Living with an EV in the UK | a One Take Video
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Living with an EV in the UK | a One Take Video
Here's my honest take on the realities of living with an EV in the UK at the moment. This is a one take video from behind the wheel of my Tesla Model Y RWD - it's not as complete as it could be, nor is it perfect, just my take on things as they stand. Are electric cars the future? who knows, but in the meantime I'm pretty happy with this one.
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You are one of the most unbiased reviewers I have watched. Thank you.
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I for one really appreciate these non-sensational type videos, that's why I'm here. So keep it up mate!
Cheers mate 👍
What a breath of fresh air, if you are on the fence about EVs, or anti-them without experiencing, this gentleman speaks the truth. Not all roses but not as bad as some idiots make out.
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Great video, we have 2 EVs and can report it's uneventful. Charging at home is cheap as you say and rarely use public charging but when I do it is getting better and better. Normally ask Google for nearest rapid chargier using voice control and it seems to find me one on route so even that works better. Nice video and honest ❤
Thanks for sharing Pete
I used to spend at least £600 a month on petrol to run a 450hp BMW M3 Competition, but now i spend £5 a month on home charging to run a 500hp Tesla M3 Performance (i do over 20,000 miles a year) which gets free charge and priority parking at work, free road tax, no congestion zone fee, no annual service that used to cost me £1200 a year. The best purchase i have ever made and even when it is freezing outside i just walk outside of the house and get in to the car with warm cabin temperature without needing to scrape the ice off the windscreen. Just amazing. 👍👍
Nice, any jobs going at your place? 👍 😉
and how much of a difference is there for insurance?
@@ibrahimnalbant7635sounds like he is on a salary sacrifice or company car scheme. Insurance is included in the monthly cost. That Tesla will likely be around £1000 a month before his tax and NI savings. It makes sense while BIC is still very low. Won't be forever unfortunately
Oh great, you’re obviously one of those who’s planning on keeping his EV 3 years max.
An EV battery CAN be good for 200,00 miles…….BUT that’s if you treat the battery well. An EV battery is for 1500 charging cycles, so those who automatically put in some charge when they get to work, when they get home, when they go for a coffee, when they go shopping, etc etc etc are ruining the battery for the next owner……the next owner who is now responsible for sorting out your 5 year deficit in personal carbon footprint.
You are wrong about the EV charge cycle. Let’s say Eva have 1500 charge cycles that is a complete 0 to 100% cycle. Most people never take their car lower than 20%, and most people who have workplace car parks probably be only driving a few miles to work, so the 1500 charge title will last years and years. I’ve owned my first Ev for one year now, and only once have I gone below 10%, and that was on a trip to the south coast
The title didn't put me off, I'm still watching, keep them coming. I think we are at the point now that, like you said, that they are just cars fueled by electricity. Same as you I don't understand why people watch video's about EV's if they don't like them or want one. I got a second hand EV with home charging because it works for me and if stops working I will try something else, but I like my E208 GT, born again boy race at 68. keep them coming.
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Hi Jim - Another useful video Thanks-Had our EV for several months now we have the benefit to be able to charge at home assisted by solar - so far a great experience- we live in a rural area with no local public charging so in our case if we could not charge at home would still be using a fuel car as ours covers around 60 miles per day on average-and havnt noticed a loss of battery level much in standing in traffic jams with heater on etc -so to date glad we made the move over to EV 👍
Fantastic!
A couple nights ago I was stuck on the M4 for an hour. Moved 5 miles in that time Id say. My battery display didnt even show it dropping down by a single % in that very dull stop start jam (top tip do not pull up behind a gritter in a jam , I had to hang well back !).
Lights on, heating on at times. (it got too hot sometimes and i didnt seem to be able to geta temp that worked, 18 seemed cold 21 too hot, anything in between was one of those two. It was 4 deg C outside.
On that day i did 180 miles (9090) plus had 50 left showing, so 230 in total, car set off showing 260 (at 90% charged) . So about 10-15% drop for driving on mway at 70 for most of the way.
great video, I too just love my EV6 and fuel costs have gone from just over £1,400 a year to about £170 per year (90% home charging)
I really enjoyed my time with the EV6.
Ev 6 is top notch
OK but how much was the car, not anti EV but relevant if your taking about saving money
And that's great for you. Trouble is 50% of people won't be able to charge at home.
@@rwkh10 How many people can refuel with petrol at home ?
Hi Jim, greetings from Oxford. I went to an EV in September 2019 - a BMW i3. I’m 58, and was anxious about making the leap to EV. It’s work out just fine, and has been a joy to own. Now at just shy of 40k miles. My only expense has been a set of new tyres at 36k miles. I have not had it serviced, BMW want £300 to service it, which involves changing the cabin filter and bleeding the hydraulic brake fluid - pointless! Like you, I mainly charge at home overnight on Octopus Go. This was 5p per kWh, it has since risen to 9p per kWh. A charge from 1/4 to 90% costs me about £1.60, in the summer I get about 180 miles, winter about 130 miles. Lovely to drive, smooth, quiet, powerful. Plan to keep it for many more years, I’ve paid it off now, so it’s saving me a fortune compared to my previous Mercedes C200 estate.
