If not Emily Blunt as Sue Storm then Alice Eve or Bryce Dallas Howard as Sue Storm. Dash Mihok (Ray Donovan) as Ben Grimm. Tanner Buchanan (Cobra Kai) as Johnny Storm. And Cillian Murphy as Doctor Doom.
I think placing them "out of time" is the only way it'll make sense. We don't WANT to see yet another FF origin story... just like the X-Men. I just want them to already be fleshed out... which they already are from past movies. Unfortunately, the Fantastic Four would need to be established in the past and reintroduced in the present. Janet, the OG Wasp, could be the way we find them because I do think Dr Strange will go LOOKING for Reed Richards thinking there should be one in this universe - only to find out they went missing in the 60s... enter the Ant-Man squad. They'll find them in the Quantum Realm and bring them home.
Agreed! Also, since Kang is going to be in the Ant-Man movie, they could say that he imprisoned the Fantastic Four in the realm because they would become a threat to him later. But he doesn't kill them because this version of Kang assumes that if Reed and Sue dies, he would no longer exist. As for the X-Men. They could introduce them the same way in the comics. Where Professor X is using his telepathy and resources to keep mutants a secret. Until a huge event happens that he decideds to no longer do it
I think it will be even simpler than that. They will bring the Fantastic 4 into Earth-616 in Secret Wars, along with others like the X-Men characters. And they will be here permanently by the end.
@@JRF32100 Yeah, that's what I think they'll end up doing - which I actually wouldn't mind, at least we won't have to go thru another origin story plot. But dangit I still need to know why there are no mutants in 616.
@@mageeaaron2624 THIS is why I feel the way I do. They have everything already established. Janet living in the Quantum Realm (and evolving), the ease of getting there, the dome city, Kang's announcement in AntMan3, FF movie in development, Reed Richards in DS2:MOM (and using Kang tech)... They just gotta get the story right so that it all makes sense. Hell... Pym could be the one Doctor Strange ends up speaking to because he was the OG AntMan from their time.
I don't understand at ALL how people could hate John as Reed!! And how can you judge his whole 5mins of screen time. He looked pretty damn great and would love to see him play with the roll more. More so with him also directing
All people who have played Reed Richards have looked accurate. The only problem I'm seeing with him is those idiotic additional black squares on his suit. Also where are you hearing any of this, the internet?
From what I’ve seen, most are fine with the casting but HATE the writing of Reed Richards’ character. People sarcastically say that Krazinski’s Reed is the most r*tarded incarnation of Mr. Fantastic in the entire multiverse.
I think the idea would work better if they were just ordinary Astronauts before they disappeared. Their Experimental StarkTech spaceship got sucked through a wormhole during which they get exposed to gamma radiation getting there powers, and when they pop out on the other side they have an adventure with like the Scrulls or something (maybe teasing Super Scrull in the post credit scene who is the baddie in part 3; obviously Dr. Doom will be the baddie in part 2) then find a portal back to earth only to discover that several decades have passed. Less Lost in Space and more Buck Rogers.
I think it could be interesting if the Fantastic Four was set in the early 2000’s so they can be the first team without being out of time. They can be stuck in space or somewhere else.
I always thought that the fantastic four didnt get snapped and reed and tony even knowing each other. Reed could even visit and congratulate Tony and Pepper about Morgan, before he announces that him and the rest are going to be in space for awhile
It would be cool if Richards helps vision regain his old self- i mean, all he has to do is reintegrate a mind stone from the offices where Loki is temping..
White Vision already knows his history he just has no emotional connection to it. I think it would be more interesting if he rediscovers that as time goes on naturally without any Infinity Stone shenanigans.
I want a Dr. Doom Disney+ show that explores his backstory. He has such a rich story, I think it would be great to see him exploring Earth and seeking knowledge and power to build him up as a dark parallel to Reed. Plus it would be cool to see a major and reoccurring villain built up in the MCU the same way the heroes are
Based on what you’ve said; a Fantastic Four Disney+ show would be the way to do it. From how you talk about it, the Fantastic Four aren’t or shouldn’t be too action oriented (which makes sense considering the powers, so I don’t know that a movie makes that much sense.
@@suisui7481 Are they still going? I pretty much associate TFF with boomers and the older comic book crowd. Even when I was a kid I found them to be the most boring super heroes I could choose from.
@@kemsat-n6h ok so what happened is when Sony started making fantastic four movies, marvel writers basically had the FF family with the future foundation go into the negative zone and like explore other universes and basically they vanished from the comics for a long while, then in 2018 they came back in an epic return. Also the FF are very imp for a lot of the huge plots and even smaller ones especially with the evil reed richards and so. do try to read them again and see if you resonate more with them
The FF started the Marvel Age of comics, and laid the foundation for so much. Those characters and their stories, if done correctly, are phenomenal. The Kirby/ Stan Lee and John Byrne runs of their comics were incredible. They were hardly BORING! They just weren't given the proper treatment by Fox. Hopefully the MCU finally gets them done fantastically. Pun intended.
I really want Doom to be a stand alone movie that is built up to. He needs space and time and has more then enough story to pull off even a big screen feature. The Fantastic Four, I just think they can wait and maybe even not be a stand alone all at once story. Maybe get Reid out of where ever and work on building out the rest over time.
Oh hey, I was the one who made the fan poster used for the background of this thumbnail! That's cool, I've been loving these Screen Crush videos for a long while!
Why not combine both ideas and have a retro 1960s fantastic 4 adrift in the galaxy they are exploring. For Reed Richards to be impressive he really needs to have some really cool technology that's more advanced even in the alien technology we've seen, so it would make sense if he has been exposed to alien technology and learned from it. They could introduce them in the next Captain Marvel film.
Make it 80's FF, with the kids. They could have been a super hero family from the 80's that people don't talk about much anymore. It makes since. The FF is usually fighting in space or in other dimensions.
When I was little, my dad's favorite comics were Fantastic 4 and Spider-Man. I grew up with them. I totally enjoy seeing these stories brought to the big screen in such dynamic fashion. Anyone who hates on superhero movies is just, well, a hater.
