In 23 years I have NEVER seen car brands do this.
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- Are you in the market for a used car? Beware of the hidden dangers that can turn your dream ride into a costly nightmare! In this eye-opening video, we dive deep into the dark side of the used car market, uncovering three crucial factors that can make or break your purchase: rust, transmission issues, and poor craftsmanship.
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I worked at body and collision repair for almost 50 years, and in the 60s-70s the saying was if you go to a Chevy dealership on a quiet night you can actually hear the new Chevys rusting.
I have a friend who paints cars at a collision center. He's been repainting tons of
Vauxhall (GM in the UK) in the 50s &60 was just as bad - 'factory fitted rust' as we called it.
"What's that?"
*rust rust rust *
Ha when I was a kid in the 60s my parents bought a leftover 1968 Impala wagon in 69. We went on vacation to Texas that year and the thing blew every hose and the water pump as well. By 1974 it had stage 4 cancer. By 1977 the 327 made it's way into a split window corvette that belonged to my sisters friends brother. That engine is probably still in that thing somewhere.
😂 I remember that from when I was a kid...God it's been a long time...
thanks for having a great memory
The absolute insane part is that Yukon was a $80 to 100K vehicle.
No, it wasn't.
So what will happen to the Denali now if the whole frame is not replaced, will it go to The Crusher?
It's insane that someone bought that thing new. I'm sure they took a bath on it 🤑
Absolutely not. Even new those were 54-60k max.
Adjusted for inflation, perhaps. It would still sell for a good chunk of money in that condition in this market.
Imagine spending $80k on a vehicle that supposed to be durable and getting rust before the warranty expires
Who said they were durable?😂
@Already100 SUV's were originally intended to be road/off road vehicles but now they're just used as oversized cars
a lot of this has to do with the epa requiring water based paints. remember, government knows best!
Imagine having it rust just after the warranty expired.
Noticing the last 10 years, the quality has gone down but the prices keep increasing. And automakers are wondering why people are keeping older cars longer? This is why.
Relative to wages cars are less expensive than ever. Quality keeps getting better. People don’t maintain vehicles anymore, that is the problem. People keep their cars longer is proof that quality is continuing to increase. If you maintain your vehicle it will last for decades.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I'd love to see your numbers that relative to wages, cars are less expensive than ever.
In 1969 the average/median car price was around $3,000 to $3500. The median family income was $9400
In 2022 the average car price was around $45k - $48k depending on sources. Median family income was around $75k to $80k.
If you put $3500 in an inflation calculator from 1969 to today, it'd be about $29k.
I also don't think people are keeping their cars longer. Covid may have thrown that off, but in general, people aren't keeping their cars as long as previous generations.
Maintenance is one thing. I agree with machining and tolerances, engines last a lot longer now, but car manufacturers often cheap out. For example look at the Hyundai and Kia GDI engines. Those were trash. The GM suvs of the mid 20teens with the 6 cylinder are trash. Modern day cars should last far longer than what they currently do, but they may do one small thing like use a plastic washer or something really minor that causes a lot of problems.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q quality was getting better before covid and this government's push to electric cars. Automakers are making cars with cheaper parts to offset the losses on building and selling electric cars
@@82mattlopez It’s still getting better. Electric cars are profitable now.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q electric cars not profitable now unless you are Tesla.
Watching this makes me feel at little better about spending $2500 for a new transmission in my 1979 K10. Not that the build quality was better back then but for the fact that I did not pay 70k for a new truck to have it rot out in 5 years.
With many hear of stories of spending at least $100K on a late 2022 or early 2023 model year pickup when if it already is rusting before it was delivered to a dealership when rust issues are outlined and repaired by the dealership's auto body shop revealed by a PDI.
@@daniellibich1376
Teslas have been delivered with repaired cracked frames that were rusting.
Same here. I paid $2300 for my Chevy truck transmission to get completely rebuilt, and it was SO WORTH IT, despite the truck being almost 32 years old with 268,000 miles on it. It is paid for and I KNOW the truck will give years of service down the road.
This is the way to go. Rather replace a rocker panel on a 5k truck rather than replace stuff on an 80k investment/money pit
I forgot about those.
Glad to see someone’s exposing the junk they build today! We have been mass producing vehicles for over 100 years and yet the engineers today look past the simplest design flaws. You think they would have it figured out by now! I’m starting to think the reason new vehicles are so expensive is because they have to factor in all the warranty work that will need done.
Is not the engineers dictating the quality of the vehicle, is the bean counters. The customers don't matter, is the shareholders the ones they care about.
I'm 53 and lived in Iowa all my life. When the I-DOT started using salt brine instead of rock salt on the roads the rust problem went through the Stratosphere. I know guys that have been body men for 50 years and the last 25+ have seen shock mounts, spring shackels, shock absorbers, strut mounts and struts, brake lines and even frames rust to cardboard. Rust on cars has always been bad in the Midwest (73-79 GM pickup boxes melted away) but the last 30 years it has been abysmal. There needs to be a ban on the salt brine spray.
They should just spray hydrochloric acid on the roads, it's great for ice...
the us is a consumer society, salt brine is great for car sales
The dealers used to teach the customers how to rinse out body cavities and apply cavity wax and rubber undercoating... I live in evansdale Iowa and I never have to worry about, at least undercarriage rust because everything leaks oil.
That is one thing I don’t miss about Iowa.
I live in North Carolina and the DOT started using salt brine a few years ago, they put it down at night mostly before the frozen stuff arrives, don't get caught behind the truck putting it down. It helps some as we usually get freezing rain instead of snow, nasty stuff, one wreck after the other. Use of the brine has caused some issues with corrosion and rusting that we didn't use to have.
Nothing rusts like a Chevy truck.
Actually, that would be Dodge Ram. Chrysler and Dodge vehicles fall and rust apart more than any of the American brands.
I have a 2015 f150 and a 2020 ram 1500. I don’t have any rust issues since having them, nerd. Name should be Chevyfanboy
@Dave G I've already seen 4th gen Rams (both early and later 4th gens) have rust on them. They are built very poorly, especially when you compare them to Toyota and Ford. The Ram will eventually fall apart one day.
They sell like crazy down here in Texas, we never really think about rust
@Armando Diaz Yet again, it's also Texas, you don't have to worry about road salt and snow like we have to up north.
that 90K Car is rotted out before most owners would have paid it off. Thats... truly insane.
