Funny thing is, the Excelsior-class was seen so frequently in TNG because it was deemed easier (and cheaper) to use the existing studio model than to build a newer 'guest ship' that would later become the Ambassador-class (which itself was oddly rarely seen after its introduction in "Yesterday's Enterprise"...)
To be fair, the Ambassador class model came up for auction recently, and in all honesty it was pretty ropey.; the "aztecing" was done with stuck on bits of paper. Perfect for really low-light NTSC, but a long way from the quality of the Excelsior model.
Even when only given small bits to work with George Takei was always brilliant as Sulu but his tour de force performance was ST 6 when Captain Sulu becomes Captain Kirk's equal both in canon and screen presence best exemplified by the "Fly her apart then!" Scene
@@jasonmote8859NX 01 doesn't count because it's pre-Federation, plus the dedication plaque (which I've seen online) says: "U.S.S. Enterprise: NCC-1701-B: Third starship to bear the name. Also, I meant 3rd ship to bear the name and registration number.
@@jamesspring4610 I think it's a debatable point. The NX was a starship, which was still in operation when the Federation was founded. It bears the Enterprise name and is shown in the ships of the line; in Picard's Ready room. Registry numbers change (rarely) but has happened. Enterprise 1701-B would be the fourth Starship Enterprise. I take your point on the Federation, but think it not as important as it was one of two ships in the fleet before the Federation, yet it still is a Starship.
@@jasonmote8859 If you (not you, specifically, rather "you" in the general sense, but I digress) want to get really anal about it, you could say that the NX-01 was simply "Enterprise" not "U.S.S. Enterprise" nor was the NX-01 part of the NCC-1701 lineage. The argument could also be made that in the original timeline, what was the NX-01 was not called "Enterprise" and that it wasn't until the crew travelled back in time during "First Contact" and Troi told Cochrane "That's our ship, the Enterprise" that the name held significance during that era.
That's the one I tend to default to, yes. With NX as Naval Experimental, NSP as Naval Special Purpose, maybe, or support/passenger, and NAR as Naval reserve. I made up NCP too, for perimetre/patrol.
That isn't really a retcon. It was in many of the published books, "blueprints" (deck plans), and other collectibles in the 1970s. I own a few of them, which would be a truly weird flex on most YT channels...
Whoopsie! I read below that it was coined by the artist who compiled the blueprint collectible and approved by GR himself, so technically it WAS a retcon, just a very early one. The more you know...
Another secret is the helm / navigation positions are switched. In the original position the helm was on the left the nav was on the right. Excelsior Class has it the other way around. NCC means Naval Construction Contract.
Boys: BEYONCE IS THE QUEEN OF SPACE!!! Men: The Excelsior is the true queen you uncultured swine Chads: It is obviously Uhura though one of you is more correct that the other *Looks at boy with disgust.
A little addition to #4 All of the Excelsior class ships seen in TNG are the NX version of the ship. This is due to the series having started before ST6 was made and the studio model was modified into the NCC version.
Actually, NCC thing was, a combination of the call letters "N" for civilian US aircraft, and "CC" for Soviet civil aircraft, according to Jefferies, who was a private pilot. It was explicitly *not* a military designation. The "Naval Construction Contract" was something Franz Joesph came up with when he did the Enterprise blueprints.
@@johndeltuvia7892 and both are true. Jeffries did combine civilian code letters, and it worked fine. Then, at a later time, details needed to be fleshed out, and those letters became acronyms.
That certainly fit in with the notion of Starfleet being an exploratory organization and not a military one. Also suited the times: a subtle message to American’s and Russian’s that, someday, they can become allies.
That makes sense! Because let's face it, the original Excelsior bridge was nothing to write home about. I would love to see pictures of the set that burned down.
I would LOVE to see a video about the Klingon Birds-of-Prey. Especially the HMS Bounty (aka the ship with the whales) and the IKS Rotarran (Martok’s flagship during the Dominion War). Those two are essentially Hero Ships, and I’d love to know more about those and more of the classic green, winged workhorses of the Klingon Empire.
I love the design of the Excelsior and certainly my favourite starfleet ship design from the old days. For me the Enterprise always looked too fragile. The Excelsior looks more sturdy since it's a bulkier ship.
There was a theory on wikipedia once, that the first drawing of the "Enterprise" ever was _meant_ to show a spherical main body with several engines attached, but only two shown on the cross section. The model-builder took it as a disk seen from above, with only two engines attached to the reactor core via rather fragile struts. The rest is history.
You could imply that Scotty set trans-warp technology back. That the Excelsior was *always* capable of trans-warp speed but nobody spotted the parts Scotty removed and handed to Kirk after the experiment "failed". 🤣
07:00 Meh, they're referencing the dreaded Technical Manual. That thing had a line in its 1st edition (self-destruct systems) where they implied that 10^9 joules were half as much as 10^18 joules. There is some nice info in there, but quality-wise it's like written by someone who dropped out of fish school.
Also, the novel descriptions are a little bit off: Sulu takes command from Styles in the novel Excelsior: Forged in Fire, which is pre Lost Era. The ship is in The Lost Era: Sundered, and also One Constant Star, where her fate in an anomaly (NOT related to the Albino) is revealed. Also appears in the novels War Dragons, The Captain's Daughter, The Fearful Summons, and Cast No Shadow.
