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This video contains scenes from the 1st season of HBO's "Rome", focused on the politics of the Senate. Importance is given to the Senate, Senate meetings (informal and formal), & any scene that takes place inside of the Senate house. Feel free to debate and discuss.
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Who do you stand with? Like for Caesar comment for Cato!
Ave Ceasar
Its popularity contest. Caesar wins for being cool
Plebians like Caesar because they are incapable of having an original thought and needs a strong man to tell them what to do.
Many of these people have a daddy complex
Intelligent people who value freedom will try to save the republic.
Cicero is the real hero here.
The republic must stand.
@@gerardjagroo Yes, you are right.
It was the lack of Air Conditioning that made them all insane.
Edwidge Whatsosons haaahaa
and no wifi
@@SkodzGaming They all vote in a Twitter poll ;)
They actually had air conditioning, of a sort.
@@Argumemnon windows
HBO really needs to revive this show. There's so much more Roman history to explore
No what is done is done. Tho i agree they should make another show about the old republic.. id like to see sula and marious , or the gracci brothers maby even the samnite wars... the possibilitys are endless
They should have season 1 be the founding of the republic and have a season for all major wars/events. Imagine a season with Hannibal destroying every army.....until the season finale of the the 2nd Punic war......Zama.
the original show plan had the story told out as far as the life of jesus, and even further. it's been long enough that they could skip a bit of time and move forward without any of the original cast, though mckidd and stevenson are still around, so a vorenus and pullo cameo would be lovely =D
Sadly HBO was great.
Ruled by Liberals like the Senate of Rome.
I would love to see a show in the same style about Aurelian.
"Snows always melt". Yeah that was clearly a threat. I love that line...
He has so many great one-liners!
Thanks for the sub champ!
And in the end Mark Anthony became the biggest Antagonist
Thats not a threat the snows do always melt
@@ihateintroductions5808 I don't know who has the best one-liners, Mark Anthony from Rome, or Bronn from Game of Thrones
It's good to see that centuries cannot eliminate partisan gridlock and backdoor politics.
*millenia
Oh that is the Oldest Truth in Politics.
Kerrigan Hayes maybe because the founders intentionally created the system to be power contradicting power.
erik dahlbeck I mean we know it didn't go down like in the show because Caesar was never Pompey's co-consul
or crooked senators who enter DC poor as a church mouse, and leave with vast millions. Nancy No-Losi has demonstrated the self enrichment of our "champions" who miraculously become super wealthy as the media sleeps.
There was an incident once where Cato caught somebody passing a note to Caesar during a Senate meeting. Cato seized the note and insisted on reading it out loud to the Senate even though Caesar advised him not to. The note turned out to be a love letter from Cato's sister to Caesar talking about how great Caesar was in bed.
No, it wasn't "passing a note" like a classroom letter. A letter officially arrived during the hearing, Cato then forced for the letter to be read aloud.
Either way mama got game for a woman to write a letter saying how great a shag he is.
Caesar was infamous for his sexual exploits. During his Triumph his legions sang songs about how men had to hide their wives from him or he would shag them all.
One of my favourite anecdotes
Caesar had a biggus dickus
"He wants to destroy the Republic and rule Rome as a bloody toilet"
I think the Closed Caption is wrong for me.
Ceasar had to much chipotle in Gaul
And what is a "java car ", anyway?
@@ChickenButt39--More like too much wine, if anything. Chipotle was unknown in Gaul (and Hispania) in Roman times. Caesar might have been enamored of a fermented fish sauce from Hispania known as Garum. Hispania had been the site of a retired soldier's colony by 23 B. C. and just starting to export vast amounts of grain, olives, and olive oil beginning around that time.
@@onemercilessming1342 whoosh
@@yungsouichi2317--That's the sound that learned, researched, and factual information makes when it goes right over the hoi polloi's collective heads.
Palpatine might have been the first one to say "I am the Senate" But Caesar was the first one who was the Senate.
not thru because stars wars was long time ago
True.
Man of action.
Real senates don't have to say they are a senate, Palpatine was no caesar
@@kvnd7331 Give palpatine an essence of nightshade so that he may fall asleep
What about Sulla
Cicero : Stfu let him speak
Also Cicero : *speaks over him*
Exactly. Amazing way to interrupt someone.
Cicero was a master at public speaking. His own slave even invented Stenographia, still used in the 1950 to write a speaking at the same speed the man is speaking. Cicero followed some special training lessons in Greece when he was younger, and a part of them was based on public speaking. Have a look at Cicero's arms when he is talking: its a special posture to sustain pressure and stress. This was formally taught in these Greek rethoric lessons. That show is quite accurate, except on some characters. It's a shame they had to stop it.
Classic Cicero amiright
Strangely enough, the Senate was far more chaotic than this in the final days before Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
Yeah, they downplayed things quite a bit, probably to make it more believable.
Let's not get into Clodius and Milo's arm gang of political agitators that turn Rome into utter chaos that lead to the sole Consulship by Pompey (they literally cannot hold the consulship election, and Senate have to just gave Pompey the first consul, and he choose his new father-in-law as the co-consul) and the Senatus Ultimum Consultum that gave Pompey almost dictatorship power to bring the city into order.
