The Worst Reason to Leave Catholicism
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2023
- In this episode Trent reviews an article written by someone leaving Catholicism for a very bad reason.
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he's the embodiment of "I went to Catholic school for x years, therefore I know what I'm talking about"
ugh...yep.
Hahaha yup
There are thousands of the lukewarm marching behind him. It is robbery how our church and schools have failed us. They have come in like a thief in the night stealing our birthright little by little. But have no fear, Satan will only be laughing for a little while longer. A humble woman, acting on God’s command, will be his downfall.
Catholic schools are a joke. If you want to LARP as a Catholic family, send your kids to Catholic School.
@@kristincusick1342 Seems more a failing on the schools part. Religion classes are required in Catholic schools. I can say the religious formation in my Catholic school religion classes was non existent. Yes some comes from the family but the school should be rounding it out. Don't blame the students for poor formation by the schools.
Let’s say this bishop was wrong (which he isn’t), you don’t leave the Church because of the betrayal of Judas or the doubt of Thomas, or the denial of Peter.
red herring cope
@YAJUN YUAN Jesus is our leader.
@@MyMy-tv7fdRed herring is what way?
@YAJUNYUAN Yes because validity of an apostle is separate from there personal sin.
Judas always makes me sad, because even after the betrayal of Jesus if he would have asked for forgiveness instead of fall into despair; he would be in the Kingdom of Heaven.
We need to be saddened and aware of the loss of Bishop David O'Connell in California over the weekend. He was a very good, holy Bishop who spent 45 years in the worst parts of Southern California living and working among gang violence, poverty and the immigrants. He meet with a violent death in his own home. May God have mercy on his soul and the soul of the one who did this trouble deed. He was an example of why one should remain Catholic, truly seeing the face Jesus to all who he served.
May God grant him eternal rest. May God convert the heart of the person who committed this horrendous crime.
Amen. I didn't know the man, but was saddened to hear of the circumstances of his killing. May God welcome him into His embrace.
VERY HOLY
Praying for the repose of his soul. Unfortunately he favored woman priestesses which is a heresy, and was a leader of cchd which supports abortion even though O’Connell was pro life.
@@Crusader33ad The Catholic Campaign for Human Development (USCCB) Bishop David G. O'Connell of Los Angeles, Chair of the Subcommittee on the Catholic Campaign for Human Development.
The initiative of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD), PovertyUSA seeks to educate and promote understanding about poverty and its root causes. The Catholic Campaign for Human Development is dedicated to breaking the cycle of poverty by funding community programs that encourage independence.
So many Catholics do not even know the faith. They were raised Catholic but they were not catechized.
It occurred to me, this is why the Synod on Synodality is such a bad idea. The Church should not be asking people what should change, but the Church needs to tell people how to change and be more like Christ.
I agree 1000%. Without a strong, unbending church, the rest of humanity has no hope. The church must be the rock in a world that sways in the wind.
Very true. I attended CCD, Catholic grade school and graduated 1983 from junior seminary high school and through all that did not get Catechism. I got a big lump of disenchantment (putting it very mildly ) I fought it for a time, but By the grace of Jesus I am still a Catholic.
Yes. I grew up Catholic, I was baptized as an infant, went to CCD, but I was still very poorly catechized. I didn’t attend church every week. Every year it was a dice role if my family went to church on Christmas or Easter. However I always believed, I just never took it seriously. There have been many cases where God tried to pull me into a deeper relationship but I would read my Bible a little bit, then, unknowingly, deny Gods grace. About a year ago I complied with Gods grace all the way through. And very soon afterwards I was confronted with these Protestant objections to Catholicism, but again by the grace of God, He answered those objections. But poorly catechized Catholics are kind of an issue, not to us but to themselves. I hear of so many lukewarm, uncatechized Catholics to walk into a Protestant church, get presented strawmans of the Catholic Church and then 38 Bible verses quoted at them and then they get deceived, and leave the fullness of truth.
This was one of the most painful videos of yours to watch. "Cutting someone off from the Sacrament is bad, therefore I'm going to cut myself off from the Sacrament." Pray for Craig's humble return to the Church.
The RCC has no authority to bar anyone from the sacraments. Btw this is not Jesus' church. Jesus would not bar anyone. It's the individual who must refrain from the eucharist if he is in sin.
But even then one must question, how is it the pedophiles sodomites n fornicators can do communion n also partake of the eucharist. This is Catholicism. Double standards.
@@dannyboy6598"Those upon whom the penalty of excommunication or interdict has been imposed or declared, and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion." Canon 915. St Paul warns against the unworthy reception of the Lord's body as potentially damning to the soul. Dominus vobiscum.
I'm a simple man. I see a Trent Horn video; I click like.
I had a priest yell at me in Confession in a very echo-friendly church because I said I wasn't sure if I should go to my sister's wedding because she wasn't getting married in the Church. But I didn't leave Catholicism. I just avoided that priest like the plague.
Also, that person knew exactly what they were doing in that article. He wanted to leave the Church anyway and saw an opening to do so while garnering sympathy from non-Catholics reading the article. That way, he can feel "better" about himself leaving.
I'm sorry, but I have to know what this priest said. Was he upset that you were considering going or that you were considering not going to your sister's wedding?
@@adamgrey268 He was upset that I was considering NOT going and that I was having trouble acting nicely around her after finding out she had left the Faith and was getting married outside the Church. He told me, "You're gonna go to that wedding and you're going to dance with her." The part that he yelled was, "Child of God, what is your problem?" To his kind of credit, he apologized for yelling before I left. But I was almost too embarrassed to face the other people in line. I was going to attend the daily Mass after, but decided to leave.
@@ToddJambon I'm sorry that happened to you. Going to confession is so hard (at least for me). I can really sympathize with how you felt.
I remember one time I asked a priest if I could confess after mass and he gave me the impression he had better things to do--which is perfectly understandable--the priest has a life too, of course. But it has made it so difficult to ask this priest to go for reconciliation again.
I hope you're able to put this experience behind you and move ahead. God bless.
@@adamgrey268 Thanks. It happened a long time ago and I'm okay. It didn't shake my faith in the Catholic Church. And I hope that priest repented for doing that and hasn't done it to anyone else. We come to the Sacrament for council and forgiveness, not condemnation. Maybe God let it happen to me because He knew I could take it. And it taught the priest a lesson to not do it again in case someone can't take it.
Only one time did I hear a priest raise his voice in the confessional. I was a new Catholic back then, and really didn't know what to make of it. Fr Won came charging out, and that ended confessions for the day, as he returned to the sacristy. The penitent then left sheepishly only saying to the people in line, 'he's crazy!'
If the Eucharist meant so much to him then how could he walk away from the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Why don’t some Catholic Church don’t give the cup?
My exact thought.
@@Wgaither1 Because the complete Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity is contained in the Host. Please study the Catechism to learn about Catholic truths. Many churches did give out the cup pre-Covid and some are returning to it. But is not necessary.