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Just a word of caution, change the 12V battery in the i3 every 4 years, or at the first sign of it not holding charge. They are awkward to change yourself due to their location, but should take less than an hour with the right tools. BMW will charge you £250 to replace one. Just do not put it off, as it going completely dead can lead to a very expensive series of problems, and I am talking in the many thousands of pounds. This is from first hand experience.
I got my EV a couple of weeks after you and I've been quite surprised at how negative a lot of people have been. To live with I'm finding it great. So easy to just jump in and do all the daily journeys a family does these days. The only downside is I would say the range when it's been sub zero is poor. So my Cupra Born was doing 250 miles range back in September. Around town in the sub zero last week that range dropped to 180. Now the temps have come back up to single digits that's a little over 200. Public charging has been hit and miss. Podpoint being my least favoured. I was shocked that a lot of the chargers dotted about the place are only 7kwh. Fast chargers are excellent though. I like my EV and happy to except some compromises for the tax breaks available.
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Like the unbiased view. Says it like it is. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Jim, you knock yourself to much. As eyer, direct, honest, no bull and keep it they way you present... Honest and strange my friend..💯
Cheers mate
Been driving my EV for 3 years and 52,000 miles now. No issues other than minor things, none related to the battery or traction equipment. It’s not even a fancy EV, just a Corsa. It is mainly used for my commute to work (67 miles daily), but also for other short and medium trips. Park at home, charge at home overnight. No issues there, no range anxiety. If you have the right use case, like I do, the EV can be an excellent fit. If you don’t have the right use case, buy something else, no one is forcing you into what to buy. Driving 350 miles a week, the fuel cost difference is huge, having been between £1500 and £1200 each year versus my old diesel Golf depending on the price of electricity. That saving effectively comes off what the car cost me. If I drove less miles, the savings would not be that significant of course and the car would not have made sense for me at that point. Expensive to buy, but fun to drive and cheap to run, they fit some owners needs better than other cars, but in other areas that are not the best choice. Be open minded, do your research without prejudice and you should be able to work out if electric, petrol or diesel is best for you.
Incidentally, after my 3 years of ownership, would I drive another electric Corsa? Well I would prefer a more premium brand like a VW, but honestly I would not be unhappy to drive another one. I have seen year old, 10,000 mile Corsas available from main dealers for £20K and that seems like a bargain to me.
Also battery degradation has been so low over the 3 years / 50,000 has been so low, I can’t even tell if it has degraded. It is a few percent as far as I can tell, certainly no more than 5% of when it was new. That works out at around 5 to 10 miles per full tank for me, so I’m pretty happy with that.
As you say, drive what you want and what suits you 👍👍
Great video. As an EV and diesel owner I can only agree with pretty much everything you say on here. Totally unbiased and balanced. A shame so many people like the sensationalist videos put out by GeoffBuysCars and MacMaster who seem to just thrive and get their revenue from mostly utter drivel about EVs. The heat pump is a bit of a question mark for me especially if you’re having to pay more. The benefits seem to vary a lot and if you’ve got to pay £500-£1000 for one then do the maths about how long that takes you to recoup for a few extra miles especially when cheap charging.
Yeah for me I just didn’t want a car without one and the Tesla came with it as standard. Not saying everyone must have one, just that it was a must for me.
Totally agree, I’d defo have one if it was standard but wouldn’t pay extra. £500-£1000 v the miles that would get you at 7.5p a kWh.
I've driven ev since the first. Nissan Leaf came out in 2013. Never had a problem, never been left stranded. Just been from Newcastle to Bruges in our 40kwh Leaf (via the ferry at Hull) with no problems. 675 in 5 days cost £65. I think they are great, but they're not for everyone.
Exactly mate, not for everyone but we’re happy with ours 👍
In 2017 I drove my 24kwh Leaf from South London to Leith just north of Edinburgh (to Leith in a Leaf - I'm still kicking myself that someone else came up with that). The journey way 437 miles, then 16 miles around Edinburgh in the morning and straight back to London. 890 miles total distance. My range went from 90 miles in London driving to 106 miles driving hundreds of miles on motorways in November. That busted two myths there alone. As I had recently joined Ecotricity who owned Electric Highway the only EV motorway network apart from Tesla I was able to charge for free in England and Scotland didn't charge anyway. ICE drivers NEVER get free petrol and they certainly don't drive 890 miles for free.
Actually Jim, I found that one of your most enjoyable videos. Even as a petrol car driver I found it very informative and, as usual, completely impartial. Wouldn't mind a few more like that, it's a pleasure to hear your fair minded views!
Wow, thanks!
Just plug in when you get home and top up like a mobile its the deep cycling that does batteries in. Ok yours is LFP and dont care if it goes to 100%. 138,000 miles in near 10 years Model S P85 me. My car has no heat pump and it preconditions the battery before Supercharging.
