great work.
Replacing the tire can be tricky.
Didn't they have automatic tire mounting machine?
In my personal opinion. That is the only way to go, if dealing with low profile tires, and specially if they are getting mounted onto expensive wheels.
I used to work for discount tire we didn't use automatic changers because they are actually far more likely to scratch wheels in our experience. And mat is incorrect about the way the wheels are clamped it's four rubber or delrin covered hooks that grab around the bottom bead seat. Discount tire also will stand behind any damage they inflict and repair it at their own loss. The taping in the video of the clamps is improper aswell as how dirty this particular store is it would not have been up to the standards of management. I could go on but hopefully you get the idea
Any tire guy worth a shit won't hurt your wheels. You could use a $1M tire machine and if they guy doesn't know how to use or care it'll still dick up the wheels.
It probably ripped during the installation process. Those high end tires with the small aspect ratio are easy to rip when installing
Wish HRE wheels were more affordable. Looks so good.
I would've lost at least a nights sleep over that issue. I dread it when I have to get new tyres fitted. don't get me wrong, I love it when they are fitted and work done but trying to get them changed and explaining that I don't want ANY marks on my wheels gets me a couple of nights lost sleep.
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Where did you get those "pins"? I need a couple of those.
These are from Burger Motorsports.
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Thank you!
"There's your culprit" *points to sticker* "So what's the fix? new tyre?" haha. Mate I think you need to replace all 5 tyres including spare. Don't forget to replace the shocks and start again with new wheel alignment, balancing etc.
Bro, you think the exact same way as I do with the secret tricks - grease the palm, do as much of the work yourself like taking out the center cap, clean up the wheel to show you've done your part and you care. I try to do things all myself if I want it done right, but when it's out of my hands, it's all about the psychology tricks in life to get things done your way.
Also, after watching the technician, you'd think that mounting tires in this way should be standard operating procedure since they do this all day long. but I guess money talks and it helps to film the situation to get it done right.
Those lug pins are awesome! I use them in my shop. Gonna start doing some videos showing how important tools like that can be when detailing cars. Thanks for being my motivation Matt!
dude knows his shit
Discount Tire is the best!
The guy at the tire store was really great to work with you like that. I hope he got $100 too haha
Yep, palmed him $100 before we started. That always seem to work.
I think I would have to clean and ceramic coat the inside of the rim too. But then my OCD would make me have to do the rest of the rims. Totally not worth the risk of rim damage tho, lol.
lol! this is exactly why I got my own tire mounting and balancing machine.
must be nice, how long before those machines will pay for themselves?
@@Patrick94GSR depends how you look at it. For every wheel that doesn't get damaged by a "tire shop" or $50-$150 per friend/family/customer, 1-2x each, per year.
Either way it pays for itself in convenience but it does take up a good bit of space. Craigslist, eBay or Summit Racing the price range is around $1k-$30k but that doesn't include the necessary 40-60 gallon air compressor.
Time is money and I want my tires balanced and to stay balanced with little to no tire weights, ballanced with the valve on the DOT or brightest paint mark, no damage to rims, no over/under torquing the lugs, no tires getting crushed, no tire bead getting over streched, actually taking the temperature of the tires before install and no scratches on my cars from a bunch of kids lacking tool control.
For me, it technically paid for itself in a year and is easy to maintain. Not to mention I don't have to trust my life to some kids first tire change, that shit's priceless.
If you're particular about your tires, there's no other way outside of spending money that you could be using to get a rig together.
Only when I need a touchless machine is when I'll pay a bright eyed adult, otherwise I'm happy with my choice. You be surprised what you can get for $5k
I want one!
@@ObsessedGarage with how many cars you all have, it makes perfect sense :)
These guys need the corghi tire machine ... it's so much faster when you're trying to be careful and basically idiot proof. You can't mess up the wheels unless you're trying to lol
Even with the top dollar discount tire white glove treatment, Matt still didn’t want these guys jacking and pulling and re installing the wheel off the M3.
