And Sisko did call DS9 the most valuable piece of real estate in the Alpha Quadrant. It is most definitely a town in that respect. And of course the “docking ring” stands in for stables and liveries for the steeds and carriages (i.e. runabouts and ships).
DS9 had amazing writing. Some of the best writing on television. They tackled hard-hitting issues in a way that was perfect. I especially loved the Nog storyline. I think our Wounded warriors could relate a lot to him. I also loved the episode where they all saved Vic from the gangsters when the program went rogue. So many great episodes.
I couldn't agree more. I had such fond memories of DS9 growing up. I loved Star Trek in general but DS9 always appealed to me more. I think because it was different to others. It wasn't based on a starship, the obscure ferengi which were established in TNG were fleshed out as part of the cast, and the stations design was based on an aliens design that wasn't starfleet. It was like experiencing a part of the star trek universe that we don't always see from the stock standard starship perspective. Plus the stories were brilliant and characters most lovable.
@@kri249 I love the different take on Starfleet too. The gritty morally gray characters and stories showed how people live on the frontier. The Federation is far enough away that the officers on DS9 had to solve their own problems their own way with non-Federation people. I love DS9 BECAUSE of how gray it was morally, and how diverse the cast was. They really became a family by the end
I always imagine that even though Starfleet officers don't get paid, ones stationed in places where money is used probably receive some kind of stipend in Federation Credits. This theory goes hand-in-hand with the implication that money is not used on core worlds of the Federation, but is used on the frontiers. As we saw in TNG, Dr. Crusher purchased a bolt of cloth at Farpoint and "charges it to her account on the Enterprise." I know Gene Roddenberry insisted that the Federation didn't have money, but that's nonsense. Nog taught us all that the Great Material Continuum keeps the galaxy moving and Nog would never give up a bum steer.
They should have took the time to explain it all. But then again, perhaps they knew it couldn't be explained. Essentially the Federation would have to be "printing money"for the crew. If that's the case, then the money really has no value. I suppose the Federation could compensate the Ferengi in some way when they go to exchange Federation credits, but this is never explained. In a universe of essentially free energy. why would even the Ferengi need money?
The invention of replicators by TNG (and to a lesser extent, synthesizers in TOS and ENT) essentially made a currency based economy obsolete - who would deal with going to Wal-Mart, IKEA or Target for clothes, food, furniture, etc. when you could have a nearly magical device installed in your house that can create all of those things from thin air for free? Not having to grind your life away at a thankless dead end job just to afford the basic necessities of life would mean everyone would not only have the time to pursue their passions, but also have access to all of the base materials they need to fulfill them without worrying about affording them. As far as interactions with other societies that still use currency, my understanding is Starfleet "sells" its services and some technology in exchange for the local currency, then gives its personnel a stipend (as you said) to live comfortably within that society. I remember reading somewhere that they get the local economic equivalent of "middle class wages", just enough to be comfortable without destabilizing the economy. In modern Earth terms, they'd be able to afford a decent car, a good apartment or small house and a nice smartphone, but they wouldn't be tearing down the road in a Porche from a $5 million McMansion while talking on the latest $2,000 iPhone studded in diamonds.
I feel like Federation does have trade deals and would have some sort of stockpile of currency that they would dole out to the officers so they could spend time outside the Federation. But yeah, that's having your cake and eating it too.
Remember when they tripped a Cardassian security system, designed to stop its former commander from surrendering to a Bajoran slave uprising, which amongst other episodes, draws attention to the fact Star Fleet was upgrading the station.
I had the opportunity to visit the DS9 set while they were shooting a scene on the Promenade. Another interesting fact (to me anyway): the actors walk very slowly when shooting scenes on the Promenade. It doesn't appear that way on screen but when you're watching them in person, it was surprising.
While the ATM is never referenced on screen, Mike Okuda did point it out, and showed it close up, during a walk through of the Promenade in one of the “Making of” documentaries. It’s worth noting that unlike the sets for the Enterprise D, all of the sets for DS9 were built to feature film quality just in case they were needed for movies.
I guess an ATM makes sense...I always just figured the Federation may not use money within it's borders but it had latinum or the like to trade with other powers and it was giving the DS9 crew an allowance of sorts so they could live in DS9.
Yeah they get a per deium of Latinum when out on the frontier or non federation worlds on fed business. Enough to enjoy them self but not enough to become a problem
I kinda assumed they would get “credits” and those credits would be useable to purchase latinum. Kinda like STO’s version but more economic and less game currency-ish
Bradford Lorance I think the issue people have with Start trek is that we are so boxed in by how our society works that they can’t understand how Star Trek Society Works.
@@daiganzen7794 the thing is, the federation might not use money, but other nations and planets do. The comments are about how the federation might deal with that for its members and employees that are living in non federation spaces for longer time
There was a time in life when I cracked a joke or two about "Star Trek nerds." But then I started watching a lot of BBC America after I got into Doctor Who, and they were airing TNG reruns all the time. I would usually leave it on as background noise until "Chain of Command" caught my attention one day, and I started actually watching when the show was on and finished the series on Netflix at some point. Naturally, I eventually moved on to DS9, and my God it was glorious. TNG was great, but DS9 is one of the best shows I've ever seen. It was outstanding. It started stronger in early going, and for 3 straight seasons from 4 through 6, it rarely dipped below a B+ level of quality. It's an absolute triumph of the sci fi genre, and we're lucky to have it. I don't know which Trek show is the best Star Trek (though I do know it's definitely not Voyager and ppl who claim otherwise are delusional), but DS9 is by far the best general TV show of the bunch.
OK, glad U keep it brief, like me. 😉 Does any one read the long ones... besides the people that write um ? Don't know about that. As for this... your right. Right about D.S.9 & Voyager. I like that show. It sucks ! WTF ? 🤣😂🤣 Get over it folks. One of um was bound to ? Right. Well, that's it. Mouthy bitches on every deck Wonder why it didn't fly ? 🙂 A swing & a miss. ⚾️ It happens. So... why take the time to " chat ?" Kind bud, and the fact that I watched this show, then left Dr. Who on for backround noise. Then started "watching" it. 🤔 Either way we sure kicked those Jerry's sorry asses, together. How do U like that Prime Directive. 🤣😂🤣 Anyways, nice "talking." Keep them long rambling messages coming. I'll make U look good if ya do the same. 🖖
Sorry to be 'that guy', but about Number 7: A few tidbits you missed out was 'Diva Droid Corporation' and the 'Jupiter Mining Corporation', both Easter Eggs from 'Red Dwarf', you also have 'Spacely Sprockets', an Easter Egg from 'The Jetsons' and Tom Servo's Used Robots is an easter egg from 'MST3K'... I'm gonna stop there but, yeah, the directory is full of easter eggs. (Worst kept secret ever, I know)
I like how Star Trek online depicted DS9s future, Kira did become Vedik but they found the Vedik from season 1 and then Kira Joined Starfleet And was commissioned as Captain and took command of the station and by extension the Defiant, quark was still running his bar and Morn the best character would sit and regal everyone with his amazing tales, man what a mouth on that guy
Let's not forget that Nog became a captain of his own ship, Odo commands the Dominion Fleets. I think we got Captains Paris and Kim...and wasn't Tuvok made an admiral?
