Henry Santiago idk if your a brother but I had this same thing happen to me I personally think it's the demons who are testing us right now but you know what if we end up surviving we may have the last laugh but.. if they are willing to accept jehovah then there spared
I had a JW come to my door a few years ago, I asked the lady if she believed that only 144,000 people were going to heaven, she said Yes. I then asked her how many people followed JW Faith, she said millions. I then asked her how does she knows she is one of the 144,000? She said we have different beliefs and to have a nice day. I told her the same and that Christ died for all of us.
Wittneses beleive they will be resurrected on earth not heaven. There will be a few people that have the heavenly calling. But most will be ressurected to earth.
That always gets them.. And that Jehovah is a false name its truly yahweh or YHWH translated Jehovah in English. They hate that someone knows original Hebrew.
She should've said, that she doesn't have a heavenly calling and she hopes for an earthly life. Just because JWs believe that only 144 000 will be resurrected to heaven, that doesn't mean that only the 144 000 will be saved.
It's a gentle approach, but if I were a JW missionary I still might still be offended by the bold claim that my religion is, on a central issue, false. That's not to say I couldn't instead be appreciative of genuine good-faith critique.
@@jazzbassf There's people of every faith that are treated in mean or offensive manners. Watch morman critique videos and you will see much the same. However while there are mean and offensive comments, most people commenting under this video have not been mean or offensive.
JP Beauregard isn't your Jesus part of a trinity? Isn't the trinity a mystery? So how can you know Jesus if he is a mystery? To know God and Jesus means everlasting life....so the simple answer is. You do not know Jesus !
@@samuelcristea4196 I was a Catholic for 30 years and the trinity did not make sense to me, so I asked the priest to explain and I still couldn't make sense, his answer to me and all the Trinitarians I spoke with tell me it's a mystery.
@@jazzbassf I don't know what they teach at the Catholic church, but based on the bible, we know that Jesus, being part of the Holy Trinity, is God's son and God in one. He is equal with God as mentioned in John 10:30 which states "I and My father are one." Jesus paid a debt no one could pay by dying on the cross for our sins (which I'm sure you know). So if we sin, we can repent of that sin by crying out to God in forgiveness. But after obtaining this grace and mercy from God, Paul says in Romans 6:1, 2 that this does not get us a free pass to sin. Read this passage, “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:1-11 God created a way for us to become righteous, not by our own works, but through him. Glory and praise to the father!! God bless you my brother/sister in Christ. I pray he works on your heart as you seek him. Let me know if you still have any questions.
@@debbievilleneuve9799 if you're in harmony with the Lord's, then God is working through your organization. No.1 the sanctification of the Fathers name Ezekiel 36:23 I will sanctify my great name which was profaned and the nations will have to know I am Jehovah. Jesus made God's name known at John 17:6. The name Jesus means " JEHOVAH is Salvation" no.2 is the Kingdom, Jesus was sent by God to preach the Kingdom Luke 4:43 "for this I've been sent to preach the kingdom of God "... No.3 God's will done on earth as in heaven, if Heaven is a paradise , then it's God's will done for earth to be a paradise too. Psalms 37:29 the righteous themselves will possess the Earth and live forever upon it " the Earth will never be destroyed Ecclesiastes 1:4 which says a generation is coming a generation is Cohen but the Earth remains forever" so if you are in harmony with the Lord's Prayer then God is working through you just like Jehovah's Witnesses who are in harmony with that prayer. Many blessings to you if you can see what the Bible says about whom God is using.
My dad was an Old Baptist preacher and he actually invited JWs into the house to sit down and speak with him. He had one young lady very interested in our beliefs and asking him questions, and the older lady (who was clearly the "leader") practically dragging her out of our house so Daddy couldn't convert her! 😅
So will he convert her to paganism, which is Christendom, they celebrate Pagan christmas, pagan easter, Pagan trinity, pagan immortality of soul, pagan Hellfire?
@@ericsmith1508 the Lord's prayer is all I need to know Matthew 6:9,10 John 17:3 to know the Father and his son means everlasting life. You'll notice no mention of third person. The trinity is a false doctrine see John 17:3
@@jazzbassf classic Christianity shows the true dates of the nativity ( late September) and Easter( the full moon Passover in April).. hell is the absence of God, allegorical to fire 🔥
Thank You Mike. Please Keep The Scripture's Coming. I'm a severely disabled old man, I have 4 sisters and a brother whom are Jehovah's Witnesses, I Want too wake them up before I Die. May God Bless You in the name of our father, Christ Our Lord & in The Holy Spirit !!
@@lionrugissant my question is why is The amen the first of Gods creations rev 3:14 ? If Jesus is God why was he a created being ? I don’t think our eyes need to be open but perhaps the other way around . Easy to cast a stone when you listen to this nonsense. Are we hated because we obey what’s taught in the bible ? Because we don’t celebrate pagan Christendom events , don’t fight war or accept transfusions? Or is it because we go house to house , door to door spreading the Good news of the kingdom to come and teach people about what the ransom sacrifice means for the future ?
@@shaydenwadleyfirst off, you are not hated. As Christians our hearts break for you that you do not know the freedom that there is in Christ. All of those works you are doing are not earning you salvation and are wearing JWs down, giving them a very high depression rate. You are told to isolate yourselves and not become friends with those who don't believe the same things as you. Why is the JW faith not strong enough to stand being friends with those of different belief systems? Jesus never tells us to only talk to others if we think we can make them believe the exact same thing as us. Our hearts break as we hear the things that the organization is telling you. That you need to be prepared to do whatever they tell you. Jesus wanted us to have a relationship with Him and to follow Him. Not to be so dependent on an organization to tell us what to do. Praying for you Shayden. That you may learn of the hope and freedom that come from following Christ.
@@whitespringkids222 I have friends who aren’t Jehovahs witnesses so where did you hear that from ? Jehovahs witnesses are persecuted all around the world for sharing the Good news . I’m not sure why you think we don’t follow Christ ? Jesus is king of the kingdom , Jehovahs anointed son . he has set the example of how we should live our lives . So where do you find your information from ?
I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and spent 40 years as a die-hard advocate. Through life traumas, God showed me the truth about that cult, and I was finally exposed to the real gospel. Just as Jesus was worshiped by His disciples when He appeared to them after His resurrection, we Christians today do rightly worship Him as God the Son.
You just made my day! I have had good friends who were JW’s and I learned bitterly, that that is one HARD religious cult for people to escape from. I am so glad you are set free.
@@shylahtaeroni5454 I, just exactly like Neil van de Grasse Tyson (whom I saw just a couple of weeks ago in Oakland, CA) am an atheist and believe god to be a creation of man. So, please explain to me....Who/What created this hypothetical God?
Okay I started watching Mike recently after seeing all of his professional and knowledgeable Bible videos, so I am SHOCKED he started out as this. I’m not complaining though; this is golden! XD
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain. Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know? More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles. The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.” When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
@acousticcade3889 Jesus never claimed to be God, yet there are tons of scriptures that show Jesus is not God but the son of God, and just one scripture of many is Jesus remained modest, always directing all glory to his Father: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative.” “I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.”-Luke 18:18, 19; John 5:19, 30; 8:46; 14:6. In the book of Revelation the glorified Lord Jesus Christ repeatedly speaks of his Father as “my God.” At Revelation 3:12, for example, we read: “The one that conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.” This is in full harmony with Jesus’ earlier statement to Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.”-John 20:17
@acousticcade3889 First of all if The holy spirit was a person it would be mentioned primarily in John 1:1 and there is no mention because it's not, there are only 2 mentioned which is God Jehovah, and Jesus , What is your point on John 4:25-26? or question?
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you..... did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing... I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.. It seems Mr winger came up with this on his own, hence why it fails....again.
@@ottooctavius585 explain this! Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves” (John 14:9-11).
As an (ex) JW, I loved it when people would share their faith with me and have a discussion. Two christians of sincerity talking about spiritual matters is so uplifting. I truly believe that no Christian denominations on earth have got it completely right, but I continue to worship God to the best of my ability in spirit and truth.
Fayley A.....I'd much rather have a chat with the late Carl Sagan, who had a realistic view of the immensity of the universe we all reside in and but most of all, our total insignificance within it.
Very true, no Christian denomination has it 100% correct, however there are some NON NEGOTIABLES, and the deity of Jesus is 100% a non negotiable. Therefore, JW is not and never will be a Christian denomination.
@@AMcDub0708 So, please explain something to me. If there is any veracity to ANY religion, why are there over 2500 currently existing today on this planet? And.....just how does anyone go about selecting the "correct" religion when ALL believe theirs is the right one? BHE In my early years I attended church regurlarly, but gradually grew away and gave up attending entirely over 50 years ago. I am now pushing 83 and a sincere atheist. There are over 400 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy and the Hubble Deep Field photos of the late 90's revealed over an estimated two trillion galaxies. With this knowledge in hand it is preposterous for anyone to believe we are somehow the center of a mythical god's creation. BHE
@@blackholeentry3489 So you look at the billions of stars and that's evidence to you that God DOESN'T exist? That just further proves His existence for me. You were created in the image of God and he sent his Son, Jesus, to die for us and give us eternal life despite our sinful nature, if you are to accept Him.
To the people in the comments saying how they just get rid of the Jehovah Witnesses; The point is not to push the Jehovah Witnesses away. It is to inspire them to think so that they may accept the Lord Jesus into their hearts and be granted eternal life into heaven.
@@arthurdonehower6115 No they don't. JW's deny the deity of Jesus. That's a ridiculous heresy, given that Jesus Himself told everyone that He is God. It's why they crucified Him.
I’ve been somewhat befriended by a JW who I’m planning on meeting next Saturday. Your videos are sooo helpful... you’re equipping so many people to help them show JWs the way to Christ. Thank you so much for this!
My grandpa always got out his own Bible and corrected them on their views, eventually they just stopped coming to his house. Pretty sure they put a big red X on his house on their map 😂 I’ll always miss watching him tell the JWs “you’re wrong” lol
The Bibles are not much different. And most use a tablet now with the app on. The app let's them use not only their version but also let's them see the King James version and others. At least they have something in place for when people do have questions.
Good advice. May I also recommend using the following... Open the door with your Bible in hand and go to John 14:6. Keep the discussion and focus on that verse because it puts the focus on JESUS. This has proven to work for me. They stop coming to my house because they saw my license plate (JHN 14 6) and I would not let the discussion get off that verse. Proven effective!!
@Davidjon Daddy. Coupled with your "verse of the day," the question could be asked of them "Why does the Watchtower claim to be "the truth" when Jesus Himself already said that HE is the Truth?" "THE truth" is very specific (not 'a' truth') and it is JESUS, not the Watchtower. You have a great method. I hope I added to it a bit. Blessings!
@@marko0944 Hello! No one is saying not to believe in Jesus. Of course we need to. He himself says in John 14:1 to believe in God and ALSO in him. It doesn’t mean they are the same being. JW’s believe in Jesus as “the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” (Matthew 16:16) Who is the living God according to the Bible?
I grab my 6’ walking stick, take off my shirt, fling open the door, and yell in my best Gandalf voice, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!” Works every time. And if you have guests seated at your table, this really adds to a memorable dinning experience.
Honestly as a Jehovah’s Witness, most of us have gotten guns pulled on us, (sometimes more than once) when we go up to a door, or just screamed at lol so if you invite us in we get really happy wether your polite or not. Also you can always just put a sign on your door that says “no watchtower people” lol 😂 or just no Jehovah’s witnesses. Also if you put a sign that says “no soliciting” even though we aren’t, some Jehovah’s witnesses won’t knock because they don’t want to make people angry.
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you..... did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing... I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.. It seems Mr winger came up with this on his own, hence why it fails....again.
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain. Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know? More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles. The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.” When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
@@ottooctavius585 At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain. Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know? More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles. The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.” When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
It's so funny that i found this video. I can specifically remember being a young kid hanging out at my grandparent's home and that's exactly what they did when JW's came to the door. Grandma: "Quick close the curtains! It's Jehovah's Witnesses again!!" 😂 Ah ... good times!
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you..... did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing... I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.
Over the years, the best method I've found to permanantly rid yourself of the JW pests......I have a seven gallon bucket of stinky sinkwater sitting by my front door.....works wonders and I've only applied it's cold magic once as word quickly spread both north and south of the border. Fact is....they even quit coming on my ENTIRE street and/or within seven blocks of my house! My ex SIL, who is a practicing JW, took my side when I divorced her sister 20 years ago, and tells me they do have in their possession a "Do NOT call list." I surely must have been placed upon it, cause praise whatever powers that be, haven't even seen a single JW in the entire neighborhood in over ten years. Halleluja! Praise Holy Scornapitza! BHE
They did say oppressive wolves would enter among the flock and not treat it with tender care . Apostate Christendom who have deviated from the pure teachings of Christianity. I’m glad to be part of Jehovahs great organisation under the rulership of his son Christ Jesus . Jesus gave all praise to his father he will not be happy when he returns to see what has happened .
I like it. When Witnesses come to my door, I engage them in polite conversation and often end up asking them if 'Jesus lives in their hearts'. "Do you have the Spirit of Christ in your heart" I ask? If you don't, the bible says you don't belong to God. It always makes them think. Good video, thanks :)
@@jamesneale8131 There are actually quite a few scriptures which state this. For instance Colossians 1:27 "Christ in you, the hope of glory". Also in Romans 8:9&10 which says that if the Spirit of GOD doesn't dwell in us we can't please Him -- then right after it repeats "But if anyone doesn't have the Spirit of CHRIST, he does not belong to to Him. (So Spirit of God is the same as Spirit of Christ -- that's oneness) Then in verse 10: "And if Christ is in you. . ." Of course, to be more exact God / Jesus lives in our hearts via the Holy Spirit.
@@jamesneale8131 better read the bible amd talk to the holy spirit man. I can also explain it to you, but i perceived that you dont have communion with the Word of God.. you need to talk to God personally everyday
I want to personally thank you Mike Winger. Mr. Winger you have really opened my eye for my need to study, and understand the word of God. Oh Here is another verse about Jesus being equal with God. In the beginning was the "word" and the word was with God and the word was God.. Later in the chapter proclaims the word became flesh and dwelt among us. That would be Jesus.
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain. Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know? More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles. The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.” When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
They came to my door this morning and I showed them verses 17 and 18. Apparently it made all the JWs on the block run away. Please pray for them. Thanks!
@@NickHawaii Matt 5:22 (NWT): "However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful+ with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice" NWT here has Jesus stating that if one becomes angry (wrathful), then they have sinned. Jesus got angry twice, so the NWT states that Jesus is a sinner which invalidates the Gospel. The word/concept of 'continued wroth' isn't even represented in the original Greek that I can tell for this verse.
Starwars is Dead Sadly that's not what the NWT is saying at all. Right now I'm actually putting my hand on my forehead, shaking my head back and forth. It's actually painful to hear someone literally butcher the text and the understanding of the NWT, as bad as you just did. The NWT translation is in fact not saying that if someone becomes angry, that they have sinned. This is in direct conflict and violation of what the scriptures teach. For instance, the Greek translated word for anger at Matthew 5:22 is "orgizo". Definition #1 is to "be angry", and also "is positive when inspired of God, and negative when arising from the flesh." To further confirm that anger can be a good thing, and is not in of itself a sin, is further confirmed at Ephesians 4:26, were we read "Be wrathful, but do not sin." Please quote this from your favorite translation. The Greek word for "wrathful" here at Ephesians 4, is the same Greek word that is used at Matthew 5:22 for "anger". Therefore the scriptures indicate it is okay to become upset, if someone verbally or emotionally abuses you, or if you in fact see injustice taking place. You can in fact get upset, and justifiable anger is not in of itself sin. However as the scriptures indicate, just do not sin. It is when anger gets out of control, and a person loses his temper, that sin is likely to result. So therefore the NWT has rendered the text correctly, in that harboring resentment, or holding on to anger toward a fellow believer, for quite a period of time will result in sin. Finally the Borean Bible translates Matthew 5:22, similarly to the NWT, we read "But I say to you that everyone being angry with his brother"...
@@NickHawaii yes. Your bible somewhat follows Alexandrian text. That is where you get a passage that make christ a sinner. Your bible contradicts itself. Matt 5:22 "borean bible" aka minority text. "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment." ANYONE including the speaker himself since this quote is before the cross. So ephesians can say whatever it wants. It contradicts itself. Who is telling the truth here? Jesus? Paul? The usage of it was orgizomenos, "being angry with". The quote gives no context of which anger. Just anger. Moreover it is a direct command from Jesus about anger so referencing God in this context makes no sense since this is about contrasting people against sin and anger. Not God and anger. Most scholars side with the byzantine text for issues like this. But to accept that is to accept also that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
Starwars is Dead Yes the form used of this word was ὀργιζόμενος, a present passive participle verb form of the word. it comes from the root οργη, meaning anger. that Jesus showed anger, got angry on several occasions is beyond dispute. "For example, the anger of Jesus was not simply “spiritual” anger; it was real anger (Mark 3:1-6) which sometimes involved inflamed speech (e.g., Matt. 18:1-6; 23:1-39; cf. Gal. 5:12; Rev. 16) as well as physical violence (John 2:15)" Holmgren, F. C. (1987). Israel alive again: a commentary on the books of Ezra and Nehemiah (p. 155). In fact the Dictionary of Bible themes section 2009 is entitled "Jesus Christ, Anger of" which details every place Jesus showed anger. So a student of the Bible needs to reconcile verse 5:22 with the fact that Jesus got angry on occasion. Most translations are vastly inferior to the NWT translation in translating the present participle as "is angry", "are angry" with exceptions of the NEB and REB (an update of the NEB) that have "nurses anger". These other translation give the impression that just to get angry is a sin, which Ephesians 4:26 and Ecclesiastes 1 for instance proves that it is not, (unless all hate is without anger, LOL). The NWT translators understood that while on many occasions the present tense/aspect of a verb may be simply translated with the present tense forms of 'to be', is and are, the context and general knowledge of the subject must also be consulted as to whether the continuous action of the verb -which also can be nuanced in the present tense needs to be emphasized. The continuous action of the verb is emphasized by the NWT by the NWT rendering, "continues wrathful", hence the long duration of anger against one's brother is emphasized by the the NWT, NEB and REB, but virtually all other translations cause Jesus to be a hypocrite with their un-nuanced translations. Hence your argumentation is actually against all OTHER translations that do not pick up on this nuance, so they make Matthew 5:22 sound as though it is wrong to ever get angry, tell Jesus that . Most translations state they follow NA28 as their translation source whereas NWT follows WH. Yet majority of translations switch to following the wescott/hort greek text at Mark 1:41 and read 'moved with compassion' following the greek verb in WH, σπλαγχνισθεις, having been moved with pity, instead of the Greek text they usually follow, NA28 which actually has a form of orgizo, ὀργισθείς, having been made angry, hence another proof of Jesus becoming temporarily angered, having the emotion of anger. note the following. "The NIV describes Jesus as “filled with compassion.” What the NIV does not note is that a very old and important manuscript (D) reads “filled with anger.” In this context and coming from Jesus, anger initially seems wrong. That may argue for its originality, however, since copyists tended to change difficult readings into more acceptable ones. Moreover, the fact that both Matt 8:3 and Luke 5:13 omit the word in their retelling of the story is more explainable if the original word were “anger” than if it were “compassion.” Anger may not be as offensive as it first appears if one recalls that in Judg 10:16 “[God] became indignant over the misery of Israel” (RSV), much as Jesus does here. If “anger” was the original reading, it must clearly mean that Jesus was indignant at the misery of the leper (so John 11:33-38), for Jesus willingly healed him. As though the leprosy were dispelled by holy wrath, Mark declares, “Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cured.” Edwards, J. R. (2002). The Gospel according to Mark (p. 70). Eerdmans.
AH YES. PEAK MIKE WINGER 😂😂😂 So glad I've found these! Side note: I greatly appreciate your content Pastor Mike. It's really helped me think biblically about the things that go on in the world! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I feel that anytime I hear that infamous JW knock, I’ll also see the clouds open and the sun shine through with a voice singing “YOU DON’T HAVE TO HIDE WHEN JEHOVAH WITNESSES COME TO YO DOOR OH!”
I don't know much about Jehovah witness(es), but I had a couple of elderly jw ladies who knocked on the door this afternoon. Quick side note I'm a new Christian - gave my life to Christ September 12, 2019. Following the short small talk with the ladies I told them as they walked up, I'd rcd a strong presence of the Holy Spirit and just prior I was also in the house listening to a sermon/podcast about the book of Revaluation. Then with excitement I raised my hand up high and said "Lord Jesus, please come back soon!" I am 100% confident that the Holy Spirit was making intercessions on my behalf. Praise Jesus 🤲🙏🙌👏
It’s important to remember Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But all three are distinct persons. Jesus was fully human as well as being fully God. In his humanity he did not want to suffer and was tempted in all points as we are. But his essence was still God.
@@---qb1bf Jehovah is the father of Jesus people think that Jesus and Jehovah is the same they’re not u don’t have to go off Bible if u feel it’s fake but I started studying not to long ago and I love JW the Bible really speaks to me and answers my questions
@@---qb1bf definitely thank you for that spiritual encouragement Ik every brother and sister isn’t perfect but I love JW and I love Jehovah so much he’s taught me so many things that help me so much principals and Bible scriptures that help with the principals
I decided to give the JWs love and a pineapple plant. I showed them our dragon fruit plants and we discussed the beauty of God’s creation. My heart was filled for compassion for them, they are “so close” yet so lost without Jesus and who he really is. Please pray the seeds sown will bear good fruit by the work of the Holy Spirit.
