In 23 years I have NEVER seen car brands do this.
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I worked at body and collision repair for almost 50 years, and in the 60s-70s the saying was if you go to a Chevy dealership on a quiet night you can actually hear the new Chevys rusting.
I have a friend who paints cars at a collision center. He's been repainting tons of
Vauxhall (GM in the UK) in the 50s &60 was just as bad - 'factory fitted rust' as we called it.
"What's that?"
*rust rust rust *
Ha when I was a kid in the 60s my parents bought a leftover 1968 Impala wagon in 69. We went on vacation to Texas that year and the thing blew every hose and the water pump as well. By 1974 it had stage 4 cancer. By 1977 the 327 made it's way into a split window corvette that belonged to my sisters friends brother. That engine is probably still in that thing somewhere.
😂 I remember that from when I was a kid...God it's been a long time...
thanks for having a great memory
The absolute insane part is that Yukon was a $80 to 100K vehicle.
No, it wasn't.
So what will happen to the Denali now if the whole frame is not replaced, will it go to The Crusher?
It's insane that someone bought that thing new. I'm sure they took a bath on it 🤑
Absolutely not. Even new those were 54-60k max.
Adjusted for inflation, perhaps. It would still sell for a good chunk of money in that condition in this market.
that 90K Car is rotted out before most owners would have paid it off. Thats... truly insane.
That is a good point!!!
Imagine spending $80k on a vehicle that supposed to be durable and getting rust before the warranty expires
Who said they were durable?😂
@Already100 SUV's were originally intended to be road/off road vehicles but now they're just used as oversized cars
a lot of this has to do with the epa requiring water based paints. remember, government knows best!
Imagine having it rust just after the warranty expired.
Noticing the last 10 years, the quality has gone down but the prices keep increasing. And automakers are wondering why people are keeping older cars longer? This is why.
Relative to wages cars are less expensive than ever. Quality keeps getting better. People don’t maintain vehicles anymore, that is the problem. People keep their cars longer is proof that quality is continuing to increase. If you maintain your vehicle it will last for decades.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I'd love to see your numbers that relative to wages, cars are less expensive than ever.
In 1969 the average/median car price was around $3,000 to $3500. The median family income was $9400
In 2022 the average car price was around $45k - $48k depending on sources. Median family income was around $75k to $80k.
If you put $3500 in an inflation calculator from 1969 to today, it'd be about $29k.
I also don't think people are keeping their cars longer. Covid may have thrown that off, but in general, people aren't keeping their cars as long as previous generations.
Maintenance is one thing. I agree with machining and tolerances, engines last a lot longer now, but car manufacturers often cheap out. For example look at the Hyundai and Kia GDI engines. Those were trash. The GM suvs of the mid 20teens with the 6 cylinder are trash. Modern day cars should last far longer than what they currently do, but they may do one small thing like use a plastic washer or something really minor that causes a lot of problems.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q quality was getting better before covid and this government's push to electric cars. Automakers are making cars with cheaper parts to offset the losses on building and selling electric cars
@@82mattlopez It’s still getting better. Electric cars are profitable now.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q electric cars not profitable now unless you are Tesla.
Cars today are being made cheaper and cheaper quality wise,while the prices sky rocket .INSANITY
Yep so true.
They used to call it "planned obsolescence". The car falls apart mechanically or structurally after 3 - 5 years, coincidentally, just as you paid off the note. Manufacturers can't afford to have cars last 10+ years. They need faster turnover.
My 2006 Silverado doesn't even have any issues. Yet I have friends with newer GM trucks that have so many problems. Seems like GM quality has taken a nose dive.
Unfortunately, automakers want to reduce the cost of making the cars, so find ways of making the automobile cheaper to save money. Ford has quality issues and GM's quality has gone downhill over the last decade. Ford has been using cheaper parts in their cars
ITS ALL ABOUT PROFIT!
Funniest look on the new car salesman face is when he popped open the hood of a dodge truck and I started spinning off loose bolts with my fingers.
Greetings from the UK, as a boy I can remember my Grandfather buying a brand new ford Cortina in 1980 .The day after he got the cortina it was treated with Ziebart. The car remained within the family for 15 years and had zero structural rust. A neighbour had bought a new cortina at the same time and didn't treat it and it needed structural welding after about 4 years.
Yes, Fords were the worst. My father bought a Cortina in 1970. The car had paint which fell off on delivery brand new. Cars in the UK have mostly been free of rust since the late 80s.
Watching this makes me feel at little better about spending $2500 for a new transmission in my 1979 K10. Not that the build quality was better back then but for the fact that I did not pay 70k for a new truck to have it rot out in 5 years.
With many hear of stories of spending at least $100K on a late 2022 or early 2023 model year pickup when if it already is rusting before it was delivered to a dealership when rust issues are outlined and repaired by the dealership's auto body shop revealed by a PDI.
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Teslas have been delivered with repaired cracked frames that were rusting.
Same here. I paid $2300 for my Chevy truck transmission to get completely rebuilt, and it was SO WORTH IT, despite the truck being almost 32 years old with 268,000 miles on it. It is paid for and I KNOW the truck will give years of service down the road.
This is the way to go. Rather replace a rocker panel on a 5k truck rather than replace stuff on an 80k investment/money pit
I forgot about those.
“Typical GM … A splash of brilliance, RIDDLED with cheapness.”
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Typical Toyota pickup: Rust rot so severe it cost Toyota a $3.6 billion dollar lawsuit for wrongfully denying replacement frames to owners with trucks that were just 5 years old and had engine mounts rotted off.
Could point to reliability but the 3rd gen Tacoma was CR's least reliable midsize truck for like 3 or 4 years because the 2GR-FKS is garbage and the 3rd gen Tundra has engines with catastrophic engine failures left and right. So common even popular YT channels are having blown engines and some guys have had their engine replaced more than once.
@@hochhaul frames supplied to Toyota by USA Dana of Ohio against who toyota filed a lawsuit. toyota has messed up a few times, but has generally treated customers quite well. For example, They recalled thousands of 2az-fe engines and rebuilt them with new piston ring sets for cars with oil burning problems a major job. Chevy quit building good 1/2 ton trucks after early 2000's. my sierra 03 z71 has been very good they were still making them good then, as were their full size suv's.
