These motherboards are not supposed to be used for overclocking, plus you're using 100-75 watts in this cpu instead of 34-45 watts. Just use the normal 2.3 GHz clockspeed, because the CPUs are powerful and doesn't need overclock.
Exactly. Not properly thinking about it before making review, i would add fans that directly blow air on it and it would not have any issues later or just add proper heatsinks that will do the work just fine
@@MDCrabTank usually on cheap motherboard at 65W cpu draw proper vrm do not need heat-sinks looks like garbage parts used if with heat-sinks up to 100C
I bought the 11600H a month or so ago and they included the larger version. Also the VRM's were a little toasty, but nowhere near as warm as what you got here. And yeah, the bios is a bit rough too. There are plenty of options they could have omitted and not made a difference to the usability of the board.
As someone who has this motherboard with the i9 variant I need to disagree. Erying has addressed the vrm heating problem and sell a updated vrm heatsink you can easily swap on the motherboard. It has fix it and the vrm temps are now better. I have mine water cooled with a 240m aio and temps on idle are 24° and in game hot max 60° I have increased the voltage and multiplier and run it at a constant 4.8 hz. Yes the bios is tricky however once you understand it, this motherboard is amazing for the price!
same.. i just got the 13th gen i9 13900HK enginneering sample board. Same experience. Took some doing in BIOS but memory speed up, AIO 240mm, I volt up and get 4-5ghz, games are great. Does it get warm, sure.. but within tolerance. It is the price to performance that is impossible to beat. But I like to tinker around, it isn't for everyone.
New editions have better VRM cooling and if you already have one without a good heatsink you can buy now improved VRM heatsink to upgrade the MB very cheap. I think this combo for its price is a bargain.
I have one of these with the unlocked I7 11800H engineering sample and yeah the stock heatsinks are pretty bad but the improved heat sinks that they sell for like $13 are much better. And they also sell versions with the improved heat sinks pre-installed. Not saying, anybody should buy this. I certainly wouldn’t recommend it to anybody who’s planning on using it as a Main system. But it was a whole Lotta fun to play with and if you know what you’re doing, you can get pretty good performance out of it. Mine runs 4.6 GHz all core @ -50mv and in games performs about the same as a 5600 G or 5700 G. Not bad for 160$
@@techyescity how can you say the larger heatsinks wouldn't help if you never tried them and your setup had TERRIBLE airflow over the VRM heatsinks anyways?
@@techyescity Do you use an open-air bench to test these? Bigger heatsinks and airflow going along the VRM's makes a decent difference in the temps that you won't see from using open-air relying on convectional heat dissipation. Would be worth testing inside a case to see if there are any differences, maybe even invest in some temperature probes to get more accurate readings while inside the case since glass would mess with the thermal camera.
@@takeshi7 im using a thermalright apx120x67, which is a down draft cooler over the improved heatsinks and my temps are way lower than what hes getting. This is why i wanna know how he tested the vrm temps. Forgot to mention the thermal grizzly thermal pads im using.
I bought one not too long ago and i like it. It came with the improved heatsinks and i tested both, the improved ones (they use screws and not just plastic clips) are much better, especially when you add a cooler that pushes air down, be it a stock cooler or a LP Noctua. I don't have a flir camera, but with my laser thermometer, i got a max of 70c on the VRMs after tuning the CPU and RAM. I don't expect a cheap board to do magic, but with proper airflow, the VRMs aren't just going to die. Atleast someone decided to actually do it, don't see any of those X79/X99 makers doing something like this. If a better board manufacturer makes something similar of better quality, then good, especially if it's an ITX board, which is probably the best option for a laptop CPU, makes the PicoPSU wattage requirement that much lower.
Yeah i got similar results on mine @75-80w with a downdraft cooler and shooting the bare vrms with a temp gun. If you set these up right they will live just fine. And in actuality games the cpu never uses that much power and the vrms dont get that hot in any of the games ive tested in my library. So as far as im concerned its not a very realistic scenario anyways.
I got the i9 11900h about a month ago had problems with installing win11 but adding a gpu seemed to solve it got a thermalright assassin and a 3070ti. cpu temps 60degrees awesome value just have to tweak it a bit
@@fireflossyt just make sure you got decent airflow over the vrms and your golden. Yeah ive been pleased with the performance on mine. Performs similar in games to my 5700g which was more than i was expecting tbh. And you can cool it in games with a stock intel box cooler ffs.
@@fireflossyt had a small issue with drivers, windows wouldn't download them at all, needed to install them without windows update. Not sure if the boards fault or windows being windows, could be either or. But otherwise, no issues so far.
I've ordered the 12500H ITX version which doesn't have the ES chip and is a more efficient CPU design. I also plan to use a down draught cooler with additional fans so VRM temps should be well in check (15-25 degrees lower) Not overclocking the snot out of the 12500H will also help matters as this will be for a Plex server build. I was disappointed not to see some temp results with active cooling over the VRMs as other TH-camrs have had great success. Some have even used them in server builds with big power savings (Craft Computing) The key here is to treat the 11800H and the other varients like a laptop CPU because, well it is a laptop CPU! You won't see many laptop manufacturers dump 100+ watts power profiles into their laptops because they're designed to operate at a lower wattage within their power/efficiency envelope. I'm sure the VRMs, not mention the CPUs in laptops run hotter than standard motherboards and they still hold up over time. Run the CPU at 45W TDP or 75W TDP with active cooling and you will be fine using this combo. Run 100W+ TDP in a hot box of a case with no additional fans, smashing out Blender workloads all day long then expect trouble!
Craft computing got it running without issues because I think he used an Intel box cooler. That way, the vrms get some air while with the tower cooler like used by Brian, they don't get any. At 45W this should run okay, but I would want craft computing to respond on that matter, as it is quite the issue.
I have the 11900H ES. With a light breeze and the new version VRM heatsink you can get 75 at the base of the heatsink using 85W tdp. The real problem in my opinion that the whole system with a m.2 ssd and only integrated vga eats up 210W from the wall at 85W tdp. I tried 45W and still 125W from the wall. Thats a lot.
You can get a b550 motherboard for 100$, or a b450 for even less, and ryzen 5500 costs less than 100$ brand new. So instead of buying something fishy, it's better to just get something from the store or something used that you can check.
^ This, and the motherboards are absolutely stable, they've been so since Ryzen 1, and Asus still offered Bios updates even up to Zen 3 / Ryzen 5000 series. You can overclock and undervolt. Just the best motherboards ever.
Agreed - sacrificing warranty especially for a dodgy product is never a good idea. If on a budget would rather sacrifice some performance for peace of mind. After all a dead PC is just a paperweight.
A B450 and ryzen 5500 is a great cheap combo, shame it doesn't have integrated graphics. You would have to factor in buying a discreet GPU or Ryzen 5700G series APUs for comparable results.
@@Solrak8O You can get a 5600g instead of the 5500 if you need integrated graphics. But if someone is planning on playing games he will buy a discreet gpu anyway. Either way this Aliexpress combo is the worst thing you can spend your money on.
Appreciate the honest review. I expected the VRM to be bad, but not this bad. Any change by using a downdraft cooler and not a tower cooler? I was thinking about low power home server use, not gaming.
