Rebuilding a Michigan Icon | Pere Marquette Steam Locomotive No. 1225
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- Pere Marquette steam locomotive No. 1225 is undergoing some of the most extensive mechanical restoration work in over 70 years. Visit with leadership from the @SteamRailroadingInstitute and @fmwsolutions to learn about the in-depth process of renewing the running gear of one of Central Michigan's beloved railroad attractions.
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0:00 - Restoring Steam Locomotive Rods, Wheels, and Running Gear in in Soddy-Daisy Tennessee
2:15 - Steam Locomotive Repair and Machine Shop
4:11 - Inspecting and Restoring Steam Locomotive Rods
5:45 - Restoring Rods, Pins, and Bushings
7:24 - Restoring Steam Locomotive Driving Boxes - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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I don’t think a lot of people realized how BADLY this work was needed and this video shows. The fact SRI didn’t have a major mechanical failure on 1225 due to these components is luck and also good craftsmanship on the part of the PM guys and Lima. Once the locomotive is back together this engine will be set for the rest of its life.
With any luck this engine will be in service until the end of humanity.
@@danw6014 perhaps, just hope we never end up so deperate as something happens to disable diesle electros or electric locomotives in time of war or national emergency that we have to press the old girls like this into service though they could do it we just dont have tons of them like we did, but she and the main liner locos are well capable of hauling the mail again once you get them started, sad though they wont be having the christmas trains this year, but she is old she needs a complete physical and work up to get her back in shape,
but ????? Conversion to oil? why she was made as a coal burner, and we have more coal reserves then oil, and heavy bunker oil is just as dirty if not more so then coal. pollutant wise
I know it was talked that eventually 765 will probably have to as well though I dont know if I am supposed to mention that, the beauty of a steamer though is if it can generate heat you can use just about anything to fuel it, wood, coal, anthracite, veggi oil, liquid natural gas, perhaps hydrogen gas, oil, waste plants, torrified bio mass, heck I think I read somewhere they used electricity in the northern contries to boil water during ww2 since it was already heavy electrified, and for that matter matt jannson and another guy in idaho are working on a soler collector for use as a stationary power plant for homes out in the bush like the desert or alaska that uses just the sun to boil water and gets 800 degrees superheat enough to run a high pressure to low pressure piston stationary engine to generate power, just using the sun.
I like the smell of coal smoke though never smelled oil, if its like diesel fumes it makes me gag.
The fascinating thing about whole 1225 story is origins by a bunch of college students in the 1970s appreciated the industrial history of America and did what they could to help preserve a part of it. Truly exceptional in an era of apathy for such things.
The ol' girl has has been needing some MUCH needed work, especially the running gear, glad it's finally happening 👏👏👏👏
While it’s a shame that the engine won’t be steaming this year due to the running gear work, I’m glad the engine is getting it and just hope once it’s done 1225 will continue to run as she always had for the last few decades.
This engine isn’t just an icon of Michigan, she’s an icon of steam engines in general.
I appreciate the work being done on the 1225. My dad participated in the engineer for an hour program and I would say it was one of the major highlights of his life.
My son deeply respects what FMW Solutions does to restore steam locomotives 🚂 especially 1225 The Polar Express Engine and hopes they will be finished real soon.
What an involved project! Glad to know there are still young machinists out there who can take this on!
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I’m from Florida and I known the 1225 sense I heard her and always wanted to see it run. My family was going to try and see it this year but got cancelled with other things and the 1225 being out of service. However, I did see it once in the yard and it was amazing to see I felt like a young boy again and amazed the size of it and all of the moving parts and that the people keep her running and in services for almost nothing and I say thank you to all who do this you are persevering railroad history and people childhood.
Fellow Floridan here. The only steam engines I’ve seen were cofg 223 and 8. Along with a slightly disassembled Savannah central 8. I’ve wanted to see an excursion run by.
Don`t you guys have that ex-FEC Pacific that now runs for US Sugar, and that ex-ACL Pacific that is being restored by the same company?
@@kristoffermangila yes 148 is the only operating steam locomotive in Florida but in 3-4 years that will change when acl 1504 is restored.
@@USASteamProductions oh yeah, two 4-6-2s chugging in Florida, redolent with the smell of fried food... yummy!