@@jwades77Frames supplied to Toyota like every other manufacturer, yet only Toyota had frames that rotted so severely that 5 year old Toyota pickups had engine mounts failing and frames breaking in half on lifts. Toyota lost a $3.6 billion lawsuit because they A) knew the frames they were being supplied had a long history of rust rot, B) regularly inspected the frames they were receiving and certainly knew that the frames were made exactly to the spec they gave Dana, and C) they were well aware the entire time they have made the Tacoma and Tundra that those frames had a severe rust issue. A rust rot issue that was a documented issue going all the way back to the 1st gen Tacoma when Toyota was nearly forced to by the government to issue a recall. I remember it vividly because I was going to buy a 1st gen but they were having a lot of rust issues and everyone was saying "Toyota knows it's an issue, don't worry, they are working on addressing it for the next generation that will be out next year." Cool, so I hold off a buy a 2nd gen. Guess what I eventually realize -- Toyota DID NOTHING to address rust rot. As I later learned while training to work on Panasonic battery machines, the Japanese don't engineer vehicles with any concern for rust because it's typical for them to buy new vehicles more frequently than in the US and the weight of the steel is taxed. So Japanese vehicles are engineered to use a little steel as required and there is zero concern for corrosion performance because it's a part of their culture to frequently buy new vehicles, so corrosion is never a concern.
@@jwades77lol frames that Toyota was sued for $3.6 billion over and ADMITTED they were well aware going back to the 90's had rust rot issues and they did nothing about it. You can actually find news articles and message board discussions between owners of 1st gen Tacomas and Tundras talking about the severe rust issues with the trucks, a potential recall, and Toyota scrambling to put out a TSB in hopes it would be enough to avoid a costly government mandated recall. Eventually 1st gen owners convinced themselves that Toyota was going to fix both trucks when the next gen came out. Toyota did nothing. Part of why they were sued was because they put out a "limited service campaign" for 2nd gen trucks due to frame rust rot and proceeded to make it difficult for owners to learn about the LSC and those that took their truck in for it were rarely approved for a replacement frame. The rust holes had to be huge before Toyota would approved a frame replacement. Most frames were instead covered in undercoating that merely hid the rot. 5 year old Tacomas had engine mounts rotted off and Toyota refused to replace the frame under the LSC. Toyota did no more for 2AZ-FE owners than GM did for owners with the 2.4 EcoTech with the same issue. You had to do an oil consumption test and when the test showed excessive oil consumption, your engine was repaired to address the issue. Interesting to note that Toyota changed their warranty after this to say that it's "normal" for their engines to burn 1 quart every 1200 miles. Your new Toyota might drink 4 or 5 quarts between oil changes and Toyota will brush you off with "that's normal". Not even Ford or GM have a standard that low -- 1 quart every 2000 miles. Toyota is a bad company these days. Ask any of us 3rd gen Tacoma owners how well Toyota treated us. Howling differentials, tons of 2GR-FKS engines failing, transmission issues, ABS module failures, HPFP failures, etc. Same with guys that had a 3rd gen Tundra with an engine failure. Getting the runaround, blamed it on "abuse" or mods, dragging out engine replacements, tons of defects right off the dealer lots, etc.
@@jwades77It's funny that you say that the last good GM (Chevy doesn't build anything, it's a brand and a logo, not a manufacturer. chevy as an actual manufacturer hasn't existed since like the 60's) was in the 2000's. Back then I remember guys saying that the early 2000's trucks were bad and that the last good trucks they made were in the 80's. The early 2000's GM trucks were terrible aside from one thing: the engine. Weak junk 4-speed's that needed the "corvette servo" in order to survive, weak 10-bolt junk rear axles, weak flimsy rusty open-c frames, the absolute worst brake components of any brand in that era, cab corners that rot off almost as fast as a Toyota's engine mounts, terrible electrical that would lose a ground just by looking at it wrong, etc. I work with nearly a dozen guys that own 2014 or newer GM trucks. Several have 200k miles or more at this point. Those trucks have a far stronger rear axle that was taken from the 3/4 ton gas trucks, the 6 speed is far better than the weak ancient 4-speed used in the half-tons, the frame is far stronger, the cab corners don't seem to be rotting off like the early 2000's trucks, and surprisingly, none of them have had a lifter issue even though everyone tells me those lifters fail constantly. I would have thought with a dozen or so trucks, a few of them would have dropped lifters by 200k miles. That's what the internet swears up and down is the norm. I guess changing the oil every 3-4000 miles is the difference.
I never liked the early 2000's GM trucks aside from the fact that those engines were pretty good. I'd take a used, well-maintained 2014 GM truck over a 2003 Chevy any day. just my opinion
The biggest takeaway I got out of this video is this: Auctions are more lenient do dealers for returns than dealers are on returns from an individual. Thanks Mike!
Glad to see someone’s exposing the junk they build today! We have been mass producing vehicles for over 100 years and yet the engineers today look past the simplest design flaws. You think they would have it figured out by now! I’m starting to think the reason new vehicles are so expensive is because they have to factor in all the warranty work that will need done.
Is not the engineers dictating the quality of the vehicle, is the bean counters. The customers don't matter, is the shareholders the ones they care about.
I owned a used car lot in Michigan for over 24 years, I can guarantee that Yukon spent time in an area where they put salt on the road in the winter, and that person parked that vehicle in a heated garage. The salt on a car in the winter does little damage until its heated up, I've seen 2/3 year old vehicles full of rust, because they were parked in a heated garage. The same effect happens in the winter when you park on asphalt, the asphalt is heated by the sun and warms up the underside of the vehicle. If you live in an area that uses salt on the road, get the underbody wash often, and park your vehicle outside, otherwise trade it in every 2 years, because its going to rust. Another note, vehicles brought in from Canada, and sold at dealer auctions by a broker, are the worst for rust.
I live in MI and cars and trucks rot out badly here. That Denali spent time in an area that has salt or other snow melting chemicals on the road. This is why I fluid film my truck 2x a year and put Por 15 on the frame.
My 2006 Silverado has less rust than this Denali. It's spent 7 years in Michigan weather now.
There are rubber plugs on that denali and if you wash them out and spray with fluid film, it will help keep the rust away. Once it starts you don't have many options besides cutting it all out and starting over.
I had my rear bed side replaced after I noticed a few bubbles. I have been more diligent with the fluid film, and even after 2 years since the repair no rust yet back in that spot.
@@cub1009 Spot on , you have to maintain your vehicle if it's exposed to salt in the winter.
But why isn’t the frame that bad? I guess salt could get trapped in the rocker but with it that bad I would think the frame and whole underside of the truck would be worse.
@@mikelliteras397 actually living in southwestern Ontario off of Lake Huron, the rockers and doors go first, the frame is a much heavier piece of steel and has air at it to dry it off, once dry, no rust advancement. Definitely recommend an oil undercoating and lots of washing.