I've never read any of the DS9 novels, but I think you might be confusing the term Vedik and Kai. A Vedik is like a priest, while the Kai is like the pope. Sounds to me like you may have meant that they found Kai Opaka; she was Kai in the first season but was killed and immediately resurrected on some stinking rock in the Gamma Quadrant full of hate-filled soldiers who kept killing each other off and resurrecting for all of eternity. But none of them could leave or they'd die permanently, so Opaka decided to stay and try to negotiate a peace between the factions. Sisko and Kira told everyone back home that Opaka was dead, and eventually Vedik Wynn became the new Kai. Bashir had several long-term things that he wanted to fix but never got around to it by the end of the series - the Blight (from the episode The Quickening), the Jem'Hedar dependence on ketracel white, and this lovely little problem of getting Opaka safely off the cruddy little moon she was stranded on. I guess in the novels Julian must have figured out this one, at least.
One of my favourite DS9 Easter Eggs: While Nana Visitor was dating Alexander Siddig, he introduced her to a comedy show called "One Foot In the Grave" The cast and crew became a fan of the show and started introducing Victor Meldrew's catchphrase of "I do not believe it!" anywhere they could cram it in, but apparently only one actually made it on-air in the episode "Tribunal"
I can see the Ferengi ATM fees being pretty reasonable to hook you into their system. It's only then that they raise the critical need for latinum corrosion insurance at a reasonable rate...
Currently rewatching DS9 I’m on S4 E7 and it is def the most integrated star trek series - such a different perspective and detail into so many lives of the different species and cultures. its a very rich and rewarding experience.
Also Tom Servo's Used Robots, an MST3K reference, Spacely's Sprockets, from the Jetsons, and Sirius Cybernetics and Milliways, from The Hitchhikers Guide.
I generally dislike the Cardassian aesthetic, think their ships are ugly, architecture is ugly, even their clothing, but for some reason DS9 (or Terok Nor) designs just somehow works for me. I think it's the circular/globe nature of the structure, the rings around the centre, the pylons forming the shape and the command centre at the dead centre, kind of like it's own little universe. The lighting as well I think played a big role in making it feel like a warm place, just look at what they did with the same set when they redressed and lit it for flashbacks during the occupation or on Empok Nor.
I entirely agree with everything in this comment. And it’s not just that it’s a good design while keeping to a Cardassian aesthetic, it’s a good design for a space station in general, especially compared to some of the starfleet designs. The “Yorktown” station in the last JJ-verse film was especially bad, a massive habitable sphere. They’d have to fill that entire volume with air, which is insanely inefficient given (like a planet) most of the sphere is miles up. And if it’s attacked the whole place would decompress. DS9’s rings are really well thought out.
While DS9 looks great, I always felt the inward facing pylons should have been facing outward, from a practical sense. Otherwise the ships get a bit close together.
deep space nine is probably one of the prettiest space stations ever done in scifi. hard to believe this was a mining base and not some luxury space hotel.
I'm going back through DS9 now. I introduced my wife to it and it has a special place in our hearts. We didn't know any of these things. It's really neat to know our fave Star Trek series still has lots of hidden gems in it. Here's something you might not have known, at least you didn't mention it: The stardates are usually just made up numbers the team uses to indicate passing time with the first year of TNG begining at 41XXX and incrementing by 1000 over the course of each season the show was being produced. It's no secret that they didn't air in sequence, sometimes causing impossible overlaps in events within the same series. The first station log of DS9 entered by the then Commander Sisko was 46379.1. That puts it a less than a week after the first log entry used in "Chain of Command, Part 2" (at 46360.8). So them interacting with the DS9 cast would have made little sense unless it was planned for them to be at Terok Nor just before the Cardassian withdrawal. Using stardates would also mean that the Enterprise officially was at DS9 a total of three times: The beginning of "Emissary", the end of "Emissary" and a few days after the events of the DS9 episode "The Passenger" when the events of "Birthright, Part 1" occurred.
Vuoto Pneumatico Non Non I understand and agree, but I also understand given the fact that they keep overloading almost every episode with tons of Trek Easter eggs... (almost to the level that, they’re looking like they’re overcompensating for lack of those eggs and acknowledgment in CBS’s other current Trek series)... there’s just too many homages and the motivations for those homages, for which a “10 List”, May be appropriate.
Dukhat (Babylon5), Dukat (DS9), Zocolo (Babylon5), Promenade (DS9), Monorail (Babylon 5), Monorail (DS9), Spacestation near a planet (Epsilon 3; Babylon 5), Spacestation near a planet (Bajor, DS9). I hope JMS got some money from Paramount for plagiarizing his work or maybe a job offer as producer/writer, LOL 😆
Or at least, the continuity of "Star Wars exists within the history of this universe" with a dash of "someone let their nerd friend fill out the fake passenger manifest, and that nerd friend figured a Bajoran security officer probably doesn't know Earth pop culture"...
@@kennethmelnychuk9737 He did not get any money or credit from Paramount. He pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount before DS9 ever existed but they wouldn't accept all 5 seasons right away. They wanted to give him one season and maybe more if it went well. He wrote a 5 season story and wanted to make sure it was able to be told so he took his idea elsewhere. Shortly after, Paramount creates DS9 with a loooooot of similarities like you mentioned. Absolutely not a coincidence!
I like the pocket books that had the station continuing on as an outpost. Kira became the station commander, Ro Karen joined as head of security. Eventually they were folded into Star Fleet, Kira became a Captain (Defiant), Laren a commander. Kira would went on to become Kai and raised a family at some point. The books were good.
My favorite series of all time, I hope the "next generation" born after year 2000, gets to experience the joy and entertainment this kind of writing and quality brings to sci fi.
TH-cam video: "Ten things YOU don't know about star trek" Me: "pffft! we'll see about that!" Me 17 minutes later:"Huh..." Will definitely need to rewatch chain of command and look out for the promenade restaurant.
In the 2nd part of the pilot episode, they managed to get a "warp field" around the WHOLE station to move it close to the wormhole, STAKING it's claim on it. It almost instantly went from being in the middle of nowhere to the MOST important place in the Alpha Quadrant. To their date, it was probably the LARGEST object to obtain warp speed too. I love DS9!
That wasn't a warp field, at least not the same as ships use. And, it didn't achieve warp speed. They generated a "mass reduction field" (think Mass Effect) using the shield systems. This allowed them to move the station out of Bajor's orbit using thruster power without tearing the station apart.
Mike Okuda was a big fan of Buckaroo Banzai. Yoyodyne was something he would put in as an in-joke. Also of quite a few anime shows like "the dirty pair" (they show up in some of his star charts).
DS9 was the lonely Federation Outpost in disputed space , relations with the Cardassians were still tense when we saw the TV Pilot , this reality would go back and forth as time went on ... The clarinet playing in the show theme was appropriate, it symbolized the lonely outpost far from Federation space - the clarion call. Everything fitted together quite well I think , it’ll be difficult to replicate a Star Trek series with such quality in the future, and I’d be very surprised if it’s ever achieved.
I remember when DS9 was on the long forgotten UPN on TV, my Mother watched an episode with me and she said something that has stuck with me for years and it's absolutely true for all the TV shows of Star Trek, but I think more so with DS9, and that is, "So basically, this is a science fiction soap opera show." And Mom was absolutely correct. On a funny note the one that really looked and took the award for Sci-fi Soap Opera show, was Babylon 5. I loved that show, but now as an (older) adult I have all the seasons of Babylon 5 on DVD, and I can barely watch it, but I have since re-watched DS9 and it's simply timeless and easier to stomach lol. I have a really cool limited hard to find huge 1:850 scale model of DS9 station and I was horrified to find that the easy lighting model with clear parts that sounded cool but in reality it means the entire model is clear and will be a pain in the hinny to make. I couldn't believe it when I opened the box and said what the heck lol. I've been building and lighting star trek ships for years and years in truth I just make really cool lamps. But this is going to be a tough build being clear. Even came with a small Defiant and a Cardassian cruiser. Also all clear. Anyway, one of the best Star Trek shows in my opinion, was DS9 and absolutely bringing in the Defiant helped save the show. Favorite show and favorite ship. Thanks for reading, all be safe and well! 🖖
I remember that the Enterprise refit (in the movie) have elevators too in engineering, and Enterprise D have too, since episode 1 (functionals, I mean).
