Indian is knocking it out of the park again. The two new engines are incredible but the 111 is still a beast. As a Victory owner I see so much of the Victory in the new Indians. My next bike will be a Indian for sure !
Once again, another fantastic job! Thank you. You have quickly become my favorite bike reviewer. Your production quality is top notch as is your information. Plus you have the perfect voice for this kind of work. Hats off and keep it up!
I just wish Indian would produce a lightweight, street legal, close interpretation of their 750 flat tracker. Guzzi and Yamaha have had great success recently in the 700cc range. With the race winning pedigree of the FTR750, they would attract a younger audience. The blingy FTR1200 is soulless to me.
Excellent update... I like it...very much! The fact that it is a large cruiser/tourer bike having a V twin with real horsepower, ride modes LIQUID cooling, (down here in Texas, that's a good thing)...the engine sounds like the real deal. Really looking forward to seeing the bike that they put it in. Harley really needs to take the same step...in my humble opinion.
Test rode the challenger what a ride! For cruiser it was super quick. Suspension was amazing and ate up rough roads with ease. The will be taking my money by spring.
The industry is moving toward increased HP/weight ratios and a water cooled, 121HP engine from Indian appears to be good timing. This can compete with Triumph Rocket III and Ducati Diavel. Harley-Davidson needs a response to move beyond their antique designs.
Different market segments. Nobody (o.k. MOST folks) aren’t trying to pack up and push a Diavel or Rocket III across the U.S. those are mid range muscle cruisers at best. They WILL do that on Challengers and Road Glides. Different segments all together.
Honestly this is a big bike I would totally buy depending on its looks. Air cooled is great, don't get me wrong, but the power and performance potential from this motor has me interested. If I had a bot more spare cash I'd be straight on it. Same as the FTR. I love Indians current design aesthetic and would happily buy any of their lineup new, except the classics etc. I much prefer the dark horse styling.
They stopped making victory because they were not making money on them so what are the other motorcycle brands are you taking about show proof of what your saying
All looks good to me. The days of the air cooled motor are almost numbered so all the 'traditional' engined manufacturers are going to be releasing watercooled models, as harley is. The only downside is the noise doesn't sound that great. I hope it sounds better in the flesh or with aftermarket pipes fitted....
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ I wouldn't only buy a vehicle because it sounded good, but if people didn't care what noise their bikes made then aftermarket exhausts wouldn't exist and harley wouldn't have tried to copyright the 'potato potato'!
Actually the Power Plus was patented by Victory several yeas ago. I'm sure that is still available for viewing @ US Patent Office. This was the intended replacement for the Victory 106 Freedom motor.
@@motoGPness I think that the Freedom motors are going to have historic longevity. They're like dirt...they ain't making any more so yus gonna hav to dance wif the one who brung ya for a good long time. It's going to be intersting to see how many miles they go. 300,000? 400,000? Time will tell.
Good looking bike. I think manufacturers sometimes have to put their toe in the water, so to speak, to gauge reaction from not just their existing customers but potential new customers who demand more modern equipment. Thanks for the video. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
It cracks me up that they say 1901 yes Indian came out in 1901 but what you are looking at is not an Indian that is a Polaris basically a victory with Indian name on it and the engine along with the bike still looks like a metric bike
@@genericallyaccepted there is nothing narrow-minded about the truth there is nothing on that bike that is Indian Polaris bought the name got rid of victory and put the Indian name and logo on a victory bike the original Indian manufacturing is long gone it would be great to see Indian come back and buy it back from Polaris and start making great motorcycles again and I can tell you they wouldn't be full of plastic
It will kill HD on the spec sheet. I just watched a vid of a Harley salesman and how Indian keeps copying HD, yet he never spoke about the engine the frame or the inverted forks. He sounded a little nervous about the release of the Challenger.