@@mikelliteras397 Frames usually rust if an area is boxed and sand and dirt collect and keep it wet. Generally the open areas will get some surface rust.
I'm 53 and lived in Iowa all my life. When the I-DOT started using salt brine instead of rock salt on the roads the rust problem went through the Stratosphere. I know guys that have been body men for 50 years and the last 25+ have seen shock mounts, spring shackels, shock absorbers, strut mounts and struts, brake lines and even frames rust to cardboard. Rust on cars has always been bad in the Midwest (73-79 GM pickup boxes melted away) but the last 30 years it has been abysmal. There needs to be a ban on the salt brine spray.
They should just spray hydrochloric acid on the roads, it's great for ice...
the us is a consumer society, salt brine is great for car sales
The dealers used to teach the customers how to rinse out body cavities and apply cavity wax and rubber undercoating... I live in evansdale Iowa and I never have to worry about, at least undercarriage rust because everything leaks oil.
That is one thing I don’t miss about Iowa.
I live in North Carolina and the DOT started using salt brine a few years ago, they put it down at night mostly before the frozen stuff arrives, don't get caught behind the truck putting it down. It helps some as we usually get freezing rain instead of snow, nasty stuff, one wreck after the other. Use of the brine has caused some issues with corrosion and rusting that we didn't use to have.
This reminds me of the 1970's when GM started using recycled metal. We literally had new cars rusting in the showrooms. Especially bubbling around the rear windows.
Had a brand new GM 1 ton truck in 79 drove it in SASK (no salt on roads at that time) BOTH front fenders rotted off in 2 years. True story.
@@allangurr Oh I believe it, I witnessed cars literally rusting in the showroom. I was selling cars In Winnipeg in the mid seventies.
Same thing is happening with certain Dacia models in Europe. Standard feature is rust from the factory. Dacia Duster is an awful car in almost every way and I have no idea why that thing is so popular.
@@marten6578 There are hundreds of Dacia Duster cars in my town. Never seen any rust on them.
Cars sold in EU are mostly rust free for first 15 years, later it does not matter.
@@marten6578It's the cheapest proper car you can buy, that's why. But these are absolutely everywhere in the countryside in France, and I've never seen them rusty. Though I've never touched one so maybe the rust is hidden.
This is one of the highest value videos I’ve watched especially on your channel. With all the cars you see these type of pattern failures you observe are important to educate your viewers on. I work in automotive quality so I see a lot with our core brands. I try to keep up on other brands build quality issues but I don’t see the diverse stock you see. Great job on this video hope to see even more content like this in the future!
It was excellent. Im going to be in the market soon and I am rethinking what I am going to buy. Probably will be looking at 2018-19. And save some $$
I like that you tell it like it is. Sincere and honest. All of your hard work doesn't go unnoticed.
yeah they do not make em like they used to and he shows it well in this video
Nothing rusts like a Chevy truck.
Actually, that would be Dodge Ram. Chrysler and Dodge vehicles fall and rust apart more than any of the American brands.
I have a 2015 f150 and a 2020 ram 1500. I don’t have any rust issues since having them, nerd. Name should be Chevyfanboy
@Dave G I've already seen 4th gen Rams (both early and later 4th gens) have rust on them. They are built very poorly, especially when you compare them to Toyota and Ford. The Ram will eventually fall apart one day.
They sell like crazy down here in Texas, we never really think about rust
@Armando Diaz Yet again, it's also Texas, you don't have to worry about road salt and snow like we have to up north.
Back in the 1972 while car shopping I recall opening the door of a new Chevy Vega and seeing rust on the door hinges. The one next to it had the same rust on the hinges and on that one it was also visible running down the door jamb. They actually were rusting on the showroom floor - a new high in lows. Several years later I bought a new Chevy Impala and kept it for ten years. I eventiually sold it to my BIL and it didn't have the slightest bit of rust on it. But it ate transmissions for breakfast. Proof that if GM fixes one problem, the cost will be paid for in another part of the car.
4t60 is a horrible transmission lol
@@samholdsworth420 A transmission that was too weak for the Chevette so GM said "Let's try it in full sized cars - what could possibly go wrong?"
@@tamer1773 the transmission (4l60e) is the Achilles heel in older c1500 and Silverados. A great truck regardless
I've heard of about just how bad GM was on the Vega and it's clones!
Same time Ford had cars staying before they got to the dealers too!
My 23 years old Saab with 270,000 km doesn't have half of the issues these American cars have after after 4 or 5 years.
We own4 cars in our family and none of them is younger than 10 years. No because we can not afford it but because its a decision. One of my neighbours is driving a new Tesla and the car now failed the first road worthy test (TUEV) after 3 years. It is insane. He will have to spend now more money on the repair of his new car than mine did cost 5 years ago when I bought it.
My Silverado rusted in less then 5 years. Pretty sad with the amount of money they we are having to pay for these vehicles.
gm pos
@@mattnorman5241 my expedition the hood and lift gate are aluminum and both are highly corroded and ford will not cover it either and it started after 3 years.
Then trade every 3 years. Keep vehicles new don’t try to keep these newer vehicles for the long haul. It won’t work. Unfortunately. My 22 Sierra 3500 will be gone at 50-60k miles. Get a new one and keep going. It’s the best way to go nowadays.
I have a 1998 Nissan Sentra with a tried and true fun to drive manual transmission and the car has no rust....the secret? I live in Georgia and we don't get snow here.
Even though I love American cars/Truck style, I only buy Toyota and Honda, just don't want trouble, with German cars just too much money to maintain and repair after 90,000 miles,
My dad, every couple years would put transmission fluid in the crease on the bottom of the doors. I thought he was crazy until I realized his cars never rusted even though we have horrible winters with lots of salt on the road. Transmission fluid has anti corrosion properties.
Even used transmission fluid works great .I tell people save it and put it in a spray bottle and spot spray the under side and any body panel you can get access to the back .
Most any oil has anti-corrosion properties, just by its nature, transmission fluid isn't any more special
Interesting
@@MrTheHillfolk True, but transmission fluid, being thinner, is easier to apply, especially with a spray bottle.
@@maxsdad538 it's like a 10 or 15 weight .any oil will creep.
Ever dip a connecting rod in 2" of oil after it's been thru a hot tank?
Come back the next day and the rod is wet on top.