The term "home charger" we have adopted is wrong, when not on a DC fast charger or Supercharger your using the car on board charger and the thing at home is just a connection point allowing up to 7kW on 250v single phase so as you say if your just doing 30 miles a day charge at home well just use the 3 pin "Granny" lead set to draw 10Amps and make sure your socket and wiring is up to standard and you can put in 30 miles overnight. Good realistic video, great choice Model Y RWD.
👍 I knew a local airport taxi chap who was the first to put 400k on a Model S. and it was only ever supercharged (for free at Heathrow), it was in use 24hrs per day / 365 days. Tesla asked for it back for research and gave him a new one! Battery was still going strong.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Tesla have been real good with my "classic" although they say they have teams continuously developing to keep the old cars going no matter what. My Tyre Pressure Monitoring System went Kaput turned out it was the ECU and not available so they said can we keep your car bit a bit we will give you a loaner we will develop wiring harness and software to allow the latest ECU to be fitted so 10 days later Ive TPMS no with the latest on screen pressures display and all at cost only. They said there are teams all over developing hardware upgrades and once sorted its distributed world wide on their system for the benefit of all. Guess this is real Green transport and well impressive, so I keep running my "classic"
@@slartybartfarst9737 Wow, that's very cool
Great vid as always Jim. I think the insurance companies are going to kill off EVs if they’re not careful. I ran a quick quote check on a Renault Zoe the other day, bearing in mind I insure an Audi TT roadster for £179 and a Seat Alahambra for £289 the lowest quoted price was £500 ffs. I don’t think so.
Seems harsh
If Insurance companies base the premium on risk and cost to repair this presumably reflects those costs , EV owners are not being penalised by Insurance companies. I would expect to pay more for my EV than my old classic car that only does 1000 miles a year.
Love your honesty. I totally agree living with an EV is extremely uneventful, and that EV's aren't for everyone.
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Lease a new EV or buy a used EV is Jim’s advice and is spot on. I use a Renault Zoe supposedly as the second car and a diesel that delivers 70 mpg on a run. I won’t buy another diesel and buying a second EV is now tempting as I already have the charger. I will keep on this channel and other honest channels but never click on the sensational channels. Honestly, I respect people who run bangers because banger v EV is a subtle argument but Jim simply points out the little shifts to the argument with solid trustworthy info.
Yes, running a banger works out amazingly well for a lot of people; I’ve never been one of them.
You’re right. No click bait. Just how it is for most EV owners, including us and our two EV’s💚🇩🇰
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I value your unbiased view on EV's. Excellent point about company car drivers and their tax implications, for them EV's are practically a 'no brainer'. I'm still going to run a petrol car (fairly new) for a while but as you imply 'that's my decision'. Your regular video on lease offers again are valued by me, I think I'll be considering that option next. Grateful for all your videos
Cheers Peter. I would never try to talk anyone into an EV, all personal choice at the end of the day and I’d buy another petrol or EV without hesitation 👍
Brilliant video. We’ve had a Peugeot e208 for 14 months and love it (first EV), but want to get a family sized EV to replace our diesel estate next time. Have had a couple of range anxiety moments with longer trips in the Peugeot, so the Model Y is really on a shortlist of one for next time! Just don’t want the hassle if we’re off for a weekend with the kids/dogs finding a working and available charger.
Everyone who’s got a Tesla I’ve spoken to loves them and particularly the supercharger network. I think it’s still 5 years until others catch up. Agree with the boring comments - they just work and aren’t particularly exciting (other than the ridiculous torque).
It would be great to see some more electric estate cars in future. Personally I’m well happy with the Tesla, as is my mate up the road who has the same car.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Yeah been viewing the e308/Astra estate videos recently but no way I’m going to buy one at those prices and the leasing quotes I’ve had so far are sky high. Maybe a good 18 month used one in 2025 would be a good alternative to a Model Y, but I still love the idea of a Tesla (and the kids keep badgering me to get one!).
Great review and attitude, enjoyed your video. I think Tesla is the only sensible EV choice out there when comes to charging network. I can't afford EV nor I've option for home charging(living in a flat), it feels they are so much overprices compare to ICE models. Coming April 2025 they will be taxed with at least £180 and all EV's over £40K will pay £390 for the first 5 years. If EV prices keep going up ordinary middle class people will not be able to afford them. Lets hope Tesla will make a £20-£25K EV for the masses. Currently driving 65 plate family diesel estate with 800+ miles of range, tax is £20, insurance £350, maintenance is affordable. EV's need to become more appealing(price+charging network). Cheers for the good video.
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My main concerns about EV's are: 1) Are they financially viable, seeing that Tesla keeps slashing the prices, Ford and GM seem to be in a mess with sales. The expensive EV seems to be gaining deprecation very quickly. 2) Insurance costs, why are the insurance companies pushing up the costs for EV's way above other cars? Also the Tesla Model Y, why has Aviva got an issue insuring that car? To me it is to do with the cost and loss financially.