"The spirit of this age is one that is often driven by nice platitudes that cover wickedness." Yes, perfectly said. I used to not agree with church teaching on a lot of things. But it wasn't until I assented that I could be wrong that the Lord opened my heart to accept the Church's teachings. It takes an act of humility and submission to God but the Lord is waiting to give people this grace if they seek it.
From UK I left the Catholic church for a while about 6 months I had doubts but I went back to the Catholic church I did research and thank God I went back God bless the Catholic church and please pray for all the clergy
Welcome back brother!
@@paularnold3745 yes thank you been back for nearly 2 years I'm back stronger than I was I'm going to fight the good fight hopefully till the end ,God bless you
Your research wasn't deep enough, or else you would of received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 you're foolish viper my friend I did research it's you who hasn't received anything you're outside the church of Christ who do you think saint Polycarp is a Catholic bishop from 125 AD he was the bishop of Smyrna ,and stupid why don't you read genesis who do you think the woman and child in genesis is the woman and child will have enmity from the serpent and it's offspring it's the blessed mother the virgin Mary and our lord Jesus also in revelation ,see what's wrong with stupid people like you I was stupid myself for listening to stupid people like you, when our lord Jesus said Peter I shall build my church on this rock petres petres means rock in Greek Peter was the first bishop of Rome also you're not doing yourself any favours by being outside the CHURCH of Christ ,I suggest you read John 6 aswel the institution of the Eucharist
@@eddyrobichaud5832 you remind me of the Pharisees ,you do know that also asking the saints to pray for you is in revelation,the saints hand the incense to God the incense is the prayers which are from the people who asked the saint to pray for them also purgatory exists too , confession is biblical yes prayers to God help but that's not how God wants people to confess there sins it's through a priest because when our lord Jesus said go to every town and city and go and heal and forgive sin in my name is actually stayed from apostles to the bishops and priests from the church fathers upto today , prostestism is unbiblical the church fathers not the church founders no wonder Catholics are so annoyed with Protestants like you .
The person who wrote this article isn't actually catholic nor "leaving the church". The purpose of this article is to encourage others to leave the church as well as to threaten church leadership.
Bingo.
The church leadership sucks.
You're right Trent, we should do our best to be empathetic...but, I can't help but feel that individuals like this writer were already half-out the door already because they're prioritizing their secular politics which contradict their faith, over their faith. They want their religion to confirm to THEIR politics. They don't see how they should confirm their politics to their religion. It's a form of pride. I know, I used to think this way when I was younger.
with all due respect but the idea that your worldview and politics should be conform to religion, and that casality doesn't go the other way around, is and idea of a cult, not a church or any type of a healthy community. It's rich talking about pride from a position of people whoose politics already agree with their religion, unwittingly making demands for the doctrine to conform to THEIR politics. There is a reason why hardcore believers are upset whenver high ranking priests commit heresy.
@@Mish844 I'm not sure I understand? Or perhaps you misunderstood? I believe people shouldn't try to have their religion/doctrine conform to their politics. Their politics should conform to their religion. I don't see how this is cult behavior. Also, I am coming from a place where originally my politics and faith were in contradiction. I amended my politics by being open minded about the fact that I could be wrong about them, and the Church may be right, and that was what was needed for the Lord to open my heart to accept the Church's teachings.
@@frumaatholoid yes, if you are fundamentally at odds with your community, and you remain or even act obediently without a hint of a problem, that is a red flag for cult behaviour
@@Mish844 Kinda like modern day liberalism.
No matter what a certain priest? does, no matter what scandals hit the church, despite whatever corruption or abuse of power might exist, and despite whatever mistakes the Church has made throughout history, to whom shall we go? for here is the body and blood of Christ given for a sinner as miserable as I.
Of all the twelve Apostles, Jesus chose Judas as well to preach the Gospel, and by this we have a spiritual comprehension that not all who minister come from holiness nor may prevail in holiness. No divine promise of a perfect body of church leaders was ever made. From Peter’s thrice denial and taking up the sword, to Paul’s collaboration in murder of the first martyr…all are demonstrative of the fact that in every saint there is a past sinner, and in every sinner the potential for a future saint.🌹🌹
Plenty of Judases having their way in the church. Where are the Peters and the Pauls? Why is the ratio so lopsided now compared to before?
I won't abandon my Lord Jesus' Church for any Judases.
The list of pathetic and weak bishops who word-salad their way through their diocesan work is infuriating. But yes, I would never leave Christ because of their effeminacy.
Two popes helped Hitler rise to power. Let that sink in.
Lol sure sure...@@stevecinneide8183
If you read "Pascendi Dominici gregis" by Pope St. Pius X
You will see why this reason to leave Catholicism is more common among modernists
For the Modernists, religious dogma or doctrine are not objective truths that we must assent to, but rather they are formed by the collective opinion of humans as time progresses
This is why they identify the faith with people and not with objective truth
And this is why most of them don't leave the Church and think it will transform based on the collective belief of modern man
Such a great encyclical!
This is exactly how I feel. Initially I felt drawn to Catholicism but after learning more I now cant help but believe that the councils are man made and so are their decisions and judgements.
Even with the Catechism, for every controversial doctrine in the catechism, there are 20 different interpretations of what the catechism actually means and how it should be applied.
It's just like the writings in the Bible...what it means depends on who you ask. What is mortal sin? Who goes to hell? What is infallible and what is not? Do people who comiy suicide go to hell? LGBT? Is the Pope really a valid Pope? With all these questions in Catholicism it all depends on who is interpreting the catechism and Canon Law.
There are so many pitfalls where lay people can get it wrong...and depending on who you ask may put those lay people in danger of hell if they believe the wrong thing and act on it.
Ulrimately, I guess I'll just entrust myself to God's love, mercy, and goodness. Every Christian religion has its good, bad, and questionable. That applies to doctrines, beliefs, and practices of Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants.
Sedevacantist = Protestant
@@G-MIP No
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// there are 20 different interpretations of what the catechism actually means and how it should be applied.//
no there isn't
and the Magisterium has given clear answers to all of these questions you cite
//There are so many pitfalls where lay people can get it wrong...and depending on who you ask may put those lay people in danger of hell if they believe the wrong thing and act on it.//
who cares about the opinion of this or that person?
listen to the Magisterium and it is quite clear on all these questions you have a problem with?
I was not raised Catholic but I have attended the Catholic Church later in life. I appreciate the liturgy plus the fact that the Catholic Church adheres to Traditional Biblical teachings and does not bend to current cultural ideas.
Agreed
Don't mean to have the "good riddance" attitude, but if people are leaving the Church because a faithful bishop is finally acting on abortion, those who are leaving were likely never of us to begin with.
Indeed, someone wanting to change doctrine imo is already in a state of grave sin, and I think they are doing both themselves and the Church a favor by leaving.