Are you saying we don’t believe in Jesus ? Jesus is king of the kingdom he set the example for us on how to live our lives . Was lovely of you to be civilised with our fellow brothers. . Jehovahs creation is amazing . Have you read Rev 3:14 and proverbs 8:22-30 may I urge you to check it out and let me know what you make of it . Thank you
I love it when JWs come to my door. I always lead them into a gospel conversation. Now I have even more provocative tools to use. Thanks for the video.
A bucket of stale fishwater works wonders. After a thorough dousing, JWs crossed my entire street off of their calling list. I've not seen a JW on my entire street in 20 years or even in the general area after I applied my techique on them, making sure I thoroughly doused their Awake proganda sheets.
Jordan Rector: I think you are right. Occasionally Mike should inject some humor into his videos. I realize they are serious topics, but some humor could be beneficial. Mike Winger and I don't always agree straight down the line, but I like his videos.
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you..... did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing... I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.
R H did you not read in the scriptures that anyone who loves mother ,brother, sister more than me is not worthy of me, also the enemies of your household will be your family.
@jazzbassf fenderjazz I know that scripture very well. Micah chapter 7 is were Jesus got that from check it out. Micah 7:5-6 Do not put faith in your companion Or trust a close friend. Guard what you say to the one who lies in your embrace. 6 For a son despises his father, A daughter rises up against her mother, And a daughter-in-law is against her mother-in-law; A man’s enemies are the men of his household.
@@rh3309 so tell me RH why are people turning against you and disrupting the family is it because you're studying the Bible? What are they afraid of everything Jehovah's Witnesses believe in is in the Bible
I'll pray that she continues because John 17:3 says this means everlasting life they're knowing you the only true God and the one who you sent Jesus Christ
Bruh...like literally few days back God lead me to read this chapter and I found the exact two verses to stand out, ofc my intention to search it is because my Grandma kept quoting me that verse where Jesus says that the Father is greater than Him(which is undoubtedly from the same chapter having a context). I'm blown away by God's Faith it's just good. He never fails His promises and He's definitely gon save my grandma from the cult!!! Please keep her and my family in your prayers, and God bless you Bro. Mike and all the others reading, thank you:)💗🔥
1. Where do your beliefs come from. I sugest they come from a person in the last few centuries who proclaimed new teachings which have no historical basis. Why should i believe this person, did he do miracles to prove he was from God? Do your beliefs match up with first century Christian beliefs? If not, why? Do you believe Christianity was wrong until your organisation turned up? If so, why do you believe any of it, including the bible?
Good follow-ups! They work well for anyone (Mormons, etc) who had "added to or taken away" from the Bible. . Basically, if the Bible is insufficient, then why trust any of it? Jesus affirmed the Old Testament, and he proved what the inspired NT authors say about him thru miracles and the resurrection. Christianity all hinges on Jesus being trustworthy, and in the end we trust him with our souls or we do not.
This was superb material to prepare myself with the inevitable 'knock on the door' and cope with and possibly plant some seeds in the heads of a Jehovah Witness. Thanks and God Bless
soccertoons What did Jesus answer? Did he say yes I am or ... look at Vs 19. The son can do nothing of himself?????? Sure a real claim to equality ... not. He can do only what he sees the father do and then .... vs 26 makes it worse trinitarians is Jesus has to be given life in himself, he does not have it naturally. Context counts more than fake claims.
In my experience, I've found a seven gallon bucket of ice water, complete with ice cubes, works wonders. No JW has knocked on my door in over ten years and, in fact, I haven't even seen one on my street in all of that time. My ex SIL is a JW and tells me they do have a ''Do not call list."
Thanks man....this young kid approached me at the bus stop yesterday and thought it was nice but didnt want to make him feel bad and thought to refresh on questions to ask them for the next run in!!!!
I so appreciate this bc I met the sweetest older woman & her Down's syndrome granddaughter recently. It took a minute, but then I realised the were witnesses. They are now texting me with Bible study videos & asking me to do Bible study with them. I want desperately to end it, but nicely and with something they can understand.
Have them read Psalm 7:9, then Jeremiah 17:10, and finally Revelation 2:23 (all from the NWT) out loud for you. Ask them "who is speaking?" after they finish each verse.
Hahahahaa I love you so much Mike! I've been diving into your more recent stuff and ran across this. I've really only experienced the more serious topics and hadn't experienced you in this light before. I enjoyed it very much 😁
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain. Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know? More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles. The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.” When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin.
M b you guys are depicting your own future. Listening to some guy on TH-cam , rather than studying and reading books and understand why things are the way they are. Why these “trinitarians” thoughts came to be, and why the Bible NT is tricking people because of all the switch of words.
@@ezequieldiaz7282 Revelation 12:18 - 19 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. The Bible is the Word of God.
As an exJW my favourite starter is: According to the NT who has the name that is greater than any name? Another follow on is: The Bible agrees with you that we are Witnesses. But according to Jesus's final words, who are we witnesses of? It can get a discussion because of their obsession with the name Jehovah.
I have a number of approaches, but perhaps one of the best is to say, "I will become a Witness if you can show me that Jerusalem fell in 605 BC, from a source OTHER than the Watchtower organisation." I realise this is obscure to a non-JW, but this date is key to their prophetic timeline, and if it's wrong - which it is, Jerusalem fell in 586 BC - much of what they claim collapses like a house of cards. You will not get them to admit they're wrong to your face, but they will go home and check. And then their problems begin.
Regarding 607. Bc. Absolutely. The temple was rebuild in 537 BC. !!! The SCRIPTURES SAY the jews were in captivity for 70 years !! Jw just agree with scripture!! Realize,, the event of temple destruction wasn't recorded untill much later. The process of relocating jewish people to babalon was achieved in 3 phase, of about 7 years. THE THRONE OF JEHOVAH ( TEMPLE) WAS DESOLATE IN 607. THE CITY OF JERUSELUM WASNT VACANT UNTILL 587 BC. Perhaps certain people should study more , complain less!! 😢😢😢😊😊
I lived in an area where there’s some pretty aggressive and relentless JWs that would routinely pound on my door. There’s always two of them- one is experienced, and one is inexperienced. And they always have a pitch. The aggressive one, the one who starts the conversation, or attempts to start the conversation with you at the door has more “experience”. I had a good friend in high school and elementary school who was raised in the JW religion, so I had a lot of exposure to their crap. Anyway, on this particular day, I got my door banged on by them. I knew who they were before I even opened the door. The experienced one throws her pitch out at me immediately, and hers was, “We are here on ‘Christian’ business, and we know that everybody is worried about all the terrible things that are going on in the world and it’s really scary.” Okay. Weird. Opening up with fear tactics to try to draw you in. I was kind of busy and I don’t know where it came from but I wanted to end the conversation before it even started, and so I responded “I don’t really worry about what’s going on in the world today. I put my faith in Jesus Christ. Who do you put your faith in?“ That was the closest I ever saw actual steam coming out of someone’s ears. The nervous inexperienced girl was shuffling her feet and looking at her “leader“ for some kind of direction, and the experienced woman snarled at me and huffed a little bit, jammed her watchtower magazines back into the briefcase, and stormed off. I guess that was too challenging of a question for her. During 2020 I started getting handwritten letters from JWs instead of visits because of Covid. I wrote back to one of them. I was polite, but I told them that I was annoyed that are they only used their first names… No last name… And gave no real return address on their letter, and Yet felt that it was OK to know MY name, first and last, and send me a letter where they could remain anonymous basically. The return address was their particular branch of kingdom hall. I also told them that they probably should throw away the perverted Bible and go to the web site, bible gateway, and do some comparison reading of the different legitimate versions of the Scriptures. They did not respond. I’ve tried to engage with JW as a few times, and used scripture and was patient and kind and so on and so on but my experience was that they are so brainwashed that most of them just are literally spiritually blind. I did unsettle a number of inexperienced ones when I used scripture to point out their errors… So maybe those planted seeds took hold… I don’t know, but the longer a person is in that cult, the harder it is for them to break away.
Just ignore JWs. Simple. Ezekiel 2:5 As for them, whether they listen or refuse to listen-for they are a rebellious house-they will certainly know that a prophet was among them.
I'm very welcoming when JW's, Mormons, etc., come to my home because I'm going to instruct and teach them primarily on what is already written in The Holy Bible ONLY (not any pamphlets or additional books) and NOT focus on any denominations.
just had two JW in my house, & they point blank refused to watch this video, I made a compromise & had to put headphones on then relay the relevant bits, but it didn't go too well , as I am sure you can imagine that is not the best way to convey the points, Btw they both pointed out with some satisfaction that the uploader is using an outdated NWT... (they said "he should be unseeing the grey NWT not the black one) That just made me think blimey how often do they change their book? I did say to them I was disappointed in them refusing to watch the video as it says to me that their faith is easily rocked.
I think its the first time since they first made the original, but to be frank, interpretations are similar to the anus, everyone has one and mostly stink. But gosh darn I love the person Jesus was, too bad that's been lost in time.... I'm curious, do any of you believe in the cross? just wondering if the item used to torment and kill earth's greatest example was important enough to ignore the command of taking NO idols (no exception as far as I can tell), especially one which shares a striking resemblance to the Babylonian god Tamus symbol?.....
These are great points you make about Christendoms idolatry. Actually your absolutely right, the stake Jesus was killed on was an upright pole, only for the surrounding nations unholy practices was it changed and venerated later. Most important, keep Gods commandments, don't lie cheat steal fornicate kill, do be good to your neighbor and hope for the best lol.
Hello Mike, i am sorry to say this in a harsh manner but you are out of your mind for saying all that you've said. Please stop misleading these people..! Jesus himself said " my father" and not my son.! Be wise and use your common sense to think.! Mr Mike, oh please stop misleading the public. A day would come when your child, your son would call you his son, i hope that would make you happy. Jesus never ever mentioned in any part of the bible that God was his son. Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”-John 14:28. Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? -Philippians 2:9. Jesus himself says; My "Father" has kept working until now, and I keep working.”-John 5:17. hey consider it blasphemy for him to view God as his Father, as if Jesus’ saying that Jehovah is his Father amounts to making himself equal to God. However, Jesus is unafraid and answers them further regarding his special relationship with God. “The Father has affection for the Son,” he says, “and shows him all the things he himself does.”-John 5:20. Jesus continues: “Just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to.” (John 5:21) What a meaningful statement, giving hope for the future! Even now, the Son is raising the dead in a spiritual sense. Hence, Jesus says: “Whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.”-John 5:24 As extraordinary as Jesus’ role is, he makes it clear that he is subordinate to God, stating: “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. . . . I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.” (John 5:30) Please everybody reading this comment; do you always say something because somebody told you to say it, you're human, human just like that person trying to mislead you. Do your research, come up with your own answers so you could always answer for yourself and not say what other people are saying. God bless you all.
I’ve confronted the Jehovah Witness several times . When you tell them that the King James Version of the Bible is still the best transition of the Bible they get locked up . Then I take them to the scriptures in the KJV and prove that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh . That the name that Jesus declared in John 17:20 where it says “ And I have declared unto them thy name , and will declare it : that the love wherewith thou hast love me , may be in them , and I in them “ . The name Jehovah is never mentioned in anywhere in the four gospels. The only name He ever declared is Jesus which means Jehovah has become our salvation . Then if their still there I give them Isaiah 9:6 where it says the child born is “ the mighty God , the Everlasting Father, the prince of peace “ . He’s the Emmanuel which being interpreted God with us . In Matthew 1:23 . 1TIMOTHY 3:16 “ Great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh “. John 14:9 Jesus said to Philip “ he that hath seen me hath seen the Father “ . Revelation 1:8 Jesus calmed to be the “ Almighty “ . And the Bible is full of scriptures that’s proves Jesus is The Father . They will be looking for the door when you give the chapter and verse of who Jesus is . Have a blessed day .
Louis Whitehead I covered Isaiah 9:6 in a post above. That's the problem with the KJV, it was translated by people who believed in the Trinity so that was reflected in the wording that was used. The fact is, in the 1800's the Church of England decide a new updated version was necessary since the Authorized Version had so many errors. The Revised Standard Version of 1901. John 14:7-9 The Greek word that Matthew uses for “see” also means “to see with the mind, to perceive, know.” Since Jesus perfectly reflected God’s personality, he could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.”
John 1:18 " No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. " The Bible does not contradict itself. You need a modern English version of the Bible where most all the translation errors of the KJV have been corrected. Revelation 1:8 “The Lord God says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the One who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty!’” (The New American Bible) Clearly, the reference here is to the Most High God Jehovah. While Jesus Christ is referred to in the previous verse as “coming with the clouds,” the words of Revelation 1:8 and the surrounding verses show that he could not be “the Alpha and the Omega.” In the Scriptures, only the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is spoken of as “the Lord God” and as the “Almighty.” Jesus Christ even refers to his Father as “my God.” (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12 There is no Scripture that says the Father and Jesus are the same person. It may appear that way but an unbiased examination of Scripture clarifies that. According to the King James Version (1611), 1 Timothy 3:16 was rendered: “God was manifest in the flesh.” However, were you aware that a long battle took place to obtain an accurate text? One individual who was involved in this was John James Wetstein (1693-1754). With many other manuscripts now confirming Wetstein’s reading, accurate modern translations read: “He was made manifest in flesh,” or “He who . . . ,” referring to Jesus Christ. (American Standard, Moffatt, Weymouth, Spencer, The New English Bible) But Wetstein was charged with tampering with the text and speaking against the doctrine of the Trinity, and this was viewed as heretical. Accurate modern translations read: “He was made manifest in flesh,” or “He who . . . ,” referring to Jesus Christ. (American Standard, Moffatt, Weymouth, Spencer, The New English Bible) By the way, I wouldn't be looking for the door, I'd just show you the Truth.
You can say the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Then you can say the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not God. Then you can say God is not God 3X and you still think you are sane, that you haven't lost your mind one bit.
Dave Jordan , in John 4:24 Jesus said “ God is a Spirit , and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth “ . So that tells us that God the Father is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit . Father and Holy Spirit is the self same God . It’s not two beings but one Spirit . In Matthew 1:20 it says “ But while he thought on these things , Behold , the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream , saying , Joseph , thou sin of David , fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife : for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost “ . So the Father of Jesus is the Holy Ghost. In Colossians 1:15 it says , referring to Jesus , “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature “ . Take your Bible now and read through verse 20 in that chapter. When Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection in John 20:27-29 it says in verse 28 “ And Thomas answered and said unto him , ( Jesus ) My Lord And my God “. Peter said in Acts 2:36 “ Therefore Let all the house of Israel know assuredly , they God hath made that same Jesus , whom ye have crucified , both Lord and Christ “ . Acts 20:28 says “ Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock , over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers , to feed the church of God , which he purchased with his own blood “. This scripture said God purchased the church with his own blood . But God the Father didn’t have blood so he became a man so he could purchase the Church with his own blood . You see God had three titles. He was Father of creation , Son in redemption , Holy Ghost in regeneration . That’s not complicated to understand . I’m a Father , I’m a son , I’m a husband , I’m a grandfather , I’m a teacher , I’m a musician , and the list goes on but there’s only one of me . Their just titles to what I am in different situations . I’m a teacher to my pupils , I’m a father to my children , I’m a husband to my wife , I’m a musician when I play music . Jesus is the Emmanuel which being interpreted God with us in Matthew 1:23 . Jesus said several times to the Jews “ You neither know the scriptures nor the power of God “. 2 Corinthians 4:6 says “ For God , Who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts , to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ “. Maybe this little Bible study will enlighten you on who God is and his name is “ JESUS “ .
As a former Witness. I just tell them I'm not interested and close the door respectively. If you don't do nothing they will mark you as not home and most likely return. No religious debate is going to change anything. If anything it will solidify their persecution complex. A seed might help but self discovery and awareness that you are trapped in a cult will bring them out of it. That's what happened to me.
I agree- when they come to your door it’s either you welcome them or you don’t- if you don’t tell them you don’t- and they will leave in peace and that’s it .
I usually lead the conversations with most of them. I had a few little sweet old women that visited me one day, wound up bringing two more from their congregation next visit just so they could have them meet & talk with me. It wasn't terrible.
I also have that experience.. It wasnt bad. Theyre helping me to understand the truth and the bible's true message. I became a bible study. They never quit helping and teaching me they are so amazing! Praise God's kingdom! I actually compared them to other belief system and I think theyre teachings are really based on the bible! I never heard those messages to other religion and you can really see it by the fruits of their organization. By the time you fully understand the bible and all stuff, u can actually realize that this is the truth and its different forn the other religion! My friend let us continue finding the gems and we will know in the end that God has a brighter future for those people who really seek about Truth and God and whats life's purpose☺☺ Welcome them! May you have a blessed way of learning! Jehovah will bless you☺
crystal words if the Holy Spirit is a person, then why is there not description of the Holy spirit in heaven, no throne, no robe, no white hair like the father and his son, not one mention or description. God has a Throne and Jesus sits at his right hand, the 24 elders have thrones and so do all the saints, where is the throne of the Holy Spirit in heaven. thank./ Many blessings to you if you can see that the holy spirit is not a person, even thought there are many figurative descriptions on earth which is no more a mystery than personalizing chapter Psalms 148.Praise him, sun and moon; praise him, all you shining stars. 4 Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies. How can inaminate objects priase God, since only humans can do that ? Which proves the holy spirit is not a person.
@crystal words so Crystal my friend is the holy spirit a person in heaven like Christ and the Father? The father has a throne, Jesus has a throne, the 24 elders have at throne and all the saints have thrones. Jesus has white hair, the father has white hair, Jesus has a robe, the father has a robe. So please can you show me one scripture of a similar description of the holy spirit in heaven? So far I have never found one single scripture with such a description. According to the bible the holy spirit is everywhere and it is God's spirit of power, but it is never described as a person in heaven. Please do not show me figurative speech on earth since I can show you figurative of inanimate things described as persons like the mountains the sea etc praising God.. I can also show you blood described as crying from the ground to God, blood is not a person. Only humans can praise God see Psalms 148 "3:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. 4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. 5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created. this is why God's word is alive and exerts power Hebs 4:12
@crystal words here are more scriptures that personify inanimate things in the bible, so are these people or persons? 'Let the floods clap their hands; let the hills sing together for joy' (Psalm 98:8). 'When the waters saw you, they were afraid; the very deep trembled' (Psalm 77:16). 'Then the moon will be abashed, and the sun ashamed' (Isaiah 24:23). 'What have you done? Listen; your brother's blood is crying out to me from the ground' (Genesis 4:10). so it is with personifying the holy spirit which is God's power or his active force which is clearly seen in the bible when it speaks about God's powerful holy spirit.
@@jazzbassf Your argumentation is a red herring. There are several other verses that show that the Holy Spirit is a person. "When HE, the Spirit of Truth comes, HE will guide you into all the truth." Even though the Greek word for Spirit is neuter, John doesn't use neuter pronouns and definite articles that are neuter. John breaks grammar rules there and uses MASCULINE articles and pronouns. There are many verses in the New Testament that show the personality of the Holy Spirit.
Hey Mike, thank you for this resource! I tried to implement the two John Scriptures just this afternoon and while I think it went fairly ok, the “main” JW was trying to get me off track by saying how the Holy Spirit isn’t mentioned in John 1:1, and before I could get to John 5:16-18 he took me to Philippians 2:6 and pulled that verse out of context without me realizing it. He was using an iPad that had their JW app installed on it, and had the KJV and ASV and was as their “Kingdom Translation” of the Greek text. Personally I prefer the ESV and NASB, so that’s what I told the “main” JW I prefer to use, and he seemed unfamiliar with the NASB and didn’t seem to have access to it within his JW app. I told them that I believe in the Trinity, and he tried to ask if that word is in the Bible, I countered by saying that I know it isn’t, but I believe that Scripture supports that God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit are three in one. He encouraged me to look through my Bible and find any and all evidence for that belief and we’ll use “my” Bible for our next get together. I may be a little pessimistic here, but I think I’ll be countered by them saying something to the effect of, “You’re using a poorly translated version of the Scriptures, here’s what it says in our translation and here’s our translation of the Greek text.” It seems like I have some homework to do! Definitely was not expecting the iPad and their app.
While running errands this lady give me a pamphlet and I took it but as I was walking away I looked down and said “I’m not a Jehovas Witness”! While handing it back to her. She replied “It’s for everyone.” I literally walked away. I realize God is the one who prompt me to look at it immediately and if I took it I would’ve come in agreement with whatever that faith believes in. Glad I’m to much is love with Jesus he has brought me through so much🥲
Good one! I was expecting John 1:3 "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." (their translation) So if everything is made by him, how come that he was "made"? I used it on two elderly grannies that came to my door, but they switched the subject quickly. I hope and pray it sunk in.
The verse specifically says "apart" from him. Meaning he was created also. Apart from himself all else was created.😉 Jesus was the first creation of God. Thats why in genesis God said let us make man in OUR image. Refering to Jesus having already been created
It doesn't say all things were created by him or came into existence by him it says through him there's a difference it means through the love that he showed Jehovah God
@@dushluh5503 checked a few different translations out and not one had apart, then I proceeded to see the original language and what the word meant and it translates to without him, not apart from him. Also that verse in genesis reads to literally God and Jesus making man into their own image. Not Jesus was first created being, Jesus was there from the beginning. In John 1:1 the word Theos for Jesus is used similarly to the word in genesis meaning He was there from the beginning and has always existed with God. He is one with the father. I pray the veil from your eyes can be removed in Jesus name, amen.
I said to one once, "Okay. I'll let you talk to me about your religion and your god, and I'll tell you about Jesus and my relationship with Him." He left. I would have gladly shared my testimony with him, but he didn't want to hear it.