Someone please confirm, but I am pretty sure The Man From U.N.C.L.E. appeared in The Original Series. EDIT: MBLEEPR FBLEEPR! and GBLEEPD DBLEEPM IT! Five FBLEEPG TRIES TO GET THIS POST DONE! I HATE MY PHONE KEYBOARD! Sorry for yelling. . . Live Long and Prosper!
Great video...but I remember there being working lifts in Voyager and the Enterprise NX-O1's engineering rooms. There might also have been one in the Enterprise-E's engine room but I'm not 100% sure
Apologies for the necro post but you mentioning the thing about starfleet officers and latinum is always something I've wondered about and then came to my own conclusion about. Given the IMMENSE amount of the stuff the federation clearly has access to (as evidenced in DS9: The Pale Moonlight) I'm guessing that use of it by their officers just counts as an, "Expense" you can shove on your company (Federation) card without having to worry about.
I disagree with your #10: The First Appearance of DS9. Whether or not whatever scenes where it was SUPPOSED TO HAVE APPEARED IN, and even the sets from the show, being redressed, that was NOT DS9. If it was DS9, then just like one of your other points about the ultimate fate of the station not happening because it never appeared on screen and therefore is not cannon, the same logic must apply in that what appeared on screen was someplace elsewhere as stated on screen. Otherwise we have never seen the bridge of the Stargazer in TNG precisely because it was a redress of another bridge set.. and that is unacceptable. So in TNG, the redressed DS9 sets used to represent someplace else are in fact that other place and not DS9 because of the stated on screen facts in exactly the same way that the redressed 1701A Bridge used to represent the Stargazer bridge is the Stargazer bridge because it is stated on screen as such, and therefore NOT the 1701A bridge it was redressed from. I hope that 1; that makes sense, and that 2; I've correctly identified the specific bridge set that was redressed to represent the Stargazer bridge in my example. If not, then by all means substitute whatever actual bridge set it was originally used as, then redressed to Stargazer, as the point still stands intact. Nice try though.
Alien Tower of Babel ?? Cough Cough Babylon 5 Cough Cough :D its well know that J. Michael Straczynski created treatment and a “Bible” for Babylon 5 and that he pitched it to a series of TV networks in the late 80's including Paramount (which they kept for a year before returning it J. Michael Straczynski) and that Patricia Tallman (who played "Lyta" Alexander in Babylon 5 and LOTS of characters in multiple Star Trek series including Defiant's Weapon Officer in Way of the Warrior) but was also CEO and executive producer of Studio JMS stated their was a law suit between the companies that was settle "Quietly out of court" Even thought they end up becoming very diffrent TV shows you can still see these little threads in DS9 that were clearly "inspired" by Babylon 5 :D ps I love both shows was just interested as I had never head about the Alien Tower of Babel story before :D (and yes DS9 is the best Trek Show on all levels)
This is my third video of this guy's series I've seen and I for sure won't go beyond this one, really reaching for content for videos on this one. About as long as that reach to connect DS9 to "possibly" being on a planet amd that simply because of the sets and that DS9 was already in the works means that was DS9 before it existed is a bit unnecessary just for a minute and a half of content. Plus super awkward now hiring start smh
Money does exist in the Federation as the Federation credit. However the Frengi Quark included do not accept the Federation credit as legal tender. No explanation is given as to why the frengi will only accept Latium but theories exist.
If I was in charge of such a station I would at least repaint it, inside and out, to distance the station from its sordid past. I would still replace the systems with modern, safer Federation versions but the painting would be where I start. Hell, I may even use the funds generated from trade fees, tourism, and taxes to build a super station next door, in front of the very important wormhole, especially knowing it would soon become the central point of a galactic war.
Here is one for you, it was pretty much a ripoff of Babylon 5. Yes DS9 aired before B5 but the idea for it goes back to when TNG had just started airing.
Demigod status aside proclaiming Captain Sisko as the best csptain in all star trek is a bit of a grandiose statement. But there is no denying that he is one of the most brilliant and best captains we've had thus far.
IF it was Gunsmoke, Odo would have been the main focus and Quark would have been Kitty.... just gotta figure out the timeline of the Chester years or Festus. and who would have been who
@@AndrewArndts hmmm ... If Odo was Matt .. wouldn't that make quark chester ? And then Garak festis ? And obviously Kira would be ms kitty ... Lol I love this line of speculation btw
@@thedreadpiratewesley2301 Please note these are "Character" parallels not gender. so with that, Kitty owned the bar, therefore Quark is Kitty... Now doing some digging as Gunsmoke was well before my time though syndication Plus Radio Classic channel on Sirius XM plays Gunsmoke.. ANY how.. Worf though held the StarFleet Position of Security BUT he kinda is Chester to Odo's being Matt. And yet Nothing for Sisko and son so if anything it is a blend of The Rifleman and Gunsmoke with a dash of Say Maverick to include the reboot of the series Kira is the Newspaper owner from the reboot and well Garak can be sorta Maverick if you take the Gambler/Con artist and turn it into espionage. Okay perhaps I maybe stretching... but One last Stretch Take The Rifleman and blend it with "The Courtship of Eddie's Father... That is the story parallel for Sisko and Jake.
@@AndrewArndts some of that went over my head ... Mostly because I hate the colored gunsmokes .Ive never seen the second decade of the show really , but Kira is ms kitty not because of gender but because she's Odos "forbidden love interest" , you could say the she runs the station like ms kitty ran the bar ... And quark is chester because hes always trying to impress Odo , albeit in a different kind of way , like chester was always trying to impress "MR DILLON ! MR DILLON!" , he's Odos sidekick early on ... Then later they move to Garak always being with odo , like festis Garak has an edge to him , they're both hidden badasses . With shady pasts but are generally good people . . And of course you have o'brien and doctor bashir with the classic Laramie best friends plot . O'brien is Slim , bashir is Jess ..
I like that you tried to clone Kris before looking elsewhere Adam. That's very sweet of you. :) But I must point out you forgot to mention the white, tailed chimps patrolling E-Level hyperspace. Or... hang on... no, no, that was a different space station... And yes, in case you're wondering, I *do* have to make an unfunny Uplift joke on each of these videos. It's in the contract. You know, though, the one thing I really want you to tell me, Adam, is actually about the Discovery, of all ships. 'cause you know, if Picard's Enterprise got to have a dolphin crew, then I gotta know... ...did Lorca have orcas?
The Federation claims not to have money - but they have credits. That is essentially a currency. Its a LIE Harry Kim talks about becoming "broke" if he paid Quark for gems and stuff. Beverly purchases cloth on the first episode of TNG etc.
It's never really clarified, but the general fan theory is that they do have a currency system to interact with outsiders, but internally they don't have to pay for anything. There are also some issues with that in TOS where Kirk docks a crewmate's pay for some infraction, but I assume that Roddenberry didn't have the lore fully in place yet at that point.
It's cannon that Picard is the greatest captain in all of Star Trek. It's fine if YOU think he's the best or if he's your favorite, but Picard is the most celebrated and respected, even more than Kirk. Kirk was a legend, but he was thought of as a loose cannon. Picard accomplished more and had far more respect and clout. Sisko was a big deal on Bajor, I'll grant him that. But even Janeway kept Q's fascination. Q got bored with Sisko after one episode and then forgot about him.
