Refuting 5 Anti-Catholic Historical Myths
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this episode Trent takes on wild anti-Catholic historical myths related to the Olympics, Columbus, and even an allegedly satanic telescope.
00:00 - Introduction
01:18 - Myth #1 - "The Church banned the Olympics”
05:05 - Myth #2 - "Medieval monks were ignorant about babies”
07:38 - Myth #3 - "The Church castrated choir boys”
10:55 - Myth #4 - "The Church taught the earth was flat”
15:08 - Myth #5 - "The Vatican owns a 'Lucifer' Telescope” - บันเทิง
We need a video on Galileo!
Cosmicskeptic already published a video on it where he refutes the myth.
@@caesarius2004 I love you’re surname you related to the original Caesar?
@@isobelle.London Thanks. Sadly, no. I just picked it as an artist name because I was called Caesar at school😅
That myth about monks not knowing what babies looked like cracked me up!
The Galileo myth has to be one of the worst anti catholic pseudo history meme ever...
I had a German course at uni in the UK where we had to read "Life of Galileo" by Bertolt Brecht which is full of those untrue claims. It also portrays every Catholic priest as an anti-scientific idiot. It was basically anti-Catholic propaganda.
Pray for Yajun Yuan on his conversion to Catholicism
Indeed. Plus Giordano Bruno, the Crusades and the Inquisition, those are also depicted with the Catholics as the comically evil guys.
@@boidoh big time, after what he did, I thought he was just a troll but this is someone in need.
@@user-et8vm9cc3t I have a Catholic Controversies playlist that addresses>> Reformation or Revolt, The Crusades, The Inquisitions, Middle Ages, Catholic Church ban Bible, Hitlers Pope
How about the myth that Jimmy Akin is an alien who downloaded all Earth knowledge to his head?
Come one, that's just silly.
He's clearly a Time Lord!
That's more of a Legend.
I thought he was a cyborg from the future?
Akin is actually a plant from the shadowy Castrati secret society and controlled remotely from a bunker under a Whole Foods in Bushwick.
He is also a hologram. 😶
08:57 "coltello", not "colletto": the former is the knife, the latter is the collar of the shirt. Sorry, I am Italian and I just wanted to correct that mispronunciation.
11:20 funny also how Cristoforo Colombo wanted to get to India mostly for the purpose to gather enough money for another Holy War to free Jerusalem...and how the famous case with Galileo was due to the Pope and the scientists at the Specola Romana, the Vatican observatory, demanding better proof from Galieli and the guy simply insulting the Pontifex (with whom, until then, he was friend with, and his punishment was a short period of house arrest in his villa called "il gioiello" [the jewel], and say penitential prayers thrice per day).
I see the visual balance. I think a traditional, Roman-style, crucifix can be hung on the wall in the empty space between the lamp and the adjacent wall above Trent's head slightly to his right. The crucifix can pick up just enough light from the lamp to be noticed and can be smaller than the icon; that is, 2/3 to one-third the size of the icon on the adjacent wall.
The Catholic answers company he works for is not an icon production, it's a crucifix production. That is to say, Catholic Answers is the Latin church and of the West.
Trent is a Byzantine *Catholic* after all.
What is this a response to? Did someone say catholic answers was an icon producer? I didn’t know they produced icons or crucifixes
How about addressing the background to the Fourth Crusade (1202-04)? The myth is that the Latin crusaders sacked Constantinople as a mere act of greed and violence. There's nothing that can justify what happened to the Christians of Constantinople. But the Massacre of the Latins (1182) was the historical background to the Fourth Crusade. In spite of some bizarre Orthodox conspiracies trying to justify the murder, rape, and selling into slavery of Catholics in Constantinople by the Greeks and the humiliation and murder of the pope's envoy, the violence suffered by western Christians and the desecration of their churches were still very much in the historical memory of Latin crusaders when they breached the walls of the Byzantine capital in 1182. So there's in a way a myth about the Fourth Crusade that should be addressed.
Wasn’t the 4th Crusade the one that wasn’t sanctioned/authorized by the Pope? If I’m remembering correctly, someone led a group out for material gain but didn’t have the money upfront for some of the cost so the payment would then come from whatever the crusaders looted.
However, once they received confirmation they WOULDN’T be rewarded upon returning, they went rouge and that’s when they started sacking the place.
Personally, history and the Church has addressed this multiple times and even issued apologies and an openness to make things right. However, it seems bad actors DON’T want things mended and would rather use the sacking as their basis for rejecting Rome. Not saying it wasn’t bad, but there’s been a lot of time and events since sacking Constantinople that honestly, the hatchet is long rusted and needs to be buried.