He doesn't believe you have a testimony worth hearing, that's why he wouldn't listen to you. because Jesus isn't God...Any testimony you claim to have is as valid as that of the mormons... It's not based on accurate knowledge. But emotion....hence why he didn't want to waste his time.
@@ottooctavius585 Yet, you wasted yours by replying to me. I could say your comment or opinion is invalid, but that is just my opinion. I don't base my life on others' opinions, thank goodness. I believe in Jesus. It's your choice not to.
@@melissamiddleton2135 if you wish to discuss any point you may have that you think proves your religion is correct then yes, I want to discuss it....do you believe the holy spirit is God....we can start there.
@@melissamiddleton2135 I do not consider you a waste of time Mellisa, All Jehovah's Christian Witnesses believe in and imitate Jesus,, do you go from door to door?...Jesus instructed his followers to do just that, so we do follow Jesus, in actions, in words and by the example he gave.
Hey Mike, I think you should do this video again only talk about it from the defensive side rather than the offensive side. What I mean by that is, instead of choosing your own scripture to prove the Trinity try taking the scripture they use and explain why it doesn’t work. They have a whole list of questions to fight the Trinity. Go through and answer them.
Had a close in counter with JW today he said because my boys are half my age and didn't have the experience I did so two is the Father is greater than his Son Jesus..but I didn't give in I told him Jesus was with the Father from beginning He is ower salvation.
They believe Jesus was with JESUS as well and JESUS is their Savior ,that was your close in counter ? My GOD how did youceevercsurvivetheis close encounter??? ,tell us!!! Such a brave women ,that encounter must have been death fearing SCARY. . Glad you made if our safely Sister
allright still Few questions for you The Name Jehovah is really important for you guys right? I mean you go from door to door to proclaim His Name right? Can you find ONE Biblical passage in which either Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul or any other author of the New Testament that urges us to speak in Jehovah' Name? Or ONE text in the New Testament that declares that we have to proclaim to all the world that Jehovah is God's Name? One will do.... And The New Testament declares that it is NOT the Name Jehovah the most important one. Philippians 2:9-11 from the NASB: For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 So that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Question: Why don't you go from door to door to announce the Name of Jesus instead of Jehovah? I will be waiting.......... Got 3 questions here Show less
40yeartrucker do you know what the Firstborn of Creation mean? Do you know why Jesus called himself the only begotten Son? .....................................................................
John’s gospel reflects Christian theology, not the authentic Jesus. This is the main reason why John claims Jesus died a full 24 hours BEFORE he died in Mark, Matthew and Luke. --Jesus taught--quote--“ALL” in parables. There are no parables in John. --Jesus not only spoke in parables, he also used short, unique aphorisms [pithy short sayings]. In John, Jesus is made to speak in long, dense theological speeches, all about himself and the importance of believing in him. Jesus did not speak this way in Mark, Matthew or Luke. --The majority of Jesus’ teachings were about the destitute and the marginalized. John’s gospel says NOTHING about the poor. John is about John’s opinion about what Jesus means. Mark, Matthew and Luke are about what Jesus said and taught. The Christian obsession with John shows that today’s believers prefer to worship Christ on some pedestal instead of actually following Jesus. “Why do you call me good? Only God is good.” “Friend, who made me a judge over you?" "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage [Philippians 2:6]." "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only [Matthew 24:36].” “Our Father who art in heaven [Matthew 6:9]." "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? [Matthew 27:46].” And the few verses are not the only ones that clearly indicate Jesus did not see himself as God. Let’s let Jesus speak for himself instead of putting exalted, Roman Empire-like descriptions placed into his mouth after the crucifixion. Don’t worship Christ as Caesar was worshiped. Pay attention to what Jesus taught.
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Once a Jehova whitness rang my doorbell, I was just busy with breastfeeding my new born daughter. I opened the door with my baby in my arms. They were very kind and they just said, oh it is too cold, we go again, please close the door again :_)
That was kind of them. And I'm happy to hear you are confident in breastfeeding your baby. It's awful when people try to shame mothers for feeding their babies. I get that it makes people uncomfortable and feel awkward when done in public, but rudeness really isn't necessary. And in your own home, people definitely shouldn't judge.
@@noahdilweed I think your parents should be less busy with writing these letters so they know that their 10 yrs old child is watching video's what is not made for children and what is making him upset. Believe me, nobody here wants to make a child upset and everybody wants you to be happy and I suggest that you watch some nice video's for children instead.
John 14: 28....I am going to the Father because the father is greater than I am. Psalms 83:18.....May people know that you whose name is Jehovah,you "ALONE" are the most high over the Earth
An honest faith in the Bible won't counter one passage with another but start with the idea that "all these passages must be true". If we believe that all the passages are true we must comprehensively believe them, meaning that we can say that "Jesus is equal to the Father" and "the Father is greater than Jesus". Now, if Jesus is equal to the Father and should be honored as the Father this seems to mean that He is God (which doctrine is supported in many other passages), how do we reconcile this with the idea that the "Father is greater". Well, one can be greater in many different senses. Greater in position, in power, in authority, in location, in nature, in size, in wealth, in skill, etc. Well, several of the ways in which one can be greater than another can apply to Jesus without it contradicting the idea that He is equal to the Father and should be honored as the Father is honored. Jesus could be saying that the Father has a leadership role in the trinity that the Son submits to. Your wife may submit to you (making you greater in position) without this meaning that she is not equal to you. The point here is that the tactic of simply throwing out one passage to contradict another is the worst kind of theology, in doing so you selectively use the Bible to prove your point rather than going to the Bible to learn what it says comprehensively about God.
It would be odd to suspect that you need a verse saying the Father is under subjection to the Son in order to believe that the Son is God. A better standard would be to require that the Bible clearly teach that Jesus is God. Which it does. In the passage I quote in the video it clearly teaches it (along with many others). You claim Jesus isn't equal with the Father but that is exactly what the passage claims. It is clearly NOT a claim that other people thought He was. Knowing Greek isn't required to see that the passage in John 5 is not a commentary about the reasoning of the Pharisees but John's divinely inspired interpretation of Jesus' statement to mean that Jesus is equal to God. And, as if to drive the point in even more clearly and indisputably, Jesus says that Jesus is to be honored to the same degree as the Father. Well, if you are honoring someone AS God then either they ARE God or they are an idol. No angel would ask to be honored as the Father because it would be like the sin of Satan who wanted to be as God.
Mike Winger If they are the same, then who resurrected Jesus when he was dead, and Why did jesus say," I am going to the father because he is greater then I am?
Jerry Collins When you challenge the idea that Jesus and the Father are the same you are on the right track! They can't be the same and still have any distinction between them. Jesus can't be the same as the Father if Jesus isn't the Father. This is one of the reasons why Christians throughout the centuries have rejected the false doctrine that Jesus is the Father in human form. This false teaching is rebuked by the Bible in many places (such as the baptism of Jesus where the Father is speaking, while the Son is being baptized, while the Spirit is descending upon the Son). The Bible clearly limits us to a belief that Jesus is equal to the Father but not the same as the Father. This has led some people to believe that their are three gods. But the idea that there are three gods is even more blatantly false and unbiblical than the other false teaching that Jesus is the same as the Father. When we just say "I will believe the Bible in it's entirety" we are left with only one option... That the Father is God, Jesus is God and the Spirit is God. However, we balance this out with the truth that there is only one God. So, the Father is not the Son but each of them is the one God. This might sound irritating to some people because they feel it can't be comprehended but that is irrelevant. The only relevant question is "what does the Bible teach about Who God Is?" If the Bible really teaches this triune understanding of God then we have only two rational choices. 1- choose to believe the Bible's teaching even though you don't fully understand everything it implies. 2- choose to reject the Bible and not call yourself a follower of Christ. The option you have chosen is an irrational one: choose to reject the Bible's teaching about the identity of God (as Father, Son and Spirit) yet still claim to be a Bible believer. It's understandable if you are merely trusting the teaching of others but if you have read carefully and comprehensively in the Bible then you have no excuse to harbor this irrational position. Doesn't it strike you as odd that your group had to come up with their own translation of the Bible and that they never study books but just take verses out of context? Or that, when confronted with the idea that the Bible disagrees with them their is no room for discussion? Shouldn't an attitude of "if the Bible says I'm wrong then I must be wrong and anyone who points it out is a true friend" be present?
Leroy Rogers Jesus claimed He was God every time He said He was "the Son of God" (not "a son of God"). Keep in mind that this was spoken by a Jew to a Jewish audience and they understood it's meaning to be a declaration of Deity. Also, in the passage you quote (which ignores all that John 5 says, which is sad because you can't for right theology by thinking that you can contradict one passage with another) Jesus is clearly NOT saying "I am not God" but I saying "I am RIGHT and NOT blaspheming in my claim to be THE SON OF GOD". Forgive the capitals, I'm not yelling, just emphasizing the right words. So, back to John 5, how do you justify your idea that the passage is teaching that the Pharisees were confused about Jesus' claims? And how do you take "Honor the Son just as they honor the Father"?
As an X JW and a large family who are, I’m 65 , left them when I was 18,( saved at 40) I find the best way is just to say No thank you, I used to be one , let them ask the questions, answer each one simply and directly with total respect,which is my style anyway,I don’t argue!
Something sound fishy. One doesn't even know what being saved means. Even after supposedly being a part of God's organization. Matthew 24:13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. It is a HOPE.
@@tongakhan230 Hope in the sense of a sure thing( the biblical narrative ( Hebrews ) Endurance to the end is a tribute to Gods sovereignty not our ability ! Nothing to the Cross I bring, only to the Cross I cling ,
Thank God for 😂😃😂4,500 dislikes - they are probably JW who entered this “virtual door” and got rebuffed by truth. This appeared in my feed, now I gotta go back for your recent video. Thanks, Mike, keeping on evangelizing despite COVID....
Seeing Pastor Mike in this video made me laugh so hard! I know time changes and his content changes but it is definitely Affective on getting the truth out with Humor. I do think however I like his new style better. Deep dives is what I’m into but this is great short and to the point.
Ok, I'm already a subscriber, because of Doreen Virtue, but the other day I was watching D Wood and the gang on live stream, and Vocab suggested to see you in this video, and I have to say .... it was worth it! 😁
I am a JW's and it does not matter which Bible to use when concerning this text and it's context. Concerning John 5:18 which states: “18 This is why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.” It was the UNBELIEVING Jews who reasoned that Jesus was attempting to make himself equal with God just by claiming God as his Father. While properly referring to God as his Father, Jesus never claimed equality with God. He straightforwardly answered the Jews: “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.” (John 5:19,30-32; see also John 14:28; John 10:31-36.) If he "can do nothing of his own accord" he surly is not equal thereby Jesus denied these false charge … he was not equal to God and therefore could not act on his own initiatives. It was those UNBELIEVING Jews, who claimed that Jesus broke the Sabbath, but they were wrong also about that. Jesus kept the Law perfectly, and he even declared: “It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”… Matt. 12:10-12, If Jesus failed and actually broke the Law then God would not have accepted his sacrifice and Mankind would still be what condition? Here something else to think about. The UNBELIEVING Jews (the religious Leaders) accused him of many things … John Chapter 8 Jesus is speaking how he is the “light of the world” And the Jews say “You bear witness about yourself; your witness is not true.” In verse 16-18 Jesus says: “my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me. Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” (this also shows Jesus and Jehovah are not the same for he would not use this example of the law of 2 witnesses). In verse 37- 40 Jesus confront them because he know they are seeking to kill him and tells them that their father is Satan saying at verse 44 “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father” and they respond back and accuse him at verse 48 “You are a Sa•mar′i•tan and have a demon’?” Well as we continue to read ahead we see that Jesus denies these accusations also but they continue accusing him of having a demon. This discussion/argument that is taking place is about who knows the Father and Jesus came before Abraham. What really interesting is what Jesus says’s concerning his Father verse 55 “Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word.” Did you get that? He has made know … that they (UNBELIEVING Jews) not only don’t know his “Father” but he calls them a liar!!!! Jesus was perfect and he fulfilled the Law perfectly he did not break the law … so he not only denied the accusations he shows that they are LIARS!!! And remember his witness is true because his Father Jehovah witness it also. So why would anyone except UNBELIEVING Jews accusations that accused him of being equal to God or even having a demon that Jesus claims their father is Satan and that Jesus blatantly calls them a liars... why do you believe their accusations as absolute truth? I believe Jesus … and I most definitely would not come to the same wrong conclusions like these UNBELIEVING Jews!!! The scriptures clearly show that Jesus is not Jehovah Almighty God!!! Does not matter which Bible u use.
Steve Humphries If you take your own New World Translation and open it up to John 5:28. Watch for the quotation marks. [ "..."] You will notice that there *is no quotation marks in John **5:18**.* Because the Jews didn't say this. The Apostle John Did in his commentary. It was The apostle John who said that Jesus was equal to God. Not the Jews.
+preto shohmoofc guy First time I have ever heard that. OK lets see ... so now your calling the Apostle John a Liar? Your also saying that Jesus is calling the Apostle John a liar! The book is written by inspiration by the Apostle John if he say's that's what happen then I believe him ... just like the rest of the books of the Bible ... they are inspired ... your reasoning is not valid. We all know the history of when this doctrine came to be taught (not until the 4th century). Again Jesus is calling them a "liar" (the Jews not the Apostle John) and their father is "Satan". When does a lie come to be truth? Why would anyone except what these UNBELIEVING Jews say ... Jesus own testimony also say's concerning these UNBELIEVING Jews that they did not know the "Father" and yet again you believe what the UNBELIEVING Jews say as accurate information. These UNBELIEVING Jews also did not except that he was the Messiah and in the end they killed him ... and yet your take their accusation as truth??? This is really mind boggling to me!!! You need to answer this question for me. When does a Lie come to be truth? I'll be waiting for your reply but of course I know the answer!
Dear Brother just read John 1,1 from an interlined text and no one in the entire world could refute the opposite..... This chapter and verses say Jesus is entirely God, that everything was created by him and the best thing of all that he left his God condition to become flesh like you and me and live among us forever.. Read all JOHN gospel from the original aramaic and hebrew scripture,so from now and on you will worship the eternal life, so no JW(Charles t.Russell) totally twisted theory could any longer talk you into ever... I wish God guided your steps thru the right path.
Steve Humphries So, was it the apostle John who said that Jesus was equal to God or not? Was John 5:18 in quotations or not? The answer is no. John himself said that Jesus was equal to God.
preto shohmoofc guy; Claudia Yamileth; Again your twisting the scriptures ... it pretty clear to anyone that's reading it. It says the Jews accused him of being equal ... Its the reason why they were *seeking to kill him* John reported on the 2 reasons 1. was they felt he was breaking the law according to their traditions and again 2. they concluded he was equal to God. And what does Jesus do *he responds to the accusation of being equal* and denies it!!! This is pretty clear by reading the chapter. It proves that John 1:1 in Trinity Bible's is clearly wrong. Jesus judges them to be *LIARS* and denies the accusation and their Father is *Satan*... a lie is a lie ... does not matter who accused him of it in the 1st century or the 4th century or even today *it will always be a lie!!!* Jesus is the expert on this issue and he settled long ago! When does a lie come to be truth? *NEVER*
I take them to Genesis 1:26 and ask them what it means when it says: And God said, “Let US make man in OUR image.” Plural! And then I ask take them to Isaiah 9:6-7 on the prophesied Jesus as Eternal Father, Mighty God, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor.” They don’t know how to reconcile those verses with what they’ve been taught (without twisting it so much in their brains). Yes, I used their Bible to show them. They have it in their Bibles. And it catches them off guard (unprepared) and I believe it will win them over to knowing the real Jesus according to Scripture.
I'm actually Mormon. And when a JW comes to my door I tell them I'm Mormon and believe it or not they say "Sorry to bother you " and they actually walk away.
@Denise White I like talking to Mormons. I never could understand why you believe Jesus is Jehovah when the God of Jesus is Jehovah the Most High. Jesus is the Son of the Most High. Luke 1:32
Denise White I have never said that to a Mormon,that I am sorry to bother you, I give them witness and I will invite them into my home when they come knocking and give them a witness.
I have a BALL with the dear JW’s. I usually start by informing them that I simply could never convert to a faith that doesn’t have a solid biblical reasoning for no birthdays. Then I let them know that presents on Christmas, and free candy on Hallows are non-negotiable. At this point I tend to get serious and I open THEIR “bible” to Hebrews 1 and start the same track: Jesus is divine. Period. The REAL deal-breaker. Love ya, Mike. Thank you for your work.
so friend why are you having a ball with JWs? Hebrews 1 doesn't say Jesus is Jehovah, so where is the bible do you get this?Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son,b whom he appointed heir of all things,c and through whom he made the systems of things.*d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glorye and the exact representation of his very being,f and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins,g he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.God appoints his son as heir, God made everything through Jesus., a reflection is not the same as the reflector is it?
A good question to end on is "Do JWs honor Jesus AS. Jehovah? " As an interesting sidenote,the Greek word for HONOUR is Timeo which means also VALUE,REVERE,VENERATE!
Leroy Rogers,Wheather you are a trinirarian or not,the fact is we are to honir Jesus AS Jehovah, and JWs certainly do NOT. Also a son ,in ancient Jewish thought,is equal to the Father in posistion,honor,wealth,power. Of cource in the household the son honors the father,but for all intents and purposes,the son IS equal. In fact that is exsactly what Jesus explains in John 5!
I never threw a jab! I did not insult you or insinuate you had a childish intellect, as you did me! I merely disagreed with you! HAs do not understand the difference and take any honest critisisms, if they come from outside the org,as an attack! You need to get your facts straight!
I just had some Jehovah witnesses come to my door and I remembered about half of what I should’ve known, kicking myself, practice for next time I guess. Thanks for the video
i hoped you told them you agree that God is one, Jehovah, the Father and not God is three, Yahweh, the Trinity. the main thing they get hung up on is thinking Jesus is an angel and not a man, which is basically the same problem the trinitarians have, not believing he's really a man, born of a virgin
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod If I’m understanding you correctly then yes that was the main thing I did remember, I confronted them on whether or not they believed that Jesus was God, to which they told me no and then tried to convince me with a passage from likely their translation. My response was if Jesus was not God in the flesh then when he died there was no sacrifice for our sins and we still have a big sin problem that has not been dealt with.
@@RuinerNet thats because God needs to die for your sins (God can't die) theology is completely contrary to what the bible actually says. if you had of just read romans chapter 5 you would have never had that God needs to die theology in your head, you would have understood that a man needed to die, to redeem man.
Hey Mike, I haven't been a witness in a long long time and I have made a complete separation of myself from the religion, but this argument is still one I just can't get behind... How do you balance scriptures such as the one you quoted in this video (which I honestly don't interpret the way you do, still looks like Jesus separates himself from his father to me), when scriptures such as Exodus clearly states that man could never lay eyes upon god and live. Granted, this isn't something I wake up in the morning thinking about, but I watched your video and I'm curious now. Get back to me please. Steve
R&S, Thanks for taking the time to watch my video and comment on it. One trouble I have seen impacting those who come out of JWs or some other groups is that they have heard years of false representations of biblical Christianity. In the case of the doctrine of the Trinity this is almost always misrepresented by Watchtower publications. It's not that the Watchtower offers good refutations of the doctrine of who Jesus is so much as they misrepresent Christian belief about Jesus and then prove wrong that misrepresentation. I think this is worth much more time but it's worth starting our conversation by me asking permission to define the doctrine of the identity of Christ. Jesus is not the same as the Father (we agree on that). Jesus is God but is not the Father. This may seem like a hard concept but the question isn't "is the revelation of Who God is easy to understand?" but "What is the biblical revelation of Who God is?" Let me post some verses here that support this idea and I won't offer any interpretation of them, I merely ask that you read them with this thought in mind. Does this teach both that Jesus is God and that He is not the same as the Father? Colossians 2:9 (NKJV) 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; John 20:28 (NKJV) 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Titus 2:13 (NKJV) 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 2 Peter 1:1 (NKJV) 1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: John 1:1 (NKJV) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 (NKJV) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Titus 2:13 (NKJV) 13looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, These are just some passages, there are many more. I look forward to your response.
+Mike Winger Thanks for the response Mike. I appreciate the scriptures you used to show your side of the discussion. The issue that I would raise is this. None of those scriptures are Jesus' words. They are all statements made by others regarding him and God. I don't consider those statements to be any more true than those issued forth by so called holy men of our modern age. Granted, when it all boils down, we might as well be having a disagreement about characters from Lord of the Rings as the bible is at it's core just another book. But for the sake of this discussion, I would be more apt to believe the words spoken by the person in question over the beliefs of someone else. I actually am surprised that I am answering back at all as it is not my intention to give subjects such as these this much attention. But hey, this is fun right?
I understand your point about the references not being Jesus' words themselves. This really is a new discussion about the Bible itself rather than a discussion about the biblical definition of Jesus' identity. I can supply passages where Jesus' own words show a claim to deity such as John 8:58 (read in context) or Matt 28:19 (one name for the Father, Son and Spirit) or the passage in question in this video (John 5). However, I think there is an even more important discussion about the Bible itself that you might be interested in. I actually have a video series I am in the middle of making called "Evidence for the Bible" where I offer, what I believe to be, compelling evidence for the divine origin of the Bible. I will be answering, in detail, many of the common objections to the Bible but I have started the series by first offering evidence that God has spoken in the Bible through the testable means of prophecy. Here is that series, and know that I am open to your disagreements with me on the things I share. th-cam.com/video/EjnwldgqN8c/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Mike for all your videos. I have been talking with a JW for a while and I am so thankful for your many videos on JW's. They have helped me prepare before I even knew a JW
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you..... did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing... I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.. It seems Mr winger came up with this on his own, hence why it fails....again.