I wouldnt worry about the MOSFETs, they are often run much hotter. Its a mild concern for the capacitors only lasting a couple of years but with any normal airflow there they should be fine
He is overclocking the system, whoever ensambled that mobo and cpu did it with the 45w tdp design, going beyond the limits would cause that, that is like overclocking an a320 chip or an intel h610 mobo, there is a reason why overclocking mobos for intel cost over 300 usd.
I'm on a very similar Maxsun (Meterstone) 11800H Plus right now. I went with this as ErYing was using all ES chips or early chip skews that were not technically recalled but changed to "correct" something. My ambient is 27-28C and I run it at 45W. The Maxsun VRM temps might not be much better but I've had no issues after 2 months of use, gaming and watching TH-cam. Mine has a decent BIOS but no website support from Maxsun. The standard Maxsun quirk of having to load optimized defaults once to get Windows11 to see the TMP was required.
Adding biggest heatsinks even without fans would help a lot. I suspect that they used low quality MOSFETs or too low amount of them. Another thing is that this motherboard could have some kind of failure.
They probably expect that people will use something like box intel cooler, that would give VRMs enough air to stay...well, not cool but at least alive. Bad engineering but with "correct" cooler everyone who already bought it can at least use it for few years.
@@ArtisChronicles L12 would be the better choice if you had to go with one of those..... you know thats like the most ridiculous usecase for a c14s on a 45w laptop cpu that can pull close to 100w. or just buy a thermalright axp90 on anysize thats currently selling for like 15-25 bucks
Yeah the CPU is great, just the VRM is a total disaster, the 45 W results says it all... that much heat leakage at such low wattage indicates a horrendously bad design.
Craft Computing ran his ~80 watts. Idk if he ever figured out how to run it at 80 watts constantly, but in one of his videos he said it would turbo to 80W for 90 seconds, then drop to 45W for 30 seconds, then turbo up to 80W again. edit: I do think CC eventually figured out how to get it to turbo 100% of the time.
Hi Bryan, could you tell us how did you manage to unlock the CPU to let it boost to all core 4.4 GHz , I assume it is the non ES variant? I have the 11850H variant and can't get past the default all core 4.3 GHz for the life of me.
12:50 I used R5 2600 4000Mhz + Aorus B450 Elite and I had no problems, and now I use R5 5600X 4650MHz + Aorus B450 Pro and everything also works perfectly, the temperatures are excellent, they range from about 30C idle to about 65C max in gaming or full working.
Tiger Lake is fundamentally different from Rocket Lake; you might need a custom mobo BIOS to run them in standard boards so it's probably not worth it to adapt to LGA
Never seen a VRM that didnt heat up unreasonably when there is no air flow removing heat from it. Perhaps you did put a fan on it but its not terribly clear in the video. I use a 11600H version, with non-upgraded VRM, that is in a old server 4U case and have no issues with this level of heat. Tested under heavy load for several hours and never peaked more than 81degC. The VRM heat might be an issue if its being deployed in a low air flow (Alienware, lol) or small form case where air flow is more restricted.
Hmm... are the problems bad enough that the design would be unreliable even if I were to put Noctua fans directly on the VRMs? If I'm understanding correctly, this seems a lot like the early Xbox 360 RROD issue where you could fix the problem pre-emptively by slapping active cooling on the CPU and some other parts of the motherboard so that things didn't melt under load... but you had to do it before the console failed, because after meant you were too late and it was bricked. Like, can those components never handle this amount of power, period, or can they just not handle it without active cooling? And if that isn't a solution, is this baked into the circuit layout, or is there something simple you could do if you were desperate, like swapping out the caps (or other components) they used for ones with a higher rating, etc?
you can find an upgrade on the board vrm from the exact same seller. just skim thru their listing. you cant missed it since erying only have 1 vrm add-on atm. its a solid choice if you planning to upgrade the vrm heatsink in few month down the line.
There is a new mITX version of the 12th gen board with a different power delivery setup. I'm not going to say better, even though it's a safe bet because it would be hard to make it worse by the sounds of it, but having not touched it, "different" is as far as I'm willing to go.
I have their 12900H MATX board with the upgraded VRM heatsinks, and I'm happy to report at stock settings with 32GB Silicon Power 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM, an ID-Cooling IS55(5 heatpipes) low profile downdraft cooler using Arctic Silver 5 paste in a Thermaltake Core V21 case(200mm front fan/140mm rear fan on a fan splitter as mobo only has one case fan header), I'm seeing in the 30 C range for daily usage(most of the cores in mid - upper the 20's), and only a couple of 50C - 75C spikes being reported by Psenor temp monitor on Manjaro GNOME Linux. My only gripes with the board has been the somewhat basic oldschool Bios, and the PCI-e 8x (runs about the same as PCI-e 3.0 16x)slot for a GPU which limited my choices somewhat, so I went with an openbox AMD RX6600XT 8GB card, but for $357.59 shipped I can't complain too much. Also if you have an older board their Aliexpress store has the upgraded VRM heatsinks you can buy, and I think he should reach out to Erying, and see if they will send them too him for testing, and see if he gets a better result.
I had considered this briefly. But decided too consider somthing more up to date. One of the commenters on the original Craft Computing video that was posted shortly after I saw this TYC installment morning at about 8 am CST left some negative feedback regarding your cleaning choices and some name calling. I don't know what that guy had against you but his negativity really turned me off. I have long considered your content very competantly done and top notch! Sorry I can't remember his moniker. It wasn't long and it's midnight and haven't gotten around to posting today.
Ah would like to see the comment lol, I'm quite used to it. People would rather drop names etc. Than argue facts, It's fine. As long as I save someone on a budget avoiding this garbage, then this video served its purpose.
@@techyescity Have found it on his 1st reveiw of the board reveiw you did. Mijc Osis left the comment I reported on. It is about the 3rd newest post on Craft's 1st posting on the 11900h mobo. While I did check on the mosfet vrm's at 175 C max i concur that longevity is questionable in long run.
I have a faulty Asus Rampaga gene 3, have 2 working cpu-s i7 970 and xeon x5690 with 24 Gb ddr-3 1600mhz (dominator). Do you have any suggestion for a new motherboard or should i just throw everything in to bin? I wanted to build me a server.
I was actually very close to ordering the combo with the i7 12700H, you’re a life saver Bryan! These VRM numbers are actually worse than the first gen Huanan X79 boards from back in 2018, it’s incredible😂
They might even have been meaningful if he had looked up what kind of MOSFET they used and it turned out to have an incredibly low heat tolerance fro power silicon
Craft Computing and others prove this is a great setup thats superfast and crazy power efficient It was ridiculous that he put on a hundred watts in this laptop processor and then said that it ran hot😂
I picked up one of the 11980H engineering sample variants, and the first thing I noticed was even at idle how hot the VRM heatsink was. I knew it was garbage, but this video was great to show to what degree of garbage it is. Erying needs to spend $5 more in VRM components :P With not a lot of information, I needed to find out, and the system does run very well for everything I've tested it on. I wonder if there are compatible VRM parts that can be swapped in. If these are gutter tier chips, I wonder if higher rated parts in the same series might be possible with a little hot air.