@@dyingearth Pompeys sole Consulship is a hilarious little point because the Pompeyan faction of the senate clutched their pearls when Caesar made this exact same move. Many people look at Pompey as some kind of hero who couldn't get the job done in the end when in reality the only reason Pompey feared Caesar was because he knew Caesar would do the exact same thing he would
@Reunite The British Empire Well, he waged war against all of Gaul, including allies and city states that were paying tribute to Rome. That's tyranny. He was a great leader, but he was a scheming maniac.
@Reunite The British Empire he was a genius but he was a bloody tyrant
2:56: please note what Cicero is doing with his hands and fingers. This position was taughted in Greece during "special public speakings lectures" to train politics (basically: high citizens at that era) to speak without stress and pressure. Cicero was known for having spent a few years in Greece while he was a young man to train on philosophy and all that stuff, and learned that physicall attitude there. That TV show was so reallistic! I recognized that moove 10 years later only, I had never heard of it when I was younger.
how exactly having that position with hands reduces stress lol?
Same can be said about any position eh?
Maybe it acted as a focus tool? That’s so cool!
Well Cicero was allready "Father of the Fatherland" during this time supposedly the most respected politician of his time.
TIL. Fascinating bit of knowledge, I never knew about that.
It even has a name:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chironomia
@@cautarepvp2079 Most Spanish and Italians today "speak with their hands" much more so than Northern Europeans this is a throw back to this formal teaching of oratorical tools used by the Greeks.
When you go to Rome today and see the ruins and then watch this show, it is truly mind-blowing that TWO THOUSAND years ago this was all happening. It's unbelievable that ancient Roman existed/thrived to the extent it did.
And to some extent their civilization is still alive in ours.
Will they not say the same in 2000 years when they wander through the ruins of our civilization. Did not romans say the same of the ruined civilizations they wandered through. Men are ephemeral, but mankind is ancient and strange. Through this cycle of deaths and rebirths, we discover much more than ourselves, and feel the weights of many souls long dead who trod out the steps of our own prosperity, now we lay the highway of stones for those who will come down the road and feel the weight of our ghosts in days to come.
@@TheSasudomi Bravo,bravo.
Check out niems in Southern France you will find some of the best preserved roman buildings in that city.
I think it's the most common historical misconception that for some reason that just because these people had less technology than us that they were somehow less capable. Human beings are human beings wherever we are, and as far as I can tell we are always genuinely amazing in how creative, tenacious and persistent we can be.
Rome total war ost in the background fits well
It was mixed too loud.
@@darthkek1953 Yes it would have been better without any OST
@@ThePrinceofGaming it's good music but a bit intrusive.
Its not for everyone. But for those of us who played Rome Total War. Its riviting. Best Total War OST of them all.
@@moseshamlett3887 RTW was the first total war i ever played, and i loved it ( still love it ), but the music in the video is way too loud for my liking :(
Dat feeling when you realize that all this stuff really happened.. Rome history is the best
It is but in truth, it's small compared to the history of China.
Joseph Gibson arguably not
@@JosephGibson Why does that even matter?
@@JosephGibson Who gives a toss about China? Its history is so hard to understand and unravel. At least the history of Rome is notable and memorable with amazingly influential figures to this day. The Roman form of government inspired literally the entire world's governments today. Give me a breakdown of China's history in simple terms.
@@dawn-blade I agree about Roman history, but don't be so quick to toss out Chinese history, The Romance of The Three Kingdoms is one of the most popular stories of mankind.
Cicero gets excited and shakes the shit out of an old man with a head injury.
historians seem to suggest he was prone to panicking under stress.
He went to some serious shit by being the best lawyer, a witty politician, and Clodius' and Mark Antony's enemy
Maulana Fariz also true - and he was an interesting philosopher. I like Cicero a lot. He was prone to panic though, which is not a criticism, just a historical observation. As nobody is completely perfect.
@@BunnyUK even Caesar had seizures
That old man is general and pirate-slayer: Publius Servilius Vatia Isauricus!! Show some respect!
HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!!!!!!
*_I am the Senate!!!_*
Not yet.
It's treason then
*Jullius Caesar draws his Spatha (long Roman sword) from his scabbard and they’re at it*
@@tomurg would have been the gladius hispanicus ( spanish sword).The spatha didn't become standard issue until the 2nd - 3rd c AD.
Hey Senate
Such a good series. It's a travesty that it was only 2 seasons.
1 1/2 basically. They fast tracked the second season lol
Mark Antony was the best part of the show
Camels? Do I look like a fucking date merchant?
his raw unmitigated ambition was something to watch indeed
Is it just me thinking but wasnt Antony kind of an idiot not realizing that Cicero tells him to veto the motion and not realizing that thats what the enemies of Caesar want him to do?
James Purefoy is Pure Joy to behold
@@miro6099 you'd be wrong. cicero was trying to play the middle. that's why he carried the motion then told antony to veto it. it wasn't vetoed, making caesar a criminal, forcing him to go to war with the senate. if it had been vetoed as cicero wanted, the roman republic might've held on a bit longer and war certainly could've been averted.
Policywise, clearly in Caesar's camp.