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I agree, from a financial pov home charging is a must, and that's the problem. The downside is those that can't get a home charger are probably not that affluent to start with. Gridserve's Norwich forecourt was built because "[in] the immediate 10km radius area also has over 40,000 households with no access to off-street parking to accommodate home charging." It's going to come down to the haves and have-nots in the end. I guess, some will just have to go without.
Yep, although check out what connected kerb is doing. It’ll take years to fully roll out though
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Like rural broadband -- it'll take decades, not years. Also have to take into account that EVs are mandated transition, at some point there will be no alternative. I guess higher taxation, insurance, and fuel costs will be applied to ICE to make them unaffordable at some point because subsidizing EVs to the point Norway did to equalize pricing would be unaffordable in the UK.
Simple and straightforward. Mirrors my experience of driving EVs for the last 4 years.
I'm not looking for excitement. I want reliability, comfort and cheap running costs. My VW ID.3 gives me all of that.
Thanks for sharing!
Hiya,
We have a new Cupra Born. This is our second ev, only reason we sold the first one was range of an e208.
Would never go back to an ice as an ev has such a lovely pick up. No turbo lag when turning a corner on a hill. Also very quiet.
Licked your video, very unbiased.
Regards Phill and Jackie. Worcestershire.
Very nice! what was the real world range of the e208? i love the design of them.
Thank you fellow local, for exactly the kind of video I was looking for. None of the sensationalist crap from either camp, just honest thoughts about the day to day living with an EV, which has helped me make a more informed decision!
Thank you! Whereabouts are you?
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru By Queens Road, over by what used to be the Kia garage
Oh wow, you are close!
I think insurance costs are high due to parts costs and availability. Tesla are focused on building cars not spares?
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A lack of places that repair evs I thought
love the unbiased straight forward talking honest review / feedback.
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Audi have a great deal on for used EVs. I pcp’d a 20 plate etron for £500 down and £320/mth. 2yrs warranty, services included and free charger. I was going to buy another sports car but it’s a bit of a no brainer deal!
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Great video. I’m a petrol man through and through but fully accept EVs work for some people, especially as a second car. Personally I go camping quite a lot towing a trailer etc, and don’t fancy the hassle on long 300 mile trips. However for commuting if u can charge at home it must be very convenient.
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How can anyone be a petrol man? Am I an electric man? If it wasn’t for the cost I might become a hydrogen man. Petrol men will slowly become extinct like old time rag and bone men with horses.
I drive a 52 kWh Renault Zoe and like your self cost next to nothing to run. When travelling long distances I just hire a car as the car isn’t the problem it’s the charge network apart from that my ev is ok for me. 7 years ev owner this is the 3rd ev I have owned. Good honest assessment by yourself 👍
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Omg are you from BMTH? So surreal watching this video, really being hooked into the info and then seeing shop fronts I drive past every day 😂
Proud owner of a super fun 2nd hand Model 3 that I bought looking brand new with 17 months old and 17k miles - To answer your question: tyre rotation cost is £48 at Tesla but probably cheaper at the local tyre shop.
Ferndown :)
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Redhill park here 😅Nice meeting you neighbour!
@@777jrg small world eh
Good honest review, thanks Jim. I don't own an EV, but probably will in the future, I don't think EV is the answer for everyone or every use case, but I think it is for many, for at least one vehicle in two (or more) car households. I would like to see an alternative like hydrogen as well, it will be interesting to see how that technology develops and if it makes sense to transition it from commercial applications to passenger vehicles.
👍 at the moment hydrogen cars use 6 times more electricity than battery cars so still needs a lot of development I think.
What a refreshing review, honest and straight forward without all the spin 👍
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I used to own a Toyota Avensis Estate and paid about £275 pa for insurance. I changed it for a Tesla M3 dual motor. Insurance doubled to about £550. Seemed reasonable for a massive performance increase and much more valuable car. I'm 65 and have a full NCB. I know it'll be a lot higher next time.
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Great to see an honest review... Thank you
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Thank you for a sensible, grown up EV review. So much content is trying to push an agenda. Facts have been lost to shouty opinion. You are doing a great job!
Cheers Adam
Beautifully done. No drama.
It didn’t even catch fire 😁👍
Actually it’s £50 each for the recommendation with Octopus. This is one of the most honest EV reviews I have watched as almost every other video is click baited and has only one purpose which is to put others off buying an EV so, kudos to you.
Ah ok, £50 is better than a punch in the pants so I’ll still let you use the link 😉👍
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru I’ve been an EV owner for more than 3 years & had £100 from Octopus for recommendations.
Hi Jim, this is going to seem like one of those "I'm not hating on EV's.....BUT" sort of questions (that then proceed to hate on EV's). I assure you I'm not hating on EV's, the situation is what it is and we will probably all end up with one in 10 years or so. I agree 100% about maximising the benefits of an EV by having a home charger, I'd save £70 a week on fuel alone (doing 80 - 100 miles a day as a community nurse).
