Even if Muhammad Ali had not knocked out George Foreman in the eighth round, and the fight went the full fifteen rounds, Ali looked headed for a landslide victory on points. Ali kept scoring points on punches he gave Foreman, such as numerous jabs to Foreman's face, hooks, and right hand leads. The year was 1974 and videography was not as sophisticated as it is today in 2024, which is not to say I am demeaning or downgrading the footage of the fight, because the footage of the fight is excellent by the standards of those times, and the standards of today too. What therefore is my point regarding the coverage of the fight? My point is that quite a number of punches landed by both Ali and Foreman are left out in the footage of the fight, because like I say, the entire ring was not covered by multiple cameras, in multiple positions, in different angles, capable of multiple instant replays, so there are quite a number of instances where you hear commentators David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches not seen on screen, and the manner in which Frost and Brown call out the punches clearly indicates that they were class punches. There were punches only seen by the fight commentators and spectators, and even then, not all punches, 100% of them, were quite seen by all the spectators, including the fight commentators, because it was a high paced fight, a high pace that Ali laid and set from the very start, so there was a lot that went on in that ring on 30th October 1974, that only three men in particular, will quite remain privy to for all time, the three men being George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, and referee, Zack Clayton, the three men in the "boiler room," in immediate range, from round one to round eight, speaking of which, referee, Zack Clayton, handled that fight very well, and he was a strong and powerful guy too, shown by the ease with which he kept pushing Foreman and Ali apart. Overall, Ali worked smart, not hard, Foreman the opposite. Foreman too though landed a significant number of good punches, both those seen on screen, and those not seen on screen, the ones, pretty much, only seen by the spectators, including the fight commentators. Like I say, the manner in which David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches, by both Foreman and Ali, those not seen on screen that is, is a sign that they were something else. Muhammad Ali no doubt took a risk, a big one at that, because just one hard solid punch from George Foreman, could have knocked out Muhammad Ali, the closest I note, being in the fifth round, where George Foreman throws a full power right hook at Muhammad Ali, that Muhammad Ali ducks just in time, which only also further demonstrates how on guard Muhammad Ali and his reflexes were. Muhammad Ali dictated the pace of that fight from start to finish, Muhammad Ali was the man of the moment. Isn't it interesting that the George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight of 1974, which turns 50 years old on 30th October 2024, is still being discussed in the way that it is after just under 50 years now? When events "refuse" to go away, they become legendary, and when individuals "refuse" to go away, they become legends. Does that therefore make both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, legends. I think it does. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
George is one of the greatest, I agree. However, Ali exposed George as a fighter, not a boxer during that fight. When George came back, he was a more complete boxer.
“When we were Kings” for me is hands down the best sporting documentary I’ve ever seen! For anyone that’s not seen it and is interested in Ali, Foreman and everything that surrounded the Rumble in the Jungle…go watch it!!👍🏽
Once again, great truth, Teddy Atlas drops unless you’re a kid who doesn’t understand things yet it’s always your choice in life on how you react to situations
Outward driven folk will always let circumstances control their destiny.. if you don’t like your circumstances and can’t change them.. then one must change their perspective of the circumstances
Great take by Teddy Atlas on the parallels between "The Rumble in the Jungle" of 1974 and life lessons we can all learn from that iconic 1974 George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight. Even if Muhammad Ali had not knocked out George Foreman in the eighth round, and the fight went the full fifteen rounds, Ali looked headed for a landslide victory on points. Ali kept scoring points on punches he gave Foreman, such as numerous jabs to Foreman's face, hooks, and right hand leads. The year was 1974 and videography was not as sophisticated as it is today in 2024, which is not to say I am demeaning or downgrading the footage of the fight, because the footage of the fight is excellent by the standards of those times, and the standards of today too. What therefore is my point regarding the coverage of the fight? My point is that quite a number of punches landed by both Ali and Foreman are left out in the footage of the fight, because like I say, the entire ring was not covered by multiple cameras, in multiple positions, in different angles, capable of multiple instant replays, so there are quite a number of instances where you hear commentators David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches not seen on screen, and the manner in which Frost and Brown call out the punches clearly indicates that they were class punches. There were punches only seen by the fight commentators and spectators, and even then, not all punches, 100% of them, were quite seen by all the spectators, including the fight commentators, because it was a high paced fight, a high pace that Ali laid and set from the very start, so there was a lot that went on in that ring on 30th October 1974, that only three men in particular, will quite remain privy to for all time, the three men being George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, and referee, Zack Clayton, the three men in the "boiler room," in immediate range, from round one to round eight, speaking of which, referee, Zack Clayton, handled that fight very well, and he was a strong and powerful guy too, shown by the ease with which he kept pushing Foreman and Ali apart. Overall, Ali worked smart, not hard, Foreman the opposite. Foreman too though landed a significant number of good punches, both those seen on screen, and those not seen on screen, the ones, pretty much, only seen by the spectators, including the fight commentators. Like I say, the manner in which David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches, by both Foreman and Ali, those not seen on screen that is, is a sign that they were something else. Muhammad Ali no doubt took a risk, a big one at that, because just one hard solid punch from George Foreman, could have knocked out Muhammad Ali, the closest I note, being in the fifth round, where George Foreman throws a full power right hook at Muhammad Ali, that Muhammad Ali ducks just in time, which only also further demonstrates how on guard Muhammad Ali and his reflexes were. Muhammad Ali dictated the pace of that fight from start to finish, Muhammad Ali was the man of the moment. Isn't it interesting that the George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight of 1974, which turns 50 years old on 30th October 2024, is still being discussed in the way that it is after just under 50 years now? When events "refuse" to go away, they become legendary, and when individuals "refuse" to go away, they become legends. Does that therefore make both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, legends. I think it does. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
They became friends and George didn't rise up in the ranks after losing his title for it to be worth Ali giving him a rematch. Ali fought shavers who could hit ever harder and went 15 rounds with him and almost knocked shavers out. Ali would have won the rematch.
