Personal I think all these guys needed a do over- just like the Spear Hero Case, where the author made a spinoff for the Spear Hero getting a do-over while helping naofumi
That makes him the only responsible man in the entire world, literally no one else can clean up their own messes, even the god damn king is a bitch, giving his daughter whatever she desires, even if it causes massive chaos. excuse my language.
@@gregoryshragis3732 I think it's just the daughter, the king, the three stooges. The queen sure as hell cleaned house that's for sure. You piss her off, you'll wish you were dead. Honest truth.
@@JoseMendoza-JAM stuff like that kind of ruins it for character development in my opinion. Like take them as they are and then watch then redeem themselves. I mean motoyasu has so much potential to be a great hero especially bc of a Spears relationship with a Shield. Same for the Sword. But his easily deceptive mind and weak will not to mention his rashness make him weaker. He's physically strong but he's mentally weak to the point to where it's laughable. And dont even get me started on the other two.
@@DANCERcow Its more than likely that he just comes from a world where that particular superhero doesn't exist. Spider-Man is incredibly popular in real world Japan and the average teenager absolutely knows who he is.
So from what I've gathered with these episodes so far: - Spear Hero is an actual brainlet - Bow Hero is an edgy 12 year old trying to be cool and shit - Sword Hero has his heart in the right place but isn't wise and experienced enough to make the right choices And of course: - Shield Hero is best boy
If you look it up in the LN, you see that the dragon corpse incident was a genuine accident. Unlike the Bow and Spear's problems which were caused by either not thinking things through at all or overlooking pretty obvious warning signs (like a plaque explicitly saying "Don't take this seed out of this cave!"), Sword honestly just got bad advice. - It was the people in his party and in the village that told him to leave the corpse instead of disposing of it (I forget if it was to make it a tourist attraction or to leave it for other adventurers to harvest materials from). As for the plague itself, I can't exactly blame him for not anticipating a monster body turning into a full blown bio weapon (unless maybe if the dragon was a Poison type, which I don't think is ever indicated). In other words, he screwed up, but it was only because he had no reason to even consider things going down the way they did.
Itsuki (bow hero) is a genuine piece of shit. Surrounds himself with people that boosts his ego and treats the only genuine person in his party (Risha) like shit. Literally the worst one of the bunch. Motoyasu is a redeemable. Stupidity isn't evil. Just stupid. Ren is just a fairly human character. He self-reflects and improves.
He has common sense, but no one around to give him a second opinion or talk things out with him. He’s not an idiot or a justice-freak, but his poor social skills have their own set of problems
Flame Mixtape3342 True that, people tend to forget he’s the youngest only 16. He’s an edgy loner who doesn’t share his thoughts with others. But weren’t we all like that? Edgy 16 year old teenagers.
I don’t think that’s just a coincidence either. I don’t remember for sure but I remember hearing that both the shield and sword heroes are closer compared to the rest of the heroes. Makes sense since both work together really well.
How do you apologize for something you have no control over. That's like me killing re3 Nemesis and not knowing he can regenerate and come back to life and then get blamed for it how does this comment section work. Seriously did anyone think of that how does that work logically that made no sense.
A Changed Man but he does understand his ways after the greed series and help the shield hero and kinda become a unofficial party member of shield part. Bow hero takes some time to fix. Spear idiot nope still a dumbass but again how can you fix him when he got no brain.
He has always been the most reasonable of the other 3 heros of the story, his major flaws were his loner personality and naivety but he comes around a lot better than most,,, as for the bow....well you will see >.>
Well he basically listened to Naofumi chew out the Bow Hero for not understanding a political transition system and how merely overthrowing one authority and leaving doesn't rectify problems as much as create seven more. At that point he had to assume there was some form if logic to his own case as well, though sadly as a man from a world with hygiene he should've at least understood viral outbreaks.
Swords and shields are suppose to go well together. I suppose a spear and shield could go well together too but a bow and shield not so much. Bows are two handed weapons and you need a hand avaliable for a shield but I digress. Sword and shield heroes should otherwise be a perfect match for eachother in terms of combat.
Out of the other three heroes, Ren always seems the most level-headed. He takes the story of the princess at face value, because why wouldn't he? However, when that story starts to clash with what he's seeing, he's the first one to question it, and starts to treat Naofumi more fairly.
Ren is easily the best of the three, being the most reasonable and not having his judgement clouded by self-righteous hypocrisy like Itsuki or the absolute idiocy of Motoyasu.
Also he didn't really know Naofumi at the beginning or the spoil princess for that matter, so he really couldn't defend his fellow hero based on face value and with the majority of everyone believing the princess who is he to stick his neck out for someone he didn't really know because for all Ran knew Naofumi could have actually done what she accused him of doing. But now that he's actually began to know him he's now able to defend him if he sees Naofumi being treated unfairly.
Itsuki is bad but Motoyasu is worse, he attacked Naofumi in a crowded street and didn't even notice the damage he was causing until he got called out on it. At least Itsuki does understand his actions even if he is too proud to say it out loud.
Some people need a splash of cold water. Naofumi however grabs ice from the bucket and slaps someone with the rest of the bucket before serving himself whiskey on the rocks after.
Shield hero: explains that bow hero did more damage and ruined tons of lives that he saved and helped which is why his request was declined because he basically tidied up the catastrophic mess u made Sword hero: ok makes sense if that's the case for me please explain Bow hero: tHaTs NoT tHe PoInT
I mean in both the web novel and light novel the moment he looks at Raphtalia's and finds cursed wounds on her he bowed down to her and asked to be forgiven for his mistake as it undirectly caused her to get those wounds (Ren may be the youngest but he takes the full responsibility of his actions most of the time)
You know, it's really ironic to hear this famous quote from an irresponsible "hero" for make everybody suffer due to his irresponsibility that temporarily made him shine, and the Shield have to clean up the Bow's mess alongside with Spear and Sword. If anything, all three of these "heroes" should be ashamed for themselves for the disaster that was resulted from their "good" intentions.
I think the dub did the armor-piercing question better. "Did you ever think that maybe you're trying too hard to be some super-cool secret vigilante, and you're not very good at it?"
@@gustavoargumanis1863 I've been hearing a few things from LN readers and Web Novel readers. No big spoilers, but basically, *don't pity Itsuki. He doesn't deserve it. In. The. Least.* ...so I've heard.
@@accelerator8558 So at least Motoyasu/Spear Hero is finally starting to get his shit together. Good for him. But for whatever reason, I've heard people say "do NOT feel bad for Itsuki/Bow Hero". Thankfully there were no big spoilers, so I'll probably see for myself why he's such a hateful guy;
@@MrDibara you will have to wait for that, i only tell about motoyasu because afther all what happen, he learn part of tru and he really feel bad for what happen to Neofumi in one way or another he want to fix his mistakes it's no so bad even if he is a idiot, and isuki from all heros i supouse he it's the one who deservet alot of punish
I think we can all agree ren is a good guy who’s made a mistake honestly I probably would have done it too. I never would have thought killing a dragon would start a plague
- Itsuki: 12-year-old Xbox kid trying to be cool and rebel - Ren: Try to help but lacks experience and initiatives - Motoyasu: Is almost brain dead ... all the brain power he has left is being sucked by Myne - Naofumi: Is a real chad that clean everybody's mess and actually help the world
It's clearly being accelerated by the fact that the other three heroes are causing their own share of problems that the Shield Hero ends up fixing, even if most people think he is just a regular adventurer with a different name.
My opinion on the three heroes Sword Hero: the only one who has a brain among them, and the one we have hope for. Bow Hero: has an ego who could rival Gilgamesh from Fate Zero/Stay Night Franchise Spear Hero: He'll believe whatever any beautiful lady tells him...coffs... like Bitch for example... because he is such a manipulative fool.
Himanshu Goel Gil was crazy how much he could back it up and the bow hero fit in the same category because there both archers. I hat the bow hero he thinks he’s so good but he’s trash.
Funny you mention Fate. To me, Itzuki is sorta a cross between Shirou and Gilgamesh (who btw are both classified as Archers). He has the whole "hero of justice" shtick that Shirou has including his delusional obsession with it, but his insane ego rivals Gil's even though he clearly can't back up his boasting unlike the King of Heroes.