@@kristophertower3476 B5 was pitched. Then they turned it down. And made the series anyway. Some characters have similar names for a reason. I like both but this is was happened
Actually it should be a Top 10 list on why Morn is the best character on Star Trek. Not one word said on screen and still had a completely interesting story.
@jockadoobee eh I'd take Dax over Kira any day. I like a woman who knows what she wants and how to get it. I imagine 7 lifetimes teaches you a trick or two.
For bein "seedy" Quark ACTUALLY was rather noble an even honorable at the show's end. We NEED is a Trek show that's POST DS9 AND VOYAGER. Something akin to what Online does THAT'D be a great show for a good new crew in a series styled in the the Voyager, DS9, TNG flavor.. ya know, the last REALLY good era of Trek TV
The mining equipment was probably useless once they moved the station out of orbit... and of course I’m sure Bajor would have said, “You want us to mine ore for you?!”
As a DS9 fanatic, thank you for making this. Before you do the Enterprise-E, can we get the "10 things you need to know about the USS Defiant NX-74205"?
I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, North Haverbrook and DS9, and, by gum, it put them on the map!
Well, sir, there's nothin' on Earth like a genuine bona-fide electrified six-car monorail!
@@dangerkeith3000 is there a chance the track could bend? Not on your life my Bajoran friend.
They should have had Spock for the opening ceremony.
@@dangerkeith3000 whats that word?
@Riley Kitchen . Monorail!
The western frontier comparison is quite thoughtful. Saloon, jail, schoolhouse. Never noticed that. Bravo.
Julian made that reference (kinda), to Kira in the very first episode when asked why he chose DS9 as his assignment.
Not surprising, Gene Roddenberry initially titled TOS: “Wagon Train to the Stars”
@@jayluck8047 he called it the frontier medicine insulting Kira in the process
Gunsmoke in space. Loved Gunsmoke
And Sisko did call DS9 the most valuable piece of real estate in the Alpha Quadrant. It is most definitely a town in that respect. And of course the “docking ring” stands in for stables and liveries for the steeds and carriages (i.e. runabouts and ships).
"There are 4 lights" impersonation was actually pretty good..
Deep space nine is a treasure to Star Trek that will stay with us forever.
DS9 had amazing writing. Some of the best writing on television. They tackled hard-hitting issues in a way that was perfect. I especially loved the Nog storyline. I think our Wounded warriors could relate a lot to him. I also loved the episode where they all saved Vic from the gangsters when the program went rogue. So many great episodes.
I couldn't agree more. I had such fond memories of DS9 growing up. I loved Star Trek in general but DS9 always appealed to me more. I think because it was different to others. It wasn't based on a starship, the obscure ferengi which were established in TNG were fleshed out as part of the cast, and the stations design was based on an aliens design that wasn't starfleet.
It was like experiencing a part of the star trek universe that we don't always see from the stock standard starship perspective. Plus the stories were brilliant and characters most lovable.
I loved the development of Bashir's and Obrian's friendship. DS9 is the best Star Trek show ever!!
@@kri249 I love the different take on Starfleet too. The gritty morally gray characters and stories showed how people live on the frontier. The Federation is far enough away that the officers on DS9 had to solve their own problems their own way with non-Federation people. I love DS9 BECAUSE of how gray it was morally, and how diverse the cast was. They really became a family by the end
Best series.
I always imagine that even though Starfleet officers don't get paid, ones stationed in places where money is used probably receive some kind of stipend in Federation Credits. This theory goes hand-in-hand with the implication that money is not used on core worlds of the Federation, but is used on the frontiers. As we saw in TNG, Dr. Crusher purchased a bolt of cloth at Farpoint and "charges it to her account on the Enterprise."
I know Gene Roddenberry insisted that the Federation didn't have money, but that's nonsense. Nog taught us all that the Great Material Continuum keeps the galaxy moving and Nog would never give up a bum steer.
If they don't have money why would they bother playing poker
They should have took the time to explain it all. But then again, perhaps they knew it couldn't be explained. Essentially the Federation would have to be "printing money"for the crew. If that's the case, then the money really has no value. I suppose the Federation could compensate the Ferengi in some way when they go to exchange Federation credits, but this is never explained. In a universe of essentially free energy. why would even the Ferengi need money?
The invention of replicators by TNG (and to a lesser extent, synthesizers in TOS and ENT) essentially made a currency based economy obsolete - who would deal with going to Wal-Mart, IKEA or Target for clothes, food, furniture, etc. when you could have a nearly magical device installed in your house that can create all of those things from thin air for free? Not having to grind your life away at a thankless dead end job just to afford the basic necessities of life would mean everyone would not only have the time to pursue their passions, but also have access to all of the base materials they need to fulfill them without worrying about affording them.
As far as interactions with other societies that still use currency, my understanding is Starfleet "sells" its services and some technology in exchange for the local currency, then gives its personnel a stipend (as you said) to live comfortably within that society. I remember reading somewhere that they get the local economic equivalent of "middle class wages", just enough to be comfortable without destabilizing the economy. In modern Earth terms, they'd be able to afford a decent car, a good apartment or small house and a nice smartphone, but they wouldn't be tearing down the road in a Porche from a $5 million McMansion while talking on the latest $2,000 iPhone studded in diamonds.
I always figured that they don't have physical money, just that plain old digital cash.
I feel like Federation does have trade deals and would have some sort of stockpile of currency that they would dole out to the officers so they could spend time outside the Federation. But yeah, that's having your cake and eating it too.
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"Del Florio's Tailor Shop" is also a reference to the 1960's spy series, "The Man From UNCLE."
Which connects to the logo also appearing.
Which has an odd sort of synchronicity with Garak's Tailor Shop, seeing as how Garak was an actual Obsidian Order spy exiled to DS9.
I was looking through comments just to see if anyone else had caught this one.
@@rextyrran5644 Maybe there's a Section 31 safe house hidden away on board?
Weren’t the elevators beside the warp cores of Enterprise D and Voyager real too? Not turbolifts though, I suppose?
Fairly certain that NX-01 had a lift in engineering too.
Yep, all of those had actual working lifts on their sets. You see at least a couple uses in each show of the lift in question.
@@compmanio36 The point seems to be that those lifts did not move up or down that you could see - they simply closed doors
@@simonbutterfield4860 in the u.k. lift means elevator. he meant turbolift. took me while to realize it.
Encounter at Farpoint has a working lift at the very beginning of the episode. Nice research Trek Culture. LoL
Remember when they tripped a Cardassian security system, designed to stop its former commander from surrendering to a Bajoran slave uprising, which amongst other episodes, draws attention to the fact Star Fleet was upgrading the station.
TNG, Voyager & Enterprise all had open lifts that dropped between levels in Engineering & was a few scenes where we see the crew using them.
thank you !
Last time I was this early to a video, DS9 still orbited Bajor.
you get internet post of the day award.
Myself andI r/woooosh
@Myself andI it's a joke p-p
@Myself andI The comment and the woosh
Chief O'Brian warped that mofo. I had real issues with that feat of miracle working by the Federations most abused engineer
I had the opportunity to visit the DS9 set while they were shooting a scene on the Promenade. Another interesting fact (to me anyway): the actors walk very slowly when shooting scenes on the Promenade. It doesn't appear that way on screen but when you're watching them in person, it was surprising.
