Making a Homemade CARABINER and Testing It In a CAVE! Part 3
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Be carefull with the 23 kN test, even though it might not break there probably will be plastic deformation which might render it unusable. And yes definitely make more climbing equipment^^
with that cross section ( no slimmed down webbing for weight reduction) I doubt if will suffer plastic deformation , keep in mind that is steel not Al alloy. And in a closed position it will have very little if any elastic deformation.
@@bajlazs exactly, if anything i think the steel will be stronger then that Al alloy, the only issue i see would be to rust since the advantage of Al alloy is it does not suffer from the same corrosion problems steel does. Another point if there are any micro tears in the steel if there is too much stress it could suffer sheering force and break that way, though i doubt that would happen since Alec is skilled at his job, still it is a potential risk when forging by hand.
Agreed on the 23kN in principle, although as it's a steel crab modelled on (presumably?) an aluminium one, it shouldn't have any issues. What *would* be really interesting is an NDT report from someone like Petzl, see if there's any tiny cracks/delaminations in there. That particular crab is going to be safe though, as it's vastly over-engineered in terms of the material, any fall big enough to cause concern about the crab is going to break your back anyway.
An old style Sticht plate with spring would be a quick and easy one....seeing as Alec bottled the springs on this project ;) Big old spring, not safety critical, good starting point.
@@bajlazs yeah when I was working on a ropes course we had steel biners that were roughly the dimensions of my aluminum ones, the aluminum were good to 23kn, but some of the steels were rated up to 60kn, really pits your customer to ease when you tell them it'll carry 2 cars and that their body is the weakest link in the system
id say its a safe amount for it to not warp, the limit of it is most likely at least double of that
As someone who had spent 20 years climbing and gone into a few caves, this might be my favorite video of yours. Hope you still read comments from time to time and see this. Rock on!! Thank you!!
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@@AlecSteele damascus climbing ice axe next
@@AlecSteele More caving stuff!
@@AlecSteele I agree to what Chad said. I almost feel like you made one already, or maybe it was the fireman axe
Less caving stuff. Can’t watch that at all. Horrifying
Very Very cool video & build. in case you are curious, the little white fossils visible at time 13:29 are mostly crinoid columnals, there's also a couple pieces might be from trilobites. crinoids are kinda like armoured sea anenomies on stalks. most of the rock clearly visible in the cave was limestone formed in ancient oceans. a couple parts looked shaley.
i think you should save your first damascus caribiner, maybe use it to hold keys securely to a belt loop & in your pocket. & yes! it'd be cool to see you make more caving stuff.
if you come back to the USA you should see the carlsbad cavern in new mexico, the mammoth cave in kentucky, & several others in Texas.
Thanks! No idea wtf I was looking at there
As a rock climber I find it fascinating that caving equipment is so much different from climbing equipment while having the exact same purpose and even being made by the same brands.
If it had the exact same purpose it wouldn't be different. It's different because it has a different purpose.
As a caver I assure you: they are totally different and are used for totally different purpouses. We start from the top and have to go down, you start from the bottom and try to go up, we use the rope for progression, and not rely on the rock and so on.
The first footage of caving I've seen that doesn't look completely terrifying, I think Alec's giggling takes the edge off
Yeah folding cave knife is next up for sure haha 😁👌 I don't know if I'd ever be able to go spelunking in such tight quarters, wild guys!
Same, I'd never do it
It's not as bad in person as it looks on camera, but when it comes to tight spaces, it could be alot worse, like crawling on your stomach through a place so tight that you have to take your hard hat off to fit kind of worse.
I wish I could, but I'm far to tall and fat... 🥴😭
@@Seelenschmiede, don't worry! Fat is squishy, bone is not. My instructor was quite a bit fatter then me and was able to squeeze through tight spots, where I got stuck just because I didn't relax enough.
I want to see a series of Alec making the full caving kit, and with each new part you test it out in a new cave, until in the very end you do some very impressive climb with Alec using fully homemade kit.
REALLY fun to see you two enjoy an experience you're both passionate about. Whether it seems like folk are interested in seeing more, it's obvious you both were absolutely thrilled!
More caving equipment and caving adventures sounds like a wonderful next chapter for the channel and life in general.
Not sure I wanna see this break tested. It's a piece of art. Maybe see if you can make a rough second one out of the same material with only the structural components to see how that would perform? I'm definitely curious as to what the damascus would do under load.
Also, more climbing gear please!