@@CahyaTroy lol Shavers was never a great fighter Foreman was, and you’re just assuming George had like 5 wins 5 knocks out he more than deserved a fight especially when Ali gave Frazier and Norton trilogies but couldn’t give big George a rematch. He knew lightning didn’t strike twice.
@@therumbleinthejunglee Shavers wasn't a great fighter but he could hit harder than anyone. Frazier and Norton both got rematches and trilogies because they beat Ali the first times. Foreman should have got a rematch but lost all hope of that when he retired after suffering an embarassing loss to Jimmy Young.
@@CahyaTroy Ron Lyle who fought both Shavers and Foreman made an interesting comparison when asked which hit the hardest. He said the both hit hard but while Foreman's punch felt like a heavy thud, Shaver's punch felt like a shotgun blast.
"George Foreman is not as good of a fighter, scientific as I am, but I admit he's stronger, and he hits harder.. . But I'll tell you this: Boxing ability. Speed. Whooping him on points - for the distance if necessary - then I'll whoop him." - The Greatest.
Ali held and laid his way to the win that fight and it tired Foreman out. George was too young and nervous to realize he could cheat his way to a win. Ali didn’t out box George. He did great with his straight right, but he didn’t out box him/inflict more damage.
Shannon Sharpe brought in a new method.These lil snippets and clips won't last up against others that are doing 30 million views in 3 days.Then another 35 million off of clips from the same interview.Shannon Sharpe Got the Crown right now.
@@erikmurray9564 Katt Williams was gonna do numbers regardless, the 2nd interview doing numbers now cos he's attracted a big crowd with the katt interview. Like Katt said in the interview it's going to take his channel into a whole different dimension
Imo, Foreman didn't get KOed vs Ali. He was extremely gassed out, and defeated mentally. He was too spent physically and mentally to want to continue. We would all later learn that Foremans chin was rock solid. Ali lasted and protected himself enough to drag Foreman into deep water, and Foreman had never been in that situation. Foreman learned the most he ever learned in all his fights combined that night vs Ali.
That’s cause Foreman’s drinking water was spike with medication. That’s why Ali just laid on the ropes all of those rounds letting Foreman swing away enough to speed up the process of that medication. Cause as you said Foreman wasn’t KO’d he was out of breath like he had ran 400 yard meter dash or something.
@bossplayermfs5972 I don't know anything about that. It was hotter than hell there in Zaire too. Ali was also getting away with a lot of pulling down on Foremans head and neck. Just a combination of several things. But Foreman should've had the wherewithal and situational awareness to realize that he wasn't gonna last at that pace.
@@bossplayermfs5972 Then what was Foreman's excuse against Jimmy Young? He didn't knock Foreman out but owned him the entire fight. Foreman lost a lopsided decision and spent the last few rounds continually looking up at the clock, waiting for it to run out. The fact is before Foreman retired the first time he had no stamina and was done if the didn't fininsh his opponent by round five.
Jimmy Young put up very little offence compared to Ali. Ali was getting his shots in on George and you can see Foreman's black and blue face after the fight. Young mostly held and was in survival mode. Foreman just exhausted himself out in in the San Juan heat. George didn't get acclimated to the San Juan climate before the fight, arriving too near the fight date.@@rovingwarrior3710
George is one of the Greats, but in Zaire he came up against the Greatest, who proceeded to do what no other fighter before or since could. Beat him up and stop him. Ali Bomaye!
We are 12 segments in, let’s check the unofficial scorecard. I have it 11 parts to 1, Teddy Atlas. Listen, Teddy is winning this thing hands down, no question about it! But for the first time in this interview, DJ Vlad is mounting some type of offense. Vlad totally dominated the first minute of this segment with a classic extended lead in question and by managing to over-talk the Great Bloviater, Teddy Atlas, something he’s been unable to do up until now. If Vlad can keep this up and somehow steer the conversation toward his favorite subject, Tupac Shakur, he’s got a shot at an upset. But right now, Teddy is in total control! 119 Teddy Atlas, 109 DJ Vlad!
@@Notdroc Not True, The 2 main bouts imo that changed Ali was the thrilla in manilla and his shavers bout. Tim whiterspoon said that after the Shavers fight Ali went to the dressing room and he sat there and said to tim he cannot stop his hand from shaking. from that point onwards, ali started to slur in his interviews. ali barley got hit in the head in the rumble in the jungle it was all body shots, the only marks ali had on the face was a bloodshot eye from an accidental eye poke from foreman.
