"Conservatives" Who Need to be Converted
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- In this episode, Trent examines two groups of conservatives who need to respond to the message of Jesus Christ and his Church.
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00:00 Christian/Conservative Distinctions
00:48 Immoral Individualists
07:11 Racist Conservatives
15:49 Conclusion - บันเทิง
The weirdest thing is when Andrew Tate is held up as a ‘Conservative’ Icon.
Yes, and he happens to have the worst of both types of bad conservatives.
This is what happens when we judge acts by results instead of intent. Tate seems "right wing" because of his anti-feminist views. But those views stem from the exact same principles as feminism. His entire framework is liberal
How isn’t he a conservative?
@@tookie36 Because he thinks all things are morally permissible if there's consent
@@sivad1025so you’re saying conservatism is Catholicism ?
Seeing so many so-called conservatives celebrating Dave Rubin's surrogate child was so disappointing.
A child birth is always worthy of celebrating
@@gavasiarobinssson5108 Unless its enabling multiple sins against nature
I do get the impression that the group of online anti-liberal, anti-woke, that have arisen since around 2016 try not to rock the boat with each other too much and want to keep a semblance of unity. I'm thinking of Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro and Daily Wire folk, Jordan Peterson, Weinsteins, Prager etc.
@@solaris6070 there’s a thread tying some of those individuals together
@@gavasiarobinssson5108 The birth of the child is a great thing, but the trafficking of a baby from a rented womb is evil. It's not the kid's fault. Nothing against that little boy, but the way in which his "parents" acquired him is disgusting.
Holding your political allies to account is incredibly important. This video is huge
Just keep an eye out for those who would intentionaly seek to ‘divide and conquer’ by fostering division amongst those who would otherwise be allies.
I'm not a political ally of either side. This is the problem of a binary system that tries to force everyone into one of only two camps. I'm an athiest and a free market Objectivist.
@@Justin_Beaver564 good for you?
The pope endorsed Dialop Transversal, a marxist organization, just a week ago.
"Conservative" seems to just mean "not Left" nowadays.
Like Trent says conservatives lack an objective stance on what they are consvering.
Mainting public lands and caring for the environment was once conservative values. The labor movement and unions were once conservative values. But now it’s abortion, anti lgbt, and tax cuts for the wealthy
Conservatives are on the Left. They're just driving the speed limit.
John Doyle has pointed out this exact, long-running self-destructive phenomenon.
I never got conservatism, because I mocked the cognitive dissonance of small government deregulation and financing the massive war on drugs. So what if some idiot wants to smoke weed in private? Self determination for all!
@@nisonatic Sure, policing is a core function. Masses just argue that when there is no victim, there is no crime.
Excellent video sir. This is a lesson a lot of us Catholics and Christians in general need to learn. While it is arguable that there is a lesser evil, we must remember we are neither tied to conservative or liberal ideology or parties. We are tied to Christ. Knowing this, we can see that both indeed have their own sinful beliefs and actions, and thus we can avoid being lead astray.
This is a shameful false equivalency. You must forget the evil we’re up against.
@@stevendouglas3781 Like I said, you can argue there is a lesser evil, but as the video already covers, conservatism is not free of evil either, and it is not equivalent to Christianity. Believing so will only mislead you, like you may be right now. Do not forget who you truly are and who you're truly fighting for. Or else you will continue to shame others when you have shame yourself.
@@stevendouglas3781 Conservatism contains the same ideology that produced progressivism, that's why conservatism is just progressivism a few decades behind the curve.
@@rcbmmines4579 you’re talking absolute foolishness. The type of foolishness that demoralizes people ostensibly on your side. Opposing abrotion is not a “lesser evil” than abrotion. Opposing ch!ld sex surgery isn’t a “lesser” evil than promoting it.
You didn’t give any examples because you know your point is unreasonable. So what is evil about the right? They don’t h8 wh te ppl enough? What?
Like i said, just another desperate false equivalency because it makes you feel better i guess. Whenever the right begins to gain ground in the culture people like you always pop up to tell them to calm down and that they’re abstractly equal to their ideological opposites. No bueno.
@@bad_covfefe that is a dialectic which is being purposefully played out but it is not inherent to the beliefs. Conservatism is trying to conserve the culture of western Christianity in America. That culture had already been warped from the enlightenment, but the desire to turn back to the societal foundation of Christ is what being right wing is. There are millions of goofy libertarian / liberal types who think they’re on the right because leftists annoy them, but that doesn’t matter.
Thank you for saying "Conservative is not Christian" We need to stop equating true Christianity with "Conservatism" and start equating Christianity with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just because someone works for The Daily Wire and attends mass, that doesn't mean they are putting Jesus ahead of political parties.
How about for starters, you (Christian) americans stop accepting the word “Judeo-Christian”, if your problem is the Daily Wire.
Trent doesn't equate Christianity with the gospel of Christ. He equates it with submission to the authority of the pope.
@@patrickbarnes9874You either submit to the Pope or any of 40k+ sects of Protestantism. I think the choice is obvious.
See, you can’t agree on the meaning of the Bible and it’s teachings between yourself, not to mention it came 15 centuries after Christ. And you had to throw out multiple books out of the Bible to prove your point.
Church was, is and will be final Authority. As it was for the first 3 centuries before Catholic Church compiled the Bible.
As they say - they were no "Bible Alone" Christians in the first 3 Centuries…
Conservatism is antithetical to the gospel of Christ.
@@patrickbarnes9874
And that IS Gospel. Gospel of Jesus Christ was first shared though unwritten means.
The African Catholic Church is a light to the World.
Amem
Africa will become the Rome of the 21-22st century
It really is. Cheers from a Roman Catholic in the US ✝️
Yes! More honest conversations about this topic needs to be had across the Christian & conservative community. As a former black liberal who is now Orthodox Christian, I found that as my faith and relationship in Jesus Christ grew my world view naturally became conservative- and my place and purpose in life only stands on Christ- which bring clarity regardless of the which way the political wind blows. I also love hearing from Catholic brothers & sisters (like Trent and Lila Rose) and reading Catholic literature (like Theology of the Body) which stands firm in the faith and have a well rounded approach to livening out their faith in Christ in this upside down world. Thank you Trent for putting a spotlight on this multi faceted issue! I need to find more ppl like this in my own life who are able to be this honest, introspective.
Hey, I was in a similar boat. I'm a Catholic now but grew up as the most conservative one in my family. How did you end up Orthodox?