Procedurewise, in Cicero's. Rome had a good system in theory, but it became unbalanced as a result of expanding borders and Generals having the opportunity to win enough renown to form cults of personality around them beginning in the days of Cato the Elder (~150 years before this Cato) and Scipio Africanus. Vorenus was correct in his assessment, but what he didn't realize is THAT Republic had long been dead, if not after the Punic Wars, than certainly by the time of Marius and Sulla; while some say Rome became an Empire under Augustus, it happened in truth under Scipio. And the same goes with Emperors, in all but name, Crassus, Pompey, and Caesar were the beginning of the permanent rule of the Imperial Court.
Sulla is the one who really changed things. The threat (or reality) of a powerful general using an army to defeat his political opponents in order to round them up and kill them hung over the Senate the whole time in the period between Sulla and Caesar. It had become an option in a way that it had never been before.
@@Sphere723 Except Marius did that first. Sulla's proscriptions were retaliatory for his own supporters being killed. If any single person can be blamed for killing the republic it's Marius.
@@Kidneyjoe42 Kind of a chicken and egg thing with Marius and Sulla. Sulla marched on Rome first and eliminated a few people. Marius marched on Rome and eliminated a lot of people, then Sulla comes back and eliminates even more.
But I think it's fair to hang most of it on Sulla who was the first to use his army to march on Rome. That's what opened Pandora's box.
The political system was very corrupt. Not a very good system at that time. It was degrading rapidly, with senators constantly going rogue and murdering their enemies with impunity. Caesar lived during all this, and created a long lasting empire because of what he did. Cicero used to defend murderers alot, and was not a very good man himself even if he was extremely wise in many aspects.
Rome became an empire after its defeat of Carthage in the Second Punic War. Sulla set the precedent for generals becoming dictators.
It’s probably not a good idea to make the heavy smoker the announcer
Lol
LOL
THIS IS A RELIGIOUS MATTER!!!
@@mortache THERE ARE NO TRICKS IN MATTERS OF RELIGION!
LOL
"My father died on this floor. Right there. Stabbed 27 times, butchered by men he called his friends. Who will tell me that is not murder? [Several soldiers enter the Senate hall as the Senators mutter angrily] Who will tell my legions, who love Caesar as I do, that that is not murder?! [the soldiers draw their swords. Silence falls] Who will speak against the motion?"
Augustus Caesar giving the senate the middle finger.
One of my ALL TIME favorite TV shows. Rome Season 1 is perhaps one of the best written and well-acted shows of all time! I only regret that HBO and the show writers stopped production of a possible Season 3 to finish the series.
Cato has a question about why Pompey's colleague, Caesar is not seated beside Pompey in the Consul's seat. The answer is that it is not his seat. This is between Alesia (52 BC) and the Rubicon (49 BC). Pompey was Consul in 52 but his colleague was Quintus Caecilius Metellus Pius Scipio Nasica. Scipio is played by Paul Jesson in the series. Caesar had been Consul in 59 BC but since then he had been Governor of both Cisalpine and Transalpine Gaul. He was not returning to Rome because, once he did, his Command would end and he would immediately be prosecuted. He was seeking special exemption to run for office in absentia as that would extend his immunity.
You sir are a geek. These mechanizations are convoluted enough to be true. But they have a plot to move along.
Make Rome Great Again.
@@SuperChuckRaney Geek, I think you meant historian.
Be careful with the "Make Rome Great Again" slogan. The last person to use that was named Benito and he ended up shot and on display hanging from his heels at a Milan service station.
@@stvdagger8074 Putin is making a procedural error on Ukraine.
Caesar didnt make many on his way to the Top. I thought his invasion of Britian was odd.
Everyone yelling about the war in Gaul, and he is tromping around LOTS of other places.
@@SuperChuckRaney Caesar made many procedural errors on his way to the top. While Consul, he ignored the lawful vetoes imposed by his co-Consul, Bibulus. While Govenor of Gaul, he conducted unauthorized wars. These violations of the law left him vulnerable to legal prosecution, thus he had to start a civil war to avoid the legal consequences of his own doing. What Putin is doing is waging an aggressive war and he should end up on a noose.
@@stvdagger8074 Prosecution for what? "Theft, murder, illegal warfare, for fomenting a tyranny" ? Seems spurious.
2000 years later and the UK parliament hasn't changed much from this exact scene.
No it's like a game show. This was a togga party gone bad.
ORRRDUUUUHHHHH
UK parliament is even worse because they don’t kill each other these days; we’ve got even more deadlock and false promises.
Hugh Morris would be nice if they hacked at each other now and again. Get the angst out.
And we know labour pc folk aren’t going to win a brawl.
The Italian parliament really hasn't changed all that much. Shouting, scuffling and brawling are still part of the tradition, although slicing, stabbing and murdering each other is no longer allowed.
This is about Rome not about naked tea suckers ancestors , you have nothing in common with these guys , if wasn’t for the Frenchmen you wouldn’t even have Latin alphabet
Palpatine: I am the Senate
Gaius Julius Caesar: that’s cute
I've always found it interesting that they chose to portray Cato as a cantankerous old man when he was actually five years younger the Ceasar and eleven years younger than Cicero.