That is a good point!!!
I like that you tell it like it is. Sincere and honest. All of your hard work doesn't go unnoticed.
yeah they do not make em like they used to and he shows it well in this video
My Silverado rusted in less then 5 years. Pretty sad with the amount of money they we are having to pay for these vehicles.
gm pos
@@mattnorman5241 my expedition the hood and lift gate are aluminum and both are highly corroded and ford will not cover it either and it started after 3 years.
Then trade every 3 years. Keep vehicles new don’t try to keep these newer vehicles for the long haul. It won’t work. Unfortunately. My 22 Sierra 3500 will be gone at 50-60k miles. Get a new one and keep going. It’s the best way to go nowadays.
I have a 1998 Nissan Sentra with a tried and true fun to drive manual transmission and the car has no rust....the secret? I live in Georgia and we don't get snow here.
Even though I love American cars/Truck style, I only buy Toyota and Honda, just don't want trouble, with German cars just too much money to maintain and repair after 90,000 miles,
Funniest look on the new car salesman face is when he popped open the hood of a dodge truck and I started spinning off loose bolts with my fingers.
My dad, every couple years would put transmission fluid in the crease on the bottom of the doors. I thought he was crazy until I realized his cars never rusted even though we have horrible winters with lots of salt on the road. Transmission fluid has anti corrosion properties.
Even used transmission fluid works great .I tell people save it and put it in a spray bottle and spot spray the under side and any body panel you can get access to the back .
Most any oil has anti-corrosion properties, just by its nature, transmission fluid isn't any more special
Interesting
@@MrTheHillfolk True, but transmission fluid, being thinner, is easier to apply, especially with a spray bottle.
@@maxsdad538 it's like a 10 or 15 weight .any oil will creep.
Ever dip a connecting rod in 2" of oil after it's been thru a hot tank?
Come back the next day and the rod is wet on top.
The biggest takeaway I got out of this video is this: Auctions are more lenient do dealers for returns than dealers are on returns from an individual. Thanks Mike!
My mom works at a chevy dealer. And I remember in 2016 looking at the frame of a brand new silverado in the show room and seeing surface rust poking through the paint on the frame. Gm really cut corners on rust protection and prevention on the trucks and suvs from 08 to 19
ford same thing
Painted frame? Do tell.
I really think the mid 2000's were really the high point in reliability for the mainstream manufacturers that many middle aged people will see in their life time. With the exception of Nissan. Drivetrains were dialed, the vast majority relying on old-school more or less perfected (by that point) tech and without all the infotainment and safety systems there was less to go wrong.
What we are seeing now (as I'm sure you know) are all these new drivetrains designed around meeting EPA standards rather than user experience and no question some probably hit the market without the bugs worked out. Toyota is really in an interesting position as they almost exclusively attract no nonsense buyers who have super high expectations of reliability above anything else. We shall see.
If you look at the average MPG per vehicles sold in NA for a fiscal year you'll find the avg MPG has stayed the same if not declined over the last 20 years. MPG directly relating to EPA standards, the end quality has just gotten worse and harder to maintain. Example 2005 Silverado 17 combined MPG, 2020 Silverado 18 Combined MPG, guess which is easier to take care of. Modern Automotive industry is sadly not your pal anymore.
@@volvoproblems3567 seriosuly, I was getting 32mpg highway in my 98 impreza outback wagon. Small engine, small light car, not hard to figure out. All todays vehicles are a full class size larger than the same designated class 20 years ago and they are bogged down with so much garbage all the little mpg tricks in the world can't save them at the cost of increasing complexity and difficulty servicing.
There was a methodology change to EPA numbers around 2008 and another one a few years later. Manufacturers had been overstating their numbers by 10-20% before that.
@s0nnyburnett It doesn't help that undersized engines with a Turbo slapped on seem to be the direction many manufactures are taking with their trucks. Sure, they may pass with the EPA testing but that isn't how they end up being driven in the real world. Power may be adequate with a heavy foot but that's not saving gas. It's just ridiculous.
Exactly. We were getting rust proofing under control and learning it pretty good back then, now they just leave pinch welds bare with nothing.
Back in 2016 we got a new Ford work truck, within 8 months I looked under and all the pinch welds had rust staining the paint and it wasn't even winter time yet.
You can tell that it was rusty water staining the paint, but where was that rusty water coming from? If you said inside of the rocker panels you win
This is why if you do a yearly Lanolin based undercoating you MUST put that stuff inside your rocker panels. On that GM body style its extremely easy to do. Remember these panels rust inside out, not outside in
Agree with everything you said….except the extremely easy to do part. Maybe if I had a lift in my garage.
@@davehaggerty3405
Get ramps or jacks
@@davehaggerty3405 Get the 3M "Cavity wax" kit. It comes with a wand and the caps you use to close up the holes you drill. That kit, even if you buy two will protect the insides of your rockers and inside your wheel wells for years.
Back in the 1972 while car shopping I recall opening the door of a new Chevy Vega and seeing rust on the door hinges. The one next to it had the same rust on the hinges and on that one it was also visible running down the door jamb. They actually were rusting on the showroom floor - a new high in lows. Several years later I bought a new Chevy Impala and kept it for ten years. I eventiually sold it to my BIL and it didn't have the slightest bit of rust on it. But it ate transmissions for breakfast. Proof that if GM fixes one problem, the cost will be paid for in another part of the car.
4t60 is a horrible transmission lol
@@samholdsworth420 A transmission that was too weak for the Chevette so GM said "Let's try it in full sized cars - what could possibly go wrong?"
@@tamer1773 the transmission (4l60e) is the Achilles heel in older c1500 and Silverados. A great truck regardless
I've heard of about just how bad GM was on the Vega and it's clones!
Same time Ford had cars staying before they got to the dealers too!
Mike dude. Did you legit call that Nissan a Rowgoo? 😂
Raw Goo more like it. CB
Good thing we have an honest used car dealer, like yourself, to prepare the cars to our expectations.
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I have only met two HONEST car dealers (new or used) in my 67 years on the planet!