@@Razah. It was a combination of all of those fights that took a toll on him physically and mentally. Constant body blows take a toll on you mentally. Subjecting yourself to extremely harmful environments when you are constantly battered isn't good. George Foreman even said that during that bout he was literally trying to kill Ali. He said he hit Ali so hard that he heard Ali take a deep breath. Those fights destroyed his body and mind. Whenever you are hit extremely hard it has an effect on your brain.
@@Notdrocidk every body is different sugar ray robinson and jake lamotta fought 4 times 15 rounds each and ja lamotta was getting beat each fight except the 1st one and he lived to 97 able to talk walk and communicate
Ali didn't want to rematch Foreman. Foreman didn't need to go to championship rounds because ppl couldn't make it past the 3rd tops. Foreman legit fought 4 or 5 guys after the Ali fight in one night.
There’s was a lot of messed up things that happened to Big George Foreman with his fight with Muhammad Ali, hence why Ali never gave him a rematch. He fought Frazier three times, Norton three times Spinks two times but he never gave Big George Foreman a rematch.
It seemed Foreman and Ali both were a little afraid of a rematch. Foreman said he thought Ali didn't want to take those puches from him again and he was glad because he didn't really want to get in the ring with Ali again, being that he thought Ali was the bravest man he ever knew.
Because Big George Foreman inflicted so much damage, especially to the body. He could breake the punching bag, you cold see the sand coming from it. Never seen that before or after ever again.
@@rovingwarrior3710 No Big George Foreman wasn’t afraid of a rematch hell he asked Muhammad Ali for one and Ali told him no George has said in a few interviews.
@@bossplayermfs5972 George also said what I just mentioned previously, you can Google it. I'm sure he said that he would like a rematch with Ali at some point but I surely don't recall him making a big fuss about it the way most boxers do when they want a rematch. Foreman was quoted just last year saying. “Once in the ring with The great Ali was enough for me. If I’d changed my approach (back then) He’d had another plan. Nothing beat some fighters'.
Foreman’s invincibility was exposed. Which is why he did that nutty “Five men in Toronto” fiasco .. all his words btw. But he had an absolute war with Ron Lyle post Ali. Lyle was up there with Foreman as one of the hardest hitters. Lyle drove Foremans tooth through his lip and Foreman broke Lyle’s mouthpiece.
Jimmy Young too humbled George Foreman in 1977, knocking him down in the final round, and winning the fight on points. Jimmy Young fought a great fight, George Foreman fought a dirty one. George Foreman was full of himself, back then anyway, in the 1990s too, I note, as seen in his fight with Gerry Cooney. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
Not only that he knew that he couldn’t cheat again by having Foreman’s water spiked with medication and having them to loosen the ring ropes so he could lay them giving the medication enough to time kick in.
George Foreman too ducked a mandatory title defence against Axel Schulz in 1995, after George Foreman recaptured the heavyweight title of the world title from Michael Moorer in 1994. Jimmy Young too humbled George Foreman in 1977, knocking him down in the final round, and winning the fight on points. Jimmy Young fought a great fight, George Foreman fought a dirty one. George Foreman was full of himself, back then anyway, in the 1990s too, I note, as seen in his fight with Gerry Cooney. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
I think Ali up until 1975-1976 could defeat Foreman. After that he began to fade, so yeah... Ali's out boxing style was very effective against Foreman and he didn't use the Rope-A-Dope until Round 3 or 4 (he won the first 2 rounds btw). If Ali boxed against Foreman, he would win a comfortable decision against him, for sure.
Foreman was unstoppable in that era. Not trying to correct you, just letting folks know that Foreman had a streak of 30 + straight knockouts. And he wasn't fighting 'tomato cans.' So I'm sharing that for fans like me b/c I know that blew me away.
@@brob8204 you're Right he was unstoppable, he also came back and won the title way after his prime, just me over speaking wishing he had a better jab.
@@brob8204 Even if Muhammad Ali had not knocked out George Foreman in the eighth round, and the fight went the full fifteen rounds, Ali looked headed for a landslide victory on points. Ali kept scoring points on punches he gave Foreman, such as numerous jabs to Foreman's face, hooks, and right hand leads. The year was 1974 and videography was not as sophisticated as it is today in 2024, which is not to say I am demeaning or downgrading the footage of the fight, because the footage of the fight is excellent by the standards of those times, and the standards of today too. What therefore is my point regarding the coverage of the fight? My point is that quite a number of punches landed by both Ali and Foreman are left out in the footage of the fight, because like I say, the entire ring was not covered by multiple cameras, in multiple positions, in different angles, capable of multiple instant replays, so there are quite a number of instances where you hear commentators David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches not seen on screen, and the manner in which Frost and Brown call out the punches clearly indicates that they were class punches. There were punches only seen by the fight commentators and spectators, and even then, not all punches, 100% of them, were quite seen by all the spectators, including the fight commentators, because it was a high paced fight, a high pace that Ali laid and set from the very start, so there was a lot that went on in that ring on 30th October 1974, that only three men in particular, will quite remain privy to for all time, the three men being George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, and referee, Zack Clayton, the three men in the "boiler room," in immediate range, from round one to round eight, speaking of which, referee, Zack Clayton, handled that fight very well, and he was a strong and powerful guy too, shown by the ease with which he kept pushing Foreman and Ali apart. Overall, Ali worked smart, not hard, Foreman the opposite. Foreman too though landed a significant number of good punches, both those seen on screen, and those not seen on screen, the ones, pretty much, only seen by the spectators, including the fight commentators. Like I say, the manner in which David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches, by both Foreman and Ali, those not seen on screen that is, is a sign that they were something else. Muhammad Ali no doubt took a risk, a big one at that, because just one hard solid punch from George Foreman, could have knocked out Muhammad Ali, the closest I note, being in the fifth round, where George Foreman throws a full power right hook at Muhammad Ali, that Muhammad Ali ducks just in time, which only also further demonstrates how on guard Muhammad Ali and his reflexes were. Muhammad Ali dictated the pace of that fight from start to finish, Muhammad Ali was the man of the moment. Isn't it interesting that the George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight of 1974, which turns 50 years old on 30th October 2024, is still being discussed in the way that it is after just under 50 years now? When events "refuse" to go away, they become legendary, and when individuals "refuse" to go away, they become legends. Does that therefore make both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, legends. I think it does. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
If young Foreman had the skill and mind of old Foreman Ali would not have won I don't believe, and Ali was truly great. I will say this that isn't talked about much the snap on Ali's punches were hurting from the beginning. When Ali threw in the first six rounds every one snapped Foreman and hurt him. It's always talked about the rope a dope but nobody talks about the way that snap on those punches were all hurting him.