Absolutely agree with this. Pray for these people, but the church does not need to bend to modernists.
@@davidcole333 on a related note, what's your thoughts on people who leave the roman catholic church and instead join a different catholic church or the orthodox church.
@@sasi5841 all Catholics are Roman Catholics, hence the name “Catholic (universal) Church.” Irish Catholic Church just means the Catholic Church in Ireland, it isn’t a separate denomination.
The Orthodox Church is the most similar religion to Catholicism, but is still heretical because of its beliefs about Mary and the filioque.
The funny thing is... Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsom and Biden "stay" Catholics.
If I were to leave the Church it's probably because the Church is not the one Jesus founded when all of the (known) members and clergies were the same people who think like those prominent members. I'd leave that church but I'd stick with Jesus, even if His Church went underground again.
Well said Trent. On the right or left, when someone leaves the Catholic faith then they weren't properly catechised. Sean Hannity is a perfect example of a conservative not properly catechised.
I pray more people listen to Catholic Answers and other Catholic radio shows to become better catechised. They helped a lot.
Perhaps Hannity was not properly catechized, and remember he is also now with a non-Catholic Christian.
I think it is sad when Catholics are lost from the Church because a Protestant evangelized better to them. Catholics have got to get better at evangelizing their own- teaching the life changing power of a relationship with Jesus Christ.
So what is the official position of the Papacy on converting Eastern Orthodox - that it is a 'grave sin'? And what is the official position of the Papacy and a mission to the Jews? And what is the official position of the Papacy on mission to Protestants?
And why?
@@delvaassante5699 so what is the official position of the Papacy on mission to convert Eastern Orthodox? What is the official position of the Papacy on mission to convert Jews? What is the official position position of the Papacy on mission to convert Protestants?
Why would the first two be rejected while the third would be promoted?
You don’t leave Jesus because of Judas!!! But, God bless this Bishop for FINALLY standing up for the Church!!! Too many bishops have become worldly and politically motivated… just my humble opinion 😁
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Haha. Love this
This guy probably never even went to church or lived as a Catholic, but the newspaper needed a Catholic to be outraged for a hitpiece so he stepped up because he went to a catholic school as a kid.
I'm going through the same thing now Trent, very good devout Catholic family friends are discerning to convert to EO. They were TLM goers and said they are spiritually/physically/emotionally exhausted by Pope Francis and the attacks on TLM. They are going to an EO Western Rite church which is a latin form of pre-VII mass. Wife and I are praying for them.
Is it true that the position of the Papacy is that it is a "grave sin" to try to convert Eastern Orthodox and that there should be no specific mission to the Jews to convert them to believe in Jesus the only Savior, but that missions to convert Protestants are accepted?
@@truthisbeautiful7492 Knowingly and with full consent converting from Catholicism to any other form of christianity or another faith is a grave sin. The only place where Catholic clergy/religious are forbidden from. prosletysing jews is Israel. Benedict XVI wrote about this. Many prophecies in the bible predict the jews will come to Christ in their own time and we already have many who have voluntarily returned home. Catholic Church doesn't consider jews who become Catholics as "converts" they are returning to their rightful inheritance, they are part of the natural vine, gentiles have been grafted onto the natural vine by Christ. This is why Hebrew Catholics are allowed to celebrate jewish feasts which do not conflict with Catholicism eg Sukkhot, Hanukah etc - a Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist etc would not be allowed to practice rituals from their former faith.
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker why are they forbidden from mission to Jews in Israel and Eastern Orthodox but are allowed mission to Protestants?;
@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker what about in 2015 when the Vatican said they do not support or conduct a mission to Jews and have a principled rejection of institutional mission to Jews? It was widely reported as Vatican saying do not convert Jews, and Christians such as Jews for Jesus understand the statement that way. Why would it be that the Papacy says you cannot convert Eastern Orthodox and you can put convert Jews, but you can try to convert Protestants?
@@truthisbeautiful7492 Due to our history with the jews in that land.. Our institutions/hospitals/schools/churches in Israel are open to ALL without distinction but our clergy/religious are not allowed to prosletyse jews in Israel. If Israeli jews seek the Church voluntarily as 600+ have then that's okay. There are 6 Kehilla throughout Israel specifically for Hebrew-Catholics in Jerusalem, Tiberias, Haifa, Beersheba etc there you will find the walls are bare, they are uncomfortable with icons.
I left the church because of its teaching on... so why did it take 40 years to leave then? I watched a video on "Mythvision" where a scientist, who was catholic, no longer believed. Listening to his reasons, you quickly realize that he had no knowledge of what the church actually teaches about God. If Craig has attended church as long as he has, its sad that he never spent time researching his faith. Craig would realize that being compassionate and forgiving, usually and always does at every level, bear with it, the hopes of repentance and change.
That's the biggest sign that I think 1. He was never a Catholic to begin with or 2. He was an apostate well before he made this article and just made it public at the most spiteful time.
This person is lying; they are not leaving the church because of this Bishop; they are leaving because they don't believe in the Church's teachings. The goal of writing this garbage is to try to discourage other Catholics from holding each other accountable.
As an aside, I find it interesting how easily people will (supposedly) abandon their faith, and yet when it comes to almost anything else, such as brand loyalty or sports teams, they are doggedly faithful. I mean, Cleveland Browns fans still exist. Square THAT circle.
This is why, contrary to those who think that our duty is to retain every nominal Catholic at all costs, what we really need is to weed out the unbelievers by way of loyalty oaths (similar to our yearly rededication to our baptismal oaths, but much more specific as regards particularly pressing problems of our age, such as belief in the Real Presence, rejection of abortion, premarital/extramarital sex, etc.).
We must not be frightened of excommunicating those who do not believe and refuse to conform, both for the sake of the believing flock as well as the individual non-believer. We cannot make noises about how excommunication is a moral good for everyone involved and then refuse to employ it. But I think forcing people to declare publicly their true loyalties would be enough in most cases to bring them face to face with their responsibility to direct their life either one way or the other.
@@jimnewl They should start with the leadership....although I heard Michael Knowles say (quoting a priest I believe) that if they did not permit gay men to be priests there would be no priests. They are stuck.
@@HaleStorm49 That's just an excuse to keep the status quo of Western Catholic tradition. If there were truly a dearth of qualified men for the priesthood, the Church could easily remedy that by allowing more than 2 married priests per diocese. The problem already is that they are not ensuring the candidates for ordination are the moral exemplars they are supposed to be, as described in Sacred Scripture. If the Church is going to insist on forcing priests to take vows of celibacy and chastity, then the Church should defrock any priest who violates those vows even once, but they don't. Instead they seem to just give them a disciplinary wrap on the knuckles and move them somewhere else. Men struggling with mortal sin belong in the laity, not the priesthood.
@@nethrelm One of a myriad of reasons I'm a Latter Day Saints and not a Catholic. Catholics have been conditioned to accept moral standards for leaders that are far too low.