In Dec 1975 I bought a new 1976 Trans Am in Pennsylvania. At 27 months, one of the trunk-lid hinge brackets rusted completely through and broke, allowing rain & snow melt to get into my tool box and ruin most of my tools. The Pontiac dealer (from whom I had previously purchased 3 new vehicles & referred other buyers) told me to "go fly a kite" because the warranty was 24k mi or 24 months, whichever came first. I knew it was a manufacturing defect because the hinge brackets are INSIDE the trunk. At about 3 years old, the manual trans had to be rebuilt due to noisy bearings. Also, the starter began to draw huge amounts of current, causing electrolyte to spew out of the battery vents. It was a nice, fun car by 1970's standards. I sold the car in Dec 1979, with rust along the bottom of the doors, due to the widespread use of rock salt on the roads. I have not purchased any more GM products. Sounds like they're back to their old lack of quality control.
They've totally abandoned concern for consumers. No surprise they're not the #1 manufacturer/seller anymore.
I've heard similar stories from literally every car brand. My dad's Citroen Dyane (I'm french) started rusting out after a couple years from new.
Cars were all kind of junk until the 00s, but these have other problems due to complexity...
You missed out. By the mid 80s GM quality control had been vastly improved. By the 90s and early 2000s, GM was producing some decent and very reliable cars. Everything has gone downhill since then due to insane fuel economy regulations. But it was great for a while.
@@gregorymalchuk272Then came Mary Berra...
@@Raptor3388 "literally every car brand" Maybe it's cheap metal from China? That's strictly a guess.
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GM should merge with Boeing.
I like it that you say every manufacturer has problems. You don’t sugar coat your own brand.
Toyota is one of the most overrated at the moment.
General Motors has some of the worst rust protection of any automotive manufacturer.
Subaru has excellent rust protection and has a great rust warranty that they stand behind.
Not just GM, they all have corrosion issues.
@@MS3DALE GM is the worst, especially with pick-ups... Still coating truck frames with wax
The Wax frame coating on Silverado,
@@xephael3485 Never had an issue with the wax frame coating on any of the trucks I've had over the years, even driving them in snow/salt during the wintertime, all in how its taken care of I guess. And you should see some of the Ford's and Dodge's that come into our body shop with rusted out bedsides and rockers.
My 23 years old Saab with 270,000 km doesn't have half of the issues these American cars have after after 4 or 5 years.
We own4 cars in our family and none of them is younger than 10 years. No because we can not afford it but because its a decision. One of my neighbours is driving a new Tesla and the car now failed the first road worthy test (TUEV) after 3 years. It is insane. He will have to spend now more money on the repair of his new car than mine did cost 5 years ago when I bought it.
Been seeing a lot of Chevrolet trucks with rust lately. Makes me like my aluminum Ford even more.
Aluminum oxidizes as well, if not properly
sealed and painted. CB
me too
@@EmmyPierz-ek7hi The layer of oxidization protects the below metal, unlike rust from steel.
@@EmmyPierz-ek7hiyeah, but oxidized aluminum protects the metal below. They actually oxidize aluminum on purpose to protect it in certain applications.
A lot ( perhaps most) of the body parts in the new F150 are bonded with adhesive at the seams. This helps to prevent corrosion in these areas which are prone to it.
That black Yukon had to have been a flood car more than likely from the deep South and in Salt water
It’s comforting to know that my 2017 F150’s body will never have the rust issue and by Fluid Filming the chassis every year, I hope to stave off rust under there also.
It's still possible to have corrosion issues on an F150 body; the bolts are steel and galvanic corrosion can happen between dissimilar metals, such as if winter road salt bridges the gap between the aluminum and steel. Also, aluminum does corrode in it's own way, though slower than steel. Ever see alloy wheels with grey stains?
@@questioner1596 true dat! Already got to deal with steel rivets in the tailgate.
I live in Northern Michigan and see a lot of late model trucks, mostly GM and Ram, rusting in those exact spots - rear wheel arches and rockers. You have to rust proof and undercoat cars in these heavy road salt areas and wash frequently them in the winter including washing the under carriage. I had a couple Wranglers that I treated with WaxOyl on the underside and cavities. Worked great.
the risk is they won't outlast the payment plan..
I see late model GM, Ford and Rams pickups here in Massachusetts that were rusting through in those same areas that you noted. Some worse than others.
@@johnm.5848 Neighbor has a newer Ram (upstate NY), it is starting to look 25 years old with the rust! But Ford Alumabody pickups rust too :(. I have a 2011 F150 yeah, those rust! But not as bad as the much newer RAM!
GM’s are the worst- Ram and Ford seem to swap third and fourth place behind Toyota
@@cantbsdave I take off my tail light and shoot fluid film in the bed sides. Pretty much guaranteed to get some rust there. Salt goes in and never washes out. Moisture hangs around because it is kinda enclosed. In the spring I have pressure washer wands that curve and clean it out. There are places like that on cars too.
Remember the Vega? I owned one that started to rust the moment I drove it off the lot.
Yes I remember the old 1973 rust bucket very well. Ran out of oil on the way to Myrtle Beach.
I had a mustard-colored '72 Vega wagon, I miss that car. You could sleep in it.
TRUE! I bought a new 72 Vega GT. Engine burning oil and wheel wells rusting in the first year!
Stop every 150 miles and get oil, and check the gas.
@@josephgaviota Top the oil, check the gas, love it! That's about the time I got my catholic girlfriend pregnant and met her 6 foot five father. Those were the days my friend.
I bought a new 72 Vega in 1972. It was the car of the year that year. Had rust spots within 6 months. Was a complete rust bucket within a year.
So what you complain ? They sold you car of the year, yep last 1 year. Good luck and maybe 2...
I had a 73 gt
bought it new
was made out of compressed rust with paint holding it all together.
This is one of the highest value videos I’ve watched especially on your channel. With all the cars you see these type of pattern failures you observe are important to educate your viewers on. I work in automotive quality so I see a lot with our core brands. I try to keep up on other brands build quality issues but I don’t see the diverse stock you see. Great job on this video hope to see even more content like this in the future!
It was excellent. Im going to be in the market soon and I am rethinking what I am going to buy. Probably will be looking at 2018-19. And save some $$
I'm a rust repair shop, rocker panels are separate from the rest if the vehicle, there are spot welds to drill out, then have to do some cutting,replace them with oem rockers and cab corners,and it's good as new.... as long as the rust is just down there.
Depends on the vehicle. I worked at Mitsubishi plant that used to be in Illinois. The whole sidebody was one stamping. Most are getting to be that way.
Mike what we are seeing in today's world is cutting back on quality but still making it look great at a premium price and I remember the Ford Granada now that car rusted out really fast.