Because the Republic at this point was old and dying, so Cato represented that condition.
@@curtisag "They sleep standing up, you know. Elephants. On account, once laid down, they cannot rise again."
i love this portrayal of pompei, much more subtle than what i've learned about. not really a political fan of caesar anymore but not vain enough to start a civil war with caesar
I love Pompey's look of "God dammit, I'm gonna have to deal with this crap cuz of these idiots".
Superb cast, A masterpiece. PLEASE bring it back!!
The cast was horrible, and the modern English accents very inaccurate.
Romans spoke Latin, not some fluffy pompous sounding modern English.
@@legioxciicorvus5917 Quit larping and enjoy things as they are.
@@legioxciicorvus5917 Latin is for dead people and fallen empires. English is a much more modern and understandable language spoken by over a billion people in the world.
@@legioxciicorvus5917 To be fair; soldiers, merchants and plebs woud speak latin. High educated particians; such as the senators; would speak ancient greek (when speaking to each other, at least); as most philosophers, scientists and poets revered and studied at the time where greeks (after all; much of Rome's culturre came from greece; gods and relligion included)... So doing a show with an english speaking cast would be innacurate no matter the accent they used.
@@legioxciicorvus5917 Are you seriously suggesting that the entire cast should have learned Latin. If you weren't a moronic larper you would realize that no one knows what any Latin accent was like. Not to mention the cast for Rome was one of the best in all of prime time television. You truly are a dolt
Imagine if they actually listened to Anthony and gave Caesar the province of Illyria.
If so, Caesar would be in no position to revolt against the Senate without losing the support of the people and the army
That was never gonna happen which is hinted at when Cicero says Pompey's soldiers rule. The Republic was dying and Pomey and Caesar at odds just made it die faster. Both wanted to be top dog and Pompey figured he could strip Caesar of his position with the Senate.
It also would've given him time to bribe more senators to his side, build popularity with the people, disband enough of his legions to create a voting base in the city while keeping his most loyal men under arms. All to go through the same process once his new governship expired only then he would have even more support in the city itself. And all of that is assuming he didn't find an excuse to raise more legions and invade southern Germany just as he had found an excuse to invade gual. At best it just delays the civil war while giving him a chance to grow even more powerful.
And that assumes that with ceaser somewhat weakened Pompeii wouldn't seize power in the interim and force the Senate into ceaser's hand anyway. The Republic was screwed by this point. too corrupt too weak, and caught between two men with boundless ambitions.
@Crus Harold I doubt that. Ceasar hesitated for quite a while.
Also, Anthony actually managed to find a solution Ceasar, Pompey and most others were willing to accept. But Cato and Lentilus, unwilling to accept, forcibly expelled Anthony to prevent him from vetoing the move to have Ceasar declared a criminal (which happened 7 days after Anthony left Rome.)
Even after all this, Ceasar still hesitated and took some time to think things through thoroughly.
Also, Pompey, being a decent military commander understood that he was at a disadvantage at that point in time.
When Ceasar crossed the Rubicon, Pompey immediately proposed abandoning Rome and retreating to Macedonia, while everyone else insisted on intercepting Ceasar's advance on Rome (which failed as miserably as Pompey predicted).
This turn of events was inconvenient for Pompey, because of the bad timing.
Pompey was actually the biggest threat to Rome's republic...and most understood that. Pompey was basically just a normal guy who inherited his father's army. For half of his career, he didn't have any legal right to lead an army, didn't even hold any political offices. He went straight from nothing to consul, without holding any of the expected offices before becoming consul.
He became consul only because he did what Ceasar would do later. Marched an army on Rome because he wanted a Triumph. Crassus, who actually deserved that Triumph, in response marched his army to Rome as well.
Both men had broken the law, so both were made consuls to give them immunity to prosecution as a compromise and to prevent civil war.
The only thing Pompey had, was his own personal army. And he used the threat of that army to get the things he wanted.
Pompey had crossed the Rubicon with an seversl times himself. He used to be Sulla's henchman. Even Crassus commited the same crime.
I'm pretty sure Ceasar (and Pompey) expected the senate to do what it did all the previous times...to compromise.
Caesar still would not have stopped until he was undisputed dictator.
@@tylerdurden3722 agree.
"SNOWS ALWAYS MELT.."
The Darling of Venus.
@benvolio mozart too bad he failed then, snakes like Cicero are best handled with a hard hand.
@benvolio mozart Cæsar was removed from the mortal flesh, and all of his enemies were hunted down and slaughtered before he was deified.
The so called "Liberators," the self-proclaimed "saviors of the Republic," were the ones who ensured that the Republic fell.
@benvolio mozart Yet it is the name Cæsar which remains prevalent to this day.
You claim he just "picked up the dropped apples." The greatest of those who seek power look to do so by doing the least of the work themselves.
@benvolio mozart Sulla was a brute, a successful brute but a brute nonetheless. He slaughtered his political opponents, whereas Cæsar utterly outmaneuvered his.
Where Sulla would have had Pompey killed, like a brute, Cæsar sought to place him as a powerful, and grateful, ally in the Senate.