I think Krazinski being Reed Richards in MOM was a one and done, but I can see him writing or directing for sure. I also think Strange's line "Didn't you guys chart in the 60s?" is more than just a small or insignificant line. And it's going to be how the F4 end up being in the MCU. Also explains their absence from the MCU. Or it's just that band thing?
I hope you are right. I just don't see or want him or his wife in the movie or anything to do with the film . I just don't buy him as R.R. Hopefully I'm not the only one that feels this way
most likely a band thing. Strange was poking fun at all of the illumanti's names as they were being called out. (blackagar boltagar and stephen's pig latin retort)
@@marx3379 Thats what the writers were going for but it makes a great explanation for why they are just showing up and makes the movie easy to do. just tell the original origin story from the 60s. Fits the accuracy thing theyve been going for more in this phase and for once their complete lack of interaction with other heros in their solo would make some sense too
@@randymarshusa2928 I'd be fine with that. If what I read is true, had they used Paul Rudd's concept for the next Ant Man movie, we would have seen AIM and Modok.
I really like the idea of the FF being from the 60's and having been frozen in time or skipped forward about sixty years somehow. It gives an interesting and easy to follow character arc for Reed, Sue and Johnny as they adjust to having lost out on over half a century. It would also be very different from what happened with cap as they not only have each other but didn't lose quite as much time.
To me its pretty obvious how they'll enter. After Reed was introduced in MoM, Strange asked " Didn't you guys chart in the 60's?" We all saw the city bubble in the Quantum Realm. Janet gained powers from being there so long, which may likely be the reason for theirs as well. They've been there the whole time and my guess is the events of Ant-Man 3 will free them
I think they could be the next corner stone too and I hope they are since they can open us up to soooo much. I also think that John Krasinski could be a good motivating face for the MCU just like RDJ was.
I’m pretty sure the “charting in the 60s” comment is a call back to Strange’s incredible memory for music chart toppers and that there was a soul group out of Detroit called “the Fantastic Four” that *did* chart.
The teleportation Reed Richards uses and what the TVA use are similar because it was Reed who invented it and was then expanded upon centuries later by his descendent Nathanial Richards...who is Kang and He Who Remains.
My lifetime love of the Fantastic Four is disturbing. The fun quotient of The Incredibles and Brady Bunch (!) movies makes me excited for the '60s take. But I trust Fiege, so I'll just wait and be deliriously happy with what I get :)
If they were to be inhabitants of the MCU, it would make far more sense to use the Ultimate Marvel version of them because using the normal versions this late in development wouldnt be right. Plus the whole thing going on in MCU now about bringing any younger Heroes. And if the executives don't meddle too much, you could get some real juice out of Ben suicidal depression, as long as it's not being done as to send the message to people
Those video got me really excited. I haven't been able to dream up a NARRATIVE reason why the FF should be in the MCU, and I like Ryan's idea a lot. They could be the first proactive characters who embrace the new world of aliens, gods, and magic. All MCU heros so far react to crises and save the day. The FF could instead explore the unlimited possibilities offered by this new era. No more, "The world is changing..." but instead. "Let's go change the world!"
What also makes sense, is that because Mordo is the sorcerer surpreme in that universe. He could have the time stone and saw all of this coming, that's why Mordo wasn't there to fight and isn't dead. because now he can reverse time and make the Illuminati be alive again, including Reed Richards. In my opinion this makes sense.
Besides Adam warlock when has marvel ever introduced or talked about a character and never brought them up again? But even with that one example I gave Adam will show up soon, soo
The teams origin should see them working with SHIELD to unlock the powers of the Tesseract (just before Avengers 2012) Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny are all working on replicating the device that Zola used in First Avenger. Their first device test is deemed a tragedy by SHIELD as the whole team disappears after the machine malfunctions during the test. However, it was a success and the four of them are transported to another dimension/universe. From here the team try in vain to recreate the device and travel back home, only to bounce from reality to reality. It’s during these trips through dozens of different universes they encounter Kang and become the inspiration for his own pursuit of multiverse travel. This origin will explain where they have been this whole time and justify Reed being so smart as he’s spend the last decade learning all there is to know from alien and future civilisations in an attempt to get his family home.
Honestly, I’d prefer your idea over the Quantum Realm “from the 60’s” idea. I don’t want The First Avenger all over again, the MCU is repetitive enough as it is.
Best introduction of F4 would be...way back in 60s they were sent to a space mission for exploration and through worm hole they trapped on a planet far from earth like interstellar....there their age doesn't age like on earth 🌎. On a mission of saving something Captain Marvel find them helpless and turned superheroes fantastic 4s. Where she fights them and after defeating them and bring them on earth 616 like she brought tony stark. Also for X-men....Some powerful mutant had said in past - No more mutants and all mutants doesn't exist on 616. it could be Older Jean Grey 🥤 but Some villain from multiverse Uses genetics to make colonies in many universes of mutants. This way he/she plants mutants in 616 too. But instant of his/her puppets he/she got Good mutants and faught back to defeat evil ones and him/her too 🥤
Every F4 director after Kevin feige's requisite MCU binge, pertinent comic book reading, and overlook on the broad spectrum of TH-cam MCU theorists, and a sprinkle of Twitter: yeah nah bruh
I love John Krasinski but I really didn't want him to be Mr Fantastic. I think I'm fairly alone in that opinion though lol. I think there'd have been a riot if he didn't get the role. You raise a good point though about fan casting. I'm worried that fan casting is becoming too much of a thing to the point that huge groups are furious if their preferred fan casting didn't happen. I trust Marvel 's casting. Loads of people thought RDJ, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth were terrible choices when they were announced but now they're seen as perfect casting. It's great that fans are listened to but I think people need to stop pushing their fan casting so hard.
Again…the Krasinskis would be perfect in F4. Throw out fan casting & you have 2 ppl absolutely typecasted for RR & Sue. Why do ppl keep pidgeonholing John as ONLY Jim. It’s like only seeing Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow when he is such a diverse Actor. Move on already.