@@ottooctavius585 , it is part of John's inspired commentary to explain that the reason the Pharisees we're seeking to kill Jesus was because Jesus was making himself equal to God. This is how John is explaining the circumstance so there shouldn't be a dispute in the statement Jesus was making himself equal to God. That is how the author John comments on the passage. John 5:18 (ESV): This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. If someone does not believe Jesus is Divine, all you need to do is look at the Greek or even the English for the following verses that explicitly call Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8-9 Titus 2:13 Romans 9:5 John 20:28, 1:1, 1:18 Colossians 2:9 Acts 20:28 2 Peter 1:1 1 John 5:20
@@joshpayne1201 John wrote what the pharisees actually said, its what they were trying to accuse him of...as can be seen with the sabbath breaking accusation....do you think he broke it...yes or no?
@@ottooctavius585 , Jesus was not breaking the Sabbath because Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus has the right over the Sabbath, so either Jesus was divine or Jesus was breaking the Sabbath. Secondly, the Pharisees said Jesus was breaking the Sabbath and calling God his own Father, but then John comments that this means Jesus was making himself equal to God. It clear that John is explaining what Jesus' claim to be the one true Son of God would mean. The Bible supports a divine Jesus (Hebrews 1:8-9, Titus 2:13, Romans 9:5, John 20:28, 1:1, 1:18, Colossians 2:9, Acts 20:28, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 John 5:20). Jesus acted as God (Mark 2:28 Lord of the Sabbath, Matthew 12:6 Greater than the Temple , Mark 2:5 Forgives Sins, Mark 2:18-22 Fasting). Your analogy of a human son not being equal to a human father seems inaccurate because all human beings have equal value and the same nature just as the divine Jesus has the same value and nature of God the Father. Now this is not a perfect analogy because God does not procreate to produce Jesus because by nature the divine Jesus is a necessary eternal being, but this is the way God chose to reveal the triune nature to us.
Just say 'no thanks, have a nice day' and close the door. Simple. I wouldn't engage them in any conversation because they'll keep coming back to debate with you lol.
@@wylolister3218 Haha, yeah I've heard that too. Throwing a pentagram on the front lawn works. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that you might become a special project - a soul that must be saved!
@@ermiyasgebrekristoshe6785 No, he's saying that any English translation of scripture is just that; a translation. The name "Jehovah" is not the name God gave Himself, and is not found in the original Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic texts. His name, transliterated as what's known among bible scholars as the tetragrammaton, was interwoven with the vowel markings for "Adonai" (a title Hebrews used to address God, keeping His name sacrosanct) when translated into German, giving them "Jehovah" (they pronounced it "yay-hoe-vah"). When translated then into English, the translators didn't take into account the German pronunciation of the letter "J", and so the German mistranslation was then further mistranslated as the name that Jehovah's Witnesses use today. I doubt God would condemn you for using the name in ignorance, but if you choose to continue using that name now knowing that it is not His name, I dare say you show Our Father great disrespect, and are sadly guilty of blasphemy.
@@truthbetold8610 The word "trinity", like all words, is a concept boiled down into a single word. God's name is His name. There are plenty of other words we have which aren't in the Bible that stand for concepts which are in the Bible. As it turns out, one of those words is blasphemy, which has a lot packed into it, but part of it is misusing God's name.
I They invited me to an event and I told them I didn’t want to go to an event where I, a queer woman, wouldn’t be fully accepted. They told me that no one is judged, which was hard not to laugh outright at.
My favorite question to ask Jehovah Witnesses when they come to my door and I let them and sit them down on my couch, is: _"Can you show me where the Name Jehovah is found in the New Testament?"_ Of course, they run to their New Twirled Perversion of the Bible and I grab my interlinear Greek and English New Testament and show them that the Name Jehovah is not there in the Greek. Instead, where they have printed 'Jehovah', actually, in the Greek, it's: *_"THEOS"!!!_* and sometimes it's even *_"Kurios"_*. After showing them that the New Testament writers never used or even bothered to spell 'Jehovah' in Greek letters, or come up with any other name for God that even remotely sounds like Jehovah, they begin to get a little uncomfortable. Then I proceed to ask them who is responsible for the mistranslation in their Bibles. But they don't know who translated their copy of the Bible. Then I ask them; _"So you're trusting the eternal fate of your soul to a group of Bible translators whom you don't know, nor know their level of education or mastery of Hebrew and Greek?"_ _"How then do you know for sure your translation is accurate if: 1.Jehovah is never found in the original Greek NT. and 2. You don't even know who translated your Bible?"_ With that, they go into a tail spin, put their tail between their legs, their books back in their backs, and they walk out. As they walk down my driveway to the street I remind them: _"It's clear to me, you're trusting in the work of men whom you don't even know, rather than God, whose name Jehovah, was never mentioned by any of the Apostles in the New Testament."_ They never come back again. I still pray one day, that one of them will show up at my door and thank me for pointing out this huge flaw in JW dogma, and that in doing so, it precipitated them leaving the organization.
bigzack1011 _"Just what does this mean " GFDbDhbthen " !!! Thanks."_ LOL! That was an ugly typo that slipped by me! Ha ha ha! I'll edit it. Thanks for point it out!! LOL! It was supposed to read; "New Twirled Perversion of the Bible".
Tell me something TroddinSod? In Matt 4:4 where Jesus is giving a reply to Satan. Do you actually believe that Jesus is saying the old testament manuscripts of Deut 8:3 in Hebrew is WRONG???. I don't think so..! according to your limited insight Jesus is saying " LORD " in Greek to Satan ? LOL.First of all we don't have the original John Henry gospels.Second of all when Jesus said this to Satan, " IT IS WRITTEN " he was referring to the Hebrew text that Moses was inspired to write down. 3rd,there evidence that the gospel of Matthew was written in the Hebrew language first.
siicpaxsheechpaw _"Do you actually believe that Jesus is saying the old testament manuscripts of Deut 8:3 in Hebrew is WRONG???"....."according to your limited insight Jesus is saying " LORD " in Greek to Satan"_ As limited as my insight maybe, yours is obviously incapacitated altogether due to the fact Matthew did not record Jesus using the Greek word _"kurios"_ for YHWH in Matt 4:4. Matthew used the word _"Theos"_ for YHWH as the Jews did in the Septuagint. Hence, your completely off topic because the discussion was about the word _"Kurios"_ *not* the word _"Theos"_. Nor would I ever believe Jesus would say "the old testament manuscripts.... is WRONG". And you have no grounds, or means, to show that I've even hinted at the idea. Not having the original manuscripts the Apostles wrote has no relevance either. There are no copies containing any Greek spelling of YHWH. Even if Matthew was first written in Hebrew (no evidence whatsoever), the Greek renditions still fails to write in Greek letters phonetically any form of the spelling of YHWH, Yahweh, or Jehovah. I suggest you go take your ignorant non sequitur statements and insults somewhere else. You obviously have nothing meaningful to contribute here.
you're an atheist? sooo you believe in 1 god right because atheist is A-Theist the belief in 1 god. i know what people think it means but what people think it means & what atheist actually means is different. im just trying to help
ATHEIST and A "space" THEIST are two completely different things. A__"THEIST" is a person who believes in one god that rules and governs all creation but does not believe in the trinity. an "ATHEIST" is someone who denies the existence of any god
Over the years I’ve seen lots of these types of videos where one Chrisian attacks other Christians for some reason or other. The protagonist expressing their viewpoint has a ‘knowledge based’ faith and is still developing the Christian character. A faith clothed with Holy Spirit leaves no room for anger, malice, slander, and the like, but is manifest by a compassionate heart, kindness, meekness, and patience - Col. 3:5 - 16. ESV. Tears are a language, God understands - Rev 7:17
i was a jw since 1963..i woke up 4 years ago one pasage that allways beat me on the door is thomas saying " my Lord and my God " another jesus said " all authority has been given me ", another " you will be witneses of me " so many scriptures. how did i not see it for 50 + years..?
John Freeman+ My Lord and My God, doesn't mean he was calling Jesus God. Couldn't it have meant he recognised God was with Jesus? Aproved by God. Yes . Doesn't mean he thought Jesus was God. In fact when Stephen was stoned he saw Jesus standing beside God, not as God. Why? if Jesus is God then why is he beside God? Besides, what Thomas said doesn't prove the Trinity. If Thomas believed Jesus was God then he would believe Jesus is a Trinity according to the definition of God and Trinity. All authority has been GIVEN me. You know what given means right. How was Jesus GIVEN authority if he was already God. Shouldn't he have already had it? Of course Jehovahs witnesses are also witnesses of Jesus. Jehovahs witnesses teach as the bible does that Jesus is the way the truth and the life. You cnnot come to the father without the son. Who did Jesus say was his God? Rev 3:12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. Jesus worshipped and Prayed to his Father. Who was his Father according to Jesus John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Only True means exactly that. There is Only one true God that is to be worshipped as the only supreme powerer in the Universe. The God of Jesus. Jehovah. Simple
@@examine4yourself623 problem is yes in the NWT john 1 :1 says jesus is A God so you could use that to explain what thomas said .isaiah 9 calls jesus mighty God..in the church of england father son and holy spirit all take title of God three persons one God. one of the ussues i have is that whereas the origional bible students and Rutherford all advocated worship of jesus ..yet for instance at the sunday meeting at my kingdom hall in the public talk the speaker spoke on creation and the source of life .not once did he mention jesus. this is a trend ive noticed over the last 5 years or so..even the governing body members rarely mention jesus. Why is this when we are told to honour the son as we honour the father..jws have left jesus out..thats why im no longer happy to be part..even at the memorial they will refuse life by disobeying jesus words in john 6 .by not partaking of the bread and wine .
@@johnfreeman8445 First is the word Elohim (God) translated as Angels? First . Young's Analytical Concordance of the Bible, Eerdmans, 1978 Reprint, "Hints and Helps to Bible Interpretation": "65. GOD - is used of any one (professedly) MIGHTY, whether truly so or not, and is applied not only to the true God, but to false gods, magistrates, judges, angels, prophets, etc., e.g. - Exod. 7:1; 15:11; 21:6; 22:8, 9;...Ps. 8:5; 45:6; 82:1, 6; 97:7, 9...John 1:1; 10:33, 34, 35; 20:28...." Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, Abingdon, 1974 printing, "430. [elohim]. el-o-heem'; plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (in the plur. thus, esp. with the art.) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, ... x (very) great, judges, x mighty." - p. 12, "Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary." Any being above us can be called god. It doesn’t make them Almighty God. So are Angels called God’s according to the bible and the original languages? A yes or no will do. Thanks. Now what about worship. You have to remember again the many uses of the word worship. Where I live, I had to go to court and appear before a judge for a traffic infaction, that I won I must say. Now in my country Canada, what do we call Judges. “Your Worship” Does that mean I am worshipping him and view him as God. Of course not. It is a left over from ancient language. A professor of Bible languages at Union Theological Seminary in New York, Dr. Marvin R. Vincent, wrote that in the KJV (and other old translations into English) some uses of 'worship' may seem to be "An unfortunate translation, according to modern English, but justified by the usage of earlier English, according to which to worship meant simply to honor. Worship is worthship, or honor paid to dignity or worth. This usage survives in the [British] expressions 'worshipful' and 'your worship.' In the marriage-service of the English Church occurs the phrase, 'With my body I thee worship.' So Wycliffe [one of the earliest English Bible translators] renders Matthew 19:19, 'Worship thy father and thy mother;' and John 12:26, 'If any man serve me, my Father shall worship him.'" - pp. 533, 534, Word Studies in the New Testament, vol. 1, Sage Software, 1996. So, just like the Bible words shachah (Hebrew) and proskuneo (Greek), the word 'worship' in English also, until relatively recent times, had various levels of meaning and could be applied to other men in a lower sense of the word. But the very same word also could be used in the highest sense to apply to the one true God only. So is there any scripture that says Jesus was worshipped as God, No He was shown honor as the Son of God. Rather Jesus himself said he had a God. Rev 3: 12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. And did he worship this God? John 4: 22 You worship what you do not know; WE worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Notice the word we. If he is God why does he worship God if he is God
@@examine4yourself623 i do favor the origional bible students over jws as i think Russell was on the right track.i think jws are finished because of the child abuse cover up and the evil shunning policy .they have no love in the org any more..i would never go back now.years of feeling depressed and stressed having no real relationship with jesus . now im glad to be done with it ..
@@johnfreeman8445 There is no Chid abuse cover up. Period. Have Elders handled some case incorectly. Absolutely and they will have to answer, even some legal advice from Bethel may not have been correct, but I personnaly know of a couple cases where the police were called imediatly. One, it was proven that it happened and he went to jail. The other was a custody case and the mother admited to the police she lied and no abuse ahd taken place and that the brothers name was dragged through the mud. Child abuse can be very complex and is not simply a cut and dried issue. No Jehovahs witneses will no go down because of Child abuse. Even the case before the Courts in canada is a farce. Most of the complatints have already had their day in court and were shown to have no evidence. It will go nowhere because it is full of falce accusations that were already proved wrong. Shunning is biblical. What else do you think it means when it says to remove the wicked one from among you. Do you really think an unrepentant fornicator should be a part of the Christion Congregation? That is exactly why Homosexuallity is tollerated by so many Christian denominations today. They are not interseted in bringing people to repentance. Acouple links for you th-cam.com/channels/QCCkwA_GkBc0j87L2QORRw.html th-cam.com/channels/UmOcheW_mDiDfC5cBw8uOg.html defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2009/11/index-sites-and-pages-in-defense-of_2379.html thirdwitness.com/childabuse/default.html
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Well done brother, You were spot on!
God lead me out of JW in 2015. Iv never felt more joy, since I found Jesus! 😀☀️
Henry Santiago idk if your a brother but I had this same thing happen to me I personally think it's the demons who are testing us right now but you know what if we end up surviving we may have the last laugh but.. if they are willing to accept jehovah then there spared
Henry Santiago BTW what kindomhall do u go to in Spanish English?
Henry Santiago very interesting story I hope to see you become a wittness
Henry Santiago thank you speaking of the Bible what's your favorite stricture mine is John 3:16
Was he breaking the Sabbath? How can you make YOURSELF equal with God?
Watching all his stuff now December 2020 this is hilarious!! I’ve only known him so serious and professional.
Lol same!!!
I'm now watching it, 👉🏻2021 hahaha...
@@androidboy1289 haha nice!
Me too. 🙂
Lol me too
I had a JW come to my door a few years ago, I asked the lady if she believed that only 144,000 people were going to heaven, she said Yes. I then asked her how many people followed JW Faith, she said millions. I then asked her how does she knows she is one of the 144,000? She said we have different beliefs and to have a nice day. I told her the same and that Christ died for all of us.
Wittneses beleive they will be resurrected on earth not heaven. There will be a few people that have the heavenly calling. But most will be ressurected to earth.
That always gets them.. And that Jehovah is a false name its truly yahweh or YHWH translated Jehovah in English. They hate that someone knows original Hebrew.
She should've said, that she doesn't have a heavenly calling and she hopes for an earthly life. Just because JWs believe that only 144 000 will be resurrected to heaven, that doesn't mean that only the 144 000 will be saved.
so.. babies and children are not allowed in heaven? even though jesus said that heaven belongs to them?
what a bunch of dumbasses
@@InitialPC you do know the majority resurrected will be on earth and not heaven right? lol
I love how this video is about leading people to Jesus and not being offensive to people of other faiths.
It's a gentle approach, but if I were a JW missionary I still might still be offended by the bold claim that my religion is, on a central issue, false. That's not to say I couldn't instead be appreciative of genuine good-faith critique.
@Truth Speak why do you say this
@@jeremywj mean or offensive? Yes just look at all the comments on TH-cam the hate is disgusting. But didn't Jesus say we would be hated by the world?
@@jazzbassf There's people of every faith that are treated in mean or offensive manners. Watch morman critique videos and you will see much the same. However while there are mean and offensive comments, most people commenting under this video have not been mean or offensive.
Maybe not offensive, but definitely biased. I find it difficult to swallow the disproving of one faith by supplanting it with another.
JW: Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about Jesus Christ?
Me: Sure guys, what do you wanna know?
Wow, praise God, that’s a great response.
JP Beauregard isn't your Jesus part of a trinity? Isn't the trinity a mystery? So how can you know Jesus if he is a mystery? To know God and Jesus means everlasting life....so the simple answer is. You do not know Jesus !
@jazzbassf fenderjazz Who said the trinity is a mystery? The bible clearly talks about how God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit being one.
@@samuelcristea4196 I was a Catholic for 30 years and the trinity did not make sense to me, so I asked the priest to explain and I still couldn't make sense, his answer to me and all the Trinitarians I spoke with tell me it's a mystery.
@@jazzbassf I don't know what they teach at the Catholic church, but based on the bible, we know that Jesus, being part of the Holy Trinity, is God's son and God in one. He is equal with God as mentioned in John 10:30 which states "I and My father are one." Jesus paid a debt no one could pay by dying on the cross for our sins (which I'm sure you know). So if we sin, we can repent of that sin by crying out to God in forgiveness. But after obtaining this grace and mercy from God, Paul says in Romans 6:1, 2 that this does not get us a free pass to sin. Read this passage,
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 6:1-11
God created a way for us to become righteous, not by our own works, but through him. Glory and praise to the father!!
God bless you my brother/sister in Christ. I pray he works on your heart as you seek him. Let me know if you still have any questions.
I'm watching this video 7 years after it aired and the difference between the past and present is hysterical. The shirt alone oh my goodness...
Whats wrong with the shirt?
All You got from this was what kinda T-Shirt he has on???...Hahah
@@woodgrainstudios7321 it's a joke bro chill out
@@etiquetteshart7611 wait...what did I say?...i cant find my comment...lol
I'm watching it at this very moment 11-2-21 at 8:25 pm...good stuff
This is the Mike Winger energy that we need in 2021
Sorry the energy comes from Christ Jesus not Mike winger
This is a superior example of what God can do through us.
@@debbievilleneuve9799 if you're in harmony with the Lord's, then God is working through your organization. No.1 the sanctification of the Fathers name Ezekiel 36:23 I will sanctify my great name which was profaned and the nations will have to know I am Jehovah. Jesus made God's name known at John 17:6. The name Jesus means " JEHOVAH is Salvation" no.2 is the Kingdom, Jesus was sent by God to preach the Kingdom Luke 4:43 "for this I've been sent to preach the kingdom of God "...
No.3 God's will done on earth as in heaven, if Heaven is a paradise , then it's God's will done for earth to be a paradise too. Psalms 37:29 the righteous themselves will possess the Earth and live forever upon it " the Earth will never be destroyed Ecclesiastes 1:4 which says a generation is coming a generation is Cohen but the Earth remains forever" so if you are in harmony with the Lord's Prayer then God is working through you just like Jehovah's Witnesses who are in harmony with that prayer. Many blessings to you if you can see what the Bible says about whom God is using.
@@jazzbassf We get it. You're more Christian than the guy making a joke in the comment section.
@@xMidan which comment?
My dad was an Old Baptist preacher and he actually invited JWs into the house to sit down and speak with him. He had one young lady very interested in our beliefs and asking him questions, and the older lady (who was clearly the "leader") practically dragging her out of our house so Daddy couldn't convert her! 😅
In reality there are over 2500 religions upon this earth. The vast majority of them have to be wrong and many believe they are ALL wrong.
So will he convert her to paganism, which is Christendom, they celebrate Pagan christmas, pagan easter, Pagan trinity, pagan immortality of soul, pagan Hellfire?
@@jazzbassf wow...
There are no words for how little you know or understand...
@@ericsmith1508 the Lord's prayer is all I need to know Matthew 6:9,10
John 17:3 to know the Father and his son means everlasting life. You'll notice no mention of third person. The trinity is a false doctrine see John 17:3
@@jazzbassf classic Christianity shows the true dates of the nativity ( late September) and Easter( the full moon Passover in April).. hell is the absence of God, allegorical to fire 🔥
Thank You Mike. Please Keep The Scripture's Coming.
I'm a severely disabled old man, I have 4 sisters and a brother whom are Jehovah's Witnesses, I Want too wake them up before I Die.
May God Bless You in the name of our father, Christ Our Lord & in The Holy Spirit !!
ill be praying for you and praise God He's put you in their lives. how's everything going now?
awee I pray that their eyes will be opened to the truth that Jesus is the only way, truth and life! How’s everything now? :)
@@lionrugissant my question is why is The amen the first of Gods creations rev 3:14 ? If Jesus is God why was he a created being ?
I don’t think our eyes need to be open but perhaps the other way around . Easy to cast a stone when you listen to this nonsense. Are we hated because we obey what’s taught in the bible ? Because we don’t celebrate pagan Christendom events , don’t fight war or accept transfusions? Or is it because we go house to house , door to door spreading the Good news of the kingdom to come and teach people about what the ransom sacrifice means for the future ?
@@shaydenwadleyfirst off, you are not hated. As Christians our hearts break for you that you do not know the freedom that there is in Christ. All of those works you are doing are not earning you salvation and are wearing JWs down, giving them a very high depression rate.
You are told to isolate yourselves and not become friends with those who don't believe the same things as you. Why is the JW faith not strong enough to stand being friends with those of different belief systems? Jesus never tells us to only talk to others if we think we can make them believe the exact same thing as us.
Our hearts break as we hear the things that the organization is telling you. That you need to be prepared to do whatever they tell you. Jesus wanted us to have a relationship with Him and to follow Him. Not to be so dependent on an organization to tell us what to do.
Praying for you Shayden. That you may learn of the hope and freedom that come from following Christ.