He wouldn't have to shape the ends, just make the C shape, since this style of carabiner doesn't depend on the gate at all for strength.
@@greggv8 they usually do, most climbing caraviners are only rated to ~7kn with the gate open. And the one he did is an oval one which usually performs a bit worse than D shaped ones
@@greggv8 strength of carabiners usually triples with the gate closed
@@paulj4262 But this one *does not have a hook* for the gate.
@@greggv8 late reply... while it doesn't have a traditional hook, it has a dovetail like fit. With a thicker Nose fitting into a channel in the gate. So yes, the gate really makes it stronger.
Knurling needs to put a lot of pressure on the piece, it is a good practice to hold the end of it with a pre-hole and a point while knurling. I'm glad it worked anyway!
When I did knurling and shop class it was low RPM and low feed. Try not to take the neuraler off the material until you're happy with how high the diamond points are, sometimes getting it lined back up will ruin it
Honestly i don't remember the last time I saw Alec so stoked about one of his finished products, probably particularly A) because it works perfectly B) it's beautiful C) it's always good to have a successful project after a failed one, it's a morale boost.
I think they should keep the carabiner as is, it's really a beautiful piece of craftsmanship. To watch it break would be like watching Will's power hammer break all over again.
To test the carabiner I think you should set a line up, hook Alex to it while he is standing on a table and then make him step off the table where he runs out of rope before meeting the ground. I would recommend that he ensures all 'personal' parts are correctly arranged and secured away from the harness straps first though!
Fantastic idea for a video and even better execution. It came out just beautifully. You have become quite the machinist! Please don’t destroy it-not only is it a gorgeous object, it’s a memento for your first caving trip!
On a side note, as someone who studies rocks, I really appreciated the beautiful shots of Mississippian (Visean) age Crinoid Wackestone of the Monsdale Limestone and overlying Eyam Knoll Reef Limestone into which that swallet was carved. The geology of that area is quite interesting. It’s a large dome or anticline, and you were in its limestone center. Younger layers of siltstone and sandstone on top are eroded away and form sharp cuesta edges such as Stannage Edge (and Rushup Edge, north of where you were). There are a whole network of swallets (sinkhole caves for winterbourne streams) in that area, as I am sure Jamie is aware, along with some decent mineralization (the Odin ore trend is right near there) and Pleistocene fossils of rhinoceros, etc, some of which have actually been found, permineralized, within the caves.
Also maybe this is more of a question for Jamie, but I took a look at the map of P8-did you guys make it all the way down to sump 1? I am fascinated by caving but the tight squeezes with no turning around terrify me (esp being over 195cm in height) and it looks incredibly uncomfortable to the point of misery with the combination of tightness, wetness, coldness, and darkness. However, I still enjoy reading and learning about it. I recently read a fantastic memoir by cave diver William Stone (nominal determinism at work) called “Beyond the Deep”, about his expedition into the San Agustin sump, in the Huautla cave system in Mexico, which at a depth of 1560m is one of the deepest caves in the worlds. Caving…I might try if I had the right guide and cave. But cave diving…that is another story altogether. The logistics and skill needed to plan and haul sensitive diving equipment all the way down, and then the diving skill and danger itself… Bill Stone and his associates actually had to invent new rebreathing technology in order to accomplish their expedition, and sadly several lives were lost.
Anyway, this is all just to say, I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
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Not only a super cool, functional and BEAUTIFUL build, but an awesome end to a video also.
It's cool and refreshing to see that despite you being his employer and Jamie being your employee, you both have a mutual respect for eachother, and although there's a friendship you both still remain professional and can still cut loose and have awesome experiences such as this!
Seeing how far you've come from the dark small space you were working in years back to where you are now, a flourishing business and channel, a lovely wife, two wonderful dogs, a new house (Which reminds me - what happened with the DIY videos? :O ) It couldn't have happened to a nicer or more hard working & deserving person.
Keep it up Alec, keep kicking ass! :D
All the best from Bournemouth
It's awesome to see you branching out into technical machining of caving/climbing gear !! Also, might be a long shot but if you come back to Derbyshire for caving at some point im a caver myself and would it would be great to organise a trip with you guys as I live in Derbyshire, there's so many great places I would love to visit again and would definitely love to visit with you guys possibly (fingers crossed !!)
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This is awesome! I would love to see you try to make a traditional (trad) climbing cam/spring-loaded camming device.