Honestly, with how packed the cast of the MCU is, and the stories leading up to a multiverse war, they could have some of the MCU movies in the future be in a completely different universe, having the fantastic four and X-Men possibly not even interact with hardly any of the current MCU cast until the crossover event. Or any Other characters that would have been difficult to fit in current MCU for chronological reasons like Miles Morales
We'd be lucky to get J.Q for Reed but if we do then you can count out Emily Blunt, the way their film life works is 1 of them films while the other is home E. B made this clear after their last collaboration I doubt we'll see her 🤷🏻♂️
The Fantastic Four have always been my favorite team in Marvel Comics. Thanks for making this video to show how important they are to the Marvel universe.
Having the F4 assumed to be lost in space/dead after a freak accident, but then somehow arriving back on earth with powers would easily work getting them into the MCU. They could tie it with Howard Stark maybe assisting Reed Richards with the rocket they use, to give us a little connection to characters we know and love.
With Marvel digging deeper into Cosmic.... you need a FF around as the eyes/ears of the MCU. A S.W.O.R.D sponsored exploration team that becomes public after a mishap. A 5-6 episode annual series on Disney+ in between cameos by individual members could work.
This has nothing to do with the fantastic four but i rewatched Loki and got to thinking does the TVA deal with anything off earth like I know the whole purpose was to keep other kangs from being created but wouldn’t at least some off world stuff cause that as well
I could see a F4 film doing something similar to Captain Marvel or Captain America in how they start the story in one time but then end it in present day. Steve gets frozen, and Danvers goes off to fight bad guys in other parts of the galaxy. With the first family it could be that they have been around the whole time but have been fighting threats from the quantum realm (Such as Kang) and we know from Scott that "time works differently in the quantum realm" and as such they've been trapped there for years (our time) but only really days (their time) Scenario two, which I think would also be very on brand, involves Reed creating some sort of light speed engine that malfunctions and leaves them flying away from earth at relativistic speeds that means that decades pass on earth while only a few weeks or even months pass for them on the ship. Maybe the ship and drive they built is related to the one that Mar-Vell was working on. Also, it could be that the malfunction they experience ties back to how they got their powers. Again similar to carols origin. Scenario 3 is they exist now, and get their powers in the present day through some freak accident
I hope Reed isnt a "Tech" guy like designing his own machines like Stark was. There has to be boundaries on intelligence. You can be a "smart" without being an expert on everything. Im tired of genius labels covering every academic discipline.
Earth-838 Sue Storm contacts her late husband's 616 variant as her world is destroyed by an Incursion. She inspires our non-superheroic, scientist Reed to form an FF in the MCU. He spends two years cracking the multiverse through science, rather than magic. The 616 FF's powers are derived from the multiverse, allowing Ben to revert to human form at any time. They operate as covert ops heroes, dealing with multiverse threats using ONLY science. Doctor Doom at one point ransacks all 3 Sanctums, killing Wong, and usurping the role of Sorcerer Supreme. BOOM that's the movie
so, _lost in space_ meets _fantastic four_ ? _cool!_ (oh, and if they really do F4, they should do Power Pack, too - very good, but very underrated, imho)
I gotta say, when there John Krasinski fancast first arrived, I didn't think he could portray intelligence, as most of his characters I know of aren't exactly scientists. But after watching MoM, I'd say he'd do a fantastic Reed Richards
Reed Richards was a student of Hank Pym in Pymtech later working with Darren cross on the quantum realm but due to some accident the team gets trapped in the quantum realm and develop powers and living in one of those cities shown in ant man. Scott and hank pym will meet them and Darren cross(now as modok) and fight against kang.
Seeing how I haven't seen Dr. Strange 2 yet, It would be interesting if they do it the way spider-man was done... but since we have a variant of Reed Richards, which means they could be involved in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumanium which then leads into their own movie. But It would have been better if they were involved in the Infinity War or at least mentioned or a wink.
Here's my fancast Krasinski and Blunt are a given for Reed and Sue no doubt. Zac Efron or Dacre Montgomrey for Johnny. Now for Ben/Thing i've always wanted David Harbour. I know he's Red Guardian, but if Gemma Chan and Mchelle Yeoh can play two characters so can Harbour, but alternatives would be either Liev Schreiber, Jason Segel or Jesse Plemons. As for Doom i would love GOT's Nikolaj Waldau or LOTR's Viggo Mortensen.
Problem with adapting FF to movies is that, as a monthly comic, they had the time to go on crazy adventures on Earth and space and the Microverse and the Negative Zone while also having plenty of time to fight Doctor Doom and the Mole Man. We can only get a new movie every 3 or 4 years, so they can only focus on one aspect or the other .
Since Reed is basically a descendant of kang the conqueror in the comics and is related to him, what if the mcu might do their own take by making Reed a variant of Kang the conqueror/he who remains but only the fact that reed is a hero. Plus, he who remains explained his origin in loki which was similar to kang's/reed's origin in the comics and this might be shown in more detail later in the mcu
They should have been doing a slow background build over time, and maybe there's still time. They aren't mutants so there's no need for a drastic introduction or time displacement. They can have TV in the background on National Geographic talking about gamma rays in space on Mrs. Marvel, linger on a newspaper headline about an experimental space study lead by top scientist Reed Richards in Wakanda Forever, and then a news special report about a shuttle incident involving the so called "Fantastic 4" in Quantumania. There are more organic ways of introducing new characters than just a ham fisted introduction in a single movie.
I get the Blunt Krasinski pairing but someone mentioned Seth Rogan and Zac Efron as The Thing and the Human Torch and now I can't get it out of my head haha
@@IAmMightyMike Doesn't matter. I never said he should be ashamed. I said he doesn't' have an astronauts body. You are the one shaming him. Lost weight or not he's still not in shape. Astronauts run miles and work out.
@@IAmMightyMike Who is shaming people? Oh yeah you, because you are saying that since Rogan doesn't have the build of an astronaut, he's shameful. Check yourself.
i just hope they don't racebend them, coming from a black guy here. I'm so done with that stunt. Also it would be cool to have Tom's spidey and Johnny Storm have a little rivalry.