@@whitespringkids222 I have friends who aren’t Jehovahs witnesses so where did you hear that from ? Jehovahs witnesses are persecuted all around the world for sharing the Good news . I’m not sure why you think we don’t follow Christ ? Jesus is king of the kingdom , Jehovahs anointed son . he has set the example of how we should live our lives . So where do you find your information from ?
I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses and spent 40 years as a die-hard advocate. Through life traumas, God showed me the truth about that cult, and I was finally exposed to the real gospel. Just as Jesus was worshiped by His disciples when He appeared to them after His resurrection, we Christians today do rightly worship Him as God the Son.
Don't forget about worshipping Jehovah as God the Father and his spirit as God the Holy Spirit also. Never forget Trinity.
You just made my day! I have had good friends who were JW’s and I learned bitterly, that that is one HARD religious cult for people to escape from. I am so glad you are set free.
So, tell me true....Do you actually believe there is a God?
@@blackholeentry3489 There are many gods but there is only one true God that is the creator of life.
@@shylahtaeroni5454 I, just exactly like Neil van de Grasse Tyson (whom I saw just a couple of weeks ago in Oakland, CA) am an atheist and believe god to be a creation of man.
So, please explain to me....Who/What created this hypothetical God?
Okay I started watching Mike recently after seeing all of his professional and knowledgeable Bible videos, so I am SHOCKED he started out as this. I’m not complaining though; this is golden! XD
Mike does Flawed to Flawed sinistery ministry ? 😁 with a Wing nut twist 😨 Pastor Disaster , the fake Broad caster 😆👎👎🐍
@@lwmaynard5180 why are you typing so weird on purpose?
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.
Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know?
More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.”
When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
@acousticcade3889 Jesus never claimed to be God, yet there are tons of scriptures that show Jesus is not God but the son of God, and just one scripture of many is Jesus remained modest, always directing all glory to his Father: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God.” “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative.” “I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.”-Luke 18:18, 19; John 5:19, 30; 8:46; 14:6. In the book of Revelation the glorified Lord Jesus Christ repeatedly speaks of his Father as “my God.” At Revelation 3:12, for example, we read: “The one that conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.” This is in full harmony with Jesus’ earlier statement to Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.”-John 20:17
@acousticcade3889 First of all if The holy spirit was a person it would be mentioned primarily in John 1:1 and there is no mention because it's not, there are only 2 mentioned which is God Jehovah, and Jesus , What is your point on John 4:25-26? or question?
The acting in this is a gem.
This whole video is a gem
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you.....
did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing...
I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you..
It seems Mr winger came up with this on his own, hence why it fails....again.
@@ottooctavius585 spoken from a true JW
@@geoffwalker3969 winger is wrong...what else can I say?
@@ottooctavius585 explain this! Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves” (John 14:9-11).
As an (ex) JW, I loved it when people would share their faith with me and have a discussion. Two christians of sincerity talking about spiritual matters is so uplifting. I truly believe that no Christian denominations on earth have got it completely right, but I continue to worship God to the best of my ability in spirit and truth.
You must be born again. 😚
Fayley A.....I'd much rather have a chat with the late Carl Sagan, who had a realistic view of the immensity of the universe we all reside in and but most of all, our total insignificance within it.
Very true, no Christian denomination has it 100% correct, however there are some NON NEGOTIABLES, and the deity of Jesus is 100% a non negotiable. Therefore, JW is not and never will be a Christian denomination.
@@AMcDub0708 So, please explain something to me. If there is any veracity to ANY religion, why are there over 2500 currently existing today on this planet? And.....just how does anyone go about selecting the "correct" religion when ALL believe theirs is the right one? BHE
In my early years I attended church regurlarly, but gradually grew away and gave up attending entirely over 50 years ago. I am now pushing 83 and a sincere atheist.
There are over 400 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy and the Hubble Deep Field photos of the late 90's revealed over an estimated two trillion galaxies. With this knowledge in hand it is preposterous for anyone to believe we are somehow the center of a mythical god's creation. BHE
@@blackholeentry3489 So you look at the billions of stars and that's evidence to you that God DOESN'T exist? That just further proves His existence for me. You were created in the image of God and he sent his Son, Jesus, to die for us and give us eternal life despite our sinful nature, if you are to accept Him.
To the people in the comments saying how they just get rid of the Jehovah Witnesses; The point is not to push the Jehovah Witnesses away. It is to inspire them to think so that they may accept the Lord Jesus into their hearts and be granted eternal life into heaven.
Thsts what i was thinking
Amen, brother in Christ!
they already have him that is why they are alright
@@arthurdonehower6115 No they don't. JW's deny the deity of Jesus. That's a ridiculous heresy, given that Jesus Himself told everyone that He is God. It's why they crucified Him.
@@arthurdonehower6115
If they don't accept Jesus as their Savior, then they aren't saved.
They won't come to my house anymore, because I was suuuuuper excited to see them.
😂🤣
Same, i like debatting, they dont come anymore lol
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LMAO
Same here, at first they brought elders, the next time, then they stopped altogether!
I’ve been somewhat befriended by a JW who I’m planning on meeting next Saturday. Your videos are sooo helpful... you’re equipping so many people to help them show JWs the way to Christ. Thank you so much for this!
😂😂😂😂
My grandpa always got out his own Bible and corrected them on their views, eventually they just stopped coming to his house. Pretty sure they put a big red X on his house on their map 😂 I’ll always miss watching him tell the JWs “you’re wrong” lol
The Bibles are not much different. And most use a tablet now with the app on. The app let's them use not only their version but also let's them see the King James version and others.
At least they have something in place for when people do have questions.
My dad did the same thing, they gave up and never came back to the house.
Yvonne Mendoza you know the Bible’s are literally like exactly the same right?
@@javonrussell6310 no they aren't, at first glance they may seem like it but they aren't.
Yvonne Mendoza no, at first glance they seem they are, but they aren’t, there is only 3,161 different words used
Michael Winger, we need some of these musical elements in your upcoming videos asap. 🤣
Good advice. May I also recommend using the following...
Open the door with your Bible in hand and go to John 14:6. Keep the discussion and focus on that verse because it puts the focus on JESUS.
This has proven to work for me. They stop coming to my house because they saw my license plate (JHN 14 6) and I would not let the discussion get off that verse.
Proven effective!!
@Davidjon Daddy. Coupled with your "verse of the day," the question could be asked of them "Why does the Watchtower claim to be "the truth" when Jesus Himself already said that HE is the Truth?" "THE truth" is very specific (not 'a' truth') and it is JESUS, not the Watchtower. You have a great method. I hope I added to it a bit. Blessings!
Jesus was the way…the way to his God and Father Jehovah. If you are a mediator you can’t be the one you are between.
Plus ask them well why did Jesus give up his life to pay for sin????
@@NickHawaii but without believing in Jesus you cannot enter heaven
@@marko0944 Hello! No one is saying not to believe in Jesus. Of course we need to. He himself says in John 14:1 to believe in God and ALSO in him. It doesn’t mean they are the same being.
JW’s believe in Jesus as “the Christ, the Son of the Living God.” (Matthew 16:16)
Who is the living God according to the Bible?
watching this 9 years in the future from when it was made and its great to see that Mike has always been ground in the Bible.
Yeah he's an idiot at throwing the NWT BIBLE on the Ground , with the name JEHOVAH written over 7000 in it ? ? ?
I grab my 6’ walking stick, take off my shirt, fling open the door, and yell in my best Gandalf voice,
“YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!”
Works every time. And if you have guests seated at your table, this really adds to a memorable dinning experience.
I'm going to invite them in, put my headphones back on and go back to what I was doing. Maybe I'll play The Friendly Atheist for them too.
They will think you are from bethel church haha.
@@Jesussaves1993 ha ha ha! Good one
God loves you 🙏
Honestly as a Jehovah’s Witness, most of us have gotten guns pulled on us, (sometimes more than once) when we go up to a door, or just screamed at lol so if you invite us in we get really happy wether your polite or not. Also you can always just put a sign on your door that says “no watchtower people” lol 😂 or just no Jehovah’s witnesses. Also if you put a sign that says “no soliciting” even though we aren’t, some Jehovah’s witnesses won’t knock because they don’t want to make people angry.
Proverbs 8:22; John 5:19-47; John 6:36-38; John 14:6; John 16:28; John 17:1-26; Matthew 26:39; 1 Corinthians 15:47; Galatians 4:4; Philippians 2:6;
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you.....
did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing...
I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you..
It seems Mr winger came up with this on his own, hence why it fails....again.
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.
Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know?
More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.”
When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
@@ottooctavius585 At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.
Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know?
More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.”
When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
@@alexshatner3907 Exodus 18:11; Exodus 19:18; Exodus 24:17; Exodus 20:1-7; Exodus 23:13; Exodus 33:20; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 5:6-7, 24; Deuteronomy 10:20; Deuteronomy 6:14; 2 Samuel 7:22; 1 Chronicles 16:25-27; Psalm 83:18; Psalm 95:3; Psalm 96:4-5; Psalm 97:9; John 4:24; Luke 4:8; Jeremiah 10:10- 11;
Psalms 110:1-2; Luke 20:42; Acts 2:34-35; Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22; Matthew 22:41-46; John 14:28; Matthew 28:18; John 3:35; Acts 2:36; Philippians 2:5-11; John 5:21-22; Matthew 24:31; Revelation 19:15, 16; Zechariah 14:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:24,28; Zechariah 14:9;
@@alexshatner3907 otto is not a Trinitarian...Jehovah's Witnesses are not Trinitarians.
It's so funny that i found this video. I can specifically remember being a young kid hanging out at my grandparent's home and that's exactly what they did when JW's came to the door.
Grandma: "Quick close the curtains! It's Jehovah's Witnesses again!!" 😂 Ah ... good times!
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you.....
did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing...
I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.
Over the years, the best method I've found to permanantly rid yourself of the JW pests......I have a seven gallon bucket of stinky sinkwater sitting by my front door.....works wonders and I've only applied it's cold magic once as word quickly spread both north and south of the border. Fact is....they even quit coming on my ENTIRE street and/or within seven blocks of my house! My ex SIL, who is a practicing JW, took my side when I divorced her sister 20 years ago, and tells me they do have in their possession a "Do NOT call list." I surely must have been placed upon it, cause praise whatever powers that be, haven't even seen a single JW in the entire neighborhood in over ten years. Halleluja! Praise Holy Scornapitza! BHE
Mike you should definitely make more videos like this. The silly humor combined with the serious message is amazing
They did say oppressive wolves would enter among the flock and not treat it with tender care . Apostate Christendom who have deviated from the pure teachings of Christianity. I’m glad to be part of Jehovahs great organisation under the rulership of his son Christ Jesus .
Jesus gave all praise to his father he will not be happy when he returns to see what has happened .
@@shaydenwadley Not today Satan. Get behind me.
@@tjmiller5060 what denomination are you ?
I like it. When Witnesses come to my door, I engage them in polite conversation and often end up asking them if 'Jesus lives in their hearts'. "Do you have the Spirit of Christ in your heart" I ask? If you don't, the bible says you don't belong to God. It always makes them think. Good video, thanks :)
Where in God's Word is it written Jesus lives in their hearts?
@@jamesneale8131 There are actually quite a few scriptures which state this. For instance Colossians 1:27 "Christ in you, the hope of glory". Also in Romans 8:9&10 which says that if the Spirit of GOD doesn't dwell in us we can't please Him -- then right after it repeats "But if anyone doesn't have the Spirit of CHRIST, he does not belong to to Him. (So Spirit of God is the same as Spirit of Christ -- that's oneness) Then in verse 10: "And if Christ is in you. . ." Of course, to be more exact God / Jesus lives in our hearts via the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for your reply Rocco Panepinto, another question though, how then does the spirit of Christ come to reside in our hearts?
@@jamesneale8131 better read the bible amd talk to the holy spirit man. I can also explain it to you, but i perceived that you dont have communion with the Word of God.. you need to talk to God personally everyday
@@user-fg7kk1kn6b with my question I was hoping that Rocco would explain his position regarding Christ and how he came to it.
You say, "whaddya meme?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL
Lel
The beginning of this video cracked me up😂😂😂 wasn’t ready for this version of Mike Winger!
Man alive!! Watching Mike Winger’s early days give me hope for my channel!! 🤣🤣🤣 that “You don’t have to hide” jingle is legit tho!!
I want to personally thank you Mike Winger. Mr. Winger you have really opened my eye for my need to study, and understand the word of God. Oh Here is another verse about Jesus being equal with God. In the beginning was the "word" and the word was with God and the word was God.. Later in the chapter proclaims the word became flesh and dwelt among us. That would be Jesus.
Hahaha, it's young Mike Winger! I didn't know you have been making videos this long.
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.
Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know?
More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.”
When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
They came to my door this morning and I showed them verses 17 and 18. Apparently it made all the JWs on the block run away. Please pray for them. Thanks!
@Bobby I won’t run. Feel free to ask me anything. I’m one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
@@NickHawaii Matt 5:22 (NWT): "However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful+ with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice"
NWT here has Jesus stating that if one becomes angry (wrathful), then they have sinned. Jesus got angry twice, so the NWT states that Jesus is a sinner which invalidates the Gospel. The word/concept of 'continued wroth' isn't even represented in the original Greek that I can tell for this verse.
Starwars is Dead Sadly that's not what the NWT is saying at all. Right now I'm actually putting my hand on my forehead, shaking my head back and forth. It's actually painful to hear someone literally butcher the text and the understanding of the NWT, as bad as you just did.
The NWT translation is in fact not saying that if someone becomes angry, that they have sinned. This is in direct conflict and violation of what the scriptures teach.
For instance, the Greek translated word for anger at Matthew 5:22 is "orgizo". Definition #1 is to "be angry", and also "is positive when inspired of God, and negative when arising from the flesh."
To further confirm that anger can be a good thing, and is not in of itself a sin, is further confirmed at Ephesians 4:26, were we read "Be wrathful, but do not sin." Please quote this from your favorite translation.
The Greek word for "wrathful" here at Ephesians 4, is the same Greek word that is used at Matthew 5:22 for "anger".
Therefore the scriptures indicate it is okay to become upset, if someone verbally or emotionally abuses you, or if you in fact see injustice taking place. You can in fact get upset, and justifiable anger is not in of itself sin. However as the scriptures indicate, just do not sin. It is when anger gets out of control, and a person loses his temper, that sin is likely to result.
So therefore the NWT has rendered the text correctly, in that harboring resentment, or holding on to anger toward a fellow believer, for quite a period of time will result in sin.
Finally the Borean Bible translates Matthew 5:22, similarly to the NWT, we read "But I say to you that everyone being angry with his brother"...
@@NickHawaii yes. Your bible somewhat follows Alexandrian text. That is where you get a passage that make christ a sinner. Your bible contradicts itself.
Matt 5:22 "borean bible" aka minority text. "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment."
ANYONE including the speaker himself since this quote is before the cross. So ephesians can say whatever it wants. It contradicts itself. Who is telling the truth here? Jesus? Paul?
The usage of it was orgizomenos, "being angry with". The quote gives no context of which anger. Just anger. Moreover it is a direct command from Jesus about anger so referencing God in this context makes no sense since this is about contrasting people against sin and anger. Not God and anger. Most scholars side with the byzantine text for issues like this. But to accept that is to accept also that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
Starwars is Dead Yes the form used of this word was ὀργιζόμενος, a present passive participle verb form of the word. it comes from the root οργη, meaning anger. that Jesus showed anger, got angry on several occasions is beyond dispute. "For example, the anger of Jesus was not simply “spiritual” anger; it was real anger (Mark 3:1-6) which sometimes involved inflamed speech (e.g., Matt. 18:1-6; 23:1-39; cf. Gal. 5:12; Rev. 16) as well as physical violence (John 2:15)" Holmgren, F. C. (1987). Israel alive again: a commentary on the books of Ezra and Nehemiah (p. 155).
In fact the Dictionary of Bible themes section 2009 is entitled "Jesus Christ, Anger of" which details every place Jesus showed anger.
So a student of the Bible needs to reconcile verse 5:22 with the fact that Jesus got angry on occasion. Most translations are vastly inferior to the NWT translation in translating the present participle as "is angry", "are angry" with exceptions of the NEB and REB (an update of the NEB) that have "nurses anger".
These other translation give the impression that just to get angry is a sin, which Ephesians 4:26 and Ecclesiastes 1 for instance proves that it is not, (unless all hate is without anger, LOL).
The NWT translators understood that while on many occasions the present tense/aspect of a verb may be simply translated with the present tense forms of 'to be', is and are, the context and general knowledge of the subject must also be consulted as to whether the continuous action of the verb -which also can be nuanced in the present tense needs to be emphasized.
The continuous action of the verb is emphasized by the NWT by the NWT rendering, "continues wrathful", hence the long duration of anger against one's brother is emphasized by the the NWT, NEB and REB, but virtually all other translations cause Jesus to be a hypocrite with their un-nuanced translations.
Hence your argumentation is actually against all OTHER translations that do not pick up on this nuance, so they make Matthew 5:22 sound as though it is wrong to ever get angry, tell Jesus that .
Most translations state they follow NA28 as their translation source whereas NWT follows WH. Yet majority of translations switch to following the wescott/hort greek text at Mark 1:41 and read 'moved with compassion' following the greek verb in WH, σπλαγχνισθεις, having been moved with pity, instead of the Greek text they usually follow, NA28 which actually has a form of orgizo, ὀργισθείς, having been made angry, hence another proof of Jesus becoming temporarily angered, having the emotion of anger. note the following.
"The NIV describes Jesus as “filled with compassion.” What the NIV does not note is that a very old and important manuscript (D) reads “filled with anger.” In this context and coming from Jesus, anger initially seems wrong. That may argue for its originality, however, since copyists tended to change difficult readings into more acceptable ones.
Moreover, the fact that both Matt 8:3 and Luke 5:13 omit the word in their retelling of the story is more explainable if the original word were “anger” than if it were “compassion.” Anger may not be as offensive as it first appears if one recalls that in Judg 10:16 “[God] became indignant over the misery of Israel” (RSV), much as Jesus does here.
If “anger” was the original reading, it must clearly mean that Jesus was indignant at the misery of the leper (so John 11:33-38), for Jesus willingly healed him. As though the leprosy were dispelled by holy wrath, Mark declares, “Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cured.” Edwards, J. R. (2002). The Gospel according to Mark (p. 70). Eerdmans.
AH YES. PEAK MIKE WINGER 😂😂😂 So glad I've found these! Side note: I greatly appreciate your content Pastor Mike. It's really helped me think biblically about the things that go on in the world! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I feel that anytime I hear that infamous JW knock, I’ll also see the clouds open and the sun shine through with a voice singing “YOU DON’T HAVE TO HIDE WHEN JEHOVAH WITNESSES COME TO YO DOOR OH!”
So many admit they hide but why? We love our neighbors and want to share with them the best news ever. 😀
@Margaret Kpeh Many opposers love to call Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult. That isn’t the case with us.
@Margaret Kpeh Who are the closest to Jesus’ real disciples who have love among themselves? Jesus said we would know them by the love. (John 13:35)
@Margaret Kpeh That wasn’t my question? Can you try again?
I just tell them you teach me your religion then I want you to accept Blessed Virgin Mary. Then they walk out and says have a nice day
I don't know much about Jehovah witness(es), but I had a couple of elderly jw ladies who knocked on the door this afternoon. Quick side note I'm a new Christian - gave my life to Christ September 12, 2019. Following the short small talk with the ladies I told them as they walked up, I'd rcd a strong presence of the Holy Spirit and just prior I was also in the house listening to a sermon/podcast about the book of Revaluation. Then with excitement I raised my hand up high and said "Lord Jesus, please come back soon!"
I am 100% confident that the Holy Spirit was making intercessions on my behalf.
Praise Jesus 🤲🙏🙌👏
Read Philippians 2: 5, 6
Angela Revealtion 1:17,18. Who is that talking about. Jesus Christ. Blessings to you sister! Stay strong in the word. Praying for you. ⛪
Resurrected Eyes You get baptized with the spirit at the moment you accept Jesus as your savior 1 Corinthians 12:13
Just remember Jesus always has someone God to him. Jehovah is his Name.
I always ask them to read Hebrews chapter one out loud with me.
Love that chapter
It’s important to remember Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But all three are distinct persons.
Jesus was fully human as well as being fully God. In his humanity he did not want to suffer and was tempted in all points as we are. But his essence was still God.
@@---qb1bf This is why the Trinity exists.
The Son is not the Father, but they are both God alongside the Holy Spirit.
@@---qb1bf Jehovah is the father of Jesus people think that Jesus and Jehovah is the same they’re not u don’t have to go off Bible if u feel it’s fake but I started studying not to long ago and I love JW the Bible really speaks to me and answers my questions
@@---qb1bf definitely thank you for that spiritual encouragement Ik every brother and sister isn’t perfect but I love JW and I love Jehovah so much he’s taught me so many things that help me so much principals and Bible scriptures that help with the principals
I decided to give the JWs love and a pineapple plant. I showed them our dragon fruit plants and we discussed the beauty of God’s creation. My heart was filled for compassion for them, they are “so close” yet so lost without Jesus and who he really is.
Please pray the seeds sown will bear good fruit by the work of the Holy Spirit.
Are you saying we don’t believe in Jesus ? Jesus is king of the kingdom he set the example for us on how to live our lives . Was lovely of you to be civilised with our fellow brothers. . Jehovahs creation is amazing . Have you read Rev 3:14 and proverbs 8:22-30 may I urge you to check it out and let me know what you make of it . Thank you
I love it when JWs come to my door. I always lead them into a gospel conversation. Now I have even more provocative tools to use. Thanks for the video.