Did you try just sticking a block of aluminium or a couple of alieexpress cheap heatsinks? 200 usd seems a bit rich to not include VRM heatsinks but this seems like a manageable issue to me.
My Erying i7 ES 2.2 GHz board suddenly will not post after 11 months of ownership. It was only used for gaming and productivity with the stock bios, stock clock speeds, etc. I have tried all troubleshooting steps and Erying refuses to honor their stated warranty on this motherboard. Buyer beware!
This video has a bit missing and I'd like to add context, especially since I've been using the 11980hk ES version of this board in my main system for a month now Erying has the improved heatsinks that bring down temps considerably, with a 15c difference at 120w from my testing this VRM is pretty garbage but the improved heatsinks and airflow from a 80mm fan allow 160w without issue 30c case temp (AIO is pulling from top of case) under load VRM doesn't get above 90c (75c on sensor +15 for hotspot) I have my CPU running at 4.9/4.8 for two best cores and 4.7 for the rest on a 360mm aio (LM used under heatspreader). Memory is at 3400 cl14 with tuned subs. I'd be more than happy to send in test data to Brian if he's curious, but these boards do have potential, just be aware of what you're buying into Edit: this is also this company's first foray into these motherboards so they paired it with a base spec compliant VRM. Their newer ITX boards feature infinitely better VRM capabilities.
So they actually sell the vrm heatsinks seperately, which sucks, but they are available. They immediately foxed the bios on their next gen models. Can we get a review of those???! Nobodys gone after the newer itx models yet.
im haveing issues with temps , ive moniterd my temps on a stress test and while gameing and im getting high 60,s on my 13600k with a artic 240 cooler but when i check my max temps every now and then its say it hit 90 ish and im confused ! stress test temps are 60.s so how os this happening ?
i use a similar board in my main system, not a single one of your issues i had other than high cpu temp, which for me ks caused by my faulty AIO. that is caused by your cooler using heat pipes, water cooling is ideal for this setup. i like it very much and recommend it. i got a max cbr23 score of just under 16k. i got it for 250$ a year ago. it is an amazing value, and nothing near the price range can even come close. it has a very similar cinebench score to the ryzen 7 5800x. the board and cpu alone cost less than a similar performing cpu. you have not done enough testing.
@@ABRetroCollections didn't know there was a craft computing video, but I have thousands of hours of experience on my board, and none of these issues I've faced.
Like i said, i was running a 12900hk by months and just with a 1.90$ nvme heatsink on the vrms and an aio i have really but really good temps. Even in OC (5.1 ghz) my vrms never get over 88° with 115w powerdraw. The guy in the video benched the mobo on the desk without case airflow so.. in that case vrm temps are gonna be high also on 700$ motherboard!
Since you have this already, I'd be interested in seeing this with a traditional top mount cpu cooler such as a Cooler Master A71C! Awesome video and testing btw.
Man, its not true. Im using the version with new heatsink with no issues. I have a 3070, 6650xt and 4090, no problem in gaming. Plus, i buy the itx version 12700h, what a MB!!! Love it!
well, there are "improved VRM heatsinks" sold separately for that and similar combos. Also there is no need to overclock the CPU because the only PCI-E (gen4) slot is wired only for x8 lanes, so the optimal GPU for this would be something like RX 6600 or RX 6600M 8Gb in desktop variant for the grand total of a comfortable 1080p gaming and energy efficient system.
I had the i7-11800H in a laptop and I can attest to it's performance. I always wondered how the 11800H would do with proper cooling and 3600MT/s RAM in XMP. the benchmark scores I got with my 11800H in an Asus M16 laptop were able to rival the R.L. i7-11700 non-k. Tiger Lake is Rocket Lake done right. It's too bad Erying dropped the ball on this one. They really should use VRM's that can carry a CPU at 110w, while the VRMs hit around 70c... which is more than safe.
@ Tech Yes City ; I touched based with Craft Computing since jeff also did some coverage on Erying, and he was okay with what he tested. I'm wornding if the combo is okay at stock settings and not overclocked. If using a down draft air cooling solution.
I have the 12th gen I7-12700h and it's an absolute trainwreck of a board. Only powers up when it feels like it. Press power button, "may or may not" enter POST. Different memory (including their "sure to run at 3200mhz" - which it doesn't by the way), different PSU's, in/out of the enclosure (tested on their behalf), with/without PCIe GFX card .... doesn't help at all. Board can run ok one day, next day doesn't even power up and either goes into an infinite reset loop prior to showing any output on the video ports, or the PSU cuts out on the board after 2 seconds. (5 different brands of PSU's, all doing the same thing, PSU's tested on different boards : they are perfectly ok) Bios very unstable (changing the default settings from "num ock off" to "numlock on" is already enough to crash it on the next boot. Bios can't be flashed without external flasher programmer due to "issues with the bios circuit on the I7-12700h MATX boards" according to them and they offer _NO_ help in that regard. Completely uninterested in offering a solution : according to them "when the board starts, there's no problem". The fact it only boots like 1 out of 2 times doesn't bother them at all. My advise : if you have one of these and it works, good for you ! I'm happy for you. If not, and you're contemplating on buying one of these ? Don't. Don't walk away. Just run. Useless company, their products are pure luck-of-the draw in terms of functioning, and they offer ZERO technical support when you get into trouble. Erying made my old Huananzhi board look like a high end brand.
Maybe they tested this with downblowing stock coolers? I've one of these arriving to pair with an i3 12000F, with noctua 140mm downblowing cooler and 200mm front fan in core v1 case. If still too hot, top off, another v1 case with no top inverted on top, second 200mm fan. If still too hot, 180mm silverstone beast of a fan for extraction duty, external.
I have one of these and I used a low profile cooler witch blows fresh air direct to VRM also I replaced thermal paste with liquid metal. Now all temps ok and no worries.
In their defense because I bought the i7 and i9 boards. I also bought the upgraded VRM heat syncs because I heard about how skimped the VRMs were. So far so good. But then again i haven't even went in yet for overclocking on the CPU.
Quad channel 2400MT/s memory doesn't beat dual channel 3200MT/s by a meaningful performance delta real-world, especially in anything with any sensitivity to memory latency. And any power MOSFET built in the last decade is going to have at least a 125⁰C rated Tjunction. More often 138⁰C, and sometimes 150⁰C. Especially when not relying on convective currents off the heatsink, instead using dynamic airflow.
I bought one a few weeks ago, updated the Bios to the feb 2023 and been using it as a daily driver. It's been fine, although I don't have a GPU just using the iGPU, and dual HDMI. I was using a Lenovo E30 (from a decade ago!) prior to this, and got to say I've been happy. I'll have to add another fan since I'll be worrying about it, but the biggest issue Ive had is that Hyper-V doesn't work.
AVX512 tho I think that these might be perfect for some RPCS3 boxes. I have a blower-style server CPU cooler, with one of those and a low-profile GPU like a Quadro T1000, it might be able to male for a kickass PS3 replacement. Other than that though...
Interesting. Craft Computing (the beer guy) reviewed one of these Erying 11th gen motherboards (an i9 variant) and liked it - very good performance and good temps, although I don't think I saw any VRM temps. Maybe you just got a crappy one. The QC of these Chinese manufacturers is all over the place since they contract out the assembly in batches. Maybe contact Craft Computing and compare notes.