In my personal head cannon - he died on the bridge, but was resuscitated in sickbay, the virus transferred to Tuvok and he recovered for the end shot on ST:VI - (again in my head)
That’s how I viewed it in my head canon also. Valtane’s injury was severe enough to convince the virus to move on to Tuvok but Valtane was revived and treated for his injuries in sickbay after the incident. Also, I think Sulu’s log entry that Janeway was reading later would be less mundane (hard to cover up a crew fatality).
@@ScramJett it’s a shame - they didn’t have to say he died - all they needed to do is add one of two things: 1) See a medical team reach him on the bridge (30secs or 1 min of them attending him tops) - or 2) Tuvok mentioning that he recovered from his injuries - OR watch the film and pick a character that isn’t in the final scene of the film?!?
the common definitions of "NCC", "NX", "NAR" etc aren't strictly canon. as the video states, the "NCC" came from Jefferies' own plane which had the prefix "NC" and just added another C to it for whatever reason
Since Tuvok was retconned into ST6, would it then be safe to assume that the unnamed Lt in STG aboard the Enterprise B is also him? Chronologically it fits.
My head canon when concerning Valtane is what Miracle Max from the Princess Bride referred to as mostly dead. He was dead enough for the virus to pass to Tuvok just like how the virus was migrating to Janeway when Tuvok was dying.
USS Alka-Seltzer aka USS Alka-Selsior: I'm old and I didn't get it, and I asked my mom, who is older, and she didn't get it, and I asked my grandmother, and she wanted to know why you thought it was funny. What does the shape/appearance of that mock-up have to do with a bubbly digestive aid?
If the Excelsior Class was designed by the Japanese, it would have both a wave motion gun and SDF-1 style transformation. Oh yes, along with a secret Maid Cafe on the lower decks. :P As for the Dolphin Series... Hydran Starships!
If the Excelsior was made to look like it was designed by the French, it would be goddamn ugly as sin (check out French pre-WW2 bombers) and have a "Drop Weapons" function fitted.
@@CZ350tuner If the Italians designed one it would probably look more like the Enterprise-E. Sleek and streamlined with no unnecessary weight. DS9's Defiant was probably German designed, tho.
@@CZ350tuner have you ever seen the b-18 Bolo? Not exactly a looker either... A better example would be French pre-dreadnought battleships. The designers kept tweaking the designs to the point that even ships in the same class looked different.
Well, technically it *did* have a wave motion gun. It's the deflector dish and was used in Generations to disrupt that massive energy ribbon dubbed the "Nexus" so they could break free. :)
I had heard many years ago that the "Transwarp Drive" that was on the Excelsior wasn't traswarp similar to what the Borg use, but was a new method if warp drive engagement able to jump immediately to any warp factor without having to speed up through the previous warp factors before it. In other words, Starfleet ships, if they wanted to go warp seven, would have to go to warp, and speed up until they hit warp 7, where the Excelsior could instantly go from impulse directly to warp 7 completely skipping the step of having to "speed up". It's my understanding that modern Starfleet ships can indeed do this to a point, which I understand as being their "normal operating" speed, so for example, the Enterprise D has a standard operating speed of warp 6, so they could go from a standstill to warp six, but if they wanted to go faster, they would have to speed up from warp 6 to say warp 8, and of course, the closer to maximum they get, the longer it takes to get those few extra decimal places. If anyone knows anything different, or can contribute further, by all means, this is just an amalgamation of what I've heard over the years, I could be completely off base, but it's my current understanding of the way things worked and work.
I was looking for a comment like this. I don't remember where I got the information from, but I remember reading that the events of Star Trek III halted development of the 'transwarp drive'. But by the time of Next Generation, they had continued it, and began incorporating it into newer ships. And the defining feature of it was the ability to go directly from sub-light speed, to any achievable warp velocity. It also necessitated a 're-classifying' of what the speeds for warp were. Warp 2 in the original series is not the same as warp 2 in The Next Generation. It's the main 'in continuity' reason why ships aren't supposed to go past 'warp 10'. Because that's basically 'off the scale'. Maybe check some of the star trek wiki pages. Some of them offer insight and sources I'd never think of or have access to. and I think the Borg use 'Transwarp conduits' to travel, which I think is like a technobabble wording for wormhole' that sounds new and 'techie'.
We'll probably never know. The writers could never agree on it, specifically. Starfleet Dynamics book implied Transwarp was a 5 x multiple of warp factors, rather than 3 x, for speed, etc. So Warp 3 is 27 x lightspeed, but transwarp 3 = 243 x lightspeed, etc. Or, it's all done by wormholes/interphase, etc.
@@freakctc From what they show of Borg transwarp conduits, it really looks like the wormhole from DS9. And the word "transwarp" could be Star Fleets way of saying "faster then current speed/methods".
All we can be certain about transwarp is that all the time spent on research and development, all the expense of labor and materials, the careers and reputations of all the scientists and engineers who worked diligently and with tremendous effort to bring the project to reality was all wasted--yes, WASTED--and that Captain Styles and the crew of the Excelsior were humiliated, apparently beyond redemption, because Scotty didn't like it.