I'm sure they'll enjoy that!! Almost are encouraged when people ask questions, it will give them motivation to come back.
Spaceman Spiff I’m a JW. Ask me any questions as if I came by to talk. I’m ready.
A bucket of stale fishwater works wonders. After a thorough dousing, JWs crossed my entire street off of their calling list. I've not seen a JW on my entire street in 20 years or even in the general area after I applied my techique on them, making sure I thoroughly doused their Awake proganda sheets.
That opening cracks me up! Wish Mike would return to this humor style every once in awhile.
Jordan Rector: I think you are right. Occasionally Mike should inject some humor into his videos. I realize they are serious topics, but some humor could be beneficial.
Mike Winger and I don't always agree straight down the line, but I like his videos.
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you.....
did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing...
I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you.
@@ottooctavius585 copy paste tldr
@@northstar2621 is what was said by otto true or not?
@@leecooper3852 There's discussion of this under a different comment of his. He has left several identical comments under different comments.
Please pray for my wife, she is currently studying with the JW'S and it is ripping our family apart.
R H did you not read in the scriptures that anyone who loves mother ,brother, sister more than me is not worthy of me, also the enemies of your household will be your family.
@jazzbassf fenderjazz I know that scripture very well. Micah chapter 7 is were Jesus got that from check it out. Micah 7:5-6 Do not put faith in your companion Or trust a close friend. Guard what you say to the one who lies in your embrace. 6 For a son despises his father, A daughter rises up against her mother, And a daughter-in-law is against her mother-in-law; A man’s enemies are the men of his household.
@@rh3309 so tell me RH why are people turning against you and disrupting the family is it because you're studying the Bible? What are they afraid of everything Jehovah's Witnesses believe in is in the Bible
@@jazzbassf Because they are not a friend of peace.
I'll pray that she continues because John 17:3 says this means everlasting life they're knowing you the only true God and the one who you sent Jesus Christ
Bruh...like literally few days back God lead me to read this chapter and I found the exact two verses to stand out, ofc my intention to search it is because my Grandma kept quoting me that verse where Jesus says that the Father is greater than Him(which is undoubtedly from the same chapter having a context). I'm blown away by God's Faith it's just good. He never fails His promises and He's definitely gon save my grandma from the cult!!! Please keep her and my family in your prayers, and God bless you Bro. Mike and all the others reading, thank you:)💗🔥
@April G .. but none of those scriptures show a 'Trinity' - how so?
Do you have problems reading plain English?
1. Where do your beliefs come from. I sugest they come from a person in the last few centuries who proclaimed new teachings which have no historical basis. Why should i believe this person, did he do miracles to prove he was from God? Do your beliefs match up with first century Christian beliefs? If not, why? Do you believe Christianity was wrong until your organisation turned up? If so, why do you believe any of it, including the bible?
Good follow-ups! They work well for anyone (Mormons, etc) who had "added to or taken away" from the Bible.
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Basically, if the Bible is insufficient, then why trust any of it? Jesus affirmed the Old Testament, and he proved what the inspired NT authors say about him thru miracles and the resurrection. Christianity all hinges on Jesus being trustworthy, and in the end we trust him with our souls or we do not.
That's 7 questions.
This was superb material to prepare myself with the inevitable 'knock on the door' and cope with and possibly plant some seeds in the heads of a Jehovah Witness. Thanks and God Bless
soccertoons What did Jesus answer? Did he say yes I am or ... look at Vs 19. The son can do nothing of himself?????? Sure a real claim to equality ... not. He can do only what he sees the father do and then .... vs 26 makes it worse trinitarians is Jesus has to be given life in himself, he does not have it naturally. Context counts more than fake claims.
In my experience, I've found a seven gallon bucket of ice water, complete with ice cubes, works wonders. No JW has knocked on my door in over ten years and, in fact, I haven't even seen one on my street in all of that time.
My ex SIL is a JW and tells me they do have a ''Do not call list."
Thanks man....this young kid approached me at the bus stop yesterday and thought it was nice but didnt want to make him feel bad and thought to refresh on questions to ask them for the next run in!!!!
I so appreciate this bc I met the sweetest older woman & her Down's syndrome granddaughter recently.
It took a minute, but then I realised the were witnesses.
They are now texting me with Bible study videos & asking me to do Bible study with them.
I want desperately to end it, but nicely and with something they can understand.
Tell them you looked into the child abuse cover ups of the cult and you want to immediately terminate the Interactions.
I really appreciate these short, but extremely informative videos. I'd love to see more like this one.
Please keep these videos and never remove them, this is Gold lol
haha didn't know Mike has this side of him..
hope to see more of this! 😂😂😂
Have them read Psalm 7:9, then Jeremiah 17:10, and finally Revelation 2:23 (all from the NWT) out loud for you. Ask them "who is speaking?" after they finish each verse.
I've wondered what to say in the past, now it was on my feed. Thank you Lord and thank you Mike for listening to the Spirit, keep it up!!!
Read Philippians 2: 5,6
Revelation 1:17,18 also. Who is that speaking of?
Eve 9:20
For any neighbor who approches, must accept the passers by smell, for God has said to all he who smelt it dealt it
Wyatt Cerri What does Jesus do in the future at 1 Corinthians 15:24-28? 🤔
Hahahahaa I love you so much Mike! I've been diving into your more recent stuff and ran across this. I've really only experienced the more serious topics and hadn't experienced you in this light before. I enjoyed it very much 😁
At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ said: “But of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” But if the Father and the Son are coequal, how could the Son be ignorant of things the Father knows? ‘Jesus had two natures,’ some will answer. ‘Here he is speaking as a man.’ And, yet, even if that were so, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is the third person of the Trinity, why does it not know? A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is part of the Trinitarian chain.
Similarly, on an earlier occasion Jesus had said: “No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son.” (Luke 10:22) Once again, what about the “Holy Ghost”? If it is a conscious part of the “Godhead,” coequal with the Father and the Son, why does it not know?
More than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has known the mind of the Lord [the Father] so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” (1 Corinthians 2:16) How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”-if the Father and the Son are coequal? This doctrine was unknown to the Hebrew prophets and Christian apostles.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967 edition, Vol. XIV, p. 306) admits that “the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the OT [Old Testament].” It also admits that the doctrine must be dated as from about three hundred and fifty years after the death of Jesus Christ. So the early Christians who were taught directly by Jesus Christ did not believe that God is a “Trinity.”
When Jesus was on earth he certainly was not equal to his Father, for he said there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Furthermore, he prayed to his Father for help when undergoing trial. (Luke 22:41, 42) Also, he himself said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Because of this, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”-
Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin.
M b you guys are depicting your own future. Listening to some guy on TH-cam , rather than studying and reading books and understand why things are the way they are. Why these “trinitarians” thoughts came to be, and why the Bible NT is tricking people because of all the switch of words.
@@ezequieldiaz7282 Revelation 12:18 - 19 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The Bible is the Word of God.
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So in your opinion why do the Trinitarians believe what we believe?
As an exJW my favourite starter is: According to the NT who has the name that is greater than any name?
Another follow on is: The Bible agrees with you that we are Witnesses. But according to Jesus's final words, who are we witnesses of?
It can get a discussion because of their obsession with the name Jehovah.
This is way better than my standard response of, "Oh, I'm sorry...I can't listen to you...I'm in the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program."
I have a number of approaches, but perhaps one of the best is to say, "I will become a Witness if you can show me that Jerusalem fell in 605 BC, from a source OTHER than the Watchtower organisation." I realise this is obscure to a non-JW, but this date is key to their prophetic timeline, and if it's wrong - which it is, Jerusalem fell in 586 BC - much of what they claim collapses like a house of cards. You will not get them to admit they're wrong to your face, but they will go home and check. And then their problems begin.
Regarding 607. Bc. Absolutely. The temple was rebuild in 537 BC. !!! The SCRIPTURES SAY the jews were in captivity for 70 years !! Jw just agree with scripture!! Realize,, the event of temple destruction wasn't recorded untill much later. The process of relocating jewish people to babalon was achieved in 3 phase, of about 7 years. THE THRONE OF JEHOVAH ( TEMPLE) WAS DESOLATE IN 607. THE CITY OF JERUSELUM WASNT VACANT UNTILL 587 BC. Perhaps certain people should study more , complain less!! 😢😢😢😊😊
I lived in an area where there’s some pretty aggressive and relentless JWs that would routinely pound on my door. There’s always two of them- one is experienced, and one is inexperienced. And they always have a pitch. The aggressive one, the one who starts the conversation, or attempts to start the conversation with you at the door has more “experience”.
I had a good friend in high school and elementary school who was raised in the JW religion, so I had a lot of exposure to their crap.
Anyway, on this particular day, I got my door banged on by them. I knew who they were before I even opened the door. The experienced one throws her pitch out at me immediately, and hers was, “We are here on ‘Christian’ business, and we know that everybody is worried about all the terrible things that are going on in the world and it’s really scary.” Okay. Weird. Opening up with fear tactics to try to draw you in.
I was kind of busy and I don’t know where it came from but I wanted to end the conversation before it even started, and so I responded “I don’t really worry about what’s going on in the world today. I put my faith in Jesus Christ. Who do you put your faith in?“
That was the closest I ever saw actual steam coming out of someone’s ears. The nervous inexperienced girl was shuffling her feet and looking at her “leader“ for some kind of direction, and the experienced woman snarled at me and huffed a little bit, jammed her watchtower magazines back into the briefcase, and stormed off.
I guess that was too challenging of a question for her.
During 2020 I started getting handwritten letters from JWs instead of visits because of Covid. I wrote back to one of them. I was polite, but I told them that I was annoyed that are they only used their first names… No last name… And gave no real return address on their letter, and Yet felt that it was OK to know MY name, first and last, and send me a letter where they could remain anonymous basically. The return address was their particular branch of kingdom hall. I also told them that they probably should throw away the perverted Bible and go to the web site, bible gateway, and do some comparison reading of the different legitimate versions of the Scriptures. They did not respond.
I’ve tried to engage with JW as a few times, and used scripture and was patient and kind and so on and so on but my experience was that they are so brainwashed that most of them just are literally spiritually blind. I did unsettle a number of inexperienced ones when I used scripture to point out their errors… So maybe those planted seeds took hold… I don’t know, but the longer a person is in that cult, the harder it is for them to break away.
Just ignore JWs. Simple.
Ezekiel 2:5 As for them, whether they listen or refuse to listen-for they are a rebellious house-they will certainly know that a prophet was among them.
I'm very welcoming when JW's, Mormons, etc., come to my home because I'm going to instruct and teach them primarily on what is already written in The Holy Bible ONLY (not any pamphlets or additional books) and NOT focus on any denominations.
just had two JW in my house, & they point blank refused to watch this video, I made a compromise & had to put headphones on then relay the relevant bits, but it didn't go too well , as I am sure you can imagine that is not the best way to convey the points, Btw they both pointed out with some satisfaction that the uploader is using an outdated NWT... (they said "he should be unseeing the grey NWT not the black one) That just made me think blimey how often do they change their book? I did say to them I was disappointed in them refusing to watch the video as it says to me that their faith is easily rocked.
I think its the first time since they first made the original, but to be frank, interpretations are similar to the anus, everyone has one and mostly stink. But gosh darn I love the person Jesus was, too bad that's been lost in time.... I'm curious, do any of you believe in the cross? just wondering if the item used to torment and kill earth's greatest example was important enough to ignore the command of taking NO idols (no exception as far as I can tell), especially one which shares a striking resemblance to the Babylonian god Tamus symbol?.....
These are great points you make about Christendoms idolatry. Actually your absolutely right, the stake Jesus was killed on was an upright pole, only for the surrounding nations unholy practices was it changed and venerated later. Most important, keep Gods commandments, don't lie cheat steal fornicate kill, do be good to your neighbor and hope for the best lol.
Yea, any idiot knows the REAL Jesus is the DESTROYER, ABADDON, like the Watcthower so astutely shows. RIght?
Maybe someone should show them Isaiah 54:16. It says in 25 English translations, ...I have created the destroyer to "destroy", or "wreak havoc."
Hello Mike, i am sorry to say this in a harsh manner but you are out of your mind for saying all that you've said. Please stop misleading these people..! Jesus himself said " my father" and not my son.! Be wise and use your common sense to think.! Mr Mike, oh please stop misleading the public. A day would come when your child, your son would call you his son, i hope that would make you happy. Jesus never ever mentioned in any part of the bible that God was his son.
Jesus never claimed to be on the same level as Almighty God. He said: “The Father is greater than I am.”-John 14:28.
Jesus’ early followers did not view him as being equal to Almighty God. For example, the apostle Paul wrote that after Jesus was resurrected, God “exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position.” Obviously, Paul did not believe that Jesus was Almighty God. Otherwise, how could God exalt Jesus to a superior position? -Philippians 2:9.
Jesus himself says; My "Father" has kept working until now, and I keep working.”-John 5:17.
hey consider it blasphemy for him to view God as his Father, as if Jesus’ saying that Jehovah is his Father amounts to making himself equal to God. However, Jesus is unafraid and answers them further regarding his special relationship with God. “The Father has affection for the Son,” he says, “and shows him all the things he himself does.”-John 5:20.
Jesus continues: “Just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to.” (John 5:21) What a meaningful statement, giving hope for the future! Even now, the Son is raising the dead in a spiritual sense. Hence, Jesus says: “Whoever hears my word and believes the One who sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.”-John 5:24
As extraordinary as Jesus’ role is, he makes it clear that he is subordinate to God, stating: “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. . . . I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.” (John 5:30)
Please everybody reading this comment; do you always say something because somebody told you to say it, you're human, human just like that person trying to mislead you. Do your research, come up with your own answers so you could always answer for yourself and not say what other people are saying. God bless you all.
I’ve confronted the Jehovah Witness several times . When you tell them that the King James Version of the Bible is still the best transition of the Bible they get locked up . Then I take them to the scriptures in the KJV and prove that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh . That the name that Jesus declared in John 17:20 where it says “ And I have declared unto them thy name , and will declare it : that the love wherewith thou hast love me , may be in them , and I in them “ . The name Jehovah is never mentioned in anywhere in the four gospels. The only name He ever declared is Jesus which means Jehovah has become our salvation . Then if their still there I give them Isaiah 9:6 where it says the child born is “ the mighty God , the Everlasting Father, the prince of peace “ . He’s the Emmanuel which being interpreted God with us . In Matthew 1:23 . 1TIMOTHY 3:16 “ Great is the mystery of Godliness, God was manifest in the flesh “. John 14:9 Jesus said to Philip “ he that hath seen me hath seen the Father “ . Revelation 1:8 Jesus calmed to be the “ Almighty “ . And the Bible is full of scriptures that’s proves Jesus is The Father . They will be looking for the door when you give the chapter and verse of who Jesus is . Have a blessed day .
I argue with one this morning
Louis Whitehead I covered Isaiah 9:6 in a post above. That's the problem with the KJV, it was translated by people who believed in the Trinity so that was reflected in the wording that was used. The fact is, in the 1800's the Church of England decide a new updated version was necessary since the Authorized Version had so many errors. The Revised Standard Version of 1901.
John 14:7-9 The Greek word that Matthew uses for “see” also means “to see with the mind, to perceive, know.” Since Jesus perfectly reflected God’s personality, he could say: “He that has seen me has seen the Father also.”
John 1:18 " No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
" The Bible does not contradict itself.
You need a modern English version of the Bible where most all the translation errors of the KJV have been corrected.
Revelation 1:8 “The Lord God says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the One who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty!’” (The New American Bible) Clearly, the reference here is to the Most High God Jehovah.
While Jesus Christ is referred to in the previous verse as “coming with the clouds,” the words of Revelation 1:8 and the surrounding verses show that he could not be “the Alpha and the Omega.” In the Scriptures, only the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is spoken of as “the Lord God” and as the “Almighty.” Jesus Christ even refers to his Father as “my God.” (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12
There is no Scripture that says the Father and Jesus are the same person. It may appear that way but an unbiased examination of Scripture clarifies that.
According to the King James Version (1611), 1 Timothy 3:16 was rendered: “God was manifest in the flesh.” However, were you aware that a long battle took place to obtain an accurate text? One individual who was involved in this was John James Wetstein (1693-1754).
With many other manuscripts now confirming Wetstein’s reading, accurate modern translations read: “He was made manifest in flesh,” or “He who . . . ,” referring to Jesus Christ. (American Standard, Moffatt, Weymouth, Spencer, The New English Bible) But Wetstein was charged with tampering with the text and speaking against the doctrine of the Trinity, and this was viewed as heretical.
Accurate modern translations read: “He was made manifest in flesh,” or “He who . . . ,” referring to Jesus Christ. (American Standard, Moffatt, Weymouth, Spencer, The New English Bible)
By the way, I wouldn't be looking for the door, I'd just show you the Truth.
You can say the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Then you can say the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not God. Then you can say God is not God 3X and you still think you are sane, that you haven't lost your mind one bit.
Dave Jordan , in John 4:24 Jesus said “ God is a Spirit , and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth “ . So that tells us that God the Father is the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit . Father and Holy Spirit is the self same God . It’s not two beings but one Spirit . In Matthew 1:20 it says “ But while he thought on these things , Behold , the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream , saying , Joseph , thou sin of David , fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife : for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost “ . So the Father of Jesus is the Holy Ghost. In Colossians 1:15 it says , referring to Jesus , “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature “ . Take your Bible now and read through verse 20 in that chapter. When Jesus appeared to the disciples after his resurrection in John 20:27-29 it says in verse 28 “ And Thomas answered and said unto him , ( Jesus ) My Lord And my God “. Peter said in Acts 2:36 “ Therefore Let all the house of Israel know assuredly , they God hath made that same Jesus , whom ye have crucified , both Lord and Christ “ . Acts 20:28 says “ Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock , over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers , to feed the church of God , which he purchased with his own blood “. This scripture said God purchased the church with his own blood . But God the Father didn’t have blood so he became a man so he could purchase the Church with his own blood . You see God had three titles. He was Father of creation , Son in redemption , Holy Ghost in regeneration . That’s not complicated to understand . I’m a Father , I’m a son , I’m a husband , I’m a grandfather , I’m a teacher , I’m a musician , and the list goes on but there’s only one of me . Their just titles to what I am in different situations . I’m a teacher to my pupils , I’m a father to my children , I’m a husband to my wife , I’m a musician when I play music . Jesus is the Emmanuel which being interpreted God with us in Matthew 1:23 . Jesus said several times to the Jews “ You neither know the scriptures nor the power of God “. 2 Corinthians 4:6 says “ For God , Who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts , to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ “. Maybe this little Bible study will enlighten you on who God is and his name is “ JESUS “ .
john 14:28 and this?
This is the shortest most specific Mike Winger video I've seen. Well done pastor!
Jack Jones What he doesn’t talk about is Jesus always has someone who is God to him. Jehovah is His Name.
As a former Witness. I just tell them I'm not interested and close the door respectively. If you don't do nothing they will mark you as not home and most likely return. No religious debate is going to change anything. If anything it will solidify their persecution complex. A seed might help but self discovery and awareness that you are trapped in a cult will bring them out of it. That's what happened to me.
I agree- when they come to your door it’s either you welcome them or you don’t- if you don’t tell them you don’t- and they will leave in peace and that’s it .
I usually lead the conversations with most of them. I had a few little sweet old women that visited me one day, wound up bringing two more from their congregation next visit just so they could have them meet & talk with me. It wasn't terrible.
I also have that experience.. It wasnt bad. Theyre helping me to understand the truth and the bible's true message. I became a bible study. They never quit helping and teaching me they are so amazing! Praise God's kingdom!
I actually compared them to other belief system and I think theyre teachings are really based on the bible! I never heard those messages to other religion and you can really see it by the fruits of their organization. By the time you fully understand the bible and all stuff, u can actually realize that this is the truth and its different forn the other religion!
My friend let us continue finding the gems and we will know in the end that God has a brighter future for those people who really seek about Truth and God and whats life's purpose☺☺
Welcome them!
May you have a blessed way of learning! Jehovah will bless you☺
@@memyself8172 They we're not teaching you the truth. It's an organization that blasphemes God.
John 14: 26, John 16: 7-15. The Holy Spirit is Person. I stack continuously to these verses
crystal words boi in John it says the ghost in the kjv
crystal words
if the Holy Spirit is a person, then why is there not description of the Holy spirit in heaven, no throne, no robe, no white hair like the father and his son, not one mention or description. God has a Throne and Jesus sits at his right hand, the 24 elders have thrones and so do all the saints, where is the throne of the Holy Spirit in heaven. thank./ Many blessings to you if you can see that the holy spirit is not a person, even thought there are many figurative descriptions on earth which is no more a mystery than personalizing chapter Psalms 148.Praise him, sun and moon;
praise him, all you shining stars.
4 Praise him, you highest heavens
and you waters above the skies. How can inaminate objects priase God, since only humans can do that ? Which proves the holy spirit is not a person.
@crystal words
so Crystal my friend is the holy spirit a person in heaven like Christ and the Father?
The father has a throne, Jesus has a throne, the 24 elders have at throne and all the saints have thrones. Jesus has white hair, the father has white hair, Jesus has a robe, the father has a robe. So please can you show me one scripture of a similar description of the holy spirit in heaven? So far I have never found one single scripture with such a description. According to the bible the holy spirit is everywhere and it is God's spirit of power, but it is never described as a person in heaven. Please do not show me figurative speech on earth since I can show you figurative of inanimate things described as persons like the mountains the sea etc praising God.. I can also show you blood described as crying from the ground to God, blood is not a person. Only humans can praise God see Psalms 148 "3:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
this is why God's word is alive and exerts power Hebs 4:12
@crystal words here are more scriptures that personify inanimate things in the bible, so are these people or persons?