I was going to try and get one of these for my linux server to try and bring the power usage down. I think I'm going to look into getting a T variant for a skylake board I have instead. ☹
Running the 11th gen 8c16t ES max boost 5ghz with updated vrm cooling for exactily a year now: unraid 24/7, watching a movie: cpu =30degrees c, vrm's 45-50c. Erying has gotten ridiculously expensive since, But just to show, better get your info from GN or craft computing, this review was BS all the way, for the enthusiast a nice board.
I picked up the 11900ES version, I had to set the ram up manually as XMP didnt seem to like my Kingston Fury Beasts 3200 but no issues after I did that, VRM does get too hot for my liking under test loads such as cinebench while using the integrated GPU on my test bench but mine seems to cool down after a few mins after the test completed, am toying with the idea of replacing the VRM mosfets for superior but compatible ones with a lower internal resistance or watercooling them as I have some VRM block kicking around in a drawer if I can machine them to fit.. - I am using an old Phobya uc-2 waterblock/ EK D5 combo pump/reservoir and a 360 radiator and the max cpu temp I am seeing under load is 60c @4.7ghz running cinebench all cores without any undervolting yet... this is not a board for an install and forget but for someone who tinkers its interesting...
I bought an erying "i9" (cpu 0000) mobo. In aida64 it has under temperature's aux. This appears to be the VRM's. It isn't the best, i think it is good value. Cpu uses 4 to 10 watts in windows idle
id be interested to see, if you just went watercooled (not practical ik just a thought i had that i found interesting) and added some of those little vrm/north/southbridge cooling block from when water cooling those components were actually a more common thing, if it would actually perform very very well. i do acknowledge even a cheap watercooling setup for this would be as much as the package but would still be interesting...
I have no idea and not to encourage a purchase and regretting it but maybe the cpu vrm can handle those temps I dunno for sure coz I dont have the make/model numbers and related spec sheets
4:20 I'd quite like that if I might say so myself , now you've finished your tests and review I'd love to see you test this to destruction and burn the VRM out - I bet a board like that doesn't have any protections :)
I recieved one with i9 10900h. and it's running beautifuly in ASUS AP201 mATX case. No such trash tempertature at all. in open test, there might be possibility VRMs not getting any airflow. Very happy with purchase. It's summer in India and evn with NO AC, it's perfectly fine. Also, I was completely aware before purchasing that temps can be dodgy as mentioned in video but i haven't seen any issue with this motherboard yet. Running ram at rated speed at 3200Mhz.
With a top-down cooler it would be a different video. This VRM heatsink is too small, I agree, but many people wrote that there is an upgraded revision with beefier heatsink. VRMs usually have the operating temperature up to 115C, but with shortest lifespan at this temp. Going to around 80C with beefier heatsink under load would be optimal.
Could you try putting a bigger heatsink and a tiny fan on the vrm for cheap and get this thing to run cooler at 100w or more? Maybe with a little diy it could be a good value.
The problem isn't specifically the heatsinks but rather the power delivery is just too underspecced or inefficient. Adding a massive heatsink (or even water-cooling) wouldn't stop the root problem which is that heat being produced in the first place even at 45w
@@spusuf Sure they are not efficient (or at least there is not enough of them to be in their efficiency zone) but 100c or more is typically within the upper boundary of spec for power components. The heatsink also looks to be pretty undersized, I think the issue is marginal enough it could be fixed with an overkill cooling setup. I am willing to bet even with only 4 stages that vrm is not nearing its amp limit.
I thought it said crying. I guess this review made it cry.
I read it as "Frying"
@@fajaradi1223 We're all just trying
I just thought they just misspelled it in their Chinglish ways 🤣
(insert "Please give me Coke" Meme)
😂
The motherboard screaming to die
These motherboards are not supposed to be used for overclocking, plus you're using 100-75 watts in this cpu instead of 34-45 watts. Just use the normal 2.3 GHz clockspeed, because the CPUs are powerful and doesn't need overclock.
So that CPU is made to run between 2.3ghz and 4.6ghz you CANT overclock the 11800H why it use 100w is because it has more cooling
Trash cpu
A direct fan for the VRMS would probably solve the problem. Thes are early 2000 AMD FX 970 problems. Usually easily remedied.
Exactly. Not properly thinking about it before making review, i would add fans that directly blow air on it and it would not have any issues later or just add proper heatsinks that will do the work just fine
But cmon
This is 2023. There's no reason to do this if 40$ board literally did the job much better
@@MDCrabTank usually on cheap motherboard at 65W cpu draw proper vrm do not need heat-sinks looks like garbage parts used if with heat-sinks up to 100C
But this aint the early 2000's they cheaped tf out.
@@HardWhereHero LMAO its a Cheap Chinese board. "Cheap" being the key word.
I bought the 2.6GHz (11980h) version and it came with the bigger vrm heatsinks which used to be an optional upgrade.
I bought the 11600H a month or so ago and they included the larger version. Also the VRM's were a little toasty, but nowhere near as warm as what you got here. And yeah, the bios is a bit rough too. There are plenty of options they could have omitted and not made a difference to the usability of the board.
As someone who has this motherboard with the i9 variant I need to disagree. Erying has addressed the vrm heating problem and sell a updated vrm heatsink you can easily swap on the motherboard. It has fix it and the vrm temps are now better. I have mine water cooled with a 240m aio and temps on idle are 24° and in game hot max 60° I have increased the voltage and multiplier and run it at a constant 4.8 hz. Yes the bios is tricky however once you understand it, this motherboard is amazing for the price!
same.. i just got the 13th gen i9 13900HK enginneering sample board. Same experience. Took some doing in BIOS but memory speed up, AIO 240mm, I volt up and get 4-5ghz, games are great. Does it get warm, sure.. but within tolerance. It is the price to performance that is impossible to beat. But I like to tinker around, it isn't for everyone.
What about using a down firing cooler?
New editions have better VRM cooling and if you already have one without a good heatsink you can buy now improved VRM heatsink to upgrade the MB very cheap. I think this combo for its price is a bargain.
Sorry it’s western youtube blogger. He will pay $400 for same performance
Could some of these thermal issues be rectified by putting thermal pads and heatsinks on the vrm elements that aren't cooled?
I have one of these with the unlocked I7 11800H engineering sample and yeah the stock heatsinks are pretty bad but the improved heat sinks that they sell for like $13 are much better. And they also sell versions with the improved heat sinks pre-installed.
Not saying, anybody should buy this. I certainly wouldn’t recommend it to anybody who’s planning on using it as a Main system.
But it was a whole Lotta fun to play with and if you know what you’re doing, you can get pretty good performance out of it.
Mine runs 4.6 GHz all core @ -50mv and in games performs about the same as a 5600 G or 5700 G.
Not bad for 160$
You can stick the bigger heatsinks on, but that VRM is NOT going to last, regardless of what you put on it.
@@techyescity out of curiosity, how are you measuring your vrm temps? Id like to measure mine the same way your measuring yours.