The design Nimoy chose makes sense. It looks like the Enterprise, but everything amped up. That's like putting a skinny short guy next to a tall muscular guy. They are both comparable as guys, but one is just suped up. If the design of Excelsior were too far away from the constitution refit, the comparison wouldn't be there.
Maybe there's info we're not privy to, but it's a bit odd that Sulu spent like 30 years as a helmsman and then was given command of the newest, biggest ship in the fleet. I mean, Chekhov was at least first officer of the Reliant.
Nice to hear something I didn't know after so many years. The Japanese design influence. I can't recall if it was intentional or not, but the Excelsior bridge in TSS, was a clear influence on one of the concepts for TOS's Enterprise bridge. Where it was conceptualized to be a full wrap around display that was fully interactive and information was to be displayed based on need. And there's a concept image of this. Now TSS's Excelsior bridge very much has that feel. Completely black, with no interruption with bulkheads or whatever. It very much seems to have been at the very least, a nice homage to that original concept, and very much made sense to me. While very 80's in display, the idea of it is one of my fav designs, that I'd love to have seen with some more refinement (money).
I'd love to see more for alien ships, like the Klingons and Romulans have tons of different ones that are super iconic, I feel like there's gotta be some juicy tidbits in there
Aside from Hero ships I think the reliant a Villian ship deserves its time in the spotlight given the Miranda Class model was used as 3 different variants of starship along with being used from the TOS era (name is actually seen on a board in a TOS episode) to well into the dominion war a class of starship that was in work over 100 years
I wasn't paying attention and just heard 'Proto Vulcan' as if it was an insult and I thought "Did he just call someone the Vulcan equivalent of Neanderthal?"
The Constitution Refit, Miranda, Excelsior, and Ambassador classes are the best looking ships in the franchise. Everything else are just second string bench warmers
08:27 - I could have sworn you were going to say Frank Welker (Freddy Jones, Scooby Doo, Megatron, Nibbler, plus eleventy billion other voices), because I had no idea he ever voiced Spock.
actually the NCC came about in tos as a sort of nod to say the soviets and american powers would meld together, sort of. NC are the american letters, Naval/Commercial, and CC, which was on soviet ships, thus, NCC. another not to how humanity would overcome their differences to form a united civilization.
@@CaptainTJMiller1701 I think you mean "Fair" point. Being technical here. :D I'm just givin' ya a hard time, man. That actually is a valid argument about the 1701 registry. Well played, sir, well played.
Very much enjoying this - thank you. The "NCC" concept was explained in "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield that Roddenberry's intention was that it stood for "Naval Construction Contract," and the NX, debuted in STIII:TSFS, stood for "Naval Experimental."
both are incorrect actually the N was the added letter. CC is based on the USNavy hull classification for Command Cruiser. In this, the Reliant (as a light cruiser) should have been NCL-1864, and the Excelsior as a larger cruiser, battleship, or carrier could have been NCL-2000, NBB-2000, or NCV-2000 (my favorite)
Haha yeah I’d love to seen an in-universe explanation behind the version of it that (sort of) appeared in Discovery with the bizarre mini nacelles on the bent nacelle pylons
Another guy in Robocop with Miguel Ferrer who was in the old Star Trek movie Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country was Kurtwood Smith, he played the President of the Federation.
The Excelsior class was a great design. Almost too good, they built so many of them replacing them all was a massive undertaking. So it seems they just didn't bother, they paid for that in the Dominion war!
In the books, and I think a couple o the DS9 episodes, Starfleet pulled a lot of the Excelsior class out of mothballs and sent them back into service during the Dominion war. They were the most mass produced ship in Starfleet history
The USS Lakota had weapons and armor apparently capable to defeating the Defiant in DS9. She certainly gave the Defiant a run for her money. Not sure how well the Lakota would have fared against the Defiant in that episode (thankfully the confrontation is resolved ultimately peacefully) with Worf in command.
I remember when the Excelsior was introduced and the original plan after the 3rd and 4th movies was for it to be the new vessel for Kirk and company. 🖖
At the end of Star Trek 4 when we are given a glimpse of the newly commissioned USS Enterprise-A, I always thought it was a shame that she was a Constitution Class Refit instead of an Excelsior Class.
I heard that they thought about doing that but didn't I'm glad they didn't I like the Enterprise refit better & if they did imagine two Excelsior class ships in Star Trek 6 the Enterprise A & the Excelsior audiences would not been able to tell them apart 🤷🏾♂️
Leonard Nimoy did voice Galvatron in Transformers the movie and Sentinel Prime in Transformers Dark of the Moon which that movie made three star trek reference, mostly about Spock. Also Leonard Nimoy was married to Michael Bay's cousin Susan Bay. She appeared in two episode of Deep Space Nine as an Admiral.
Frank Welker has also been, like, 80% of all animal sounds in visual media. Surprising considering his regular speaking voice is almost literally Fred from Scooby Doo.
I'll give you Equinox, but Reliant, or it's crew, didn't go rogue. Reliant was captured by Kahn and his people, after Cptn Tyrell and Checkov were compromised by those sand-lion things.
I wish they did a series with the USS Excelsior and Capt. Sulu. A bit late now unless they cast somebody else as Sulu and that would be hard to pull off. There could be a lot of goings on and drama with the transition to being allies with the Klingons.