'Let the floods clap their hands; let the hills sing together for joy' (Psalm 98:8).
'When the waters saw you, they were afraid; the very deep trembled' (Psalm 77:16).
'Then the moon will be abashed, and the sun ashamed' (Isaiah 24:23).
'What have you done? Listen; your brother's blood is crying out to me from the ground' (Genesis 4:10).
so it is with personifying the holy spirit which is God's power or his active force which is clearly seen in the bible when it speaks about God's powerful holy spirit.
@@jazzbassf Your argumentation is a red herring. There are several other verses that show that the Holy Spirit is a person. "When HE, the Spirit of Truth comes, HE will guide you into all the truth." Even though the Greek word for Spirit is neuter, John doesn't use neuter pronouns and definite articles that are neuter. John breaks grammar rules there and uses MASCULINE articles and pronouns. There are many verses in the New Testament that show the personality of the Holy Spirit.
Hey Mike, thank you for this resource! I tried to implement the two John Scriptures just this afternoon and while I think it went fairly ok, the “main” JW was trying to get me off track by saying how the Holy Spirit isn’t mentioned in John 1:1, and before I could get to John 5:16-18 he took me to Philippians 2:6 and pulled that verse out of context without me realizing it. He was using an iPad that had their JW app installed on it, and had the KJV and ASV and was as their “Kingdom Translation” of the Greek text. Personally I prefer the ESV and NASB, so that’s what I told the “main” JW I prefer to use, and he seemed unfamiliar with the NASB and didn’t seem to have access to it within his JW app. I told them that I believe in the Trinity, and he tried to ask if that word is in the Bible, I countered by saying that I know it isn’t, but I believe that Scripture supports that God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit are three in one. He encouraged me to look through my Bible and find any and all evidence for that belief and we’ll use “my” Bible for our next get together. I may be a little pessimistic here, but I think I’ll be countered by them saying something to the effect of, “You’re using a poorly translated version of the Scriptures, here’s what it says in our translation and here’s our translation of the Greek text.” It seems like I have some homework to do! Definitely was not expecting the iPad and their app.
May I ask you who do you believe the Living God is? Compare Jeremiah 10:10 and Matthew 16:16. Thanks.
@@busterthefrenchbulldog5951 Thanks. Great proof texts.
The JW's are way ahead mate. Preaching is what they do best
While running errands this lady give me a pamphlet and I took it but as I was walking away I looked down and said “I’m not a Jehovas Witness”! While handing it back to her. She replied “It’s for everyone.” I literally walked away. I realize God is the one who prompt me to look at it immediately and if I took it I would’ve come in agreement with whatever that faith believes in. Glad I’m to much is love with Jesus he has brought me through so much🥲
Good one! I was expecting John 1:3 "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." (their translation) So if everything is made by him, how come that he was "made"? I used it on two elderly grannies that came to my door, but they switched the subject quickly. I hope and pray it sunk in.
The verse specifically says "apart" from him. Meaning he was created also. Apart from himself all else was created.😉 Jesus was the first creation of God. Thats why in genesis God said let us make man in OUR image. Refering to Jesus having already been created
It doesn't say all things were created by him or came into existence by him it says through him there's a difference it means through the love that he showed Jehovah God
@@dushluh5503 checked a few different translations out and not one had apart, then I proceeded to see the original language and what the word meant and it translates to without him, not apart from him. Also that verse in genesis reads to literally God and Jesus making man into their own image. Not Jesus was first created being, Jesus was there from the beginning. In John 1:1 the word Theos for Jesus is used similarly to the word in genesis meaning He was there from the beginning and has always existed with God. He is one with the father. I pray the veil from your eyes can be removed in Jesus name, amen.
I said to one once, "Okay. I'll let you talk to me about your religion and your god, and I'll tell you about Jesus and my relationship with Him."
He left. I would have gladly shared my testimony with him, but he didn't want to hear it.
He doesn't believe you have a testimony worth hearing, that's why he wouldn't listen to you. because Jesus isn't God...Any testimony you claim to have is as valid as that of the mormons... It's not based on accurate knowledge. But emotion....hence why he didn't want to waste his time.
@@ottooctavius585 Yet, you wasted yours by replying to me. I could say your comment or opinion is invalid, but that is just my opinion. I don't base my life on others' opinions, thank goodness. I believe in Jesus. It's your choice not to.
@@melissamiddleton2135 if you wish to discuss any point you may have that you think proves your religion is correct then yes, I want to discuss it....do you believe the holy spirit is God....we can start there.
@@melissamiddleton2135 I do not consider you a waste of time Mellisa, All Jehovah's Christian Witnesses believe in and imitate Jesus,, do you go from door to door?...Jesus instructed his followers to do just that, so we do follow Jesus, in actions, in words and by the example he gave.
@@melissamiddleton2135 Its just that Jesus is not God, that's one thing we differ on.
Mike! This is HILARIOUS!! And really helpful!!! Thank you!! And I love the jingle!!! 🤣
Lol, brother Mike...the early years. Love this brother. This is definitely giving...mmm... pilot episode😂
Pastor Mike has a fun side. Wow! 😂
This was fun to watch
Hey Mike, I think you should do this video again only talk about it from the defensive side rather than the offensive side. What I mean by that is, instead of choosing your own scripture to prove the Trinity try taking the scripture they use and explain why it doesn’t work. They have a whole list of questions to fight the Trinity. Go through and answer them.
Had a close in counter with JW today he said because my boys are half my age and didn't have the experience I did so two is the Father is greater than his Son Jesus..but I didn't give in I told him Jesus was with the Father from beginning He is ower salvation.
They believe Jesus was with JESUS as well and JESUS is their Savior ,that was your close in counter ? My GOD how did youceevercsurvivetheis close encounter??? ,tell us!!! Such a brave women ,that encounter must have been death fearing SCARY. . Glad you made if our safely Sister
allright still
Few questions for you
The Name Jehovah is really important for you guys right?
I mean you go from door to door to proclaim His Name right?
Can you find ONE Biblical passage in which either Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul or any other author of the New Testament that urges us to speak in Jehovah' Name?
Or ONE text in the New Testament that declares that we have to proclaim to all the world that Jehovah is God's Name?
One will do....
And
The New Testament declares that it is NOT the Name Jehovah the most important one.
Philippians 2:9-11 from the NASB:
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 So that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Question: Why don't you go from door to door to announce the Name of Jesus instead of Jehovah?
I will be waiting..........
Got 3 questions here
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40yeartrucker do you know what the Firstborn of Creation mean? Do you know why Jesus called himself the only begotten Son? .....................................................................
But that is theology, not history. Jesus claimed he was not God or even a judge of humanity.
John’s gospel reflects Christian theology, not the authentic Jesus. This is the main reason why John claims Jesus died a full 24 hours BEFORE he died in Mark, Matthew and Luke.
--Jesus taught--quote--“ALL” in parables. There are no parables in John.
--Jesus not only spoke in parables, he also used short, unique aphorisms [pithy short sayings]. In John, Jesus is made to speak in long, dense theological speeches, all about himself and the importance of believing in him. Jesus did not speak this way in Mark, Matthew or Luke.
--The majority of Jesus’ teachings were about the destitute and the marginalized. John’s gospel says NOTHING about the poor.
John is about John’s opinion about what Jesus means. Mark, Matthew and Luke are about what Jesus said and taught.
The Christian obsession with John shows that today’s believers prefer to worship Christ on some pedestal instead of actually following Jesus.
“Why do you call me good? Only God is good.”
“Friend, who made me a judge over you?"
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage [Philippians 2:6]."
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only [Matthew 24:36].”
“Our Father who art in heaven [Matthew 6:9]."
"My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? [Matthew 27:46].”
And the few verses are not the only ones that clearly indicate Jesus did not see himself as God.
Let’s let Jesus speak for himself instead of putting exalted, Roman Empire-like descriptions placed into his mouth after the crucifixion. Don’t worship Christ as Caesar was worshiped. Pay attention to what Jesus taught.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Once a Jehova whitness rang my doorbell, I was just busy with breastfeeding my new born daughter. I opened the door with my baby in my arms. They were very kind and they just said, oh it is too cold, we go again, please close the door again :_)
That was kind of them.
And I'm happy to hear you are confident in breastfeeding your baby.
It's awful when people try to shame mothers for feeding their babies. I get that it makes people uncomfortable and feel awkward when done in public, but rudeness really isn't necessary.
And in your own home, people definitely shouldn't judge.
@@noahdilweed I think your parents should be less busy with writing these letters so they know that their 10 yrs old child is watching video's what is not made for children and what is making him upset. Believe me, nobody here wants to make a child upset and everybody wants you to be happy and I suggest that you watch some nice video's for children instead.
John 14: 28....I am going to the Father because the father is greater than I am. Psalms 83:18.....May people know that you whose name is Jehovah,you "ALONE" are the most high over the Earth
An honest faith in the Bible won't counter one passage with another but start with the idea that "all these passages must be true". If we believe that all the passages are true we must comprehensively believe them, meaning that we can say that "Jesus is equal to the Father" and "the Father is greater than Jesus".
Now, if Jesus is equal to the Father and should be honored as the Father this seems to mean that He is God (which doctrine is supported in many other passages), how do we reconcile this with the idea that the "Father is greater". Well, one can be greater in many different senses. Greater in position, in power, in authority, in location, in nature, in size, in wealth, in skill, etc. Well, several of the ways in which one can be greater than another can apply to Jesus without it contradicting the idea that He is equal to the Father and should be honored as the Father is honored. Jesus could be saying that the Father has a leadership role in the trinity that the Son submits to. Your wife may submit to you (making you greater in position) without this meaning that she is not equal to you. The point here is that the tactic of simply throwing out one passage to contradict another is the worst kind of theology, in doing so you selectively use the Bible to prove your point rather than going to the Bible to learn what it says comprehensively about God.
It would be odd to suspect that you need a verse saying the Father is under subjection to the Son in order to believe that the Son is God. A better standard would be to require that the Bible clearly teach that Jesus is God. Which it does. In the passage I quote in the video it clearly teaches it (along with many others). You claim Jesus isn't equal with the Father but that is exactly what the passage claims. It is clearly NOT a claim that other people thought He was. Knowing Greek isn't required to see that the passage in John 5 is not a commentary about the reasoning of the Pharisees but John's divinely inspired interpretation of Jesus' statement to mean that Jesus is equal to God. And, as if to drive the point in even more clearly and indisputably, Jesus says that Jesus is to be honored to the same degree as the Father. Well, if you are honoring someone AS God then either they ARE God or they are an idol. No angel would ask to be honored as the Father because it would be like the sin of Satan who wanted to be as God.
Mike Winger If they are the same, then who resurrected Jesus when he was dead, and Why did jesus say," I am going to the father because he is greater then I am?
Jerry Collins When you challenge the idea that Jesus and the Father are the same you are on the right track! They can't be the same and still have any distinction between them. Jesus can't be the same as the Father if Jesus isn't the Father. This is one of the reasons why Christians throughout the centuries have rejected the false doctrine that Jesus is the Father in human form. This false teaching is rebuked by the Bible in many places (such as the baptism of Jesus where the Father is speaking, while the Son is being baptized, while the Spirit is descending upon the Son). The Bible clearly limits us to a belief that Jesus is equal to the Father but not the same as the Father. This has led some people to believe that their are three gods. But the idea that there are three gods is even more blatantly false and unbiblical than the other false teaching that Jesus is the same as the Father. When we just say "I will believe the Bible in it's entirety" we are left with only one option... That the Father is God, Jesus is God and the Spirit is God. However, we balance this out with the truth that there is only one God. So, the Father is not the Son but each of them is the one God. This might sound irritating to some people because they feel it can't be comprehended but that is irrelevant. The only relevant question is "what does the Bible teach about Who God Is?" If the Bible really teaches this triune understanding of God then we have only two rational choices. 1- choose to believe the Bible's teaching even though you don't fully understand everything it implies. 2- choose to reject the Bible and not call yourself a follower of Christ. The option you have chosen is an irrational one: choose to reject the Bible's teaching about the identity of God (as Father, Son and Spirit) yet still claim to be a Bible believer. It's understandable if you are merely trusting the teaching of others but if you have read carefully and comprehensively in the Bible then you have no excuse to harbor this irrational position. Doesn't it strike you as odd that your group had to come up with their own translation of the Bible and that they never study books but just take verses out of context? Or that, when confronted with the idea that the Bible disagrees with them their is no room for discussion? Shouldn't an attitude of "if the Bible says I'm wrong then I must be wrong and anyone who points it out is a true friend" be present?
Leroy Rogers Jesus claimed He was God every time He said He was "the Son of God" (not "a son of God"). Keep in mind that this was spoken by a Jew to a Jewish audience and they understood it's meaning to be a declaration of Deity. Also, in the passage you quote (which ignores all that John 5 says, which is sad because you can't for right theology by thinking that you can contradict one passage with another) Jesus is clearly NOT saying "I am not God" but I saying "I am RIGHT and NOT blaspheming in my claim to be THE SON OF GOD". Forgive the capitals, I'm not yelling, just emphasizing the right words. So, back to John 5, how do you justify your idea that the passage is teaching that the Pharisees were confused about Jesus' claims? And how do you take "Honor the Son just as they honor the Father"?
As an X JW and a large family who are, I’m 65 , left them when I was 18,( saved at 40)
I find the best way is just to say No thank you, I used to be one , let them ask the questions, answer each one simply and directly with total respect,which is my style anyway,I don’t argue!
Something sound fishy. One doesn't even know what being saved means. Even after supposedly being a part of God's organization.
Matthew 24:13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.
It is a HOPE.
@@tongakhan230
Hope in the sense of a sure thing( the biblical narrative ( Hebrews )
Endurance to the end is a tribute to Gods sovereignty not our ability !
Nothing to the Cross I bring, only to the Cross I cling ,
Well done. As a former Evangelical still a believer I think you're providing a great service.
Thank God for 😂😃😂4,500 dislikes - they are probably JW who entered this “virtual door” and got rebuffed by truth. This appeared in my feed, now I gotta go back for your recent video. Thanks, Mike, keeping on evangelizing despite COVID....
will prob get up to 144000 dislikes at some point
@@craiglees5631 they will probably do it 12,000 at a time. Times 12. Probably after pandemic..
Seeing Pastor Mike in this video made me laugh so hard! I know time changes and his content changes but it is definitely Affective on getting the truth out with Humor. I do think however I like his new style better. Deep dives is what I’m into but this is great short and to the point.
Pastor wing nut is KING OF THE CIRCUS RING , A CLOWN WITH A CROWN ? ? ? 😁 😄 😅
your intro felt like a 90s throwback lol
I’ve subscribed to your TH-cam channel from Ireland. All blessings in Jesus name forevermore from Ireland
Ok, I'm already a subscriber, because of Doreen Virtue, but the other day I was watching D Wood and the gang on live stream, and Vocab suggested to see you in this video, and I have to say .... it was worth it! 😁
This is adorable 😂
I am a JW's and it does not matter which Bible to use when concerning this text and it's context. Concerning John 5:18 which states: “18 This is why the Jews began seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God.” It was the UNBELIEVING Jews who reasoned that Jesus was attempting to make himself equal with God just by claiming God as his Father. While properly referring to God as his Father, Jesus never claimed equality with God. He straightforwardly answered the Jews: “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing.” (John 5:19,30-32; see also John 14:28; John 10:31-36.) If he "can do nothing of his own accord" he surly is not equal thereby Jesus denied these false charge … he was not equal to God and therefore could not act on his own initiatives. It was those UNBELIEVING Jews, who claimed that Jesus broke the Sabbath, but they were wrong also about that. Jesus kept the Law perfectly, and he even declared: “It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”… Matt. 12:10-12, If Jesus failed and actually broke the Law then God would not have accepted his sacrifice and Mankind would still be what condition?
Here something else to think about. The UNBELIEVING Jews (the religious Leaders) accused him of many things … John Chapter 8 Jesus is speaking how he is the “light of the world” And the Jews say “You bear witness about yourself; your witness is not true.” In verse 16-18 Jesus says: “my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me. Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” (this also shows Jesus and Jehovah are not the same for he would not use this example of the law of 2 witnesses). In verse 37- 40 Jesus confront them because he know they are seeking to kill him and tells them that their father is Satan saying at verse 44 “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father” and they respond back and accuse him at verse 48 “You are a Sa•mar′i•tan and have a demon’?” Well as we continue to read ahead we see that Jesus denies these accusations also but they continue accusing him of having a demon. This discussion/argument that is taking place is about who knows the Father and Jesus came before Abraham. What really interesting is what Jesus says’s concerning his Father verse 55 “Yet you have not known him, but I know him. And if I said I do not know him, I would be like you, a liar. But I do know him and am observing his word.” Did you get that? He has made know … that they (UNBELIEVING Jews) not only don’t know his “Father” but he calls them a liar!!!! Jesus was perfect and he fulfilled the Law perfectly he did not break the law … so he not only denied the accusations he shows that they are LIARS!!! And remember his witness is true because his Father Jehovah witness it also. So why would anyone except UNBELIEVING Jews accusations that accused him of being equal to God or even having a demon that Jesus claims their father is Satan and that Jesus blatantly calls them a liars... why do you believe their accusations as absolute truth? I believe Jesus … and I most definitely would not come to the same wrong conclusions like these UNBELIEVING Jews!!! The scriptures clearly show that Jesus is not Jehovah Almighty God!!! Does not matter which Bible u use.
Steve Humphries If you take your own New World Translation and open it up to John 5:28. Watch for the quotation marks. [ "..."]
You will notice that there *is no quotation marks in John **5:18**.* Because the Jews didn't say this. The Apostle John Did in his commentary.
It was The apostle John who said that Jesus was equal to God. Not the Jews.
+preto shohmoofc guy First time I have ever heard that. OK lets see ... so now your calling the Apostle John a Liar? Your also saying that Jesus is calling the Apostle John a liar! The book is written by inspiration by the Apostle John if he say's that's what happen then I believe him ... just like the rest of the books of the Bible ... they are inspired ... your reasoning is not valid. We all know the history of when this doctrine came to be taught (not until the 4th century). Again Jesus is calling them a "liar" (the Jews not the Apostle John) and their father is "Satan". When does a lie come to be truth? Why would anyone except what these UNBELIEVING Jews say ... Jesus own testimony also say's concerning these UNBELIEVING Jews that they did not know the "Father" and yet again you believe what the UNBELIEVING Jews say as accurate information. These UNBELIEVING Jews also did not except that he was the Messiah and in the end they killed him ... and yet your take their accusation as truth??? This is really mind boggling to me!!! You need to answer this question for me. When does a Lie come to be truth? I'll be waiting for your reply but of course I know the answer!
Dear Brother just read John 1,1 from an interlined text and no one in the entire world could refute the opposite..... This chapter and verses say Jesus is entirely God, that everything was created by him and the best thing of all that he left his God condition to become flesh like you and me and live among us forever.. Read all JOHN gospel from the original aramaic and hebrew scripture,so from now and on you will worship the eternal life, so no JW(Charles t.Russell) totally twisted theory could any longer talk you into ever... I wish God guided your steps thru the right path.
Steve Humphries So, was it the apostle John who said that Jesus was equal to God or not? Was John 5:18 in quotations or not?
The answer is no. John himself said that Jesus was equal to God.
preto shohmoofc guy; Claudia Yamileth; Again your twisting the scriptures ... it pretty clear to anyone that's reading it. It says the Jews accused him of being equal ... Its the reason why they were *seeking to kill him* John reported on the 2 reasons 1. was they felt he was breaking the law according to their traditions and again 2. they concluded he was equal to God. And what does Jesus do *he responds to the accusation of being equal* and denies it!!! This is pretty clear by reading the chapter. It proves that John 1:1 in Trinity Bible's is clearly wrong. Jesus judges them to be *LIARS* and denies the accusation and their Father is *Satan*... a lie is a lie ... does not matter who accused him of it in the 1st century or the 4th century or even today *it will always be a lie!!!* Jesus is the expert on this issue and he settled long ago! When does a lie come to be truth? *NEVER*
I take them to Genesis 1:26 and ask them what it means when it says: And God said, “Let US make man in OUR image.” Plural! And then I ask take them to Isaiah 9:6-7 on the prophesied Jesus as Eternal Father, Mighty God, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor.” They don’t know how to reconcile those verses with what they’ve been taught (without twisting it so much in their brains). Yes, I used their Bible to show them. They have it in their Bibles. And it catches them off guard (unprepared) and I believe it will win them over to knowing the real Jesus according to Scripture.
I'm actually Mormon.
And when a JW comes to my door I tell them I'm Mormon and believe it or not they say "Sorry to bother you " and they actually walk away.
@Denise White I like talking to Mormons. I never could understand why you believe Jesus is Jehovah when the God of Jesus is Jehovah the Most High. Jesus is the Son of the Most High. Luke 1:32
Denise White
I have never said that to a Mormon,that I am sorry to bother you, I give them witness and I will invite them into my home when they come knocking and give them a witness.
Denise White well I guess cults have respect for one another! But you are both being led astray from the true Jesus!
Both equally far from the truth. Satan's got you there, why move you to JW?
Blind leading the blind
I have a BALL with the dear JW’s. I usually start by informing them that I simply could never convert to a faith that doesn’t have a solid biblical reasoning for no birthdays. Then I let them know that presents on Christmas, and free candy on Hallows are non-negotiable. At this point I tend to get serious and I open THEIR “bible” to Hebrews 1 and start the same track: Jesus is divine. Period. The REAL deal-breaker.