Dan Bogardo , I agree. Matt has done some great reviews on the HD but to hear him bash Indian because it’s got a fixed fairing saying they’re copying HD is crap. HD is stuck in the past with no innovation with their touring bikes. They throw a better radio and some other new functions but they still have the same shitty ride as before. I’d buy a new HD soft tail before buying another HD touring bike. I’m really liking the new Indians. At least they’re trying to listen to riders and bring new stuff to the market.
Vladimir Putin official - the URAL is awesome. It’s on my wish list. That and a Vanderhall. I do love my 2019 Indian Chieftain Dark Horse 111. But the URAL is a bad ass looking bike for sure!
It’s considered a motorcycle, just like the URAL. I heard it best said that if the Slingshot is Batman then the Vanderhall is James Bond. We could probably fit you and the URAL into that saying somewhere. Like if the URAL is Putin then the Vespa is Obama... lol.
Looks like a hunk of plastic in a kids bike. Vroom Vroom. Id wait 7 years to find out how many flaws are in the engineering and manufacture. At least you know Japanese bikes generally are bulletproof. If dealers were not ripping people off for the remaining Victory parts I'd rather have one of them.
Liquid cooling is where it’s at and quite frankly Harley-Davidson needs to cool their motors down. Also Indians gear drive is smoother unlike Harley’s chain primary which is an item Harley needs to copy and use.
I don't care about paper specs when it comes to a cruiser! All I want is a good looking engine which Indian makes and a reliable engine that can get me around a slower car on the highway without having to downshift which again Indian does as well. In other words harley and Indians are great bikes that comes down to just looks which for me harley takes the cake!
Harley dudes getting frantic over this, screaming they stole their road glide design. It doesnt look nothing like it imo. Sure all touring bikes have a similar shape style, but it is in no way a copy.
I agree, it’s a similar design but not a Harley-Davidson copy. But Harley-Davidson can take a hint on liquid cooling to cool those motors down, also Harley-Davidson should consider a gear drive primary in lieu of their chain primary.
Gut-Z Guy I never seen Harley panic so much! I think Indian is really pushing Harley in a place they don’t want to be! Harley was too busy trying to push a politically correct $33,000 tax’s fees stripped down motor scooter to the man bun crowd. Good luck with that! And then here comes Indian.. Lol Competition is a good thing for all of us!
@@paulhealey8221 amen. Absolutely agree. Harley needs to be forced to up their game through competition and Indian is going after them for sure no doubt.
Only thing I can see new 108 to victory 106 is dual over head cam. Wish Indian has air cleaner under tank like victory. Don't like air cleaner side the engine, one big reason I love my victory.
Well more than likely but it has to be proven over time under real conditions with average every day riders to say it’s the best at this point in time is cynical to say the least
@@raymeador2243 And your point is? Indian went out of business. In 1953. AMF did by Harley Davidson, but the Motor Company has continually made motor cycles since 1903. The same cannot be said of Indian. Perhaps that's why it says "established in 1901" on the Indians. Harley Davidson has "since 1903" in it's literature. The rights the the Indian name were sold several times to people who promised bikes, but they didn't have deep enough pockets to follow through. At least this time the name was bought by a company with the money to develop some nice machines.
You would think Harley would have put that beautiful Looking V rod engine in one of their touring models and still offer the air cooled M8 as well. I think HarleyDavidson made a big blunder trying to push a politically correct $33,000 (taxes fees) stripped down electric motor scooter to the skinny jean man bun crowd . Harley should have been busy improving their touring lineup instead, and now Harley Davidson is looking over their shoulder and watching Indian slowly gain market share each year.
Paul Healey can’t argue with that. Although, if you look at their upcoming models like the Pan America and the custom 1200 you’ll find an eerily familiar engine platform. Don’t see why they had to scrap so many good bike lines for these underwhelming consolation prizes. The revolution will live on!
Weren't the first Power Plus engines the one with the soft Chinese/Japanese cranks ? Not all "cranked" up to be what they are. Who actually makes what parts ?