エクセルシオール is just "Excelsior" written in katakana(The Japanese script for borrow words). Technically, Ekuserushiōru
Hehe. In german it is: Holzwolle. (=Wood wool.) 🤣🤣🤣
Loved the way they portrayed the Excelsior in Undiscovered Country. It looked big, heavy, and tough.
Funny thing is, the Excelsior-class was seen so frequently in TNG because it was deemed easier (and cheaper) to use the existing studio model than to build a newer 'guest ship' that would later become the Ambassador-class (which itself was oddly rarely seen after its introduction in "Yesterday's Enterprise"...)
To be fair, the Ambassador class model came up for auction recently, and in all honesty it was pretty ropey.; the "aztecing" was done with stuck on bits of paper. Perfect for really low-light NTSC, but a long way from the quality of the Excelsior model.
And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. ST 3
Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant. 🖖😀
@@BPond7 "The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stomp up the drains..."
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A wagon to the Stars
The Excelsior-Class is one the best, if not the best looking ship in Star Trek
I agree. It's one of the few shops that actually LOOKS like it has the mass of a huge starship and not just a movie model.
Its definitely one of my favourite designs.
Agreed, it's so unique
If I could choose a class to serve on/command (if I was fortunate enough to land a command in ST) it’d be the Excelsior.
I agree however for me personally I have it tied with the sovereign and odyssey classes
Even when only given small bits to work with George Takei was always brilliant as Sulu but his tour de force performance was ST 6 when Captain Sulu becomes Captain Kirk's equal both in canon and screen presence best exemplified by the "Fly her apart then!" Scene
The Enterprise-B is the 3rd Federation starship to bear the name, not the second.
4th starship actually. NX-01, 1701, 1701-A, 1701-B
@@jasonmote8859NX 01 doesn't count because it's pre-Federation, plus the dedication plaque (which I've seen online) says: "U.S.S. Enterprise: NCC-1701-B: Third starship to bear the name. Also, I meant 3rd ship to bear the name and registration number.
@@jamesspring4610 I think it's a debatable point. The NX was a starship, which was still in operation when the Federation was founded. It bears the Enterprise name and is shown in the ships of the line; in Picard's Ready room. Registry numbers change (rarely) but has happened. Enterprise 1701-B would be the fourth Starship Enterprise. I take your point on the Federation, but think it not as important as it was one of two ships in the fleet before the Federation, yet it still is a Starship.
@@jasonmote8859 Agreed. It all depends on your point of view.
@@jasonmote8859 If you (not you, specifically, rather "you" in the general sense, but I digress) want to get really anal about it, you could say that the NX-01 was simply "Enterprise" not "U.S.S. Enterprise" nor was the NX-01 part of the NCC-1701 lineage.
The argument could also be made that in the original timeline, what was the NX-01 was not called "Enterprise" and that it wasn't until the crew travelled back in time during "First Contact" and Troi told Cochrane "That's our ship, the Enterprise" that the name held significance during that era.
RETCON: NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract.
Thank you. I was taken aback.
That's the one I tend to default to, yes.
With NX as Naval Experimental, NSP as Naval Special Purpose, maybe, or support/passenger, and NAR as Naval reserve.
I made up NCP too, for perimetre/patrol.
That isn't really a retcon. It was in many of the published books, "blueprints" (deck plans), and other collectibles in the 1970s. I own a few of them, which would be a truly weird flex on most YT channels...
Whoopsie! I read below that it was coined by the artist who compiled the blueprint collectible and approved by GR himself, so technically it WAS a retcon, just a very early one. The more you know...
@@colormedubious4747 also, in the novel First Frontier, too, I think?
"A new queen of space"
Shows Uhura the whole time this is said. I am not against this
Another secret is the helm / navigation positions are switched.
In the original position the helm was on the left the nav was on the right.
Excelsior Class has it the other way around.
NCC means Naval Construction Contract.
Boys: BEYONCE IS THE QUEEN OF SPACE!!!
Men: The Excelsior is the true queen you uncultured swine
Chads: It is obviously Uhura though one of you is more correct that the other *Looks at boy with disgust.
A little addition to #4
All of the Excelsior class ships seen in TNG are the NX version of the ship. This is due to the series having started before ST6 was made and the studio model was modified into the NCC version.
Actually, NCC thing was, a combination of the call letters "N" for civilian US aircraft, and "CC" for Soviet civil aircraft, according to Jefferies, who was a private pilot. It was explicitly *not* a military designation. The "Naval Construction Contract" was something Franz Joesph came up with when he did the Enterprise blueprints.
And the blueprints and tech manual were approved by the Great Bird of the Galaxy, who outranks Jeffries.
@@johndeltuvia7892 and both are true. Jeffries did combine civilian code letters, and it worked fine.
Then, at a later time, details needed to be fleshed out, and those letters became acronyms.
Agreed, I was yelling at my screen when Adam said it was initially a naval designation.
That certainly fit in with the notion of Starfleet being an exploratory organization and not a military one. Also suited the times: a subtle message to American’s and Russian’s that, someday, they can become allies.
CC was also Command Cruiser in the US Navy until 1962
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the studio fire that destroyed the first Excelsior bridge set and led to the rushed diminished version seen in STIII.
That makes sense! Because let's face it, the original Excelsior bridge was nothing to write home about. I would love to see pictures of the set that burned down.