@@canibezeroun1988in a nutshell I grew up in an American cultic church that didn’t have the real Christianity. In my 20s I started asking questions and I was met with push back. Needless to say I informally walked away and participated in worldly cares becoming liberal in my ideology. Then after I became pregnant out of wedlock with my first child I became compelled to raise him with a faith because obviously my life was not going down an ideal path. And I owed to my innocent child to get my life together. Unfortunately I was drawn to Islam because it seemed the believers had a moral high standard of living and I liked the idea of rejecting “white Jesus”. After practicing that for a few years (thank God for His Grace) He allowed me to see that it was false, empty and hatful. I had a friend who I could be honest with about feeling spiritually lost and in need of the real God. The friend told me about the beautiful history of Orthodox Christianity- something I never new existed due to my upbringing. So I took it upon my self to inquire with a priest and then became Catechized. About a year later I was baptized thank you Jesus! I married that friend and now we have children together! I still feel like a baby in the faith but I’m love with Jesus , learning and practicing. I’m most thankful that I get to raise my children in a Christian church and in true Christian faith.
@@drjanitor3747 I guess when I speak of true a Christian faith I think of true orthodoxy faith in Christ our savior who died rose and assented to heaven and will return…you know the creeds. I understand the churches are not in communion and that Catholics believe that they have the fullness of the faith but not to say that others outside the church don’t have real faith. I believe that a true Christian has faith in the truth of Christ our Savior. Nevertheless, I love my Catholic brothers and sisters and I pray that one day all churches will be in unity as they once were. Thanks for sharing!
@@drjanitor3747 You demonstrate why we non-Catholics continue to be unconvinced by Catholic claims. Your justification for making your claim that your church is the truth faith is a quotation from the leader of that faith. It's like when a Christian tries to use Bible verses to prove God exists. No atheist is going to take that seriously.
I think, as a general rule about most things and not just religion, if your goal is to change minds then you need to meet those minds where they are at.
I am a black American and I recently returned to the fullness of the Catholic church and I must say, *THANK YOU TRENT* for what you said at 7:14 . I'm a pretty conservative guy politically and yes, plenty of people scream "racism!" at nothing, but that doesn't mean legitimate, vile racism doesn't exist. Unfortunately, it pains me to say this, but the fact is there are too many legitimate racists in the "trad Cath" movement. We have people like Nick Fuentes calling himself a Catholic and countless racist memes spreading around Traditional Catholic spaces. It's just as wrong as the other end of the spectrum, where heretical Catholics push pro-lgbt lifestyle garbage.
Thank you again for calling this out and being fair.
Yes!!!! Too many in the church love to rant about Jewish power or race mixing . And forget about the heart of the gospel. Not to mention the tremendous sin of scandal it has on the church who end up thinking we are a bunch on nazis. I mean i was watching Nick on a debate with Protestants and when he started spewing his schizo theories , the Protestants. Asked each other: “ Wow the Catholic Church believes some wacky stuff” and it totally turned them off from hearing about the truth SMH
Welcome back to the faith!
Most online trad caths are simply practicing a LARP. Sucks that they are attempt to associate with people like Trent
@@haloking9809what did Christ call them? The synagogue of who? Children of what? How is pointing this stuff out ignoring the “heart of the gospel”? Does the “heart of the gospel” say let your people go extinct, or not to notice when those in power hate you? Interesting position to take
@@ebenade1 Trent’s the one who’s LARPing
Wow, this editing is insane. Haven't watched much besides the beginning of it but man, good job Trent.
Although, I think we could have done without some of the examples. 🤣
Don't thank him, thank his staff.
As an English Christian, I grapple with the notion that expressing a desire to preserve the demographic and material well-being of my people in their homeland through prudent immigration policies is deemed immoral or an undue exaltation of my ethnic identity. It is crucial to clarify that advocating for such preservation does not equate to fostering hatred based on race. In the eyes of Christ, we are all one, connected through a shared spiritual bond, yet we must also acknowledge the divine purpose behind our unique identities and roles.
God, in His wisdom, has ordained distinct roles for men and women, just as He has bestowed upon nations their unique identities. As stewards of His creation, we bear the responsibility to safeguard the welfare of our families, recognizing that this duty extends to our broader community and tribe - an extension of our familial ties. Embracing the divine order, we acknowledge the importance of nurturing the nations that God has ordained, ensuring their rightful stewardship for the greater glory of His plan.
Look up statistics of Wh1te Population worldwide and tell me who’s the minority.
It’s fine to be very strict with such policies, Church has never opposed that. It’s not hate, it’s the Preservation of own people.
Look who’s-pulling the strings while you’re at it 🤥👌🏻
@jamessilcock7158 Well stated.
“Go and form nations.” God seemed to forbid the idea of one mankind and global culture and government, instead forcing the separation of peoples. I agree with you.
Thank you so much for this video! It is great to hear Catholics pushing back on these conservative errors
Finally, someone who's actually saying what I've been thinking. Conservatives have abandoned their principles and values to be more favorable to others - so basically became liberal. We need to stop bending the knee to these people and start standing up for what is true. I'm so sick of walking on eggshells or tiptoeing through the tulips with these heathens because their feelings might be hurt. Bring on the intellectual crusades.
@delicious_seabass
And what is true, according to you in 2024?
happily, you cultists are more at war with each other than anyone else.
@@velkyn1 Is that so? Last I checked, the left is a giant unwinnable competition to decide which group is the most victimized.
Wrong. It’s more like liberals became conservatives to subvert it. First off, Dave Rubin is a homosexual jew. Jews reject Christ and absolutely hate Catholics. There is nothing traditional or conservative about him, he is a grifter. Trent and everyone like him will always fail in their mission and their groups will always be subverted because they don’t mention the Jewish question. To be catholic and to ignore Jewish history is astounding to me. It’s why it’s so hard to take Trent or people like Andrew Wilson seriously. Christianities number 1 enemy is Judaism, always has been and always will be.
"If you belong to the world, the world would love you as its own. Because you don't belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world - therefore the world hates you."
- John 15:19
You showed your honesty, convictions, and willingness to fight for the Truth. If you ever stop getting hate in the comments you're doing something wrong. Speak kind, loving and gentle... with brutal honesty.
Take heart, brother, only the brave get to earn Heaven.
5:33 that is so profound.
