TM2 Cheetor was terrible. I always thought it was the worst version of him and the toy is even worse as it's about as articulate as a G1 Transformer. The cannon on his back is also designed to be removable and has a handle so he can hold it except the way his hands are designed he can't actually hold anything so it's best to leave that gun on his back. Also you kept referring to Transmutate as a "him", she is female. The design of the character was intended to be "vaguely female" and she was voiced by Susan Blu. What made you think that she was a dude? As for Beast Machines. I actually liked the show almost as much as Beast Wars but it really needed a third season to really be on par with Beast Wars. You should really rewatch the whole series. I guess there's not going to be a 5 worst episodes list because there really aren't any bad episodes.
God, I cried when I first saw "Code of Hero". I still get a little teary eye when I see the end of the episode. I was surprised that it wasn't number one but I respect your choice for the number 1. I think Beast Machines is worth a re-watch seeing that is was the end of the series. It's full of mystery, twists, and references from the original Transformers T.V. show that it's worth the watch. I enjoy it. Sure the opening them is simple but it shows off what the show is about.
Even the Code of Hero clip they used, when that episode's theme started to play, I got goosebumps. Ironically probably the most noble death in all Transformers.
+Jamal Abdisalam No comparison. Beast Wars remains the pinnacle of TV Transformers, especially Season Two. Meanwhile Prime had far too many negatives IE Humans, ugly facial designs and most unfortunately ties to Bayformers.
Dinobot = one of the best animated characters of all time. Transmutate always freaked me out as a kid, just look at that monster! But it was always a memorable episode. But Code Of Hero comes out on top, such an emotional end for a character I was very attached to. And Beast Machines? We don't talk about Beast Machines...
I remember reflecting on the episode "Code of Hero" later in life and realized that a lot of Dinobot's dialogue was quoted from Shakespeare; his last words are straight from Hamlet.
Tough I don't think Beast Machines is better than Beast Wars, there's just something about Beast Machines, I don't know what it is but I love it and it will always be one of my favorites. (At least when it comes to Transformers)
I think the main problem with Beast Machines was some huge character shifts like Optimus (becoming a fanatic to his "mission" from the Oracle, at least until after the whole Key of Vector Sigma and Plasma Energy Chamber debacle), Megatron (the whole blaming of his beast mode for losing the Beast Wars, and so wanting to get rid of it, along with his sudden honor at times despite despising the idea normally), Rhinox (the whole supporting of Megatron's ideals coming out of nowhere), or Silverbolt (who became an asshole after coming back despite showing his original personality earlier). And I guess the whole attempt at zen transforming rather than the typical transforming was really weird and jarring along with the idea that the Beast Wars were somehow predestined to occur just to have Optimus and the others bring "balance" to Cybertron between organic and technology / "technorganic" for SOME reason that was never truly explained.
HalfDemonInuyasha I agree with what you say on the character shifts but in rhinox's case you could argue it was his machine form eating away at his common sense even after they saved him but ya I can still see where your coming from with everything else
I agree with most of what you say here, but I would focus even more on Rhinox, though not necessarily in the way you mean. They should never have ditched him from the team, because he offered a "2nd in command" that was the spiritualist (team mystic as some of the bonus material said in the BW DVDs) but still very grounded. Giving that role + fanatic to Optimus made the character much worse IMO, when they could have kept it split, and been the better for it. Cheetor as 2nd in command worked OK, but not good enough. There were other problems with the make-up of the group, but that was the one that broke it IMO. It was all about either Optimus's "mission", Rattrap whining (way too much of this), or (eventually) Black Arachnia pining for her lost lover, only for that to blow up in her face. They needed somebody who would keep them centered, and that was Rhinox. Also, the one thing that dis-engaged me the most was the "Rattrap Defend megatron" episode. No, being honest and keeping your word is NOT more important than destroying the Genocidal maniac. As Sisko CORRECTLY decided in "In the Pale Moonlight" of DS9, one person's self-respect is a bargain for saving part of the galaxy from oppression. That one episode alone is enough reason to say the whole series lost its way.