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is the GREATEST Star Trek series of ALL-TIME.
thats a funny way of spelling star trek voyager
After TNG
Knock Turnal voyager is a terrible train wreck! DS9 is far superior in every way!
@@iphone777 Nope. Voyager is awsome. Every Trek Show is great
@@stevedergamer5322 except Discovery and Lower Decks
While the ATM is never referenced on screen, Mike Okuda did point it out, and showed it close up, during a walk through of the Promenade in one of the “Making of” documentaries. It’s worth noting that unlike the sets for the Enterprise D, all of the sets for DS9 were built to feature film quality just in case they were needed for movies.
Interesting.
The ATM also featured in the _Star Trek Fact Files_
too bad we never got, and most likely never will get a movie.
The fact that DS9 hasn't gotten an HD upgrade is such a crime.
I guess an ATM makes sense...I always just figured the Federation may not use money within it's borders but it had latinum or the like to trade with other powers and it was giving the DS9 crew an allowance of sorts so they could live in DS9.
Exactly.
Yeah they get a per deium of Latinum when out on the frontier or non federation worlds on fed business. Enough to enjoy them self but not enough to become a problem
I kinda assumed they would get “credits” and those credits would be useable to purchase latinum. Kinda like STO’s version but more economic and less game currency-ish
Bradford Lorance I think the issue people have with Start trek is that we are so boxed in by how our society works that they can’t understand how Star Trek Society Works.
@@daiganzen7794 the thing is, the federation might not use money, but other nations and planets do. The comments are about how the federation might deal with that for its members and employees that are living in non federation spaces for longer time
There was a time in life when I cracked a joke or two about "Star Trek nerds." But then I started watching a lot of BBC America after I got into Doctor Who, and they were airing TNG reruns all the time. I would usually leave it on as background noise until "Chain of Command" caught my attention one day, and I started actually watching when the show was on and finished the series on Netflix at some point. Naturally, I eventually moved on to DS9, and my God it was glorious. TNG was great, but DS9 is one of the best shows I've ever seen. It was outstanding. It started stronger in early going, and for 3 straight seasons from 4 through 6, it rarely dipped below a B+ level of quality. It's an absolute triumph of the sci fi genre, and we're lucky to have it. I don't know which Trek show is the best Star Trek (though I do know it's definitely not Voyager and ppl who claim otherwise are delusional), but DS9 is by far the best general TV show of the bunch.
to me it was good but not as good as an other show i was watching at the time and i mean babylon 5, definitely worth checking it out !
OK, glad U keep it brief, like me. 😉 Does any one read the long ones... besides the people that write um ? Don't know about that. As for this... your right. Right about D.S.9 & Voyager. I like that show. It sucks ! WTF ? 🤣😂🤣 Get over it folks. One of um was bound to ? Right. Well, that's it. Mouthy bitches on every deck Wonder why it didn't fly ? 🙂 A swing & a miss. ⚾️ It happens. So... why take the time to " chat ?" Kind bud, and the fact that I watched this show, then left Dr. Who on for backround noise. Then started "watching" it. 🤔 Either way we sure kicked those Jerry's sorry asses, together. How do U like that Prime Directive. 🤣😂🤣 Anyways, nice "talking." Keep them long rambling messages coming. I'll make U look good if ya do the same. 🖖
Sorry to be 'that guy', but about Number 7: A few tidbits you missed out was 'Diva Droid Corporation' and the 'Jupiter Mining Corporation', both Easter Eggs from 'Red Dwarf', you also have 'Spacely Sprockets', an Easter Egg from 'The Jetsons' and Tom Servo's Used Robots is an easter egg from 'MST3K'... I'm gonna stop there but, yeah, the directory is full of easter eggs. (Worst kept secret ever, I know)
I had to google "Deep Space 9 directory" but see that was fun. Pancho's Happy Bottom Riding Club sounds like a topless bar, LOL
I thought it was cool that the DS9 Promenade had a bowling alley!
I'd missed the Red Dwarf Easter eggs. Thanks!
I like how Star Trek online depicted DS9s future, Kira did become Vedik but they found the Vedik from season 1 and then Kira Joined Starfleet And was commissioned as Captain and took command of the station and by extension the Defiant, quark was still running his bar and Morn the best character would sit and regal everyone with his amazing tales, man what a mouth on that guy
Let's not forget that Nog became a captain of his own ship, Odo commands the Dominion Fleets.
I think we got Captains Paris and Kim...and wasn't Tuvok made an admiral?
Regale
I'm not sure what Gayle has to do with anything but if Morn wants to talk about her I'm not stopping him.
@@SimpleGeekReviews He was. We also got Original Kim back...sort of.....
I've never read any of the DS9 novels, but I think you might be confusing the term Vedik and Kai. A Vedik is like a priest, while the Kai is like the pope.
Sounds to me like you may have meant that they found Kai Opaka; she was Kai in the first season but was killed and immediately resurrected on some stinking rock in the Gamma Quadrant full of hate-filled soldiers who kept killing each other off and resurrecting for all of eternity. But none of them could leave or they'd die permanently, so Opaka decided to stay and try to negotiate a peace between the factions. Sisko and Kira told everyone back home that Opaka was dead, and eventually Vedik Wynn became the new Kai.
Bashir had several long-term things that he wanted to fix but never got around to it by the end of the series - the Blight (from the episode The Quickening), the Jem'Hedar dependence on ketracel white, and this lovely little problem of getting Opaka safely off the cruddy little moon she was stranded on. I guess in the novels Julian must have figured out this one, at least.
One of my favourite DS9 Easter Eggs:
While Nana Visitor was dating Alexander Siddig, he introduced her to a comedy show called "One Foot In the Grave"
The cast and crew became a fan of the show and started introducing Victor Meldrew's catchphrase of "I do not believe it!" anywhere they could cram it in, but apparently only one actually made it on-air in the episode "Tribunal"
can you imagine the fees (at least for non-Ferengi) charged in a Ferengi banking system (including to use its ATMs)?
No doubt there is a "pressing charge" if you want your Latium "gold pressed"!
Still better than Bank of America...
I can see the Ferengi ATM fees being pretty reasonable to hook you into their system. It's only then that they raise the critical need for latinum corrosion insurance at a reasonable rate...
Currently rewatching DS9 I’m on S4 E7 and it is def the most integrated star trek series - such a different perspective and detail into so many lives of the different species and cultures. its a very rich and rewarding experience.
STDS9 is one of the best Star Trek Shows. Even better than TNG and every old Trek show. I just want to finish VOY and Enterprise so I can rewacht it.
Enterprise had a functioning lift in engineering, right? Trip complained about its' poor safety when he was pregnant.
??? He was pregnant? He ?
@@mikepimp6317 yeah... it's complicated. Watch the Epsiode "Unexpected" from Enterprse if you wish to know more.
i said this. glad i'm not the only one. i seem to remember geordi using one. others have said voyager but i only remember a ladder.
What about the lift in engineering in Voyager?
Also the lift in engineering in TNG. I am re-watching it on Netflix, and they have used the open lift several times.
"Only non-federation location to be the permanent home of a Star Trek series" - technically the NX-01 was non-Federation.
Excellent point
A great technicality.... i like technicalities
Technically it became the first fed ship as the founder commandeered it an it was built on earth, one of the founding worlds.
But during the era the show was set it was a starfleet vessel, the fact it BECAME federation property later on is moot
Ian Mulcrone so you think Enterprise *was* a Federation location that was home to a Star Trek series?
I'm deeply disappointed that you didn't mention the Jupiter Mining Corporation from Red Dwarf being on the Promenade!
You're about 3,000,000 years to early
@@martinoleary1827 O smeggin ell.