I thought that bridge was a redress of the Enterprise/Reliant bridge. I just know the Excelsior bridge in ST VI was alot better I think.
McCoy - By God that's a big ship.
Scotty - Not so big as her captain I think.
04:11 That scene is begging for some mad-libbing.
Riker: * _cheesy one-liner_ *
_crickets_
Troy: _I'm not getting paid enough for this $%&#_
I would LOVE to see a video about the Klingon Birds-of-Prey. Especially the HMS Bounty (aka the ship with the whales) and the IKS Rotarran (Martok’s flagship during the Dominion War). Those two are essentially Hero Ships, and I’d love to know more about those and more of the classic green, winged workhorses of the Klingon Empire.
I would have loved a spinoff series of Excelsior with Sulu as captain. I think that would have been great. Oh well. Not to be.
It could be set in his later years, after ST:VI to coincide with his current age.
I love hearing him say "Oh my!"
I love the design of the Excelsior and certainly my favourite starfleet ship design from the old days. For me the Enterprise always looked too fragile. The Excelsior looks more sturdy since it's a bulkier ship.
There was a theory on wikipedia once, that the first drawing of the "Enterprise" ever was _meant_ to show a spherical main body with several engines attached, but only two shown on the cross section. The model-builder took it as a disk seen from above, with only two engines attached to the reactor core via rather fragile struts. The rest is history.
Can we get a Miranda-class video, please? I’d love to see all her variations and abilities, especially considering her venerable service length.
I really did misread that as, "...her vulnerable service length." It still fits.
I second this. The Miranda class is one of the oldest in canon as well.
I would like to see a TV series about the Excelsior
Grammar
They almost made one but stupid leaders of the Network at the Time scrapped the idea , it was going to star Sulu
@@Jesus_Offical good thing I changed it
@@IvanGarcia-xy7bf I would love to see a sires like that
You could imply that Scotty set trans-warp technology back. That the Excelsior was *always* capable of trans-warp speed but nobody spotted the parts Scotty removed and handed to Kirk after the experiment "failed". 🤣
It never failed. Excelsior’s “Transwarp” just gave us the TNG era Warp Scale.
There's a fan site that likes to pretend Scotty's actions prevented a catastrophe. I like that version.
07:00 Meh, they're referencing the dreaded Technical Manual. That thing had a line in its 1st edition (self-destruct systems) where they implied that 10^9 joules were half as much as 10^18 joules. There is some nice info in there, but quality-wise it's like written by someone who dropped out of fish school.
But Sulu became the Captain of the Excelsior so it WAS a Hero Ship in the END
Agreed!!
Agreed 👍
Also, the novel descriptions are a little bit off:
Sulu takes command from Styles in the novel Excelsior: Forged in Fire, which is pre Lost Era.
The ship is in The Lost Era: Sundered, and also One Constant Star, where her fate in an anomaly (NOT related to the Albino) is revealed.
Also appears in the novels War Dragons, The Captain's Daughter, The Fearful Summons, and Cast No Shadow.
Nobody says "Excelsior" nearly as well as George Takei.
It was indeed especially as it helped ncc1701 in undiscovered Country
"How can you have a yellow alert in spacedock?!?" ~ Captain Styles, 'Star Trek III The Search for Spock'.
“Sir, someone is stealing the Enterprise!”
@@ClergetMusic "...Kirk, you do this, you'll never sit in the captain's chair again!".
Me: *SNORTS*
It's a full-scale, detailed, fully lit ship. It's a hero ship. Not ship of the week.
I remember reading DC Comics’ Star Trek around 1985 where Kirk and crew were assigned the Excelsior.
In my personal head cannon - he died on the bridge, but was resuscitated in sickbay, the virus transferred to Tuvok and he recovered for the end shot on ST:VI - (again in my head)
That’s how I viewed it in my head canon also. Valtane’s injury was severe enough to convince the virus to move on to Tuvok but Valtane was revived and treated for his injuries in sickbay after the incident. Also, I think Sulu’s log entry that Janeway was reading later would be less mundane (hard to cover up a crew fatality).
@@ScramJett it’s a shame - they didn’t have to say he died - all they needed to do is add one of two things: 1) See a medical team reach him on the bridge (30secs or 1 min of them attending him tops) - or 2) Tuvok mentioning that he recovered from his injuries - OR watch the film and pick a character that isn’t in the final scene of the film?!?
NCC is the Starfleet abbreviation for "Naval Construction Contract".
For whatever reason I’ve been calling it “Naval Commisioned Craft” in my head this whole time
NCC = "Naval Call Code".
NAR = "Naval Auxiliary Register".
It didn't actually mean anything when Gene came up with it, but many people have assigned some fantastic meanings to it retroactively.
NCC was defined as Naval Construction Contract in Diane Carey’s Star Trek novel Best Destiny, which makes sense as Starfleet is based on the US Navy.
the common definitions of "NCC", "NX", "NAR" etc aren't strictly canon.
as the video states, the "NCC" came from Jefferies' own plane which had the prefix "NC" and just added another C to it for whatever reason
To me the USS Excelsior is the best looking star ship of the series. It's proportions are perfect. It looks to be built like a tank. Best ship!