Why not have the 60s and getting trapped in the negative zone or something be their origin: but it doesn’t have to be the main focus of their movie. Movie takes place when they make it out in MCU present day
Tf you mean "how"? It's obvious, we only saw Earth-838 Reed. The next time we see him (whether he's still Krasinski or another actor) and the rest of the F4 they'll be on Earth-616.
it be best for them to skip the origin story and just go into the idea that reed is looking for a way to help to turn his family back- but shit hits the fan and hijinks ensue.
Bro you can say the version of Ultron that reed built was good, But I don’t trust like that.. The way he said “submit to ultron” right before Wanda killed one of him.
IMO, the best scenario for both the F4 and the X-men would be the following: F4 - As others have pointed out, making them have an accident in space that placed them "out of time" works X-men - They are already on Earth, but Charles used his powers and Cerebro to make everyone forget about the existence of mutants Doing some Multiverse shenanigans would be too messy IMO
A 60s space race FF film could intro Marvel's First Family, Doom, Latveria (I can imagine Latveria being a sort of Cold War Yugoslavia, broken up upon Doom's return into Sokovia and other lands) and Adam Brashear (played by John Boyega if I had my way). Having them stuck for 9 hours in the Negative Zone, in a battle with Annihilus and the Annihilation Wave/Cosmic Control Rod could not only account for their absence and return, but could really set up, for the first time, the grounded, nuanced, arrogant and powerful (through both science and sorcery) Victor Von Doom.
I want the dr doom reed Richard’s relationship to be like magneto and Charles nemesis but respect and love each other don’t want the other dead persay just neutralised as they try to achieve their independent goals
I don’t think Reed built the Ultron bots. It was probably Tony or Hanj Pym and in that universe Ultron didn’t go angry. It wasn’t that Tony isn’t as smart as Reed which he isn’t but that the mind stone was probably not anywhere near Ultron. And who knows Ultron could’ve gone ballistic but Reed and others took his bots and reprogrammed them
I would have them as part of their own parallel earth, separate from any seen prior. I would open with Dr Doom invading the TVA, downloading their computer files and collecting technology & artifacts. The TVA seeks out the Fantastic Four, Doom’s natural antagonists, to restore order. Loki could call up Avengers, Kang could call up X-men and Sophie could up others. An all out battle for control of the TVA would ensure.
It should be like the council of reed’s should be like the council of Rick’s in Rick and morty!!! Making sure that there should be one f4 family in all universes!!!
If Reed Richards is considered the "smartest man alive" then why was Hank Pym dubbed Scientist Supreme in the comics because of his superior intellect 🤔 Reed didn't get chosen for that honor.
Who do you want to play the Fantastic Four?
Ur mom
EMILY BLUNT as invisible woman
Bryan Cranston as doom
Sue Storm (her wife), Johnny Storm (idk), The Thing (Michael Chiklis aka Origin F4) 😄😄👍
If not Emily Blunt as Sue Storm then Alice Eve or Bryce Dallas Howard as Sue Storm. Dash Mihok (Ray Donovan) as Ben Grimm. Tanner Buchanan (Cobra Kai) as Johnny Storm. And Cillian Murphy as Doctor Doom.
Omg Brian Cranston as Dr. Doom would be phenomenal.
I think placing them "out of time" is the only way it'll make sense. We don't WANT to see yet another FF origin story... just like the X-Men. I just want them to already be fleshed out... which they already are from past movies. Unfortunately, the Fantastic Four would need to be established in the past and reintroduced in the present. Janet, the OG Wasp, could be the way we find them because I do think Dr Strange will go LOOKING for Reed Richards thinking there should be one in this universe - only to find out they went missing in the 60s... enter the Ant-Man squad. They'll find them in the Quantum Realm and bring them home.
Agreed, please no origin movie
Agreed! Also, since Kang is going to be in the Ant-Man movie, they could say that he imprisoned the Fantastic Four in the realm because they would become a threat to him later. But he doesn't kill them because this version of Kang assumes that if Reed and Sue dies, he would no longer exist. As for the X-Men. They could introduce them the same way in the comics. Where Professor X is using his telepathy and resources to keep mutants a secret. Until a huge event happens that he decideds to no longer do it
I think it will be even simpler than that. They will bring the Fantastic 4 into Earth-616 in Secret Wars, along with others like the X-Men characters. And they will be here permanently by the end.
@@JRF32100 Yeah, that's what I think they'll end up doing - which I actually wouldn't mind, at least we won't have to go thru another origin story plot. But dangit I still need to know why there are no mutants in 616.
@@mageeaaron2624 THIS is why I feel the way I do. They have everything already established. Janet living in the Quantum Realm (and evolving), the ease of getting there, the dome city, Kang's announcement in AntMan3, FF movie in development, Reed Richards in DS2:MOM (and using Kang tech)... They just gotta get the story right so that it all makes sense. Hell... Pym could be the one Doctor Strange ends up speaking to because he was the OG AntMan from their time.
I don't understand at ALL how people could hate John as Reed!! And how can you judge his whole 5mins of screen time. He looked pretty damn great and would love to see him play with the roll more. More so with him also directing
All people who have played Reed Richards have looked accurate. The only problem I'm seeing with him is those idiotic additional black squares on his suit. Also where are you hearing any of this, the internet?
IKR The Krasinskis both being in F4 would be Epic
From what I’ve seen, most are fine with the casting but HATE the writing of Reed Richards’ character. People sarcastically say that Krazinski’s Reed is the most r*tarded incarnation of Mr. Fantastic in the entire multiverse.
@@UndertakerU2ber I agree hon. The script is imperative.
Yes he fits the part by looks but that reed being the smartest man in the world. That universe must have been filled with idiots
I'm really liking the theory where Defender Strange was actually the Dr Strange from the Raimiverse
Lmaooo
Tbh that is a dope theory cause I was wondering why he didn’t reference the Spider-Man 2 line at all
I think the idea would work better if they were just ordinary Astronauts before they disappeared. Their Experimental StarkTech spaceship got sucked through a wormhole during which they get exposed to gamma radiation getting there powers, and when they pop out on the other side they have an adventure with like the Scrulls or something (maybe teasing Super Scrull in the post credit scene who is the baddie in part 3; obviously Dr. Doom will be the baddie in part 2) then find a portal back to earth only to discover that several decades have passed. Less Lost in Space and more Buck Rogers.