@@techyescity how can you say the larger heatsinks wouldn't help if you never tried them and your setup had TERRIBLE airflow over the VRM heatsinks anyways?
@@techyescity Do you use an open-air bench to test these? Bigger heatsinks and airflow going along the VRM's makes a decent difference in the temps that you won't see from using open-air relying on convectional heat dissipation. Would be worth testing inside a case to see if there are any differences, maybe even invest in some temperature probes to get more accurate readings while inside the case since glass would mess with the thermal camera.
@@takeshi7 im using a thermalright apx120x67, which is a down draft cooler over the improved heatsinks and my temps are way lower than what hes getting. This is why i wanna know how he tested the vrm temps.
Forgot to mention the thermal grizzly thermal pads im using.
Dumb question but is it fixable with better heatsink and cooling in those areas?
I bought one not too long ago and i like it. It came with the improved heatsinks and i tested both, the improved ones (they use screws and not just plastic clips) are much better, especially when you add a cooler that pushes air down, be it a stock cooler or a LP Noctua.
I don't have a flir camera, but with my laser thermometer, i got a max of 70c on the VRMs after tuning the CPU and RAM.
I don't expect a cheap board to do magic, but with proper airflow, the VRMs aren't just going to die. Atleast someone decided to actually do it, don't see any of those X79/X99 makers doing something like this.
If a better board manufacturer makes something similar of better quality, then good, especially if it's an ITX board, which is probably the best option for a laptop CPU, makes the PicoPSU wattage requirement that much lower.
Yeah i got similar results on mine @75-80w with a downdraft cooler and shooting the bare vrms with a temp gun. If you set these up right they will live just fine.
And in actuality games the cpu never uses that much power and the vrms dont get that hot in any of the games ive tested in my library. So as far as im concerned its not a very realistic scenario anyways.
I got the i9 11900h about a month ago had problems with installing win11 but adding a gpu seemed to solve it got a thermalright assassin and a 3070ti. cpu temps 60degrees awesome value just have to tweak it a bit
@@fireflossyt just make sure you got decent airflow over the vrms and your golden.
Yeah ive been pleased with the performance on mine. Performs similar in games to my 5700g which was more than i was expecting tbh. And you can cool it in games with a stock intel box cooler ffs.
@@fireflossyt had a small issue with drivers, windows wouldn't download them at all, needed to install them without windows update. Not sure if the boards fault or windows being windows, could be either or. But otherwise, no issues so far.
I wonder if you were to use a downdraft cooler for active VRM cooling and a 55w limit
I thought the same thing maybe a Arctic aio and good air flow
Also with the heatsink for the vrm that they sell
I've ordered the 12500H ITX version which doesn't have the ES chip and is a more efficient CPU design. I also plan to use a down draught cooler with additional fans so VRM temps should be well in check (15-25 degrees lower) Not overclocking the snot out of the 12500H will also help matters as this will be for a Plex server build.
I was disappointed not to see some temp results with active cooling over the VRMs as other TH-camrs have had great success. Some have even used them in server builds with big power savings (Craft Computing) The key here is to treat the 11800H and the other varients like a laptop CPU because, well it is a laptop CPU!
You won't see many laptop manufacturers dump 100+ watts power profiles into their laptops because they're designed to operate at a lower wattage within their power/efficiency envelope. I'm sure the VRMs, not mention the CPUs in laptops run hotter than standard motherboards and they still hold up over time. Run the CPU at 45W TDP or 75W TDP with active cooling and you will be fine using this combo. Run 100W+ TDP in a hot box of a case with no additional fans, smashing out Blender workloads all day long then expect trouble!
Yes absolutely agree 100%. I would consider adding small fans or a copper type shim in between to help cool things down.
Craft computing got it running without issues because I think he used an Intel box cooler. That way, the vrms get some air while with the tower cooler like used by Brian, they don't get any. At 45W this should run okay, but I would want craft computing to respond on that matter, as it is quite the issue.
I have the 11900H ES. With a light breeze and the new version VRM heatsink you can get 75 at the base of the heatsink using 85W tdp. The real problem in my opinion that the whole system with a m.2 ssd and only integrated vga eats up 210W from the wall at 85W tdp. I tried 45W and still 125W from the wall. Thats a lot.
If you don't push it then why would you get it considering that you have better performance desktop combos from reputed brands?
@@josepedrocarmo5885 when your talking 12 gen intel.... whats 6 core chip isnt 200 already?
Is it bad if you add some small cooler to the vrms?
You can get a b550 motherboard for 100$, or a b450 for even less, and ryzen 5500 costs less than 100$ brand new. So instead of buying something fishy, it's better to just get something from the store or something used that you can check.
^ This, and the motherboards are absolutely stable, they've been so since Ryzen 1, and Asus still offered Bios updates even up to Zen 3 / Ryzen 5000 series. You can overclock and undervolt. Just the best motherboards ever.
Agreed - sacrificing warranty especially for a dodgy product is never a good idea. If on a budget would rather sacrifice some performance for peace of mind. After all a dead PC is just a paperweight.
Intel CPUs fishy? That'll be a first!
A B450 and ryzen 5500 is a great cheap combo, shame it doesn't have integrated graphics. You would have to factor in buying a discreet GPU or Ryzen 5700G series APUs for comparable results.
@@Solrak8O You can get a 5600g instead of the 5500 if you need integrated graphics. But if someone is planning on playing games he will buy a discreet gpu anyway. Either way this Aliexpress combo is the worst thing you can spend your money on.
Appreciate the honest review. I expected the VRM to be bad, but not this bad. Any change by using a downdraft cooler and not a tower cooler? I was thinking about low power home server use, not gaming.
I wouldnt worry about the MOSFETs, they are often run much hotter. Its a mild concern for the capacitors only lasting a couple of years but with any normal airflow there they should be fine
Craft Computing just did a video on making 2 different servers with this combo, a TrueNAS and editing/NAS server.
He is overclocking the system, whoever ensambled that mobo and cpu did it with the 45w tdp design, going beyond the limits would cause that, that is like overclocking an a320 chip or an intel h610 mobo, there is a reason why overclocking mobos for intel cost over 300 usd.
I wish I had gotten the C14S when I was looking for a great downdraft cooler.
I'm on a very similar Maxsun (Meterstone) 11800H Plus right now. I went with this as ErYing was using all ES chips or early chip skews that were not technically recalled but changed to "correct" something. My ambient is 27-28C and I run it at 45W. The Maxsun VRM temps might not be much better but I've had no issues after 2 months of use, gaming and watching TH-cam. Mine has a decent BIOS but no website support from Maxsun. The standard Maxsun quirk of having to load optimized defaults once to get Windows11 to see the TMP was required.
Not sure why this link is so hard to find on there site. This should be your board; I used these drivers for my Erying too.
@@akivapilotque drivers vc utilizou da metstone?
I wonder if things would improve by attaching some small fans to those heatsinks, probably not much
Adding biggest heatsinks even without fans would help a lot. I suspect that they used low quality MOSFETs or too low amount of them. Another thing is that this motherboard could have some kind of failure.
They probably expect that people will use something like box intel cooler, that would give VRMs enough air to stay...well, not cool but at least alive. Bad engineering but with "correct" cooler everyone who already bought it can at least use it for few years.
