the specific characteristics of an individual mic, even within the same model, will vary. For a measurement mic, every subtle variation matters, especially since we're deriving a corrective eq curve from it. Sonarworks addresses this by measuring the frequency response of every single mic they send out, and they include a serial code that identifies the measurement results as a 'calibration profile'. When the user is setting up sonar works room eq, the software asks for this code, the matching calibration profile from sonarworks is loaded, and the corrective eq curve is calculated based on the measurement of both the speaker and the microphone. I was wondering If ARC also takes into account variance between mics. If there are no identifiers included with the mic, they're probably using an average curve for the measurement mic model they provide. It's always going to be a little less precise. Practically speaking the result may still be usable, but it just means different people having more variable results
@@digitaldjtips are they though? they seem very similar frequency response wise, while costing 2x as much more. And I've already got a calibration microphone & software
A headphone jack input would also have been nice but understandably that's not really viable anymore with now two independent monitor speakers. All things considered, these are a pro step up from the previous models, being dual amped now and having calibration tools included. I would still consider them niche speakers though, only for people where space and mobility is an absolute priority. Because that same money can get you good monitors with 8" woofers from the likes of Adam, Yamaha, Kali, KRK, Mackie and Tannoy that give you far superior bass output.
Could this be used as a main pair if you live in a small apartment and dont have the proper space or treatment? Or Would sticking to a 5 inch woofer be a better choice?
I use the previous version as main speakers for my TV. Trust me, they have really amazing base and you will not believe that these speakers are so small..
It’s improved here. But still being a very small speaker with lots of LF extension, the bass reflex can be a bit noisy at high levels. This however will not create any issue or limitation when working on audio.
Can you send the sound from the computer via USBc like I can with my USB PC speakers? Also the older version of these speakers had a wire to join up the speakers. I think that was better.
@@easy-photoshop-by-pixiepro This is strange I had a terrible hiss, unbearable in the first version,. I live in Europe where we use 230v power supply. I also saw a video 2 videos from Japan where they use 110v and the speakers also hissed. One of these Japanese guys also got rid of them because of this. I'm talking about the previous version.
@@mnemonic8757 I'm sure that this will be the case with this new version as nobody talk about that issue. Instead, customers just shipping them back. Hiss is the most unbearable and all the companies are ignoring it. TH-camrs also ignoring it.
Just to clarify, the USB-C ports are only for use with the software, I can't use these as monitors for my Mac Studio's output, for example to play music etc? I was looking at these to upgrade a pair of Kanto YU2s and wanted the flexibility of (a) DJ'ing with FLX-4, (b) music production via an audio interface and (c) general listening to TH-cam, Apple Music etc.
is the microphone calibrated? each pieve of equipment will have its own characteristic. Sonarworks includes a calibration profile with the measurement mics in their bundle.
@@digitaldjtips the specific characteristics of an individual mic, even within the same model, will vary. For a measurement mic, every subtle variation matters, especially since we're deriving a corrective eq curve from it. Sonarworks addresses this by measuring the frequency response of every single mic they send out, and they include a serial code that identifies the measurement results as a 'calibration profile'. When the user is setting up sonar works room eq, the software asks for this code, the matching calibration profile from sonarworks is loaded, and the corrective eq curve is calculated based on the measurement of both the speaker and the microphone. I was wondering If ARC also takes into account variance between mics. If there are no identifiers included with the mic, they're probably using an average curve for the measurement mic model they provide. It's always going to be a little less precise. Practically speaking the result may still be usable, but it just means different people having more variable results
@@digitaldjtips the specific characteristics of an individual mic, even within the same model, will vary. For a measurement mic, every subtle variation matters, especially since we're deriving a corrective eq curve from it. Sonarworks addresses this by measuring the frequency response of every single mic before they send them out, and they include a serial code that identifies the measurement results as a 'calibration profile'. When the user is setting up sonar works room eq, the software asks for this code, the matching calibration profile from sonarworks is loaded, and the corrective eq curve is calculated based on the measurement of both the speaker and the microphone. I was wondering If ARC also takes into account variance between mics. If there are no identifiers included with the mic, they're probably using an average curve for the measurement mic model they provide. It's always going to be a little less precise. Practically speaking the result may still be usable, but it just means different people having more variable results
Hi Phil. I'm looking for some speaker advice. I do a radio show on local radio station and I'm looking for some decent speakers . The one I have are basically PC speakers , which although sound ok are a little muffled. I am looking for some suggestion on NOT mega expensive speakers/monitors. My little studio is in the corner of my lounge so they don't need to be mega loud just crisp and clear. Any help or suggestion will be greatly appreciated. Stu
Great video, would you recommend these for desktop gaming usage? I'm looking for the small forum factor and this seems like it would produce good sound. Also, do you need to use two usb ports on your computer to connect the two speakers together? It seems very confusing.