And you're right. I'm a recent convert from atheism. I was living in LA and I was sick of the values of everyone around me and started admiring Christians. Never thought I would believe in it literally but eventually found enough evidence to actually believe Christ rose and it's all true. And yes, there is no fuller way to embrace good values than a full conversion and accepting the truth of Jesus Christ.
I've been blown away how the world makes so much more sense. Before my conversion as much as I didn't like the secular values around me - the hook up culture and lewdness especially, there was no real or at least easy way to support the values I wished to instill in the world around me. There's studies on how monogamy works better and such, and philosophical arguments on why hook-up culture sucks, but it's so much easier and more definite once you realize and can assert that we're simply created a certain way for certain things, and that what God wants for us and has revealed to us is what's best for us.
It has also even made me embrace these values more strongly, and some new ones I didn't really have before, and I like it lol. It feels more right.
I share your disgust with the degradation of modern secular values but am firmly in the agnostic/atheist camp, so I have to ask: what empirical evidence caused you to convert to Christianity instead of any other faith? I certainly haven't seen any.
@@Charlotte_Martel My first reply got deleted. It seems to do that when I refer to a podcast recommendation maybe thinking it's spam. But I'll try one more time...
So I'm going to paste what I've said before in reply to someone else, as it's easiest. My apologies if it's a lot of information at once, but it's a matter of converging evidence. It's hard to describe just one thing, as the resurrection is a historical event, so you can't do a double blind placebo controlled study to prove it just like with any other event in history, and you can't put the supernatural in a test tube. But the following converging evidence has made me accept that it's true, and I'm growing stronger in that conviction every day. I'm happy to elaborate and share resources for any of the following, if you'd like to further the discussion my electronic male (intentionally misspelled mb my comment won't get deleted lol) is on my padzhe lol. But here comes that list:
Shroud of Turin (Jesus's burial cloth and my favorite piece of scientifically studied evidence. Pints of Aquinas episode on it with Andrew Dalton is amazing), Eucharistic miracles, how soon after Jesus's death the gospels and Paul's letters were written when for other biographical historical writings in that time it would take centuries and they were written within living memory of many witnesses and the creed in 1 Corinthians 15 is said to have been formulated within a few years if not months after Jesus's death, the fact that we have way more manuscript copies for the gospels than for other events at the time, historical accuracies and other unintentional evidence in the gospels and book of Acts scholars like John Bergsma have analyzed, the fact that people who claimed to see the resurrected Jesus were killed rather than renounce it (it's one thing to die over something you believe to be true and don't know better like a suicide bomber, it's another thing to die over a conscious lie, like Peter getting crucified upside down for saying he saw and had a meal with the resurrected Jesus), testimonies of supernatural experiences either demonic or encounters with Jesus that converted atheists, new agers, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, etc (you may not find this convincing, but it's evidence nonetheless. Testimony is evidence in a court of law for example), the Marian apparitions at Zeitoun that millions witnessed over three years that we have pictures of and recorded miraculous healings from - Jimmy Akin has a great Mysterious World episode on it, and probably more I'm forgetting. Oh also the fruits of Christianity - how the Catholic church pioneered science and civilization. As Jesus said, "judge them by the fruits."
Let’s convert VIVEK Ramaswamy. He sounds like he could be close if given a Trent Horn defense of the Catholic Faith
He went to a Catholic school, so he's already somewhat in the know.
I think an issue is that because there are a lot of people who refuse to vote for him because he's a Hindu, if he were to convert, people would accuse him of converting for political reasons, even if it's sincere.
He needs to get away from hindu demons
@@nathanielus5296 He has my vote but because I like what he offers as commander in chief and his plans, but yes that’s really my only hang up. Hopefully with enough of our prayers it will be ok
@@CatholicWithaBiblePodcast a lot of former Catholics went to Catholic schools. That really isn’t an indicator of whether or not he was ever Catholic
Low key one of the best episodes. I’ve noticed how conservatives are always a few steps behind liberals. The stance on social issues changes. Also the two types of conservatives really puts proper labels to what I’ve been experiencing.
This is so lame. If you think this, you fail to understand what conservatism is.
You didn't even watch the video!
Thanks for playing.
@@stcolreplover I know what conservatism isn't.
It isn't what our nation was founded on (presuming you're from the US, but most other countries work as well), it isn't individualist "God, weed, and guns", it isn't 95% of the so-called conservatives that make up our government.
If you support any one of these propositions then you are NOT a conservative.
@@stcolreplover& So your solution of ideas is ................. ? ( Crickets )
Trent himself goes with the Overton window shift on a number of issues unfortunately, but there are also areas where a wide amount of views can be acceptable depending on the circumstances. Like on economics as a Catholic it's acceptable for the state to have a wide variety of amounts of control, but we should be pragmatic about the effects. If the state controlling health care or taxing multi-millionaires/ billionaires at a high rate had an extremely good effect, we should be for it, but neither do
Whenever someone identifies as conservative, I want to ask what is being conserved?
"Put not your trust in princes, in mortal man, who cannot save. When his spirit departs, he returns to the ground; on that very day his plans perish." - Psalm 146:3-4
Generally some component of the existing political/social order.
Same with Christians. What have they conserved?
@@tayzk5929 depends on who you ask. The Orthodox have conserved virtually everything that makes them who they are. The Catholics have to a lesser degree, Protestants even less.
Money for rich people. That’s what gets conserved by conservatism. That’s all that gets conserved. Any other thing that gets talked up by conservatives is negotiable. They’ll trade away being pro life. They’ll trade away traditional marriage. They’ll trade away supporting free speech or the right to raise your own kids the second it conflicts with the bottom line of the fabulously wealthy. To be a conservative is nothing more or less than to support an oligarchy of unaccountable billionaires. The rest is just aesthetics.
Telling only one group they’re forbidden from having a racial identity will not end well.
Trent is woke as well on this issue and racist because he is okay with white countries becoming not white.
We aren't racists, they are. They just don't see it with their egos thinking everyone is equal in God's eyes so any differences on Earth are meaningless.
Ephesians 4:29
Identities are fine as long as it doesn't violate that. Unfortunately many groups weaponize their identities out of fear and pride. They don't even want to admit it's a sin, so why would they want to inherent the kingdom of God with those souls in it? God knows what's in our hearts.
@@snokehusk223 It's pretty hypocritical too. Saint Pope Pius XII has said: "It is quite legitimate for nations to treat those differences as a sacred inheritance and guard them at all costs."