Instituting forced celibacy removed the priesthood from the home and the home from the priesthood. The results have been disastrous.
@@HaleStorm49 Just to be clear, my criticisms are only directed at certain aspects of Western Catholic tradition, not of the Catholic Church broadly or Sacred Tradition. You are, of course, free to believe what you like. Jesus will judge us all.
Thank you for this treatment, Trent. It needs to be said and said very clearly as you've done. Your mind is a Church treasure! 🙏
Why I left: the thing that first started pushing me away was the hypocrisy. It was during the civil rights movement in the 60s and I was surrounded by racists. I had one nun teacher who was active in the civil rights movement and she was horribly criticized and shunned by the rest of the nuns, priests, teachers, parents. She eventually not only left her order but the church completely.
Following that: sexism. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when I went to a Mass con celebrated by 70 priests. I looked out at the congregation and it was mostly women, a large percentage of them nuns. I thought, what’s wrong with this picture? When I was a child I used to say Mass in the driveway. My sister and my girl friend were the “altar boys.” This was long before girls were allowed to do that. I had Latin Mass memorized. I was eight years old. In later years, I saw how ridiculous the Church’s discrimination against women was. Thanks but no thanks.
The Church’s ridiculous teaching against birth control. Ridiculous.
Over time, the realization that most of the beliefs are unsupportable. Virgin birth? Seriously? Let’s get real. People getting raised from the dead? No.
We don’t owe anyone a reason why we are leaving the Church. We’re not married to you. Whatever reasons we give won’’t satisfy you. All these nonsense arguments that we were never really devout, never really catechized, are not only false but they are insulting. I have read theologians and writers from St. Augustine to Teresa of Avila to Thomas Merton to the Berrigan brothers and more. I was heavily involved in church from a young age, sang in the youth choir at Mass, played music for Mass during high school, read about the Lives of the Saints, loved religion class.
In the end, it’s just a human institution, it has no direct line of communication to God, and I came to the realization that there is no evidence for God or an afterlife.
My atheist friends are kinder and more compassionate than most church folks. My nephew is a Catholic priest who is judgmental and mean spirited, condescending towards family members (not just me) that he thinks aren’t good enough. He’s the kind of person who would go to Washington, D.C., for the March for Life but not do one single thing for his cousin who had an untimely pregnancy and chose to keep the baby. He’s the kind of priest who will preach sermons about the Holy Family and forgiveness yet refuses to have anything to do with family members who have never done him any harm because his mother holds grudges for reasons that no one is even sure about.
You want to know why people leave the Church? Because after an absence of 10 years, going to confession and confessing to the priest that we struggle with hopelessness, the priest is more concerned about whether we’ve been attending Mass regularly. This is not surprising. The Church still isn’t fully dealing with the harm it has done with child abuse. The Inquisition, the Borgia Popes, the Church has been full of scandal and abuse of power.
There are good reasons why the Church is losing people in droves. You have a choice. You can listen to why people say they are leaving - really listen. Or you can be part of the problem and dismiss their reasons as not being good enough. We don’t need to justify ourselves to you.
Hormonal Birth control is bad for your health, the virgin birth was predicted from before Jesus came . There are many Catholics who are not living up to the church's standards the church is going through a crisis, look up sspx crisis in the church. If you go to a traditional Catholic order you would see more adherence to catholicism. God bless you
"Fertilized embryo" is not a contradiction of terms. It is just extremely redundant.
Would you ever call yourself a "fertilized human?" No, because there's no need to qualify humanity with being fertilized or unfertilized, since there's no such thing as an unfertilized human.
You could say it's redundant, but I say it's misleading, as it implies the potential existence of an unfertilized embryo, which is impossible.
One might say extremely over abundantly repetitively redundant
To be honest, as someone young, and for someone who tries their best to defend the faith, I have discovered that most people who leave the church never really understood the faith to begin with. It's crazy because I just recently spoke to someone (who claimed to be a former catholic) who claims their former faith practices witchcraft. Multiple of times did i (hate to use the word prove) prove that what she thought catholics believe or are is wrong, hence meaning she never understood the faith to begin with. It is tempting to think (just as Trent states towards to start of the video), "dont let the door hit you when leaving". Or "good. we dont need weak Catholics like you anyways". It is hypocritical to boast that we are the largest church when 75 percent of us dont believe in the real presence. Or half of us dont even attend weekly mass.
I take this time to invite us all to humble ourselves and realize that we aren't as perfect as a church as we hope or think we are. Thats why i invite all of us to offer on the altar for the knowledge to be given to more catholics. To grow in our faith and understanding of the truth we have.
As someone who became catholic 2 years ago, it saddens me when I was told in RCIA that 75 percent of us will become lazy and give up. That is why I thank God everyday that I was the 25 percent who dug deeper. Someone who wanted to learn more and defend his love. His church. That is afterall why most of us are here watching this vid. So offer a mass for the 75 percent.
Loved this!
I would never leave the Sacraments. Ever.
I started my conversion in 2017. There have been a lot of teachings I don't understand and have questions about, and even some that I've had disagreements on. That said, I value my eternal life over my opinions. I'm proud to be Catholic and proud to live for Christ. I don't understand everything and I don't have an answer for everything, but I'm proud to be on this path with so many others.
"Lord, to whom shall we go?"
He'll come running back when the 'confusion' is over.
I doubt it. He's a leftist through and through, so he conforms to whetever gets him personal status regardless of its harm to wider society. The main reason people like Ivereigh or Martin stay is because they're so entrenched in their grift. They don't want to leave and have to start from zero
It may be that he does, and let's pray for it, but the more pressing concern is for those he might mislead by the amplifying influence of his platform. This is scandal when such a proclamation is issued so publicly, and I shudder to think of the weight of the coming millstone wrapping itself around his neck
He won’t come back until abortion isn’t his most important sacrament any more. He is putting the right to kill babies above receiving the body and blood of Christ. I know someone who has done the same. Liberal brainwashing.
Most of us do including me
@Lois there is none lost that can not be found. We are not defined by the pleasures the world offers us but by the crosses we carry. The devil tempts a hungry man, but grace is sufficient to rise above the flesh. Then you know it is to greatness that you've been truly called.
I’m on the “conservative” side and I am seriously considering leaving the church because the priests and bishops and pope REFUSE to stand up for what the church supposedly believes in.
Can you please explain to me how the official teaching of the church can be “X” and yet everyone in the church, from the pope and the bishops all the way down to the parish priest and the average parishioner will say and do “Y”? If your faith in not made manifest in word and deed, then can we say it is even faith at all? I go to the catechism to learn about church teaching and am shocked that it bears no resemblance to what I observed in church or among fellow Catholics. Please help me understand.
Go to the sspx near you. The church is infected with modernism which is why many Catholics deny basic doctrines
I’m looking into it too .
I'm happy to say that my late uncle, a diocesan priest and pastor in the DC area, refused Communion to several "pro-choice Catholic" politicians, and paid a price for it.