In Dec 1975 I bought a new 1976 Trans Am in Pennsylvania. At 27 months, one of the trunk-lid hinge brackets rusted completely through and broke, allowing rain & snow melt to get into my tool box and ruin most of my tools. The Pontiac dealer (from whom I had previously purchased 3 new vehicles & referred other buyers) told me to "go fly a kite" because the warranty was 24k mi or 24 months, whichever came first. I knew it was a manufacturing defect because the hinge brackets are INSIDE the trunk. At about 3 years old, the manual trans had to be rebuilt due to noisy bearings. Also, the starter began to draw huge amounts of current, causing electrolyte to spew out of the battery vents. It was a nice, fun car by 1970's standards. I sold the car in Dec 1979, with rust along the bottom of the doors, due to the widespread use of rock salt on the roads. I have not purchased any more GM products. Sounds like they're back to their old lack of quality control.
They've totally abandoned concern for consumers. No surprise they're not the #1 manufacturer/seller anymore.
I've heard similar stories from literally every car brand. My dad's Citroen Dyane (I'm french) started rusting out after a couple years from new.
Cars were all kind of junk until the 00s, but these have other problems due to complexity...
You missed out. By the mid 80s GM quality control had been vastly improved. By the 90s and early 2000s, GM was producing some decent and very reliable cars. Everything has gone downhill since then due to insane fuel economy regulations. But it was great for a while.
@@gregorymalchuk272Then came Mary Berra...
@@Raptor3388 "literally every car brand" Maybe it's cheap metal from China? That's strictly a guess.
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GM should merge with Boeing.
Remember the Vega? I owned one that started to rust the moment I drove it off the lot.
Yes I remember the old 1973 rust bucket very well. Ran out of oil on the way to Myrtle Beach.
I had a mustard-colored '72 Vega wagon, I miss that car. You could sleep in it.
TRUE! I bought a new 72 Vega GT. Engine burning oil and wheel wells rusting in the first year!
Stop every 150 miles and get oil, and check the gas.
@@josephgaviota Top the oil, check the gas, love it! That's about the time I got my catholic girlfriend pregnant and met her 6 foot five father. Those were the days my friend.
I just recently sold my 1989 Pontiac Bonneville, which I owned in 2015. Spent most of its time parkws on the street in Manhattan, exposed to all the salt in the winter. The car had very little rust despite its age and conditions in which it was parked. They really knew how to build them in the late 80s.
I've always love late 80s bonnevile. I had good childhood memory w/ that car
B body car. I had MANY. I sold a 1992 Buick Roadmaster (with a 350 sbc) 2 years ago. It was mint when I bought it. In 2019.
Great cars:
Pontiac Bonneville/Parisienne, Olds 88, Cadillac Brougham/Fleetwood, Chev Caprice, Buick Roadmaster, etc.
My mom works at a chevy dealer. And I remember in 2016 looking at the frame of a brand new silverado in the show room and seeing surface rust poking through the paint on the frame. Gm really cut corners on rust protection and prevention on the trucks and suvs from 08 to 19
ford same thing
My 8 year old ram 2500 doesn’t have any rust. Not even surface rust. I got lucky
Painted frame? Do tell.
This reminds me of the Plymouth Volare and Dodge Aspens from 1976 through 1979, where after 2 years, the front fenders were completely rusted through. Chrysler was forced to recall them and replace the fenders on those vehicles.
Its an outer rocker on a full frame vehicle. No need to replace the entire door surround. Of coarse everyone is gonna say the entire surround needs replaced, thats because they want to hose you down for more money. They give you a worst case scenario and price it to that, then section the rocker. You need a new body guy, one not taking you to the cleaners.
Rust fixed properly does not come back. Most are not willing to fix it properly though.
+100 When I heard him say the whole door frame needed replacing my first thought was "eh... no", my second was his bodywork guy must be worth a fortune.
That vehical would be a structural write off in Australia. When the oocupant crash cell area is badly rusted or bent your not allowed to do Band-Aid coverup repairs.
If it's structural damage, as outlined by the video, and GM's replacement procedures dictate that you have to replace the entire side of the car, then that's what you have to do. If you do an improper repair and that vehicle is crashed, and you will go to court and you will have the pants sued off of you. Many of my colleagues have been called as expert witnesses in cases like this, and it never ends well. Even then, why would you compromise the safety of your customers to save a few bucks? Thought processes like that are why mechanics and bodymen are looked down on as liars and cheats.
Its not a bandaid coverup repair if you replace the rocker panel. No different than replacing a quarter panel.
IF it’s structural damage. Thats assuming the guy in the video knows what he is talking about, and more to my point, assuming the body guy that told him it’s structural damage knows what he is talking about. The vehicle would be much much more compromised replacing the entire surround. No shop does this. I personally have 2 trucks, state inspected, with rockers replaced. They sell door surrounds and they sell rocker panels for this yukon. There is no damage to the door surround just the rocker. No insurance company will replace a full door surround for a damaged rocker.
I've told my friends do not buy pandemic Era built vehicles. I saw this coming.
Absolutely!
2016 Yukon, so no, has nothing to do with the pandemic.
Mike dude. Did you legit call that Nissan a Rowgoo? 😂
Raw Goo more like it. CB
That black Yukon had to have been a flood car more than likely from the deep South and in Salt water
My 99 Tacoma body looks as good as it did the day I bought ii in 1999. Wonderful vehicle!
I really think the mid 2000's were really the high point in reliability for the mainstream manufacturers that many middle aged people will see in their life time. With the exception of Nissan. Drivetrains were dialed, the vast majority relying on old-school more or less perfected (by that point) tech and without all the infotainment and safety systems there was less to go wrong.
What we are seeing now (as I'm sure you know) are all these new drivetrains designed around meeting EPA standards rather than user experience and no question some probably hit the market without the bugs worked out. Toyota is really in an interesting position as they almost exclusively attract no nonsense buyers who have super high expectations of reliability above anything else. We shall see.
If you look at the average MPG per vehicles sold in NA for a fiscal year you'll find the avg MPG has stayed the same if not declined over the last 20 years. MPG directly relating to EPA standards, the end quality has just gotten worse and harder to maintain. Example 2005 Silverado 17 combined MPG, 2020 Silverado 18 Combined MPG, guess which is easier to take care of. Modern Automotive industry is sadly not your pal anymore.
@@volvoproblems3567 seriosuly, I was getting 32mpg highway in my 98 impreza outback wagon. Small engine, small light car, not hard to figure out. All todays vehicles are a full class size larger than the same designated class 20 years ago and they are bogged down with so much garbage all the little mpg tricks in the world can't save them at the cost of increasing complexity and difficulty servicing.