Spider bow Spider bow Can't do whatever a spider does Can't spin a web He's kinda shit Always there, to blame you for shit Run Here comes the spider bow Here to blame you for shiiiit!!!
Itsuki: Someone needs to be taught that with great power comes great responsibility. In another universe... Peter: *shudders* MJ: What's up, Tiger? Are you cold? Peter: I just felt this inexplicable urge to punch a blond kid in the face. And congratulate a guy that reminds me of Cap.
Out of the 4 heroes the only two decent ones are Naofumi and Ren.Naofumi is cleaning up all the messes the other 3 left behind and is building up his legacy,Ren seems to be disappointed in his actions,he thinks just because it's like a game the enemy he defeats will fade away.When Naofumi was accused of kidnapping Melty Ren wanted to talk it out with Naofumi.If Naofumi met Ren when he was trying to leave the country instead of Motoyasu,Ren would likely have been the one to listen to Naofumi's full story.But that's just my opinion.
Okay here's my analysis of the 3 incompetent heros Ren: he is the most reasonable of the 3 and the only one to really consider his actions. He's naive but will eventually snap. Despite being the youngest he is often shown with the most maturity Itsuki: He is the second youngest yet acts the most childish. He always holds a grudge and isn't willing to hear what Naofumi says for the sake of his ego. He's basically Robin Hood 2.0. Motoyasu (fukboi mcgee): Blindly hates Naofumi due to Bitchs manipulation. He has his heart in the right place but it isn't shown that often due to the aforementioned manipulation. Despite being the oldest he doesn't show much intelligence
Well he comes from our specific world (not specific but probably a hair close) since he makes the spiderman joke and says that he didn't know he would end up making a feast for a KFC Farm when he fed all those Chocobos during the Fitoria visit
Well, starting immediately after her "birth", Naofumi did let her ride around on his head. I'm sure a little water, spat from across a table, is nowhere near as bad as what she did in his hair. I'm sure she'll get over it.
references aside, i like that in this scene there seems to start being respect between naofumi and ren with each other, having on mind both the direct and indirect interactions between the two from here on out
I really like Naofumi because he is level-headed, smart and mature, since the beginning he knows that this world is no game. He knows that every action has consequences (unlike the other three morons who has to deal with).
It's been a while so some parts might be off but in the light novel when the other hero failed a wave and naofomi basically saved them (it could be the 2nd wave which changed in the anime?) the other heros basically said that they just respawn in beds if they fail like it's the most logical thing in the world.
To be fair, he thought it was basically a game too until that betrayal fucked him up. The other three just realized it too late, poor Motoyasu became crazy and got his own series XD
@@DemonicMonkey88 no he thought it was a game like world so he knew death = death , the other three seems to have played games far to similar to the actual melomarc world that they assume all rules are the same as the game while the betrayel showed noufumi that the only demirt to the shield is that he can't become a thot slayer , oh and that he shouldn't trust people like a freaken idiot.
@@ambulancekun3142 ... The other three thought they could respawn, Naofumi's the only one who realized it early that he wasn't stuck in a game, but a game like world. Make sense?
To be fair Ren thinks is also level-headed but he doesnt think about the consequences of some of his actions. When Naofumi told him that he screwed up he simply thought oh he was probably right and apologized. Itsuki just listens to whoever has control over the country because when a soldier lied about one of his party members stealing from him and he flat out believed it even after finding out how corrupt the country he was fighting for is. Motoyasu is well needs no explanation.
Sword is actually decent enough to realize his own mistakes, Bow and Spear are the biggest dickheads though, they believe that everything they do is heroic and inherently good because of their pride of being chosen as "heroes" so they lack critical thinking and jump to the easiest conclusions like sheep. They never come close to Naofumi in combat because they continually grind easy exp but lack ACTUAL combat experience gained from true hardship in life-or-death battles and perseverance. When they spar with a royal captain later in the series she outright refuses to believe that the heroes are so basic at combat for their level, like an mmo character whose at high level but completely clueless at actual PVP.
its like a lvl 100 fire type pokemon against a level 50 ghost type pokemon but the lvl 100 keeps spamming a normal type move while the ghost is using toxic and slowly wittling the enemy using smarts
It went too far into "shield can do no wrong, heroes can do nothing right" imo. Made them complete caricatures in both decision making and fighting capabilities.
And the crux of the problem is that despite Bow, Spear, and Sword being game buffs with Sword having done MMORPGs before arriving in this world; all three of them look down on Shield thinking that because it's not a weapon it is as useless as most of the Kingdom says it is. They fail to attribute the three basic roles of MMOs to themselves and fail at realizing that the three of them are just DPS while Shield is the unique Tank/Healer Combo that most Dungeons/Raids Groups absolutely require in order to progress further in the games. This is why I am a Tank Main: my job is to soak up the Aggro, and to coordinate with other Tanks to keep the Boss on its' toes so it doesn't break aggro to instead charge after our crucial Healers and Ranged Spellcasters, or cleave through the meat shield of flashy and extravagant DPS dipshits whose modus operandi only revolves around "Group Up And Hit It Til' It Dies".
The thing that I love about this sequence is the fact that at the very least the sword hero is kind of realizing that he’s not really doing much in the way of you know being heroic. The archer guy however is pretty much completely hopeless. He’s so stuck in his own power Fantasy that he fails to realize that he’s actually causing more problems that he solving.
It's frustrating when Naofumi tells the other 3 a few times that this world isn't a game but they keep treating it like their VRdive type game worlds. The anime is the worst about this.
Of all the heroes that aren’t Naofumi, Sword Hero is probably my favorite. He lives in denial, sure, but he seems to be learning that his actions have consequences.
Ren is easily the better of the Three Cardinal Stooges, because I feel his head is in the right place, although his heart isn't quite there. After Naofumi tells them of his suspicions of the Church, Ren was the first to take a risk and trust someone he had been set against from the beginning. From what I'm seeing so far, he'll be the first of them to fight alongside Naofumi and apologize for how he treated him.
Notice the sword hero is the only one who believes him, he sees how his companion suffered due to the job he was supposed to do but didnt. I also think that the classic tandem of the sword in shield, where you wield both, plays a little part in this. 'Sasuke' is the only one who gives him a shot.
Well, now we have enough to accurately describe the other heroes: Motoyasu is basically a generic Isekai/shonen MC: White Knight syndrome sufferer, pervert and very dumb. But it also shows what happens when he is not the protagonist, is pampered to irresponsable levels and pulled through the nose to whatever she wants. Ren is the classical power leveler MMORPG player: just cares about growing in power. But he is not unreasonable and has a sense of responsability about the consecuences of his actions. Itsuki is an arrogant glory seeker with a warped sense of justice and morals (and that's not all. I wont spoil it)
@@admiralandy1983 Not sure. I mean, Naofumi likes Itsuki the least out of the three, but we saw from this episode that Naofumi is hardly a paragon of good judgement.
Joe Devaney I just find it funny that out of the four of them the light novel reader treats his party as a party (in fights) whereas the mmo players don’t.
Uncle Ben scoffs at you, Itsuki. Peter scoffs at you, Aunt May scoffs at you, the entire Spider-verse scoffs at you... The entire freaking Marvel Universe scoffs at you
So Ren understood that without further questions, just by looking at Raphtalia's hands. Well, at least he considered all mistakes what he did. Not so hopeless as two others.
What’s ironic is he quoted Spider man’s most popular line, “great power comes with great responsibility” Yet his definitely the most irresponsible hero in the show. At least, the sword hero is willing to believe Naofumi, and own up to his misdeeds. Even the spear hero has also own up to his misdeeds, and even apologized to Naofumi at one point. But the bow hero in the other hand, is quite close minded, and irresponsible.
Yeah the heroes come from alternate versions of Earth with some notable differences, tho Naofumi comes from our Earth which Spiderman and the famous Uncle Ben quote exist.