You can have it, but if it stops you from loving others as Christ commands, it won’t help anyone.
I’d say we’re all members of the human race, and Christ commands us to recognize our common humanity. To fixate on one’s racial identity and group is fascism and a distortion of God’s creation.
That was a good story about Martin. I would just say, the so-called "catholics" that were racist to Martin were not upholding our Church's teaching but were in defiance of it. We don't judge an ideology by it's abuses but by it's tenants.
those Catholics don't owe someone that isn't hisof their kin privilages that their kin enjoys
It is not a Christian virtue to sell our children, or to say "whatever I have that you could benefit from, is promised to strangers"
I get, that we must love the foreigners, and the poor, and our enemies. But if we forget that our first duty is to our families, than our faith is in vain.
@@marvalice3455Functional Moral Balance.
Just because someone is right-wing doesn't necessarily mean they're conservative. ☝️
“The church” is filled with CHRINOS. Easiest way to spot them is they frequently quote the Bible yet rarely quote Christ.
@@CMA418 As I like saying, when will they be Christ like to money changers?
Historically, it does. The terms right and left come from the French Revolution when the conservatives(people who wanted to conserve the monarchy) sat on the right of the chamber and the revolutionaries (who wanted to eliminate the monarchy and religion) sat on the left of the chamber.
Just because someones conservative, doesnt necessarily mean theyre christian either.
Just because theyre christian doesnt mean theyre politically literate either.
Thank you for sharing the story about St. Martin and especially about the different expressions of Catholicism. I remembered hearing criticism about how Mexicans celebrated their mass by a fellow member in the English mass. Reminds me about the uniqueness of worship all across and how they are all valid and beautifully made
One holy Catholic and apostolic church! :)
What’s wrong with mexican Mass?
@@jonatikaWwe He was being a bit racist and was essentially saying that the English mass was superior but in a condescending way
@directsound4962 I don't see any issue with any mass and their unique expressions. They are all valid and cater to the cultures around the world. Even when TLM was vastly popular, there were the Byzantine churches that practiced differently
@@MontyRLThe Byzantine Rite is traced back to the very first centuries of Christianity. Mexicans strumming guitars or dancing in Aztec dresses at Mass is a post-1965 aberration. We did not need that stuff to convert millions of Mexicans in a few years, we just needed the TLM and trust in God and His Mother.
This was long overdue. Thanks Trent for your words of wisdom. Conservative does not mean pro-Christian.
True. Not everyone wants to be a martyr.
Try telling that to Trump. The guy who cleared the oppressed from the streets then held A Bible upside down for a photo op.
Very well said! I didn't know how to express this feeling/thoughts and Trent does it so well! Thank you!
Very good video. We lived in Alabama in the early seventies. Blacks there said they’d rather live there when they knew what people thought rather than in the eastern states where people acted like they disapproved of segregation but didn’t want blacks in their neighborhoods or in their schools.
And in a truly Christian nation, black people wouldn’t have to choose between ‘racist and proud’ states and ‘secretly racist’ states. 😂
Thank you so much for this video Trent. I've been thinking about this problem a lot recently and this video came out at the perfect time. Good job
I am a apolitical person, I am simply Catholic. I am for everything that is moral and against everything that is amoral. When conservatives are right, I support them; when left wingers are right, I support them too.
A Christian cannot have a ideology other than Jesus Christ's Gospel.
This is the way. All political parties fall short of what Jesus asks of us.
This is a platitude that doesn't mean anything
You have used "amoral" incorrectly. In this context, you should have employed "immoral". Amoral is something is morally neutral. There is nothing rational in being against things that are morally neutral
@@apracity7672 it was a mistake. Imoral was what I wanted to say. Thank you.
True, the tricky part is, who do you vote for knowing either choice will have it's moral compromises? Do you calculate the lesser evil/most good? God help us.
Fully agree and I shouted "THAT'S RIGHT!" Near the end when you said to look out of Europe for healthy Catholic church, I'm European and Italian to be precise, it's dying and obsessed with traditions more than the essence of catholicism, there's a ridiculous amount of clericalism and a blind belief that the local community is still Catholic, something the hurts evangelization for the sake of perpetuating a catechisms that falls on deaf and borderline atheist ears...
Sorry for the rant but as a theology student and catechist I just wanted to vent.
Same with France, but I think the whole world can see we're struggling...
YES!!! Thank you, Trent, for bringing this to light!
Love your work Trent. Your ministry has been a real blessing for me and my family. Thank you 🙏 ✝️
Superb. Well spoken as usual Trent. Thank you!
Conservatism is acting on a snails pace because they’re only unified under a vague blanket of concepts but the lack of personhood leaves no anchor for the right to rally against. Trent is right that we need to convert big speakers so there’s true unity among the conservatives so that we can make actual progress
One who follows the Buddha’s teaching also understands what is wholesome and what isn’t wholesome.
No, it acts at a snail's pace because of all the petty infighting and the leadership has stagnated.
that wont bring any unity
Religious conservatives are a small minority. This is a fact. They only cast an outsized shadow because they've attached themselves to the Republican Party. No such thing as monolithic conservative or progressive movement. Never has been.
@@uiliumpowell4684not good enough.
Trent is simply the best at this.
Thank you and God bless. 😎👍
Great video, this message needs to be spread.
Great video Trent, God bless!
15:34 The Church in Africa has saved the Church in Europe from itself before and will hopefully do so again.
if only it could do something about the rape rate too. It has skyrocketed in Europe in direct correlation with illegal immigration from Africa.
@@Jose-ru2wfIt's not their best who are migrating. It's their society's worst.
I must say the assertion that Sub Sharan Africans are better Christians than Whites is absurd. Cardinal Sarah and many others point to their rampant horrid theology. It is similar to Latin America. It is Catholic only in the name and many times is not even Christian at all.
African Christianity is not close to what it is in Europe. It's practically another religion.
Absolutely fantastic. You were spot on point and your 'reason' is perfectly clear. God blessed you with extraordinary communication ability.