God bless you bro Trent horn, can I have a book from you,, watching here in the Philippines 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏I'm hoping you would read my message
Excellent!
The way this guy is writing about the issue "something so precious" I have to believe he just researched it for writing and doesn't believe. You don't leave a church if you truly believe they have the Body and Blood of Christ.
Can you tell the difference of a host consecrated and one that’s not
@@Wgaither1 That's a matter of faith my friend. I cannot perceive the difference, and no one seriously claims they can except through a special grace from God.
"Word-made-Flesh, the bread of nature by His word to Flesh He turns;
wine into His Blood He changes;-
what though sense no change discerns? Only be the heart in earnest, faith her lesson quickly learns." - St. Thomas Aquinas
@@Wgaither1 Think of it this way. God loves us infinitely beyond all measure. He wants us, his creation, to love him in return. But you can only truly love someome if you have a free choice. If God came down in all His glory and revealed Himself to us, yes, we would all believe, but we wouldn't be free to love Him in His splendor. We would, in effect, be slaves, not loving sons and daughters of God.
God has given each of us sufficient grace and opportunity to know Him, love Him, and come to His Catholic Church. He has given us his saints and countless miracles that have been documented even to the present day (The Miracle of The Sun at Fatima, Eucharistic Miracles, etc.). Unless you're living on North Sentinel Island (and therefore invincibly ignorant as a theologian would say), God has given us more than enough to come to Him.
"For those with faith, no evidence is necessary; for those without it, no evidence will suffice" - St. Thomas Aquinas
Are confessionals really private after all.
I would like to share a story regarding a confession.
The priest was in a rush to get ready for confession. Although during my confession with the priest, I noticed a wire coming from under his Priest Vestment…
Therefore I am beginning to think that our confessions are not necessarily entirely private. This is only one incident that I have had that makes me question whether confessions are actually private. I have had other indications including one in central New Jersey…
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🎵 Trent discusses an article about leaving Catholicism due to a controversial reason.
00:44 👥 Empathy is important when understanding reasons for leaving the Catholic faith.
01:53 😤 Dismissing someone leaving the Church lacks compassion.
03:16 📚 Spiritual growth is ongoing; even Saints acknowledge their need for mercy.
04:38 💔 Article criticizes a bishop's decision to prohibit communion for Pelosi over abortion stance.
08:08 📜 Misinterpretation of religious freedom in relation to abortion and beliefs.
09:58 🛑 Leaving the Church over disagreements with individual bishops lacks perspective.
12:00 🌍 Catholicism shouldn't be defined solely by specific bishops' actions.
14:04 🤝 Engaging with church teachings, not individual decisions, is crucial.
17:15 🙏 Don't sever from the church over minor reasons; maintain perspective and spiritual connection.
I was not raised Catholic (or religious at all) and recently came to the church last year at age 23. The parish I attend is packed every week 🙏🏼 I am hopeful for the growth in orthodoxy and decline in “woke” Catholics. Thank you Trent for your videos and Catholic Answers, whenever I have doubts or any confusion you always clear things up without fail! God bless you please never stop making videos 🫶🏼
What to think about papal texts in the style of "because of this when she joins (Mary) to the throne of her divine son, begs like an advocate, prays as a servant, but orders as a mother" (Pius VII, "Tanto Studio") or about these Prayers and songs in which he is called Mary "the only hope of a sinful man"? Is talking about "commanding her divine son" and as "the only hope of a sinful man" not simply blasphemy and idolatry?
I am not asking now about the mere sense of asking Mary for prayer intercession or for her certain privileges, but I mean this particular formulas related to the Mother of God, which sound as if Mary was to be carried out above the Lord Jesus.
When your mom tells you to do something do you obey her?
@Vader Kurt Exactly
The Bishop was correct. Good video Trent.
No worries, Pope Francis went ahead and gave her the Eucharist in Rome
@@christophekeating21 did she reconcile?
@@christophekeating21 also did the Pope administer the Eucharist directly to Pelosi?
@@user-uc1yb7hy2n not directly, no. It was on Wednesday the 29th of June 2022 in the Vatican, if you want to find the news on it.
@@christophekeating21 thank you. One more question. Was the priest that did administer the Eucharist personally aware of Pelosis’ stance and standing, politically and reconciliation wise?
1:17 What happens when someone wants to uphold traditional teaching which in _your_ Communion is changed?
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Not in communion with the late Pope Michael, but he appreciated him.
Hey Trent it would be nice if you could review the interview with the abortion activist that Michael knowles did last year
I'll look into it!
@@TheCounselofTrent please review it
Trent, this comment is unrelated to this video. For that, I do apologize, however I know you are excellent with rebuttals.
I have been looking into church history for the last couple of years, which has caused me to really look into the Catholic faith.
There was a video by an Evangelical named Amir Tsarfal called the Rise of One World Religion where he believed the Catholic faith would lead into this. There were some disturbing comments he mentioned from Pope Francis as well as Vatican 2. I know you are extremely busy, however if the Catholic faith is truly the one faith, this video and others could be very misleading for Catholics, and cause non Catholics to completely reject the Catholic faith.
This one would be a great video to use as a rebuttal. Just a thought. 😊
The question is how can I stay in a Church that intentionally (it seems) misleads or confuses people, and even from the top? (In regard to the Church's perennial teaching). How can I believe when teachings are changed with the excuse of a deepening understanding of the faith?
What teachings have been changed?
He left because he is not Catholic- obviously. Nothing to do with the actions of a bishop. In this case we absolutely need these people out of the church. Today. Most in the pews don’t believe in the Eucharist, are pro choice. Etc.
We need our church back
I think you need to take AI translations with a grain of salt. For my part I have never sought anything but communion with Peter since my reversion and conversion. You do great work Mr. Horn. I'm a big fan of you and the hilarious Mrs.
That person is pro-abortion, pro-secular other things, and the Church teachings don't cave to his desires, so he is leaving but want some publicity on his new Non-Catholic status, maybe for his carriere or something. May God touch his heart.
Yep...a lot of leftist buzzwords in there....accusing cops and whites of racism etc. Nothing new. The writer has no clue. I'd rather have them out of the Church than staying in and bringing in dangerous propaganda, so the Church becomes left like many protestant Churches have suffered from
Perfectly well reasoned. Good Trent.
You're right about Cordileone and Strickland being episcopal outliers. Now it's down to Cordileone, so he's like Fisher when Henry VIIII formally separated the English Church from the Pope. Actually, there's lot of distressing irony in that metaphor...
Would complete disagreement with NFP be a significant reason to leave the Catholic faith? Any answers are welcome. Also Trent, a video on the subject would be much appreciated.