Fun fact: when Rattrap said " What in the name of my great aunt Arcee is going on out here" in Transmutate, believe it or not Arcee's voice actor Susan Blu voice acted Transmutate too
+XeviousD All pretty terrible. Much like the Japanese "edit" to Season One of Beast Wars, the _sequel_ series really demonstrate that Beast Wars really lost a lot in translation.
Im sorry but i perefer this over any transformers show or movie...sue me. p.s. - the biggest reason (for me) was content. TF Prime was created to establish a new and fresh look to the franchise with smart stories and better visuals to appeal to new and old viewers. Meanwhile Beast Wars adds and expands on pre existing lore from the g1 era, that older fans would enjoy for their "nostalgia"while newer fans would be introduced to "newer" characters and new stories focusing on cause and effect with time and space. Plus cant argue that i loved Code of Hero (not many shows give the "blaze of glory" to many characters, especialy moraly ambiguous characters with stuborn attitudes) and it was a victime of its time for visuals. p.p.s.: Ever consider doing Reboot the tv series? i rather enjoyed it (mostly season 3). Or mabye Shadow Raiders?
Beast Wars was and is my favorite show. It still holds up which says a lot. Machines is weaker but not bad. It is much better as an adult as the messages go a bit over the heads of kids. I recommend it. Dinobot was the best though.
Beast machines is actually a pretty good series it was a lot darker than beast wars but the only problem is is the animation in the designs are a little Offputting specially the Maximal's.
Beast Machines as a direct sequel to Beast Wars is... a little disjointed honestly. It picks up from it in a good way, but the new story just seems so out-of-the-loop. We're not given a distinct reason as to why Megatron hates all organic material, since the organic is essentially what made him what he is now, and it makes it hard to relate to his ideals of wanting a "purified Cybertron," purging all the organic life from it. The character designs are... odd. Not necessarily bad, just odd. I get they were trying to differentiate the two despite being the same storyline, but some of them were downright ugly. Still, their powers remained relatively consistent throughout, but some of these characters had such a hit to their power, they became virtually worthless in the heat of battle. On that note, poor Rattrap. Pretty sure noone could ever say "shut up Rattrap" to him again with a straight face after the nerf he received. However, individual characters' developments definitely soared in this one with the smaller dedicated cast. Optimus basically becomes the old soul who is sick of fighting and is looking to create a balance in the world. Cheetor is maturing into an "adult," I suppose, showing more tact and realization of his limits as the series progresses. BlackArachnia becomes obsessed in finding the love of her life, whom has become a fallen hero of sorts, and they both have to try to recover the remnants of their relationship. Even the villains' personalities were interesting, if not a bit dry. And the... "cameos" for the villains, if you call it that, are quite humorous, not to mention they do further the plot points. Overall, the series was not terrible as a continuation, but it definitely had a load of flaws. I'd still recommend it be watched, but don't expect the same level of amazing showmanship as Beast Wars.
Beast Wars and ReBoot are two of the best cartoons of the 90s. ReBoot especially is so under rated. Mainframe entertainment were really pushing the envelope in cartoon storytelling.
I feel Beast Machines is absolutely worth trying again. The redesigns of the Maximals took a little getting used to, but once you do, the story is REALLY solid. The mystery of the Vehicons is legit shocking, and especially the episode "The Weak Component" is a Rattrap episode that I promise is right up there with "Transmutate" and "Code Of Hero".
Speaking of Buzzsaw, I wish they would've made some room in the Beast Wars timeline to include him in the show along with a few other characters, like Wolfang, B'Boom and Transquito.
wampastompa1 It's definitely a series that was a lot better on reflection than when it was first aired, especially considering how many of the main cast were treated and overhauled, especially Rhinox. But taken on its own, I've found the show to be a nice little intro to philosophy and environmentalism without being too preachy, a rarity for a kids show.
Agreed. I watched to when I was younger cause I still loved the characters and started re-watching it a couple years ago. Those characters went though so much. Nightscream became a fast favorite for me. The CGI television era was really cool when I was younger. I recently re-watched all of Shadow Raiders. That show was pretty cool back then but not well known.
Yeah, when it was airing I hated it, but when I came back to it many years later after a random rewatch of Beast Wars, I found I actually couldn't put it down. It was by no means perfect, and I still wouldn't say it's comparable to Beast Wars, but it's definitely worth a watch.