Built like a tank, true. Too bad that I'm a "tank half empty" guy. ;(
Looks like a bath tub to me
NCC 1701 is the best
I thought it was a cool design, not surprised they ultimately made the Enterprise B Excelsior Class.
Since Tuvok was retconned into ST6, would it then be safe to assume that the unnamed Lt in STG aboard the Enterprise B is also him? Chronologically it fits.
My head canon when concerning Valtane is what Miracle Max from the Princess Bride referred to as mostly dead. He was dead enough for the virus to pass to Tuvok just like how the virus was migrating to Janeway when Tuvok was dying.
The USS Excelsior is one of the most BEAUTIFUL ships in all of Star Trek.
Naw man. The Sovereign Class is the sexiest of them all.
Bleh. Discovery for me. Or the D’deridex.
@@generativeyoutuber Connie refit for me
Absolutely agree with you! 🖖
USS Alka-Seltzer aka USS Alka-Selsior: I'm old and I didn't get it, and I asked my mom, who is older, and she didn't get it, and I asked my grandmother, and she wanted to know why you thought it was funny. What does the shape/appearance of that mock-up have to do with a bubbly digestive aid?
The bridge had also been reused in Generations as the operations room in the Amargosa Observatory which greatly damaged much of the bones of the set.
No. 10 is the Katakana for “Excelsior” I think
Ekuseshiooru. I had to go back to a kana chart to help with that one.
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If the Excelsior Class was designed by the Japanese, it would have both a wave motion gun and SDF-1 style transformation.
Oh yes, along with a secret Maid Cafe on the lower decks. :P
As for the Dolphin Series...
Hydran Starships!
If the Excelsior was made to look like it was designed by the French, it would be goddamn ugly as sin (check out French pre-WW2 bombers) and have a "Drop Weapons" function fitted.
@@CZ350tuner If the Italians designed one it would probably look more like the Enterprise-E. Sleek and streamlined with no unnecessary weight. DS9's Defiant was probably German designed, tho.
@@CZ350tuner have you ever seen the b-18 Bolo? Not exactly a looker either...
A better example would be French pre-dreadnought battleships.
The designers kept tweaking the designs to the point that even ships in the same class looked different.
Well, technically it *did* have a wave motion gun. It's the deflector dish and was used in Generations to disrupt that massive energy ribbon dubbed the "Nexus" so they could break free. :)
Japanese starship? uhm, A Borg Cube. 50% smaller, with cat ears and a very funny but useless universal translator
I had heard many years ago that the "Transwarp Drive" that was on the Excelsior wasn't traswarp similar to what the Borg use, but was a new method if warp drive engagement able to jump immediately to any warp factor without having to speed up through the previous warp factors before it. In other words, Starfleet ships, if they wanted to go warp seven, would have to go to warp, and speed up until they hit warp 7, where the Excelsior could instantly go from impulse directly to warp 7 completely skipping the step of having to "speed up".
It's my understanding that modern Starfleet ships can indeed do this to a point, which I understand as being their "normal operating" speed, so for example, the Enterprise D has a standard operating speed of warp 6, so they could go from a standstill to warp six, but if they wanted to go faster, they would have to speed up from warp 6 to say warp 8, and of course, the closer to maximum they get, the longer it takes to get those few extra decimal places.
If anyone knows anything different, or can contribute further, by all means, this is just an amalgamation of what I've heard over the years, I could be completely off base, but it's my current understanding of the way things worked and work.
I was looking for a comment like this. I don't remember where I got the information from, but I remember reading that the events of Star Trek III halted development of the 'transwarp drive'. But by the time of Next Generation, they had continued it, and began incorporating it into newer ships.
And the defining feature of it was the ability to go directly from sub-light speed, to any achievable warp velocity. It also necessitated a 're-classifying' of what the speeds for warp were. Warp 2 in the original series is not the same as warp 2 in The Next Generation. It's the main 'in continuity' reason why ships aren't supposed to go past 'warp 10'. Because that's basically 'off the scale'.
Maybe check some of the star trek wiki pages. Some of them offer insight and sources I'd never think of or have access to.
and I think the Borg use 'Transwarp conduits' to travel, which I think is like a technobabble wording for wormhole' that sounds new and 'techie'.
We'll probably never know. The writers could never agree on it, specifically.
Starfleet Dynamics book implied Transwarp was a 5 x multiple of warp factors, rather than 3 x, for speed, etc. So Warp 3 is 27 x lightspeed, but transwarp 3 = 243 x lightspeed, etc.
Or, it's all done by wormholes/interphase, etc.
@@freakctc From what they show of Borg transwarp conduits, it really looks like the wormhole from DS9. And the word "transwarp" could be Star Fleets way of saying "faster then current speed/methods".
All we can be certain about transwarp is that all the time spent on research and development, all the expense of labor and materials, the careers and reputations of all the scientists and engineers who worked diligently and with tremendous effort to bring the project to reality was all wasted--yes, WASTED--and that Captain Styles and the crew of the Excelsior were humiliated, apparently beyond redemption, because Scotty didn't like it.
@@wcw43921 you'll get no argument from me there.
I'd like to see details about all of many variants of the Ambassador, Nebula, & Miranda classes.
Probert Ambassador
The design Nimoy chose makes sense. It looks like the Enterprise, but everything amped up. That's like putting a skinny short guy next to a tall muscular guy. They are both comparable as guys, but one is just suped up. If the design of Excelsior were too far away from the constitution refit, the comparison wouldn't be there.