There was a methodology change to EPA numbers around 2008 and another one a few years later. Manufacturers had been overstating their numbers by 10-20% before that.
@s0nnyburnett It doesn't help that undersized engines with a Turbo slapped on seem to be the direction many manufactures are taking with their trucks. Sure, they may pass with the EPA testing but that isn't how they end up being driven in the real world. Power may be adequate with a heavy foot but that's not saving gas. It's just ridiculous.
Exactly. We were getting rust proofing under control and learning it pretty good back then, now they just leave pinch welds bare with nothing.
Back in 2016 we got a new Ford work truck, within 8 months I looked under and all the pinch welds had rust staining the paint and it wasn't even winter time yet.
You can tell that it was rusty water staining the paint, but where was that rusty water coming from? If you said inside of the rocker panels you win
I like it that you say every manufacturer has problems. You don’t sugar coat your own brand.
Toyota is one of the most overrated at the moment.
I had a 94 Chevy Astro van back in the day, made with two sided galvanized steel and she really lasted. Chicago Metro weather is really tuff on cars and trucks.
I had a 1973 Plymouth satellite that I bought in 1976 with 35,000 miles. In about 2 weeks, the transmission (Torqueflight 904) was slipping on the 1-2 shift, and within one year I had gaping rust holes in the doglegs behind the rear wheels. Fast forward another year and the freeze plugs on the rear of the engine had rusted through from debris in the cooling system left behind by the factory. Lesson learned!
This is why if you do a yearly Lanolin based undercoating you MUST put that stuff inside your rocker panels. On that GM body style its extremely easy to do. Remember these panels rust inside out, not outside in
Agree with everything you said….except the extremely easy to do part. Maybe if I had a lift in my garage.
@@davehaggerty3405
Get ramps or jacks
@@davehaggerty3405 Get the 3M "Cavity wax" kit. It comes with a wand and the caps you use to close up the holes you drill. That kit, even if you buy two will protect the insides of your rockers and inside your wheel wells for years.
General Motors has some of the worst rust protection of any automotive manufacturer.
Subaru has excellent rust protection and has a great rust warranty that they stand behind.
Not just GM, they all have corrosion issues.
@@MS3DALE GM is the worst, especially with pick-ups... Still coating truck frames with wax
The Wax frame coating on Silverado,
@@xephael3485 Never had an issue with the wax frame coating on any of the trucks I've had over the years, even driving them in snow/salt during the wintertime, all in how its taken care of I guess. And you should see some of the Ford's and Dodge's that come into our body shop with rusted out bedsides and rockers.
Yes, you can tell that they are saving money, but in the wrong place. In Germany, wax is sprayed into the cavities in the inner side of the fender, rear side panels and underbody to seal them. I don't see that in the USA, even with repairs, the work is good and then the whole thing is put back together, but the cavity sealing is useless! Wax is not expensive and the customer will be grateful if they don't have to come back with the repairs after 6 months!
Good thing we have an honest used car dealer, like yourself, to prepare the cars to our expectations.
😅🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I have only met two HONEST car dealers (new or used) in my 67 years on the planet!
Back in the 80s Toyotas were terrible rust buckets and I don’t mean just frames. My 1986 Toyota rusted through in 5 years and by 10 years the fenders were actually flapping in the wind.
Really crazy how bad things are in the car industry these days. I'm fortunate enough to have a truck that's in very good shape considering it's now 15 years old, and I'm planning to keep it for many more years since it's had very little issues with transmission or rust.
I love the Nissan Rogoo.
Raw Goo. CB
Spaghetti reghetti
Née sun Ragu… it’s Italian
I have a 2000 GMC Sierra that has been garage parked all of its life. After watching this video I got a flashlight and started crawling around looking for rust. In great shape, guess the year 2000 was a good year for GMC. What worries me is my Daughter just bought a new Nissan Rogue. I hate to break the news to her that she needs to flush that CVT every 30,000 miles and quit driving that little super charged light weight like a race car.
I live in New Mexico and down here in the desert you can still find Model Ts where the rust is just surface and the metal is still solid. It is the road salting and constant humidity back there that kills the bodies and frames. You can find 25 year old cars here with mo rust or much paint left on them.
It’s comforting to know that my 2017 F150’s body will never have the rust issue and by Fluid Filming the chassis every year, I hope to stave off rust under there also.
It's still possible to have corrosion issues on an F150 body; the bolts are steel and galvanic corrosion can happen between dissimilar metals, such as if winter road salt bridges the gap between the aluminum and steel. Also, aluminum does corrode in it's own way, though slower than steel. Ever see alloy wheels with grey stains?
@@questioner1596 true dat! Already got to deal with steel rivets in the tailgate.
I live in Northern Michigan and see a lot of late model trucks, mostly GM and Ram, rusting in those exact spots - rear wheel arches and rockers. You have to rust proof and undercoat cars in these heavy road salt areas and wash frequently them in the winter including washing the under carriage. I had a couple Wranglers that I treated with WaxOyl on the underside and cavities. Worked great.
the risk is they won't outlast the payment plan..
I see late model GM, Ford and Rams pickups here in Massachusetts that were rusting through in those same areas that you noted. Some worse than others.
@@johnm.5848 Neighbor has a newer Ram (upstate NY), it is starting to look 25 years old with the rust! But Ford Alumabody pickups rust too :(. I have a 2011 F150 yeah, those rust! But not as bad as the much newer RAM!
GM’s are the worst- Ram and Ford seem to swap third and fourth place behind Toyota
@@cantbsdave I take off my tail light and shoot fluid film in the bed sides. Pretty much guaranteed to get some rust there. Salt goes in and never washes out. Moisture hangs around because it is kinda enclosed. In the spring I have pressure washer wands that curve and clean it out. There are places like that on cars too.
Bought a new Pontiac TransAm in 1998 with an LS1 engine burning a quart of oil every 500 miles. Noticed it immediately after owning the car one week. The regional GM Rep wanted me to give him $3000 to replace the car so I ended up getting a new car via a Lemon Law arbitration hearing. GM Corporate blew me off and in the hearing the GM Rep said a quart of oil in 500 miles was normal. The panel looked at him like he had three heads. I've since purchased seven new vehicle but none were or ever will be GM Junk.
I bought a new 72 Vega in 1972. It was the car of the year that year. Had rust spots within 6 months. Was a complete rust bucket within a year.
So what you complain ? They sold you car of the year, yep last 1 year. Good luck and maybe 2...
I had a 73 gt
bought it new
was made out of compressed rust with paint holding it all together.