Love this so much, you’re always able to be that breath of fresh air. Whenever I’ve been asked my political persuasions i’ve always just said “I’m a Catholic” as it’s as it’s ultimately the church’s teachings that I base my political beliefs on. It’s also a lot easier to say that than “I’m socially conservative and for the most part economically liberal”
Because of the way the word "liberal" has shifted in meaning, "economically conservative" and "economically liberal" now mean the same thing, unless you're referring to trade protectionism. "Economically progressive" is the term you're looking for, and even that word can be misinterpreted. Also, I wish people would distinguish between social conservatism and cultural conservatism, because they aren't always two sides of the same coin. The way the words are used in America today, "social" refers to public matters and "cultural" has more to do with a person's ethnic or regional identity. It's entirely possible to be socially conservative yet culturally liberal (for example, the rich person who lives in a gated community and leads a bohemian lifestyle behind closed doors) and even more possible to be both socially liberal and culturally conservative (the socialist or social-democrat who campaigns against drugs, pornography, etc.).
Race is not something that should be swept under the rug. Race is real and as Catholics we have to honestly contend with the consequences of what that means. Catholics can advocate for their own race and their own people, and still treat others as our siblings in Christ and bring others to Christ and his bride the Church. Love of God includes a healthy appreciation of the differences between the people he made and the uniqueness that those differences bring. I want to be a faithful Catholic first, but that does not mean I have to reject my race or my ancestry or allow others to destroy it to be one.
As long as you're not white, that's fine.
- Most Christian leadership
Agreed completely. Trent appropriates Gallatians 3:28, but in reality what his argument tries to do is identical to using Gal 3:28 to say there is no such thing as male or female
Thankfully nothing in this video suggests you need to abandon your ancestry. However, race idolatry is an over-correction to the left's rhetoric. Too many so called "Catholics" are getting caught up in this trap and going overboard.
Get over yourself
Im convinced milk people who go on about this kind of thing want to be chocolate
Insightful!! Thank you 🙏🏽. God Bless you and Our Lady keep you🙏🏽🕊
Awesome!
Thanks Trent, and I'd like to thank Trent's supporters too, who have provided a secular incentive for Trent's channel.
I really respect what you're getting at here, but frankly it doesn't seem to me that this view will leave anything to conserve. Culture, national identity, and ethnic makeup should not be placed in the place of divinity that is absolutely true, but these concepts cannot be discarded.
The fact of the matter is that my great grandparents who were steeped heavily in their Irish and Italian traditions were much stronger in their Catholic faith than nearly all of my modern Catholic peers or myself I would say. Their faith was reinforced and informed by their culture, national identity, and ethnic background.
We should acknowledge and accept our fellow brothers in Christ from other cultures and backgrounds, but to emphatically state that these things do not matter and need to be fully repressed doesn't seem to map accurately onto reality.
Can you give me the timestamp of where Trent said that culture, national identity and ethnic makeup, do not matter and should be fully repressed?
Upon further consideration and rewatching the segment of video in question, my characterization of his argument as advocating for the full repression of those things is incorrect, he does not state this. I will attempt to state my case more accurately, I think that ethnic group cohesion, culture, and national identity are important components to maintaining faith and community amongst groups of people.
The underlying proposition of Trent's point in this segment of the video seems from my listening to be saying that our common Catholicism will be sufficient to hold together and sustain us and that these factors aren't important. The church in the west is declining in adherence and attendance, from things I've seen in my life (at least as an American) this appears to be due at least in part to the breakdown of cohesive cultural and ethnic identities.
I bring up my great grandparents because when they and their parents first arrived here in America their culture, family, and ethnic background all synergized with and supported their continued adherence to their Catholic faith. In the modern lives of most people these things have been either heavily suppressed or simply don't exist any longer.
Based on this video I can't say for certain how Trent feels or would respond this exact line of reasoning, namely if what I'm saying would be considered morally deficient in the same vein as some of the examples he brings up, who I again will fully grant were saying reprehensible things in these examples.
I think we can have a middle road of being ethnically and culturally conscious of where we come from and what the faith of our peoples were and should be and simultaneously not advocate for the abortion of black babies as some sort of moral good.
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@@Prayingfrog Thank you for your rare humility (at least online) to revisit your initial thoughts.
For context on my comment that follows, I'm non-white, from a previous Portuguese colony, and didn't arrive in the West until I was 18.
I agree with your observations regarding your ancestors, that community helped them bind to each other and Christ. Pope St. Pius X, cognisant of this reality, had priests specially trained to travel with Italian migrants to the USA to ensure that the migrated community would be able to retain and continue their religious life. The context of this though is that at the time, the mass everywhere in the world was in one language, Latin. Now, we can barely get enough priests to say English Masses let alone in other vernacular. Your point is taken.
There is however a bigger misstep that the Church as a whole is guilty of, that Trent is actively addressing but needs support in. That is in the realm of apologetics. My great grandparents were probably illiterate, my grandparents were literate to Grade 5ish, my mom to grade 10, my dad was the first to go to University. My grandparents and earlier were quite content to follow the clergy without question. My parents onwards, we started questioning, them more respectfully and me, my uncle and aunt less so. The lack of *access* to apologetics of any kind meant that I became athiest, and my uncle/aunt became Protestant. We have lost so many souls because the Church didn't recognise sufficiently or early enough that the people they were educating would turn those educated brains against them. I came back to the Church through divine intervention in my life, my aunt and uncle have not.
So what am I trying to say? Trent is not making a claim about diluting our individual cultures. He's trying to establish a minimum commonality between all peoples I.e. to be in Christ. The kind of commonality that allowed humanity to realise that slavery was a grave sin and that equality before the law is correct, even if individual outward differences are real.
My claim is that we need better apologetics, in all languages, as this is a greater threat to us, especially places that are currently Catholic bastions like the Philippines and Latin America.
Well catechised Catholics are not advocating for abortion of black babies, not sure why your brought that up or how that fits into your whole view.
@@alisterrebelo9013 Hey, thank you for responding. I think after a bit of discussion here we're more or less in agreement.
I appreciate you taking my point on the matter of the maintenance of faith communities amongst ethnic groups. I agree with you as well that in the modern world where information is highly accessible there do arise many questions about the faith and that many times Catholics are unfortunately not prepared as they should be to answer these questions for themselves or others, and I agree that it is very important that we as Catholics learn these details and lines of argumentation so that we can defend our faith.
The main reason I watch Trent and other Catholic apologetics channel is to learn such things and make sure I don't make a fool of myself when I do talk to people I know who are not Catholics about these topics.
The last point I made regarding black babies being aborted was in regard to the person featured in Trent's video that posted a meme about black babies being aborted. My point being that I think you can believe ethnicity matters for building and maintaining common faith traditions but not cross the rubicon into being highly prejudiced or racist towards other groups.