That would be a great cross over episode. The Boys from Dwarf visiting DS9.
Waaaaaa?
Also Tom Servo's Used Robots, an MST3K reference, Spacely's Sprockets, from the Jetsons, and Sirius Cybernetics and Milliways, from The Hitchhikers Guide.
I generally dislike the Cardassian aesthetic, think their ships are ugly, architecture is ugly, even their clothing, but for some reason DS9 (or Terok Nor) designs just somehow works for me. I think it's the circular/globe nature of the structure, the rings around the centre, the pylons forming the shape and the command centre at the dead centre, kind of like it's own little universe. The lighting as well I think played a big role in making it feel like a warm place, just look at what they did with the same set when they redressed and lit it for flashbacks during the occupation or on Empok Nor.
I entirely agree with everything in this comment.
And it’s not just that it’s a good design while keeping to a Cardassian aesthetic, it’s a good design for a space station in general, especially compared to some of the starfleet designs. The “Yorktown” station in the last JJ-verse film was especially bad, a massive habitable sphere. They’d have to fill that entire volume with air, which is insanely inefficient given (like a planet) most of the sphere is miles up. And if it’s attacked the whole place would decompress. DS9’s rings are really well thought out.
I don't think the Cardassians are meant to be particularly pleasing to the eye. After all, they are space Nazis!
That station interior design has kept the show from looking dated unlike the Enterprise set design of TNG.
While DS9 looks great, I always felt the inward facing pylons should have been facing outward, from a practical sense. Otherwise the ships get a bit close together.
deep space nine is probably one of the prettiest space stations ever done in scifi. hard to believe this was a mining base and not some luxury space hotel.
I'm going back through DS9 now. I introduced my wife to it and it has a special place in our hearts. We didn't know any of these things. It's really neat to know our fave Star Trek series still has lots of hidden gems in it.
Here's something you might not have known, at least you didn't mention it: The stardates are usually just made up numbers the team uses to indicate passing time with the first year of TNG begining at 41XXX and incrementing by 1000 over the course of each season the show was being produced. It's no secret that they didn't air in sequence, sometimes causing impossible overlaps in events within the same series.
The first station log of DS9 entered by the then Commander Sisko was 46379.1. That puts it a less than a week after the first log entry used in "Chain of Command, Part 2" (at 46360.8). So them interacting with the DS9 cast would have made little sense unless it was planned for them to be at Terok Nor just before the Cardassian withdrawal. Using stardates would also mean that the Enterprise officially was at DS9 a total of three times: The beginning of "Emissary", the end of "Emissary" and a few days after the events of the DS9 episode "The Passenger" when the events of "Birthright, Part 1" occurred.
Ten secrets of the Cerritos seems inevitable now.
A little premature, innit?
Vuoto Pneumatico Non Non I understand and agree, but I also understand given the fact that they keep overloading almost every episode with tons of Trek Easter eggs... (almost to the level that, they’re looking like they’re overcompensating for lack of those eggs and acknowledgment in CBS’s other current Trek series)... there’s just too many homages and the motivations for those homages, for which a “10 List”, May be appropriate.
Ah yes, the U.S.S. Doritos, the flakiest ship in Starfleet.
@@Otokichi786 *crispiest, crunchiest ship
Doesn’t Voyager have an actual lift in engineering?
Maybe that one was utilizing hand-powered pulleys?
Enterprise D has a lift in engineering.
Indeed doesn’t one of Kirk’s also have one?
Those lifts are regular lifts, here, we were talking about turbolifts.
@Myself andI If that would be correct, it would suggest that the command section is within the upper area of the promenade.
@Myself andI that's physically the same lift from Voyager.
In the first season, Odo is looking at a passenger manifest and one of the previous destinations of the ship was Alderaan. Continuity confirmed.
Dukhat (Babylon5), Dukat (DS9), Zocolo (Babylon5), Promenade (DS9), Monorail (Babylon 5), Monorail (DS9), Spacestation near a planet (Epsilon 3; Babylon 5), Spacestation near a planet (Bajor, DS9). I hope JMS got some money from Paramount for plagiarizing his work or maybe a job offer as producer/writer, LOL 😆
Or at least, the continuity of "Star Wars exists within the history of this universe" with a dash of "someone let their nerd friend fill out the fake passenger manifest, and that nerd friend figured a Bajoran security officer probably doesn't know Earth pop culture"...
@@kennethmelnychuk9737 He did not get any money or credit from Paramount. He pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount before DS9 ever existed but they wouldn't accept all 5 seasons right away. They wanted to give him one season and maybe more if it went well. He wrote a 5 season story and wanted to make sure it was able to be told so he took his idea elsewhere. Shortly after, Paramount creates DS9 with a loooooot of similarities like you mentioned. Absolutely not a coincidence!
@@ChrisEllorris yup, any word on the B5 reboot? Last I heard is that they were still casting (?)
@@kennethmelnychuk9737 I've looked from time to time. Looks like production/development hell, to me.
TMP, TnG Voy, and ENT had functioning lifts on set, also.
The original promenade sounds like babylon 5 which also had a monorail
They started ds9 bc of Babylon.
@@cowboyuniverse7258 Yeah, JMS pitched B5 to Paramount first
Both are amazing shows for their own reasons.
@@micronoid oh hell yes, No argument from on that front, I loved B5 and DS9
Promenade is just the Zoccolo and DS9 is really just B5.
6:54 'By the time the show enters it's 6th, 7th and *8th* seasons ' ... hold up a minute ...
jockadoobee CBS All Access...
I like the pocket books that had the station continuing on as an outpost. Kira became the station commander, Ro Karen joined as head of security. Eventually they were folded into Star Fleet, Kira became a Captain (Defiant), Laren a commander. Kira would went on to become Kai and raised a family at some point. The books were good.
My favorite series of all time, I hope the "next generation" born after year 2000, gets to experience the joy and entertainment this kind of writing and quality brings to sci fi.
DS9 is the greatest Star Trek series and has the best captain.
No lies detected.
Amen
I disagree, I say Star Trek The Next Generation is the greatest Star Trek series.
Jared B with no doubt
Eh I like almost all the star treks similarly do love the captain though
7:53 Pretty sure there was a Sbarro's franchise on the Promenade, just down from the Orange Julius...
Gotta be a Micky Ds!
Starbucks..... I can't not.... Yep.
Tower of Babel(on 5) :D
Nice to see there is at least one other B5 fan around here. :) I liked both series, actually, but still think B5 is the better of the two overall.
TH-cam video: "Ten things YOU don't know about star trek"
Me: "pffft! we'll see about that!"
Me 17 minutes later:"Huh..."
Will definitely need to rewatch chain of command and look out for the promenade restaurant.
In the 2nd part of the pilot episode, they managed to get a "warp field" around the WHOLE station to move it close to the wormhole, STAKING it's claim on it. It almost instantly went from being in the middle of nowhere to the MOST important place in the Alpha Quadrant. To their date, it was probably the LARGEST object to obtain warp speed too. I love DS9!
That wasn't a warp field, at least not the same as ships use. And, it didn't achieve warp speed. They generated a "mass reduction field" (think Mass Effect) using the shield systems. This allowed them to move the station out of Bajor's orbit using thruster power without tearing the station apart.
Mike Okuda was a big fan of Buckaroo Banzai. Yoyodyne was something he would put in as an in-joke.
Also of quite a few anime shows like "the dirty pair" (they show up in some of his star charts).
“Q”....that name comes from “Quintessential” being...now we know....