I ordered a 2023 F350 Lariat Tremor with the 6.7 high output diesel. And I want to thank you because I was going back and forth on buying the Ford extended warranty (10 years/175,000 miles)….you just convinced me to get it. 😊
Wait a minute. If rust always comes back then how is the first rust fixed Yukon you sold going to be just fine? I'm confused.
Right, I caught that as well.
Imagine the feeling of those of us who bought these things new and now have the joy of watching them rust away. Back to the days of the Plymouth Volary. Only this time the cost is way higher.
Cab corners and rocker panels if replaced properly with replacement panels are not a structural issue , there is no reason you would have to repair it like you suggested.
Rust is always an issue in the rust belt and preventing it by using proper rust proofing oils such as fluid film that don't hurt the environment are key.
They call for a repair like that because GM doesn’t sell specific rocker sections, layover, pieces or anything like that. You have to buy the entire side from General Motors and they won’t park them out.
@@matthewcaughey8898 Aftermarket or fabricate.
No doubt. If a vehicle has a full perimeter frame, how could those rusty areas cause a structural issue? I could see if it was a FWD Impala unibody with rust in these areas.
@@wrotenwasp The only time I would consider it an issue is when the support braces are rusted out and the underside was really bad.
agree.........body panels not an issue on full frame vehicles!
I'm a rust repair shop, rocker panels are separate from the rest if the vehicle, there are spot welds to drill out, then have to do some cutting,replace them with oem rockers and cab corners,and it's good as new.... as long as the rust is just down there.
Depends on the vehicle. I worked at Mitsubishi plant that used to be in Illinois. The whole sidebody was one stamping. Most are getting to be that way.
Just more reasons to keep my 2012 Ford Focus Hatchback, with MANUAL transmission. 163K and still runs like new. It's a fun car to drive.
Still driving my 2009 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor I purchased in 2017 w/62, today 2024 has 150k, I want an R/T Challenger but still pushing the Vic until I can’t anymore 👍
Yes there has been a seat foam shortage, trying to find upholstery foam the good type has been most difficult in the past year. Substituting with what is on hand.
Keeping my 90s and 00s japanese cars forever. Thanks 😊
Despite Toyota’s door latches kept coming apart in that era, they can still run freakin’ forever.
Great informative video!
Living in the suburban Chicago IL area, I bought a 2010 Ford Escape new, V6, Automatic w/towing, w/leather seating, new in Aug. 2009. I weigh over 200 lbs. The driver's auto seating is still good, with no tears, no bad spots and I do a lot of short-distance driving. The other seating areas are like new. 92K miles today, with only a new water pump needed so far. I always use Pennzoil full synthetic, Platinum grade. I had the transmission oil changed before 60K. It runs like a top as the saying goes. Yes, there's some surface rust on the back liftgate which I will have replaced by swapping a used liftgate I bought out of Dallas TX which is in no-rust condition. My auto body shop said to use ATF in the interior of that critical rust area to help protect from rust on the replacement. One thing I try to always do is wash off the wheel wells inside the ledge above the tire on each wheel well. That area catches the winter road salt which is responsible for the rusting. So, far the vehicle is still good in the wheel wells. Why would I get rid of that ride? No, I won't. What's been going on with auto manufacturing is terrible but I think the government has a lot to do with that.
Try "PB Blaster Surface Shield" or Fluid Film.
Around here all full size GM trucks have rocker area rust. Back in 2001 I bought a new GMC pickup, the rockers were completely gone on the bottoms by 2005. It never once saw salt water and was kept in a garage about 80% of the time.
A buddy bought a 2010 new, his did the exact same thing, 15k on the clock and garage kept, it needed new rockers by 2004.
Its actually rare to see a GM truck here without rust in the lower rockers like the one in the video here.
You say it never saw salt water; do they not salt the roads to melt ice in your area, or salt gravel for dust control?
Also, if you live in the snow belt, salt brine is often used, along with actual salt/deicing stuff and some areas of the NE use it year round for dust control in the summer months as they have a lot of unpaved roads.
At least on commenter has said, if you park you vehicle in a heated garage, the heat can acsaserbate things greatly and it's common for vehicles to barely last 10 years in those environments.
How does a 2010 need rockers by 2004?
@@BadDriversOfMassthink he ment 2014
My favorite part is when people buy these for status, spend 50k+ only for them to rust away in 3 to 5 yrs. I noticed a lot of ram pickups rockers are already gone. My 13 year old tacoma is finally starting to lose a cab corner. Been in NY for most of the time.
I saw an article on the reason for the rust. The issue is where they are assembled. The plant is old and leaks like a sieve. As the components are running down the line they get wet. There is actually a story that frame rails were filled with rain water then sealed closed. This caused the car to rust from the inside out…
Crazy. My 17 year old FX4 doesn't have any rust like that. Not even underneath.
I had a 02 Subaru outback with 337,000 miles and it had no rust and only one rip on the inside door handle. That car was CLEAN
Wow! Southern Car?? CB
@@EmmyPierz-ek7hi Washington so no but I believe it was garage kept
Cars are made of steel! Your car also has rust somewhere. Mostly on the axles. But it may be that you don't see anything on the surface and you will be happy for 20 years. Note: If you drive through salt and rain, your car will rust!
14 and newer GM trucks not only have transmission and engine issues, but severe underbody rust issues too. Have also seen 14 and newer Jeep Cherokees have rust too
This. ^
I'm up under my gmc savanna every spring spraying motor oil on everything, minus the exhaust and can barely keep the rust in check. Last GM anything I'll own
Thanks for the heads up
I've been working at a GM dealership as a tech for quite awhile, I have seen new silverados not even a year old come in with rust issues aswell, same with Yukons and Suburbans. I feel like its getting more and more common. Plus I live way up north so rust is an issue. But on newer style vehicles is crazy, my 22 year old vehicle doesnt even have any rust and newish vehicles are rusting out faster then older models.
get ready for frame replacements like how toyota is doing
Old is gold, older domestic vehicles are better made, to better quality standards, and with better longer lasting materials, compared to the much newer vehicles.
If many wonder if automakers are building vehicles to last as long as the warranty period when if one is a GM technician at a dealership also has a role in the auto body shop when if they see practically brand new Silverado's/Sierra's along with Tahoe's/Yukon's, suburban's and finally expresses/Savanna's already rusting before they were delivered to dealerships. If many share a story about 2024 model year vehicles already rusting after leaving the assembly plant.
Never do a trans flush !!! Always replace filter and fluid never flush!!!!