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Gotta have Surfer and Galactus down the line…tho maybe that’s an Avenger level threat
I think it could be interesting if the Fantastic Four was set in the early 2000’s so they can be the first team without being out of time. They can be stuck in space or somewhere else.
Reed richards is funding his search with a gofundme, with various... stretch goals!
I always thought that the fantastic four didnt get snapped and reed and tony even knowing each other. Reed could even visit and congratulate Tony and Pepper about Morgan, before he announces that him and the rest are going to be in space for awhile
yeah like they can be stuck in a quantum realm.
@@nioxic77 - I wish I could post that gif of Orson Welles clapping.
@@markwootson5550 That's a good idea! Ppl are completely overlooking why Kang is appearing in Ant-man so I'm glad someone's brining it up.
It would be cool if Richards helps vision regain his old self- i mean, all he has to do is reintegrate a mind stone from the offices where Loki is temping..
White Vision already knows his history he just has no emotional connection to it. I think it would be more interesting if he rediscovers that as time goes on naturally without any Infinity Stone shenanigans.
@@DoubleO88 that’s a good point
Vision Quest
Prediction: Black Panther 2 will have an end credit cameo by Dr. Doom.
No thanks
@@bmla88 The place where Steven Wakes up in Moon Knight is implied to be Latveria and the Word Von D. make a cameo in the cupcake truck
@@matthewboyd68 it’s already been confirmed that it’s not doom
Still wouldn't watch it.
@@matthewboyd68 No Like Doom would let that cult in his country. He would have had Harrow fed to his lion.
The Fantastic 4 movies that came out in the early 2000s were awesome! That shite they realesed a few years ago, was just that, shite!
I want a Dr. Doom Disney+ show that explores his backstory. He has such a rich story, I think it would be great to see him exploring Earth and seeking knowledge and power to build him up as a dark parallel to Reed. Plus it would be cool to see a major and reoccurring villain built up in the MCU the same way the heroes are
Yes dude Dr.Doom is my top 3 favorite characters in marvel
These are the Disney+ shows we need.
Based on what you’ve said; a Fantastic Four Disney+ show would be the way to do it. From how you talk about it, the Fantastic Four aren’t or shouldn’t be too action oriented (which makes sense considering the powers, so I don’t know that a movie makes that much sense.
yeah but marvel knows that FF are a household name and their 1st MCU outing being a show would not be good financially
@@suisui7481 Are they still going? I pretty much associate TFF with boomers and the older comic book crowd. Even when I was a kid I found them to be the most boring super heroes I could choose from.
@@kemsat-n6h ok so what happened is when Sony started making fantastic four movies, marvel writers basically had the FF family with the future foundation go into the negative zone and like explore other universes and basically they vanished from the comics for a long while, then in 2018 they came back in an epic return. Also the FF are very imp for a lot of the huge plots and even smaller ones especially with the evil reed richards and so. do try to read them again and see if you resonate more with them
The FF started the Marvel Age of comics, and laid the foundation for so much. Those characters and their stories, if done correctly, are phenomenal. The Kirby/ Stan Lee and John Byrne runs of their comics were incredible. They were hardly BORING! They just weren't given the proper treatment by Fox. Hopefully the MCU finally gets them done fantastically. Pun intended.
I really want Doom to be a stand alone movie that is built up to. He needs space and time and has more then enough story to pull off even a big screen feature. The Fantastic Four, I just think they can wait and maybe even not be a stand alone all at once story. Maybe get Reid out of where ever and work on building out the rest over time.
No. Doom should be treated like Vader. Have him show up being a mystery and beating the heroes before you blow the lid off him in another movie.
One doesn’t experience self transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates__🎈
COOL
Oh hey, I was the one who made the fan poster used for the background of this thumbnail! That's cool, I've been loving these Screen Crush videos for a long while!
They were S.W.O.R.D. agents who went to space and got superpowers, simple as that
Boring
No thanks
S.W.O.R.D agents who were captured and experimented on by rebel Skrulls attempting to merge multiple races together and make a super Skrull
They were blah blah blah snore
Could work
Why not combine both ideas and have a retro 1960s fantastic 4 adrift in the galaxy they are exploring. For Reed Richards to be impressive he really needs to have some really cool technology that's more advanced even in the alien technology we've seen, so it would make sense if he has been exposed to alien technology and learned from it. They could introduce them in the next Captain Marvel film.
Make it 80's FF, with the kids. They could have been a super hero family from the 80's that people don't talk about much anymore. It makes since. The FF is usually fighting in space or in other dimensions.
When I was little, my dad's favorite comics were Fantastic 4 and Spider-Man. I grew up with them. I totally enjoy seeing these stories brought to the big screen in such dynamic fashion. Anyone who hates on superhero movies is just, well, a hater.
I think Krazinski being Reed Richards in MOM was a one and done, but I can see him writing or directing for sure. I also think Strange's line "Didn't you guys chart in the 60s?" is more than just a small or insignificant line. And it's going to be how the F4 end up being in the MCU. Also explains their absence from the MCU. Or it's just that band thing?
I hope you are right. I just don't see or want him or his wife in the movie or anything to do with the film . I just don't buy him as R.R.
Hopefully I'm not the only one that feels this way
thats where Ive gone F4 need to be a 60s period movie
I think Krasinski will come back and I hope he does as there is gonna be a Fantastic 4 movie
most likely a band thing. Strange was poking fun at all of the illumanti's names as they were being called out. (blackagar boltagar and stephen's pig latin retort)
@@marx3379 Thats what the writers were going for but it makes a great explanation for why they are just showing up and makes the movie easy to do. just tell the original origin story from the 60s. Fits the accuracy thing theyve been going for more in this phase and for once their complete lack of interaction with other heros in their solo would make some sense too
Rainn Wilson as Dr Doom.