Can it compete with Harley? HA! It'll smash them. Sat on this new model just today in central USA. $22k USD base price, with all-in options and whistles, $28k USD. With all that power and excellent USD forks, radial Brembos, excellent paint/fit/finish, electronics.... Harley is left trying to catch its breath.
Agree with all except paint. HD does far better paint than Indian. Ive had 2 HD’s and am on my second Indian. Indian paint sucks ass! Everything else they do better.
@@motoGPness I'm not opposed to riding a cruiser for the fun of it. I've demo'd loads of bikes in the recent couple of decades, including cruisers. Well over 50 bikes from various manufacturers. But I cannot get over the absolute performance bargain that Japan offers in motorcycles. Certainly in the sporty bikes, you can get some ridiculously high prices (Germany and Italy for example). But in the general sense, for less than 15 grand new, you can get plenty of technology, comfort, speed, lean angle, fuel efficiency, engine longevity and smoothness, horsepower, reliability, relatively low service costs, reasonable insurance rates, aftermarket compatibility, and plenty of machine to grow into without getting a HD or Indian.
@@exothermal.sprocket Yes the Japanese offerings are hard to beat in certain segments. The heavy bagger market isn’t exactly a miserly segment of motorcycles and that is the only segment the PP108 is currently in. Name me one new bike available for $15k that is competitive with an Indian Challenger? Of course I can get a Yamaha MT10 that would be a fraction of the cost, faster, low service cost, more lean angle etc... but I wouldn’t even consider it to put my wife on and ride from Virginia to California. The Goldwing is the nearest competitor and the bags on that are tiny, ergonomics are trash, it looks like a giant moped. I could’ve saved a few bucks and went that route but the Challenger was a better bike so I was ok paying more money. There’s guys with over 300k mi. On their Indian TS 111’s and many more on Victory 106’s who are still chugging along with no issues so I’m not worried about the 108 being a solid motor. Polaris has proven they make a good power train as far as I’m concerned. Ive had plenty of Japanese machines and they never let me down, but neither have my HD’s or my Indians. I think its all about comparing bikes within the same segment.
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I ride a roadmaster and after having put 120,000 miles on it in under 4 years, I believe Indian has a much better bike than any harley I've ridden. I further believe Indian is coming on very strong with these future models. To my friends who are died in the wool Harley guys, sick it up buttercup!
I hear you referring to the ENGINE as a Motor.?.... You do understand that these cycles don't have a MOTOR powering them. It's an ENGINE. Engines run on combustion. Motors run on electric. So, my question is......... Why are they called MOTORCYCLES...And not called.. ENGINE CYCLES... ???
Mmmmm! Another motor for another cruiser. Come on Indian, if you want to expand your range world wide you need to produce more non US style cruisers. The FTR 1200 was a big step in the right direction but much more is needed.
@@quantum_coach fair enough, how would you design a basic cruiser? They all end up looking very similar in each respective category. Adventure bikes look like adventure bikes, crotch rockets look like crotch rockets, baggers look like baggers. HD doesn’t own the patent on any of these styles. HD has been running on that whole “they copied us” shtick for far too long. Similar, maybe but copy? No way, just their version of a bike from the same category as the Road Glide. The profile and curves are different, the entire windshield setup is different, the bags are different, the frame is different, the tank is different. These may be components, but they are visible components and to say they are a copy is just purely false. They don’t even look the same. Same could be said about the Yamaha Eluder, it had similarities, but no way was it a copy of the RG.