Honestly, Rattrap's characterization makes a lot of sense to me. In Beast Wars, he's a spy, infiltrator, demolitionist. He once said, and I quote: "I feel naked without my gun..." He's a down-to-earth, no-nonsense results man. He's not in it for some spiritual satisfaction, he wants to get results, and go home. Now, he's trapped in beast mode, and is forced to delve into this spiritual nonsense just to transform, a concept he understandably has trouble with. He just wants to say Maximize and get it over with, but NO, he has to find his center, and all that... Ugh. And then, once he finally pulls THAT off... HE HAS NO WEAPONS. None! He can't fight back! No wonder he's turned into a coward! But he takes what he DOES have, and adapts, learning to become invaluable despite his new body's handicaps. And what's more, he even eventually takes on a role similar to his old buddy Rhinox's old role of team mechanic/inventor. And considering how he clashes with Botanica when she first shows up... it almost reminds one of how he would fight with Dinobot, in a way. With that in mind, is it any wonder the two of them became close?
Amazing list, Walter. Code of Hero is truly something special, like Transmutate. I really like Beast Machines and rewatched recently. I think that it still holds up!
Both Code of the Hero and Transmutate were my favourite episodes too. Oddly enough, my favourite scene in Code of the Hero was the final scene with the proto-human recovering the stone club that Dinobot used to defeat Megatron. The proto-human realising what the weapon can do and raising it in the air in triumph really ends that episode well. Dinobot not only saved humanity, he also helped it evolve. And Transmutate's ending scene was great too. Rampage was an uncaring monster, who has freely admitted that to have eaten other transformers. He only ever showed any form of compassion once, with Transmutate. Rampage's clear grief over the death of the only friend he ever had was actually quite compelling.
Beast Machine is definitely worth another watch. The story is a lot more subtle and is more suited for young adult. I remember not liking it when I was a kid, but it definitely become better when I got older
Beast Wars' versions of Optimas and Megatron are my favorite out of all othwr iterations. They both had so much personality compared to bland Prime or rage bonner Megatron.
OH MY GOSH! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH! For YEARS it felt like NO ONE on TH-cam was seriously talking about Beast Wars. It was easily one of my favorite shoes growing up, and I'm SO happy to finally see a quality video about the series pop up in my suggested videos.
I used to like Beast Machines, mostly because of the dark tone of the show. The idea of Megatron being some kind of overpowerful "big brother" that turns the entire population of Cibertron into mindless zombies (even characters of the main cast) was one of the most terrifing things that i saw in cartoons as a kid.
Beast machine is admittedly not as good as beast wars but I do think it's worth a second visit. Cast not as big, characters not a lot like themselves during beast wars, models not as cool or pretty and the background can get bland many times. But it can get philosophical which is not bad, the action is fluid and fast pace, the stakes and struggles are even bigger for the maximals, and while I did say the models are not as cool, the villains however are pretty awesome actually. Overal, while beast machine is not for everybody and will never be as good or memorable as beast wars, I think it's worth a second visit and may even like for a second look.
Beast Wars was a favorite show growing up. Funny you mention Beast Machines, I bought it and have been trying to get through it, but it has been hard to get through, I am still in the early part of Season 2, and I bought the DVD set almost two years ago.
Beast Wars was an awesome cartoon. I think the best episode of Beast Wars was "Code of Hero". "Code of Hero" was the saddest episode of the series because it saw the tragic demise of Dinobot. The former Predacon turned Autobot making a fateful choice and sacrificing his life to save the future of humanity. He was a real hero.
Beast machines was worth watching for the ultimate wrap up of the "beast" series. It took all the character's archs and finished them off. By no means was it as good as beast wars but it was fun to see them go home and finally defeat megaton.
This and Transformers Prime have got to be the best series of the franchise. These cartoons transcend the typical 20 minute toy commercials. Would have loved to see Dark Spark in the honorable mentions.
Beast machines has a different tone and takes the characters in different arcs. Optimus becomes more of a mentor and is more concerned with learning the purpose of their new forms. Cheetor steps up to become team leader and learns what it takes to be a leader. Silver bolt tries to overcome the sins of his past and must learn to forgive himself before he can help anyone else. Other characters go through drastic changes as well, some questionable, others fascinating.