That's right, Tommy!...errr, Aaron! (sorry). A power flush can force debris INTO all kinds of places VERY BAD for a transmission, especially the newer designs! So remember..."Drain the trans fluid, NOT your bank account!" And knowing is half the battle! GO JOE!!
My 02 Ford F-150 Supercrew has rusted rocker panels and lower doorskins. Of course it's 21 years old and has 317,000 miles on. mostly Michigan roads.
What I find astonishing is that they buy cheap poor Indian steel and then they are shocked the metal corrodes so easily...
Well Nippon bought US Steel so maybe there's change around the corner... maybe...
My last 2 GM’s I pulled the plugs on the panels, and with a long tube oiled the inner rockers and lower doors.
Thankfully in 2016 they stopped stopped filling the inner cab corners with the foam which just soaks water and makes them all rust form the inside.
which models are you talking about. The 2014 half tons didn't have foam filled cab corners. You talking midsize trucks or something? The only thing GM can say is that their truck don't rust rot anywhere near as bad as a Toyota truck. Toyota fans would have been able to come back with some claim about reliability but Toyota truck reliability has been in the dumps for years.
I'm from Minnesota, you'd think with the salt applied to roads 6 months a year (winter) we lived near salt water. Good luck finding a car over 5 years old without hints of rust. I do know that around 1990, Audi did something to their metal we made it much less rust prone. Had a 96 A6 (10 years 350k) with only surface rust in all the right places (doors, rocker panels, wheel wells)
they dipped their cars before assembly, the major structure/ cabin.
Good Point, I have a 17' Ford Fusion with at 100,000 miles and no rust, not even a hint. I'm in Twin Cities area, MN. My son has a 2000 A4 Avant that has well over 200,000 miles and still has little rust, a spot on the rear hatch and the rockers right behind the wheels. I believe it's the pickups and SUV's that rust like crazy.
@@Gypsy2057 A4 would have the 1.8T or 2.8, keep up with timing belt water pump every 100k and regular oil changes. Pickups and SUV's - used more in winter?
not washed as often
II bought a 1997 Pontiac mini van. After less than 5 years both rocker panels were rusting away. At the same time, the top corner on the passenger side of the wind shield, was already rusting away. This was the second GM auto I had. That rusted away in the same spot. I also had to replace the transmission. In the mini van.
In the late 1990s, I worked in a garage. I saw Toyota Hiluxes there, 5 years old, with rotten doors and rotten windows frames,in the back windows.
In 1972, my father bought a new Volvo 145. In 1979, five years later, the windshield almost fell off, due to huge rust holes in the lower corners of the windshield
Because of all the above and more, I am staying with my fourth generation Subaru Legacy wagon, which I bought in March 2004, exactly 20 years ago today, for the next 20 years. Original engine and original transmission, never opened and not even a single spot of rust!
This Subaru receives the best care, at a Subaru garage, only with original parts and on time. Whatever the cost.
My pride and joy. And I love the way she looks, every day.
I wonder if the Denali was flooded with sea water at some time. It looks like the major rust is where road salt would not get to. It seems to me that many people have brought up a good point. Cars made during the covid lockdown suffer quality issues. Transmissions also have gotten worse over the years. It doesn't make much sense to me to make an engine that can last for 500,000 miles if the transmission only lasts 140,000 miles. Why would they bother?
Supposedly to obtain better MPG. A lot of plastic is being used where metal was to save weight.
I was talking to a customer that owns a transmission shop, he says newer GM transmissions are failing at a shocking rate.
GM doesn't want you to buy a new frame, GM wants you to buy a whole new Denali.
but they want $$60k for thier junk!
They know that when you are upside down at 40 months of your 72 month loan,you will buy a new trans no matter what.
The new 2500hd chevys are rusting BADLY!
Great Info.
General Motors are using thinner and cheaper metal then in the past, and most of there cars and trucks are rusting out in 5 to 6 years.
gm is trash
Mike you are correct. I have two 2017 Lincoln Continental Livery vehicles and both are rusting on the rear trunk lid left side. Ford says it is not big enough to warranty. I saw this on the hood of the 2015 Mustang as well. I was told these parts are coming from Mexico and are not properly treated.
Odd, considering that Ford has been getting parts made in Mexico for the past 30+ years.
@@cward1954 just maybe Mexico is doing sub par work.
This is happening on Fords Aluminum panels. Moisture gets between the paint and the panel, then the aluminum oxidizes and the paint bubbles. Happening on the aluminum tailgate of my Expedition.
Just excuses from the manufacturer 🏖️
Boy, I would not be happy if I were to you either. I'm sorry to hear that.
My grandson got a job working in the parts department of our local Chevy dealership. For the first three months of his employment, I rode him to and from work until he was able to purchase a new vehicle from them. Each day I would arrive early to ride him home. In those three months I was amazed at the number of Silverado's that came in on a rollback. I'm not talking about older trucks, no these were at most a year old truck. They would allow the truck to roll off and many times push it into a space. The rollback would leave and shortly after an employee would come out and place a tag with a number for the scheduled repair on the rear view mirror.
I've replaced rocker panels on newer dodges, the aftermarket replacements are twice as thick as the original ones that are paper thin.
My 2006 Dodge Caravan SXT shorty
Only 64,000 miles, both outer rocker
panels completely rusted out ( gone )
Front hood edge rust bubbling, front
& sliding doors, lower surface rust on
outside& seam rust inside. Shame!
Very nice looking white van purchased
NEW. Northern climates with salt/
Calcium Chloride road snow/ ice melt
certainly takes a major toll. CB
Mike what we are seeing in today's world is cutting back on quality but still making it look great at a premium price and I remember the Ford Granada now that car rusted out really fast.
The 1970's 2.0 (Pinto, Vega, Gremlin).
The 1976 Plymouth Volare my parents owned went from a creampuff to complete rust bucket in 2 years. Many cars from the 70's had major rust issues.
All 70's cars did
That era of vehicles was The Rise of the Rustproofers.
@@markh.6687 A.K.A. rust buckets.
very good job it need to be told thanks
My 25 yr old jeep is still rust free down here in NC where it dont snow
Years ago I bought a 2000 Buick Century from a elderly couple that lived in my town ,it had 40k miles and looked like a new car, a few seasons of winter driving the lower rocker panels began to rust badly, the entire undercarriage still looked like new and so did the bottoms of the doors and lips of the fender wells that typically rust out ,it was parked in a garage but not a heated one, I saw other Buick century or lesabre of that era and very few of them are not rusted in that area, another problem I had was the brake lines corroded badly and developed leaking, I have owned all kinds of car brands over the years and never had brake lines rust as badly as that Buicks, the only other car brand that I had rusting issues was Mitsubitsi vehicles , I think GM and Mitsubitsi must use poor quality steel
Brake lines were very common on Fords. But in 98 they started coating many of them. Even so it can wear thru the coating and get a pinhole :(
Mitsubishi builds GMs. A friend of mine from NZ was visiting the US and he wanted a model of Mitsubishi and they gave him a Buick. It was the same car rebadged.
