Making a Stainless Steel Folding Rope Knife! Part 1
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This whole episode was kind of a dumpster fire. 🤣 Both guys getting burnt with the dry ice, Alec singeing his hair, the clamping fiasco, etc. I loved it.
I winced when he just picked it up bare-handed.
First rule of dry ice: don't fucking touch dry ice
That's not hyperbole. It is, quite literally, the first rule listed in a lot of the lists of rules and laws for using dry ice.
He's from Norfolk UK, standard stuff really! 🤣🤣
@@HalfdeadRider normal for Norfolk!
@@DonOblivious lol. This is exactly what I said to my screen when I saw him grab the dry ice.
A tip for getting the oxygen out of the envelope- put a little piece of paper in with the blade. It will burn off all the oxygen inside.
Funnily enough, Jamie's comment about the return slip was right on the money!
Lol, that's great.
That must be why in sealed (or as best can be) canisters I see forgers putting in dried chillis.
@@stevenwest1494 Shurap does that for the pun of "sharp" and "spicy" being the same word in Ukrainian
I actually thought he brought up the return adress for that exact reason at first.
ALEC - QUICK TIP! IF you are going to use the Steel foil 'Envelope' trick.... BEFORE you seal up the envelope with the blade inside, HEAT the envelope and knife up FIRST BEFORE SEALING IT UP. This drives out the 'Air'/oxygen from the 'Envelope', and then while it is STILL HOT, fold over the last seal. This is why you see those little 'Buttons' on jars of food, the jars are filled with warm/hot food contents, then sealed, the process drives out the air/oxygen and thus causing a vacuum inside...
This will help STOP the envelop 'Puffing up' on the heat treatment/hardening cycle 👍 😎🇬🇧
One feature of this knife you forgot to mention. The grey circle is serradet and connected to the blade. It is designed that way so you can open it with the thickest of gloves and don’t need to fiddle with the thumbnail hole on the blade to open it. Makes it easy to open one handed as well.
I love this knife and it is my daily carry as a park ranger. Cheap, easy to find if you drop it, hooks on your beltloop with a carabiner and goes through rope in one cut.
I've absolutely loved watching your channel throughout the years.
What if you revisited some past projects? Taking a look at old swords and fun projects and demonstrating how you might handle things differently with your current wealth of knowledge, tools, and techniques could be a fun series
That's a great idea
yeah, it would be nice to see more of the old swords. His channel lost me when he moved back to UK and left his USA workshop behind.... there were some weird videos about his new home.... it was a weird time and then I lost interest. Didn't bother to watch his vides after that, because i didn't see any new projects that captured my interest
@@TmdXD And despite not watching any of his videos since the move back here you are commenting on Alec's latest video.
That would be pretty cool!
Yeah, I'm curious how the 1 Million layer Katana is doing.
Great video, recommend placing a small strip of paper inside the stainless wrap to burn up any excess oxygen trapped inside during preheating, a long used method in this style of heat treating.
Wow thats smart!
Wow thats smart!
@@barnett25 You’ve also gotta make a nice floral tea or the blade will never turn out right.
@@barnett25 i always asked myself why he puts this stuff in now i know tanks
@barnett25 the words for spicy and sharp are the same in his language, so he can say it adds sharpness to the blade.. Best smithing pun ever, imho.
You're not supposed to just hold dry ice with your bare hands it can easily burn your skin. You can touch it for a few seconds but if you squeeze a chunk or hold it for awhile you will do damage.
If you’re careful it’s easy to not get hurt. It’s like handling a really hot tortilla, as long as you keep it moving around you won’t get hurt. I’ve messed around with dry ice for years, most of the time bare handed, and I’ve never gotten a burn from it
I'm pretty sure he figured that out in this video.
I did my first cryo treatment on a blade using dry ice. When the box arrived and I opened the shipping box the first thing I saw was a leaflet with safety instructions on what not to do with it.
I think this will be a nice knife.
The moment when he said "it feels like im burning my hand" I literally shouted 'you are you idiot! don't do that!"
I figured that one in my youth playing with the fog machine on Halloween
I would recommend getting a nice pair of cut resistant gloves for working with materials like the steel foil. You get a really good amount of dexterity while also preventing some really bad cuts that could end up worse than you would initially think.
I f-ing love this channel
Me too!
I've been waiting on waiting on Alec to discover the pivot hinge.
However, Alec discusses his proposed knife alterations, I hold up my Gerber Remix knife and raise an eyebrow.
Also, props to Alec to find the safer cold bath. I had to do a search for dry ice alcohol baths. My organic chemistry classes told me dry ice and acetone for -78C. Apparently isopropyl alcohol (the naming of which would cause my organic teacher eye twitches) reaches the same temperature when mixed with dry ice.