From what I've been hearing, Ren has kind of an obsession with becoming "the best", so while I do think his remorse is genuine about the harm he has caused (notice him looking at Raphtalia's wound before apologizing), I also think a good part of that guilt is also him thinking _"dammit, I wasn't good enough! I need to get better!"_ At least, that's my take on the guy for now. If it turns out to be that, I just hope his mentality doesn't drive him to commit yet more reckless acts in his attempt to redeem himself.
This scene is a great example of some of the more subtle character moments the series does so well. Itzuki starts by claiming the high ground and talking about responsibility. But when Naofumi calls him out on all the trouble he's caused, he gets defensive and refuses to listen, proving what a hypocrite he really is. - Ren, however, acknowledges his mistakes and apologizes for the damage he caused both to the village and to Raphtalia. Thus proving Itzuki's earlier statement even if Bow-Jerk doesn't.
@@rumeysaongul4765 Personally, I kinda wonder if Ren could have avoided his fall from grace and Curse Series if he and Naofumi had some one-on-one time. - Almost every time he acts like a jerk, it's when Pedo-yasu and Itzuki are around and he gets caught up in their tantrums because he unfortunately sides with their jealousy of the Shield (granted, Ren seems to come more from bewilderment as to how Naofumi got so strong despite having 0 offense while Spear-creep and Bow-jerk are just mad that he makes them look bad). - Don't get me wrong, I know there are plenty of times when he's 100% at fault and being a brat, but those just seem rarer for him and are even balanced somewhat by him actually showing a decent side and genuinely caring about other people (again, he flubs that a lot, too, but at least he tries unlike the other 2 Stooges).
Ren: he's basically just posturing. Looking cool, being detached, never letting anyone know anything about him or being indebted to anyone. He's actually just a regular dude doing his best to look strong and cool in front of others and avoid any problems to himself. He's moved by mere self interest. Itsuki: he's always had an advantage over other people due to his status. He's all about being the star, the leader, the hero. His mind is on defeating powerful enemies, punishing criminals and tyrants. He only follows his ways, and whoever doesn't agree with him he considers to be below him. He refuses to admit his weaknesses, his mistakes or his ignorance, but its quick to condemn others. He's moved by mere ambition and pride. Motoyasu: he's basically a guy that was lucky to be good looking, tall, strong and inheriting such a powerful weapon. Despite just being a lucky guy, he has tremendous contempt for those that are ugly, short, weak, poor and low on the social ladder. He's simply moved by pleasure, status and materialistic gains. Naofumi: a common guy, very sincere and kind hearted, innocent, peaceful. He's not into posturing. He's not proud or entitled. He's authentic, vulnerable, humble and compassionate towards those in pain or need. He's moved by love and empathy towards other's people's misery. His weapon, the shield, it's a symbol of his strength: he may not be the strongest in offensive combat, but he can withstand even the most powerful blows.
At least Ren seems to have some common sense unlike the other two heroes. I'm glad he becomes Naofumi's ally in the novel after (i won't spoil it for anyone). Also goes to show age don't mean jack squat when it comes to being reasonable.
Question how did he feel he killed the thing. How was he supposed to know it was going to come back to life and make a plague how would you know. The man only found out when he went there who would have been me at home and asked a question can all dragons do that why was only that dragon. Everybody in a conversation is literally blaming him for not knowing how does that make sense
@@lonelywolf5659 not really. To stick to the theme of the clip, what ren did would be like if spider man fought and knocked out a super villain and just left them unconscious in a random alley without tying them up or disarming them at all. The hero usually can't stick around for the aftermath, but they should do something to ensure the cleanup goes well otherwise the problem just comes back, in the case of the spiderman analogy, the super villain goes free with the cops never knowing he was there, in Ren's case, the plague and zombie dragon.
@@lonelywolf5659 Dude looks like 16 how do expect him to think? And besides Its common for no side effects to come from rotting bodies, how was Ren supposed to know it would cause a plague? Yes he was irresponsible but again, look how young he looks.
Flame Mixtape3342 Ren was the youngest of the four, and I think he was 18. Also, while this might’ve been overlooked, when the three listed off what game they were in, Ren called it a VMMORPG, or virtual reality game, like Overlord. The other two just had a computer game, their situations similar to Log horizon, but Ren has a full dive game. Considering the world operates with video game logic, he might’ve genuinely thought that he was still in the game and that monster bodies disappear, like in a game
Ren has always been my favorite of the 3 cause he is willing to hear Naofumi out hell in this scene he seems to believe him about the zombie dragon and disease
Well I will be glad to tell u that he gets an arc later in the series and gets redeemed and by redeemed he becomes a more likeable character Judging by the pacing of season 1, it won't be till season 3
@@lcobos94 is this series the type to end at 20 episodes take half a year or an entire year so break then come back? Or is season 2 already prepared orrr???? Really don't want to lose this series
@@PenguinZpoison season one will have 25 episodes not sure if it confirmed for season 2 or not (they would be a fool to not continue this) but the schedule you stated is where the anime industry is going(which is smart) i think the weekly releases should stop and just do this, there is too many anime projects to work on and it leads to reused and bad animations (black clover and one piece is an example) with the amount of light novel content we currently have(in english) we could have about 5/6 seasons worth of episodes(more if you consider the japanese releases)
Also Bell from DanMachi, Betelgeuse from Re:Zero, Masamune from Eromanga Sensei, Soma from Shokugeki no Soma, and Sora from No Game No Life. Plus a ton of other roles, most of which involve him being the protagonist. Yoshitsugu Matsuoka's got a pretty decently-sized and well-known resume.
what's more common to see? a spear / shield set? or a sword and shield set? i would have liked to see ren be the first hero to start interacting and bonding more with naofumi and his gang. instead of motoyasu
This was proof that all Naofumi was doing is being an actual hero before the wave, trying to survive, help others and prepare for the wave. If this part wasn't in the show it would come later and later until it couldn't not happen, it was a neccesary moment for the story to keep going. It's overly a badass moment for Naofumi not as a hero or as a warrior, as a person.
Ren is the mose decent of the three other heroes. Where Itsuki feels like he's an anime protagonist and tries to be cool and is super self-righteous about it and Motoyasu is on a journey to find out how dumb you can be while being manipulated into bs by his snake companion, being a possible paedophile all the while, Ren isn't on some ego-trip but actually trying to be a good hero and helping the people. He's open-minded toward Naofumi despite the prejudice and acknowledges his own mistakes and tries to learn from them. He's not the beast that Naofumi is, but he's definitely the second-best hero out there by a big distance
I always felt like one of the main differences between Naofumi and the other heroes was that he didn't go into this with expectations. The other three got pulled into video games from their worlds, while Naofumi got pulled into a light novel. Video games have certain expectations: Finish a quest, get a reward, move onto the next quest. Whenever something you do perminantly affects the world, it is either a main story arc or the designers are really detail-oriented. Sword, Spear, and Bow all aproach this world with the mentality: Yeah they help with the main quest, but the spend their down times goofing off and expecting rinse-and-repeat side missions. Light Novels, on the other hand, usually have a lot of thought and worldbuilding built into them. Novel writers expect their readers to analyize and remember every detail of their world, so they have to keep things consistent. Every action by the characters has a reaction by the world. It's assumed that once your main charater leaves an area, life will go on for the characters left behind. TL:DR, Naofumi is living in a world he has to adapt to, while the other heroes expect this world to act like a video game.
At least Ren is somewhat reasonable, he just has no one around him to provide second opinions because he cuts himself off from people. It’s a stupid thing to do and just as problematic, but it’s more manageable than itsuki or Motoyasu
Ren is the youngest hero, yet he is the most mature out of the other heroes... He is the only one who is able to accept responsibility for his actions and is the only one who actually listens to what Naofumi listens to. He's still an idiot, but he's definitely not as bad as the other 2.
Spear Hero/Motoyasu seems like an utter idiot. I believe he does have actual good intentions (and a bunch of weird fetishes), but he's so stupid that he becomes the pawn of any asshole with a bit of smarts. Bow Hero/Itsuki, from what I've heart, has an ego the size of a planet. Basically, he cares only about his public image, not about doing actual good. And he was pretty dumb, trying to pull a Batman and not reveal he was the one aiding the insurgentes. Of course they didn't pay him, they thought it could've been anyone. Sword Hero/Ren seems like the most balanced of them all. The main issue he has, or so I've heard, is that he has this obssessed mentality that he MUST be *"the best".* No matter what. And that apperantly becomes a problem in a later arc. But that aside, it seems pretty obvious he's at least decent and humble enough to recognize when he has screwed up. That already puts him LEAGUES above Itsuki.