"Identity theft is not a joke Reed!"
Rain Wilson would be great as Modok
@@randymarshusa2928 I'd be fine with that. If what I read is true, had they used Paul Rudd's concept for the next Ant Man movie, we would have seen AIM and Modok.
It woud be so crazy if they have Cris Evans to play a cameo human torch at some point of the multiverse, like a Steve´s grandson or so
Agreed on explorers: Lost in Space is the vibe. Trek is the vibe.
He was insinuating that they were a band in the 60s
That photo at 8:44 of Cap and Sam about to clash always sends shivers down my spine
I really like the idea of the FF being from the 60's and having been frozen in time or skipped forward about sixty years somehow. It gives an interesting and easy to follow character arc for Reed, Sue and Johnny as they adjust to having lost out on over half a century. It would also be very different from what happened with cap as they not only have each other but didn't lose quite as much time.
I thought "didn't you chart in the 60s?" was a reference to the Beatles, the "fab four", and Stephen was being his snarky music buff self.
To me its pretty obvious how they'll enter. After Reed was introduced in MoM, Strange asked " Didn't you guys chart in the 60's?" We all saw the city bubble in the Quantum Realm. Janet gained powers from being there so long, which may likely be the reason for theirs as well. They've been there the whole time and my guess is the events of Ant-Man 3 will free them
Chart in the 60s is probably a reference to the 1960 musical The Fantasticks by Tom Jones.
@@MrBazBake Two things could be equally true maybe🤷🏾♂️
krasinski and rudd in the same movie and it isnt a comedy
I want silver surfer and Galactus to not just be a 4 threat but an Avengers threat too
Now that Tony Stark is gone, Reed should become the central character of the MCU.
I think they could be the next corner stone too and I hope they are since they can open us up to soooo much. I also think that John Krasinski could be a good motivating face for the MCU just like RDJ was.
At this point doctor strange kinda is the new face of the mcu
I’m pretty sure the “charting in the 60s” comment is a call back to Strange’s incredible memory for music chart toppers and that there was a soul group out of Detroit called “the Fantastic Four” that *did* chart.
I thought it was just a Beatles joke, since they were the Fab Four
It could also be a reference to The Beatles AKA the Fab Four
@@skindreads Strange is a music nerd. He wouldn’t use the Beatles nickname when he has a chance to flex his music knowledge.
@@jcboyle82 what, he'd rather make a joke that no one gets? I don't think so
@@DaviesKirk Yes. Yes he would if he could flex while doing it.
I hope Krasinski is the main mcu Reed Richards
The teleportation Reed Richards uses and what the TVA use are similar because it was Reed who invented it and was then expanded upon centuries later by his descendent Nathanial Richards...who is Kang and He Who Remains.
Reed: john krasinski
Sue: emily blunt
Johnny: dacre montgomery
Ben: seth rogen
My lifetime love of the Fantastic Four is disturbing. The fun quotient of The Incredibles and Brady Bunch (!) movies makes me excited for the '60s take. But I trust Fiege, so I'll just wait and be deliriously happy with what I get :)
If they were to be inhabitants of the MCU, it would make far more sense to use the Ultimate Marvel version of them because using the normal versions this late in development wouldnt be right. Plus the whole thing going on in MCU now about bringing any younger Heroes. And if the executives don't meddle too much, you could get some real juice out of Ben suicidal depression, as long as it's not being done as to send the message to people
Those video got me really excited. I haven't been able to dream up a NARRATIVE reason why the FF should be in the MCU, and I like Ryan's idea a lot. They could be the first proactive characters who embrace the new world of aliens, gods, and magic. All MCU heros so far react to crises and save the day. The FF could instead explore the unlimited possibilities offered by this new era. No more, "The world is changing..." but instead. "Let's go change the world!"
I like to think of his appearance in the movie as a screen test. We can still get him as reed Richard’s from another earth
What also makes sense, is that because Mordo is the sorcerer surpreme in that universe. He could have the time stone and saw all of this coming, that's why Mordo wasn't there to fight and isn't dead. because now he can reverse time and make the Illuminati be alive again, including Reed Richards. In my opinion this makes sense.
Besides Adam warlock when has marvel ever introduced or talked about a character and never brought them up again?
But even with that one example I gave Adam will show up soon, soo
The teams origin should see them working with SHIELD to unlock the powers of the Tesseract (just before Avengers 2012)
Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny are all working on replicating the device that Zola used in First Avenger.
Their first device test is deemed a tragedy by SHIELD as the whole team disappears after the machine malfunctions during the test. However, it was a success and the four of them are transported to another dimension/universe.
From here the team try in vain to recreate the device and travel back home, only to bounce from reality to reality.
It’s during these trips through dozens of different universes they encounter Kang and become the inspiration for his own pursuit of multiverse travel.
This origin will explain where they have been this whole time and justify Reed being so smart as he’s spend the last decade learning all there is to know from alien and future civilisations in an attempt to get his family home.
Honestly, I’d prefer your idea over the Quantum Realm “from the 60’s” idea. I don’t want The First Avenger all over again, the MCU is repetitive enough as it is.
Best introduction of F4 would be...way back in 60s they were sent to a space mission for exploration and through worm hole they trapped on a planet far from earth like interstellar....there their age doesn't age like on earth 🌎. On a mission of saving something Captain Marvel find them helpless and turned superheroes fantastic 4s. Where she fights them and after defeating them and bring them on earth 616 like she brought tony stark. Also for X-men....Some powerful mutant had said in past - No more mutants and all mutants doesn't exist on 616. it could be Older Jean Grey 🥤 but Some villain from multiverse Uses genetics to make colonies in many universes of mutants. This way he/she plants mutants in 616 too. But instant of his/her puppets he/she got Good mutants and faught back to defeat evil ones and him/her too 🥤
Every F4 director after Kevin feige's requisite MCU binge, pertinent comic book reading, and overlook on the broad spectrum of TH-cam MCU theorists, and a sprinkle of Twitter: yeah nah bruh
The charting in the 60s joke is definitely meant to be more about the Beatles aka the Fab Four
I love John Krasinski but I really didn't want him to be Mr Fantastic. I think I'm fairly alone in that opinion though lol. I think there'd have been a riot if he didn't get the role.