My question is, how do I have home charging without off street parking? I want to get a £10-15k used EV, but can't have a 'charging arm' to reach across the pavement as vandals would trash it (that's if I could park anywhere near my own house), and fast charging elsewhere would cost me around £35-40 for 200 miles which wouldn't make sense. I feel like there is no solution to help me reasonably access EV motoring. The good news is "18 million (65%) of Britain’s 27.6 million households having - or with the potential to have - enough off-street parking to accommodate at least one car" according to the RAC, so 35% of Britain are also in a similar situation, hopefully someone can figure out a solution to help people like me.
I think there’s a lot of work to be done on that front yet mate, check out a company called Connected Kerb, they’re doing a lot in and around London to deal with this problem but there’s a long way to go.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Thanks Jim, I'll check them out. 👍
The only real answer here I think is pavement gulleys for a cable. Once councils pull their fingers out and start doing this. Yes you may have to pay the council to do it, and you will need to always take the opportunity to charge as and when you can get parked outside your own house.
@@paulbuckingham15 good shout
Used your octopus referral link and picking up my model y rwd end of April from tesla. Got a great deal £399pm 10k miles 9 months up front.
You’ll love it I’m sure
Thanks again for a great & most importantly - completely honest video again, Jim. 👍
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nice no drama review as really who cares what anybody drives, its not worth getting excited about....life is too short....
Very true. Drive what makes you happy and let other get on with their lives eh 👍👍
Can't charge at home so petrol for me. Have seen the queues at the local motorway services though ( ionity ) most days not just peak times and have thought maybe not yet even if i could.
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Oddly insurance on my new Renault Mégane E-Tech is actually 12€ cheaper per year than my 11 year old diesel Volvo C30. Whether that is because I am in France I have no idea.
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Our vw e up is fine 160 range £10 a month in electric instead of £110 for fuel on a 1 ltr tsi petrol no contest.
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Thanks for this video Jim, loved the one take wonder format 😊
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Very good, balanced discussion.One observation on running costs.If Electric Vehicles become much more common at some point in the future it seems likely that many users of home chargers for their vehicles will probably want to charge during the night and perhaps early morning hours?If so the cheaper rates that are available now will disappear ?
Yes, perhaps. Althought he growing number of home chargers who also invest in Solar is growing at a rate of knotts. I'm enjoying it whilst it lasts.
Great review. Changed my mind about EV cars. Like you say I think the bad publicity is fuelled by a lot of people who have a vested interest in the good old combustion engine! 👍🇬🇧
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@@longdang2681 it’s 12 years away and you’ll still be able to drive used ICE cars. You never know, we might all be dead by then and you won’t have to change a thing 😘
@@longdang2681 Whether you like it or not oil will run out. Changes need to be made.
In regards to the rise of negative EV news from other youtubers, celebrities and newspapers is partially down to the government in my opinion.
The one thing they could have done to make the transition from fuel cars to EV much smoother, would have been a proper rollout of public chargers, having most if not all supermarket carparks have EV chargers would have been an easy win.
I think giving more people access to home chargers (those without a driveway for example) is far more important. When you have a home charger you very rarely charge publicly.
✌❤ Great video Jim. I have had an Ioniq 38kwh for the last 4 years come next July. 4 Years ago the only realistic second hand EVs were the Leaf and Zoe. Now there is a great choice priced at well below £20k, right now I could buy a later year Ioniq than mine, less miles, for about £13k. I truly am going to be spoilt for choice next year.. If there are the same deals as your recent videos on the Mercedes and ID Buzz next year on LeaseLoco, I'm in 🤣🤣
I think these couple of crazy deals are manufacturers filling end of year quotas but I guess December might be a great time to grab one next year.
Thank you for a simply normal, sensible video! I still don’t understand why everyone is so angry and polarised about a lot of things! Main take away seems to be I need to definitely get a heat pump in a car. I am tempted to test the water on a cheap small second hand one - I’m exactly your use case, could home charge and the majority of my journeys are about 7 miles return 😂
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Good review, but I won’t be getting an EV, at least until I am able to charge at/or very near home. I live in a terraced house so an EV will not be under consideration.
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Really useful video - My wife had just started using a Jeep Avenger and loves it
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Interesting video and I appreciate your unbiased thoughts. I think 2 factors were “overlooked” though, tyres and insurance. You “skimmed over” insurance but it’s an increasingly important factor for EV’s and I’m genuinely interested to know your experience - typically how long do the drive tyres last? I bought a brand new Mercedes eClass Estate (diesel) just over 3 years ago and based upon the local “tyre shop” check last week, I expect to reach 40,000 miles before the first tyre change. We recently drove to France (Normandy and Brittany) having filled the car at home and drove through the tunnel and didn’t need to add fuel until we were back in the UK, which was “just shy” of 900 miles on a tank. I would consider buying an EV as a second car, for my partner and I to do short, local trips (charging at home) but not yet convinced (due to UK charging infrastructure and hassle) for one to be my only car. I agree leasing is the way to go, but the increasing EV costs like insurance will be factored in to new lease deals, making them increasingly less attractive. As you point out, alot of EV growth is through company cars, and that decision by the employees is a No Brainer, but the purchase decision for “normal users” is much more nuanced - Cheers - Peter.