There was a working lift in engineering on the enterprise
4. Alien Tower of Babel: "naah... if we do that Babylon 5 will definitively sue us"
And then Mass Effect came around and gave us the Citadel
The maker of Babylon 5 is pretty sure DS 9 is a rip off anyways
Pretty sure the Bible has the copyright claim to Tower of Babel. :D
Stargate Atlantis basically ran with that premise.
@@AnaMaria-wt3ix they pitched the idea of B5 to paramount and then a little later DS9 was conceived. So yes DS9 is a rip off of B5.
DS9 was the lonely Federation Outpost in disputed space , relations with the Cardassians were still tense when we saw the TV Pilot , this reality would go back and forth as time went on ...
The clarinet playing in the show theme was appropriate, it symbolized the lonely outpost far from Federation space - the clarion call.
Everything fitted together quite well I think , it’ll be difficult to replicate a Star Trek series with such quality in the future, and I’d be very surprised if it’s ever achieved.
I remember when DS9 was on the long forgotten UPN on TV, my Mother watched an episode with me and she said something that has stuck with me for years and it's absolutely true for all the TV shows of Star Trek, but I think more so with DS9, and that is, "So basically, this is a science fiction soap opera show." And Mom was absolutely correct. On a funny note the one that really looked and took the award for Sci-fi Soap Opera show, was Babylon 5. I loved that show, but now as an (older) adult I have all the seasons of Babylon 5 on DVD, and I can barely watch it, but I have since re-watched DS9 and it's simply timeless and easier to stomach lol. I have a really cool limited hard to find huge 1:850 scale model of DS9 station and I was horrified to find that the easy lighting model with clear parts that sounded cool but in reality it means the entire model is clear and will be a pain in the hinny to make. I couldn't believe it when I opened the box and said what the heck lol. I've been building and lighting star trek ships for years and years in truth I just make really cool lamps. But this is going to be a tough build being clear. Even came with a small Defiant and a Cardassian cruiser. Also all clear. Anyway, one of the best Star Trek shows in my opinion, was DS9 and absolutely bringing in the Defiant helped save the show. Favorite show and favorite ship. Thanks for reading, all be safe and well! 🖖
I remember that the Enterprise refit (in the movie) have elevators too in engineering, and Enterprise D have too, since episode 1 (functionals, I mean).
6:58 "Sixth, Seventh, & 8th Seasons"....sorry, how many??
Someone please confirm, but I am pretty sure The Man From U.N.C.L.E. appeared in The Original Series.
EDIT: MBLEEPR FBLEEPR! and GBLEEPD DBLEEPM IT! Five FBLEEPG TRIES TO GET THIS POST DONE! I HATE MY PHONE KEYBOARD!
Sorry for yelling. . .
Live Long and Prosper!
Great video...but I remember there being working lifts in Voyager and the Enterprise NX-O1's engineering rooms. There might also have been one in the Enterprise-E's engine room but I'm not 100% sure
Editing all your mistakes? That is a job with a lot of overtime.
dude you are hilarious. I found myself laughing out loud several times. The hollow-suite gag really had me rolling. Thanks for that!
I'm still trying to figure out how 2 full baseball teams + Odo managed to fit in one of Quark's holosuites, and still had room left to throw a ball.
All Star Trek "holo-things" have serious logical flaws... :-)
Whenever something like that happens: *a wizard did it.* 🧙♂️🖖
DS9 was left hanging after the last episode, literally.
Wasn't there also a functioning lift in the engine room of the Enterprise D TNG? 🤔
Yes, good point! 👍 The Enterprise-D engine room lift didn't represent a tubolift, but it was indeed a functioning lift.
NX-01 had one in the engine room. Trip said something about it when he was pregnant.
voyager has one as well
close to the warp core I think
Mt same thoughts. Functioning one man lifts were in engineering on the ships.
Elsewhere in the comments it's stated that engineering room on Enterprise D and Voyager were the same set,. Interesting if true.
The fact that he tied ds9 to the rifleman i know how to get my dad to watch now
Small correction, TNG had a moving lift in Engineering.
Wasn't there a lift in engineering in TNG? Or have I just dreamt that. 🤔
If I learned anything from this video it's what Adam would be using the holodeck for.
Some of us are still waiting for the Emissary to return.
Best Star Trek TV space battle is Operation Return in Sacrifice of Angels, fight me.
Apologies for the necro post but you mentioning the thing about starfleet officers and latinum is always something I've wondered about and then came to my own conclusion about. Given the IMMENSE amount of the stuff the federation clearly has access to (as evidenced in DS9: The Pale Moonlight) I'm guessing that use of it by their officers just counts as an, "Expense" you can shove on your company (Federation) card without having to worry about.
"...seasons 6, 7 & 8..." 8? The Infirmary was still all Cardassian computer interfaces. Otherwise, great video!
yeah i noticed that 8 as well slipped in there lol
I disagree with your #10: The First Appearance of DS9.
Whether or not whatever scenes where it was SUPPOSED TO HAVE APPEARED IN, and even the sets from the show, being redressed, that was NOT DS9.
If it was DS9, then just like one of your other points about the ultimate fate of the station not happening because it never appeared on screen and therefore is not cannon, the same logic must apply in that what appeared on screen was someplace elsewhere as stated on screen. Otherwise we have never seen the bridge of the Stargazer in TNG precisely because it was a redress of another bridge set.. and that is unacceptable.
So in TNG, the redressed DS9 sets used to represent someplace else are in fact that other place and not DS9 because of the stated on screen facts in exactly the same way that the redressed 1701A Bridge used to represent the Stargazer bridge is the Stargazer bridge because it is stated on screen as such, and therefore NOT the 1701A bridge it was redressed from.
I hope that 1; that makes sense, and that 2; I've correctly identified the specific bridge set that was redressed to represent the Stargazer bridge in my example. If not, then by all means substitute whatever actual bridge set it was originally used as, then redressed to Stargazer, as the point still stands intact.
Nice try though.
Just ended watching the series again last night. Still the best TV show...period!
While great, DS9 is not as Great as Farscape :)
Manzour Ahmed you watched the ENTIRE series in ONE night?
@@tarawallis9823 Yes, help being non corporeal!
Alien Tower of Babel ?? Cough Cough Babylon 5 Cough Cough :D its well know that J. Michael Straczynski created treatment and a “Bible” for Babylon 5 and that he pitched it to a series of TV networks in the late 80's including Paramount (which they kept for a year before returning it J. Michael Straczynski) and that Patricia Tallman (who played "Lyta" Alexander in Babylon 5 and LOTS of characters in multiple Star Trek series including Defiant's Weapon Officer in Way of the Warrior) but was also CEO and executive producer of Studio JMS stated their was a law suit between the companies that was settle "Quietly out of court" Even thought they end up becoming very diffrent TV shows you can still see these little threads in DS9 that were clearly "inspired" by Babylon 5 :D ps I love both shows was just interested as I had never head about the Alien Tower of Babel story before :D (and yes DS9 is the best Trek Show on all levels)
Holy moly, commercials before we even get the first entry.
Ds9 was so underrated. I watched after tng binge about 5 years ago and it is by far the greatest out of all shows
Absolutely! DS9 and TNG are my favourite Star Trek series.
This is my third video of this guy's series I've seen and I for sure won't go beyond this one, really reaching for content for videos on this one. About as long as that reach to connect DS9 to "possibly" being on a planet amd that simply because of the sets and that DS9 was already in the works means that was DS9 before it existed is a bit unnecessary just for a minute and a half of content. Plus super awkward now hiring start smh
lol "the only working lifts in startrek" see: voyager engineering.
he meant turbolift. in the u.k. lift is slang for elevator.