@@digitaldjtips I have the og micro and love them, I'm looking for bigger and less congested sound which allow me to hear details in all frequency for mixing but still making the music enjoyable and less analytical
Interesting, althoug a bit more of a listing of the specs and selling points than listening review. I'm interested in some more in depth comparison to the previous gen as you have them. (I have them too). For instance one of the biggest limitations of these, otherwise great monitors btw, although I had some problems with the (glued on?) baffles producing unwanted resonances in the grilles: the chuffing noise from the forward port at around 50 Hz, which is very audible, even at medium volumes and kinda comes with the horn design I guess to make them go as low as they can for their size. (A genelec 8010 runs out of breath at around 70Hz for comparison) This makes these (well their version 1) monitors' use very limited or even unusable for electronic music or in general if you're working in that frequency range. It seems the same folded horn design and casing. Also the dsp seems to be tuned at cutoff 50Hz again. Any testing on that front?
You're gonna have to look elsewhere for close listening analysis like this I'm afraid, we've switched them out for the old ones in our set-up but I won't have a deep listening opinion until I''ve run them for several weeks
In my understanding the absence of digital inputs on a speaker that is converting any incoming analog signal into a digital signal makes absolutely no sense. I can't understand, what engineers were thinking when constructing these monitors...🤯
@digitaldjtips yes, but that is not what I was aiming at. My question was why there is no digital input on the speakers. It makes no sense to feed the speakers with analog signals because these signal are immediately converted to digital... 🤷 Why analog inputs ?
@@digitaldjtips hmmm....... so it seams you don't have a answer to my question.... 🤔 I think the reason is that there IS no answer to my question.... Iloud made a big mistake in the construction of these monitors and obviously nobody ever realized it..... 🤷
They couldn't have audio input on the USB-C without a DAC. They could have put a cheap one in, but that still would have increased cost. There's no audio interface that outputs analog audio over USB-C, it's not even possible.
to do the inbuilt room correction (flattening the response curve) there has to be a DSP inside the monitors and for processing the incoming analog signal there has to be a DAC inside the monitors.... at least to my understanding..... 🤷
We are in Gibraltar. No idea what they cost in England with it being outside of the US/EU (we usually quote dollars and euros nowadays). Brexit seems to have pushed all prices up for you though!
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I appreciate the review. They are listed here in the US, with the calibration mic, for about $560
Lucky you!
the specific characteristics of an individual mic, even within the same model, will vary. For a measurement mic, every subtle variation matters, especially since we're deriving a corrective eq curve from it. Sonarworks addresses this by measuring the frequency response of every single mic they send out, and they include a serial code that identifies the measurement results as a 'calibration profile'. When the user is setting up sonar works room eq, the software asks for this code, the matching calibration profile from sonarworks is loaded, and the corrective eq curve is calculated based on the measurement of both the speaker and the microphone.
I was wondering If ARC also takes into account variance between mics. If there are no identifiers included with the mic, they're probably using an average curve for the measurement mic model they provide. It's always going to be a little less precise. Practically speaking the result may still be usable, but it just means different people having more variable results
I doubt that. To my ears, for a speaker this size and price, I doubt I could ever tell the difference.
I own the first version and love them. Going to have to check this out!!!!
They're definitely a step up... no Bluetooth though
@@digitaldjtips are they though? they seem very similar frequency response wise, while costing 2x as much more. And I've already got a calibration microphone & software
Thanks for mentioning Scotty from Star Trek! I love Star Trek references.
You bet!
A headphone jack input would also have been nice but understandably that's not really viable anymore with now two independent monitor speakers. All things considered, these are a pro step up from the previous models, being dual amped now and having calibration tools included. I would still consider them niche speakers though, only for people where space and mobility is an absolute priority. Because that same money can get you good monitors with 8" woofers from the likes of Adam, Yamaha, Kali, KRK, Mackie and Tannoy that give you far superior bass output.