Hi Peter, I don't think I skimmed over the insurance or the tyres. I haven't done enough miles to give you anything other than someone else's experience on tyres but would suggest that, if you drive normally and don't do 0-60 in 4 seconds at every opportunity they should be completely fine; you should also save a small fortune on brake pads. On the insurance front, I covered this fairly comprehensively in other videos and touched on it again in this one, even quoting what I pay. Insurance has risen massively on ALL VEHICLES, it just gets reported on in the mainstream when it's on an EV; again, watch my video about EV's being the devil and read some of the comments in my insurance videos.
I'm sure on your French trip you stopped for a drink and a wee during those 900 miles, just plugging in whilst you did those would have got you home in most EV's with a decent charging rate.
I'm not an EV fanatic (at all) and am not trying to convert anyone here by the way. Drive what you like but get the facts from trusted sources rather than the mainstream tripe.
Thanks for your response - yes, I only stumbled on your channel this morning, I will watch more of your videos - @@DefinitelyNotAGuru
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Did you mean 35 weeks?….ha ha……..if I had that acceleration under my right foot, I think mine would last c 15,000 Tops
Thanks for a great off the cuff video. Very helpful and informative, as I am thinking of going for an EV.
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It’s a no brainer for me I’ve had the MG ZS EV long range for exactly 12 months now I have the OHME home charger and also on the Octupus intelligent at 7.5p per kilowatt hour , Like Jim said its so simple to charge , I have the OHME home charger I set the OHME app to charge between 11.30pm & 5.30am as thats the 7.5p per kilowatt hour rate. I think of how much I used to spend on petrol every month was frightening. I love my car and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend a EV car, in the 12 month I’ve owned it never charged once away from my house.
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Thoroughly enjoying your reviews Jim. Have bought diesels (BMW X5) for years and thinking about a switch to EVs. I’ve had some test drives and see little concern with changing to an EV apart from long distance travel (Lochinver and Los Picos) where the former has no chargers within a 30 minute drive and the latter is more like an hour (even diesel!) - but with planning, I think we’re ok. My challenge is how to pay and when so will book a call with you. Thanks again for your reviews, really helpful 👍
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As usual an excellent honest video. I am now on my third E.V, they are fun to drive and cost me nothing for the electricity to run them because I charge it use when the sun is on my solar panel using a 13amp plug. I only do a small annual mileage but if I needed to do a long journey would just use a petrol car which I also have. Octopus are excellent to deal and the only utility recommended by Which magazine. I would never lease a car because I don't keep them too long and if I buy and trade at the right price do okay.
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Do you think that the octopus deal on ev charging will eventually end when the narrative from the government changes and it will start to cost whatever is required to make up the shortfall in revenue,I’m not trying to be negative but I’m just curious about your thoughts on this
I fthink the Government will do as much as they can to screw over EV drivers once enough have converted.
Hopefully you have updated your Easee charger as they have been deemed unsafe and not meeting the EC standards. The Swedish Electric Safety Authority have ordered these units to be withdrawn from sale throughout Sweden on the grounds that they fail to meet electrical safety standards.
Totally fine over here as far as I'm aware. It was a documentation issue with their regulator I believe; mine hasn't killed me yet anyway.
you are appreciated, mate. Thanks.
The insurance for a private lease scares the bejesus out of me
there is a section in the insurance form where it asked if i owned the car ..... not sure if I put yes or no 🤕
No, you're not the owner or registered keeper - when you answer no there will be a dropdown and you simply put LEASING COMPANY or whatever the equivalent is.
@@DefinitelyNotAGuru Thanks i guess it will be Tesla. I'm going for their Lease
Thanks Joey at last someone says out pound on tv what we all talk about without a voice
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It's Jim actually ;)
Thank you for the video. I remain a sceptic BUT only because I cannot see how the National Grid can possibly cope when all 33m cars have become EV's. Great content though.
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The National Grid have repeatedly stated there will be no issues. The NG say that if 50% of cars switched to being EV's tomorrow, the demand on the grid would increase by around 10 to 15%, because these EV's would need charging only one every 5 to 8 days.....and not everyone would need to charge at the same time. If everyone filled up with petrol at once, then petrol would run out. But of course it just doesn't happen....
Don't really like ev's, liked the honesty, enjoyed the video, nice one dude
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Nice vid, I’ve just found your channel and as I’m considering a lease car for my next vehicle I’m glad I did . I was looking for a balanced view on EV’s and this hit the mark. Unfortunately I’ve no idea what a heat pump is so I’m off to Google it !
Welcome aboard!
thanks Jim - very helpful video.