The 1970's 2.0 (Pinto, Vega, Gremlin).
The 1976 Plymouth Volare my parents owned went from a creampuff to complete rust bucket in 2 years. Many cars from the 70's had major rust issues.
All 70's cars did
That era of vehicles was The Rise of the Rustproofers.
@@markh.6687 A.K.A. rust buckets.
This reminds me of the Plymouth Volare and Dodge Aspens from 1976 through 1979, where after 2 years, the front fenders were completely rusted through. Chrysler was forced to recall them and replace the fenders on those vehicles.
I love the Nissan Rogoo.
Raw Goo. CB
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Née sun Ragu… it’s Italian
Keeping my 90s and 00s japanese cars forever. Thanks 😊
Despite Toyota’s door latches kept coming apart in that era, they can still run freakin’ forever.
Its an outer rocker on a full frame vehicle. No need to replace the entire door surround. Of coarse everyone is gonna say the entire surround needs replaced, thats because they want to hose you down for more money. They give you a worst case scenario and price it to that, then section the rocker. You need a new body guy, one not taking you to the cleaners.
Rust fixed properly does not come back. Most are not willing to fix it properly though.
+100 When I heard him say the whole door frame needed replacing my first thought was "eh... no", my second was his bodywork guy must be worth a fortune.
That vehical would be a structural write off in Australia. When the oocupant crash cell area is badly rusted or bent your not allowed to do Band-Aid coverup repairs.
If it's structural damage, as outlined by the video, and GM's replacement procedures dictate that you have to replace the entire side of the car, then that's what you have to do. If you do an improper repair and that vehicle is crashed, and you will go to court and you will have the pants sued off of you. Many of my colleagues have been called as expert witnesses in cases like this, and it never ends well. Even then, why would you compromise the safety of your customers to save a few bucks? Thought processes like that are why mechanics and bodymen are looked down on as liars and cheats.
Its not a bandaid coverup repair if you replace the rocker panel. No different than replacing a quarter panel.
IF it’s structural damage. Thats assuming the guy in the video knows what he is talking about, and more to my point, assuming the body guy that told him it’s structural damage knows what he is talking about. The vehicle would be much much more compromised replacing the entire surround. No shop does this. I personally have 2 trucks, state inspected, with rockers replaced. They sell door surrounds and they sell rocker panels for this yukon. There is no damage to the door surround just the rocker. No insurance company will replace a full door surround for a damaged rocker.
Around here all full size GM trucks have rocker area rust. Back in 2001 I bought a new GMC pickup, the rockers were completely gone on the bottoms by 2005. It never once saw salt water and was kept in a garage about 80% of the time.
A buddy bought a 2010 new, his did the exact same thing, 15k on the clock and garage kept, it needed new rockers by 2004.
Its actually rare to see a GM truck here without rust in the lower rockers like the one in the video here.
You say it never saw salt water; do they not salt the roads to melt ice in your area, or salt gravel for dust control?
Also, if you live in the snow belt, salt brine is often used, along with actual salt/deicing stuff and some areas of the NE use it year round for dust control in the summer months as they have a lot of unpaved roads.
At least on commenter has said, if you park you vehicle in a heated garage, the heat can acsaserbate things greatly and it's common for vehicles to barely last 10 years in those environments.
How does a 2010 need rockers by 2004?
@@BadDriversOfMassthink he ment 2014
I'm from Minnesota, you'd think with the salt applied to roads 6 months a year (winter) we lived near salt water. Good luck finding a car over 5 years old without hints of rust. I do know that around 1990, Audi did something to their metal we made it much less rust prone. Had a 96 A6 (10 years 350k) with only surface rust in all the right places (doors, rocker panels, wheel wells)
they dipped their cars before assembly, the major structure/ cabin.
Good Point, I have a 17' Ford Fusion with at 100,000 miles and no rust, not even a hint. I'm in Twin Cities area, MN. My son has a 2000 A4 Avant that has well over 200,000 miles and still has little rust, a spot on the rear hatch and the rockers right behind the wheels. I believe it's the pickups and SUV's that rust like crazy.
@@Gypsy2057 A4 would have the 1.8T or 2.8, keep up with timing belt water pump every 100k and regular oil changes. Pickups and SUV's - used more in winter?
not washed as often
Wait a minute. If rust always comes back then how is the first rust fixed Yukon you sold going to be just fine? I'm confused.
Right, I caught that as well.
I ordered a 2023 F350 Lariat Tremor with the 6.7 high output diesel. And I want to thank you because I was going back and forth on buying the Ford extended warranty (10 years/175,000 miles)….you just convinced me to get it. 😊
I wonder if the Denali was flooded with sea water at some time. It looks like the major rust is where road salt would not get to. It seems to me that many people have brought up a good point. Cars made during the covid lockdown suffer quality issues. Transmissions also have gotten worse over the years. It doesn't make much sense to me to make an engine that can last for 500,000 miles if the transmission only lasts 140,000 miles. Why would they bother?
Supposedly to obtain better MPG. A lot of plastic is being used where metal was to save weight.
I was talking to a customer that owns a transmission shop, he says newer GM transmissions are failing at a shocking rate.
GM doesn't want you to buy a new frame, GM wants you to buy a whole new Denali.
but they want $$60k for thier junk!
They know that when you are upside down at 40 months of your 72 month loan,you will buy a new trans no matter what.
My 99 Tacoma body looks as good as it did the day I bought ii in 1999. Wonderful vehicle!
Never do a trans flush !!! Always replace filter and fluid never flush!!!!
That's right, Tommy!...errr, Aaron! (sorry). A power flush can force debris INTO all kinds of places VERY BAD for a transmission, especially the newer designs! So remember..."Drain the trans fluid, NOT your bank account!" And knowing is half the battle! GO JOE!!
It's been a few years ago, but I was shocked at the amount of rust on a CarMax GM car. I always thought GM had quality corrosion protection before, but it seems they've had some bad years and models. I was surprised CarMax let it on their lot too. It's always possible these super rusty cars have been in weather events, damaged, and poorly cared for. The liquid brine they use now doesn't help either.
It seems like the only solution is to oil spray a car, but that's expensive and comes with a few issue too.
"Nobody skips the quality like GMChina".