You can still be chaste and not “agree” with NFP. Unless you’re talking about rejecting the church’s teachings on [the ends of] sex and sexuality?
tank you mister trent, for gracing us with such deligtful contenti, your the smartest eastern orthodoz her eon youtube, leaving catholicism is always a bad choice given the art, poeps, priest, philosofi, catedrals, that exist in protestantism
I am an interdenominational/non-denominational Christian, and I can tel the writer of that article: there is no church that would let Nancy Pelosi partake of communion for the same reasons.
This is the very good Toppers. I was tap times when I was 22. When I was back at Catholic Church, I was really impressed when I went to a wedding of my classmate in high school. No open the years I drink fifty to the way cause I gotta involved in Street drugs Only wanted to try at once that I got hooked then I asked jesus Chris I need help get north drugs I feel the holy spirit fill me And I quit drugs cold turkey. Can I get married to a Catholic woman woman What's on american . We had a wedding in the Catholic church after we got married at the Civil wedding . We got married in the Catholic Church 2006 . Have for being married 8 or 9 years old. I left the church because I thought you turned on security on my salvation. What's the wind to go Cause I was brought up in the Baptist church. . God, go to the home screen. I started listening to Mr. Mike Thanks for he was saying I found out the Baptist church was lying to me . Because the pastor at the bench church started saying we worship mary and I found out that it's not true, we honor mary . Master of the p Said We've worshipped the idols. Do you not worship idols? This is honor To the saints. The same question to the pastor that was saying it was a stuff Do you have your family pictures on your walls? Do you worship them? Of course not. He also said mary is part of the Trinity, and that's not even true. If she was, she would have turned water into wine. And I thought taking the holy communion A symbol, and that's not even true . They explained to me it's actual jesus christ Body and blood, not a symbol. Before, I did not know what I believed was a Catholic . Online I took the Rica By one of the priest Recently I have learned so much because I didn't know the stuff before . So i've been back to the church. I did all my confessions. Take holy communion .going to mass every Sunday. I'm going to mass on holy days .me and my wife are still married . I am so grateful get a meeting back to the church All this could have been avoided If I known known what I believe yes I took the classes But I didn't you know . And I love the church with all my heart. Well also love version mary.
Imagine being so prideful and entitled that you say something like "I'm being denied the right to unite with Christ". This isn't your right. You're not entitled to this. The Creator of the universe humbles Himself constantly to even give you the chance of having the privilege of uniting with Him. None of us have any "right" to anything from God. Everything given to us is by grace and mercy. This "I have a right" nonsense is literally satanic, it's the pride of sin. You don't have the right to the sacraments or anything from God, you are given the privilege and are called to be eternally grateful and humbled by that. That statement is very telling, it's more of a confession than an indictment on the church.
So well said
The Vatican 2 documents explained :
Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only:
1) Indifferentism
2) Syncretism and Synthesis
3) Immanent
4) Transcendentalism
5) Individualism
6) Existentialism, naturalism
7) Stoicism
8) Pantheism
9) Evolution
10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic…
If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical
“ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life.
As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!!
Then what are we to do you ask ?
If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!!
What do we do then ? what did she say to
do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!!
What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!!
But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!!
P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them.
God Love You
Joseph
The Vatican 2 documents explained :
Without understanding the following you will never be able to understand the documents. I will list here, what the documents consist of, by name and by title. But you will never find the list of these names inside the documents this is deliberate. For the purpose of concealment. But what you will find in every paragraph of every page the “definition” of the terms listed. Therefore the Vatican two documents consist of “definition” only:
1) Indifferentism
2) Syncretism and Synthesis
3) Immanent
4) Transcendentalism
5) Individualism
6) Existentialism, naturalism
7) Stoicism
8) Pantheism
9) Evolution
10) The Sciences such as historian sociology psychology critic…
If you look up Saint Pope Pius 10 Encyclical
“ Pascendi Dominici Gregis” you will find he new about Vatican 2 and wrote a detailed comprehensive explanation of Vatican 2, listing in detail more than half of the items above listed, and he even explains, in example, how it is meant to diminish Jesus Christ and the one true church and desecrate all seven sacraments and to leave the door open for more of modernism and Progressive changes in the future. He is not alone !!! Pius 10 on the Errors of Modernism, Pius 9 his Syllabus of Errors and Pope Gregory 16 in his Encyclical “Mirari Vos” see #19 on the waldensians,the Beghards,the Wycliffites, and all the popes condemned the documents of Vatican 2 and the Synod of Pistoia and warned the faithful with excommunication, anathema if you don't reject the Vatican two documents, and church, and embrace the one true traditional Catholic Church, the depository of faith, before the end of your life.
As you examine these terms and then read the Vatican two documents you can clearly see the “definition” of all the above listed terms, but not the terms themselves, and the evil,and that it is no longer Catholic but a new religion that will lead you straight to hell !!!
Then what are we to do you ask ?
If you are a true Traditional Catholic then you are supposed to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do in these evil times, that she described at Fatima, in the third Secret. Not the fake phony Third Secret that John Paul II falsified and Rewritten, along with the fake Lucia !!! But the real true Third Secret of Fatima. You are also to do what the Blessed Virgin Mary told us to do at La Salette, France and again at Our Lady of Good Success, who described in great detail what is to happen to the Catholic church at the end of the 20th century and she was 100% right !!!
What do we do then ? what did she say to
do ? She said to say the Traditional Rosary, not the rosary of John Paul II, the Traditional Rosary 15 decades everyday or 5 decades on Monday, 5 decades on Tuesday, and 5 decades, on Wednesday. Since the Mass is the greatest prayer of all !!! you get the Saint Andrews missile (and no other missile) but the St Andrews missile, and you say Mass every Sunday (you're not able to consecrate) but you can still say the prayers of the Mass !!! From only the Saint Andrew's missile. You can say the rosary, the Seven Sorrows of Mary, the Stations of the Cross, all at home. Have nothing to do with today's fake Catholic Church!!! NOTHING !!! It will be a mortal sin and send you straight to hell. You say your prayers at home, you stay at home, and you say your prayers at home, the Traditional prayers of the church and you say them every day. You read the Bible the Catholic Bibleand no other since all other Bibles have been Rewritten with attacks againt Mary !!! and study the lives of the Saints of the church, and stay away from newly written or revised books on the market today !!! Don't buy any books on the market after 1960 !!!!
What about confession and all that ? You confess your sins to God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost using the prayers in the St Andrews missile, in the confessional which is in the back of the book, or you say one of the seven penitential Psalms along with the act of contrition. That's your confession, at home where you are safe both in body and soul !! For baptism you do the same at home with the proper, Matter, Form and Intent !!!
But whatever you do have nothing to do with the Vatican 2 Church even if it's empty do not go in it !!!
P.S.- the Most Holy Family Monastery is a good resource me and my colleagues have kept a close eye on them for over 20 years I highly recommend them.
God Love You
Joseph
No body ever says "do no violence against animals and humans"by keeping animals first we become the first and hence the principle of selflesdnesd so to say by selflessnesd is the self realized which is the truth of all truths...