Read the manga, and for the most part Motoyasu became somewhat redeemable, bow hero kinda loses his shit for a while and becomes full one asshole, and sword hero just kinda exist
Naofumi had to check the other two heroes like nah he wasn't trying to impersonate you... he was simply cleaning up your messes
Personal I think all these guys needed a do over- just like the Spear Hero Case, where the author made a spinoff for the Spear Hero getting a do-over while helping naofumi
That makes him the only responsible man in the entire world, literally no one else can clean up their own messes, even the god damn king is a bitch, giving his daughter whatever she desires, even if it causes massive chaos. excuse my language.
@@gregoryshragis3732 I think it's just the daughter, the king, the three stooges. The queen sure as hell cleaned house that's for sure. You piss her off, you'll wish you were dead. Honest truth.
@@JoseMendoza-JAM stuff like that kind of ruins it for character development in my opinion. Like take them as they are and then watch then redeem themselves. I mean motoyasu has so much potential to be a great hero especially bc of a Spears relationship with a Shield. Same for the Sword. But his easily deceptive mind and weak will not to mention his rashness make him weaker. He's physically strong but he's mentally weak to the point to where it's laughable. And dont even get me started on the other two.
@@furionmax7824 the brains of these two guys isn't actually working if they think it's actually possible for Naofumi to impersonate them
Imagine having a world so deprived of human decency that Spider-Man just doesn't exists.
actually spiderman is used to the fact that he saves people
even though they hate him.
Maybe because he doesn't know about Spiderman?
@@DANCERcow Its more than likely that he just comes from a world where that particular superhero doesn't exist. Spider-Man is incredibly popular in real world Japan and the average teenager absolutely knows who he is.
SnowyWolborg yup good point, others have pointed this out to me!
Still love that Stan Lee reference. See Mr.Lee the whole world misses you Sir.
So from what I've gathered with these episodes so far:
- Spear Hero is an actual brainlet
- Bow Hero is an edgy 12 year old trying to be cool and shit
- Sword Hero has his heart in the right place but isn't wise and experienced enough to make the right choices
And of course:
- Shield Hero is best boy
If you look it up in the LN, you see that the dragon corpse incident was a genuine accident. Unlike the Bow and Spear's problems which were caused by either not thinking things through at all or overlooking pretty obvious warning signs (like a plaque explicitly saying "Don't take this seed out of this cave!"), Sword honestly just got bad advice.
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It was the people in his party and in the village that told him to leave the corpse instead of disposing of it (I forget if it was to make it a tourist attraction or to leave it for other adventurers to harvest materials from). As for the plague itself, I can't exactly blame him for not anticipating a monster body turning into a full blown bio weapon (unless maybe if the dragon was a Poison type, which I don't think is ever indicated). In other words, he screwed up, but it was only because he had no reason to even consider things going down the way they did.
That is exactly correct. Sword is the best person of the other three heros.
Itsuki (bow hero) is a genuine piece of shit. Surrounds himself with people that boosts his ego and treats the only genuine person in his party (Risha) like shit. Literally the worst one of the bunch.
Motoyasu is a redeemable. Stupidity isn't evil. Just stupid.
Ren is just a fairly human character. He self-reflects and improves.
correction
spear hero is a lolicon womanizing melted brain
Beenu all correct
See, this is why I like Ren, he’s actually has common sense.
He has common sense, but no one around to give him a second opinion or talk things out with him. He’s not an idiot or a justice-freak, but his poor social skills have their own set of problems
@@vexxama he's a lot like a flushed out version of Kirito.
Gotta remember as well hes still young, which explains his naivete but he genuinely seems like a decent person and has some brain cells as well.
Flame Mixtape3342 True that, people tend to forget he’s the youngest only 16. He’s an edgy loner who doesn’t share his thoughts with others. But weren’t we all like that? Edgy 16 year old teenagers.
I don’t think that’s just a coincidence either. I don’t remember for sure but I remember hearing that both the shield and sword heroes are closer compared to the rest of the heroes. Makes sense since both work together really well.
Ren:brain capacity 50%
Itsuki: brain capacity 30%
Motoyasu: brain capacity 2.5%
Pretty sure what little brainpower Motoyasu has is being sucked off- er, out by Malty.
You're wrong Motoyasu brain's is o,oo1%
Correction , motoyatsu's brain capacity is null
Hahahaha
Only brain capacity he has is in his dick, and Myne was sucking that off.
The sword hero taking the L like a champ and even apologizes👌
If you’re starting to like the sword hero, just know that he becomes even more of an asshole later on, aswell as the bow kid.
@@tkn9979 That's not what I've heard of his character development.
@@tkn9979 uh... no? Wtf? From whose ass did you pull that BS?
How do you apologize for something you have no control over. That's like me killing re3 Nemesis and not knowing he can regenerate and come back to life and then get blamed for it how does this comment section work. Seriously did anyone think of that how does that work logically that made no sense.
A Changed Man but he does understand his ways after the greed series and help the shield hero and kinda become a unofficial party member of shield part. Bow hero takes some time to fix. Spear idiot nope still a dumbass but again how can you fix him when he got no brain.
Spider-Man would be disappointed in the bow hero. He spoke his signature phrase and yet with his power ruined a country.
If you think ruining a country is bad for the Bow, oh boy you have no clue how fucked it gets.
@@chestbumphero it gets worse?! edit: yes/no answer pls senpai no spoilers.
Alan Rodrigues yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if you hated him more as a person than a hero
@@watchd0ge820 Oh yes, Itsuki get's worst, would argue worst than Spear boy who"s nothing more than a tool of Myne.
@@dantemustdie00 spoil me please
It's nice that the Sword Hero listens to Naofumi and trying to learn.
He’s the youngest too. Still has much to learn.
That is true, I got to give him that.
He has always been the most reasonable of the other 3 heros of the story, his major flaws were his loner personality and naivety but he comes around a lot better than most,,, as for the bow....well you will see >.>
Well he basically listened to Naofumi chew out the Bow Hero for not understanding a political transition system and how merely overthrowing one authority and leaving doesn't rectify problems as much as create seven more. At that point he had to assume there was some form if logic to his own case as well, though sadly as a man from a world with hygiene he should've at least understood viral outbreaks.
Swords and shields are suppose to go well together. I suppose a spear and shield could go well together too but a bow and shield not so much. Bows are two handed weapons and you need a hand avaliable for a shield but I digress. Sword and shield heroes should otherwise be a perfect match for eachother in terms of combat.
Out of the other three heroes, Ren always seems the most level-headed. He takes the story of the princess at face value, because why wouldn't he? However, when that story starts to clash with what he's seeing, he's the first one to question it, and starts to treat Naofumi more fairly.
Ren is easily the best of the three, being the most reasonable and not having his judgement clouded by self-righteous hypocrisy like Itsuki or the absolute idiocy of Motoyasu.
Also he didn't really know Naofumi at the beginning or the spoil princess for that matter, so he really couldn't defend his fellow hero based on face value and with the majority of everyone believing the princess who is he to stick his neck out for someone he didn't really know because for all Ran knew Naofumi could have actually done what she accused him of doing. But now that he's actually began to know him he's now able to defend him if he sees Naofumi being treated unfairly.
@@michaelmurray8134 i would also say ren also felt some what peer pressured in to disliking the shield hero
Out the remaining three, ren is literally the only one whose redeemable based off this season
Once he tackles his ego then he'll be a fantastic hero
When you make a spiderman reference and nobody gets it
each hero is from a diffrent alternate reality Japan and naoufumi is from our world. in itsuki's world spider-man doesn't exists apparently.