@@gorky_vk I feel like something like the nh-c14s could be an in between for the two types of coolers, but that particular one is pretty expensive.
@@ArtisChronicles L12 would be the better choice if you had to go with one of those..... you know thats like the most ridiculous usecase for a c14s on a 45w laptop cpu that can pull close to 100w.
or just buy a thermalright axp90 on anysize thats currently selling for like 15-25 bucks
did you check the heatsinks for thermal paste ?
So whats the vrm rated for in terms of heat? I find it hard to beleive a vrm component is rated for less than 100 degrees.
:( Craft Computing spoke so highly of this combo. It looked so good.
Noted I think he ran it at like 45 Watts.
Yeah the CPU is great, just the VRM is a total disaster, the 45 W results says it all... that much heat leakage at such low wattage indicates a horrendously bad design.
He also bought the better VRM heatsink, so if you really need to look at this as a $220 combo.
@@techyescity Thanks for taking the bullet for us.
Craft Computing ran his ~80 watts. Idk if he ever figured out how to run it at 80 watts constantly, but in one of his videos he said it would turbo to 80W for 90 seconds, then drop to 45W for 30 seconds, then turbo up to 80W again.
edit: I do think CC eventually figured out how to get it to turbo 100% of the time.
110C isnt gonna hurt power mosfets
Hi Bryan, could you tell us how did you manage to unlock the CPU to let it boost to all core 4.4 GHz , I assume it is the non ES variant?
I have the 11850H variant and can't get past the default all core 4.3 GHz for the life of me.
12:50 I used R5 2600 4000Mhz + Aorus B450 Elite and I had no problems, and now I use R5 5600X 4650MHz + Aorus B450 Pro and everything also works perfectly, the temperatures are excellent, they range from about 30C idle to about 65C max in gaming or full working.
Why no BGA to LGA like with LGA1151 CPU's?
Tiger Lake is fundamentally different from Rocket Lake; you might need a custom mobo BIOS to run them in standard boards so it's probably not worth it to adapt to LGA
AFAIK, Tiger Lake requires a VCCIN rail for it's FIVR which AFAIK, LGA 1200 lacks. That's also not taking into account Intel ME incompatibilities.
Never seen a VRM that didnt heat up unreasonably when there is no air flow removing heat from it. Perhaps you did put a fan on it but its not terribly clear in the video. I use a 11600H version, with non-upgraded VRM, that is in a old server 4U case and have no issues with this level of heat. Tested under heavy load for several hours and never peaked more than 81degC. The VRM heat might be an issue if its being deployed in a low air flow (Alienware, lol) or small form case where air flow is more restricted.
On the other hand, I kinda understand that they've saved few cents with the VRM, as this would be an awesome motherboard+CPU combo with its price.
Sounds like a normal gaming laptop situation
Hmm... are the problems bad enough that the design would be unreliable even if I were to put Noctua fans directly on the VRMs? If I'm understanding correctly, this seems a lot like the early Xbox 360 RROD issue where you could fix the problem pre-emptively by slapping active cooling on the CPU and some other parts of the motherboard so that things didn't melt under load... but you had to do it before the console failed, because after meant you were too late and it was bricked. Like, can those components never handle this amount of power, period, or can they just not handle it without active cooling? And if that isn't a solution, is this baked into the circuit layout, or is there something simple you could do if you were desperate, like swapping out the caps (or other components) they used for ones with a higher rating, etc?
you can find an upgrade on the board vrm from the exact same seller. just skim thru their listing. you cant missed it since erying only have 1 vrm add-on atm.
its a solid choice if you planning to upgrade the vrm heatsink in few month down the line.
ERYING has fixed the issues, also they have a new GUI BIOS as well. They are good.
is there's any thing suggestion from aliexpress for a custom NAS, i need like 4-5 SATA and low power parts?
There is a new mITX version of the 12th gen board with a different power delivery setup. I'm not going to say better, even though it's a safe bet because it would be hard to make it worse by the sounds of it, but having not touched it, "different" is as far as I'm willing to go.
I have their 12900H MATX board with the upgraded VRM heatsinks, and I'm happy to report at stock settings with 32GB Silicon Power 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM, an ID-Cooling IS55(5 heatpipes) low profile downdraft cooler using Arctic Silver 5 paste in a Thermaltake Core V21 case(200mm front fan/140mm rear fan on a fan splitter as mobo only has one case fan header), I'm seeing in the 30 C range for daily usage(most of the cores in mid - upper the 20's), and only a couple of 50C - 75C spikes being reported by Psenor temp monitor on Manjaro GNOME Linux. My only gripes with the board has been the somewhat basic oldschool Bios, and the PCI-e 8x (runs about the same as PCI-e 3.0 16x)slot for a GPU which limited my choices somewhat, so I went with an openbox AMD RX6600XT 8GB card, but for $357.59 shipped I can't complain too much.
Also if you have an older board their Aliexpress store has the upgraded VRM heatsinks you can buy, and I think he should reach out to Erying, and see if they will send them too him for testing, and see if he gets a better result.
Mine has the updated VRM heatsinks and vapor chamber. Never even hits 80C with thermalright Assassin cooler on it
I had considered this briefly. But decided too consider somthing more up to date. One of the commenters on the original Craft Computing video that was posted shortly after I saw this TYC installment morning at about 8 am CST left some negative feedback regarding your cleaning choices and some name calling. I don't know what that guy had against you but his negativity really turned me off. I have long considered your content very competantly done and top notch! Sorry I can't remember his moniker. It wasn't long and it's midnight and haven't gotten around to posting today.
Ah would like to see the comment lol, I'm quite used to it. People would rather drop names etc. Than argue facts, It's fine. As long as I save someone on a budget avoiding this garbage, then this video served its purpose.
@@techyescity Have found it on his 1st reveiw of the board reveiw you did. Mijc Osis left the comment I reported on. It is about the 3rd newest post on Craft's 1st posting on the 11900h mobo. While I did check on the mosfet vrm's at 175 C max i concur that longevity is questionable in long run.
I hope I posted a reply in right place...
On original Craft 11900h mobo its 3rd down from Mijc Osis
@@craigmarshall4829 Thanks! lol yeah that guy has something personal against me... it's all good!
I wish you could revisit Erying again, because it's just interesting to see what guys like these can come up with
I have a faulty Asus Rampaga gene 3, have 2 working cpu-s i7 970 and xeon x5690 with 24 Gb ddr-3 1600mhz (dominator). Do you have any suggestion for a new motherboard or should i just throw everything in to bin? I wanted to build me a server.
Can you change the VRM components to make it better?
You should try to run it on stock without tweaking anything could show us, what an average user can expect from this combo.