Yeah I have a 2006 Chevy Suburban and it started to rust around 2014-2016 and now it has HORRIBLE body rot. Luckily I don't think the frame is rusted to the point of it being dangerous though. Hopefully we can get rid of it and buy another Suburban that is much cleaner and do the proper rust proofing this time. This horrible rust affects all American auto makers even today my mum had a 91 f150 and it started rusting in around 1998. The only reason it hasn't disintegrated is because it lives with my grandpa who only drives it during the summer.
🥲had to get rid of my 99 grand prix because it got too rusty and the brake lines rusted through while i was driving and i had no brakes!
Make new vehicles cheaper and raise the price. The problem has been there for years. Quality will never get better. Cut corners get them out the door. It's the consumers problem. The problem has always been there just more obvious because of social media.
They have to include more gadgets and safety items everytime so they cut cost down in essential things that should work fine in order to be able to increase the profits. If safety mesures and laws weren't so stricts, like for example in 3rd world countries, we could have cheap reliable cars with no rust issues. Instead of having a car with 8 airbags you can do fine with just 2, it would be the equivalent of a late 90s early 2000s car. Tons of people still driving these old cars and surviving car crashes.
Car makers spray a foam inbetween the outer and inner fenders. They say its to keep the panels from rubbing together. The foam acts like a sponge an absorbs water and salt water from the northeast roads. This foam sponge material never drys up and the rust process is accelerated. I have learned through experiences that all those rubber and por 15 undercoatings don’t work and just trap moisture and again accelerate the rust process. The best undercoating and for inner car panels for the northeast is Fluid Film.
Very informative video. Worth watching
Remember kids, *"It's better to burn out, than it is to rust"*
This sounds like a commercial promoting insurance fraud... Hey, gotta do what you gotta do! 🤷
Mike, I have a 2012 GMC Terrain SLT 2 with only 54,000 miles garage kept and on mine & others right quarter panel rust threw , inside left door jamb seam rusted bad. I was a GM body - Paint tech for 45 years before retiring 2 years ago & I can't believe what I am starting to see on other makes & models as well.
why you babying a pos 😂😂😂
For vehicles that retail between 75 & 100 K.
One of the above comments stated cars driven in salt/ brine regions, then garaged,
the warmth of the garage tends to have a
detrimental effect on brine accelerating the
rust problem. CB
With your credentials, would you say that the sheetmetal/ primer and paint were better back in the 88-98 GTM 400 days? I have a 96 C1500 2WD std cab...it's only seen 9 michigan winters however there is virtually no rust on it except for the driver's door behind the rubber splash guard. Same with the chrome bumpers, grill, moldings. Very clean. Either I washed it a lot or the quality was better in the 1990s. Throw in the more simple 4 L60e 4 speed and the iron 5.7 with no VVT, no DI and no active fuel management, I have no intention of wanting a newer generation Chevy truck. 208,000 miles to boot. Most expensive repairs were a fuel pump and intake gasket. Hard to find these GMT 400s now in very good shape.
It's gmc , we're u expecting quality ? 🤣
Auction house will just bondo and paint over rust areas, and sell it at next week's auction.
Just like I do. Only I don't sell em. I use em. Good ole bondo, great stuff and duck /gorilla tape. Keep em forever.
23 years....that's about right, that eliminates 90s Hondas--aka rustbuckets. Though then again Mazda 3s were rusting like no tomorrow even in the late 00s/early 10s...
I have owned many cars and so has my family. Even though we do live in Texas, where they do not use salt on the roads, since I have been driving since the mid 70s, I have never had a car rust.
It's been a few years ago, but I was shocked at the amount of rust on a CarMax GM car. I always thought GM had quality corrosion protection before, but it seems they've had some bad years and models. I was surprised CarMax let it on their lot too. It's always possible these super rusty cars have been in weather events, damaged, and poorly cared for. The liquid brine they use now doesn't help either.
It seems like the only solution is to oil spray a car, but that's expensive and comes with a few issue too.
"Nobody skips the quality like GMChina".
I looked at a carmax Chrysler hardtop convertible that I really wanted, it was rusted so bad the drivers door could barely close and the sales guy tried to tell me no they double checked all their cars for rust-came from upstate NY and being sold in the south
@@markh.6687 Don't forget Land Rover. The Chinese stormed the Land Rover office because it was so badly put together. Land Rover is one of the most expensive mass production vehicles that is for sale.
@@deepthinker999 Any car that came from the UK most likely is a POS!
gm also had huge primer problems and clearcoat issues. had 5 different vans and trucks where the paint would come off to the primer and then rust very fast.
From the rust belt? Makes a world of difference
It sure does. If you live up north, it's gonna rust away to nothing in 10 years or less. I live in the south and I have vehicles more than 20 years old with light rust on the frame and that's it.
@@cward1954 fluid film the vehicle every year and it won't rust
In Michigan, as soon as you get any salt on a vehicle, it's wash ,wash ,wash no matter how cold or windy it is. Salt is bad enough but that bluish crap,,,I believe it's calcium choride which has a lower freezing point? That stuff seems big time corrosive worse than regular salt.
It doesn't matter which brand, if it lives a year in the salt belt without any attention paid to washing off the salt, it WILL rust. the funniest misconception is that garage storing a rust belt vehicle between trips helps limit rust. Parking a vehicle in a garage that was driven on salty winter roads is the absolute worst for them and this vehicle very well may have experienced both heavy road salt and being parked in warm garages between trips.
@@hochhaulif you live in the rust belt fluid film is your best friend! 💯💯 Even if not in the belt!
my previous 2010 Ford Fusion SEL that was always washed had the white platinum tri-coat paint, started rusting after 9 years. for a premium paint!!
Come up to mi Chevy trucks rust out on the wheel wells in less than two years. Because Chevy puts foam in-between the sheet metal and inner fender. Holds water add salt you get rust
YT'er South Main Auto pointed the sound deadening foam as a factor for rust when he was checking out a Silverado Pickup from the early 2000 teens that had major rust issues.
My 2010 terrain was exactly the same. Those holes let water in around the clips. Water sits inside.
Paint it up and oil undercoat it.