You raise a good point though about fan casting. I'm worried that fan casting is becoming too much of a thing to the point that huge groups are furious if their preferred fan casting didn't happen.
I trust Marvel 's casting. Loads of people thought RDJ, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth were terrible choices when they were announced but now they're seen as perfect casting.
It's great that fans are listened to but I think people need to stop pushing their fan casting so hard.
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@@kosdsd6524 he's not wrong
Fancastings almost never work out though
!00% agree with you. Everytime I see him, I just see Jim cosplaying and expect Dwight to hop on screen as Thing.
Again…the Krasinskis would be perfect in F4. Throw out fan casting & you have 2 ppl absolutely typecasted for RR & Sue. Why do ppl keep pidgeonholing John as ONLY Jim. It’s like only seeing Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow when he is such a diverse Actor. Move on already.
Honestly, with how packed the cast of the MCU is, and the stories leading up to a multiverse war, they could have some of the MCU movies in the future be in a completely different universe, having the fantastic four and X-Men possibly not even interact with hardly any of the current MCU cast until the crossover event. Or any Other characters that would have been difficult to fit in current MCU for chronological reasons like Miles Morales
We'd be lucky to get J.Q for Reed but if we do then you can count out Emily Blunt, the way their film life works is 1 of them films while the other is home
E. B made this clear after their last collaboration I doubt we'll see her 🤷🏻♂️
Doom = kiss of death. It would be just another movie
The Fantastic Four have always been my favorite team in Marvel Comics. Thanks for making this video to show how important they are to the Marvel universe.
I would have LOOOVED to see Reed’s 1960s F4 vision. Would have been so cool and different.
Having the F4 assumed to be lost in space/dead after a freak accident, but then somehow arriving back on earth with powers would easily work getting them into the MCU. They could tie it with Howard Stark maybe assisting Reed Richards with the rocket they use, to give us a little connection to characters we know and love.
Bill Burr as Ben Grimm
With Marvel digging deeper into Cosmic.... you need a FF around as the eyes/ears of the MCU. A S.W.O.R.D sponsored exploration team that becomes public after a mishap.
A 5-6 episode annual series on Disney+ in between cameos by individual members could work.
Good job on describing what I like about the FF and what makes them so great.
This has nothing to do with the fantastic four but i rewatched Loki and got to thinking does the TVA deal with anything off earth like I know the whole purpose was to keep other kangs from being created but wouldn’t at least some off world stuff cause that as well
Oh yeah, they arrested a Skrull in episode 1, also remember they arrested Sylvia when she’s a kid on Asgard which is very off earth
I could see a F4 film doing something similar to Captain Marvel or Captain America in how they start the story in one time but then end it in present day. Steve gets frozen, and Danvers goes off to fight bad guys in other parts of the galaxy.
With the first family it could be that they have been around the whole time but have been fighting threats from the quantum realm (Such as Kang) and we know from Scott that "time works differently in the quantum realm" and as such they've been trapped there for years (our time) but only really days (their time)
Scenario two, which I think would also be very on brand, involves Reed creating some sort of light speed engine that malfunctions and leaves them flying away from earth at relativistic speeds that means that decades pass on earth while only a few weeks or even months pass for them on the ship. Maybe the ship and drive they built is related to the one that Mar-Vell was working on. Also, it could be that the malfunction they experience ties back to how they got their powers. Again similar to carols origin.
Scenario 3 is they exist now, and get their powers in the present day through some freak accident
I had a fantanstic 4 game as a kid which was the first game I played overnight
Mr. Fantastic actually knows that Wanda has to kill them so that the movie will continue and entertain more people. he is THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE
I hope Reed isnt a "Tech" guy like designing his own machines like Stark was. There has to be boundaries on intelligence. You can be a "smart" without being an expert on everything. Im tired of genius labels covering every academic discipline.
Earth-838 Sue Storm contacts her late husband's 616 variant as her world is destroyed by an Incursion. She inspires our non-superheroic, scientist Reed to form an FF in the MCU.
He spends two years cracking the multiverse through science, rather than magic. The 616 FF's powers are derived from the multiverse, allowing Ben to revert to human form at any time.
They operate as covert ops heroes, dealing with multiverse threats using ONLY science. Doctor Doom at one point ransacks all 3 Sanctums, killing Wong, and usurping the role of Sorcerer Supreme.
BOOM that's the movie
so, _lost in space_ meets _fantastic four_ ? _cool!_ (oh, and if they really do F4, they should do Power Pack, too - very good, but very underrated, imho)
I gotta say, when there John Krasinski fancast first arrived, I didn't think he could portray intelligence, as most of his characters I know of aren't exactly scientists. But after watching MoM, I'd say he'd do a fantastic Reed Richards
Reed Richards was a student of Hank Pym in Pymtech later working with Darren cross on the quantum realm but due to some accident the team gets trapped in the quantum realm and develop powers and living in one of those cities shown in ant man. Scott and hank pym will meet them and Darren cross(now as modok) and fight against kang.
broooo this is probably going to happen. the 60s version. thats a great idea
Would be amazing if we got Chris Evan's Human Torch... even if he's just a variant
Seeing how I haven't seen Dr. Strange 2 yet, It would be interesting if they do it the way spider-man was done... but since we have a variant of Reed Richards, which means they could be involved in Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumanium which then leads into their own movie. But It would have been better if they were involved in the Infinity War or at least mentioned or a wink.
Here's my fancast Krasinski and Blunt are a given for Reed and Sue no doubt. Zac Efron or Dacre Montgomrey for Johnny. Now for Ben/Thing i've always wanted David Harbour. I know he's Red Guardian, but if Gemma Chan and Mchelle Yeoh can play two characters so can Harbour, but alternatives would be either Liev Schreiber, Jason Segel or Jesse Plemons. As for Doom i would love GOT's Nikolaj Waldau or LOTR's Viggo Mortensen.