The so called "Liberators" had been so utterly outmatched they resorted to butchering Cæsar like a bunch of panicking criminals, and earned the hatred of the common Roman public so much that they were forced to flee from the Republic they so ignorantly believed they were "saving."
benvolio mozart calling someone naive while blating so much nonsense and utter BS about Ceasar and Sulla, we get it, you hate Ceasar for whatever reason,
You call him a mass muderer then you can basicly call every senator one including your beloved Sulla or you though when he was campaigning in the east they opened their doors for him and showered him with flowers.
I normally never respond to these kind of Biased posts but this was just too much.
Calling Ceasar just luck while he was one of the most outstanding generals of his time.
Battle of Alesia was actual brilliance and competent leadership, and at the battle of Pharsalus he destroyed his rival the self styled Pompey Magnus who was Sulla’s pupil.
“Rally to me, Rally to me, Rally to ME.....”
a true fan
Caesar was already the big man in Rome before he declared himself dictator. He was so crafty and powerful that he could just sit in Gaul knowing that the Senate could do nothing to stop him or lessen his control. You want to talk about power moves, that is the greatest power move of all. He had to feel like a myth or a deity to people in Rome, just bestowing fortune on those who supported him and ruin on those who didn't all while never being seen by the pawns on his chess board. And when he finally did come home wearing red face paint, surrounded by his legions, it would be like seeing Mars himself marching in to lead Rome to glory.
great fuckin analysis bro! no wonder why that image always struck me...even when i dont feel like doing something important, i just think of this series Caesar, motivates me so fkin much
I saw this vid that said Caesar could go home yet, he hadnt found the gold mine in Gaul. That was what he was looking for.
Pompey was his friend, Pompey was rich, and Pompey died
Did he really come back into Rome with red face paint on?
@@foodchewer I think is some sort of homage to the God's, a religious thing.
*Still makes more sense than modern Western politics.*
Carlos Smith it's exactly the same but less bloodshed, well more or less
Whats is better than either the two systems mentiones tell me
Caesar is basically Trump.
EVOCATEUR not at all
@@willre00 Hmm a wealthy aristocratic populist despised by the elite but with support of the neglected working classes tries to enact sweeping reforms that are met with vitriolic resistance from bureaucrats and politicians who try everything they can to stop him. Yeah I can't imagine who that sounds like.
Very nice!
I loved that latter bit.
"And you? Are you with me?!"
"YEAAHH!!"
Probably the Republic was beyond saving, but I have to say that Cato
destroyed it (if it was not already destroyed). It wasn't the first time
the Republic was bent and Cato's unyielding posture made any ammend
impossible. Caesar wanted to be the First Man in Rome, which was the valid aim of any Roman aristocrat. He did not want to destroy the Republic, but change it, as was sorely needed by then.
Yup. Cato fucked up.
Seriously.... Caesar destroyed the Republic (with help from Sulla and Marius before him), Not Cato.... Cato didn't March on Rome, Cato didn't kill innocent Romans just because he didn't want to be exiled, Cato didn't do anything but say how it is.... That Caesar wanted to rule Rome as a Tyrant (which he did) and that Caesar abused his power to March on Rome, which he didn't have to. Many people were exiled in Roman History, there were even lot's of dictators before Sulla and Caesar. The difference is that the Dictators before Sulla and Caesar, were TRUE Romans who stepped down once the threat was over, and we're asked to be Dictator rather than March on Rome!!
@@Aemilius46 Still, Cato really did fuck up. During the meeting with Mark Antony and the Conservatives, 3 of the 5 Conservatives (including Pompey and Cicero) agreed to the deal which Caesar proposed (1 legion and 1 province). This deal would've made it so much more harder for Caesar to gain power, as he would basically have to start from ground zero again. Of course Cato being the ignorant fool that he is, broke down negotiations by demanding the complete resignation of Caesar. And then again, after Pompey decided to do a tactical withdrawal from Rome (which was the best option), Cato wanted for them to stay which just shows how out of touch he was from the situation at hand. He wanted Pompey to face Caesar near Rome with maybe 1 legion full of recruits who would run at the sight of Caesars veterans. I'm not denying Caesar wanted to be a emperor which he definitely did, however Cato was way too ignorant when it came to understanding the geopolitical situation at hand.
@@Aemilius46 True
@@Aemilius46so you just ignore all the machinations of Cato that forced Cesar into his march on Rome. Talk about being biased. “With a help” of people who lived almost centuries before him, you’re just repeating Cato’s conservative fears. He and his supporters could not make difference between reality and their interpretations, could not separate their status quo from well being of Republic, and so the ushered their own end.
Game of Thrones: "Winter is coming."
Rome: 5:48
I hope I am as jacked as Cato when I am 70.
This was such a thoughtfully written show. Given the state of the world, I've been thinking a rewatch might be useful.
while this HBO series takes many liberties within it's movie script, it is well worth purchasing, without a doubt. I own both seasons.. The best parts don't even involve known entities.
Second season is pure soft porn
Cato wanted things to remain the same,while even the recent history had undoubtedly proven that things couldn’t. Change has been part of humanity from the beginning and failure to accept it will lead to ruin.