Absolutely there's nothing Indian about that bike at all Indian has been gone a long time in Indian would not design such a piece of plastic looking metric bike that is a victory with the Indian name on it as we all know
@Richard Watson Jr. lol that's great Trust me I'm in no way But Hurt I'm just stating a fact and the truth my buddy has a 1999 Indian with the S&S motor that's the way they came that year and it doesn't have a bunch of plastic on it you're just not getting it you don't see or understand what I'm talking about it's obvious you probably have been riding Japanese bikes all your life
@Richard Watson Jr. HARLEY DAVIDSON =💯 quality since 1903 family owned and operated to this day steel building motorcycles out of the same place and still have some family members running it Willie G is one of them 116 years only been bought out one time and WILLIE. G. and friends bought it back otherwise if any other company would have like Polaris it wouldn't have survived all these years after the fact good luck with wish you the best hopefully you won't get screwed like all the people that bought victories when they thought victory was doing so well and don't forget this isn't the first time Indian has been bought out by a company and not MADE IT SUCCESSFULLY!!
Most everything that rolls over the earth with wheels under it is water cooled these days. With Euro5, it's going to be even harder for cruiser brands to ignore the liquid elixir.
Indian is knocking it out of the park again. The two new engines are incredible but the 111 is still a beast. As a Victory owner I see so much of the Victory in the new Indians. My next bike will be a Indian for sure !
That's because it is a victory it is not an Indian it's a victory with an Indian name on the bike that's the only thing Indian about that bike
Keep your Vic,there about to become a modern day classic.
Loved the sound and reliability of the oil-cooled Victory engines. They were as reliable and solid as a stone axe.
@@robw3761 You can call it whatever you want, it’s a beast either way.
@@robw3761Who cares. Its not a shtty Harley.
Once again, another fantastic job! Thank you. You have quickly become my favorite bike reviewer. Your production quality is top notch as is your information. Plus you have the perfect voice for this kind of work. Hats off and keep it up!
I just wish Indian would produce a lightweight, street legal, close interpretation of their 750 flat tracker. Guzzi and Yamaha have had great success recently in the 700cc range. With the race winning pedigree of the FTR750, they would attract a younger audience. The blingy FTR1200 is soulless to me.
Peter Ansel I’m waiting for it too. It’s ridiculous 🙄
Absolutely Indian motorcycles is targeting the younger riders ! ! !
Excellent update... I like it...very much! The fact that it is a large cruiser/tourer bike having a V twin with real horsepower, ride modes LIQUID cooling, (down here in Texas, that's a good thing)...the engine sounds like the real deal. Really looking forward to seeing the bike that they put it in. Harley really needs to take the same step...in my humble opinion.
Thanks Mark!
Test rode the challenger what a ride! For cruiser it was super quick. Suspension was amazing and ate up rough roads with ease. The will be taking my money by spring.
The industry is moving toward increased HP/weight ratios and a water cooled, 121HP engine from Indian appears to be good timing. This can compete with Triumph Rocket III and Ducati Diavel. Harley-Davidson needs a response to move beyond their antique designs.
Dear Eric Buell .,, can you help us design a Modern Liquid cooled overhead cam engine .. Thanks Hardly Abelson ..
Different market segments. Nobody (o.k. MOST folks) aren’t trying to pack up and push a Diavel or Rocket III across the U.S. those are mid range muscle cruisers at best. They WILL do that on Challengers and Road Glides. Different segments all together.
Diavel does 160 easy so lil more then midrange power
All I can say is that the challenger is gonna be awesome!!!
121 hp! that's as much as my Ford Ranger!
More importantly 131ft/lbs torque...
@Richard Watson Jr. I wonder if it can hang with a V65 Magna?
I’m hearing 122 Horsepower! Maybe one horse got loose!
It’s a who has the biggest balls smallest penis thing the will never beat a Honda
It's impressive for cruiser HP and torque, but it's not impressive for sportsbike HP and torque.
There is something special about the look of a 60 degree V twin engine.
Honestly this is a big bike I would totally buy depending on its looks. Air cooled is great, don't get me wrong, but the power and performance potential from this motor has me interested. If I had a bot more spare cash I'd be straight on it. Same as the FTR. I love Indians current design aesthetic and would happily buy any of their lineup new, except the classics etc. I much prefer the dark horse styling.