Recast Reed Richards. John Krasinski was terrible. Fancasting doesnt always work
Problem with adapting FF to movies is that, as a monthly comic, they had the time to go on crazy adventures on Earth and space and the Microverse and the Negative Zone while also having plenty of time to fight Doctor Doom and the Mole Man. We can only get a new movie every 3 or 4 years, so they can only focus on one aspect or the other .
Dwayne Johnson should be the Thing
Since Reed is basically a descendant of kang the conqueror in the comics and is related to him, what if the mcu might do their own take by making Reed a variant of Kang the conqueror/he who remains but only the fact that reed is a hero.
Plus, he who remains explained his origin in loki which was similar to kang's/reed's origin in the comics and this might be shown in more detail later in the mcu
I am almost certain the reference is to a band from the 60s rather then the first comic appearence
They should have been doing a slow background build over time, and maybe there's still time. They aren't mutants so there's no need for a drastic introduction or time displacement. They can have TV in the background on National Geographic talking about gamma rays in space on Mrs. Marvel, linger on a newspaper headline about an experimental space study lead by top scientist Reed Richards in Wakanda Forever, and then a news special report about a shuttle incident involving the so called "Fantastic 4" in Quantumania. There are more organic ways of introducing new characters than just a ham fisted introduction in a single movie.
I get the Blunt Krasinski pairing but someone mentioned Seth Rogan and Zac Efron as The Thing and the Human Torch and now I can't get it out of my head haha
Seth Rogan is not in the shape of an astronaut.
@@captainjefferies9047 He's lost weight but you do you body shamer
@@IAmMightyMike Doesn't matter. I never said he should be ashamed. I said he doesn't' have an astronauts body. You are the one shaming him.
Lost weight or not he's still not in shape. Astronauts run miles and work out.
@@captainjefferies9047 not you continuing to shame him and shifting the blame
@@IAmMightyMike Who is shaming people? Oh yeah you, because you are saying that since Rogan doesn't have the build of an astronaut, he's shameful.
Check yourself.
If Krasinski is going to play Reed Richards… they should get Rainn Wilson to play Dr Doom
Can your editor not insert an entire scene from a show/movie every 10 seconds????
I remember when this channel did "Spoiler warnings". That was a long time ago
Dwight K. Shrute needs to be cast as Doctor DOOM now....
It's only right
i just hope they don't racebend them, coming from a black guy here. I'm so done with that stunt. Also it would be cool to have Tom's spidey and Johnny Storm have a little rivalry.
Why not have the 60s and getting trapped in the negative zone or something be their origin: but it doesn’t have to be the main focus of their movie. Movie takes place when they make it out in MCU present day
Ngl I want a trilogy of doctor doom movies that show his slow decent into madness.
Woaw, Jim Halpert surpassed Michael Scarn
I thought the 60s comment was a Beatles, ie Fab 4, reference.
Tf you mean "how"? It's obvious, we only saw Earth-838 Reed. The next time we see him (whether he's still Krasinski or another actor) and the rest of the F4 they'll be on Earth-616.
it be best for them to skip the origin story and just go into the idea that reed is looking for a way to help to turn his family back- but shit hits the fan and hijinks ensue.
As long as John Krasinski is Reed Richards, I’m cool
Bro you can say the version of Ultron that reed built was good, But I don’t trust like that.. The way he said “submit to ultron” right before Wanda killed one of him.
As long as John returns as Reed, then I’ll be happy. I just hope we don’t get some variant.
IMO, the best scenario for both the F4 and the X-men would be the following:
F4 - As others have pointed out, making them have an accident in space that placed them "out of time" works
X-men - They are already on Earth, but Charles used his powers and Cerebro to make everyone forget about the existence of mutants
Doing some Multiverse shenanigans would be too messy IMO
A 60s space race FF film could intro Marvel's First Family, Doom, Latveria (I can imagine Latveria being a sort of Cold War Yugoslavia, broken up upon Doom's return into Sokovia and other lands) and Adam Brashear (played by John Boyega if I had my way). Having them stuck for 9 hours in the Negative Zone, in a battle with Annihilus and the Annihilation Wave/Cosmic Control Rod could not only account for their absence and return, but could really set up, for the first time, the grounded, nuanced, arrogant and powerful (through both science and sorcery) Victor Von Doom.
I want the dr doom reed Richard’s relationship to be like magneto and Charles nemesis but respect and love each other don’t want the other dead persay just neutralised as they try to achieve their independent goals
I really just want Michael Chiklis back. He was the only thing I liked about those F4 movies
I wonder who will get picked to play the EARTH-616 Realm’s (Fantastic Four) in the M.C.U. movies?
I don’t think Reed built the Ultron bots. It was probably Tony or Hanj Pym and in that universe Ultron didn’t go angry. It wasn’t that Tony isn’t as smart as Reed which he isn’t but that the mind stone was probably not anywhere near Ultron. And who knows Ultron could’ve gone ballistic but Reed and others took his bots and reprogrammed them
I would have them as part of their own parallel earth, separate from any seen prior.
I would open with Dr Doom invading the TVA, downloading their computer files and collecting technology & artifacts.
The TVA seeks out the Fantastic Four, Doom’s natural antagonists, to restore order. Loki could call up Avengers, Kang could call up X-men and Sophie could up others. An all out battle for control of the TVA would ensure.
It should be like the council of reed’s should be like the council of Rick’s in Rick and morty!!! Making sure that there should be one f4 family in all universes!!!
If Reed Richards is considered the "smartest man alive" then why was Hank Pym dubbed Scientist Supreme in the comics because of his superior intellect 🤔 Reed didn't get chosen for that honor.
Wouldn't just going to another universe risk a incursion, wouldn't they need a space outside of those universes to gather safety?
john krazinski was FANTASTIC as reed richards
but he was kinda hyped up and ended up not being the smartest man alive
What?? Wrong!
Valeria definitely does not rhyme with diarrhea, Ryan. Va-LAR-ri-ah
Make it right MARVEL!!!! Make Chris Evans the Human Torch again to fuck with the Normies!!!