@@kristoffermangila they are 4-6-2s
my grandfather used to be a machinst at the sri untill he passed a few years back
Love seeing so much love and hard work being put into the engine.
Rebuilding1225 is a serious undertaking, just ask Ed Dickins over at the UP steam program. Rebuilding 844 and 4014 was similar. Both were also converted to oil burning. It will surly be great to have another great steam locomotive back in service again. Good luck to all involved
I hope 1225 can travel out of state again one day. Maybe even with the 765 again.
Very encouraging to see the capabilities available to rebuild important steam locomotives. Great video; Thumbs Up!
I worked on the Steam Engine back in the late 70's. I helped clean out the fire box, it was the dirtiest job at the time and few would volunteer to help. I was in my early 20's and the guy in charge of the firebox was in his 60's or 70's I would guess, he was very nice and greatly appreciated my help. As I remember there was a mountain of coal near her.
The 1225 may be out of service but the spirit of the polar express will forever live on with in me.
Our nc&stl no 576 is coming along good
Can’t wait to see 1225 back on her wheels again!
A true work of love to take care of a steam locomotive and my first hand on rail experience was with steam at the Texas State Railroad. I used to have the connections to ride in the cab but those are gone now.
There are a lot of wonderful memories that I have of that time in my life and was able to sit in the engineers seat on the T & P 610 as well.
Its absolutely insane the amount of effort that goes into restoring a steam loco
i'm mad jelly of the people who get to work in shops like this
Yes i rode on this last year. it was fun we met the people who had the idea to rebuild the locomotive and got to wear an old hat and look at old photos! it was a fun experience and i hope ill see 1225 up and running again this year!
Yes, the 'Michigan Icon' built in Lima, Ohio.
im happy 1225 is being repaired and brought back
Rural King has a lot of knowledge on 1225! Appreciate the hard work and expertise going into this big project!!
It’s good to know that the polar express is still continuing to live on in full operation once this is complete heck I didn’t even know The Pere Marquette was going into an overhaul
Very enjoyable to observe how maintenance on steam locomotives is performed, these operations are interesting and important to recognize since the steam era ended during the 1950s which is now 60+ years ago. I enjoy seeing the footage details of the repairs being performed on PM 1225 and the 1225 is a handsome locomotive to observe in excursion service action.
I got a chance to work on the restoration of 1225.
As a young child I was always obsessed with the more modern day equipment But as I’ve grown older I come to understand These old machines are working pieces of art. The Solid brass the heavy linkages parts were made to last
I second 1223 post. I helped on the first restoration and I am pleased and amazed at what you did. Thanks to all for making this possible.
Lookin' good.
I love This engine i Hope it will last a really long time for people to enjoy
SWEET..I’m so glad steam is coming back..seems there’s a surge in steam interest and a lot of old locos being restored to operation again.
I’d imagine the tooling and die components as well as molding aspects can be challenging since many of these pieces were probably scrapped over time.
Excellent work! Keep 'em rolling.
Excellent info. Thanks for sharing.
Good work. 👏
I love Berkshires Especially PM 1225 And NKP 765
I’m really happy to see that My childhood movie engine is still out there
That engine looks like the polar Express
So cool
Thumbs up for a great video! Thank you for sharing the details. Loved every second of this.
Great work chaps
Beautiful Video 5 STARS
nice one.
Will be so awesome to see this locomotive running again 👍
yeah
My respect to the mechanics!
Delighted to know. Skilled and courageous men . What a wonder
hello from Kansas🇺🇸
Looks like great work being done.
Not cheap, but good. Awesome video. Man, that stuff would be hard and dangerous to work around.
If only Pere Marquette 1223 Could be restored like this, it is on static display in Grand Haven, MI.
she was also the steam locvvomotive used as a model I believe for the polar express
Pere Marqette 1225 🚂🚂🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚋🚂🚂
Nice, Shane knows his s*** when it comes to steam engines. You know it is going to be a good restoration!
We’re ten years tops away from brand new steam engines being built via 3D printing
id love a steam group to come and save the steam locomotive in my vetrains park cause it been there fro a long time and sure there a roof on it but its just sitting there not moving and id love to see it gget restored and ran again doesnt matter how far it gets run but as long as they fire it up 1 time and film it
tennessee has so many steam engines
I Hope 1225 gets restored before Christmas I really want to ride the polar express
Sadly she will not be ready for this Christmas season.