You've been making a lot more intricate items lately, would you ever consider trying to make a butterfly knife? I think you might be surprised by the accuracy which is required to make a good one!
He'd have to escape the prison island of UK to be able to make one legally
@@atronachh i mean, who said it has to be sharp, he can just make a trainer...
@@guy_withglasses all butterfly knives, whether sharp or blunt are illegal to own/possess in the UK. They are just banned outright. Unless the knife is over 100 years old (n/a here). So unless he were to make one in his Montana (where it is legal to own one afaik) workshop... it's not going to happen.
@@MaxRide1 I don't believe trainers are illegal... they're classified as fidget toys if anything
@@guy_withglasses they are banned, sharpened or trainer doesn't matter in this case.
Just like all punch knives, sharp or not are illegal.
UK politicians hate knives.
Definitely a good thing that dry ice wasn't in block form. It would've stuck to you and turn the skin straight off potentially doing permanent damage. I saw it happen as a kid.
I was surprised when you guys grabbed dry ice with your bare hands
Ok... Alec is on fire with this climbing series, keep doing it!
Going by this video, you may end up being *literally* correct as this series progresses.
Cold ice: -70C, gives *cold burns* .
"Oo lemme touch that".
Dry ice is how you can see snow on Mars, it's that cold here, cold enough to turn gas into snow.
I feel like this is the slippery slope of caving tool making, at some point Alec is going to make a diving bottle and regulator on a power hammer
I use a CRKT knife where the hole for the carabiner is at the bottom of the handle and prevents the knife from opening when clipped. Might be something worth considering in this design. It's the CRKT NIAD
The Alec and Jaime show!!! Always the best!
Alec : "Ow, that hurt!"
Jamie: "Let me try."
Alec is slowly turning into a medieval dwarf, first blacksmithing now caves...
Soon a bearded bald man and his son, which he calls boy, will ask him to upgrade his ax
@@tbread1128 haha totally
Holding the dry ice with bare hands was something special. I understand that it was done out of ignorance. We all learn at some point, but wow. Hope you didn't get frost bite that stuff is -109°F (-78.5°C)
Hey Alec, I just saw a post on the Witcher subreddit from Nathan, the guy who bought Mr. Pilkington. I thought it was funny seeing him in the wild and thought you'd like to know Mr. Pilkington is still out there hammering hot steel into works of art. Cheers from southern California.
Dry ice is often used to burn off warts - def something to be mindful of when Billying around 😁
I have several scars from trying to burn off warts.
I found a doctor who uses a chemical blistering agent. It works far better than anything else I've tried, and it's slightly less painful than dry ice.
6:22 and now Alex has discovered why dry ice needs gloves. :)
I’ve loved this “let’s make useful items” trend - far more enjoyable. I’d love to see it go more towards the “custom designed from scratch” rather than copy+paste another object.
hey Alec, can you make a bread knife oneday? i think it would be interesting to see how you achieve the serrated edge
Jamie I’m glad I’m not the only one that foresaw that clamp slipping lmao. And yes dry ice is supercooled co2 and should always be handled with gloves - even welding gloves
Three folds per side to keep the envelope air tight as possible. I used a small roller to seal it . Or use a rubber mallet to lessen the risk of puncturing the foil. Get your hands on an industrial scissors to cut that foil. You will cut yourself on that stuff almost every time. no matter how long you have been working with it.
I am so happy you went back to a more relaxed style of video.
Yes Alex, dry ice can freeze burn you. What I thought was hilarious was the Jamie followed him straight up after seeing it burn Alex. Like they say about who invented bull riding. The guy that invented it wasn't the problem, it was the guy that watched him and thought it would be a good idea to try it too.
Love the climbing content! Have you considered making climbing holds from steel?
The slot on the blade is actually really important. It's there so that if you have only one hand available you can open it with your tongue. I should know: I have about three million years of climbing experience.
ALEC - QUICK TIP! IF you are going to use the Steel foil 'Envelope' trick.... BEFORE you seal up the envelope with the blade inside, HEAT the envelope and knife up FIRST BEFORE SEALING IT UP. This drives out the 'Air'/oxygen from the 'Envelope', and then while it is STILL HOT, fold over the last seal. This is why you see those little 'Buttons' on jars of food, the jars are filled with warm/hot food contents, then sealed thus causing a vacuum inside...
This will help STOP the envelop 'Puffing up' on the heat treatment/hardening cycle 👍 😎🇬🇧
@AlecSteele
8:44
I found a much better way of lighting the forge, I use a ferrocerium rod to light some 0000 steel wool, then toss it in the forge before turning on the air, then turn on the gas last. The air keeps the ember in the steel wool going nice and hot, and then bringing in the gas lets the forge light up nice and gentle, with no hair loss or scary blasts. It only takes a small scrap of steel wool, and you can fish it back out easily, so nothing soots up the inside of the forge.