Transmutate is a SHE, though in the show they only refer to her as 'it'. Evidence to support the She: Script refers to Transmutate as she and her, voiced by Susan Blu (voice of Arcee), and less effectively, the newer timelines toy, which is a recolor of Prime Arcee, and also one of my favorite toys.
Nope before that, we need to reboot the entire movie Franchise. I don't want Micheal Bay directing Beast Wars. It's bad enough he's directing Transformers at all, if he ruins Beast Wars, that's it I'm done!
gojiguyver3, first of all Bay also said he was done with this franchise after Dark of the Moon. There was an interview with him after that movie where he said he killed off the Decepticons because he wanted that to be the last movie and if a new movie were to come out someone else would have to reboot it... then after that we got Age of Extinctinction. Don't trust anything Micheal Bay says the man is known to be a liar. Secondly, we already know for a fact that there are two more movies coming out after the Last Knight. Plus for some reason a totally unnecessary spin off movie staring Bumblebee which is really dumb because 2007 was already a Bumblebee focused movie. So no The Last Knight is not Micheal Bay's last movie. I wish it was, I wish they would pull the plug on this shit and reboot the universe, but they already have plans for multiple Transformers films going further into this Micheal Bay universe. Finally, even if Micheal Bay does leave the franchise since we know they're not rebooting it, it's still not going to fix anything because his influence is already a part of this universe. The only way to fix that is to start over.
RialVestro this is the last movie made by Michel bay and last sequel the other ones are prequel. The new director is the one from cubo and the string of 2
my first time trying Beast Machines when I was a teen I couldn't make it far, probably because it didn't have a consistent schedule. years later I watched it all and it was not bad, better than I had given it credit for
Yeah, like the final decision made with Nightscream's final draft. I heard they originally wanted to make him a girl in resemblance to the character, Newt from "Alien Covenant". In hindsight, that might've been a better option instead of making him more like John Connor from "Terminator II". Edit: Ya' gotta admit, though, Botanica was an interesting concept, being a transformer with a plant for an alternate mode.
Beast Machines isn't as good as Beast Wars, but it does have some interesting story elements. The initial story line of having lost their memories, lost their transmetal bodies, why they can't transform, etc. It was a fun journey watching them find out what happened after Beast Wars ended.
I think Beast Machines improved with each viewing. It had a lot of ambitions and was designed to play out like a movie would. Some characterization, or rather a lot of it, changes the Maximals drastically like Optimus, Rhinox, Rattrap, and Silverbolt, but I think all are justified if you take the whole story into account.
I thought it was fairly decent, maybe not as fun as Beast Wars, but I kinda liked the darker tone. And it did have my favorite line from either series: "Ah, I miss being the useless one." -Rattrap
Mike Scott to be honest beast machines is a good show if we completely ignore beast wars for what it is its good but it shouldn't be a sequel to beast wars the sudden changes of characters from beast wars in beast machines is prominently felt which often does hinder certain aspects of it being a good sequel to beast wars and it definitely brought intereting concepts with it and some bad things too but overall it shouldn't of been a beast wars sequel... Although I do wish we had gotten transtech the sequel to beast machines cause man did it look interesting and I loved that TFCC did use it in their comics
I used to hate Beast Machines, but after giving it a second try when it came to DVD, I actually ended up loving it. Season 2 is where it shines. Especially the end.
God damn you and I fall on the exact same episodes as the best of the series. There really isn't anything else a person could say. Well played sir. And beast machines is a lot better now then it was when it first came out. Surprisingly it keeps a steady pace and has little to no filler with a satisfying end to Transformers as a whole.
Beast Machines I loved for it's story telling and the Maximals coming to grips with being Techno Organics now plus one surprising character change was Silverbolt's near abandonment of his Chivalry aswell as Waspinator's fate after the war ended in earth as for my favourite Beast Wars episodes it's code of the hero makes me teary eyed everytime especially when I was younger I didn't care for dinobot but seeing him sacrifice himself made me rethink him completely
Fun fact, I was told I was an idiot for liking Beast Wars and buying the toys because "Beast Wars is just an excuse to sell toys" by a man who was an avid Transformers fan...who wouldn't accept that Tranformers was an excuse to sell toys.
definitely worth giving Beast Machines a look. having less characters (to start with at least) gave this opportunity for some great storylines especially RatTraps character development
Hated beast machines, absolutely hated it. Focusing on cybertron having an organic core, a friggin plant transformer and turning silverbolt into a completely different robot was dumb.