Nooooooo poor polar express
Do you guys plan on making a video on the acl 1504s restoration?
will it be ready for north pole express 23?
Did 1225’s wheels spend some time on the wheel lathe at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum? Reason why I ask is that several times when I’ve been on the shop tour the conductor mentioned 1225’s wheels are back in the back of the shop.
Yes! We have a facility use agreement with Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum and they're a valued preservation partner. The first clip of the drivers and hub liners was filmed at their shop.
Hopefully 1225 has her whistle tuned sooner than later
Definitely, It has sounded more like a 3 chime since 2009.
@@danielmilitello4795 more like a logging boiler tube 6er IMHO
I think her whistle sounds nice untuned. It's iconic as well
The whistle is just fine and doesn’t need to be tuned or repaired.
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! So please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
There's someting missing in the video's title. It should have been "Rebuilding a Michigan (and Movie) Icon"!
It'll never run. Good to see AHF is still on the job.
The heck with Mars , let’s go with steam
Pls bring back the full black wheels and sides
I might be an ohioian and dislike Michigan but I'll give the pat on the back for that beauty at least there's some things we can come together on
I got lost on all the terminology of parts I didn't recognize... Would have been nice to see pictures of where the parts went...
When will she return to service?
it would be cool to see the 1225 run from owosso to Detroit and then to grand rapids then to michigan city then back home to owosso
That means talking with CSX, and you know what their stance about excursion runs...
CSX under Jim Foote got a little friendlier to steam. No excursions but they’ve at least permitted some small moves, mostly by 765, in recent years, to say nothing of them going a bit out of their way with ferry moves of 2716 and 576. We’ll have to see how the brand new CEO replacing Foote approaches preservation but in theory 1225 might have an easier time at least transiting on CSX now, to get to a new, non-CSX venue.
Is that Loco a Berkshire Class?
Yes
I hope this famous seamer get back in service agin once this big repair is done
It’s back in service already
That’s awsome and great and thankful to hear@@ClinchfieldRailfan921
Yes 1997! That is!
Out of curiosity, what would it take to convert the main journals to roller bearing? I see that you did change the bearings some, but why not go all the way to roller bearings?
I always thought it was roller bearing!? It would likey cost many hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to up grade to roller bearings today, the railroad should have ordered it that way.
Man, I guess this will be out of commission for a while. no riding on it for Christmas.
The Polar Express
Is this how I was built/born?
The polar express....
rebuild the polar express 1225
Didn’t I hear conversion to oil?? Or just for the bearings??
I think he meant they’re gonna convert the 1225’s drive axle bearings to have a system on them similar to what the 4449 has currently, which from what I hear, offers the same kinda performance that roller bearings would.
@@justahillbilly7777 Correct. Fuel conversion would have nothing to do with the running gear.
@@fmwsolutions phew. Thank goodness
Both Southern 630 and 4501 also have oil bearings.
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What? What do mean L&N 1992?
Why does the thumbnail look so much like a model train lol!
It would be awesome if 1225 reunites again with 765 for a fourth time. Maybe bring 611 too!
They should put sierra#3's whistle on her to seal the deal 😎
Oh my god yes
As if Sierra Railroad would part with that whistle...
Yes definitely yes
Maybe the SRI can acquire a Lima 5 Chime in the future 🤔
Where will this engine run
Every couple of years my family will ride on the sort of "Polar Express" mock up they do right around this time. Attendance is probably gonna be down BAD without that train there lol. I'm not sure what the engine is doing the rest of the year.
@@thebruckler3707 Despite being diesel powered, all of our 2022 North Pole Express excursions operated at sold out capacity. SRI and FMW are currently in the process of shipping the remaining parts back to Owosso for the full reassembly process taking place.
Ohhh, I thought you were talking about jobs and an honest government,, but yeah the train is cool too
Will she be ready for the coming North Pole Express?
Nope
Hey SRI! Question, how is it possible that 1225 got away with 70 years without an overhaul and other locomotives need much more frequent overhauls. Is this work beyond the 1472 FRA inspection?