I was actually very close to ordering the combo with the i7 12700H, you’re a life saver Bryan! These VRM numbers are actually worse than the first gen Huanan X79 boards from back in 2018, it’s incredible😂
They might even have been meaningful if he had looked up what kind of MOSFET they used and it turned out to have an incredibly low heat tolerance fro power silicon
Craft Computing and others prove this is a great setup thats superfast and crazy power efficient It was ridiculous that he put on a hundred watts in this laptop processor and then said that it ran hot😂
I picked up one of the 11980H engineering sample variants, and the first thing I noticed was even at idle how hot the VRM heatsink was. I knew it was garbage, but this video was great to show to what degree of garbage it is. Erying needs to spend $5 more in VRM components :P With not a lot of information, I needed to find out, and the system does run very well for everything I've tested it on. I wonder if there are compatible VRM parts that can be swapped in. If these are gutter tier chips, I wonder if higher rated parts in the same series might be possible with a little hot air.
this is exactly what i was thinking....
just throwing things on the wall did you use low-power ram or normal ones?
Can I remove the cpu proseccer from this motherboard? Then put it on another motherboard
Did you try just sticking a block of aluminium or a couple of alieexpress cheap heatsinks? 200 usd seems a bit rich to not include VRM heatsinks but this seems like a manageable issue to me.
what about b550 terminator maxsun??? or b660 or z690 from maxsun???? (challenger or terminator)
My Erying i7 ES 2.2 GHz board suddenly will not post after 11 months of ownership. It was only used for gaming and productivity with the stock bios, stock clock speeds, etc. I have tried all troubleshooting steps and Erying refuses to honor their stated warranty on this motherboard. Buyer beware!
What if you install a 40mm fan on the VRM ? Cheap solution and should solve the problem.
This video has a bit missing and I'd like to add context, especially since I've been using the 11980hk ES version of this board in my main system for a month now
Erying has the improved heatsinks that bring down temps considerably, with a 15c difference at 120w from my testing
this VRM is pretty garbage but the improved heatsinks and airflow from a 80mm fan allow 160w without issue
30c case temp (AIO is pulling from top of case) under load VRM doesn't get above 90c (75c on sensor +15 for hotspot)
I have my CPU running at 4.9/4.8 for two best cores and 4.7 for the rest on a 360mm aio (LM used under heatspreader). Memory is at 3400 cl14 with tuned subs.
I'd be more than happy to send in test data to Brian if he's curious, but these boards do have potential, just be aware of what you're buying into
Edit: this is also this company's first foray into these motherboards so they paired it with a base spec compliant VRM. Their newer ITX boards feature infinitely better VRM capabilities.
So they actually sell the vrm heatsinks seperately, which sucks, but they are available.
They immediately foxed the bios on their next gen models. Can we get a review of those???! Nobodys gone after the newer itx models yet.
I mean, you can just add a heatsink or fan, right?
im haveing issues with temps , ive moniterd my temps on a stress test and while gameing and im getting high 60,s on my 13600k with a artic 240 cooler but when i check my max temps every now and then its say it hit 90 ish and im confused ! stress test temps are 60.s so how os this happening ?
do anotehr one , they changed vrm coolers
Would a downdraft CPU cooler perform better on this mobo?
i wonder if you put better heatsinks on the vrm would it run better
i use a similar board in my main system, not a single one of your issues i had other than high cpu temp, which for me ks caused by my faulty AIO. that is caused by your cooler using heat pipes, water cooling is ideal for this setup. i like it very much and recommend it. i got a max cbr23 score of just under 16k. i got it for 250$ a year ago. it is an amazing value, and nothing near the price range can even come close. it has a very similar cinebench score to the ryzen 7 5800x. the board and cpu alone cost less than a similar performing cpu. you have not done enough testing.
Indeed. Kraft Computing gave props to this solution. The VRM temperature problem can be easily resolved by applying VRM heatsinks.
@@ABRetroCollections didn't know there was a craft computing video, but I have thousands of hours of experience on my board, and none of these issues I've faced.
Like i said, i was running a 12900hk by months and just with a 1.90$ nvme heatsink on the vrms and an aio i have really but really good temps.
Even in OC (5.1 ghz) my vrms never get over 88° with 115w powerdraw.
The guy in the video benched the mobo on the desk without case airflow so.. in that case vrm temps are gonna be high also on 700$ motherboard!
8 months running with a 3070 and good air flow case i love it
Will it help if I blow air into the vrms?
Since you have this already, I'd be interested in seeing this with a traditional top mount cpu cooler such as a Cooler Master A71C! Awesome video and testing btw.
Wait 75W shouldn't the CPU be limited to 45-55W max?
It can be unlocked via bios tweaks and tricking the cpu.
Couldn’t you just put a bunch of fans in the case that help with temps of the vrms?
try adding your own cooling? heatsincs are cheap, maby thermals can be improved?
Man, its not true.
Im using the version with new heatsink with no issues.
I have a 3070, 6650xt and 4090, no problem in gaming.
Plus, i buy the itx version 12700h, what a MB!!! Love it!
The VRM must be unbelievably inefficient and pulling maybe double the power it delivers to the CPU - which makes it to all intents broken.
It idles at 22W using a 1000W Corsair HX PSU here.
well, there are "improved VRM heatsinks" sold separately for that and similar combos. Also there is no need to overclock the CPU because the only PCI-E (gen4) slot is wired only for x8 lanes, so the optimal GPU for this would be something like RX 6600 or RX 6600M 8Gb in desktop variant for the grand total of a comfortable 1080p gaming and energy efficient system.
Wrong, i got 16 lanes on my 3080ti
running one bare die watercooled with a 240mm rad works fine if u get the better vrm heatsinks and a fan over it
getting 675 cpuz single core
I had the i7-11800H in a laptop and I can attest to it's performance. I always wondered how the 11800H would do with proper cooling and 3600MT/s RAM in XMP. the benchmark scores I got with my 11800H in an Asus M16 laptop were able to rival the R.L. i7-11700 non-k. Tiger Lake is Rocket Lake done right.
It's too bad Erying dropped the ball on this one. They really should use VRM's that can carry a CPU at 110w, while the VRMs hit around 70c... which is more than safe.
Of course they could do that, for 100 euros more. But it would not be that attractive any more.
@ Tech Yes City ; I touched based with Craft Computing since jeff also did some coverage on Erying, and he was okay with what he tested. I'm wornding if the combo is okay at stock settings and not overclocked. If using a down draft air cooling solution.
I have the 12th gen I7-12700h and it's an absolute trainwreck of a board. Only powers up when it feels like it. Press power button, "may or may not" enter POST. Different memory (including their "sure to run at 3200mhz" - which it doesn't by the way), different PSU's, in/out of the enclosure (tested on their behalf), with/without PCIe GFX card .... doesn't help at all. Board can run ok one day, next day doesn't even power up and either goes into an infinite reset loop prior to showing any output on the video ports, or the PSU cuts out on the board after 2 seconds. (5 different brands of PSU's, all doing the same thing, PSU's tested on different boards : they are perfectly ok)
Bios very unstable (changing the default settings from "num ock off" to "numlock on" is already enough to crash it on the next boot. Bios can't be flashed without external flasher programmer due to "issues with the bios circuit on the I7-12700h MATX boards" according to them and they offer _NO_ help in that regard. Completely uninterested in offering a solution : according to them "when the board starts, there's no problem". The fact it only boots like 1 out of 2 times doesn't bother them at all.
My advise : if you have one of these and it works, good for you ! I'm happy for you. If not, and you're contemplating on buying one of these ? Don't. Don't walk away. Just run. Useless company, their products are pure luck-of-the draw in terms of functioning, and they offer ZERO technical support when you get into trouble.