My next bike, when I buy my 15th bike it will be the Limited or this new beast I'm old but still can twist the throttle
Indians appear to make really good engines.
The BEST!!
Buy at your own risk. Polaris has been known to drop motorcycle brands at the drop of a hat and leave all the owners in the lurch.
They stopped making victory because they were not making money on them so what are the other motorcycle brands are you taking about show proof of what your saying
It might attract Younger Riders.. It make appeal to owners of Big -4 Japanese Liquid cooled V-Twin Owners..
Those who prefer innovation and function over "tradition".
All looks good to me. The days of the air cooled motor are almost numbered so all the 'traditional' engined manufacturers are going to be releasing watercooled models, as harley is. The only downside is the noise doesn't sound that great. I hope it sounds better in the flesh or with aftermarket pipes fitted....
Agree - the milwaukee 8 Harleys don't sound anywhere near as good as the air cooled models.
Yeah... but if you are buying a vehicle because it sounds cool, than that Southpark episode described you perfectly...
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ I wouldn't only buy a vehicle because it sounded good, but if people didn't care what noise their bikes made then aftermarket exhausts wouldn't exist and harley wouldn't have tried to copyright the 'potato potato'!
Actually the Power Plus was patented by Victory several yeas ago. I'm sure that is still available for viewing @ US Patent Office. This was the intended replacement for the Victory 106 Freedom motor.
Yup, no doubt. The 106 is still a great motor so its a good thing that the 108 is based on such solid ground.
@@motoGPness I think that the Freedom motors are going to have historic longevity. They're like dirt...they ain't making any more so yus gonna hav to dance wif the one who brung ya for a good long time. It's going to be intersting to see how many miles they go. 300,000? 400,000? Time will tell.
Good looking bike. I think manufacturers sometimes have to put their toe in the water, so to speak, to gauge reaction from not just their existing customers but potential new customers who demand more modern equipment. Thanks for the video. Regards, Bob M. South Wales
That's true bob - they've got enough pushrod 2 valve bikes in the range. One modern tourer won't hurt to see if there's anything in it for them!
The engine is good but build a good looking bike
Frank Mlchael Glasscock
Yeah, I love the looks of the scouts, but the baggers have too much “wrapping.”
It cracks me up that they say 1901 yes Indian came out in 1901 but what you are looking at is not an Indian that is a Polaris basically a victory with Indian name on it and the engine along with the bike still looks like a metric bike
@@robw3761 it's that narrow-minded way of thinking that I find hilarious.
@@genericallyaccepted there is nothing narrow-minded about the truth there is nothing on that bike that is Indian Polaris bought the name got rid of victory and put the Indian name and logo on a victory bike the original Indian manufacturing is long gone it would be great to see Indian come back and buy it back from Polaris and start making great motorcycles again and I can tell you they wouldn't be full of plastic
@@robw3761 these are the new Indians. How do you not understand that? Things evolve
Will they make a big bore kit ?
I want that 108 power Plus in the no fairing darkhorse.
Can't wait!
in those kind of bike i dont really like 4v ohc,,,i would prefer the scout 60 at 50 hp with a full trad engine
It will kill HD on the spec sheet. I just watched a vid of a Harley salesman and how Indian keeps copying HD, yet he never spoke about the engine the frame or the inverted forks. He sounded a little nervous about the release of the Challenger.
Dan Bogardo , I agree. Matt has done some great reviews on the HD but to hear him bash Indian because it’s got a fixed fairing saying they’re copying HD is crap. HD is stuck in the past with no innovation with their touring bikes. They throw a better radio and some other new functions but they still have the same shitty ride as before. I’d buy a new HD soft tail before buying another HD touring bike. I’m really liking the new Indians. At least they’re trying to listen to riders and bring new stuff to the market.
Dan Bogardo - HD ego is so big anything with two wheels and a seat is a copy an HD. They are lost indeed.