1472 is based mostly off the boiler and the tubes
@@Wawa111_Mainline I understand that. What I mean is, is this restoration beyond the average 1472? I see a lot of running gear work. Is this the focus?
A 1472 only requires an inspection of the boiler and tube/flue replacement. Anything else is extra. They didn’t have the funds or capability to do running gear work like this a decade ago for that most recent 1472 overhaul. So, yes this is going beyond what that requires. This work was last done, per date stamps found in the running gear, at the Wyoming Shops in 1948.
@@Fietser1225 ah! thank you very much! that makes good sense. much appreciated.
Actually, essentially, actually.
Polar express !
Love what there doing but keep it coal berning please
I believe when he said they were converting to oil they were talking about a running gear component. But that said, as coal gets more expensive they may have to look into converting it to something else in the future. Some operators in the west (D&S and C&T) are already being forced to do so due to fire risks. That’s not an issue in the Midwest, so there is no immediate need, but it may still be something to do in the interest of controlling costs in the distant future. I anticipate that wouldn’t happen, if it ever does, for at least another decade or more.
@@Fietser1225 Shane was indeed talking about something other then the fuel source. He was talking about modifying the drive axle bearings in such a manner that they give a similar performance to roller bearings, the same way the 4449’s drive axle bearings’ have been modified.
@@Fietser1225My special needs son recommends torrefied biomass instead of oil 🛢.
You like "basically".....
it's not going to burn coal anymore? it's not the polar express without coal 😢
No, they're talking about an oil distribution system for the main axle bearings. 1225's are friction-based, which is at a disadvantage to roller-bearing designs.
@@bakerboat4572 phew, that makes me feel alot better, thank you :)
I wish more people would understand that sooner or later all steam will be oil burning.
Coal is just going to become too expensive.
I hope it is later, rather then sooner, but it is inevitable.
Yes, at some point the rising cost of coal will have to be reckoned with. The fire risks in the western US are already being reckoned with by the D&S and C&T. That’s not something that is a problem in the Midwest but what’s happening out west and in the UK should be a catalyst for many groups to start thinking about it.
Baker boat thanks for letting me now the the locomotive is never going to burn oil.
What happened? I was going to admit that 1225 was in service.
On October 7th, 2022, PM 1225 was pulled from service for unknown reasons.
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Another great smelling coal burner 🔥 turned into deep fryer
As far as I can tell they aren't converting the engine to oil, they were talking about the lubricant method for the running gear to help with wear
@@festivelad5079 You nearly had it. It’s not the valve gear getting a new lubrication system, it’s the driving axle bearings.
Video title: restoring a steam locomotive.
Video contents: finer points of machining and bushes👎
It’s all part of restoring a steam locomotive.
🤔🤔🤔 But that's not the title though...
Looks like a waste of time & money! Drones is where the future is. Living the past is for people with no vision!
As soon as he ''we are doing a conversion to oil'' I LOST ALL INTEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😠😠😡
To me a proper steam loco burns COAL NOT OIL, the world is already short of crude oil, there are VAST reserves of coal MORE than enough to mankind out but NO lets not use that 😡😠😠😡
Bruh thats not what they meant, they were refering to the bearings on the drive axels.
Also I geuss basically ALL WEST COAST steamers aren't proper lol
You have an odd idea of what constitutes a "proper" locomotive. Quite a few "proper" locomotives were originally designed and built to burn oil and, to me, I would rather see a loco converted to oil ( for whatever reason) than sit rusting on static display or sent to the scrap heap
Would you implying that 844, 3985, 4014, 2926, 3751, and 4449 aren’t proper then? Does it matter what fuel they burn?
You do realize some Steam Locomotives such as SP 4449 were always oil burners right? Honestly I love all steam locomotives, coal, oil, wood, whatever. I don't care if one locomotive has a different fuel than another, steam is still steam, and the fact that they are running and in good condition is all that matters. Also gotta consider that some groups convert coal burners to oil use primarily to decrease wild fires by their land or tracks. Just accept what we have (Plus he's not talking about 1225s fuel, this is running gear work).
As per a reply that FMW made to a prior made comment of mine on this video, when Shane said “oil conversion”, he meant that the 1225 would be having a system installed on its drive axle bearings that’s similar to what the 4449 currently has, which from what I’ve heard, offers a similar performance to what roller bearings would give.