But the young George would have ko'd Holyfield and even these heavyweight bums of this specific weak era where nobody actually wants to fight each other...
I would like to see what people think about prime Foreman vs prime Lennox Lewis . George was strong but Lennox is even biger heavyier and better boxer for sure . I would realy like to se coments
George Foreman has been trying to get to Zaire for 2 weeks. They kept delaying his flight until the day of the fight. He suffered from jet lag if you go back and watch the fight you will see that at the end of the fight he is asked about jet lag and he didn't even know what it was... Quit telling this damn lie
To explain this in the life of bitter teddy atlas When foreman won the title no as the oldest ever at 45 over michael moorer Who was Moore's trainer in his corner ? Teddy Atlas
NNNNAAAAWWWW,.. GEORGE FOREMAN WAS NNNEEEVVVEEERRR EXPOSED!!! GEORGE FOREMAN SAID THAT HE UNDERESTIMATED MUHAMMAD ALI,.. & THAT'S WHY HE LOST!!! IF HE WOULD HAVE WON,.. PEOPLE WOULD BE CALLING HIM, "THE GREATEST",.. POINT BLANK PERIODTTT!!!
That cut off at :30 was one of Vlad's coldest ever. Pound for pound talk over king
Rite 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not ‘pound for pound’ 😂💀
Haha 100% he is the GOAT
That fight cemented Ali as the Goat.
I always said that🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Even if Muhammad Ali had not knocked out George Foreman in the eighth round, and the fight went the full fifteen rounds, Ali looked headed for a landslide victory on points. Ali kept scoring points on punches he gave Foreman, such as numerous jabs to Foreman's face, hooks, and right hand leads. The year was 1974 and videography was not as sophisticated as it is today in 2024, which is not to say I am demeaning or downgrading the footage of the fight, because the footage of the fight is excellent by the standards of those times, and the standards of today too.
What therefore is my point regarding the coverage of the fight? My point is that quite a number of punches landed by both Ali and Foreman are left out in the footage of the fight, because like I say, the entire ring was not covered by multiple cameras, in multiple positions, in different angles, capable of multiple instant replays, so there are quite a number of instances where you hear commentators David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches not seen on screen, and the manner in which Frost and Brown call out the punches clearly indicates that they were class punches.
There were punches only seen by the fight commentators and spectators, and even then, not all punches, 100% of them, were quite seen by all the spectators, including the fight commentators, because it was a high paced fight, a high pace that Ali laid and set from the very start, so there was a lot that went on in that ring on 30th October 1974, that only three men in particular, will quite remain privy to for all time, the three men being George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, and referee, Zack Clayton, the three men in the "boiler room," in immediate range, from round one to round eight, speaking of which, referee, Zack Clayton, handled that fight very well, and he was a strong and powerful guy too, shown by the ease with which he kept pushing Foreman and Ali apart.
Overall, Ali worked smart, not hard, Foreman the opposite.
Foreman too though landed a significant number of good punches, both those seen on screen, and those not seen on screen, the ones, pretty much, only seen by the spectators, including the fight commentators. Like I say, the manner in which David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches, by both Foreman and Ali, those not seen on screen that is, is a sign that they were something else.
Muhammad Ali no doubt took a risk, a big one at that, because just one hard solid punch from George Foreman, could have knocked out Muhammad Ali, the closest I note, being in the fifth round, where George Foreman throws a full power right hook at Muhammad Ali, that Muhammad Ali ducks just in time, which only also further demonstrates how on guard Muhammad Ali and his reflexes were. Muhammad Ali dictated the pace of that fight from start to finish, Muhammad Ali was the man of the moment.
Isn't it interesting that the George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight of 1974, which turns 50 years old on 30th October 2024, is still being discussed in the way that it is after just under 50 years now? When events "refuse" to go away, they become legendary, and when individuals "refuse" to go away, they become legends.
Does that therefore make both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, legends. I think it does.
Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
@JonSerrato Me too! Like Jordan In '98
“Exposed” Nah bruh George Foreman was one of the greatest heavyweights ever ! 💯
Exposed his weaknesses, yes. George can get exposed AND be one of the greatest heavyweights ever.