I’m not sure I would trust my life to a home-made one, but the physics and design are very interesting, imo.
The offer to come to Utah and go canyoneering for you and Jamie is always open. If you find yourself in the states ever again. I've got a few canyons I'm certain you'd enjoy. I've got all the gear, you just need to show up and have fun! The cave looked awesome by the way. Thanks for sharing.
I always love watching other people discover a love of caves. Jamie, well done on choosing a good first one for Alec! Next get him to do a roof sniff :D
Just love this! Some outdoor adventure combined with your craftsmanship 💪🏻💜
Spring loaded to the open position, sounds like a Naigo Marsh plot. So many drills in the 1-13mmx0.5 in upside down due to shank burrs. Didnt know that set existed. Well done not loosing your glasses in the cave. Great practical project.
One extremely important thing to remember to bring when caving. Extra fully charged batteries for your various flashlights. One additional item that most forget to bring is biodegradable toilet paper. If you are going into a cave, that will take hours to get through.
That is a fantastically fun looking cave. There are lots of of fun caves around the UK. But they can get pretty cold. The UK caving clubs do trips to Thailand/SE Asia to explore and survey caves in the region. They are a whole different world and the water is much warmer ;) If you decide to come back to Australia, there's a lot of fun to be had underground here too.
I wouldn't personally replace any of the alloy descender/ascender gear with steel variants, just because of the added weight. For a short trip it might be okay. But if you spend 8-14 hours under ground or have long ascents, that can really add up in terms of fatigue.
Damascus caving knife build next please!!!
Also, careful of rust!
More climbing equipment is definitely needed! Really looking forward to see you make those things
one of my favorite video's not just the making of the carabiner and how it performs, but also the vibe between you guys during the caving. Awesome fossils in the limestone by the way!
I love when they enjoy it as much as little children. I want to see more projects that take them outdoors
I think it would be a lot of fun to ask @HowNOT2 if they want to do the beak test. It's a beautiful piece of work but it would also be a really fun test.
Fantastic series!
I did some caving in my younger days. My favorite cave had a spot where I had to turn my head sideways to crawl through that obstacle.
Exploring the cave was the best part of this video and probability one of the coolest cave videos I have ever seen and the water element made it much more fun
Nice work on the carabiner. spelunking is fun for those who enjoy climbing in caves. Enjoy soon the fun will wear off. I think a full spelunking setup would be great to see. After you test the carabiner.
Definitely want to see you guys make more caving stuff.
would love to join you guys on a caving experience. why not run a competition where a fan could win a day forging and learning with you.
I'm a tree surgeon and I use something called a petzl zigzag to climb trees. It's a really cool and clever design. It'd be cool to see you make one 👍🏼
a caving knife would be a great second entry into a caving equipment series
The music in this was FIRE. So well done. Love these episodes.
Making more climbing and caving gear sounds great. Always cool when you make something you haven't made before.
I didn't realize *I* was claustrophobic until 15:20 ish... Caving won't be something I try. Nope. Kudos to you two!
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Honestly Alec, don't listen to the people telling you to break test it. You've made a piece of machined and hand forged art. You've had your first caving experience with it. Hang it up proudly, and make more cool stuff!
I'd love to see the limit test of the carabiner! Honestly, you probably should have done that before trusting your health and safety to it XD.
well, since it's made by hand, there's no point since the next one will have a different limit lol
@@thalanoth As Jamie said, it should have been tested to make sure it would withstand the rated limit. If it survives, it's OK to use.
@@nathan87 you mean minimum safety rating? Cuz a limit test means you test it until it's destroyed lol
@@thalanoth No, I said the "rated limit". Perhaps I should have said "rated strength", but in any event, "rated" means the value at which it should be designed to withstand in normal use. If the accepted standard for a carabiner is that it should be able to safely hold up to 23kN, they should at least have tested it to 23kN, then they know it is safe to use. What I would be particularly concerned about here would be the possibility for delamination of the damascus.
@@nathan87 I know that, but I was responding to the original commenter obviously.
Very impressive! As a sometime winter mountaineer I'd love to see you make a Damascus ice axe or some crampons...
Up next on the adventures of Alex and Jaime, Ice Climbing and a series of videos making a Damascus ice tool. Lets make it happen!!!
Machinist and avid climber here, this made me very happy. Also, more infeed on your knurl will get you deeper. Can be tricky with less rigid lathes, but the knurl roll needs more material to work with.