Glad you enjoyed it
It doesn’t rain when you drive an ICE car. Not sure electric cars are for me. lol 😂😂
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Same car here, white RWD Tesla, same electric tariff, and believe it or not, leased too via business. :)
We used to pay about £240 per month on fuel, since getting the Tesla that's now gone, and because of the 7.5p electric our bill is actually less. Washing machine, Dish Washer & Dryer are all on timers for that 7.5p, it all adds up.. Summer time it's even better, as I can use excess solar to charge the car.
Insurance, I went from a Mercedes A250 AMG, and my insurance went up £30, but I think most of that will be the car is more expensive, rather than been EV.
The negative EV uTube videos are just funny, and I think I know who you are talking about. Doesn't happen to have a Porsche EV by any chance?..
EV fires, yes, it's not just in the UK EV fires are way less likely than ICE, the USA has the stats too. Also the Luton airport wasn't a Hybrid, you can check by doing a vehicle check on the registration, it was just a Diesel. Using USA data getting a fire in a None EV/Hybrid is 1 in 1666. And the chances in an EV/Hybrid is 1 in 79,750. Also worth pointing out the older an EV the less likely of a fire, the older an ICE the more likely.
Anyway, like you, I'm not bothered by the negative uTube videos, in fact I think there a good idea. I don't want everybody owning an EV, because you know for a fact when that happens the government will find some way to Tax us way more, and I'll be back to paying that extra £240 per month.
Yep, I agree Keith - we'll enjoy it while it lasts eh!!! thanks for watching and commenting.
I had a Zoe ZE40 for three years. Couldn't fault it other than I found it very dull and the 22 kw charging was a pain on very long journeys (although slower chargers used to be free so it was almost worth it).
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My EV use is similar to yours.
I charge at home for 95% of the use, and use public chargers a few times through the year. After 3 years I’m yet to have any of the public charge problems like the anti-EV click bait videos would make you believe.
My total driving cost for 3 years / 35k miles is under £900 - about 2.5p per mile. [not a Tesla]
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Carry on ‘not giving a toss’ Jim - always great content from a normal (sorry) guy who is living a normal life.
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Hi Jim , Can you do a video on van leasing like you do with the cars . No one else is doing it .many thanks
I’ve tried it a few times mate but there are 2 problems. Can deals haven’t been all that amazing for a while (not that I’ve looked lately) and secondly, nobody watches the videos when I make them. I’ll maybe try one again in Jan 👍
Thanks for review. I'm picking up brand new model y rwd from tesla in 2 weeks. £3600 down £399 pm 10k miles over 3 year lease hopefully this is 2:35 a good deal, to be honest I'm a bit nervous moving from my bmw 2016 730d xdrive to a tesla
Good choice!
I’m just commenting to push the algorithm 😅
And I’m thanking you for it Tim 👍👍
Great review of a great car. Nice to see a balance to the anti EV lot like Worcester bloke
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On the insurance issue, for Tesla’s especially, it’s is the repair bills that is frightening the insurance companies off. I’ve heard, 2nd hand, of a Model X being involved in a shunt which in a diesel/petrol car would have cost circa £1,200 - £1,500 to repair, whereas the Model Y was written off! It’s one of the only reasons I’d be hesitant to buy an M3. I’ve been following Tesla for the last 3 or 4 years so I’m not anti-Tesla. Keep up the good work. 😊
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Brilliant video, excellent information and funny when speaking about those that criticise. I am just scouring the internet for information on EV's as my son is eligible to a Motability vehicle and I am trying to help narrow down his options. So, I have now reduced the search to the Honda Eny1 - Kia Niro2 - Peugeot GT. I would be interested in opinions as I know very little about the EV market and I would also like to thank you for this video, it has helped me towards finding the best option.
Thanks Peter, to be fair, they’re all decent cars
I'm edging towards the Honda, not sure why as it doesn't have the heat pump you spoke about where the Toyota does but I like the touch pad screen. @@DefinitelyNotAGuru
Great honest video as usual, much appreciated
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Thanks Jim. Honest review as always. One comment for the algorithm .🎉
Thanks for that!
I have an EV and I love it, but only 3% of cars are currently EVs.
Having worked for an electricity infrastructure company, I know the limitations of our current infrastructure.
We need to massively increase power generation and the grid infrastructure before a mass rollout.
Things are great now, but as the percentage of cars that are EVs moves above 10 or 15% it is going to start to get a lot more expensive to charge them.
We need the Government to have more of a sense of urgency with power distribution. A whole fleet of nuclear power stations would be ideal.
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Good video. No axe to grind. I like that. I love my EV except for the charging. The charging is a pain at times. Various reasons for this. Can’t change ‘leccy supplier, can’t charge from home anyway. Local EVSE ‘s are invariably broken and what’s left is 7kw only. But two years and 30,000 miles later I’m still driving. My car isn’t an investment as some say. It’s a tool for me to get from A to B.
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Brilliant, really enjoyed the journey. 1 year on with my EV love it, a real delight to drive and charge. Thanks!