He was exposed like it or not, the rope a dope did that 💯
George is one of the greatest, I agree. However, Ali exposed George as a fighter, not a boxer during that fight. When George came back, he was a more complete boxer.
If not the greatest.
Everyone can be exposed.
“When we were Kings” for me is hands down the best sporting documentary I’ve ever seen! For anyone that’s not seen it and is interested in Ali, Foreman and everything that surrounded the Rumble in the Jungle…go watch it!!👍🏽
Once again, great truth, Teddy Atlas drops unless you’re a kid who doesn’t understand things yet it’s always your choice in life on how you react to situations
Teddy Atlas true stand-up guy no bullshit, right is right and wrong is wrong, he's his own man, I love it.
My grandfather always said this about that fight “Ali outsmarted him plain and simple”
Absolutely.
Am about to be a granny,and I'll tell my grannies IT YOUR CHOICE
Well spoken and alot of people need to hear the message in what he said!
Man Teddy's dropping some Cus D'Amato level wisdom here, I love it!!
Damn vlad let him answer first before interrupting 😂
I agree.
Outward driven folk will always let circumstances control their destiny.. if you don’t like your circumstances and can’t change them.. then one must change their perspective of the circumstances
Great take by Teddy Atlas on the parallels between "The Rumble in the Jungle" of 1974 and life lessons we can all learn from that iconic 1974 George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight. Even if Muhammad Ali had not knocked out George Foreman in the eighth round, and the fight went the full fifteen rounds, Ali looked headed for a landslide victory on points. Ali kept scoring points on punches he gave Foreman, such as numerous jabs to Foreman's face, hooks, and right hand leads. The year was 1974 and videography was not as sophisticated as it is today in 2024, which is not to say I am demeaning or downgrading the footage of the fight, because the footage of the fight is excellent by the standards of those times, and the standards of today too.
What therefore is my point regarding the coverage of the fight? My point is that quite a number of punches landed by both Ali and Foreman are left out in the footage of the fight, because like I say, the entire ring was not covered by multiple cameras, in multiple positions, in different angles, capable of multiple instant replays, so there are quite a number of instances where you hear commentators David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches not seen on screen, and the manner in which Frost and Brown call out the punches clearly indicates that they were class punches.
There were punches only seen by the fight commentators and spectators, and even then, not all punches, 100% of them, were quite seen by all the spectators, including the fight commentators, because it was a high paced fight, a high pace that Ali laid and set from the very start, so there was a lot that went on in that ring on 30th October 1974, that only three men in particular, will quite remain privy to for all time, the three men being George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, and referee, Zack Clayton, the three men in the "boiler room," in immediate range, from round one to round eight, speaking of which, referee, Zack Clayton, handled that fight very well, and he was a strong and powerful guy too, shown by the ease with which he kept pushing Foreman and Ali apart.
Overall, Ali worked smart, not hard, Foreman the opposite.
Foreman too though landed a significant number of good punches, both those seen on screen, and those not seen on screen, the ones, pretty much, only seen by the spectators, including the fight commentators. Like I say, the manner in which David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches, by both Foreman and Ali, those not seen on screen that is, is a sign that they were something else.
Muhammad Ali no doubt took a risk, a big one at that, because just one hard solid punch from George Foreman, could have knocked out Muhammad Ali, the closest I note, being in the fifth round, where George Foreman throws a full power right hook at Muhammad Ali, that Muhammad Ali ducks just in time, which only also further demonstrates how on guard Muhammad Ali and his reflexes were. Muhammad Ali dictated the pace of that fight from start to finish, Muhammad Ali was the man of the moment.
Isn't it interesting that the George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight of 1974, which turns 50 years old on 30th October 2024, is still being discussed in the way that it is after just under 50 years now? When events "refuse" to go away, they become legendary, and when individuals "refuse" to go away, they become legends.
Does that therefore make both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, legends. I think it does.
Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
Because they are both legends... and icons!!
@@truebeliever786Something like that🙂
his post Ali life was his greatest...
which can be all of us when we give in to knowledge, wisdom and understanding... 🕊🙌🙏
Big George never got exposed he was chasing that Muhammad Ali rematch down for years and lost interest after not getting it.
They became friends and George didn't rise up in the ranks after losing his title for it to be worth Ali giving him a rematch. Ali fought shavers who could hit ever harder and went 15 rounds with him and almost knocked shavers out. Ali would have won the rematch.
@@CahyaTroy lol Shavers was never a great fighter Foreman was, and you’re just assuming George had like 5 wins 5 knocks out he more than deserved a fight especially when Ali gave Frazier and Norton trilogies but couldn’t give big George a rematch. He knew lightning didn’t strike twice.
@@therumbleinthejunglee Shavers wasn't a great fighter but he could hit harder than anyone. Frazier and Norton both got rematches and trilogies because they beat Ali the first times. Foreman should have got a rematch but lost all hope of that when he retired after suffering an embarassing loss to Jimmy Young.
@@CahyaTroy Ron Lyle who fought both Shavers and Foreman made an interesting comparison when asked which hit the hardest. He said the both hit hard but while Foreman's punch felt like a heavy thud, Shaver's punch felt like a shotgun blast.