@@awesomearsam1890 truly, the darkest timeline
I didn't even get it till I read the comments lmfaoo
@@awesomearsam1890 or maybe Hes not into superhero stuff
Kubik Kuratko or maybe he’s a DC fan
Itsuki: Someone needs to be taught that with great power comes great responsibility.
Me: *Pointing Intensifies*
Me: *Brutally kills him*
Every viewer: *stares at Itsuki Pulp Fiction style*
Itsuki is bad but Motoyasu is worse, he attacked Naofumi in a crowded street and didn't even notice the damage he was causing until he got called out on it. At least Itsuki does understand his actions even if he is too proud to say it out loud.
SirReepicheep Rules trust me itsuki is waaaay worse
@@justinhamilton9347 You just had to type *seed* all over her did you.
Despite being the Shield Hero and the most hated man in Melromarc, Naofumi still does more good than those three posers.
I totally agree!
@MR.Galaxy 264 Didn't you want to say The Idiot Trio (San Baka)?
@@akaiyoru2681 More like the 3 Stooges
@@gianepineda5799 Anyways, fuck them all with a steel cactus
Sword dude seems alright.
Bow dude is a bit arrogant but once he gets knocked down a peg he’ll be alright.
Spear dude needs to die.
Naofumi: you destabilized a country
Itsuki: dont change the subject!
Yeah real hero material right there
I like that Ren accepts responsibility and apologizes but I still love it when Naofumi puts the other so called hero’s in their place
Some people need a splash of cold water. Naofumi however grabs ice from the bucket and slaps someone with the rest of the bucket before serving himself whiskey on the rocks after.
Shield hero: explains that bow hero did more damage and ruined tons of lives that he saved and helped which is why his request was declined because he basically tidied up the catastrophic mess u made
Sword hero: ok makes sense if that's the case for me please explain
Bow hero: tHaTs NoT tHe PoInT
@Tinyrocket no it's the sword hero who is the youngest
Completely disregarding what Naofumi just told him. Bow hero is a moron.
I mean in both the web novel and light novel the moment he looks at Raphtalia's and finds cursed wounds on her he bowed down to her and asked to be forgiven for his mistake as it undirectly caused her to get those wounds (Ren may be the youngest but he takes the full responsibility of his actions most of the time)
Gasp, he doesn't have a Spider-Man in his world 😲😲😲
I thought all three of them where from the same world?
You know, it's really ironic to hear this famous quote from an irresponsible "hero" for make everybody suffer due to his irresponsibility that temporarily made him shine, and the Shield have to clean up the Bow's mess alongside with Spear and Sword. If anything, all three of these "heroes" should be ashamed for themselves for the disaster that was resulted from their "good" intentions.
@@DANCERcow They're from alternate dimensions of Earth, or something.
@@DANCERcow They are from parallel world versions of Japan. Ren's world for example has full VR RPGs while the rest of them do not.
Tyler Launius ooooh but are they all japanese from their earths?
I think the dub did the armor-piercing question better.
"Did you ever think that maybe you're trying too hard to be some super-cool secret vigilante, and you're not very good at it?"
Ray I didn’t even realize that
nice 😂
Spiderman refererence aside, it awesome that Naofumi pointed out the negative consequences of the Bow and Sword's "heroics"
And fortunately, Ren took it at heart. He is learning now (late, but not too late)
Im feeling sry for Itsuki and Bakayasu
@@gustavoargumanis1863 I've been hearing a few things from LN readers and Web Novel readers. No big spoilers, but basically, *don't pity Itsuki. He doesn't deserve it. In. The. Least.* ...so I've heard.
@@MrDibara because he doest deservet it, motoyasu try to fix his herror, in the new manga he show that
@@accelerator8558 So at least Motoyasu/Spear Hero is finally starting to get his shit together. Good for him.
But for whatever reason, I've heard people say "do NOT feel bad for Itsuki/Bow Hero".
Thankfully there were no big spoilers, so I'll probably see for myself why he's such a hateful guy;
@@MrDibara you will have to wait for that, i only tell about motoyasu because afther all what happen, he learn part of tru and he really feel bad for what happen to Neofumi in one way or another he want to fix his mistakes it's no so bad even if he is a idiot, and isuki from all heros i supouse he it's the one who deservet alot of punish
I think we can all agree ren is a good guy who’s made a mistake honestly I probably would have done it too. I never would have thought killing a dragon would start a plague
Up to that point, he literally still thought he was in a game, like the Discount Kirito he is.
i think only seiya ryuuguuin would have thought of that my guy
@@thebighurt2495 to be fair, in his world it literally is an vrmmo
I think nobody expected that the corpse would turn into a dragon zombie... Wich probably was the main reason of why the village got infected
@@Voldrim359 but the plague started BEFORE the corpse of the dragon reanimated into a zombie dragon
- Itsuki: 12-year-old Xbox kid trying to be cool and rebel
- Ren: Try to help but lacks experience and initiatives
- Motoyasu: Is almost brain dead ... all the brain power he has left is being sucked by Myne
- Naofumi: Is a real chad that clean everybody's mess and actually help the world
I have the feeling, the royals plan to make shield hero look like the bad guy is falling apart, pretty fast
No spoilers but.. Just you wait lol
It's clearly being accelerated by the fact that the other three heroes are causing their own share of problems that the Shield Hero ends up fixing, even if most people think he is just a regular adventurer with a different name.
Keep an eye on the royals...they’re gonna get what’s coming to em
Reezy909 are you a manga reader? Because if so, that knowledge makes me very happy...
You'll be trembling with excitement over the payback. Karma's a bitch thats fallen for our shield hero.
My opinion on the three heroes
Sword Hero: the only one who has a brain among them, and the one we have hope for.
Bow Hero: has an ego who could rival Gilgamesh from Fate Zero/Stay Night Franchise
Spear Hero: He'll believe whatever any beautiful lady tells him...coffs... like Bitch for example... because he is such a manipulative fool.
At least Gil can back up that ego of his with results.
Himanshu Goel Gil was crazy how much he could back it up and the bow hero fit in the same category because there both archers. I hat the bow hero he thinks he’s so good but he’s trash.
I think you should replace the f in fool with a t
remember that Sword hero still thinks he's been transported into a videogame
Funny you mention Fate. To me, Itzuki is sorta a cross between Shirou and Gilgamesh (who btw are both classified as Archers). He has the whole "hero of justice" shtick that Shirou has including his delusional obsession with it, but his insane ego rivals Gil's even though he clearly can't back up his boasting unlike the King of Heroes.
itsuki man, itsuki man does whatever an itsuki does
screws things up any time, mess things up then he whines
look out here comes itsuki man.
Bravo, have a like.
I won't lie, that was pretty hilarious. :) And catchy. 8)
Spider bow
Spider bow
Can't do whatever a spider does
Can't spin a web
He's kinda shit
Always there, to blame you for shit
Run
Here comes the spider bow
Here to blame you for shiiiit!!!
Honestly, did not read this to the spider-man theme but to the tune of Particle Man by We Might Be giants.
@@jamesdickens3120 Needs that accordian accompaniement
Itsuki: Someone needs to be taught that with great power comes great responsibility.
In another universe...
Peter: *shudders*
MJ: What's up, Tiger? Are you cold?
Peter: I just felt this inexplicable urge to punch a blond kid in the face. And congratulate a guy that reminds me of Cap.
Underrated comment
Peter to Bow Hero after shunning him: *Gonna Cry?*
@@awesomeh3621 After that Peter and Joker dance on stairs
Bakugo and Midorya
YES LET IT HAPPEN
Let spider-man congratulate Naofumi (and exchange autographs with each other)
Out of the 4 heroes the only two decent ones are Naofumi and Ren.Naofumi is cleaning up all the messes the other 3 left behind and is building up his legacy,Ren seems to be disappointed in his actions,he thinks just because it's like a game the enemy he defeats will fade away.When Naofumi was accused of kidnapping Melty Ren wanted to talk it out with Naofumi.If Naofumi met Ren when he was trying to leave the country instead of Motoyasu,Ren would likely have been the one to listen to Naofumi's full story.But that's just my opinion.