Trent, I cant express how happy my heart is seeing this video. This was so needed. God bless you.
This is what I was looking for...🙏👍. Thank you Mr Trent. 🔥✝️
I think part of the common thread is how they interpret letting people do what they want as long as it doesn't harm or infringe on the right of another. I hear too much of that and not enough of challenging where the boundary really stops. I would like to hear more deep discussions about that. Like, does it mean to never talk about whether what they want is a good thing? Does it mean to never call out certain behaviors? Things like that.
It’s a modernist idea
Very true. Conservatives expect us to believe that there are two types of actions: Those that are immediately and clearly harmful to others, and those that are not harmful at all.
Are there not also actions that are not immediately harmful to others, but that are actually still harmful to society in non-obvious ways?
Really, modern conservatism stems from an old form of liberalism. Letting people do whatever they want so long as it doesn't "hurt" other people, is a liberal idea. This is why we've become so degenerate over the decades. Conservatism is just progressivism but behind by a decade.
It ultimately changes the underlying assumptions of society.. you can see it the most strong when Trent debates the Whatever types, because when you say “I think it’s wrong but it doesn’t harm anyone”, you degrade our foundations to the point you are defending beastiality, regardless of what your personal values are. Either it’s wrong or it’s not.
It’s disturbing. I’d like to see Trent talk about how to go about re-establishing a shared foundation - or even how to identify the most basic foundation. I’m a little concerned those foundations came out of hardship and difficulty to survive, which is universal… and as long as we are comfortable, those foundations are unrecoverable.
@@vinciblegaming6817The underlying assumptions of society are always changing. At one time(and for a LONG time), slavery was seen as ordained by God. That was the underlying assumption.
The hubris of man knows no political ideology, only self-righteousness.
This is an especially good CoT video! Very good job!
This is an extremely important video. I came to the same conclusions during my journey to Christ and the Church. This is what people, but young men in particular, need to hear in our fallen world.
They are falling for the Church of Trump. 🫤
Thank you! This was a great video!
This was Gold GBY Trent
I am so glad that Trent you brought this out to the forefront. I too have been thinking about this for a while now. For such a long time saying one was conservative entailed believing in God, opposing abortion, samesex marriages, etc., holding traditional Christian views. It now seems that some of the more well-known influencers are conservative athiets/ agnostics. I would like to think that the foundation for being conservative politically, should be about holding a traditional Judeo Christian viewpoint as the primary factor as that is what hopefully forms one's thinking towards inacting the correct policies across the spectrum.
Not sure how you can talk about "Judeo Christian" when one half of that hates the other
Seems hypocritical to me, you accept the word Judeo Christian, but draw the line at agnostics and atheists? Why? You prefer that Jesus is burning in hell right now for the crime of blasphemy, rather than an atheist that doesn’t believe in Him altogether? They are both irreconcilable.
Seems hypocritical to me, you accept the word Judeo Christian, but draw the line at agnostics and atheists? Why? You prefer that Jesus is burning in hell right now for the crime of blasphemy, rather than an atheist that doesn’t believe in Him altogether? They are both irreconcilable.
@@EldenRingBuildsArchiveNot sure why you posted your question twice? And for that fact not sure what your argument is. I was not drawing the line just making a point, that even Trent was making indirectly I believe. I used the Judeo-Christian viewpoint for my argument as that is what this country has been built on. Not sure about your “Jesus burning in hell” is all about? I believe that the Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth. Christ is the foundation. That’s where I stand. Also, not to long ago it was presumed that calling oneself conservative/ or for that fact republican meant that you were a Christian, and that has changed and that’s what Trent was pointing out, l believe. Being Conservative and a Christian was pretty much synonymous not to long ago, and it meant that you espoused to certain bedrock principles as a republican.
By Judeo - Christianity you mean Chews nailing Jesus to Cross and Blaspheming him burning in excrement?
Trent, I had the same thoughts the 1st time I saw that calender, and the Trad Wife influncers.... It felt like I was the only one that thought this.
Great video that I hope a lot of people hear!
Great video Trent 👍 Thank you and God bless 😊🙏
Like St. Martin de Porres, let us also look to the first African American priest Venerable Augustus Tolton and ask for his intercession! Such an incredible story.
11:45 Pope Pius XI also stated that race was a fundamental, honorable and *necessary* value of human society and that the Church had contributed to maintaining Germany's racial identity.
Pope Pius XI did not oppose the concept of nationalism and at no point did he declare that opposing miscegenation was "sinful".
Do not place race in the place where Almighty God should be.
@@stcolreplover Who said we're trying to do that?
correct, race is crucial aspect to one identity and white nations have a right to keep being white, saying otherwise is sinful yet Trent either doesn't realise that or he is intentionally going against this, maybe due to his jewish background, you must always be wary of them
@@stcolreplovernobody did that in the first place
@@nathanielus5296 wignats definitely do..
Literally other comments are bringing up Trents “race” and placing it with higher value than his Catholic Faith.
Trent...I'm thankful for you and you voice. Keep it up you and your family are in my prayers.
Oh! God bless You, we need more voices as yours.
"Don't look to the church in Europe, look to the church in Africa."
Why wouldn't I look to my own culture? What is wrong with exalting the traditions of my own people? This idea that we must deny ourselves any kinship or pride in our race is incredibly pernicious. Some of the issues mentioned in this video do exist (worshiping race over Christ, denying sanctity of life, etc.), but those are fairly uncommon when compared to this colorblind creed that so many conservatives espouse. Denying racial identity deracinates people and leaves them open to attack which is exactly what we see today. Surely one can have a healthy relationship to their racial identity here on Earth while also maintaining their relationship with Christ.
This is more anti-White propaganda. The European race is already hated enough but it's expected to continue to deny it's right to in-group preference and allow all the other races to play victim to it. It's so tiresome. I'm so disappointed in Trent, how subversive.
Why would I look to a Church that surrenders to the globalist LGBT agenda instead of the Church that holds tight to the gospel?
Please ignore this TH-cam grifter, I assure you that this guy doesn’t even know why the Crusades were started (he’d probably be even okay with Muslims kidnapping women in order to force a marriage, like how it happened in Southern Italy before said Crusades), he’s professing himself as a Godly man, just like how every single antiChrist would do, search for Pope Pius 12’s words, his antiWhite words have no business with Christianity
They can't have a healthy relationship to their racial identity if they fail to understand it. The white-black racial dichotomy isn't sustainable and it ultimately serves race hustlers better than ordinary people.