Never ever cut Teddy Atlas off ever
"George Foreman is not as good of a fighter, scientific as I am, but I admit he's stronger, and he hits harder.. . But I'll tell you this: Boxing ability. Speed. Whooping him on points - for the distance if necessary - then I'll whoop him." - The Greatest.
Really?? I think you have been playing with yourself too much.
Ali held and laid his way to the win that fight and it tired Foreman out. George was too young and nervous to realize he could cheat his way to a win. Ali didn’t out box George. He did great with his straight right, but he didn’t out box him/inflict more damage.
@@MightyMick88you realize he's quoting Ali right?
@@michaellopez2070Explain that further please. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
@@seanharris3569It's obvious reading isn't his first language. Guess he didn't see the quotes either.
The power of self belief
I love hearing this man talk
Shannon Sharpe brought in a new method.These lil snippets and clips won't last up against others that are doing 30 million views in 3 days.Then another 35 million off of clips from the same interview.Shannon Sharpe Got the Crown right now.
I agree. 50 million for a Katt Williams in 2 weeks, and 1 million for Kountry Wayne in one day. Both interviews are over 2 hours.
Everybody ain’t gotta hustle same way.. money is money.
Facts it's more then that now
They are still making money, we ain’t getting.
@@erikmurray9564 Katt Williams was gonna do numbers regardless, the 2nd interview doing numbers now cos he's attracted a big crowd with the katt interview. Like Katt said in the interview it's going to take his channel into a whole different dimension
Imo, Foreman didn't get KOed vs Ali. He was extremely gassed out, and defeated mentally. He was too spent physically and mentally to want to continue. We would all later learn that Foremans chin was rock solid. Ali lasted and protected himself enough to drag Foreman into deep water, and Foreman had never been in that situation. Foreman learned the most he ever learned in all his fights combined that night vs Ali.
That’s cause Foreman’s drinking water was spike with medication. That’s why Ali just laid on the ropes all of those rounds letting Foreman swing away enough to speed up the process of that medication. Cause as you said Foreman wasn’t KO’d he was out of breath like he had ran 400 yard meter dash or something.
@bossplayermfs5972 I don't know anything about that. It was hotter than hell there in Zaire too. Ali was also getting away with a lot of pulling down on Foremans head and neck. Just a combination of several things. But Foreman should've had the wherewithal and situational awareness to realize that he wasn't gonna last at that pace.
@@bossplayermfs5972 Then what was Foreman's excuse against Jimmy Young? He didn't knock Foreman out but owned him the entire fight. Foreman lost a lopsided decision and spent the last few rounds continually looking up at the clock, waiting for it to run out. The fact is before Foreman retired the first time he had no stamina and was done if the didn't fininsh his opponent by round five.
Jimmy Young put up very little offence compared to Ali. Ali was getting his shots in on George and you can see Foreman's black and blue face after the fight. Young mostly held and was in survival mode. Foreman just exhausted himself out in in the San Juan heat. George didn't get acclimated to the San Juan climate before the fight, arriving too near the fight date.@@rovingwarrior3710
Ali dragged Foreman to the ninth layer of hair, and they said hi to Leon Edwards's dad.
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Nope
I love Teddy Atlas.
More Teddy!!!!
That one thing is true, the choices we make matter
I love how TA does most of the talking in this interview, you hardly hear from Vlad😂
Except when Vlad interrupts
Love Teddy. Great boxing mind. What’s he doing w his throat during short pauses between sentences?
George is one of the Greats, but in Zaire he came up against the Greatest, who proceeded to do what no other fighter before or since could. Beat him up and stop him.
Ali Bomaye!
We are 12 segments in, let’s check the unofficial scorecard. I have it 11 parts to 1, Teddy Atlas. Listen, Teddy is winning this thing hands down, no question about it! But for the first time in this interview, DJ Vlad is mounting some type of offense. Vlad totally dominated the first minute of this segment with a classic extended lead in question and by managing to over-talk the Great Bloviater, Teddy Atlas, something he’s been unable to do up until now. If Vlad can keep this up and somehow steer the conversation toward his favorite subject, Tupac Shakur, he’s got a shot at an upset. But right now, Teddy is in total control! 119 Teddy Atlas, 109 DJ Vlad!
What is wrong with Teddy Atlas? He seems to hiccup the whole interview. Hope he is ok.
Something wrong with his neck. It dont look right
@@northernking2604 hope it’s not cancer. Teddy is my guy. He’s like the only channel I watch when it comes to boxing analyses and predictions.
I think it is acid reflux
Foreman was the TRUTH
If that's what Holy field felt in 91, then imagine what Ali felt in 75 when Foreman was in his prime..... ?
1974 actually, not 1975.
*Holyfield
I still can’t understand how Ali withstood all those heavy blows Foreman hit him with 🥊
I was thinking the same thing. He was never the same after that fight.
@@Notdroc Not True, The 2 main bouts imo that changed Ali was the thrilla in manilla and his shavers bout. Tim whiterspoon said that after the Shavers fight Ali went to the dressing room and he sat there and said to tim he cannot stop his hand from shaking. from that point onwards, ali started to slur in his interviews. ali barley got hit in the head in the rumble in the jungle it was all body shots, the only marks ali had on the face was a bloodshot eye from an accidental eye poke from foreman.