Love ya, Mike. Thank you for your work.
so friend why are you having a ball with JWs? Hebrews 1 doesn't say Jesus is Jehovah, so where is the bible do you get this?Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son,b whom he appointed heir of all things,c and through whom he made the systems of things.*d 3 He is the reflection of God’s glorye and the exact representation of his very being,f and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins,g he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.God appoints his son as heir, God made everything through Jesus., a reflection is not the same as the reflector is it?
Really good scriptural advice for the drones when they arrive.
A good question to end on is "Do JWs honor Jesus AS. Jehovah? "
As an interesting sidenote,the Greek word for HONOUR is Timeo which means also VALUE,REVERE,VENERATE!
Leroy Rogers,Wheather you are a trinirarian or not,the fact is we are to honir Jesus AS Jehovah, and JWs certainly do NOT.
Also a son ,in ancient Jewish thought,is equal to the Father in posistion,honor,wealth,power. Of cource in the household the son honors the father,but for all intents and purposes,the son IS equal. In fact that is exsactly what Jesus explains in John 5!
I love how those that claim to know and understand God (as if such a thing were possible)are insulting,confrontational and judgemental.
Kyle Joel True dat
I never threw a jab!
I did not insult you or insinuate you had a childish intellect, as you did me!
I merely disagreed with you!
HAs do not understand the difference and take any honest critisisms, if they come from outside the org,as an attack!
You need to get your facts straight!
I just had some Jehovah witnesses come to my door and I remembered about half of what I should’ve known, kicking myself, practice for next time I guess. Thanks for the video
i hoped you told them you agree
that God is one, Jehovah, the Father
and not God is three, Yahweh, the Trinity.
the main thing they get hung up on
is thinking Jesus is an angel and not a man,
which is basically the same problem
the trinitarians have, not believing he's
really a man, born of a virgin
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod If I’m understanding you correctly then yes that was the main thing I did remember, I confronted them on whether or not they believed that Jesus was God, to which they told me no and then tried to convince me with a passage from likely their translation. My response was if Jesus was not God in the flesh then when he died there was no sacrifice for our sins and we still have a big sin problem that has not been dealt with.
@@RuinerNet thats because God needs to die for your sins (God can't die) theology is completely contrary to what the bible actually says. if you had of just read romans chapter 5 you would have never had that God needs to die theology in your head, you would have understood that a man needed to die, to redeem man.
Hey Mike, I haven't been a witness in a long long time and I have made a complete separation of myself from the religion, but this argument is still one I just can't get behind... How do you balance scriptures such as the one you quoted in this video (which I honestly don't interpret the way you do, still looks like Jesus separates himself from his father to me), when scriptures such as Exodus clearly states that man could never lay eyes upon god and live. Granted, this isn't something I wake up in the morning thinking about, but I watched your video and I'm curious now. Get back to me please.
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R&S, Thanks for taking the time to watch my video and comment on it. One trouble I have seen impacting those who come out of JWs or some other groups is that they have heard years of false representations of biblical Christianity. In the case of the doctrine of the Trinity this is almost always misrepresented by Watchtower publications. It's not that the Watchtower offers good refutations of the doctrine of who Jesus is so much as they misrepresent Christian belief about Jesus and then prove wrong that misrepresentation. I think this is worth much more time but it's worth starting our conversation by me asking permission to define the doctrine of the identity of Christ. Jesus is not the same as the Father (we agree on that). Jesus is God but is not the Father. This may seem like a hard concept but the question isn't "is the revelation of Who God is easy to understand?" but "What is the biblical revelation of Who God is?"
Let me post some verses here that support this idea and I won't offer any interpretation of them, I merely ask that you read them with this thought in mind. Does this teach both that Jesus is God and that He is not the same as the Father? Colossians 2:9 (NKJV)
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
John 20:28 (NKJV)
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Titus 2:13 (NKJV)
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
2 Peter 1:1 (NKJV)
1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
John 1:1 (NKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 (NKJV)
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Titus 2:13 (NKJV)
13looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, These are just some passages, there are many more. I look forward to your response.
+Mike Winger Thanks for the response Mike. I appreciate the scriptures you used to show your side of the discussion. The issue that I would raise is this. None of those scriptures are Jesus' words. They are all statements made by others regarding him and God. I don't consider those statements to be any more true than those issued forth by so called holy men of our modern age. Granted, when it all boils down, we might as well be having a disagreement about characters from Lord of the Rings as the bible is at it's core just another book. But for the sake of this discussion, I would be more apt to believe the words spoken by the person in question over the beliefs of someone else. I actually am surprised that I am answering back at all as it is not my intention to give subjects such as these this much attention. But hey, this is fun right?
I understand your point about the references not being Jesus' words themselves. This really is a new discussion about the Bible itself rather than a discussion about the biblical definition of Jesus' identity. I can supply passages where Jesus' own words show a claim to deity such as John 8:58 (read in context) or Matt 28:19 (one name for the Father, Son and Spirit) or the passage in question in this video (John 5). However, I think there is an even more important discussion about the Bible itself that you might be interested in. I actually have a video series I am in the middle of making called "Evidence for the Bible" where I offer, what I believe to be, compelling evidence for the divine origin of the Bible. I will be answering, in detail, many of the common objections to the Bible but I have started the series by first offering evidence that God has spoken in the Bible through the testable means of prophecy. Here is that series, and know that I am open to your disagreements with me on the things I share.
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+Mike Winger Thanks Mike, I'll look into it tomorrow.
Shut up stupid .. lol
I like them they are always polite and sweet and they dont try to change the way you think or your religion and if you say no then they leave
I mean they don’t sorry
Thank you Mike for all your videos. I have been talking with a JW for a while and I am so thankful for your many videos on JW's. They have helped me prepare before I even knew a JW
I witnessed to them and LDS for about 2yrs. Eventually, they just stopped coming.
What Winger has said is not true, the pharisees accused Jesus of "breaking the sabbath"... which was a lie because they misunderstood what the sabbath meant.. likewise the pharisees thought that making yourself the son of someone, makes you the same as their father,.. which is also not true..... I am not my father, but I am my father's son, it doesn't make me my father, it seems logic is thrown out the window in favor of trying to think you can understand the bible when you're a Trinitarian... And of course this begs the next question if you are evangelical and believe what wingers told you.....
did Jesus break the Sabbath as the Jews accused him of doing...
I would be interested to know if trinitarians thought Jesus did break his father's laws....as he was accused of by the Jews.... If on the other hand he didn't break the law then neither was he making himself = to God by claiming to be the Son of God..... I can't understand the reasoning, it's ridiculous to think that being the son makes you the father, but remember what Jesus said about the Jews, the religious leaders were from their father the devil,.. . so I have to ask you also why would trinitarians try to take the word of enemies of Christ In proving their doctrine of the Trinity,... all I can say is shame on you..
It seems Mr winger came up with this on his own, hence why it fails....again.
@@ottooctavius585 , it is part of John's inspired commentary to explain that the reason the Pharisees we're seeking to kill Jesus was because Jesus was making himself equal to God. This is how John is explaining the circumstance so there shouldn't be a dispute in the statement Jesus was making himself equal to God. That is how the author John comments on the passage.
John 5:18 (ESV): This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
If someone does not believe Jesus is Divine, all you need to do is look at the Greek or even the English for the following verses that explicitly call Jesus God.
Hebrews 1:8-9
Titus 2:13
Romans 9:5
John 20:28, 1:1, 1:18
Colossians 2:9
Acts 20:28
2 Peter 1:1
1 John 5:20
@@joshpayne1201 John wrote what the pharisees actually said, its what they were trying to accuse him of...as can be seen with the sabbath breaking accusation....do you think he broke it...yes or no?
@@ottooctavius585 , Jesus was not breaking the Sabbath because Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus has the right over the Sabbath, so either Jesus was divine or Jesus was breaking the Sabbath.
Secondly, the Pharisees said Jesus was breaking the Sabbath and calling God his own Father, but then John comments that this means Jesus was making himself equal to God. It clear that John is explaining what Jesus' claim to be the one true Son of God would mean.
The Bible supports a divine Jesus (Hebrews 1:8-9, Titus 2:13, Romans 9:5, John 20:28, 1:1, 1:18, Colossians 2:9, Acts 20:28, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 John 5:20).
Jesus acted as God (Mark 2:28 Lord of the Sabbath, Matthew 12:6 Greater than the Temple , Mark 2:5 Forgives Sins, Mark 2:18-22 Fasting).
Your analogy of a human son not being equal to a human father seems inaccurate because all human beings have equal value and the same nature just as the divine Jesus has the same value and nature of God the Father. Now this is not a perfect analogy because God does not procreate to produce Jesus because by nature the divine Jesus is a necessary eternal being, but this is the way God chose to reveal the triune nature to us.
Just checking in, it’s 2024 and this is still comedy gold. God bless Mike.
This is my introduction to dorky young comedian Mike Winger. All I can say is, he has certainly evolved since then 😂
Just say 'no thanks, have a nice day' and close the door. Simple. I wouldn't engage them in any conversation because they'll keep coming back to debate with you lol.
They will keep coming back anyway. "no thanks" will do nothing. Claim to worship Satan or that you are an apostate. They will leave you alone then.
@@wylolister3218 Haha, yeah I've heard that too. Throwing a pentagram on the front lawn works. Although I have a sneaking suspicion that you might become a special project - a soul that must be saved!
1 Peter 3:15
Just tell them you're an apostate and they'll run away in fear.
YOU WERE GIVEN FREEDOM TO CHOOSE BY GOD USE IT WISELY
Psalm 83:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
@Bryson Cole so are you trying to say bible is a lier the real name of God is JEHOVAH
@Bryson Cole there are many names for Jehova and you must remember that all bibles are different in words but not in meaning.
@@ermiyasgebrekristoshe6785 No, he's saying that any English translation of scripture is just that; a translation. The name "Jehovah" is not the name God gave Himself, and is not found in the original Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic texts. His name, transliterated as what's known among bible scholars as the tetragrammaton, was interwoven with the vowel markings for "Adonai" (a title Hebrews used to address God, keeping His name sacrosanct) when translated into German, giving them "Jehovah" (they pronounced it "yay-hoe-vah"). When translated then into English, the translators didn't take into account the German pronunciation of the letter "J", and so the German mistranslation was then further mistranslated as the name that Jehovah's Witnesses use today. I doubt God would condemn you for using the name in ignorance, but if you choose to continue using that name now knowing that it is not His name, I dare say you show Our Father great disrespect, and are sadly guilty of blasphemy.
@@commandercorner5575 Then don't use the word Trinity, it's definitely not in the Bible.
@@truthbetold8610 The word "trinity", like all words, is a concept boiled down into a single word. God's name is His name. There are plenty of other words we have which aren't in the Bible that stand for concepts which are in the Bible. As it turns out, one of those words is blasphemy, which has a lot packed into it, but part of it is misusing God's name.
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They invited me to an event and I told them I didn’t want to go to an event where I, a queer woman, wouldn’t be fully accepted. They told me that no one is judged, which was hard not to laugh outright at.
My favorite question to ask Jehovah Witnesses when they come to my door and I let them and sit them down on my couch, is: _"Can you show me where the Name Jehovah is found in the New Testament?"_ Of course, they run to their New Twirled Perversion of the Bible and I grab my interlinear Greek and English New Testament and show them that the Name Jehovah is not there in the Greek. Instead, where they have printed 'Jehovah', actually, in the Greek, it's: *_"THEOS"!!!_* and sometimes it's even *_"Kurios"_*.
After showing them that the New Testament writers never used or even bothered to spell 'Jehovah' in Greek letters, or come up with any other name for God that even remotely sounds like Jehovah, they begin to get a little uncomfortable.
Then I proceed to ask them who is responsible for the mistranslation in their Bibles. But they don't know who translated their copy of the Bible. Then I ask them; _"So you're trusting the eternal fate of your soul to a group of Bible translators whom you don't know, nor know their level of education or mastery of Hebrew and Greek?"_
_"How then do you know for sure your translation is accurate if: 1.Jehovah is never found in the original Greek NT. and 2. You don't even know who translated your Bible?"_
With that, they go into a tail spin, put their tail between their legs, their books back in their backs, and they walk out.
As they walk down my driveway to the street I remind them: _"It's clear to me, you're trusting in the work of men whom you don't even know, rather than God, whose name Jehovah, was never mentioned by any of the Apostles in the New Testament."_
They never come back again.
I still pray one day, that one of them will show up at my door and thank me for pointing out this huge flaw in JW dogma, and that in doing so, it precipitated them leaving the organization.
I agree with you 110% but I got just one question for you TroddinSod. Just what does this mean " GFDbDhbthen " !!! Thanks.
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_"Just what does this mean " GFDbDhbthen " !!! Thanks."_
LOL! That was an ugly typo that slipped by me! Ha ha ha!
I'll edit it. Thanks for point it out!! LOL!
It was supposed to read; "New Twirled Perversion of the Bible".
So what is gods name to you? Do you worship Jesus? If you do, why?
Tell me something TroddinSod? In Matt 4:4 where Jesus is giving a reply to Satan. Do you actually believe that Jesus is saying the old testament manuscripts of Deut 8:3 in Hebrew is WRONG???. I don't think so..! according to your limited insight Jesus is saying " LORD " in Greek to Satan ? LOL.First of all we don't have the original John Henry gospels.Second of all when Jesus said this to Satan, " IT IS WRITTEN " he was referring to the Hebrew text that Moses was inspired to write down. 3rd,there evidence that the gospel of Matthew was written in the Hebrew language first.
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_"Do you actually believe that Jesus is saying the old testament manuscripts of Deut 8:3 in Hebrew is WRONG???"....."according to your limited insight Jesus is saying " LORD " in Greek to Satan"_
As limited as my insight maybe, yours is obviously incapacitated altogether due to the fact Matthew did not record Jesus using the Greek word _"kurios"_ for YHWH in Matt 4:4. Matthew used the word _"Theos"_ for YHWH as the Jews did in the Septuagint.
Hence, your completely off topic because the discussion was about the word _"Kurios"_ *not* the word _"Theos"_. Nor would I ever believe Jesus would say "the old testament manuscripts.... is WRONG". And you have no grounds, or means, to show that I've even hinted at the idea.
Not having the original manuscripts the Apostles wrote has no relevance either. There are no copies containing any Greek spelling of YHWH. Even if Matthew was first written in Hebrew (no evidence whatsoever), the Greek renditions still fails to write in Greek letters phonetically any form of the spelling of YHWH, Yahweh, or Jehovah.
I suggest you go take your ignorant non sequitur statements and insults somewhere else. You obviously have nothing meaningful to contribute here.
How about: "Thank you, no. I'm an atheist or agnostic" and close the door?
Only if that's the truth. If ou are Christian, you must be able to use Holy Scripture to answer accurately and wisely.
you're an atheist? sooo you believe in 1 god right because atheist is A-Theist the belief in 1 god. i know what people think it means but what people think it means & what atheist actually means is different. im just trying to help
ATHEIST and A "space" THEIST are two completely different things.
A__"THEIST" is a person who believes in one god that rules and governs all creation but does not believe in the trinity.
an "ATHEIST" is someone who denies the existence of any god
Thanks for clearing that up for Cheyenne. The prefix A on a word means not or non, as in Atheist, Atypical, Asymmetrical etc.
Just tell the slackers that you are a Muslim.
Then watch them leave in a hurry!
I live in the wilderness, they never come to my door... Then again it could be the sign on the road that says "you're in range"...
Over the years I’ve seen lots of these types of videos where one Chrisian attacks other Christians for some reason or other.
The protagonist expressing their viewpoint has a ‘knowledge based’ faith and is still developing the Christian character.
A faith clothed with Holy Spirit leaves no room for anger, malice, slander, and the like, but is manifest by a compassionate heart, kindness, meekness, and patience - Col. 3:5 - 16. ESV.
Tears are a language, God understands - Rev 7:17
i was a jw since 1963..i woke up 4 years ago one pasage that allways beat me on the door is thomas saying " my Lord and my God " another jesus said " all authority has been given me ", another " you will be witneses of me " so many scriptures. how did i not see it for 50 + years..?
John Freeman+ My Lord and My God, doesn't mean he was calling Jesus God. Couldn't it have meant he recognised God was with Jesus? Aproved by God. Yes . Doesn't mean he thought Jesus was God. In fact when Stephen was stoned he saw Jesus standing beside God, not as God. Why? if Jesus is God then why is he beside God? Besides, what Thomas said doesn't prove the Trinity. If Thomas believed Jesus was God then he would believe Jesus is a Trinity according to the definition of God and Trinity.
All authority has been GIVEN me. You know what given means right. How was Jesus GIVEN authority if he was already God. Shouldn't he have already had it? Of course Jehovahs witnesses are also witnesses of Jesus.
Jehovahs witnesses teach as the bible does that Jesus is the way the truth and the life. You cnnot come to the father without the son. Who did Jesus say was his God?
Rev 3:12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
Jesus worshipped and Prayed to his Father. Who was his Father according to Jesus
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Only True means exactly that. There is Only one true God that is to be worshipped as the only supreme powerer in the Universe. The God of Jesus. Jehovah. Simple
@@examine4yourself623 problem is yes in the NWT john 1 :1 says jesus is A God so you could use that to explain what thomas said .isaiah 9 calls jesus mighty God..in the church of england father son and holy spirit all take title of God three persons one God. one of the ussues i have is that whereas the origional bible students and Rutherford all advocated worship of jesus ..yet for instance at the sunday meeting at my kingdom hall in the public talk the speaker spoke on creation and the source of life .not once did he mention jesus. this is a trend ive noticed over the last 5 years or so..even the governing body members rarely mention jesus. Why is this when we are told to honour the son as we honour the father..jws have left jesus out..thats why im no longer happy to be part..even at the memorial they will refuse life by disobeying jesus words in john 6 .by not partaking of the bread and wine .
@@johnfreeman8445 First is the word Elohim (God) translated as Angels? First .
Young's Analytical Concordance of the Bible, Eerdmans, 1978 Reprint, "Hints and Helps to Bible Interpretation":
"65. GOD - is used of any one (professedly) MIGHTY, whether truly so or not, and is applied not only to the true God, but to false gods, magistrates, judges, angels, prophets, etc., e.g. - Exod. 7:1; 15:11; 21:6; 22:8, 9;...Ps. 8:5; 45:6; 82:1, 6; 97:7, 9...John 1:1; 10:33, 34, 35; 20:28...."
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, Abingdon, 1974 printing,
"430. [elohim]. el-o-heem'; plural of 433; gods
in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (in the plur. thus, esp. with the art.) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, ... x (very) great, judges, x mighty." - p. 12, "Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary."
Any being above us can be called god. It doesn’t make them Almighty God. So are Angels called God’s according to the bible and the original languages? A yes or no will do. Thanks.
Now what about worship. You have to remember again the many uses of the word worship. Where I live, I had to go to court and appear before a judge for a traffic infaction, that I won I must say. Now in my country Canada, what do we call Judges. “Your Worship” Does that mean I am worshipping him and view him as God. Of course not. It is a left over from ancient language.
A professor of Bible languages at Union Theological Seminary in New York, Dr. Marvin R. Vincent, wrote that in the KJV (and other old translations into English) some uses of 'worship' may seem to be
"An unfortunate translation, according to modern English, but justified by the usage of earlier English, according to which to worship meant simply to honor. Worship is worthship, or honor paid to dignity or worth. This usage survives in the [British] expressions 'worshipful' and 'your worship.' In the marriage-service of the English Church occurs the phrase, 'With my body I thee worship.' So Wycliffe [one of the earliest English Bible translators] renders Matthew 19:19, 'Worship thy father and thy mother;' and John 12:26, 'If any man serve me, my Father shall worship him.'" - pp. 533, 534, Word Studies in the New Testament, vol. 1, Sage Software, 1996.
So, just like the Bible words shachah (Hebrew) and proskuneo (Greek), the word 'worship' in English also, until relatively recent times, had various levels of meaning and could be applied to other men in a lower sense of the word. But the very same word also could be used in the highest sense to apply to the one true God only.
So is there any scripture that says Jesus was worshipped as God, No He was shown honor as the Son of God. Rather Jesus himself said he had a God.
Rev 3: 12 “‘The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.
And did he worship this God?
John 4: 22 You worship what you do not know; WE worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews.
Notice the word we. If he is God why does he worship God if he is God
@@examine4yourself623 i do favor the origional bible students over jws as i think Russell was on the right track.i think jws are finished because of the child abuse cover up and the evil shunning policy .they have no love in the org any more..i would never go back now.years of feeling depressed and stressed having no real relationship with jesus . now im glad to be done with it ..
@@johnfreeman8445 There is no Chid abuse cover up. Period. Have Elders handled some case incorectly. Absolutely and they will have to answer, even some legal advice from Bethel may not have been correct, but I personnaly know of a couple cases where the police were called imediatly. One, it was proven that it happened and he went to jail. The other was a custody case and the mother admited to the police she lied and no abuse ahd taken place and that the brothers name was dragged through the mud. Child abuse can be very complex and is not simply a cut and dried issue. No Jehovahs witneses will no go down because of Child abuse. Even the case before the Courts in canada is a farce. Most of the complatints have already had their day in court and were shown to have no evidence. It will go nowhere because it is full of falce accusations that were already proved wrong.
Shunning is biblical. What else do you think it means when it says to remove the wicked one from among you. Do you really think an unrepentant fornicator should be a part of the Christion Congregation? That is exactly why Homosexuallity is tollerated by so many Christian denominations today. They are not interseted in bringing people to repentance. Acouple links for you
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defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com/2009/11/index-sites-and-pages-in-defense-of_2379.html
thirdwitness.com/childabuse/default.html