It did for Cato after all
GODS this was SUCH A GOOD SHOW!!! This takes me back to me early 20's, living with my best friend, just hanging on the next episode, getting high, drunk, entertaining multiple women...I miss those days so much...but I am more than happy to remember them rather than to have never lived them at all. Such a different age we live in now...HAIL CAESAR!
cringe
@@jenshavla4673 triggered
What the .
GODS THE WRITING WAS STRONG THEN
@@dragonforks93 GET ME MY SEASON 3 STRETCHER!
""...spring comes, snows melt.....I assure you its no threat....snows always melt"" - Antony
The classic, "It's not a threat, it's a promise."
Cato was represented in the show like he was Cato the Elder, the ultra conservative mean spirited crank. Cato the younger died before he was even 50, and had ethics that no man in Rome would question. They dropped the ball when they made him an angry old man instead of a stoic and determined senator in a black toga attempting to keep the ideals of the Senate with one last representative. The real rivalry was Caesar vs Cato, not vs Pompey or Cicero.
Vorenus kind of fills that function broadly speaking
Cato opposed Caesar a lot, but he wasn't his main rival
@@CW-rx2js He was his true rival.
@@CW-rx2js He really was
Cicero in reality wasnt on either side, he didnt want a civil war. He only joined Pompey because the Senate was with them and because he thought either one of them would make themselves dicators it would be better to side with the senate in the hopes of maintaining parts of its power. Even in the final negotiations it was him who pushed for compramise and kinda placed himself as the middle man between Antony and Pompey. And they had a deal too, but Cato fucked it all up - they agreed to allow Ceaser to keep one legion and maintain his legal immunity, but then Cato demanded the last legion and it all broke down. He almost achived peace but Cato fucked it..
Pompey was Ceasers ally for most of his life and only joined the Conservative faction after the death of Crassus and the death of his wife (Ceasers daughter I think). After that he did become his enemy yes, but lets be honest he wasnt a man with strong convictions. He was no defender of the Republic, even people like Cicero saw that. He would make himself dicator if he won just like Ceaser. Once his marriage ended and he no longer needed Ceaser, he became his enemy because of opitiunism. But it was at the end of his career and for the largest part they werent rivals but allies instead.
Cato on the other hand is another story. All throughout his life he opposed Ceaser. he basically screwed him out of his Spanish Triumph. And when Ceasers legal immunity ended, Cato promised that he would be the one to lead the prosocution against him. It was Cato who basically led the anti-Ceaser faction in the senate until Pompey came along. It was Cato who opposed him at every turn. All his career, he was Ceasers enemy. And after the fall of Pompey, it was him who led the last of the Pompains along with Lepidus and made there last stand in Africa.
TLDR: Cato was the real rival. Cicero was never really his rival, he only joined the Pompains once it was a one or the other decision. he decided to go with them to save the senate not to snub Ceaser. Pompey was his ally for most of his career, and only really became his enemy at the end. Cato was his true rival, fighting him at every turn, promising to lead the prosocution against him and leading the Pompaians after the fall of Pompey.
Optimates wanting to string up Populares for circumventing the law is just so funny. They had been doing this themselves for around 150 years and had pretty much themselves designed the very platform that Caesar gained political power on, with their own actions
It was a lot more complex and f.e. if you look at the populares part of politics they were often the voice of expansion and agression. Much more so than the optimates. Calling for violence circumventing their own laws. But Caesar really wasnt either. He was a genius in masking himself kind of as leftist populares to gain support and then break out as a dictator. He didnt do it only for personal glory but because he saw the roman republic nearing its end as a functional system of government and he was right in that. Nowadays its not really in discussion that this was in many cases the populares combined with short sighted politics. One of the most famous the forced resignation of Fabius the "Cunctator" in the fight against Carthago. Roman history can tell us how precious a democratic or republican system of governemnt is and that its no guarantee at all that it will stay that way if you dont watch out.
With the amount of reading that I have done on this period, I FUCKING LOVE this series, regardless of it being a drama. HBO did this period in history a great honor, even if a few things were changed to tell a story. I am SO SAD that this series never blossomed into a third season (because of the extreme costs involved) or a semi-planned movie that saw Vorenus survive (because who knows why?). Maybe in the distant, or hopefully near future, we will see a continuation. I can only dream :(
naaa the ending for vorenus was good it was very emotional and the series kinda oushed from the beggining that he was gona die its big for the character arc
@@goodcomrade2949 To be fair, we never did see him die, but it was strongly implied. The writers of the series including Bruno Heller of course were shopping around the idea of an actual movie where he survives to a few major studios shortly after the series ended. Unfortunately it never picked up any steam for whatever reason, but I would have loved to have seen a full length film.
I watch this video weekly, thanks man. Rome Remastered is finally getting where I want it too! Gods be praised.
better than GoT
After Season 8 of GOT, this comment has aged poorly!
Almost everything on HBO was better than GoT
@@travr1131 You mean aged perfectly?
Season 8 is pure, utter garbage, and it ruined the whole show for me.
George R. R. Martin is a fat
unoriginal fuck with Tolkien delusions who plagiarized Lord of the Rings and even stylized his name like Tolkien's
@Lewis Definitely.
Good pick of music from Rome Total War. I loved the HBO Rome series. In place music really worked and editing was very good. Well done!! :)
Much appreciated!