I looked at a carmax Chrysler hardtop convertible that I really wanted, it was rusted so bad the drivers door could barely close and the sales guy tried to tell me no they double checked all their cars for rust-came from upstate NY and being sold in the south
@@markh.6687 Don't forget Land Rover. The Chinese stormed the Land Rover office because it was so badly put together. Land Rover is one of the most expensive mass production vehicles that is for sale.
@@deepthinker999 Any car that came from the UK most likely is a POS!
gm also had huge primer problems and clearcoat issues. had 5 different vans and trucks where the paint would come off to the primer and then rust very fast.
Living in the suburban Chicago IL area, I bought a 2010 Ford Escape new, V6, Automatic w/towing, w/leather seating, new in Aug. 2009. I weigh over 200 lbs. The driver's auto seating is still good, with no tears, no bad spots and I do a lot of short-distance driving. The other seating areas are like new. 92K miles today, with only a new water pump needed so far. I always use Pennzoil full synthetic, Platinum grade. I had the transmission oil changed before 60K. It runs like a top as the saying goes. Yes, there's some surface rust on the back liftgate which I will have replaced by swapping a used liftgate I bought out of Dallas TX which is in no-rust condition. My auto body shop said to use ATF in the interior of that critical rust area to help protect from rust on the replacement. One thing I try to always do is wash off the wheel wells inside the ledge above the tire on each wheel well. That area catches the winter road salt which is responsible for the rusting. So, far the vehicle is still good in the wheel wells. Why would I get rid of that ride? No, I won't. What's been going on with auto manufacturing is terrible but I think the government has a lot to do with that.
Try "PB Blaster Surface Shield" or Fluid Film.
I've been working at a GM dealership as a tech for quite awhile, I have seen new silverados not even a year old come in with rust issues aswell, same with Yukons and Suburbans. I feel like its getting more and more common. Plus I live way up north so rust is an issue. But on newer style vehicles is crazy, my 22 year old vehicle doesnt even have any rust and newish vehicles are rusting out faster then older models.
get ready for frame replacements like how toyota is doing
Old is gold, older domestic vehicles are better made, to better quality standards, and with better longer lasting materials, compared to the much newer vehicles.
If many wonder if automakers are building vehicles to last as long as the warranty period when if one is a GM technician at a dealership also has a role in the auto body shop when if they see practically brand new Silverado's/Sierra's along with Tahoe's/Yukon's, suburban's and finally expresses/Savanna's already rusting before they were delivered to dealerships. If many share a story about 2024 model year vehicles already rusting after leaving the assembly plant.
Mike you are correct. I have two 2017 Lincoln Continental Livery vehicles and both are rusting on the rear trunk lid left side. Ford says it is not big enough to warranty. I saw this on the hood of the 2015 Mustang as well. I was told these parts are coming from Mexico and are not properly treated.
Odd, considering that Ford has been getting parts made in Mexico for the past 30+ years.
@@cward1954 just maybe Mexico is doing sub par work.
This is happening on Fords Aluminum panels. Moisture gets between the paint and the panel, then the aluminum oxidizes and the paint bubbles. Happening on the aluminum tailgate of my Expedition.
Just excuses from the manufacturer 🏖️
Boy, I would not be happy if I were to you either. I'm sorry to hear that.
Yes, you can tell that they are saving money, but in the wrong place. In Germany, wax is sprayed into the cavities in the inner side of the fender, rear side panels and underbody to seal them. I don't see that in the USA, even with repairs, the work is good and then the whole thing is put back together, but the cavity sealing is useless! Wax is not expensive and the customer will be grateful if they don't have to come back with the repairs after 6 months!
General Motors are using thinner and cheaper metal then in the past, and most of there cars and trucks are rusting out in 5 to 6 years.
gm is trash
I've replaced rocker panels on newer dodges, the aftermarket replacements are twice as thick as the original ones that are paper thin.
My 2006 Dodge Caravan SXT shorty
Only 64,000 miles, both outer rocker
panels completely rusted out ( gone )
Front hood edge rust bubbling, front
& sliding doors, lower surface rust on
outside& seam rust inside. Shame!
Very nice looking white van purchased
NEW. Northern climates with salt/
Calcium Chloride road snow/ ice melt
certainly takes a major toll. CB
I have a 2000 GMC Sierra that has been garage parked all of its life. After watching this video I got a flashlight and started crawling around looking for rust. In great shape, guess the year 2000 was a good year for GMC. What worries me is my Daughter just bought a new Nissan Rogue. I hate to break the news to her that she needs to flush that CVT every 30,000 miles and quit driving that little super charged light weight like a race car.
Make new vehicles cheaper and raise the price. The problem has been there for years. Quality will never get better. Cut corners get them out the door. It's the consumers problem. The problem has always been there just more obvious because of social media.
They have to include more gadgets and safety items everytime so they cut cost down in essential things that should work fine in order to be able to increase the profits. If safety mesures and laws weren't so stricts, like for example in 3rd world countries, we could have cheap reliable cars with no rust issues. Instead of having a car with 8 airbags you can do fine with just 2, it would be the equivalent of a late 90s early 2000s car. Tons of people still driving these old cars and surviving car crashes.
I had a 02 Subaru outback with 337,000 miles and it had no rust and only one rip on the inside door handle. That car was CLEAN
Wow! Southern Car?? CB
@@EmmyPierz-ek7hi Washington so no but I believe it was garage kept
Cars are made of steel! Your car also has rust somewhere. Mostly on the axles. But it may be that you don't see anything on the surface and you will be happy for 20 years. Note: If you drive through salt and rain, your car will rust!
What I find astonishing is that they buy cheap poor Indian steel and then they are shocked the metal corrodes so easily...
Well Nippon bought US Steel so maybe there's change around the corner... maybe...
This reminds me of the 1970's when GM started using recycled metal. We literally had new cars rusting in the showrooms. Especially bubbling around the rear windows.
Had a brand new GM 1 ton truck in 79 drove it in SASK (no salt on roads at that time) BOTH front fenders rotted off in 2 years. True story.
@@dog_guy-c8x Oh I believe it, I witnessed cars literally rusting in the showroom. I was selling cars In Winnipeg in the mid seventies.
Same thing is happening with certain Dacia models in Europe. Standard feature is rust from the factory. Dacia Duster is an awful car in almost every way and I have no idea why that thing is so popular.
@@marten6578 There are hundreds of Dacia Duster cars in my town. Never seen any rust on them.
Cars sold in EU are mostly rust free for first 15 years, later it does not matter.