I love videos where one of my favorite TH-camrs references another one of my favorite TH-camrs.
I’m an arborist climber and I think it cool to see these apart and how they work. I would love to see you make more!!
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They make rope knives. I had one with a forward sweep, like a karambit, but the edge wasn't straight. It had a sort of dull tooth edge, like an inverse serration. There were convex serrations, where the small sharp points were negative space and the tips of each serration were the rounded center of the arcs. Also, the tip was full thickness, circular, and totally dull, so there was no way to stab yourself with it. Might be useful in a cave.
If it passes the rating, it deserves to live! This old Tony is such a wonderful channel.
The cave they went into reminds me of some of the caves in upstate New York. Specifically the layer of crinoid stems at the top of the cave. Very similar to some limestone and dolostone layers outside Albany, NY. Then again, it isn't too much of a surprise since both cave systems were made in rock that formed in the same area ~350-400 million years ago. In fact, it was the similarities between the fossils of the North East United States and some of the fossils in England and Scotland that helped form the theory of Plate Tectonics.
You ought to machine a decent headlamp body. Converting an old Petzl Duo into a mega light would be pretty cool. Congrats on your first caving trip, you have just entered a much more interesting world.
I'm in P8 most weeks digging at the moment! Hope you had a great time
That was a very cool adventure!
I love this new style with guy behind the camera interacting with you and joining into the discussion, keeps you on your toes it seems :D
Awesome video - love the build process and exotic testing with cave climbing 😎
Never expected to see caving on this channel. I am a very experienced caver in the US. We actually go in and map caves for the fun of it. Spending many many hours underground. I am also an engineer and hobby machinist abd enjoy seeing what you create.
Coincidentally I was just in the UK last week. Drove right through the Peak district out of Manchester. My first time traveling international. Should have brought my caving gear it appears.
Excellent series.
There is literally nothing on earth that would compel me to go through a small hole into the depths of the earth.
Just watching you go in gave me sweaty palms and an elevated pulse rate.
I like Jamies idea for the stress test, and more caving gear would be cool too! Maybe try making some titanium components and coloring it? Or even attempting to make “Timascus” ??
I climb cell towers for a living and we use a lot of similar equipment, so I do thoroughly enjoy watching watching these videos. Great content guys!
More caving videos in the caves and more climbing tools
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I would actully be pretty stoked to see you make a harness, and the device that tlowers you(safely). I feel it would be kinda like the mountain bike challenge, but smaller scale.
The thing about tight caves like the one they went into is that if you get injured it can be nearly impossible to rescue you
& never Ever go into a wet narrow cave like that without checking the weather forecast AND letting others know where you R going & when you intend to be back.
@@geodeaholicm4889 yep, they broke many rules of caving including the requirement of wearing gloves while moving around the cave. The oils on human skin can damage the caves and the caves’ ecosystem
Wow, never been this early to watch Alec make mistakes. ha ha ha
same here!
Thoes fins were Ash Hiscocks but he isnt diving P8 anymore. I brought them back from sump 3 to the start of sump 1 and now they are communal rather than having to carry a set of fins most divers just use them. There is a bunch of lead stashed down there as well.
Thank you for sharing the story behind them being there 🙏🏻
I would really like to see you make more caving gear, this video series was amazing and I loved the caving adventure at the end!
I'm sorry, did Alex make a project in only 3 parts? Absurd! Preposterous! Unheard of!
Carabineer looks sooooooo good!
Nothing like an enclosed, hard to get into/out of place with a constant inward flow of water to make you feel safe and at home.
You should be able to test it safely on rated strength. There are big safety margin at specified strength.
By the way, if you sometimes have to make some fancy turning tool, you can make it from 4140 and then use tig welder to weld a drop of high-speed steel on cutting edge. I have done it without pre-heat and have no problems. HSS seems to harden by itself, at least when the welding time is short.
Of course tools can be grinded from HSS bar, but it's tough work compared to making it in lathe and mill. Many times the tool can be made much thicker to compensate lower stiffness of base material.
I have used broken HSS endmills since it seems to be the best material. Hss bars and even old drillbits works, but I don't recommend them since they are usually coated and many times they are not entirely made on hss
Now u need to make a quick roll ascender to match the carabiner. Great video once again👌
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Things to make... I'm thinking descender & back up devices
Descenders:
"Easy" Figure 8 descender
"Hard" auto locking descender (any brand)
Backups
"Easy" a rope grab, e.g. rocker/locker
"Hard" Petzl ASAP/equivalent engineering difficulty
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Great work on the beener. Looks great. Happy you enjoyed the caving. Just as an FYI the reason steel isn't typically used is because it can rust and that can cause problems with the integrity of the material. Plus it's a little bit heavier. But with over 15 years of experience it is still a thrill to watch people enter into the climbing world. One of the best sports for the mind and body.