Your Welcome :)
Rome total war best PC game ever nice to listen to such music
@@ihateintroductions5808 Why did the Romans love sex so much?
Rome Total War music is Jeff Beal's composed for HBO ROME
One of the most valued and high qualities shows on tv . HBO had to cancel it due to cost of production . Excellence is not cheap .
Would trade a full dozen of any other HBO subsequent shows, including GOT, to finance one or two more seasons of Rome.
well said my friend
This is the best HBO Rome comp I’ve seen. Well done 👍
Mucho appreciated!
Music and compilation was excellent thank you
Idiots forced his hand.
War Against Myself Cato and his absolute inflexibility are really what forced Caesar to take such a drastic step, negotiations were going on and on from both sides to find a way out of that mess, what Caesar was asking for was justifiably reasonable considering his achievements, the right to stand for consul in absentia, Cato is responsible for what ensued.
Mainly cato I find it odd that in the meeting between the pompeian faction and Marc Anthony shows Cato saying very little when reality Cato was the one that ruined the negotiations for both sides as a compromise was about to be struck
@@kenrudd6362 one legion and a govornorship to remove a threat is cheap. Cato wanted war because he thought je was the senate
@@markperry2827 not yet he's not
Ok, as much as Caesar was an "enlightened despot" you have to realize that Caesar was urging them to declare him an enemy with his every action so that he would have his Casus Belli to march on Rome. Anyone marching on the Pommerium or crossing the Rubicon is considered an enemy of Rome, so no matter how much you dress it up Caesar was a traitor. It only speaks to the power of his propaganda that we still have people like you justifying his atrocities. Though I will concede, there was no worse slave, and no better master than Caesar, and the Senate was incredibly corrupt. However, you people are the very plebians that enable tyrants to rise to power and then act confused when a Stalin or a Hitler begins his purges.
3:39 That "I need only stamp my feet" quote was actually a real quote from Pompey at that time
Scipio was pushed by the others to propose the motion, you can see he is pissing his toga when he take his seat hahahahah
Man, this is such a nice edit. Well done. This makes me realise that there is no difference between filthy politicians then, and filthy politicians now. Good on ya for making this. Ave!
I appreciate the love
@@ihateintroductions5808 I know this is late but how about a clip on the ladies plotting and backstabbing. They were so wonderfully nasty.
I like this acting in Enlgish.. But my friends, imagine this in Latin. Me as Portuguese, just imagining it.. My blood boils, I drink the finest wine and eat the finest grapes and olives...
How legendary this would be...
You have the new tv show called Barbarians, there they speak fully in Latin
@@lakistojkovic190 Yes, I watched it already. Thank you 👍🏼
Caesar was right. Read Plato's Republic for a good explanation.
You’ve put this together pretty well. Well done.
This is a fantastic summary, gonna show it in class! Thanks for making it!
Super happy to hear that! I hope it goes well!
Great idea to put all these scenes together.
Why does Cicero look so much younger than Pompey and Caesar? He's the same age as Pompey and slightly older than Caesar.
Some people just age better ;)
Less time on battlefield?
I’d argue is because given the show was really expensive at the time, production went cheap on casting actors
@@tucker1012 nah, actors are great.
Very well edited, we need more rome shows!
Magnificent cut, bravo 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Glad you enjoyed!
the first speaker was that mumbling police constable in Hot Fuzz lel
He is not mumbling in here
@@petrucatana2949 right. what did he say?
@@MajesticSkywhale he said, "I found all these weapons and the sea mine"
Fun that Cato is depicted as much older than Cicero here. Should have been the opposite!
Nice Rome Total War I music. Absolutely fantastic editing as well.
Thank you !
Your welcome. Keep em coming! I showed my Professor for Western Civilization and got extra credit.
This show was life changing for sure for me. Everyone played there parts so well.
"Tarkin!! Give me back my legions!!!"- Palpatine on hearing about the First Death Star
I just like how Titus just smiled after Verenus told him to govern his tounge
This is solid Gold. Good job.
The way Cato said ' the darling of Venus' with such contempt dripping from his voice was solid acting 😅
I like how 1/3 is against Caesar, 1/3 with him, and there are bunch of neutrals in the middle.
there were just 3 factions in the senate, conservatives (optimates), reformists (populares) and moderates (same spelling probably).
Crazy listening to these Senators rant, some things never change.
Nothing ever changes. There's Nothing New Under the Sun. It is but the screed of the delusional to speak of progress.
The actor who plays Cato in this is so good. Hell, they're all great. I could have watched five more seasons this show. There was plenty more material, that's for sure.
Great edit! Thank you!
I see politics hasn’t changed much
People might change and die but Idea and politics has never changed.
Thanks for the neat job of editing! Love the way you seamed it all together. I wish the series concentrated more on just the big politics and players of the day. All the extraneous relationship stuff took some real license. That was such a complicated time for politics in Rome. Love it ! We have watched the series over and over. The second season with exception of the first episode is mostly soft porn which trashed every decent character from season one. Pity.
@I Hate Introductions Brilliant use of Rome Total War’s soundtrack on this video
Thanks for the upload!