Hells yes! I was so hoping you'd make more stuff geared towards climbing equipment.
Dry ice turns to gas when you touch it, so it doesn’t suck much heat out of your fingers unless you get it stuck somewhere. The cooled down alcohol however will give you serious frost burns. It is sticky and thick like maple syrup, so it sticks to your skin while it freezes it to death. You should therefore be extremely carefull around it
Awesome design. Can't wait to see more videos soon my friend.
Great project can’t wait too see it.
a fancy ash tray to go with the lighter build would be cool.
The hole has two purposes one for opening and to loosen stuck shackle pins.
Really enjoyed the stock removal making as a change from the forging. Both are awesome, just enjoying the different content.
I've had a Gerber remix for years and years. Knife with a hole like that is such a great design. I take it climbing and back country skiing and the design never fails.
Maybe you could add a thermal sensor (thermocouple) to the forge, or maybe use pyrometer / infrared camera to measure the temperature of the steel taken out of forge (or in the forge), or the cryo bath?
As soon as I saw him opening the box of Dry Ice my immediate thought was "Where's your PPE?" For a frame of reference about how long Dry Ice can last before it completely sublimates, once at work I left a box of dry ice out to sublimate so the box could be sent back and it took a week for it all to go away. The box was worthless by that point though because while the ice was warming up it was also cooling off the air making the water condense on the box so it was turning moldy.
Incidentally that's why it felt like it was sucking the skin into it, it is so cold that it was literally freezing the fluids in your body, (Incidentally the freezing temperature of the human body is -17.8 C, which is 0 F, it's not arbitrary that's what 0 F was defined as. So anything below that can damage your skin if you come into bear contact with it.)
While hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not the one doing, I did foresee some issues trying to create pressure while clamping a round surface with a regular clamp.
Glad no one was hurt
I just came back to your channel after a few years and I gotta say, this video was really awesome, but!
I just don't see the energy in you anymore. I remember when you were full of energy all the time, flipping all the tools, running up and down, and even when you were talking you were the happiest and most energetic person, just because you wanted to work. Now I just cannot hear the excitement in your voice that you had. Nice video tho. Glad to see you still make quality content.
You can purchase bags of dry ice from your local larger grocery stores in the US, and overseas. It might save you a bit of money rather than shipping it in!
10:44 Alec laughs just like Ricky Gervais. So funny
AEBL is the finest grained, most sharply sharpenable steel I’ve worked with. It got sharper than anything else I’ve used. Made a steak knife set and was push shaving, not slice shaving, the hair on the base of my neck. I was definitely impressed with it. Quenched in dry ice and alcohol as well.
Watching both alec and Jamie burn their hands with dry ice is possibly the funniest things I've seen all day, much love but seriously don't hold dry ice lol
You should do a climbing collab with some of the UK based climbing youtubers!!
This would be perfect as a sailing knife if it also had a shackle key and marlin spike for untying knots as well!
The moment he said dry ice and doesn’t have a glove ready, I immediately toughen my legs; prepared to run and stop him from touching it.
This was incredible well edited!
I have a paratrooper knife that has a rope blade in it. Pretty handy. Though it does not do big rope so a more of a v U shape would work.
you've done engraving and inlaying. Id love to see you try damascening. You should look it up its a really cool process and I think it'd look excellent on a sword hilt or something
@10:20 "It's gonna spew out molten gasses." My engineering heart is laughing and crying at the same time XD
Alec started the video so quick I felt like I was late for class.
i hope alec does some rock climbing stuff too... it would be the coolest so see him collab with the wide boys!
I love it that you making a knife again.
I'm a climber, canyoneer, and knife enthusiast and in all my time in these hobbies I haven't found a knife specifically made for climbing that has a carabineer hole and a sheepsfoot or Wharncliffe blade. I just don't see the use of a drop point. The edge is what you want so why not take away the tip, that way if a rope is tightly wrapped around someone's limb (which I have seen happen a few times) you can press the sheepsfoot tip against the skin to safely get under the rope and cut out. White water knives are made for this scenario so why not the vertical world??
Quality content!
Dry ice feels like it burns you because it does lmao
It's solid carbon dioxide, my guy! The stuff sublimates at -57C (70F).
As a mountaineer, rock climber, that cut out in the knifes spine is that way, as not to deploy in case you have to scramble about, while climbing, rappelling, etc
Rope that is under tension cuts very easily, especially with a knife.
Having any chance of accidental opening is not a good thing.