My local discount tire destroyed the barrels of all 4 of my custom painted wheels. To prep the surface before wheel weights they used a pneumatic wire wheel..
hope they bought new wheels. Did you explain beforehand about them being custom painted?
Oo man, those brakes looks amazing!
Aluminum rims are very bad about this because they Flex so much sometimes they can have problems like this
Off topic, but can we get an updated wash bucket package? With just two buckets instead of 3 and a clear bucket would be sweet.
I've heard that clear buckets are way more expensive, like as much as $40-50 just for one bucket by itself.
Patrick94GSR wow that’s expensive. I think something like Adams clear bucket would be good enough. It’s like $12 and looks really good. But I don’t want the Adams logo
@@hammertimee777 okay maybe I was a little off lol. There's one on Amazon with volume markings for around $29. Also this one on Autogeek appears to have no logos but also no measurement markings either, for $13. www.autogeek.net/clear-car-wash-bucket.html?channelid=BIZRA However knowing Matty, I bet those are 70- mil or thinner, as opposed to the 90-mil buckets that are in the bucket package.
Last tyres I got on the S5 he wrote NSF OSF in huge letters on the inside of the wheel in yellow crayon! Can you not just remember? Not as bad as another garage that used hammer on wheel weights on my 1.9 Peugeot 205 GTI wheels 🙄
Have you considered an E46 M3 for your next car?
I drove 30 min to a tire shop bc they are careful with wheels, road force balance and keep their hunter machines aligned each year.
I can feel for that tire tech. I’m sure he was nervous about messing that wheel up but he did well.
Once I had to mount 4 new tires on a brand new 991 turbos S. Customer watched every single move I made from beginning to end. Didn’t say a word. I didn’t really mind, just not used to it. Good video 👍🏻
Very very surprised your only running 35 cold.
Why would he run it higher? No real reason to unless running around an autocross course.
but why silver weights? instead of black?
That's all they had.
I'm curious Matt. Why don't you buy tires at Costco?
John Perez exactly, best price on tires plus 1 cent installation and free rotate and balance for life of tires.
Ha, ha... I'm not a Costco kind of guy. I once had a membership to BJs and all I bought was 5lb jugs of peanut butter and Dunkaroos.
@@ObsessedGarage well they have the best tire prices, warranty/insurance and since they only install tires in the shop and are the biggest seller of tires, they have the fancy machines you like. Oo and they use nitrogen. BTW people say they sell high quality gas at their pumps
Matt I'm an obsseced kind of guy like you and Costco always offers more than his competitors for less money. They have expanded their organic offerings and their brand of food products is even better than the rest in many cases so I get most of my groceries from them.
Obsessed Garage bahahaha awesome 😎
This is what I meant by never coating the barrel, even if the wheel weights were put on first, eventually you’ll need to get them rebalanced or get a nail in the tire etc. wheel weights will never stay in the spot for the lifetime of the tires, and as tires wear naturally you’ll notice it will need wheel balancing again. I guess it’s just my precaution to everyone, save the barrels.
The yellow and red dots are for poorly manufactured tyres. Good tyres don't have them as they will only be around 10g out of balance. I balance up my rims without tyre, then install tyre to see what is going on then rebalance with my 4 point ultra balance that involves 12 balance checks on the assembly. The rims are usually way more out of balance than the tyre and no large correlation to the valve stem being the heavy spot, so aligning valve stem with yellow dot is just pissing in the dark.
Its kinda pointless to balance the wheel without a tire then have to balance it with a tire.
Wouldn’t it be worth going to more of a specialty shop with like 10K HRE’s? I’ve just seen so many horror stories on the Facebook. I’d be worried even with their best guy on wheels like that
You should make some custom OG valve stem covers for your wheels
I only go to them here in Sac, Discount’s awesome Matt I’m obsessed and they know it I ask them to hand start the lugs do spin them on with a freaking gun, no Torque sticks only wrench!! Then when I drive about 50 miles I re- torque then myself.
Center mount tire machine eh? Lol.. “ yes sir we have what your talking about sure, come give us your money..”