Erying made my old Huananzhi board look like a high end brand.
Maybe they tested this with downblowing stock coolers?
I've one of these arriving to pair with an i3 12000F, with noctua 140mm downblowing cooler and 200mm front fan in core v1 case. If still too hot, top off, another v1 case with no top inverted on top, second 200mm fan. If still too hot, 180mm silverstone beast of a fan for extraction duty, external.
I have one of these and I used a low profile cooler witch blows fresh air direct to VRM also I replaced thermal paste with liquid metal. Now all temps ok and no worries.
In their defense because I bought the i7 and i9 boards. I also bought the upgraded VRM heat syncs because I heard about how skimped the VRMs were. So far so good. But then again i haven't even went in yet for overclocking on the CPU.
Can't vrms do 125c easily?
So the vrms cooling are trash and not the vrms themselfes? If you're not overclocking that is.
Nice Review Bryan.
Take the Good with the bad.
👍
I was gonna buy these combo but shipping from aliexpress says that shipping to Philippines costs 155usd🥲
Quad channel 2400MT/s memory doesn't beat dual channel 3200MT/s by a meaningful performance delta real-world, especially in anything with any sensitivity to memory latency.
And any power MOSFET built in the last decade is going to have at least a 125⁰C rated Tjunction. More often 138⁰C, and sometimes 150⁰C. Especially when not relying on convective currents off the heatsink, instead using dynamic airflow.
I bought one a few weeks ago, updated the Bios to the feb 2023 and been using it as a daily driver. It's been fine, although I don't have a GPU just using the iGPU, and dual HDMI. I was using a Lenovo E30 (from a decade ago!) prior to this, and got to say I've been happy. I'll have to add another fan since I'll be worrying about it, but the biggest issue Ive had is that Hyper-V doesn't work.
Did you try the on board display port? I'm not able to get it working.
@@NeTSkaTe22 it worked for me out of the box, I have 2 displays attached... although my monitors are old and used to its HDMI - DVI cables.
AVX512 tho
I think that these might be perfect for some RPCS3 boxes. I have a blower-style server CPU cooler, with one of those and a low-profile GPU like a Quadro T1000, it might be able to male for a kickass PS3 replacement.
Other than that though...
Looks like new models have a much larger heatsink. They will also sell you the new heatsink for the cost of shipping.
Interesting. Craft Computing (the beer guy) reviewed one of these Erying 11th gen motherboards (an i9 variant) and liked it - very good performance and good temps, although I don't think I saw any VRM temps. Maybe you just got a crappy one. The QC of these Chinese manufacturers is all over the place since they contract out the assembly in batches. Maybe contact Craft Computing and compare notes.
A down blowing stock cooler would probably work better.
That's what I was thinking.
Do you have a link for one of those coolers?
I was going to try and get one of these for my linux server to try and bring the power usage down. I think I'm going to look into getting a T variant for a skylake board I have instead. ☹
And is not worth to change the VRM for something better? is just matter of a little of soldering...
Running the 11th gen 8c16t ES max boost 5ghz with updated vrm cooling for exactily a year now: unraid 24/7, watching a movie: cpu =30degrees c, vrm's 45-50c. Erying has gotten ridiculously expensive since, But just to show, better get your info from GN or craft computing, this review was BS all the way, for the enthusiast a nice board.
stupid question - technically... would it be smart to put lets say... 2x40mm fans over those vrm's? even at full speed
This is what I am thinking too
I picked up the 11900ES version, I had to set the ram up manually as XMP didnt seem to like my Kingston Fury Beasts 3200 but no issues after I did that, VRM does get too hot for my liking under test loads such as cinebench while using the integrated GPU on my test bench but mine seems to cool down after a few mins after the test completed, am toying with the idea of replacing the VRM mosfets for superior but compatible ones with a lower internal resistance or watercooling them as I have some VRM block kicking around in a drawer if I can machine them to fit.. - I am using an old Phobya uc-2 waterblock/ EK D5 combo pump/reservoir and a 360 radiator and the max cpu temp I am seeing under load is 60c @4.7ghz running cinebench all cores without any undervolting yet... this is not a board for an install and forget but for someone who tinkers its interesting...
I bought an erying "i9" (cpu 0000) mobo.
In aida64 it has under temperature's aux. This appears to be the VRM's.
It isn't the best, i think it is good value.
Cpu uses 4 to 10 watts in windows idle
id be interested to see, if you just went watercooled (not practical ik just a thought i had that i found interesting) and added some of those little vrm/north/southbridge cooling block from when water cooling those components were actually a more common thing, if it would actually perform very very well. i do acknowledge even a cheap watercooling setup for this would be as much as the package but would still be interesting...
I have no idea and not to encourage a purchase and regretting it but maybe the cpu vrm can handle those temps I dunno for sure coz I dont have the make/model numbers and related spec sheets
I have been looking at these boards for a few weeks now and I kept thinking the VRM looked weak, glad I didn’t order one now!
Where did you get that t-shirt? I gotta have one!
4:20 I'd quite like that if I might say so myself , now you've finished your tests and review I'd love to see you test this to destruction and burn the VRM out - I bet a board like that doesn't have any protections :)
I recieved one with i9 10900h. and it's running beautifuly in ASUS AP201 mATX case. No such trash tempertature at all. in open test, there might be possibility VRMs not getting any airflow.
Very happy with purchase. It's summer in India and evn with NO AC, it's perfectly fine. Also, I was completely aware before purchasing that temps can be dodgy as mentioned in video but i haven't seen any issue with this motherboard yet.
Running ram at rated speed at 3200Mhz.
Bro i'm from India too and interested in buying this. Can you tell me how much custom duties paid and how I can reduce them as much as possible?
Perhaps they intended you to not open up the power from 45W..
Next step.. can you cool it enough?
How about a down fan cooler with fins on the VRM?
With a top-down cooler it would be a different video. This VRM heatsink is too small, I agree, but many people wrote that there is an upgraded revision with beefier heatsink.
VRMs usually have the operating temperature up to 115C, but with shortest lifespan at this temp. Going to around 80C with beefier heatsink under load would be optimal.
Could you try putting a bigger heatsink and a tiny fan on the vrm for cheap and get this thing to run cooler at 100w or more? Maybe with a little diy it could be a good value.
The problem isn't specifically the heatsinks but rather the power delivery is just too underspecced or inefficient. Adding a massive heatsink (or even water-cooling) wouldn't stop the root problem which is that heat being produced in the first place even at 45w
@@spusuf Sure they are not efficient (or at least there is not enough of them to be in their efficiency zone) but 100c or more is typically within the upper boundary of spec for power components. The heatsink also looks to be pretty undersized, I think the issue is marginal enough it could be fixed with an overkill cooling setup. I am willing to bet even with only 4 stages that vrm is not nearing its amp limit.
The main hint of a problem is the price -- $200. It's like they're giving the motherboard away free..
you just dont know how happy i get when i see that you uploaded another budget review !!!! Thank you
they have a vrm heatsink for sale
*shows the most configurable bios I've seen in over a decade*
"This bios is bad!"
try to get a cooler that blows down?