What do you say to people who leave the Catholic faith to be Protestant through their understanding of biblical teachings? Do you think those are bad reasons as well?
Because I’d say we’d all agree that this is a bad reason all around but what about a topic that isn’t as obvious such as this?
I think the question for that person would be, "What is more important to you than a Sacramental life with God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all the Angels and Saints, and the Elect here on Earth?"
@@enshala6401 well a counter question to that could be: what’s the difference about being Protestant that makes that any less possible than Catholicism?
@RegntheGovernor because Martin Luther tossed out 5 of the 7 Sacraments of traditional Christianity.
@@enshala6401 that doesn’t really answer the question since that implies that the sacraments are biblical which Protestants and Catholics disagree on. I don’t know what would make a compelling case since I don’t know all the sacraments, but to create a response to a question that can only be useful if your premise is true wouldnt really make helpful dialogue
@RegntheGovernor well, you asked what the difference is between being Protestant and being Catholic (or Orthodox, presumably), and I answered the question from the point of view of a traditional (i.e. non-Protestant) Christian.
Traditional Christians (i.e., Catholic and Orthodox) live a Sacramental life. For example, we consider Marriage as Sacramental in accordance with Jesus' instructions. Jesus says: “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.” (Mt: 19:4-6). Protestants do not acknowledge marriage as a Sacrament.
As another example, Martin Luther removed the Real Presence (Body and Blood) from the Sacrament of Communion, in spite of Christ's instructions in John 6:
53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day."
I could go on if you like... I spent 30 years as a Protestant, trying to live as devoutly as I could, but it is an incredibly shallow existence compared to living a Sacramental life. Nothing we do compares to the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Please don't turn them down because of fear, pride, propaganda, or anything else the Prince of Lies throws your way.
Unfortunately, the writer is rebellious and disobedient. If a bishop denies me the Holy Eucharist, I'd better be obedient and examine my conscience, rather than accusing a bishop for "weaponizing" the Eucharist (which, it is blasphemous to describe Christ's body in this way)
Yeah, Trent but you know why the dude wrote the article. Virtue signaling.
He has given much more importance to the unborn than the millions of abused children. I have seen this time and again Thank you for making my decision to leave the Catholic Church easy.
➨ PROTESTANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN: ● Billy Graham's grandson is an attorny who is investigating sexual abuse of children in evangelical churches and HE said the problem is WORSE in evangelical churches. Here are some statistics: ● ★ 7 thousand catholic priests were accusing of sexual abuse of children in the past 10 years. ● ★ TEN THOUSAND PROTESTANT MINISTERS were accused of sexually abusing children in the past ten years. ● ★ 200 thousand Public school teachers who were accused of sexually abusing children in the past 2 years.
As a formerly angry ex-Catholic now reverted, you're spot on that this is a terrible reason to cease to be Catholic. The journalist's so called "reason" to leave the Church is nothing more than an excuse. And what's worse, it's an excuse wrapped up in the fluffy blanket of "I'm a good follower of Jesus and that's why I'm leaving".
By Lazaretti's logic, the scandal of the sexual abuse of minors by priests should have made me question my faith. As much as it pained and embarrassed me to admit that this happened, it didn't occur to me to leave the church.
Do people not remember when they were children and they were much more selfish and had similar blanket attitudes to what they now have toward the Church a propos clerical abuse? It's like how a child's level of neuroticism is more predictive of long term happiness than the objective conditions they are in. You can always say these incidents, even with the structural problems, are only from certain priests, but if you're neurotic with an axe to grind from your godless religion, you will erroneously see that as a reason to hate the Church rather than desire to reform it. Now it is obvious hypocrisy because they will gladly ignore the fact that abuse is more common from teachers or that left wing attitudes actually can cause such abuse and even crime more generally
It's very hard. I came in close contact with a famous child abusing priest. He was silky, smooth and entitled. He came after my very young, male assistant and utterly traumatized him. It's one thing for a priest to fail their vows and confess their sin. It's a whole other thing when a priest co-established a club whose motto is "before eight or it's too late". The Church has yet to admit to the enormity of the debauchery within the Vatican much less set about removing it.
➨ PROTESTANT SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN: ● Billy Graham's grandson is an attorny who is investigating sexual abuse of children in evangelical churches and HE said the problem is WORSE in evangelical churches. Here are some statistics: ● ★ 7 thousand catholic priests were accusing of sexual abuse of children in the past 10 years. ● ★ TEN THOUSAND PROTESTANT MINISTERS were accused of sexually abusing children in the past ten years. ● ★ 200 thousand Public school teachers who were accused of sexually abusing children in the past 2 years.
And what's the best reason?
Threats of death to a family member. Short of that, nothing, unless someone wants to join the Protestants in their shallowness and/or misery, depending on the denomination/sect/cult/going solo/etc.
@enshala6401 Jesus said, "If you don't believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." I tell you the same.
@@brutus896 let me guess, you don't go to Church on Sundays, do you... I don't take instruction from someone who doesn't take instruction himself. You are just a cult unto yourself.
I honestly thought this would be about people leaving the church because of something pope Francis did that they don’t agree with. I refuse to listen to people who criticize clergy, I have my own sins to look after than to think about judging someone in the clergy.
Jesus said the gates of hell would never prevail against his church. He built the church with a minimum of 12 apostles and could see until the end of time …. I’m going to believe Jesus.
Meanwhile tens of thousands of Israelites turned from God during the exodus thinking they had it better as slaves and disagreeing with Moses. History repeats itself with people losing faith because things didn’t go their way instead of His way.
Sin darkens the intellect. I know this well, and am rescued from sin only by the light of God.
Oh my Jesus, save me from the fires of Hell, and lead all souls to heaven. Especially those in most need of thy mercy. Christ, have mercy on us. Mary, pray for us. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ and sing thy praises forever with thy saints. Amen.
Ephesians 4:18-19 DRB
"Having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their hearts. Who despairing, have given themselves up to lasciviousness, unto the working of all uncleanness, unto covetousness."
If the mystical body is full of rot, it means all faithful Catholics must be willing to suffer more in order to make up for what was lacking in the sufferings of Christ for the sake of the church. As St. John Vianney wrote, "It is only by sacrificing and suffering, offered as penance, that you will be able, by the grace of God, to convert sinners."
We can either suffer now to diminish or avoid the coming chastisements or as in the days of Noah, we can embrace the evil agenda of this present world and await the cleansing by fire. Either way, prepare the way of the Lord.
It calls to question what bible he was reading when he says Christ's message was one of tolerance. He loved, sure, but He sure as heck didn't tolerate sin. He called the Pharisees white washed tombs and hypocrites. He flipped tables in the temple calling it a den of thieves. He didn't condone the women caught in adultery but called her to something higher and says go and sin no more. Christ was never tolerant of these sins but called them out for it and challenges us to be better out of love and wanting us to grow and live life to the fullest. I don't know if banning Nancy Pelosi was the best choice or not but the good Archbishop was definitely correct to call Nancy out on her actions.