@@marten6578It's the cheapest proper car you can buy, that's why. But these are absolutely everywhere in the countryside in France, and I've never seen them rusty. Though I've never touched one so maybe the rust is hidden.
The new 2500hd chevys are rusting BADLY!
Auction house will just bondo and paint over rust areas, and sell it at next week's auction.
Just like I do. Only I don't sell em. I use em. Good ole bondo, great stuff and duck /gorilla tape. Keep em forever.
Back in the 80s Toyotas were terrible rust buckets and I don’t mean just frames. My 1986 Toyota rusted through in 5 years and by 10 years the fenders were actually flapping in the wind.
Mike, I have a 2012 GMC Terrain SLT 2 with only 54,000 miles garage kept and on mine & others right quarter panel rust threw , inside left door jamb seam rusted bad. I was a GM body - Paint tech for 45 years before retiring 2 years ago & I can't believe what I am starting to see on other makes & models as well.
why you babying a pos 😂😂😂
For vehicles that retail between 75 & 100 K.
One of the above comments stated cars driven in salt/ brine regions, then garaged,
the warmth of the garage tends to have a
detrimental effect on brine accelerating the
rust problem. CB
With your credentials, would you say that the sheetmetal/ primer and paint were better back in the 88-98 GTM 400 days? I have a 96 C1500 2WD std cab...it's only seen 9 michigan winters however there is virtually no rust on it except for the driver's door behind the rubber splash guard. Same with the chrome bumpers, grill, moldings. Very clean. Either I washed it a lot or the quality was better in the 1990s. Throw in the more simple 4 L60e 4 speed and the iron 5.7 with no VVT, no DI and no active fuel management, I have no intention of wanting a newer generation Chevy truck. 208,000 miles to boot. Most expensive repairs were a fuel pump and intake gasket. Hard to find these GMT 400s now in very good shape.
It's gmc , we're u expecting quality ? 🤣
If you (the car owner) live in an area where the roads are salted in the winter and you do NOTHING to defend your vehicle from the salt, then guess what? IT IS GOING TO RUST! There is one (and as far as I know, ONLY one) guaranteed way to stop your vehicle from EVER rusting. Get it oil sprayed every winter. I drive a 2014 Sierra Denali 2500 and I am the original owner of the truck. I drive it every single day through every single NE Ohio winter. Right in the heart of the rust belt. Our roads are salted for months on end. My truck doesn't have ONE SPECK of rust on it...ANYWHERE. Obviously any bare metal parts have surface rust, as you literally can't stop that unless you paint/powdercoat those parts. But I'm talking about the bubbling, structural rust you see in this video. There is not one single spot of that anywhere on my truck.
Every winter, right before the first snowfall of the year...and therefore right before the roads are salted for the first time...I thoroughly wash my truck and then take it to get it oil sprayed. The guys I take it to even drill holes in the door frames and other spots and spray oil in there (then put removable caps in for future sprays). I will then do the same thing at least once more in the middle of winter when/if we get a week of really nice weather. Wash the truck off and take it back for another spray.
I've done this every single year since the truck was new, and you will not find one single speck of rust anywhere on it. It's now seen a decade of Ohio winters, being driven every single day. I can absolutely guarantee you that if you do the same thing to your vehicle, regardless of brand, IT WILL NEVER RUST! And if you DON'T do this, it ABSOLUTELY WILL RUST at some point. You can't get road grime, road salt and water permanently stuck in a crevice between two pieces of metal and expect it NOT to rust. It's gonna rust...unless that crevice is full of oil.
And whatever you do, NEVER, EVER, EVER get your vehicle "undercoated". "Undercoating" is and always has been a colossal scam. You WILL destroy your vehicle if you get it "undercoated". My dad bought a brand new Z71 Suburban in 2003. Got it "undercoated" when it was new. That truck didn't even make it 100,000 miles or ten years before the underside essentially fell apart from major structural damage due to rust. The crazy part is that the doors and body had ZERO rust on it like you see in this video. But the frame, suspension and floors were DESTROYED. I'm not exaggerating when I say that the underside looked like the Titanic. It looked like the truck had been sitting on the bottom of the ocean for a decade. I've never seen rust that bad on a truck of that relatively young age and light usage.
Every single section of the brake lines on that Suburban rusted out. He took it to a shop to have all the lines replaced. The scumbags at the shop replaced every brake line EXCEPT for the one that went across the rear axle because they said "it looked fine". On the way home from the shop, that rear brake line ruptured and my dad drove that Suburban home with no brakes, parked it in his back yard and went out and bought a new truck the next day. He got that new truck (another GM) oil sprayed from its first winter and just like my truck, NO RUST ANYWHERE ON IT still to this day.
I'm not saying that the quality of the components used in new vehicles isn't decreasing. I wouldn't be surprised if vehicles made during the so-called "supply chain crisis" created by the Wuhan Flu were all built with extremely low-quality parts all throughout. They'll probably fall apart faster than any other vehicles in history. But the reality is that the vast majority of lazy people in this country NEVER take good care of their vehicles, then act surprised when they start to rust and fall apart.
You really hit the nail on the head right there brother. Finally found someone with some sense.
Remember kids, *"It's better to burn out, than it is to rust"*
This sounds like a commercial promoting insurance fraud... Hey, gotta do what you gotta do! 🤷
When you start seeing rust on newer cars in the south you know it's bad.
Our last Toyota had a rust within a year.
@@hochhaul A lot of salt on the road in winter?
Just more reasons to keep my 2012 Ford Focus Hatchback, with MANUAL transmission. 163K and still runs like new. It's a fun car to drive.
Mike, although I do appreciate you wanting to return that Yukon due to the rust. However, I would like to make one major constructive criticism. Even though it is true, you have to buy the whole right side opening from GM, becUsw that's the only way it comes. You do not have to put the entire side on. There is what's called I-CAR specifications. There are certain spots you can cut and Splice the rocker in without doing the entire side. Hence making it a lot cheaper. and the safety is still intact. Just FYI.
@@robm3063 I was thinking of Vehcor when he made the observations on the Yukon. He also lives in IL and deals with roadsalt issues as well and proactively treats the cars due to that...and sources salvage cars and parts from the south on a few of his videos.
@@325xitgrocgetter He's not to far away from where I live. I'm west suburbs and he's southwest suburbs.