@@jendoe9436 Yes. I was Orthodox for a time and they did use the 4th Crusade as an excuse for their schism.
Are there reputable sources about all that? I wanna try to learn more so I can understand as I'm an inquirer considering either Orthodoxy or Catholicism.
I saw that exact Columbus cartoon as a kid in the 2000s. I had a couple DVDs of those things haha
Trent, would you mind refuting Ortlund’s anti icon video? Thank you.
I think Suan is on that already
@@coachp12b he is, but if possible I’d like more than one response
I have never heard that the Church approved of the castrati but only that the Church tolerated it by hiring them, which is both more plausible than the claim that the Church actually performed the castratons and a lot more difficult to rebut
It is honestly a horrible case. The Church tolerated it although gave some regulations that they had to be over seven and consent to it although it was also technically justified as a necessity after an accident. It was a way for poor families to not be so.
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@@johnnotrealname8168 I mean it's not like the Church could completely ban it from society. In 500 years everyone's going to be bashing the Catholic Church for not "doing something" about the evils of abortion.
I feel like some bigger myths would be that Catholics couldn’t have the bible in their own language until Vatican II. I was taught this in bible college
Not sure about until Vatican II but having a Bible was rare in the Catholic world.
@@johnnotrealname8168 it was but there also wasn’t really a printing press until right when the Vatican happened. Most people couldn’t read throughout church history and bibles were worth the same amount as houses.
@@jacobhilderman I meant it was rare after the protestant revolution. The Church did discorouge the use of it since the uproar was created by bad readings of the Bible. Catholic Spirituality was not Biblical, although the Church itself used it. It was a prudential measure, there is nothing inherently wrong with it.
No, the issue was more or less having accurate translations. Any literate person with wealth could, in theory, scribe their own translation of the Bible. Someone could easily sneak or modify a passage and then preach to the masses, and no one would know better. In fact, we actually did see this happen when Martin Luther added the word 'alone' in Romans 3:28. This issue even more problematic with the printing press, as not only could a person mistranslate the Bible, but also mass-reproduce that mistranslation.
This does not mean that it was illegal to have a Bible in vernacular. If this was the case, the Church would have a very hard time preaching and converting people who did not speak Latin. Instead, the Church allowed the commissioning of vernacular texts to trusted scribes.
For instance rulers such as King Alfred and Charlemagne, both contributed to translating and introducing the New Testament in their respective vernaculars.
@@Cklert yup! Honestly I would have no idea what to do it all of a sudden everyone could have access to a bible most people who had bibles were qualified to teach as well. I’m not sure I would allow everyone access to the bible as soon as it became available, I personally would be hesitant.
Do one on anti-catholic myths on the Crusades!
I have at least 5 videos on the Crusades in my Catholic Controversies playlist th-cam.com/play/PLbz3GMKW31OFcZ11hNgR1HdGBqiv-Nepn.html
I wouldn’t be opposed to banning NBC from covering the Olympics though.
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I'd heard the castrati myth before but kind of forgot about it. Glad you clarified it.
Women being banned from singing in public in Italian provinces is manifestly an exaggeration. Vivaldi's gloria, which was written well before the Italian unification, has only female soloist parts. The reason is that it was written for singers of a Church orphanage, where boys learnt a trade to make a living from and so only girls were allowed to learn advanced music.
No myths here.
Rome is the true Church because it’s demonstrably true. It’s a matter of historical fact that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church, which includes not just Rome, but also the Orthodox Communions.
Rome doesn’t “determine” what the canon of Scripture is. God inspired the Scriptures, and the Church that He founded and leads has the infallible competency to identify these Scriptures are. The Church also has the infallible competency to interpret and explicate the Scriptures.
And so says the church. That is just a circular argument.
@@kevinkelly2162 nope. So says Jesus Christ. If you have a problem with the authority that the Catholic Church has, take it up with God. He’s the one who set it up this way.
@@alexjurado6029 Nah, the church says Jesus said....... Still a circular argument.
@@kevinkelly2162 I’m starting to think that you don’t know what a circular argument is, friend. Or at least how to identify one.
The Church doesn’t appeal to itself, it appeals to Christ and what He said, which can be objectively verified in the New Testament.
@@alexjurado6029 No, the church appeals to what it says Jesus said. The NT was written by the church.