Agree 100%
Could this be used as a main pair if you live in a small apartment and dont have the proper space or treatment? Or Would sticking to a 5 inch woofer be a better choice?
yes it could
These would be great for that purpose.
I use the previous version as main speakers for my TV. Trust me, they have really amazing base and you will not believe that these speakers are so small..
How about port noise on this?In OG version it's very annoying.
so a couple of people have said, we never noticed it TBH
It’s improved here. But still being a very small speaker with lots of LF extension, the bass reflex can be a bit noisy at high levels. This however will not create any issue or limitation when working on audio.
Can you send the sound from the computer via USBc like I can with my USB PC speakers? Also the older version of these speakers had a wire to join up the speakers. I think that was better.
No you can’t
How is the hissing and background noise? I can't buy something like that that will have background noise and I know that iLoud has this.
Never had a problem with the old ones and cannot hear any problems on the new ones either
@@digitaldjtips Thank you. Are you using 220V?
@@easy-photoshop-by-pixiepro This is strange I had a terrible hiss, unbearable in the first version,. I live in Europe where we use 230v power supply. I also saw a video 2 videos from Japan where they use 110v and the speakers also hissed. One of these Japanese guys also got rid of them because of this. I'm talking about the previous version.
@@mnemonic8757 I'm sure that this will be the case with this new version as nobody talk about that issue. Instead, customers just shipping them back. Hiss is the most unbearable and all the companies are ignoring it. TH-camrs also ignoring it.
Do you need 2 for a stage piano for home use only, or is one enough. Thanks
No idea, sorry - not our field
@@digitaldjtips
I found the answer. Thanks. You do need both.
Do these have a standby feature with inactivity?
Good question - don't think so.
Do these also suffer from the " high pitched hiss noise" like the Micro's and MTM's ?
Not something we've ever noticed on any of them.
Get review thanks. I notice you have the MTMs behind you.... how do they compare?
MTMs are obviously better, bigger = better!
Can the software and mic that comes with these speakers be used with different type monitors...??
Only other monitors within their range
Just to clarify, the USB-C ports are only for use with the software, I can't use these as monitors for my Mac Studio's output, for example to play music etc? I was looking at these to upgrade a pair of Kanto YU2s and wanted the flexibility of (a) DJ'ing with FLX-4, (b) music production via an audio interface and (c) general listening to TH-cam, Apple Music etc.
You got it right
@@digitaldjtips I might wait to see reviews of the new Adam DV3s in that case, hopefully you’ll review them when they are out mid November.
Buy a apple usb c to 3.5mm... Worderful sound 😅
is the microphone calibrated? each pieve of equipment will have its own characteristic. Sonarworks includes a calibration profile with the measurement mics in their bundle.
Not really sure what you're asking, it is a standard measurement mic and the software does a similar thing to Sonarworks' software.
@@digitaldjtips the specific characteristics of an individual mic, even within the same model, will vary. For a measurement mic, every subtle variation matters, especially since we're deriving a corrective eq curve from it. Sonarworks addresses this by measuring the frequency response of every single mic they send out, and they include a serial code that identifies the measurement results as a 'calibration profile'. When the user is setting up sonar works room eq, the software asks for this code, the matching calibration profile from sonarworks is loaded, and the corrective eq curve is calculated based on the measurement of both the speaker and the microphone.
I was wondering If ARC also takes into account variance between mics. If there are no identifiers included with the mic, they're probably using an average curve for the measurement mic model they provide. It's always going to be a little less precise. Practically speaking the result may still be usable, but it just means different people having more variable results
@@digitaldjtips the specific characteristics of an individual mic, even within the same model, will vary. For a measurement mic, every subtle variation matters, especially since we're deriving a corrective eq curve from it. Sonarworks addresses this by measuring the frequency response of every single mic before they send them out, and they include a serial code that identifies the measurement results as a 'calibration profile'. When the user is setting up sonar works room eq, the software asks for this code, the matching calibration profile from sonarworks is loaded, and the corrective eq curve is calculated based on the measurement of both the speaker and the microphone.
I was wondering If ARC also takes into account variance between mics. If there are no identifiers included with the mic, they're probably using an average curve for the measurement mic model they provide. It's always going to be a little less precise. Practically speaking the result may still be usable, but it just means different people having more variable results
@@digitaldjtips he means whether the microphone has a calibration file, coz calibration microphones differ from each other even within its own model.
Hi Phil.
I'm looking for some speaker advice.