But, cutting out parts of that is just putting a band-aid on it. That was his point, to do it right, you need to replace that whole structure. Listen people, "do it right", do you know what that means?
@@mikeflege5733 As I said in my reply the Vehcor channel should be watched. The guy rebuilds cars and in Illinois where things are more regulated. If fact he has a few videos of cars he has bought that were put together really bad. It's not rocket science. You are not ever going to get the exact part for your repair. You are going to get a large part and you cut the section out you need. If I walked into a body shop and they said the whole side of my car needs to be peeled off I would run as fast as I could away.
@@robm3063 Exactly, and that's why he's going to return it to the auction company. He's running away from it
This isn’t just Chevy. Here in Pennsylvania the DOT started using a liquid brine solution to pre treat winter roads. Unlike salt rocks, the brine sticks to the cars. Cars are rusting out like we’ve never seen before. I had a 2012 legacy that rusted out after 4 winters.
Yep.
AAA a few years ago said salt brine was 2.5 times as destructive to cars as rock salt.
Come up to mi Chevy trucks rust out on the wheel wells in less than two years. Because Chevy puts foam in-between the sheet metal and inner fender. Holds water add salt you get rust
YT'er South Main Auto pointed the sound deadening foam as a factor for rust when he was checking out a Silverado Pickup from the early 2000 teens that had major rust issues.
Bought a new Pontiac TransAm in 1998 with an LS1 engine burning a quart of oil every 500 miles. Noticed it immediately after owning the car one week. The regional GM Rep wanted me to give him $3000 to replace the car so I ended up getting a new car via a Lemon Law arbitration hearing. GM Corporate blew me off and in the hearing the GM Rep said a quart of oil in 500 miles was normal. The panel looked at him like he had three heads. I've since purchased seven new vehicle but none were or ever will be GM Junk.
They have gone into planned obslence. Cars waaay back when you were lucky to get 100,000 miles out of them. Then people started getting 300,000 miles because quality went up. People drove their cars longer and bought fewer. Now they are going cheap and jacking up the price so they don't last as long. So you have to replace them more frequently.
Well stated.
1960’s cars only went 100,000 miles
Drivetrain wise
70 mph freeways and ancient oils were
the main reason.
The 1970’s cars ( Mavericks/Vegas ) were
cheapened with NO inner front fender liners.
Added later in mid 70’s for those newer
models, but a little late/ the word was already
out about their quality. CB
yup going cheap and costing 60k
14 and newer GM trucks not only have transmission and engine issues, but severe underbody rust issues too. Have also seen 14 and newer Jeep Cherokees have rust too
This. ^
Still driving my 2009 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor I purchased in 2017 w/62, today 2024 has 150k, I want an R/T Challenger but still pushing the Vic until I can’t anymore 👍
I don't think you have to cut all that out. Sure you have to remove both doors then you cut out the bad rocker panel and then see how far the rust goes, cut it out treat the rest of the metal to prevent future rust weld on the new treated replacement rocker panel and door jams if need be. I watched a lot of Vtune and Goonzquad videos on repair damaged vehicles and did many repairs that way.
Yes, even if you buy a repair panel you don't have to use all of it, just chase the solid metal.
Crazy. My 17 year old FX4 doesn't have any rust like that. Not even underneath.
You've convinced me. I'll restore my 1985 C-10. Thanks. Good Luck, Rick
yes, i did my 83 silverado, easy to get parts and easy to work on, few pumps of the gas pedal and your off.
Nothing new here typical GM rust. I’ll keep my 2004 Silverado.
In the late 1990s, I worked in a garage. I saw Toyota Hiluxes there, 5 years old, with rotten doors and rotten windows frames,in the back windows.
In 1972, my father bought a new Volvo 145. In 1979, five years later, the windshield almost fell off, due to huge rust holes in the lower corners of the windshield
Because of all the above and more, I am staying with my fourth generation Subaru Legacy wagon, which I bought in March 2004, exactly 20 years ago today, for the next 20 years. Original engine and original transmission, never opened and not even a single spot of rust!
This Subaru receives the best care, at a Subaru garage, only with original parts and on time. Whatever the cost.
My pride and joy. And I love the way she looks, every day.
To make a long story short all new vehicles are junk
My 25 yr old jeep is still rust free down here in NC where it dont snow
I saw an article on the reason for the rust. The issue is where they are assembled. The plant is old and leaks like a sieve. As the components are running down the line they get wet. There is actually a story that frame rails were filled with rain water then sealed closed. This caused the car to rust from the inside out…
Solution has 4 letters: FORD.... they got rid of such rust in the 90's...
Not entirely true, definitely better
Maybe it’s just the south in me, but that seems like a ton of frame rust
I had a 94 Chevy Astro van back in the day, made with two sided galvanized steel and she really lasted. Chicago Metro weather is really tuff on cars and trucks.
Never known a transmission flush to solve a problem. My experience along with others is that it creates problems. It may be safe for a transmission with under 60k miles?
I've always heard that a complete flush is never good for any transmission unless it's one that is rebuilt.
Don't flush it, just drop the pan, replace filter, and refill. Do that every 30k or so and you will greatly increase its life.
The GM 8l45/8l90 trans has a problem called "Shudder", feels like driving over rumble strips. Flush with new design fluid cures this problem on 95% of them.
Honda had similar issues with their 5 speed auto about a decade ago. The trans was programmed to cycle the TC quickly at steady highway speeds, supposedly for fuel economy. Felt like rumble strips. They reprogrammed the TCU to stop it and swapped out the prematurely worn fluid, fixed. And the economy didn't seem any different after.
My 2020 WRX has 40K miles and the carpet by the gas pedal has worn through. The cloth interior is sun faded and the sheet metal is so thin, that if I lightly lean on my fender to clean my windshield, I can feel it flexing in!
Cars are made as cheaply as possible just to get an extra dollar profit from each unit.
Why are you driving around with no floor mats man? Can't imagine not having Weathertechs/Husky Liners in a car.
Gotta keep that stock price up, and keep overpaying the CEO for his or her "leadership"
As well as increasing the MPG as required by the federal government.
@@sawyermartin4434 Not everybody can spend on high-end floor mats. And in a wet/snowy climate, normal floor mats trap water in the carpet, leading to mold and worse. I took my mats out years ago because my floor was always wet in winter and I didn't drive far enough for the heater to dry them out.