Our fathers in faith would laugh at the idea of color blindness
Excellent, as usual.
This was refreshing to hear!
Trent, I very much appreciated this video 😊
Boy, this talk is long overdue. Sadly, many “conservative Christians” are conservative first, or worse, consider the two essentially synonymous.
Joseph Pearce has a fantastic conversion story. His earliest "journey home" interview on youtube is fascinating.
Important video. Thanks Trent
Thank you for mentioning Joseph Pearce. He is a towering figure in explaining the good, the true, and the beautiful in Literature.
The way you pronounced "mit brennender Sorge" was really funny. You pronounced the word "Sorge" like an english word. I really like your videos. Greetings from a german non-believer.
😂😊🙏🏻
If Russell Kirk had written "The Conservative Mind" today it would be subtitled "From Burke to Horn" He rightly noted that Conservatism and Libertarianism/Anarchism were incompatable as you do in this video. Well done!
I think incompatible is too strong of a way to put it. While they are not the same, a conservative and a libertarian can co-exist with each other far more easily than either one of them can with the totalitarian left.
You are a Master Trent, fight on.
Really appreciate this video.
This is so right on point.
💎🙏🏼 I do not see this issue talked about enough
i really feel more concerned with "conservative christians" because they may just end up being moral pharisees. And lately, i noticed in the conservatice space atleast, its like an arms race to see who can be the most edgy conservative. Its like theyre virtue signaling by saying "look at how right I am and how wrong they (the left) are!". It almost reminds me of the prayer the pharisee prayed saying that he was glad he wasnt like the tax collector.
Great episode. 🙏
Trent bringing the heat on this one 🔥 great video!!
I am not disregarding African Catholicism, but to say "dont look to Europe for an orthodox Catholicism" seems like you are "cutting bait". To me it is just as silly to say, "don't look to Africa for orthodox Catholicism".
Obviously, European Catholicism is going to be different in some ways from African Catholicism; they are an expression of different cultures, races and their inclinations. Europeans should have the right to defend European expressions of Catholicism in their countries, Africans the same, and Americans also should have this right, without assuming that they are going to be falling in to race idolatry.
Yeah, “look to Africa” is very Boomer Catholicism. Perhaps we Western Christians should fight back for Christendom in our own countries and not rest on out laurels because African Catholicism is doing okay (for now).
Ironically, Cardinal Sarah would disagree with Trent on this topic
Regarding the question of orthodox and vibrant faith (which what he was comparing, Trent is 1000% correct about European vs African Catholicism.
@@emouselOregon "vibrant and orthodox" will look different in Europe and the Americas.
To non Catholics, the singular aspect of the Catholic Church they are aware of is the beautiful artwork of the Renaissance. Abandon that, and the Catholic Church becomes the Baptist Convention but with a ban on birth control and divorce. Sorry, but I don't see that resulting in mass conversions.
Equating conservatism with Christianity and using that as grounds for criticizing political allies who have the audacity to not also share your religious beliefs is not only blasphemous, it’s just downright arrogant.
News flash to all of the politically conservative Christians: if you want to win any future elections, face the fact that the American electorate is no longer in lock step with your religious views. And also, stop trying to restrict the Christian faith to a litmus test of political ideologies.
truth is truth. If you're willing to reject on the most important truth, that Jesus is Lord, you're not completely trustable with secondary or tertiary truths.
Great video! Thanks.
Great topic Trent!
Trent, you mention no-fault divorce as a moral problem right before the 3 minute mark. I understand the issues with no-fault divorce... but I'm a Catholic convert (since college) and the ability to file for a no-fault divorce was a lifesaver for me. I didn't report my ex for physical abuse that began to occur after the wedding because I was ashamed and didn't feel I had enough "proof," and I ultimately left him because I learned that he lied to me and in his Catholic wedding vows (he didn't actually believe in God or intend to follow Church teachings on sexuality, abortion, etc.). I knew that the civil divorce has no true bearing on my marital status as a Catholic, but I needed to get a civil divorce in order to ask a Church tribunal to evaluate my case (which it did, and the purported marriage was found invalid). I'm now free and still fairly young. If I'd had to prove abuse in a court of law, I might still be litigating a civil divorce.
I know the Church has traditionally opposed no-fault civil divorce, but is that actually a binding teaching? Obviously, I am grateful for having gotten through that step fairly quickly so that I could get to the "real court."
What you're doing is like how pro-choice people routinely point to the 2% of cases of risky pregnancies in order to justify their desire to make abortion unrestricted. Similarly, in the riots of 2020 people justified them as righteous anger over George Floyd. We let a specific case of an unarmed person dying in police custody become a justification for thousands of people to loot and vandalize their cities. How many people have lost their jobs or businesses or been robbed or assaulted as a result?
You're doing the same thing in defending no-fault divorce by pointing to a case of abuse happening but there being no evidence of it. Abuse is a cause for divorce already, so wouldn't the thing to do be to improve the system so that it doesn't fail those people rather than using this niche case as a justification for abandoning ALL responsibilities people have to make marriages work? How many children have to grow up in broken homes?
@@patrickbarnes9874 Your reply has been shadow banned for no apparent reason. It can't be seen when you sort comments by Top Comments. It only shows up when you sort by Time.
Then make marriage hard to obtain.
Believing that America should remain a white majority nation or to oppose race mixing does not mean that you view orher races as subhuman.
he is woke
@@snokehusk223 not even. Just kinda liberal.
Why are you sperging on Race?
@@stcolreplover who is sperging?
I just pointed out a rather obvious logical error in Trent’s video.
As a biracial American Catholic this is ridiculous. America is a melting pot, no race is better than the other and it doesn't matter which race is the majority so long as they don't discriminate against the minority and vice versa. There's no reason to oppose race mixing, why do people oppose this? I'm not saying people can't have preferences but the idea of thinking that race mixing is somehow evil is dumb. Am I and my siblings the product of a bad idea, a part of the new world order as some Catholics have even claimed when talking about race mixing? No, that's ridiculous.
Brilliant. In the middle of listening to this, my family sent me a link to sign a petition to ask Netflix to cool it with all the gender bending in kids shows. It opened up an interesting discussion when I shared the points made here. Thank you.