Number 10 is “ekuserushiooru” which is Excelsior in katakana...
What's the urgent urgency of why I need to know this stuff. It's just interesting trivia, not life-saving information.
Maybe there's info we're not privy to, but it's a bit odd that Sulu spent like 30 years as a helmsman and then was given command of the newest, biggest ship in the fleet. I mean, Chekhov was at least first officer of the Reliant.
And as second officer, on the Enterprise, more or less...
He could've been Spock's first officer prior to Wrath of Khan.
Chekov*
Nice to hear something I didn't know after so many years. The Japanese design influence.
I can't recall if it was intentional or not, but the Excelsior bridge in TSS, was a clear influence on one of the concepts for TOS's Enterprise bridge. Where it was conceptualized to be a full wrap around display that was fully interactive and information was to be displayed based on need. And there's a concept image of this. Now TSS's Excelsior bridge very much has that feel. Completely black, with no interruption with bulkheads or whatever. It very much seems to have been at the very least, a nice homage to that original concept, and very much made sense to me. While very 80's in display, the idea of it is one of my fav designs, that I'd love to have seen with some more refinement (money).
Tim Russ IS in The Undiscovered Country... that's why he's on the Excelsior in the Voyager episode. Brilliant honestly.
He is not in The Undiscovered Country. He is in Generations as a human Enterprise B officer.
How about some Goldfish episodes?
The shuttles and runabouts appear in so many stories - yet they always seem to be tagged on to their parent ship. 😉
I'd love to see more for alien ships, like the Klingons and Romulans have tons of different ones that are super iconic, I feel like there's gotta be some juicy tidbits in there
IKS Rotaran
@@derekscanlan4641 100%
When are you going to do the Romulan Warbird?!
Don't make me come over there.
Yaaaas
I'm surprised you didn't mention the ps2 game where the Excelsior was transported to the mirror universe.
I'd like to see an episode on the Prometheus... That is a cool ship....
Aside from Hero ships I think the reliant a Villian ship deserves its time in the spotlight given the Miranda Class model was used as 3 different variants of starship along with being used from the TOS era (name is actually seen on a board in a TOS episode) to well into the dominion war a class of starship that was in work over 100 years
can somebody tell me, where the scene is from where geordi's mirror image is seen in the dolphin-tank window? (@1:35) or is it just cut together?
Would like to see 10 secrets of Morn's freighter.
A man of culture! 🖖😀
Maybe sickbay was able to revive him and the parasite just assumed he was gone so jumped into a new host.
The burns to the face would be a big step, even by star fleet standards.
Can you do one on the USS stargazer she is a constellation class starship
I wasn't paying attention and just heard 'Proto Vulcan' as if it was an insult and I thought "Did he just call someone the Vulcan equivalent of Neanderthal?"
Sacrifice him to The Picard!
I always thought Excelsior was one of the most beautiful of all the Star Trek ships.
Dolphin lab?
The Constitution Refit, Miranda, Excelsior, and Ambassador classes are the best looking ships in the franchise. Everything else are just second string bench warmers
Which Ambassador class though?
I think the NX-2000 drive was so successful that it reclassified the warp scale because they never reached infinite velocity
Oh i know were you got that
@@Jesus_Offical I think lore reloaded made a video about it
I had the pleasure of building and texturing this ship for Star Trek Bridge Crew VR. It's my favorite ship design, just behind the Enterprise Refit.
The Excelsior is a great looking Starship but can't beat the looks of the Constitution class refit
That's for sure
@@kevinlawson477 indeed
It's not a crime to like BOTH equally, is it?
@@chrissonofpear1384 No
08:27 - I could have sworn you were going to say Frank Welker (Freddy Jones, Scooby Doo, Megatron, Nibbler, plus eleventy billion other voices), because I had no idea he ever voiced Spock.
16:07 Of course Frank Welker is a voice in it. Its FRANK WELKER. He is THE voice. In everything.
I want an official Star Trek Helmet, Space Fun Helmet with the Spock whoopie light!
The USS Crazyhorse sounds like one of those ships built for just party cruises, 24th Century style!
The “Crazy Horse” is a strip club by me😹
I thought Matt Jeffries picked NCC due to inspiration from his person plane’s license number, NC-xxxxxx.
actually the NCC came about in tos as a sort of nod to say the soviets and american powers would meld together, sort of. NC are the american letters, Naval/Commercial, and CC, which was on soviet ships, thus, NCC. another not to how humanity would overcome their differences to form a united civilization.
Second Enterprise? Think Adam you will find that to be the Enterprise-A. 1701 was the first and then A would be the second. So B is the third
If you're going to get that technical then you may as well throw in the NX-01. ;)
So by that logic, B was the 4th...?
@@HeresWhyItsCool Fare point. But she wasn't one of the 1701 Enterprises which still makes the B the third (Being technical here)
@@CaptainTJMiller1701 I think you mean "Fair" point. Being technical here. :D
I'm just givin' ya a hard time, man. That actually is a valid argument about the 1701 registry. Well played, sir, well played.
Nice to know I'm not the only one in love with this ship.