@@Razah. It was a combination of all of those fights that took a toll on him physically and mentally. Constant body blows take a toll on you mentally. Subjecting yourself to extremely harmful environments when you are constantly battered isn't good. George Foreman even said that during that bout he was literally trying to kill Ali. He said he hit Ali so hard that he heard Ali take a deep breath. Those fights destroyed his body and mind. Whenever you are hit extremely hard it has an effect on your brain.
@@Notdrocidk every body is different sugar ray robinson and jake lamotta fought 4 times 15 rounds each and ja lamotta was getting beat each fight except the 1st one and he lived to 97 able to talk walk and communicate
It took a toll. Paid a price.
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Teddy talk about your guy Michael Moore getting exposed by Foreman 🥊
Or maybe Teddy got exposed as a trainer. Maybe both. Sometimes his psychological talk goes over the top.
Foreman had a damn sledgehammer in his glove
It’s wild too bc foreman had impeccable technique to go along with his uncanny power. He still just leaned on his power alone back in his youth
Shannon Sharpe is making Vlad seem like an irrelevant hack.
Nah
Not really
Comparison is the thief of joy
Teddy is an amazing guest
@@caper087Teddy is always burping or looks like he's about to pass out😅 maybe he got a whopper of a fart and he's holding it in😢
Foreman retired for almost 10 years after he lost to Jimmy Young. Ali did not retire Foreman, he beat him in a great fight.
Pops said it was like social media just for Foreman hate 😂😂😂
Ali didn't want to rematch Foreman. Foreman didn't need to go to championship rounds because ppl couldn't make it past the 3rd tops. Foreman legit fought 4 or 5 guys after the Ali fight in one night.
There’s was a lot of messed up things that happened to Big George Foreman with his fight with Muhammad Ali, hence why Ali never gave him a rematch. He fought Frazier three times, Norton three times Spinks two times but he never gave Big George Foreman a rematch.
It seemed Foreman and Ali both were a little afraid of a rematch. Foreman said he thought Ali didn't want to take those puches from him again and he was glad because he didn't really want to get in the ring with Ali again, being that he thought Ali was the bravest man he ever knew.
Because Big George Foreman inflicted so much damage, especially to the body. He could breake the punching bag, you cold see the sand coming from it. Never seen that before or after ever again.
@@rovingwarrior3710 No Big George Foreman wasn’t afraid of a rematch hell he asked Muhammad Ali for one and Ali told him no George has said in a few interviews.
@@bossplayermfs5972 George also said what I just mentioned previously, you can Google it. I'm sure he said that he would like a rematch with Ali at some point but I surely don't recall him making a big fuss about it the way most boxers do when they want a rematch.
Foreman was quoted just last year saying. “Once in the ring with The great Ali was enough for me. If I’d changed my approach (back then) He’d had another plan. Nothing beat some fighters'.
Tampering with the ring and postponing the fight threw Goerge off.
Ali was different
He lost to Norton arguably all fights. The guy Foreman destroyed... And Frazier. The guy Foreman destroyed..
@@MA1980c they all loss back then
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Foreman’s invincibility was exposed. Which is why he did that nutty “Five men in Toronto” fiasco .. all his words btw.
But he had an absolute war with Ron Lyle post Ali. Lyle was up there with Foreman as one of the hardest hitters.
Lyle drove Foremans tooth through his lip and Foreman broke Lyle’s mouthpiece.
Jimmy Young too humbled George Foreman in 1977, knocking him down in the final round, and winning the fight on points. Jimmy Young fought a great fight, George Foreman fought a dirty one. George Foreman was full of himself, back then anyway, in the 1990s too, I note, as seen in his fight with Gerry Cooney. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
How many interviews this dude go do on the same exact thing
Never gave George a rematch. But people have Ali rematch. He knew he wasn’t beating him twice
Not only that he knew that he couldn’t cheat again by having Foreman’s water spiked with medication and having them to loosen the ring ropes so he could lay them giving the medication enough to time kick in.
George Foreman too ducked a mandatory title defence against Axel Schulz in 1995, after George Foreman recaptured the heavyweight title of the world title from Michael Moorer in 1994. Jimmy Young too humbled George Foreman in 1977, knocking him down in the final round, and winning the fight on points. Jimmy Young fought a great fight, George Foreman fought a dirty one. George Foreman was full of himself, back then anyway, in the 1990s too, I note, as seen in his fight with Gerry Cooney. Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
@@bossplayermfs5972 Man, cut that medication nonsense out. You can't make a claim like that without evidence.
I think Ali up until 1975-1976 could defeat Foreman. After that he began to fade, so yeah... Ali's out boxing style was very effective against Foreman and he didn't use the Rope-A-Dope until Round 3 or 4 (he won the first 2 rounds btw). If Ali boxed against Foreman, he would win a comfortable decision against him, for sure.
@@truebeliever786 check up on it Ali didn’t want to give him a rematch.
I call bulshit on that TH-cam ad a Porsche is not cheap to maintain lol
If foreman had Ali's jab, he would have been unstoppable in that era .
Foreman was unstoppable in that era. Not trying to correct you, just letting folks know that Foreman had a streak of 30 + straight knockouts. And he wasn't fighting 'tomato cans.' So I'm sharing that for fans like me b/c I know that blew me away.
@@brob8204 you're Right he was unstoppable, he also came back and won the title way after his prime, just me over speaking wishing he had a better jab.