Thanks, Trent. With everything going on in the church right now, I needed this reality check. It's easy to get swallowed up in polemics and to fall in line with one or the other side of the contemporary political divide. I think it's important for people to remember that the Catholic church isn't liberal or conservative; it's Catholic.
You aren't a true friend/ally if you hold your enemies to a higher standard than your friends
Thank u for pointing out Pearl. Been seeing her still lauded by liturgical trad bros (and their wives) and I just smh.
Those guys are just LARPing. -Kyle
@@TheCounselofTrent invite her to ask her about her views, those clips are out of context. I think she will gladly explain what she meant in those clips.
@@theolite360they should have a debate/discussion on the Whatever podcast (just Trent vs Pearl, 1-on-1, not like the other debates that crashed and burned because it was 2-on-2 or 2-on-1) that way they can debate issues on a level playing field instead of having it be an odd power imbalance with him as the interviewer and her as the guest - I feel like it’d be a lot more interesting in the discussion/debate setup. I’d love to see Trent really dig into some of the stuff she’s said, and see if she can actually stick to her values, to me she comes off as major grifter vibes all for attention
@@littledrummergirl_19 in a debate, Trent will defeat her, that is because Trent is a seasoned debater, she is not. Also, I've watched her videos to know that she will gladly concede a point if she is wrong. The reason why I asked Trent to interview her is because, those clips of her are a misrepresentation of what she says in the videos.
The cheat in peace quote was I think from a panel where she says that ladies go after "these stars" and expect them to be like the average man.
This kind of context is why I say Trent is missing a lot from what she is saying.
@theolite360 Trent is supposed to change the rules for "these stars?" Cheating is cheating, no matter the context. Pearl concedes so easily bc she just says stuff for shock value/throws spaghetti at the wall and sheeps away if it doesn't stick.
A much needed video.
Love this!! ❤
Completely agree
I do note that your quotation from Pius XI omitted the clause "however good or necessary these things (viz. Race, the nation, the state) may be" from the clause condemning Nazi race idolatry. I feel this is an important piece of context where the Pope teaches that biological race is not unimportant.
It isn't important in the way we understand it. We see it in this white-black racial dichotomy that isn't sustainable. Frankly, it's only use is to serve race hustlers.
You can even read into the presented quote, "not with undue importance" to show that Pope Pius XI acknolwedged that there is some due level of importance to these things within the natural order -- St. Pius X also has supported a similar position. You can say that distinct races, nations and peoples exist and even that they should generally tend towards their own for mutual peace and cooperation without idolatrizing that fact. The pushback against such an idea is always from those who wish to subvert the natural distinction of peoples (i.e. genuine human diversity) and is far more perniciuous, evil, and widespread on both the left and right than the fringe race idolaters whom Trent is addressing.
Excellent episode.
St Martin de Porres pray for us!
Would you consider people wanting to preserve their culture and ethnicity racist? Ie French people who want to stop immigration to preserve the French people?
yes they are racist
Would you rather be friends with white atheists or black Catholics? Because the Catholics probably share more with your culture than the white atheists
They don't need to stop immigration to do that. They just need to keep their damn borders in order.
Mfw Cardinal Sarah racist for saying immigration will be the death of Europe
Do you think that culture is something that we are born with? If a kid is found and raised in France by French family in French culture, and then in his adulthood we can found that his biological family is 100% Algerian, do you think that his culture is French or Algerian?
Good video Trent!
Another gem from Trent
Btw Trent, I'm suprised you didn't mention Ben Shapiro or Dennis Prager...
he has in the past
th-cam.com/video/Xeg21MjZBYk/w-d-xo.html
Genuine question, what would be an example of a moral stance that either of them hold and an inconsistent political stance?
Type in “Dennis Prager on pornography”
Watch any Ben Shapiro video on Gaza.
Type in “Dennis Prager on pornography”
Watch any Ben Shapiro video on Gaza.
Type in “Dennis Prager on pornography”
Watch any Ben Shapiro video on Gaza.
In the vast oceans of empty suits in the world, rubin's suit might still yet be the absolute emptiest
Rubin helped me awaken to the madness of the left. A journey that led me back to faith. I'm not the only one.
Have some charity for the man, he may yet come to Christ.
@@alisterrebelo9013it's not lacking in charity to point he's an unconsistent mess of a life. If he can't see it himself and everyone cower in admitting it, how is he supposed to notice what's wrong with him?
@@VideaVice25 Neither you nor I can be 100% confident of the intent of the OP. I interpreted the post to be harsh to Rubin, if I'm wrong in that assessment, I'll admit it when OP clarifies.
I didn't say that no one should tell Rubin his life is a mess, I whole heartedly agree with Trent in this video. I'm trying to remind the comments section to remember that people like Rubin who are kind people and still in their sin need an approach that follows up with kindness and charity once they pronounce their sins to them.
Rubin is having to re-learn the OT, and as you would know, many Jews will not touch the NT. It takes a special type of apologist that can reach someone like Rubin. I hope someone like Trent or Jimmy Akin can one day speak with Rubin.
I saw Rubin's show literally almost a decade ago and he was trying to be sort of a third position-ist with a left leaning inclination. His fan base began to lean more right, so he brought on more right leaning guests and the cycle led to him today. He frequently misuses vocabulary, doesn't have a deep understanding of economics or international relations, he's just an average gay guy who realized he could market himself to the right more profitably
@@Gmx92 Thank you for providing some clarification on your position. What is your own view on God and Jesus?
What an EXCELLENT video!
John actually doing things again makes me so happy
we can only be brothers by blood, Christ and life
Conservative movement needs to evaluate what they truly believe and promote.
They are talking out of two sides of their mouth.
@@kingofthorns203 I often say "The conserve line go up on Wall Street."
I love this!!!
I’m a convert to Catholicism and traditionally I’d consider myself a conservative and patriotic American but honestly as I continue to deepen and grow in my faith I see both the American left and right as problematic and I no longer self identify as conservative. My loyalty is to Christ and his one true Church and near as I can tell both sides in America right now are in open defiance of God. Plus I got so fed up with conservatives only complaining and never doing anything or them abandoning their principles as soon as they get a little uncomfortable. Plus Trump is a sticking point for me for so many reasons. I voted for him twice but I can’t and won’t again. And it’s not against him personally, I just have my reasons.
Somehwere between idolizing your race ans whitw guilt is the right answer.
It’s ok to be white.