Id like to see them do a mid size bike, kinda like Harley softials, with this engine.
Hope it can compete with Ural bike's
Vladimir Putin official - the URAL is awesome. It’s on my wish list. That and a Vanderhall. I do love my 2019 Indian Chieftain Dark Horse 111. But the URAL is a bad ass looking bike for sure!
@@bjweaver3333 just saw vanderhall video... Is it car or bike anyway looks super thrilling 🔥💥💢💦💯
It’s considered a motorcycle, just like the URAL. I heard it best said that if the Slingshot is Batman then the Vanderhall is James Bond. We could probably fit you and the URAL into that saying somewhere. Like if the URAL is Putin then the Vespa is Obama... lol.
I’d say they’ve put HD on notice
Looks like a hunk of plastic in a kids bike. Vroom Vroom. Id wait 7 years to find out how many flaws are in the engineering and manufacture. At least you know Japanese bikes generally are bulletproof. If dealers were not ripping people off for the remaining Victory parts I'd rather have one of them.
As an Indian tech.....these motors have no flaws.
There going in the right direction , Harley can’t compete if they keep going in this direction !!
Liquid cooling is where it’s at and quite frankly Harley-Davidson needs to cool their motors down. Also Indians gear drive is smoother unlike Harley’s chain primary which is an item Harley needs to copy and use.
Harley is too money humgry to sell a reliable product such as a gear primary or a gear driven cams.
great, great video! that powerplus engine is going to sell out real quick. H-D better get it together....
Thanks mark!
Does the Indian Challenger come with a Hemi?
Tim Regan why did they name it after a space shuttle that blew up?
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ Maybe it was named after a steam locomotive, Union Pacific's 3985 which was built in the early 1940's.
Le moto sono diventate bene di lusso ,con quel che costano a comprarle e a mantenerle..moto indian una delle mie preferite..
I don't care about paper specs when it comes to a cruiser! All I want is a good looking engine which Indian makes and a reliable engine that can get me around a slower car on the highway without having to downshift which again Indian does as well. In other words harley and Indians are great bikes that comes down to just looks which for me harley takes the cake!
Now, build a better looking bike to go around this powerful engine.
Harley dudes getting frantic over this, screaming they stole their road glide design. It doesnt look nothing like it imo. Sure all touring bikes have a similar shape style, but it is in no way a copy.
I can see some similarities in the front end, but that tank is pure Indian. Let’s see when we get a proper look at it!
I agree, it’s a similar design but not a Harley-Davidson copy. But Harley-Davidson can take a hint on liquid cooling to cool those motors down, also Harley-Davidson should consider a gear drive primary in lieu of their chain primary.
@@wooddawg4868 agree 100 percent 👍
Gut-Z Guy I never seen Harley panic so much! I think Indian is really pushing Harley in a place they don’t want to be! Harley was too busy trying to push a politically correct $33,000 tax’s fees stripped down motor scooter to the man bun crowd. Good luck with that! And then here comes Indian.. Lol
Competition is a good thing for all of us!
@@paulhealey8221 amen. Absolutely agree. Harley needs to be forced to up their game through competition and Indian is going after them for sure no doubt.
Only thing I can see new 108 to victory 106 is dual over head cam. Wish Indian has air cleaner under tank like victory. Don't like air cleaner side the engine, one big reason I love my victory.
Well more than likely but it has to be proven over time under real conditions with average every day riders to say it’s the best at this point in time is cynical to say the least
Silly to put est 1901 on the engine when the authentic company ended long ago and nothing survives from then except the use of the name.
You could say the same about Harley
Thers alot of old Indians around also the Gilroy era Indian and the KM Indians
Ooh you do know AMF bought Harley in 1969
@@raymeador2243 And your point is? Indian went out of business. In 1953. AMF did by Harley Davidson, but the Motor Company has continually made motor cycles since 1903. The same cannot be said of Indian. Perhaps that's why it says "established in 1901" on the Indians. Harley Davidson has "since 1903" in it's literature. The rights the the Indian name were sold several times to people who promised bikes, but they didn't have deep enough pockets to follow through. At least this time the name was bought by a company with the money to develop some nice machines.