I don’t think we should say don’t let the door hit you on the way out BUT…
i do think three comes a time when someone who does not agree with irreformable teaching should probably leave. At least if they are at the point of constantly agitating for a change in said irreformable teaching and harming the faith of others. No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to be Catholic. If it truly violates your conscience (but was your conscience well formed ?) then why would you want to stay ? Your true home is likely the Episcopal Church.
I don’t understand Excommunication. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick wasn’t excommunicated, but why not? It’s as if his sin wasn’t bad enough. WTF?
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@ my age, I have met many true faithful Christians of all churches of Yashua.
Let’s not wage the finger at those of truly trust Christ.
awsome
I think Trent, it's important to consider individuals who are non-Christian may be watching, I think it could be good just to be a little gentler towards them personally.
or how about Trent Horn meets his burden of proof by proving the existence of his diety as NO ONE has proven the existence of a Catholic God, therefore it is unreasonable to believe in said God.
I can completely understand, with a greal deal of sadness of course, why a Catholic might leave the Faith for intellectual reasons. For example, he or she might stop believing in God because he or she is no longer convinced by arguments for God's existence, or no longer accepts teachings like the virgin birth or original sin. But the ''argument'' this man has proposed has no logical merit. It is based on raw emotion. It is filled with non sequiturs. He says that he will leave the Church because of the Archbishop's stance on abortion. How does this argument follow? He would need to include other premises for the argument to follow; namely, that the Archbishop is somehow a mouthpiece for all bishops, and the entire Church hierarchy, none of which, In my view, are at all true or even remotely plausible. So, here we have another Catholic leaving the Faith for no real reason at all. It seems blatantly obvious to me that the Church in the West has catechized Catholics so poorly that they might think in the way this man has thought about the Faith. If I am right, the Church there is lost, and I mean really lost.
@John Bostock I agree with you sir. I could give a long dissertation on this topic, but I think you make a very good assessment.
I left ROMAN CATHOLICS but not Catholic church as there is BIG DIFF between the two!!!
All are under the bishop of Rome!
@@SamScott99 Roman Catholis is under Bishop of Rome, not Cathic church in normal term as Catholic means UNIVERSAL...
@@Fuk_Xin negative chief. Only the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church. The church Christ established
Trent, is it the position of the Papacy that trying to convert Orthodox is a 'grave sin' and that there should be No mission to the Jews, but that your mission to try to convert Protestants is legitimate? On what basis is mission to rabbinic Jews rejected and the Eastern Orthodox rejected, but Protestants accepted?
I'm happy that particular guy left the Church. From what I see in that article, he seems to have been forcing Christ to enter in him whenever he was in mortal sin.
It's better that he does not follow Christ's One True Church than getting the communion in state of mortal sin.
So he's better off now.
Best Reason, save your young boys.🙏🙏🙏
As Catholics we have to remember that even in the most intimate circle of Jesus Christ, came Judas who sold him to his persecutors in exchange of silver. What did Jesus even do to merit this? So, our fealty should always be to the Church and not to the erring men that surround it. Although they have done un-Christly things, these still doesn’t disprove that this is the one true church that Jesus gave to the world.
The author's motivation is obvious. Anyone who claims to be unable to see it is simply lying.
Not a Catholic, but as a former atheist and leftist I can say you are dead on. He was either never a Catholic to begin with *or* his mind was made up well in advance and he wanted to make his apostasy public well *after* the fact like most spiteful cowards do.
AMAN
Do these people not understand the Immaculate Conception?
Message of love and tolerance? Was he ever?
The "tolerance" part just floored me. The author gives the long resume of his Catholic-ness, then he clearly doesn't understand Jesus was not a tolerant leftist. Just makes me shake my head in disgust.
+ O throne of Grace, HOLY MARY, VIRGIN QUEEN MOTHER of GOD, conceived without sin, assumed into heaven, TRIUMPH and REIGN in every heart and home. Amen +
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Religion is such a touchy subject, most people either stay what they were raised because of tradition or leave because of bad experiences in their youth. Wherever they end up they will rationalize why they are where they are. I know what I believe but suggest to you follow what you think is the best, nobody can make that choice for you. I don’t want to offend but I know that I can never be Catholic.
No cath theologian or apologist was willing to answer this question.
Yes paul warned against receiving the eucharist in sin n the rcc has numerous pedophile n sodomite priests n even cardinals who are in this habitual sin. Why are they allowed to partake of the eucharist, the real presence, while they live in sin.
If u say tht the hierarchy cannot identify such clergy, then when some of these hv been exposed, they are just transferrec out to another parish. Does the bishop doing the transfer advise these pedophiles not to partake of the real presence? I dont think so. Its all a game in the rcc. But the laity are not allowed to partake. This is more than a sacriledge. Amazing insanity
Do Catholics believe that Jesus is the only way to be reconciled with the Father?
8:18 timestamp for me
I am Reformed (not Roman Catholic) but I agree that this is a bad reason to leave. If it was over what the Pope had said (even if it wasn't the Pope speaking "infallibly") then that would be more understandable. Excommunication is shown in the bible and probably not practiced well by any denomination. It should be done in the best interest of the person being Excommunicated to show the severity of their sin and bring them back to repentance.
So the person talks about the preciousness of the Holy Eucharist but has chosen to walk away. Yeah....
1:13 No, The Church does not uphold traditional teaching.
What message of tolerance? Did the Lord not say "Repent"? I'm sick and tired of people preaching what they think Christ's teaching is, without reading the Gospels, or just even one of the four! Never confuse mercy with tolerance.
"not everyone who says to me lord lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but only those who do the will of my father in heaven" its very bloody simple. Tolerance of your past once you renounce it and forgiveness when you ask him for it from then on. You are not a faithful Catholic if you live contrary to Catholic teaching. End of. Your conscience is not the will of God. Neither is mine. It was conscience, distorted by culture, that allowed every human atrocity throughout history, it was malformation of conscience that allowed the evil of abortion to begin with. The will of God was given to the apostles, preserved through the generations by the scriptures and the writings of the saints and is considered by qualified leaders in the magisterium.
It's better not to do that not to cut nancy off from the sacrament. It's better Just to make sure you vote for the right person not to do those type of things.
It seems that she must not have repented this sin and the Bishop stated that he spent several years counseling her about this before finally denying her communion. Since she so publicly supported abortion it created a scandal to other practicing Catholics that she was allowed communion while in a state of mortal sin. The Bishop did the right thing and probably should have done it sooner.
The best way to be progressive is to progress into orthodoxy without becoming a reactionary. The only thing to leave in this life is sin, leaving it in confession, including any fifth gospel according to selfishness.
Not really an issue of someone honestly looking in the mirror and coming to accept they can't believe in some point of theology. This is just someone who doesn't like that the church does not agree with their social / political views.