@@markh.6687 If you can spend money on a vehicle, you can spend a couple hundred dollars to get a proper set of all-weather mats. Laser cut/fitted mats like the brands I mentioned do not trap water or moisture like the mats you mentioned.
I used to work for GM building the tahoes/ escalades etc and those trucks are junk they are designed to rust. Underneath the truck there are SO MANY holes that literally allow water and dirt to get trapped in between the panels that you can never get out. There are parts of the truck where the DOZENS of holes underneath it lead directly under the carpet of the truck and we just put plastic clips in place which aren't water tight at all. there are too many flaws to me to list on these vehicles but it is all by design. These trucks are made to last 5 years and then they want you to buy the next one. My advice to anybody looking for a new vehicle just buy a cash car and avoid payments on these newer junk vehicles. I've heard The manufacture has around 20k invested into each truck and then turns around and sells them for $80-$200k depending on the options and where it is going in the world. trust me when I tell you they aren't worth it.
I think this is perfectly normal for a car that was driven in the rust belt. Perhaps Chevy Dude lives in an area that doesn't use salt on the roads and this car is not a local car. Here in Kansas City there are numerous Chevy Ford and Dodge trucks that have flapping bed sides by the time they are ten years old.
Which makes you wonder - WHY do they still salt the roads so heavily when they know it's destroying every vehicle that uses the roads?
@@josephoberlander Because its designed to destroy the vehicles. The northerners do it for a reason, they're against right to repair.
Toyota and Honda aren't just happening transmission issues, they're having major engine issues. 3rd gen Tacomas with the 2GR-FKS have having engine failures, 3rd gen Tundras are having engine failures left and right. New Hondas with the Earth Dream engine are having their crankcases flood with unburned fuel and Honda tells dealers to just change the oil and give it back when they know the engines have been seriously damaged by the fuel-diluted engine oil. Not to mention the Ridgeline and Pilot are having bad torque converter issues.
Ahh yes, transmission issues. The chickens have come home to roost, the end result of such questionable "innovations" such as transverse front wheel drive based drive trains and CVT's.
@@billdang3953 there were quite a few of us that were skeptical about the reliability/durability of the AWD system that the 2nd gen Ridgeline had. They overheated on pretty mild trails that TFL Truck took them on and the transmission fluid service interval that Honda specified was just crazy. Most owners would never realize they are supposed to change the transmission fluid fluid every 30k miles if they drive it off pavement or tow. Now torque converter failures are a frequent issue.
Toyota's have aways been overrated.
Imagine the feeling of those of us who bought these things new and now have the joy of watching them rust away. Back to the days of the Plymouth Volary. Only this time the cost is way higher.
Similar to the white Equinox you had. GM junk
Seems like we're entering Malaise Era Part II. I'll probably hang on to our pre Covid Era cars for a long as possible. I bought a bicycle in 2020 and have had problems with it, primarily with the spokes bending or breaking. And the selling dealer was blaming it on supplier and quality issues...
Remember the GM Mark of Excellence when GM made the best cars in the world? GM used to be what Apple is today.
Friend had an apple phone, brand new I 11, phone was a lemon from day one, battery life was garbage, sw lock up out of the box, they traded in the phone on a Samsung that was paid off fast with the trade in
My Cousin is an Top Engineer at Ford for 40yrs & he says that an F150xlt 4x4 cost 7,800 dollars to make & build & they sell for 60k plus...
Trucks are high margin vehicles.
Anyway, that seems just like materials and labor only. They also have to pay for R&D , marketing, tooling for the factory, and other associated costs.
Due to the Green New Deal we are seeing extreme government mandates on car companies' fuel economy averages for their product lines. So they are forced to put tiny 1.5 liter 4 cylinder engines in midsized cars like the Honda Accord and Chevy Malibu. They have to add turbos to these engines to get horsepower up to to the levels a naturally aspirated V6 would have. I worry that these cars will have problems much sooner than the V6 cars of the past due to the stress of forcing a tiny engine to work hard. Also the CVT transmissions in these cars are a big question mark for me.
The manuals have week clutches and gears of plastic
You assume (expect) a new or nearly new vehicle to be as old as its first registration date but many people aren’t told how many are sat in fields or lots for sometimes years before they are even sold. I purchased a brand new vehicle many years ago and had to pay what at the time equated to a months wages as a deposit before they would even build it as it was a limited edition Peugeot 405 Mi16 Le Mans and a colleague purchased a standard road edition, also brand new 6 months later. 15 months later my car still looked brand new and his, had rust showing through all the wheel arches and in places on the chassis. New is relative to your perspective, not the manufacturers.
Gm trucks have been rusting faster and faster with each new generation. Sad that GM is going to be the dodge of the past. That’s why old dodge cars go for a premium because most of them rusted away
My 2006 Dodge Caravan SXT shorty
64,000 carefully driven miles
Rockers gone by 2011
Surface rust lower (4) doors
Rusted inside door seams
Hood front edge bubbling.
Shame really
White rust bucket Now
White beauty when I purchased new.
I keep a small paint roller/handle wet
with white latex paint ( plastic bagged)
in refrigerator, can do a 15 minute paint
“ Restoration “, at least it looks good
from far away!!!!!! 😳😬. CB
“Ro-goo”??? 😂
Outsourcing has become the bane of the manufacturers existence. When you make the conscious decision to bid suppliers against each other the deficit always comes out in the product. Henry Ford knew what he was doing when he built the Rouge plant and brought everything in house from steel to tires. And Tesla wouldn't exist today without that same mentality.
Rust usually indicates salt belt, or too close to the coast. Any idea where that rusty Tahoe is from?
I live in the salt belt. My 20 year old Ford doesn't have any rust at all.
Chevy Silverados always rust on the cab corners, rear wheel wells, and rocker panels. Fixing them only lasts a few years if one is lucky. Not sure about southern or western models, but up north forget these trucks. Why GM continues to build these trucks with these issues makes no sense. And why buyers continue to patronize GM is illogical.
Ford and Rams do the same thing
@@toddschlicher That is sad. I recall Toyota Tacomas having rusted frames. Toyota replaced the frames or paid more than bluebook to buy them back even though they were out of warranty. Never happening with the Big 3.
In my opinion a lot of the rust problem is due to improper maintenance in cleaning the car not drying it and not washing regularly
I thought this level of rust on such a young car went out in the 1980s with Datsun. Madness.
You never owned a Honda built in the 90's.