Hey Trent! Tell Laura I’m a fan
@YAJUN YUAN a letter? Or a letter every day of the week? 😂
Myth #5 for some reason makes me chuckle. It may be the astronomy nerd in me that does see astronomers legit coming up with a mouthful of a term for a telescope just so they can have a cool acronym/name for it 😂
‘Lucifer’ means light or light bringing if I’m not mistaken. Since telescopes are essentially giant light buckets, it makes sense on a strictly term and meaning basis to have a reference to ‘lucifer’ in there. One could argue that since Lucifer was the being’s name while he was still good with God, then it’s not bad in of itself. As Satan is the new name given to him to represent his fall, that’s the one we should avoid.
Just my thoughts and opinions on the situation.
Hello Jen, I'm pretty sure Lucifer is a Latin term for what you describe. It is also a term used toward our Lord Jesus (Day Star, Morningstar, Light Bringer etc.) The name is more of a tradition when referring to the Devil, but there is no concrete evidence that Lucifer is the beings name. His names, as highlighted by the Bible and Tradition, are everything else we know already, primarily as Satan or Devil. I'm happy for someone to correct me in case I'm mistaken.
Also, the passage that people point to (Isaiah 14:12)in context is actually about 'Israel's Remnant Taunts Babylon' more notably, the passage is directed to the King of Babylon. This passage is not about 'The Devil', although we can point to it to describe the similar conditions in which Satan was cast out of Heaven.
Good bless you, and I hope you have a wonderful evening.
What a beautiful background
I read Washington Irving's book. I remember that he included the famous "egg" story, but I don't remember that he accused the Church of resisting the roundness of the earth. Does anyone know a good citation?
you missed "the da vinci code is based on a true story"
Funny story. During the peak of it's popularity people were going to the building of Opus Dei to see the "torture chamber." In response some members said, "sure, follow me!" So they would take these visitors down to woodshop room and say something like, "yeah, it's a torture refinishing these pews."
There is a comic book artist named John Byrne and he draws children in the same manner. He is also the greatest comic book artist that ever drew comics.
Hey Bro lower your light in height wise & move it a tough closer to you cause the shadow on your right eye is too dark, I also see the light is too bright on your camera right .... the sound sounds good.
it was so absurd that they gave him 3 ships
Rodney Stark goes through a bunch in "Bearing False Witness;" its free on Audible and a must read/listen. He's not even Catholic.
The babies looked weird? Have they seen Egyptian art?! LOLOL
someone is going to demand a list of online sources for these...
A vid on Don Juan of Austria wouldn't hurt either. A great story of a very flawed human being who saved not only Christianity but Western civilization from the Turks.
4:03 Can one speak of Olympic Games taking place in Ephesus or in Antioch?
By definition they would be at Olympus ...
Interesting. I’ve only heard of the flat earth myth. The others I have never heard of nor do I suspect have most people heard of them.
I had heard that the Church had castrated boys for the choir. Glad that she did not.
@@carolynkimberly4021 do you ever listen to Vienna boys choir. Trust me they are not castrated. Yet they reach high notes
@@lois2997 It was supposedly in the Middle Ages. Yes, I've heard them.
Hi Trent, I was wondering if you could comment or would recommend video series on historical theology by Dr. Ryan Reeves on TH-cam. Its s bit dated, maybe 4- 8 yrs old. I understand he is evangelical and teaches at Gordon- Conwell Thological Seminary. It does not come across as anti-Catholic, so I wonder if you would endorse it as an accurate telling of the Christian story. God Bless.
It would be nice as a Non Catholic to get your perspective on popes like John XII, Sergius III, Benedict IX, or a man like Gregory VI. He was actually a decent man in contrast to the two aforementioned devils... But wasn't Catholic and essentially purchased the papacy at auction.
I find it odd when people complain about the pope or status of the church (negatively) today as if it hasn't been far worse in the past
What about them? They're probably in hell right next to Judas Iscariot. That doesn't change the validity of the Catholic Church.
@@user-zi7gd9pn3l not in your mind, no.... But then nothing would.
😂😂😂😂😂 I can only imagine the skit
Though the earth is more flat than it is round
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Era TOS thenes
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So many people goof that up.
Pet peeve of mine.
Coltello not coletto hahaha
When did apostle Peter give the keys of heaven to Popes?
Peter first pope, the keys follows the apostolic succession
@@romasliv where did you learn that?
Around 67AD with dating from St Jerome. St Linus succeeded Peter as bishop of Rome
@@Theunspokentruth77 irinaeus talk about that
@@HodgePodgeVids1but apostle Peter didn't give the keys of heaven to anyone, did he?
Instead of going after this low-hanging fruit, you should address the claims of Vatican I and the Early Church up to the end of the first millennium. Many Orthodox see Vatican I as a slam dunk of a discrepancy when compared to how the Church operated pre-1054. Would be nice to get your take on the issue.