@@brob8204 Even if Muhammad Ali had not knocked out George Foreman in the eighth round, and the fight went the full fifteen rounds, Ali looked headed for a landslide victory on points. Ali kept scoring points on punches he gave Foreman, such as numerous jabs to Foreman's face, hooks, and right hand leads. The year was 1974 and videography was not as sophisticated as it is today in 2024, which is not to say I am demeaning or downgrading the footage of the fight, because the footage of the fight is excellent by the standards of those times, and the standards of today too.
What therefore is my point regarding the coverage of the fight? My point is that quite a number of punches landed by both Ali and Foreman are left out in the footage of the fight, because like I say, the entire ring was not covered by multiple cameras, in multiple positions, in different angles, capable of multiple instant replays, so there are quite a number of instances where you hear commentators David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches not seen on screen, and the manner in which Frost and Brown call out the punches clearly indicates that they were class punches.
There were punches only seen by the fight commentators and spectators, and even then, not all punches, 100% of them, were quite seen by all the spectators, including the fight commentators, because it was a high paced fight, a high pace that Ali laid and set from the very start, so there was a lot that went on in that ring on 30th October 1974, that only three men in particular, will quite remain privy to for all time, the three men being George Foreman, Muhammad Ali, and referee, Zack Clayton, the three men in the "boiler room," in immediate range, from round one to round eight, speaking of which, referee, Zack Clayton, handled that fight very well, and he was a strong and powerful guy too, shown by the ease with which he kept pushing Foreman and Ali apart.
Overall, Ali worked smart, not hard, Foreman the opposite.
Foreman too though landed a significant number of good punches, both those seen on screen, and those not seen on screen, the ones, pretty much, only seen by the spectators, including the fight commentators. Like I say, the manner in which David Frost and Jim Brown call out punches, by both Foreman and Ali, those not seen on screen that is, is a sign that they were something else.
Muhammad Ali no doubt took a risk, a big one at that, because just one hard solid punch from George Foreman, could have knocked out Muhammad Ali, the closest I note, being in the fifth round, where George Foreman throws a full power right hook at Muhammad Ali, that Muhammad Ali ducks just in time, which only also further demonstrates how on guard Muhammad Ali and his reflexes were. Muhammad Ali dictated the pace of that fight from start to finish, Muhammad Ali was the man of the moment.
Isn't it interesting that the George Foreman - Muhammad Ali fight of 1974, which turns 50 years old on 30th October 2024, is still being discussed in the way that it is after just under 50 years now? When events "refuse" to go away, they become legendary, and when individuals "refuse" to go away, they become legends.
Does that therefore make both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, legends. I think it does.
Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 19th January 2024.
Foreman didn't have the stamina the first time around. If his opponent survived about the first five rounds, he had nothing left.
vlad you have to stop talking over people!!
Why didn’t Vlad scare Teddy to help with those hiccups.
IDK why they haven't made a movie about Foreman's comeback?
Hey Vlad, dont interrupt your guests. It's rude and unprofessional. A good interviewer lets his guest TALK.
If young Foreman had the skill and mind of old Foreman Ali would not have won I don't believe, and Ali was truly great. I will say this that isn't talked about much the snap on Ali's punches were hurting from the beginning. When Ali threw in the first six rounds every one snapped Foreman and hurt him. It's always talked about the rope a dope but nobody talks about the way that snap on those punches were all hurting him.
Sorry Terry but if Ali is across the ring from you there is a good chance what happens next is no longer "your choice"
That's hard 😂
*ALI is the ELVIS of boxing* 🥊👑🥊
U got that from Ali lol
Elvis was a fraud who stole his persona from black musicians. Don’t disrespect Ali like that.
@@KD400_ that were really both friends..so?
@@FRANKIBABI__ I know but I'm saying u got that quote from him
@@KD400_ the 1993 chuck e cheese elvis presley
Now I remember why I stopped watching this ish…. Vlad wit da messy titles
Jimmy Young
Who is this guy
But the young George would have ko'd Holyfield and even these heavyweight bums of this specific weak era where nobody actually wants to fight each other...
Don't put all your eggs in one basket and don't burn yourself out
I would like to see what people think about prime Foreman vs prime Lennox Lewis . George was strong but Lennox is even biger heavyier and better boxer for sure . I would realy like to se coments
Man idk if exposed is the word id use
George Foreman has been trying to get to Zaire for 2 weeks. They kept delaying his flight until the day of the fight. He suffered from jet lag if you go back and watch the fight you will see that at the end of the fight he is asked about jet lag and he didn't even know what it was... Quit telling this damn lie
To explain this in the life of bitter teddy atlas
When foreman won the title no as the oldest ever at 45 over michael moorer
Who was Moore's trainer in his corner ?
Teddy Atlas
like Teddy but serves up a little too much haterade for my liking. the throat spasms are distracting as well.
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NNNNAAAAWWWW,.. GEORGE FOREMAN WAS NNNEEEVVVEEERRR EXPOSED!!! GEORGE FOREMAN SAID THAT HE UNDERESTIMATED MUHAMMAD ALI,.. & THAT'S WHY HE LOST!!!
IF HE WOULD HAVE WON,.. PEOPLE WOULD BE CALLING HIM, "THE GREATEST",.. POINT BLANK PERIODTTT!!!
Terrible coaching aswell..
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Sage advice. You are YOU, not your circumstances.
Prime Tyson would knock George out