I do a radio show on local radio station and I'm looking for some decent speakers .
The one I have are basically PC speakers , which although sound ok are a little muffled.
I am looking for some suggestion on NOT mega expensive speakers/monitors.
My little studio is in the corner of my lounge so they don't need to be mega loud just crisp and clear.
Any help or suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
Stu
These are good
Great video, would you recommend these for desktop gaming usage? I'm looking for the small forum factor and this seems like it would produce good sound. Also, do you need to use two usb ports on your computer to connect the two speakers together? It seems very confusing.
As long as you're happy to feed analogue audio into them, yes. And yes, you'd need two spare USB sockets on your computer to plug these in.
@@digitaldjtips ... so these speakers can play music from USB port? (I dont need XLR/RCA source, to play music from PC?)
@@kylekyle1665 No
Get the normal versions. The cost less then 1/2 the price..
How would you compare those to a pair of minirig 4?
These are less portable - no batteries for a start
@@digitaldjtips I mean on the audio experience as a portable speakers dj mixing/electronic music producing...
What is the USB-C used for?
Attaching to the desktop app
what are the differences between this and the 1st gen?
These are individually powered, they have the calibration.
Do you think the MTM mkii worth the extra $200 price difference.?
Depends if you want the new features!
@@digitaldjtips I have the og micro and love them, I'm looking for bigger and less congested sound which allow me to hear details in all frequency for mixing but still making the music enjoyable and less analytical
Sir you didn't explain the usb c plug on the back.
We did - it is for plugging in to a laptop to use the calibration software (unfortunately, it is not an audio interface).
These have delay or sufficient for djing?
What channel is this?
Perfect for DJing, zero latency
Interesting, althoug a bit more of a listing of the specs and selling points than listening review. I'm interested in some more in depth comparison to the previous gen as you have them. (I have them too). For instance one of the biggest limitations of these, otherwise great monitors btw, although I had some problems with the (glued on?) baffles producing unwanted resonances in the grilles: the chuffing noise from the forward port at around 50 Hz, which is very audible, even at medium volumes and kinda comes with the horn design I guess to make them go as low as they can for their size. (A genelec 8010 runs out of breath at around 70Hz for comparison) This makes these (well their version 1) monitors' use very limited or even unusable for electronic music or in general if you're working in that frequency range. It seems the same folded horn design and casing. Also the dsp seems to be tuned at cutoff 50Hz again. Any testing on that front?
You're gonna have to look elsewhere for close listening analysis like this I'm afraid, we've switched them out for the old ones in our set-up but I won't have a deep listening opinion until I''ve run them for several weeks
In my understanding the absence of digital inputs on a speaker that is converting any incoming analog signal into a digital signal makes absolutely no sense.
I can't understand, what engineers were thinking when constructing these monitors...🤯
Nearly all consumer speakers have DSPs in them nowadays.
@digitaldjtips yes, but that is not what I was aiming at. My question was why there is no digital input on the speakers. It makes no sense to feed the speakers with analog signals because these signal are immediately converted to digital... 🤷
Why analog inputs ?
@@digitaldjtips hmmm....... so it seams you don't have a answer to my question.... 🤔
I think the reason is that there IS no answer to my question....
Iloud made a big mistake in the construction of these monitors and obviously nobody ever realized it..... 🤷
They couldn't have audio input on the USB-C without a DAC. They could have put a cheap one in, but that still would have increased cost. There's no audio interface that outputs analog audio over USB-C, it's not even possible.
to do the inbuilt room correction (flattening the response curve) there has to be a DSP inside the monitors and for processing the incoming analog signal there has to be a DAC inside the monitors.... at least to my understanding..... 🤷
Stand by?
Am I wrong but I thought DSP’s were a no no in speakers for DJing
Not necessarily, just latency-adding ones.
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no bluetooth, the originals have bluetooth.. that's kind of sucks
these are individually powered so I guess that means it's harder to have linked BT.
@@digitaldjtipsbose can do it
@@digitaldjtipsis there no way of hooking both up to a Bluetooth adaptor?
first
Second
Sounds English, studio I assume is in the states as using dollars $ 🤔.... GBP £ would be nice. 🤨
We are in Gibraltar. No idea what they cost in England with it being outside of the US/EU (we usually quote dollars and euros nowadays). Brexit seems to have pushed all prices up for you though!
@@digitaldjtips ahh. indeed. greatful for the update reply. understand 👍