@@gkl6566 than should it state 1903 and 1981
The Indian motor is getting closer and closer to the quality of the Victory motor. Hmmm Polaris owns Indian...Shocker....lol
It’s no v-rod
You would think Harley would have put that beautiful Looking V rod engine in one of their touring models and still offer the air cooled M8 as well. I think HarleyDavidson made a big blunder trying to push a politically correct $33,000 (taxes fees) stripped down electric motor scooter to the skinny jean man bun crowd . Harley should have been busy improving their touring lineup instead, and now Harley Davidson is looking over their shoulder and watching Indian slowly gain market share each year.
Paul Healey can’t argue with that. Although, if you look at their upcoming models like the Pan America and the custom 1200 you’ll find an eerily familiar engine platform. Don’t see why they had to scrap so many good bike lines for these underwhelming consolation prizes. The revolution will live on!
Absolutely, it's no vrod. ...duhhh, it's much better...
Weren't the first Power Plus engines the one with the soft Chinese/Japanese cranks ? Not all "cranked" up to be what they are.
Who actually makes what parts ?
Can it compete with Harley? HA! It'll smash them.
Sat on this new model just today in central USA. $22k USD base price, with all-in options and whistles, $28k USD. With all that power and excellent USD forks, radial Brembos, excellent paint/fit/finish, electronics.... Harley is left trying to catch its breath.
Agree with all except paint. HD does far better paint than Indian. Ive had 2 HD’s and am on my second Indian. Indian paint sucks ass! Everything else they do better.
@@motoGPness I'm not opposed to riding a cruiser for the fun of it. I've demo'd loads of bikes in the recent couple of decades, including cruisers. Well over 50 bikes from various manufacturers. But I cannot get over the absolute performance bargain that Japan offers in motorcycles.
Certainly in the sporty bikes, you can get some ridiculously high prices (Germany and Italy for example). But in the general sense, for less than 15 grand new, you can get plenty of technology, comfort, speed, lean angle, fuel efficiency, engine longevity and smoothness, horsepower, reliability, relatively low service costs, reasonable insurance rates, aftermarket compatibility, and plenty of machine to grow into without getting a HD or Indian.
@@exothermal.sprocket Yes the Japanese offerings are hard to beat in certain segments. The heavy bagger market isn’t exactly a miserly segment of motorcycles and that is the only segment the PP108 is currently in. Name me one new bike available for $15k that is competitive with an Indian Challenger? Of course I can get a Yamaha MT10 that would be a fraction of the cost, faster, low service cost, more lean angle etc... but I wouldn’t even consider it to put my wife on and ride from Virginia to California. The Goldwing is the nearest competitor and the bags on that are tiny, ergonomics are trash, it looks like a giant moped. I could’ve saved a few bucks and went that route but the Challenger was a better bike so I was ok paying more money. There’s guys with over 300k mi. On their Indian TS 111’s and many more on Victory 106’s who are still chugging along with no issues so I’m not worried about the 108 being a solid motor. Polaris has proven they make a good power train as far as I’m concerned. Ive had plenty of Japanese machines and they never let me down, but neither have my HD’s or my Indians. I think its all about comparing bikes within the same segment.
@@motoGPness Polaris has made solid powertrains. Arguably much better designs than Harley from the start.
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Looks like a re-purposed Harley V-Rod engine.
106 freedom engine equal Victory
Should have been a 128 cu in
I ride a roadmaster and after having put 120,000 miles on it in under 4 years, I believe Indian has a much better bike than any harley I've ridden. I further believe Indian is coming on very strong with these future models. To my friends who are died in the wool Harley guys, sick it up buttercup!