Okay here's my analysis of the 3 incompetent heros
Ren: he is the most reasonable of the 3 and the only one to really consider his actions. He's naive but will eventually snap. Despite being the youngest he is often shown with the most maturity
Itsuki: He is the second youngest yet acts the most childish. He always holds a grudge and isn't willing to hear what Naofumi says for the sake of his ego. He's basically Robin Hood 2.0.
Motoyasu (fukboi mcgee): Blindly hates Naofumi due to Bitchs manipulation. He has his heart in the right place but it isn't shown that often due to the aforementioned manipulation. Despite being the oldest he doesn't show much intelligence
"Fuckboy McGee" HOW DO I LIKE A COMMENT 100 TIMES *wheeze*
Amazing, Fukboi Mcgee is a great name
Not trying to defend him, but is there such a thing as mind manipulation in this anime? Could be a possibility in terms of spear
@@hunteryt7819 not that we've seen it yet
@@hunteryt7819 There is... But is not used on Motoyasu... He is an idiot...
Bitten by a spider, naofumi knows spider man
Well he comes from our specific world (not specific but probably a hair close) since he makes the spiderman joke and says that he didn't know he would end up making a feast for a KFC Farm when he fed all those Chocobos during the Fitoria visit
I'd like to believe it's reality give me little hope man
A little disappointed that all the comments are talking about the Spider-Man reference and not the fact that my guy just spat all over poor filo
To be fair naofumi did apologize to filo afterwords.
Well, starting immediately after her "birth", Naofumi did let her ride around on his head. I'm sure a little water, spat from across a table, is nowhere near as bad as what she did in his hair. I'm sure she'll get over it.
SMH
These people have no culture
No spider-man = no Tobey McGuire = no Pizza time meme
That is the worst reality
@Captain Twice I would say most of history before the sixties sucked worse than the sixties. The world has only improved since Spiderman's creation.
GET ME MOR PICTURES OF SPIDER MAN!!!
True, but we dont know What memes they have in his World, maybe we are losing a great meme material from there e.e
@@vic38878 SPOILER ALERT but later it is reveal all the heros are from different versions of Japan which could explain not knowing spider man.
@@Jak239JC That was revealed at the very beginning of the series, it's practically common knowledge at this point.
i like how the chicken keep eating and dont give a fk lol
Too young to understand
She is the true definition of a bottomless pit when it comes to eating
she is like "Dinner and a show, neat".
@@tomhuynh3867 probably.
She's just a child
references aside, i like that in this scene there seems to start being respect between naofumi and ren with each other, having on mind both the direct and indirect interactions between the two from here on out
I really like Naofumi because he is level-headed, smart and mature, since the beginning he knows that this world is no game. He knows that every action has consequences (unlike the other three morons who has to deal with).
It's been a while so some parts might be off but in the light novel when the other hero failed a wave and naofomi basically saved them (it could be the 2nd wave which changed in the anime?) the other heros basically said that they just respawn in beds if they fail like it's the most logical thing in the world.
To be fair, he thought it was basically a game too until that betrayal fucked him up.
The other three just realized it too late, poor Motoyasu became crazy and got his own series XD
@@DemonicMonkey88 no he thought it was a game like world so he knew death = death , the other three seems to have played games far to similar to the actual melomarc world that they assume all rules are the same as the game while the betrayel showed noufumi that the only demirt to the shield is that he can't become a thot slayer , oh and that he shouldn't trust people like a freaken idiot.
@@ambulancekun3142 ...
The other three thought they could respawn, Naofumi's the only one who realized it early that he wasn't stuck in a game, but a game like world.
Make sense?
To be fair Ren thinks is also level-headed but he doesnt think about the consequences of some of his actions. When Naofumi told him that he screwed up he simply thought oh he was probably right and apologized. Itsuki just listens to whoever has control over the country because when a soldier lied about one of his party members stealing from him and he flat out believed it even after finding out how corrupt the country he was fighting for is. Motoyasu is well needs no explanation.
Sword is actually decent enough to realize his own mistakes, Bow and Spear are the biggest dickheads though, they believe that everything they do is heroic and inherently good because of their pride of being chosen as "heroes" so they lack critical thinking and jump to the easiest conclusions like sheep.
They never come close to Naofumi in combat because they continually grind easy exp but lack ACTUAL combat experience gained from true hardship in life-or-death battles and perseverance. When they spar with a royal captain later in the series she outright refuses to believe that the heroes are so basic at combat for their level, like an mmo character whose at high level but completely clueless at actual PVP.
its like a lvl 100 fire type pokemon against a level 50 ghost type pokemon but the lvl 100 keeps spamming a normal type move while the ghost is using toxic and slowly wittling the enemy using smarts
It went too far into "shield can do no wrong, heroes can do nothing right" imo. Made them complete caricatures in both decision making and fighting capabilities.
And the crux of the problem is that despite Bow, Spear, and Sword being game buffs with Sword having done MMORPGs before arriving in this world; all three of them look down on Shield thinking that because it's not a weapon it is as useless as most of the Kingdom says it is. They fail to attribute the three basic roles of MMOs to themselves and fail at realizing that the three of them are just DPS while Shield is the unique Tank/Healer Combo that most Dungeons/Raids Groups absolutely require in order to progress further in the games.
This is why I am a Tank Main: my job is to soak up the Aggro, and to coordinate with other Tanks to keep the Boss on its' toes so it doesn't break aggro to instead charge after our crucial Healers and Ranged Spellcasters, or cleave through the meat shield of flashy and extravagant DPS dipshits whose modus operandi only revolves around "Group Up And Hit It Til' It Dies".
@@0hvist SaO Abridged reference at the end?
At this point, Ren has shown more character development than his two fellow heroes, as he starts to improve greatly after this.
Sword hero has my respect, owned up to his mistakes right then and there
The thing that I love about this sequence is the fact that at the very least the sword hero is kind of realizing that he’s not really doing much in the way of you know being heroic. The archer guy however is pretty much completely hopeless. He’s so stuck in his own power Fantasy that he fails to realize that he’s actually causing more problems that he solving.
It's frustrating when Naofumi tells the other 3 a few times that this world isn't a game but they keep treating it like their VRdive type game worlds. The anime is the worst about this.
Of all the heroes that aren’t Naofumi, Sword Hero is probably my favorite. He lives in denial, sure, but he seems to be learning that his actions have consequences.
He literally still thought he was in an actual video game until this point.
Ren is easily the better of the Three Cardinal Stooges, because I feel his head is in the right place, although his heart isn't quite there. After Naofumi tells them of his suspicions of the Church, Ren was the first to take a risk and trust someone he had been set against from the beginning. From what I'm seeing so far, he'll be the first of them to fight alongside Naofumi and apologize for how he treated him.
It makes sense that Ren is the one most like Nafumi considering he's the sword the direct complement to the shield
@@urickmann7768 yeah, that's a very interesting point
"Three Cardinal Stooges" that is the greatest nickname for those three ever
Spear Hero: Dumb hero
Sword Hero: Smart Hero
Bow Hero: Show-off Hero
Shield Hero: HELL YEAH
Notice the sword hero is the only one who believes him, he sees how his companion suffered due to the job he was supposed to do but didnt. I also think that the classic tandem of the sword in shield, where you wield both, plays a little part in this. 'Sasuke' is the only one who gives him a shot.
this punk shouldn't use a famous quote like that, because his action's have caused so many problems that Naofumi has been forced to cleanup after him.
Well, now we have enough to accurately describe the other heroes:
Motoyasu is basically a generic Isekai/shonen MC: White Knight syndrome sufferer, pervert and very dumb. But it also shows what happens when he is not the protagonist, is pampered to irresponsable levels and pulled through the nose to whatever she wants.
Ren is the classical power leveler MMORPG player: just cares about growing in power. But he is not unreasonable and has a sense of responsability about the consecuences of his actions.
Itsuki is an arrogant glory seeker with a warped sense of justice and morals (and that's not all. I wont spoil it)
Just from looking at their bio's I feel like Itsuki is the worst.
@@admiralandy1983 Motoyasu actually gets worse later.
Joe Devaney before he unlocks his curse series or after?
@@admiralandy1983 Not sure. I mean, Naofumi likes Itsuki the least out of the three, but we saw from this episode that Naofumi is hardly a paragon of good judgement.