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Thanks for an honest video. There is far too much codswallop about them from the anti EV brigade. If I could afford one, I'd have no hesitation, but for now I'll have to stick with my old 07 plate Renault Laguna.
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[23:40] Don't give the trolls any leeway with their lies. Let's be clear. The car that started the fire at Luton Airport was a Diesel Range Rover Sport. It was NOT a hybrid. That was just a desperate troll attempt to still link the fire to an EV battery when it became clear it wasn't an EV responsible. Nor should you give any oxygen to the idea that the presence of EVs would make the fire worse. An arsonist went to a Tesla Giga Factory car park and intentionally set a couple of Teslas on fire. Despite there being 20 odd cars tightly parked together the fire only spread to about 10 of them. And NONE of the batteries caught fire. They burned the same as any other car would in the circumstances. You give trolls an inch and they will take a mile.
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As we were in the position where we need to replace her car we've just bitten the bullet on leasing an EV for my wife to use for her local journeys in her job as a carer, circa 120 miles per week. Looking forward to not paying the fuel, VED, MOT and servicing costs which will effectively halve the leasing cost.
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Hopefully you approve of a cheap e-C4@@DefinitelyNotAGuru
Awesome thanks for your efforts and sharing your experience with us ❤
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Operational costs through home charging is a very striking argument, thus don’t forget on the long run the taxes the government looses on gas distribution will be switched to EV as well . Here in France all new cars ( IcE and EV) will be charged with malus depending on weight disadvantaging already EV since heavier . This is a first step . Possible next step Intelligent power supply boxes will be linked to home charging operations with specific power supply categories. There is a proposal to charge all cars on mileage you run annually. For the remaining comments I agree EV are simple to operate and will reduce all maintenance operations to almost nothing they are the future . But don’t forget your local grid connection for the wall box will be subject to a prior authorization in your living area as it is the case already in Switzerland and in Germany to check available power supply .Clearly all the manufacturer of EV’s will bring new models with smaller and more efficient engines and batteries and so on but the pace of transformation is limited through the existing local grid essential for home charging . Just consider a condominium block of say 50 flats and 50 Evs sucking at least 3-7 kw / h overnight even more than during peak slots at around 6 to 10 pm , Those supply lines may not be available in existing housing . For the next years to come all house owners could or should potentially switch to EV’s for sure provided that local power grid is strong enough. But I believe the whole upstream power supply and charging for the wider community is not properly planned and I suggest to all EV bloggers praising this technology to investigate on this topic with local authorities . You will see that at least here in France with vast rural areas people own mostly small ICE cars over 10 years old worth 4-10 k£ and are waiting not only for more batteries range at lower cost but for safe power supply remembering winter 2022 governments warning of potential power supply cuts due to 40 % of nuclear power plants on works .
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Tesla’s are lighter than BMWs
Good video, good news on charging and servicing, not so good news on insurance. I am hoping to get a second hand EV in the next year or two. I’m hoping by then the insurance will have calmed down and there will be some decent deals.
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I went ev this year and I wouldn’t go back. I have a Model Y RWD on lease too.
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Just out of interest what’s the monthly cost and deposit or is it a company car cheers
@@s9ennyI got mine on a 3 month deposit 3 years lease at around £540 including VAT a month. Mine was from existing inventory and an end of quarter deal.
I'm curious.
If you take into account the monthly cost of the car (leased or purchased, with depreciation taken into account), does it really cost less to run than an older ICE car?
I budget £1000 a year for maintenance, repair, MOT, tax and insurance costs. The car is 15 years old. My diesel fuel cost is around £1800 a year. 10,000 miles. Call it £3k a year.
With a new tesla or most EVs, I've worked out that it'd cost me about £3k in about two months, so about 6x more expensive.
The running cost of an EV doesn't seem to be the issue. It's everything else.
To be clear, are you comparing the cost of a new car vs a 15 year old one? I think you’re barking up the wrong tree if so.
You’re also surely having a laugh if you’re claiming to tax, insure, repair and maintain a 15 year old motor for £1,000 per year? No?
There’s zero shame in running an old car and fair play to those who do, but your comparison, to me, feels like comparing the price of fish to the price of a bananas. Very different things.
I have owned an ev for two years. In that time I have only had five completely fault free public charging session. Long distance travel is a traumatising nightmare. Then you have to add the additional charging time for any long trip. As a general rule, any long journey will take 50% longer than the same trip in an ICE vehicle. Additionally depreciation on an ev is staggeringly high. I have lost around 50% of the new value in two years. So, would I recommend an ev to anyone?
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12:10 😅 for a second there, I thought you were driving off a cliff.
I was on a road behind Bournemouth Airport, about 10 mins from the coast so I escaped death this time 😁👍
After 9 years of driving EV’s, I can confirm that it is pretty uneventful… no defrosting on an icy morning, getting into a cool car in the height of summer, 100 miles for a couple of quid, tyres and brake pads that seem to last for ever… 😇🤷♂️😎 Just stop telling everyone, as if demand goes up, second hand prices might go up 🤫
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