1:50 simple smartphone translator using camera says, "10. Excelsior"
Can anyone explain to me the Alka-Seltzer joke? Unfortunately I cannot ask my parents what that was refering to.
It would be hard to do but maybe a video of Martock’s ship the IKS Rotarran would be awesome
I asked for Enterprise B, and you deliver the Excelsior... ehhhh okay I'll take it :)
There needs to be more Cpt. Sulu on Star Trek. There just is. A story about a person who thinks of himself as a swash-buckler just needs to be told.
Very much enjoying this - thank you. The "NCC" concept was explained in "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield that Roddenberry's intention was that it stood for "Naval Construction Contract," and the NX, debuted in STIII:TSFS, stood for "Naval Experimental."
both are incorrect actually
the N was the added letter. CC is based on the USNavy hull classification for Command Cruiser.
In this, the Reliant (as a light cruiser) should have been NCL-1864, and the Excelsior as a larger cruiser, battleship, or carrier could have been NCL-2000, NBB-2000, or NCV-2000 (my favorite)
NX means Naval X Experimental NCC Naval Construction Contract
What is the dolphin-scene at 01:34 from? Did they actually show the Cetacean Ops and I missed it??
When I watched undiscovered country in cinema I was so hyped for a Excelsior series or movie!
Best vid in a while. How about one on the USS Defiant from The Tholian Web and In a Mirror Darkly?
Haha yeah I’d love to seen an in-universe explanation behind the version of it that (sort of) appeared in Discovery with the bizarre mini nacelles on the bent nacelle pylons
USS Defiant (NCC-1764)
Hope the lads from the wrestling channel aren't upset with Adam's set redress!
A Japanese captain commanding a Japanese starship! I never made that connection until now.
I always thought ncc stood for navel construction contract
Another guy in Robocop with Miguel Ferrer who was in the old Star Trek movie Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country was Kurtwood Smith, he played the President of the Federation.
Also played Anorak in the Voyager episode Year of Hell.
The Excelsior class was a great design. Almost too good, they built so many of them replacing them all was a massive undertaking. So it seems they just didn't bother, they paid for that in the Dominion war!
In the books, and I think a couple o the DS9 episodes, Starfleet pulled a lot of the Excelsior class out of mothballs and sent them back into service during the Dominion war. They were the most mass produced ship in Starfleet history
The USS Lakota had weapons and armor apparently capable to defeating the Defiant in DS9. She certainly gave the Defiant a run for her money. Not sure how well the Lakota would have fared against the Defiant in that episode (thankfully the confrontation is resolved ultimately peacefully) with Worf in command.
I remember when the Excelsior was introduced and the original plan after the 3rd and 4th movies was for it to be the new vessel for Kirk and company. 🖖
Tim Russ was in the movie anyway but without the vulcan ears👂
WOW 🖖🏾I'm watching as this PREMIERES
At the end of Star Trek 4 when we are given a glimpse of the newly commissioned USS Enterprise-A, I always thought it was a shame that she was a Constitution Class Refit instead of an Excelsior Class.
I heard that they thought about doing that but didn't I'm glad they didn't I like the Enterprise refit better & if they did imagine two Excelsior class ships in Star Trek 6 the Enterprise A & the Excelsior audiences would not been able to tell them apart 🤷🏾♂️
The sovereign class ship please please 😁 enterprise e was a beauty, seeing that ship fight the borg in first contact was chefs kiss
Wait. That frank force screenshot. Frank WELKER was Spocks screams?! MEGATRON!?
Leonard Nimoy did voice Galvatron in Transformers the movie and Sentinel Prime in Transformers Dark of the Moon which that movie made three star trek reference, mostly about Spock. Also Leonard Nimoy was married to Michael Bay's cousin Susan Bay. She appeared in two episode of Deep Space Nine as an Admiral.
Frank Welker has also been, like, 80% of all animal sounds in visual media.
Surprising considering his regular speaking voice is almost literally Fred from Scooby Doo.
Tomatoes are a fruit
so are cucumbers
The Excelsior class will always be a sexy design in my opinion.
Next one HAS to be the Oberth class, right?!
Maybe do the Enterprise-C next or maybe do some on the rogue Starfleet ships Reliant and Equinox.
I'll give you Equinox, but Reliant, or it's crew, didn't go rogue.
Reliant was captured by Kahn and his people, after Cptn Tyrell and Checkov were compromised by those sand-lion things.
I wish they did a series with the USS Excelsior and Capt. Sulu. A bit late now unless they cast somebody else as Sulu and that would be hard to pull off. There could be a lot of goings on and drama with the transition to being allies with the Klingons.
John Cho?
#10 says “Ekuserushiouru” in Katakana, a phonetic translation of “Excelsior” in Japanese’s foreign-language-specific character set.
Even if I could read Katakana better than I actually can, I would NEVER guess the meaning. Just no. This is not that word. Not even close.
Thank you for the insight.
Today is June 3rd. Why can't I watch this? I'm in California. We are in a later time zone than whatculture, right?
No, You’re in an earlier time zone of -8 hrs than WhatCulture in England.
Still my favourite ship in all Trek, just love the way it looks like no other!
You should do the Equinox and the Titan
How about the nebula class? Or some enemy ships?
🖖😎👍Very well and very nicely done indeed 👌.
That's how voyager got home by using one of the Borgs transwarp conduits