Jamie: Be real careful when coming down here.
Alec: Careful of what?
Jamie: Everything.
🤣 Word of absolute wisdom
I would under no circumstances trust my life with this carabiner, unless it undergoes ultrasonic and eddy current testing. Witch I highly doubt it will pass due to it being Damascus steel. Anything can hold a set amount of weight but a small discontinuity in a single layer could very easily cause a stress concentration and result in failure
After seeing you belay down the shop wall I’d love to see you make one side a climbing wall with damascus handholds
The small montage of the Gatebody in the Mill is so cool! And the music is really fitting as well.
But no way in hell would you catch me down in that narrow hole :S
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The proper way to knurl is to feed across, and at the end, stop the spindle with feed still engaged, change feed direction, and turn back on. All whilst keeping great pressure between the tool and part.
I’d make a copy of the Handy braking crab. It doesn’t see anything like the load that a regular carabiner could potentially be exposed to, so you could actually use it without being worried about it.
I loved this series! I would really enjoy seeing you make a full set of Damascus caving equipment!
I predict a lot more caving tools.
(A diving knife could be cool too. Although to keep it stainless it'd have to be stainless steel or titanium, so unless you can work out a stainless Damascus, it'll probably have to be mono)
Maybe Jamie could make his caving knife. Working in a blacksmith shop and not making a knife for your hobby sounds like a crime.
This made me happy on so many levels. Caving is fascinating. And yalls personalities make it just that much better
next time someone enters your shop "why are there footprints on that wall?" Alec "well that's obviously a cave"
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The caving knife would be an awesome thing! You should teach Jamie how to make a knife as well.
Would love to see you make more caves equipment
They are absolutely nuts to go inside that cave, i wouldnt pass the entrance, but maybe cuz not only i would feel claustrophobic in there but i'm also maybe too big to fit though those narrow spaces. That is absolutely terrifying to me.
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It would be cool to see you make a light bulb, the filament would be really challenging and blowing the glass would be completely different...
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Your machining skills have finally come into their own, this is your best project yet. Congrats!!!
Fantastic, Alec! I'd also enjoy watching you make some more climbing components.
How awesome would it be to do a spelunking experience with only equipment that you forged yourself? I'm all for team "make more climbing equipment"!
That little cave outfit suit up was a good one, looked like Jamie got a little too close to the electrical outlet.
I would love to see more caving tools, especially the folding caving knife
You should sell your Damascus idea to Petzel or Black Diamond.
I think that was a very realistic test, exciting too! Though I wouldn't say that it was a proper test; the carabineer has been confirmed as being capable of basic completing carabineer tasks 👍
Well done!
Give this mans an award or something! 🏆
Gotta love it took 5 videos to make the simple c shape of the body but the complex bits took 12 minutes lol
As a cave rescue instructor, remember every hour into the cave is 8 hours of rescue coming out.
Glad you weren’t claustrophobic but that last tight spot you went through had me holding my breath!
Great video. Maybe make a climbing axe next? Best of both worlds.
Wow. Caving couldn’t look any less appealing.
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As a caver I would LOVE for you to make more caving gear!!!!!!!!!!!
it looks so sick, but its so rock colour so finding it would be a little annoying if you dropped it, so I feel like you should brake test it, even though it looks flipping amazing haha
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As a climbing who has been watching you videos for years im glade to see you do climbing gear you sould definitely make more gear you should do a belay devise
Hey, I’d love to see you, make some more caving and climbing equipment
And since this is the one off part, I don’t think it’s worth testing it higher than 10 kN Because you’re unlikely to see forces higher than 5 kN so if it survives 10 KNat super good enough
And if you wanting to test it Street view should get a hold of the channel HowNot2 they tests caving and other climbing equipment and have a machine to test equipment to failure
I think it would make a great collaborative video
Apologies for the spelling and grammar I am extremely dyslexic
Perfect project for a fantastically adventurous field trip! Well done!
I eagle eyed a safety tip. Remove the string from your hoodies when working with spinny tools. Smart Alec!