A knob can snag open, the likelihood of a rock opening the cutout is very slim, plus if wearing gloves it gives better purchase on the blade.
Look at Benchmade/ Spyderco knives that are designed for search and rescue.
Most it not all use a cutout for a reason.
I've been watching for awhile when you were in your first workshop I think. Is this your first time making a pocket knife?
Now that you're back in UK, would it be possible for you to revisit your old Norwich workshop?
I'm certain someone else is using it now, but perhaps they'd allow you to stop by?
I'm not going to lie, I miss the good ol' chef with his little loft ♥ may he RIP
No one is using it, still empty in quite a poor state.
this is probably the most disastrous episode ive seen, love it!
Hahahahaha absolutely love this episode. Very enjoyable.
Just an idea, could you please consider creating some 1h30, 2h long videos of past projects like the katana, the viking or the zweihender?
A bit like what Colin Furze did with his tunnel videos, just stitch them together. I mean all these XX parts series are pure gold that are waiting for new viewers!
Always loved some crisps on the aeroplane
Definitely use some threadlocker on those Chicago screws
Yeah.... As others have said, dry ice can burn very quickly. Like, immediate frostbite.
It's suggested to only ever handle it with gloves... 😂
Have just realized: every time Alec asks someone behind camera, it goes like: Jamie, can you... Joe Rogan in his podcasts does the same thing :D
Fun fact about dry ice: it doesn’t melt, that’s why it’s “dry” ice. Instead, it sublimates - immediate state change from solid to gas with no liquid state.
Immediate change from solid to gas, like beans.
Can you make a knife out of coins? Id love to see what patterns you get. Maybe do it out of multiple different countries coins all together for a coller pattern?
wonderful sync-cut whit the montage ^^
Finally some good old blue dychem without any nonsense.
I am missing the song/jingle though
I'm an amateur knife maker and I can't stop envying Alec everytime I see his belt grinder. ( Cos I don't have one)
I would love to see more pocket knife stuff making super custom ones
Make a shield with engravings Alec !!
To get the oxygen out of your envelope, put in some paper. It will burn and use all the O while the blade heats up. Paper burns at 450 degrees F.
amazing rope and knife Sir
Make a Damascus steel tapping wrench, to add to your Damascus steel tool collection 😁😁
"It actually feels like you're burning your skin" :D dude, that is literally whats happening
My dad used to bring dry ice home from his lab and drop it in our bath when I was a kid. It bubbled amazingly and made a great layer of 'fog' in the bath (CO2 fog actually; probably not very safe in retrospect). It really hurt when it stuck to your skin, though...
Jamie had fun with this one
I have an idea for some things to make. I think it would be cool for you to make a pair of forceps and maybe some other surgical tools.
Alright time for some legendary bladesmithing like usual! ... Oh. Oh he's... Oh. Ok.
*Disappointment noises*
Already waiting patiently for the second part
Pausing the video to say damn... There's some talent going on here for sure. Great work.
Please try : Quench in GALLIUM! Quench in some metal!! 😉👊🍻
Wonder if you'd need to wrap Magnacut the same way as a stainless given its extremely unique properties? Also yeah, dont handle dry ice with your bare hands, theres a reason professionals use tongs to handle it.
Love you channel Long time watcher My question is is it really a good idea to have a pin to open the knife that could maybe catch on rope and open the knife or be abrasive to ropes if it was next to them?
"We are not going to get a terribly precise heat..."
Don't you have two very nice Paragon Ovens that would be just smashing at this? Come home Alec, we still have snow on the Beartooths.
I don't see how your locking bar is going to work, but I'm pretty sure you will find out it needs to be separate from the spacer soon enough.
Dry ice will literally burn you with even short contact with your skin. Something about being -109F/-80C or something... Also not considered a cryo quench as it isn't cold enough.
Plate quenching is more useful for preventing warping than for the added cooling speed over air. Particularly with thin blades, clamping the blade between 2 flat plates after the main quench is a very effective means of eliminating warps in simple steels just as it helps with stainless. Also, it has been demonstrated before (Simple Little Life has shown it) that aluminum plate quenching with an air blast rivals or even beats oil quenching for speed.
Alec not grasping the concept of dry ice is hilarious. "Otherwise it's gonna melt" lol
YAY! Blue dykem is back!
You could have 1 mm stainless sheet liners between the g10 and the knife. It would not add much weight but would give the handle more strength.
Not bad.. How about a nice small project like a stainless steel Damascus ice axe next 👍
I think they usually put a piece of paper in the stainless pocket things so all the air is consumed once it gets hot and catches fire
Having experience with dry ice, I sat here going, "Don't do it, don't do it, don't...of course he did it."