Joe Devaney I just find it funny that out of the four of them the light novel reader treats his party as a party (in fights) whereas the mmo players don’t.
Every moment Naofumi wastes with these clowns is a moment less for Raphtalia-chan to confess her love for him, smh.
Facts
nah, these aren't facts, these are laws of fucking reality @@patrickagokei
She’s 10
@@Ghostly1989 she's physically 20
**CIVIL WAR**
This is a debate that no one has time for
I'm glad sword hero admitted he was wrong. Signs of improvement
Uncle Ben scoffs at you, Itsuki. Peter scoffs at you, Aunt May scoffs at you, the entire Spider-verse scoffs at you... The entire freaking Marvel Universe scoffs at you
EVEN STAN LEE SCOFFS AT YOUR PATHETIC ASS ITSUKI!!!
DC just called. And they also scoff at you.
@@babyrion9684 Don forget Jack Kurby
@@aidas52 ALSO MARTIN GOODMAN SCOFFS AT HIM!!!
Saikyou Even the elusive Steve Ditko scoffs at you, Itsuki.
I like Ren almost as much as Naofumi, he's a real one
So Ren understood that without further questions, just by looking at Raphtalia's hands. Well, at least he considered all mistakes what he did. Not so hopeless as two others.
Ren: Brain is on Autopilot
Itsuki: actual psychopath
Motoyasu: brainless
What’s ironic is he quoted Spider man’s most popular line, “great power comes with great responsibility”
Yet his definitely the most irresponsible hero in the show.
At least, the sword hero is willing to believe Naofumi, and own up to his misdeeds. Even the spear hero has also own up to his misdeeds, and even apologized to Naofumi at one point.
But the bow hero in the other hand, is quite close minded, and irresponsible.
Ren has humility, something a Hero needs
how sad is itsuki world that there is no stan lee :c at least ren can properly apologise and think
Yeah the heroes come from alternate versions of Earth with some notable differences, tho Naofumi comes from our Earth which Spiderman and the famous Uncle Ben quote exist.
now we know why he's such an asshole
Well it is possible they are from a world where Japan won WW2. I'd image that world is missing a lot of things.
No need to tell me, im on top with the light novel, up to daate and all, both wn and ln
From what I've been hearing, Ren has kind of an obsession with becoming "the best", so while I do think his remorse is genuine about the harm he has caused (notice him looking at Raphtalia's wound before apologizing), I also think a good part of that guilt is also him thinking _"dammit, I wasn't good enough! I need to get better!"_
At least, that's my take on the guy for now. If it turns out to be that, I just hope his mentality doesn't drive him to commit yet more reckless acts in his attempt to redeem himself.
This scene is a great example of some of the more subtle character moments the series does so well. Itzuki starts by claiming the high ground and talking about responsibility. But when Naofumi calls him out on all the trouble he's caused, he gets defensive and refuses to listen, proving what a hypocrite he really is.
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Ren, however, acknowledges his mistakes and apologizes for the damage he caused both to the village and to Raphtalia. Thus proving Itzuki's earlier statement even if Bow-Jerk doesn't.
Yeah! This is exactly the point where Ren and Itsuki begain to show how different they actually are from eachother.
@@rumeysaongul4765 Personally, I kinda wonder if Ren could have avoided his fall from grace and Curse Series if he and Naofumi had some one-on-one time.
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Almost every time he acts like a jerk, it's when Pedo-yasu and Itzuki are around and he gets caught up in their tantrums because he unfortunately sides with their jealousy of the Shield (granted, Ren seems to come more from bewilderment as to how Naofumi got so strong despite having 0 offense while Spear-creep and Bow-jerk are just mad that he makes them look bad).
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Don't get me wrong, I know there are plenty of times when he's 100% at fault and being a brat, but those just seem rarer for him and are even balanced somewhat by him actually showing a decent side and genuinely caring about other people (again, he flubs that a lot, too, but at least he tries unlike the other 2 Stooges).
Itsuki: Someone needs to be taught that with great power comes great responsibility.
Naofumi: Hold my beer!
With the right context, taking the L like a man is sometimes a much more respectable approach than sticking to your guns
Ren: he's basically just posturing. Looking cool, being detached, never letting anyone know anything about him or being indebted to anyone. He's actually just a regular dude doing his best to look strong and cool in front of others and avoid any problems to himself. He's moved by mere self interest.
Itsuki: he's always had an advantage over other people due to his status. He's all about being the star, the leader, the hero. His mind is on defeating powerful enemies, punishing criminals and tyrants. He only follows his ways, and whoever doesn't agree with him he considers to be below him. He refuses to admit his weaknesses, his mistakes or his ignorance, but its quick to condemn others. He's moved by mere ambition and pride.
Motoyasu: he's basically a guy that was lucky to be good looking, tall, strong and inheriting such a powerful weapon. Despite just being a lucky guy, he has tremendous contempt for those that are ugly, short, weak, poor and low on the social ladder. He's simply moved by pleasure, status and materialistic gains.
Naofumi: a common guy, very sincere and kind hearted, innocent, peaceful. He's not into posturing. He's not proud or entitled. He's authentic, vulnerable, humble and compassionate towards those in pain or need. He's moved by love and empathy towards other's people's misery. His weapon, the shield, it's a symbol of his strength: he may not be the strongest in offensive combat, but he can withstand even the most powerful blows.
At least Ren seems to have some common sense unlike the other two heroes. I'm glad he becomes Naofumi's ally in the novel after (i won't spoil it for anyone). Also goes to show age don't mean jack squat when it comes to being reasonable.
Gonna be honest
Feels bad for sword hero
The sword hero has some redeeming qualities by accepting that he failed but i still don't like and bow and spear
Question how did he feel he killed the thing. How was he supposed to know it was going to come back to life and make a plague how would you know. The man only found out when he went there who would have been me at home and asked a question can all dragons do that why was only that dragon. Everybody in a conversation is literally blaming him for not knowing how does that make sense
@@lonelywolf5659 He should have known that if you leave a corpse out for a long time it will start to rot.
@@lonelywolf5659 not really. To stick to the theme of the clip, what ren did would be like if spider man fought and knocked out a super villain and just left them unconscious in a random alley without tying them up or disarming them at all. The hero usually can't stick around for the aftermath, but they should do something to ensure the cleanup goes well otherwise the problem just comes back, in the case of the spiderman analogy, the super villain goes free with the cops never knowing he was there, in Ren's case, the plague and zombie dragon.
@@lonelywolf5659 Dude looks like 16 how do expect him to think? And besides Its common for no side effects to come from rotting bodies, how was Ren supposed to know it would cause a plague? Yes he was irresponsible but again, look how young he looks.
Flame Mixtape3342 Ren was the youngest of the four, and I think he was 18. Also, while this might’ve been overlooked, when the three listed off what game they were in, Ren called it a VMMORPG, or virtual reality game, like Overlord. The other two just had a computer game, their situations similar to Log horizon, but Ren has a full dive game. Considering the world operates with video game logic, he might’ve genuinely thought that he was still in the game and that monster bodies disappear, like in a game
0:05
So kawaii when you spit on her face
Wtf
Stay in the house and open the door when anyone called fbi is there
Don’t make any weird ideas people
now hol up
Be funnier if it was coffee
Sword hero is possibly the second most righteous hero since he accepts his mistakes and tries to correct them
I hope Ren gets to have some character development in the next seasons. He seems to be the only one of those three who can actually think
🎶Spider-Man,Spider-Man,can do what ever a spider can.🎶
Time Master101 Spider-Man, Spider-Man, can do things better than Itsuki can
@@Odneyrae nice one
Perry Nguyen
*"Hero things, any size/you can't do, just like that/Bow dude... You're no Spider-Man~"*
Everyone before among us: cool
Everyone after among us: sus
Ren is honestly my favourite character I hope he gets more screen time in the second season
Ren has always been my favorite of the 3 cause he is willing to hear Naofumi out hell in this scene he seems to believe him about the zombie dragon and disease
Ren is my favourite hero and the most understandable with Naofumi
By the way, Ren has the same voice as Fuutarou and Kirito
Well I will be glad to tell u that he gets an arc later in the series and gets redeemed and by redeemed he becomes a more likeable character
Judging by the pacing of season 1, it won't be till season 3
Funny enough, he's the parody of Kirito. I mean, look at him!