Someone has OCD
I have had great luck with DiscountTire... They have done excellent work on many of my cars. They have amazing service, and are consistent from shop to shop.
Matt part of your “wanting to get it on video” is your anxiety getting to you while someone handles that expensive wheel lol I don’t blame you one bit. My anxiety level goes through the roof at tire shops
when I take my tire in to fix a leak, I buy the guy a beer - no treadwear warranty and I still don't get charged ;)
A Ben Franklin can buy a WHOLE CASE (or 3)!
@@markblomer5867 yea, but I can't afford $100 - that would be a whole new tire for me
Started this video and half way through missed a text from my girlfriend asking for help with the grocery bags....it dawned on me in that moment, when I saw the look of disappointment in her eyes, that I just watched a guy chase a tire leak, and left my girl stranded because I had to see it through. I had to know if the leak was fixed.
Ha, ha.... Been there.
Yaaaaaaaa
Good old fashion obsessed garage content.
Just you!! Haha sorry don't like the other vids including others. They should have their own channel. OGCrazyCrew.
Even Howard Stern gave his crew their own segment. Which I never watched :)
Would you have gone to a local mechanic if he had the experience and proper tools?
Bet that guy changing the tyre felt abit nervous and just a little bit under preassure not to mark that alloy while been filmed lol. Well done him most outfits couldnt give a t*ss if they mark your wheels.
OCD Nightmare right here lol.
I have a tire leak like from a year ago, this guy would kill me
You should ask them about road force balancing!
I was an employee of discount tire and outside of that discount not really being up to par with how the shops should be in fact it's far off what most stores would find acceptable in terms of missing equipment and cleanliness. But mainly I'd urge you to begin moving away from Michelins in the five years I worked there the quality has steadily dropped. I can't speak to the new pilot sport 4s's quality but as a whole Michelins have begone wearing more quickly and I have seen those barcode stickers cause issues with numerous wheels not just yours. Also kinked and warped beads are becoming more and more prevalent
God as I keep watching I urge you to find a different discount or talking to corporate about this particular store and having them watch your video. Also this service should have been free no matter where you got your wheels and tires and it also should have been this much care if not more! There are just so many things he did that could've been done better and been safer to the wheels if he had the correct equipment or knowledge!!
They didn't charge me anything. I just tipped Jeff a $100.
What the hell is with the loud music - I can't understand what you are saying!
Man I like music but man that is annoying in the background. Makes it hard to understand this technician. Guy knows his stuff.
You cant even hear what that tire shop guy is saying 🤦🏽♂️
Should've put bead sealer on the wheel
100 dollars to fix your tire? Dang you care about it 🤔 Walmart is 20 at most
Filming here guys!
Little help with noise.
If you work at a dealership or bring it there, they don't give a F***. I worked there, the Senior, Master techs that teach you want you to hurry the F up because you're slowing down your own team and they get mad sometimes they gotta help you out too, Mind you they're making money off your a** by putting their 4 digit tech number in the story line for who to pay while you're just a lowly lube tech/apprentice. Quality is just not there. Whereever you brought it shown in video have more care. Bet you they get paid better too lol.
Put a real wheel with real tires on no problem
Worst part of getting a new wheelset and tires. Is having to deal with this nonsense
$200 .... wtf you got ROBBED
stop with the justification running into this video already Matt - start building a working relationship with these guys (Jeff is working it )so they understand your needs & these issues are not yours. Why didn't the shop not dunk (submerge) water test the rim & type to see where leak is < it's not hard, build a relationship with your local provider
I’m not sure how picky you are, but I know in the bike world people like to have the tire logo near the air valve.
only reason for doing that is to make it easier to find a puncture in the tube and then subsequently find what caused the puncture in the bike tire. On cars it's better to get the red and yellow dots lined up with the wheel valve stem and/or the TPMS sensor as needed to reduce the amount of weights needed to balance the tire. Bicycle tires don't get balanced so logo near the valve stem works fine there.
@@Patrick94GSR Yea it is just to make it a little easier to find the valve on bikes, but I didn't know that the colored dots on cars were put on strategically. Cool.