Why does Indian -- unlike ALL of their competitors -- REFUSE to include SiriusXM in their audio system?
I hear you referring to the ENGINE as a Motor.?.... You do understand that these cycles don't have a MOTOR powering them. It's an ENGINE. Engines run on combustion. Motors run on electric. So, my question is......... Why are they called MOTORCYCLES...And not called.. ENGINE CYCLES... ???
William Cornman actually a motor can run on electric OR internal combustion. Just sayin
@@craigdugan3443 .... Fact is the motor has to be altered to run on combustion.
@@craigdugan3443 ... And still I don't understand why they call them motorcycle. And not enginecycle.... Since it runs on combustion....LOL
The term has always been used loosely like the auto industry. Ford motors, General Motors and so on.
We don't call them engine cycles, dumb ass. .
Mmmmm! Another motor for another cruiser. Come on Indian, if you want to expand your range world wide you need to produce more non US style cruisers. The FTR 1200 was a big step in the right direction but much more is needed.
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I have more laziness than the designer of the Indian Challenger...
Ctrl+c on HD...Ctrl+v on Indian...done!
Oh yeah the frame, engine, Bosch ECM, traction control, upside down forks, power adjustable windshield, 100W 6.5” factory sound system, radial mounted Brembo mono block calipers, stainless braided brake lines (stock). Pretty much the same bike! SMH....
@@motoGPness You're mentioning equipment, I was talking about design, about the looks...
@@quantum_coach fair enough, how would you design a basic cruiser? They all end up looking very similar in each respective category. Adventure bikes look like adventure bikes, crotch rockets look like crotch rockets, baggers look like baggers. HD doesn’t own the patent on any of these styles. HD has been running on that whole “they copied us” shtick for far too long. Similar, maybe but copy? No way, just their version of a bike from the same category as the Road Glide. The profile and curves are different, the entire windshield setup is different, the bags are different, the frame is different, the tank is different. These may be components, but they are visible components and to say they are a copy is just purely false. They don’t even look the same. Same could be said about the Yamaha Eluder, it had similarities, but no way was it a copy of the RG.
est 1901. Who are they kidding.
splodge 57
Absolutely there's nothing Indian about that bike at all Indian has been gone a long time in Indian would not design such a piece of plastic looking metric bike that is a victory with the Indian name on it as we all know
Harley sure isn't swaying anyone these days
@Richard Watson Jr. lol that's great Trust me I'm in no way But Hurt I'm just stating a fact and the truth my buddy has a 1999 Indian with the S&S motor that's the way they came that year and it doesn't have a bunch of plastic on it you're just not getting it you don't see or understand what I'm talking about it's obvious you probably have been riding Japanese bikes all your life
@Richard Watson Jr. HARLEY DAVIDSON =💯 quality since 1903 family owned and operated to this day steel building motorcycles out of the same place and still have some family members running it Willie G is one of them 116 years only been bought out one time and WILLIE. G. and friends bought it back otherwise if any other company would have like Polaris it wouldn't have survived all these years after the fact good luck with wish you the best hopefully you won't get screwed like all the people that bought victories when they thought victory was doing so well and don't forget this isn't the first time Indian has been bought out by a company and not MADE IT SUCCESSFULLY!!
Harley is going to be in a world of hurt!
skandix I’ve been saying the same thing
Good looking motor, but I'll keep my 20 year old EVO motor! Dependability over speed!Plus I don't care for water cooled motors.
Most everything that rolls over the earth with wheels under it is water cooled these days. With Euro5, it's going to be even harder for cruiser brands to ignore the liquid elixir.
Old news. The Harley guys have been crying copy since last week lol.
LOL, Bringing back 1920... pff nope
Beautiful engine, too bad the bikes are so ugly (except for the FTR) :)
The engine got good number and look like a victory motor, but the bike is super ugly and the need to come with better names for their bikes.