With the exception of Christians supposedly believing the Earth to be flat, I've never heard of any of these, instead of “insane” historical claims he should focus on things that actually are commonly believed and are commonly repeated even in Catholic sources, like Galileo
For anyone interested, please compare the words of EC Vatican I and the very Letter of Agatho to the 6th Ecumenical Council (3rd Council of Constantinople, 681-682).
The parallelism is astonishing.
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First Vatican Council, Pastor Aeternus, Chapter 4 (1870):
_”(…) Indeed, _*_their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable Fathers_*_ and _*_reverenced and followed by all the Holy Orthodox Doctors,_*_ for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter always _*_REMAINS UNBLEMISHED by any error, in accordance with the divine promise_*_ of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: ‘I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren‘ [Lk 22, 32]”_
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The Letter of Pope Saint Agatho to the Emperor (actas of the 6th EC, received with acclamation) (680-681):
_“(…) because the true confession thereof for which _*_PETER_*_ was pronounced blessed by the Lord of all things, was revealed by the Father of heaven, for he received from the Redeemer of all himself, by three commendations, the duty of feeding the spiritual sheep of the Church; under whose protecting shield, _*_THIS Apostolic Church of his has NEVER TURNED AWAY from the path of truth in any direction of error,_*_ whose authority, as that of the _*_Prince of all the Apostles,_*_ the whole Catholic Church, and the Ecumenical Synods have faithfully embraced, and followed in all things; _*_and all the venerable Fathers have embraced its Apostolic doctrine,_*_ through which they as the most approved luminaries of the Church of Christ have shone; _*_and the Holy Orthodox Doctors have venerated and followed it,_*_ while the heretics have pursued it with false criminations and with derogatory hatred. This is the living tradition of the Apostles of Christ, which his Church holds everywhere…. the firm rock of this Church of blessed Peter, the Prince of the Apostles, _*_which by his grace and guardianship REMAINS FREE FROM all error”_* .
A good read in the apologetics of it but with massive academic research may be given in the excellent book _”The Papacy: Revisiting the Debate Between Catholics and Orthodox”_ by Erick Ybarra. To be published by Emmaus Road is an attestation of the seriousness and quality of the book.
God bless you and good reading!
I don't get why the EO would rely on such a late council to justify their grievances in the first place. It leaves them in the same position as protestants when they reject the immaculate conception
@@Qwerty-jy9mj From what read, the EO or at least some parts of it in the 19th and early 20th centuries, tried to disassociate itself as much as possible from the Latin Church. Why? Unsure. I speculate it was because they didn't want to give Rome any credibility.
Trent's sounding kinda hoarse, take a day off buddy, no need to hurt yourself
Since Adam lost his (and ours) INTEGRITY In the garden STORY: WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE WORDS WRITTEN BY MEN IN THE "SACRED BIBLE," and/or the WORDS SAID at the "SACRED MASS"?
I am always being attacked for our Pope wearing robes. rings and sitting on thrones like a king. Not sure if I can defend it. 🤔
Simply put , the Catholic Church is old school and what we see as fancy now was normal way back when
The Pope is as important if not more like a court judge , ( the Pope is the Vicar of Christ ) the last time I checked the Judge wears robes , can wear rings and sits in a fancy chair like a king
Don’t sweat over this
God Bless
The Egyptian had circumcision and priest before the Israelites did, and other nations had Kings before them also, so by there logic, God copy pagan practice for them to live by and operate as a nation
@@pdub69triniboy absolutely not
Paganism by definition is the corruption of God’s teachings
God came to change their belief not culture
All you mentioned is part of man developed cultures
Besides Judaism existed at that time period so what makes you so sure Jews didn’t develop that on their own??
If God copied pagan beliefs why didn’t he copy their acceptance of human sacrifice , slavery, etc ??
@kiryu-chan577
Like a prince.
He is representing a Kingdom, why would anyone have a problem with this?
He wears RINGS! Oh, my this is the most terrible thing I can imagine.
And ROBES! Don't say robes!
Oh, wait a minute... so what if he wears a ring or two, one is of his office. and what is the problem with how he dresses?
Why do most Pastors wear a business suit? AND with a pagan ring. (a wedding ring is a pagan practice).
A business suit is a result of a military uniform. The tall neck is folded down forming the wide lapels.
Why do Pastors wear a military uniform?
Pagan rings
and hold their arms out with an open Bible in one hand, that they never refer to.
Why do they speak funny when they are sermonizing? Do they go to an acting class to affect that voice?
Trent! Would love to see you engage with the awesome street preacher David Lynn, @christsforgiveness. His videos are great, but I think he is mistaken on Catholicism