Notice how Cato refused to wear the white toga with the purple stripe, which indicated Senatorial rank. Instead, he wore a rough, peasant's tunic to show his respect for tradition and simplicity.
He was wearing mourning clothes to symbolize his idea that the republic was dead
A melhor produção televisiva já feita sobre a Roma Antiga. Sem mais... 🖒
This was so well cast.
I appreciate the upload.
HBO was great back than.
Great actors and stories.
I love HBO's Rome! Although, it's not historically accurate I love the characters and authentic feel this show has. I think I'm going to refresh it today!
Oh, to anwer your question, I would probably go with Ceasar.
Btw, Ciaran Hinds' was an excellent choice for this role and Mark Anothony's character portrayed by Jim Purefoy is simply brilliant 😂👏
not historically accurate? in what sense?
there are some fictional variations in a few depictions of certain events, but in general the series is quite accurate. at least compared to pretty much any other media depiction of this period.
The depiction of the daily life of the average roman and the feel of Rome in the 1st century BC is particularly splendid.
daxx77m1 you're crazy bro HBO's Rome is one of the most historically accurate shows out there yes there are some fictional characters but overall it's very accurate in almost every way
Some events and characters are dramatized for the purpose of entertainment, though other than that it is rather historically accurate.
The 2nd season is a bit inaccurate. Mostly because the original plan for 7-8 seasons had to be jammed into a single season meaning a lot of characters got mixed in with each other etc.
RageCake1414 name something that was inaccurate cuz I didn't catch too many if anything at all
Cato’s actor was amazing.
Incredible. Not that the real Cato was that old, but still, the actor did an incredible job.
Almost all of the actors of the major characters are awesome.
The rome 1 campaign map music just adds that extra nostalgia on top.
This was such a brilliant series. Truly epic
This is the pinnacle of a story and acting. Watch the series you won't regret it.
I have been In the Roman Senate, the Julia Curia it still exists, and for its age is in very good shape. It is not large, and is mostly just a single room with high walls. There was some restoration work done in about 2003. I was in it in 1967.
The Senate shown in the show Appears significantly bigger then the real Senate.
Nella serie TV "Domina" la Curia Julia è ricostruita perfetta, anche il pavimento è uguale !
Normally background music can ruin dialogue and the video but the use of Rome Total War music served to enhance it.
don't know why but i keep watching this video everyday, and i keep speaking together with the video out loud the lines"a TRIBUNE OF THE PLEBS"
That's one of my favorite parts too! Had to keep it in there.
Cato’s portrayal in this series was EXACTLY what I imagined him to be. Stone cold. Unyielding. Senatorial Sigma Male.
Ugh
You think an erratic old man is a "sigma male"? The real Cato is one, but this fictional one is not.
@@PRubin-rh4sr That would have been Cato The Elder if anything, this Cato should have been younger than Cicero by 11 years give or take.
Caesar. breaking the law that only favored the patricians under the banner of plebian respect and republic can be no great fault. if you actually study roman law as I have briefly, for a long time a father had a right to all his sons property and income....and could even execute his own son or sell him into slavery even if his son was an adult. and the women had even less rights. the senate in almost its entirety represented this archaic and twisted sentiment along with their ideas of republic. a true republic is voted on by the people of each province or district, these senators were largely hereditary patriarchs who were quite wealthy and not only weren't elected fairly, some not at all. the idea of republic was taken and learned from them, but most else including implementation, roman society represents what not to do.
Great points!
@William Brooke I couldn't have said it any better myself. I do also worry about whether or not people realize that even if they liked the end results following in the aftermath of Caesar consolidating power in Rome, that those actions aren't without future consequences that could open the door more easily for future tyrants to then take over Rome in ways that they wouldn't be in favor of. If that were to happen people should realize Caesar would be in large part to blame.
Caesar was a product of his time himself. He was no better than the other two triumvirate. He just happened to emerge as the winner in the heat of Roman political climate. Was he a better politician? Definitely. Was he a better or even a good leader at all? Hardly. At the end of the day, he was a politician. He was unlike Charlemagne or Frederick The Great whose contributions to their country are mostly positive. Caesar was much more like Napoleon.
@William Brooke Comparing Julius Caesar to Hitler is a really bad way to measure attitudes and achievements, they weren't similar at all.
The best thing Julius Caesar did was having Octavian as his heir, the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire was so need it for them and it's the reason they last so long.
Pax Romana.
@William Brooke Hi there you caught me while i was searching for music ahahaha.
But i guess i can answer you, to your question about Octavian. Basically because Julius saw the potential in what at the moment was a child.
Child that we now turn in the first emperor of the Roman Empire. An empire that last for so but so long (until 1453) that just that is an achievement itself.
So Julius was rigth about the potential of Octavian and his memory was preserve by Octavian and his legacy.
So at the end Julius manage to remain in history untill this days as a part of the Roman Empire history.
Have a great day buddy, take care and carry on :) .
i like what music you used here xD
Snow always melts! - M Anthony Nicely delivered line!
Cicero knew the dangerous situation they were all in at that time.
There's a lot of material to make here from both Rome and Game of Thrones.
*Snows always melt*
Fantastic use of the R:TW soundtrack