@@lcobos94 is this series the type to end at 20 episodes take half a year or an entire year so break then come back? Or is season 2 already prepared orrr???? Really don't want to lose this series
@@PenguinZpoison season one will have 25 episodes not sure if it confirmed for season 2 or not (they would be a fool to not continue this) but the schedule you stated is where the anime industry is going(which is smart)
i think the weekly releases should stop and just do this, there is too many anime projects to work on and it leads to reused and bad animations (black clover and one piece is an example)
with the amount of light novel content we currently have(in english) we could have about 5/6 seasons worth of episodes(more if you consider the japanese releases)
Also Bell from DanMachi, Betelgeuse from Re:Zero, Masamune from Eromanga Sensei, Soma from Shokugeki no Soma, and Sora from No Game No Life.
Plus a ton of other roles, most of which involve him being the protagonist. Yoshitsugu Matsuoka's got a pretty decently-sized and well-known resume.
Ren was the only one out of the three weapon heroes that I actually liked and hoped would see the truth sooner
what's more common to see? a spear / shield set? or a sword and shield set?
i would have liked to see ren be the first hero to start interacting and bonding more with naofumi and his gang. instead of motoyasu
“With great power comes great responsibility.” Funny you should say that considering Glass is in the next episode.
This was proof that all Naofumi was doing is being an actual hero before the wave, trying to survive, help others and prepare for the wave.
If this part wasn't in the show it would come later and later until it couldn't not happen, it was a neccesary moment for the story to keep going.
It's overly a badass moment for Naofumi not as a hero or as a warrior, as a person.
"Someone needs to be taught that with great power comes great responsibility."
Oh the irony...
the way I see the sword hero is like that one meme
"Hes a little confused but hes got the spirit"
You’d think the other heroes would start taking advice from the shield hero by now.
Ooohhh
They will .... eventually
Cant wait won't be for a while though
Yeah, it's gonna take almost ten whole light novel volumes worth of time for the things Naofumi says to finally start sinking into their skulls.
@@Serpentking789 Ive got life & time I can wait. :)
@@Serpentking789 based on the pacing of season one, it will probably be in season 3
@@Serpentking789 how many light novel volume has the anime cover so far ?
Itsuki: With great power comes...
Peter B. Parker: Don't you dare finished that sentence! Don't do it!
Can we get Grouchy- Middle-Aged Spidey in here to punch him, then give a thorough lecture on "How To Hero," please?
@@thebighurt2495 with Captain America teaching Motoyatsu a lesson about respecting the shield.
Shield Hero: I understood that reference!
0:01 Upon Uncle Ben's honor, I WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN!
-Charlie Kelly, Master Bird Lawyer... probably
This scene is so satisfying, they get told they are completely fucking things and having to have their messes cleaned up after them.
At least Swordsuke actually seems like a decent person.
He is, he's the most reasonable of the bunch
You're going to be horrified you'll probably forget that I told you this by the time you find what I was talking about
@gillette no something much worse
@gillette I'm talking about is only involving sword hero
@gillette I'll say this much. Curse Weapons have some nasty downsides.
I like how ren is the youngest but more mature than the bow and spear hero
He's already beginning to earn my respect for taking the L like a man and choosing to listen to Naofumi
Ren is the mose decent of the three other heroes. Where Itsuki feels like he's an anime protagonist and tries to be cool and is super self-righteous about it and Motoyasu is on a journey to find out how dumb you can be while being manipulated into bs by his snake companion, being a possible paedophile all the while, Ren isn't on some ego-trip but actually trying to be a good hero and helping the people. He's open-minded toward Naofumi despite the prejudice and acknowledges his own mistakes and tries to learn from them.
He's not the beast that Naofumi is, but he's definitely the second-best hero out there by a big distance
I just love the fact that this show made a Spider-Man reference! LMFAO! So random yet so funny!!!
Actually it doesnt have a spiderman reference in that dialogue, the subs just do what they want.
I always felt like one of the main differences between Naofumi and the other heroes was that he didn't go into this with expectations. The other three got pulled into video games from their worlds, while Naofumi got pulled into a light novel.
Video games have certain expectations: Finish a quest, get a reward, move onto the next quest. Whenever something you do perminantly affects the world, it is either a main story arc or the designers are really detail-oriented. Sword, Spear, and Bow all aproach this world with the mentality: Yeah they help with the main quest, but the spend their down times goofing off and expecting rinse-and-repeat side missions.
Light Novels, on the other hand, usually have a lot of thought and worldbuilding built into them. Novel writers expect their readers to analyize and remember every detail of their world, so they have to keep things consistent. Every action by the characters has a reaction by the world. It's assumed that once your main charater leaves an area, life will go on for the characters left behind.
TL:DR, Naofumi is living in a world he has to adapt to, while the other heroes expect this world to act like a video game.
case in point the dragon body in games bodies disappear and you can ignore it
Wow, you actually managed to get ahead of the story XD
0:12 ah yes, naofumi, a man of culture 👌
I can’t really blame Ren for thinking it like a game when they have health bars, a skill tree and magic
He's a parody of Kirito. And he also lived in a Japan world where VRMMO's are a thing.
Spider-Man: "Boy, what did you just said?!"
At least Ren is somewhat reasonable, he just has no one around him to provide second opinions because he cuts himself off from people. It’s a stupid thing to do and just as problematic, but it’s more manageable than itsuki or Motoyasu
Wait......DID THIS SHOW JUST MADE A MARVEL REFERENCE!?!! ok I'm in love with this show more now
Glad that *eventually* Ren got his head out of his ass (granted it took a while).
Ren is the youngest hero, yet he is the most mature out of the other heroes... He is the only one who is able to accept responsibility for his actions and is the only one who actually listens to what Naofumi listens to.
He's still an idiot, but he's definitely not as bad as the other 2.
For some reason,
The bow and the spear heroes get on my nerves!
Though I don't know what to think about Kirito hero🤔
Spear Hero/Motoyasu seems like an utter idiot. I believe he does have actual good intentions (and a bunch of weird fetishes), but he's so stupid that he becomes the pawn of any asshole with a bit of smarts.
Bow Hero/Itsuki, from what I've heart, has an ego the size of a planet. Basically, he cares only about his public image, not about doing actual good. And he was pretty dumb, trying to pull a Batman and not reveal he was the one aiding the insurgentes. Of course they didn't pay him, they thought it could've been anyone.
Sword Hero/Ren seems like the most balanced of them all. The main issue he has, or so I've heard, is that he has this obssessed mentality that he MUST be *"the best".* No matter what. And that apperantly becomes a problem in a later arc. But that aside, it seems pretty obvious he's at least decent and humble enough to recognize when he has screwed up. That already puts him LEAGUES above Itsuki.
Read the manga, and for the most part Motoyasu became somewhat redeemable, bow hero kinda loses his shit for a while and becomes full one asshole, and sword hero just kinda exist
That wasn't even slightly funny
Shield Hero was not the Imposter.
2 imposters remain
0:04 I need it on repeat
Fixing a problem with a sword doesn’t always work, but Shielding the problem from worsening is better than nothing
Itsuki: with Great power comes great responsibility
Peter: Keep my uncle’s word out of your F*cking mouth
I like the spider man reference
'With great power comes a great responsibility'
'I didn’t know you were bitten by a spider before'
This is why I like REN I need to see him get some development
Sword and Bow Hero: I found you, faker!
Shield Hero: Faker? I think you're the fake heroes around here
Is this a Sonic referrence or something? :)
Rumeysa Ongül Yes.
0:21 Forgets that Naofumi isn't a member of the guild, and therefore would have no way of doing that.
0:05 that’s too cute
0:15 I, I understood that reference.
@@MetalRaydown except 99% of present people in this scene.
From now on, I am going to call the Bow, Sword and Spear heroes "The Three Cardinal Stooges".