Money does exist in the Federation as the Federation credit. However the Frengi Quark included do not accept the Federation credit as legal tender.
No explanation is given as to why the frengi will only accept Latium but theories exist.
Yes please for the love of Kahless do an Enterprise E video!!!
If I was in charge of such a station I would at least repaint it, inside and out, to distance the station from its sordid past. I would still replace the systems with modern, safer Federation versions but the painting would be where I start. Hell, I may even use the funds generated from trade fees, tourism, and taxes to build a super station next door, in front of the very important wormhole, especially knowing it would soon become the central point of a galactic war.
DS9 as Star Trek's version of The Riffle Man is spot on. Never realized that before.
Here is one for you, it was pretty much a ripoff of Babylon 5. Yes DS9 aired before B5 but the idea for it goes back to when TNG had just started airing.
Demigod status aside proclaiming Captain Sisko as the best csptain in all star trek is a bit of a grandiose statement.
But there is no denying that he is one of the most brilliant and best captains we've had thus far.
Just for FUN....let me put , out this Question.. Would you be on a Ship ( not splitting hairs ) or on a Space Station?
Gunsmoke would probably have been a better reference than the rifleman
IF it was Gunsmoke, Odo would have been the main focus and Quark would have been Kitty....
just gotta figure out the timeline of the Chester years or Festus. and who would have been who
@@AndrewArndts hmmm ... If Odo was Matt .. wouldn't that make quark chester ? And then Garak festis ? And obviously Kira would be ms kitty ... Lol I love this line of speculation btw
@@thedreadpiratewesley2301 Please note these are "Character" parallels not gender. so with that, Kitty owned the bar, therefore Quark is Kitty... Now doing some digging as Gunsmoke was well before my time though syndication Plus Radio Classic channel on Sirius XM plays Gunsmoke.. ANY how.. Worf though held the StarFleet Position of Security BUT he kinda is Chester to Odo's being Matt. And yet Nothing for Sisko and son so if anything it is a blend of The Rifleman and Gunsmoke with a dash of Say Maverick to include the reboot of the series Kira is the Newspaper owner from the reboot and well Garak can be sorta Maverick if you take the Gambler/Con artist and turn it into espionage. Okay perhaps I maybe stretching... but One last Stretch Take The Rifleman and blend it with "The Courtship of Eddie's Father... That is the story parallel for Sisko and Jake.
@@AndrewArndts some of that went over my head ... Mostly because I hate the colored gunsmokes .Ive never seen the second decade of the show really , but Kira is ms kitty not because of gender but because she's Odos "forbidden love interest" , you could say the she runs the station like ms kitty ran the bar ... And quark is chester because hes always trying to impress Odo , albeit in a different kind of way , like chester was always trying to impress "MR DILLON ! MR DILLON!" , he's Odos sidekick early on ... Then later they move to Garak always being with odo , like festis Garak has an edge to him , they're both hidden badasses . With shady pasts but are generally good people . . And of course you have o'brien and doctor bashir with the classic Laramie best friends plot . O'brien is Slim , bashir is Jess ..
There was an operational lift in TNG. Picard used it in the Engine Room in Encounter at Farpoint.
#5 - there were little mini lifts in the Enterprise D's engineering set that lifted one person at a time up to the upper level.
The Rifleman reference is a great point - never thought of it that way, but I completely agree.
Ds9? Things I don't know? Sounds improbable
I like that you tried to clone Kris before looking elsewhere Adam. That's very sweet of you. :)
But I must point out you forgot to mention the white, tailed chimps patrolling E-Level hyperspace. Or... hang on... no, no, that was a different space station...
And yes, in case you're wondering, I *do* have to make an unfunny Uplift joke on each of these videos. It's in the contract.
You know, though, the one thing I really want you to tell me, Adam, is actually about the Discovery, of all ships. 'cause you know, if Picard's Enterprise got to have a dolphin crew, then I gotta know...
...did Lorca have orcas?
The Federation claims not to have money - but they have credits. That is essentially a currency. Its a LIE
Harry Kim talks about becoming "broke" if he paid Quark for gems and stuff.
Beverly purchases cloth on the first episode of TNG etc.
It's never really clarified, but the general fan theory is that they do have a currency system to interact with outsiders, but internally they don't have to pay for anything.
There are also some issues with that in TOS where Kirk docks a crewmate's pay for some infraction, but I assume that Roddenberry didn't have the lore fully in place yet at that point.
"by the time the show enters its sixth, seventh and EIGHT season", Ooooooh that's not good.
Way to much unnecessary talking in between the facts. Sorry had to abort this one :D
nice little touch on that ATM thing:
in star trek online's version of DS9 that console is a "gold pressed latinum conversion unit"
It's cannon that Picard is the greatest captain in all of Star Trek. It's fine if YOU think he's the best or if he's your favorite, but Picard is the most celebrated and respected, even more than Kirk. Kirk was a legend, but he was thought of as a loose cannon. Picard accomplished more and had far more respect and clout.
Sisko was a big deal on Bajor, I'll grant him that. But even Janeway kept Q's fascination. Q got bored with Sisko after one episode and then forgot about him.
Cheif O'Brian is my favorite character. Hes great as Thomas Durant aswell
He's your favourite, but you don't like him enough to know how his name is spelled. Interesting...
Star Trek Enterprise also had functioning lifts...
#1 how to copy Babylon 5 without copying Babylon 5 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
babylon 5 came out a year after ds9
@@kristophertower3476 DS9 is wholesale theft from B5. Look it up.
@@mostlymessingabout how can that be if ds9 came out first?
@@kristophertower3476 B5 was pitched. Then they turned it down. And made the series anyway. Some characters have similar names for a reason. I like both but this is was happened
@@mostlymessingabout hmmm....i never watched B5 before...i downloaded the first season but i havent watched it yet
Yoyodyne is in Buckaroo Banzai, yes. But originally the name stems from Thomas Pynchon's novels "Gravity's Rainbow" and "The Crying of Lot 49".
How about a "Top 10 list why Kira is the best character in Trek"?
Actually it should be a Top 10 list on why Morn is the best character on Star Trek. Not one word said on screen and still had a completely interesting story.
Her in that leather outfit will take places 1 thru 9!
@@migueljonz3901 I was never a big fan of Kira, but the alternate universe Kira was awesome.
@jockadoobee eh I'd take Dax over Kira any day. I like a woman who knows what she wants and how to get it. I imagine 7 lifetimes teaches you a trick or two.
Brydon the hell with Kira. Keiko was far better.
Of the "Next Generation" series ST:DS9 was THE BEST!!! ST:NG and ST:V were just sad in comparison.
Now that you mention it, I too would like to see that OnlyFans announcement.
For bein "seedy" Quark ACTUALLY was rather noble an even honorable at the show's end.
We NEED is a Trek show that's POST DS9 AND VOYAGER. Something akin to what Online does THAT'D be a great show for a good new crew in a series styled in the the Voyager, DS9, TNG flavor.. ya know, the last REALLY good era of Trek TV
Does the editor get to meet Danny Bonaduce
The mining equipment was probably useless once they moved the station out of orbit... and of course I’m sure Bajor would have said, “You want us to mine ore for you?!”
As a DS9 fanatic, thank you for making this. Before you do the Enterprise-E, can we get the "10 things you need to know about the USS Defiant NX-74205"?
And the NX-01
The enterprise NXO1, D, E and Voyager also had functioning lifts in Engineering
Good stuff!
10:51 - no one wants to point out the GIANT alien next to the monorail? -- tha twould have been awesome to see on the station