Worst of all - the instructions (in this case from Dan "I wanna be like Quesada" Didio) that have ruined so many a project: Don't watch the series that spawned this new one-but do completely use it as the premise for the Ultimate Villain Sue-ing of Megatron.
It strayed too far from what people like about Transformers. I wasn't put off with the whole organic core thing. I think it was implied in the G1 series that Cybertron may have been organic at one time. But the cgi and character designs were horrible. It made too many changes to the characters. You could tell that Hasbro was tapped out of ideas. Japan didn't even bother to make spin off shows the way they did for Beast Wars. They went from Beast Wars II, to Beast Wars Neo, right to Car Robots.
beast machines was a brilliant show, you still are to inmature to recognize its geniality, they could have made better character models but the show were bound to the toy designs so its not the show's fault for that.
I do recommend rewatching Beast Machines. It's not as good as Beast Wars, but it does seem to tackle some slightly more mature themes that I don't think translates as well to a younger audience. There is almost a religious aspect to it.
Benjamin Burt they do a remake not changing the plot or anything just rendering the animation so it doesn't look like crap like making a film hd or remastering a game
Unfortunately i they were to do a reboot the devs might be so arrogant that they might try and improve with what was already great and collapse the entire show in the process.
I was never impressed with any of the early CGI. It all looked terrible to me. The first CGI movie good enough to make me forget I was watching CGI was "Ratatouille".
I thought all the episodes were awesome, and beast machines is definitely worth watching. It may take a few episodes to get into, but nonetheless is it captivating. Cheetor really grows up in the series as it progresses, and if you were ever a fan of him you'd be proud to see the outcome :)
beast machines was a nice continuation for the series, but I was also watching it at a pretty young age so I wouldn't be surprised if I let a lot slide to see the characters I loved continue.
I wasn't sure you were going to give Transmutate the top spot but I'm so glad you did. This episode really tugged at my young heartstrings. Also, nice Optimal Optimus. I also have it. Also also, Beast Machines was absolutely frigging amazing. Great plot, great characterization, great music. It's really the natural maturation of Beast Wars as the audience grew up
That's called nostalgia vision. They looked good back in the 90's because it was one of the first shows to use CGI and we didn't know any better because there was nothing else to compare it to at the time. As CGI has gotten better over the years it now looks like shit. I've rewatched the series many times and while I still love the story and characters... in fact I actually tend to find new things about it I love that I didn't even notice the first time, but that animation does not hold up today. I would love to see the series remade with updated graphics.
Yeah CGI ages WAY more horribly than traditional animation techniques. Just look at 'Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind' (1984), compared to 'Toy Story' (1995). While Nausicaa looks like it could have been made right behind The Wind Rises, Toy Story looks fucking ancient! xD Same goes for Shrek or another CGI film made in the early 00's
Beast Wars was amazing. Beast Machines was good too, but had a few "wait, really?" moments and weird story/direction choices that made it less memorable than the original. But it is definitely worth a watch if you're a fan of the original, even only to answer the question: "What happened after the end of Beast Wars? Did they ever make it back to present day Cybertron?"
Beast Machines is really good as well. You have to watch it in entire seating. Making it a week to week episode tv formula, made the show feel slow moving.
I went back to watch beast machines two times to make up for never giving it a chance the first time and I noticed that it may not have been the best it was still fun to watch. Man beast machines was dark, far darker than I expected. Beast Machines isn't very long so try giving it another try and maybe do a top 5 episodes for it.
Ah the nostalgia, a truly epic show from my youth. Looking back, Beast Machines did have some problems, and overall was nowhere near as good as the original, a high mark to beat, but it was a lot darker - that said, evenso, I have to recommend it because there was still some truly amazing twists, turns, and great themes worthy of the original.
beast machines was great it really carried the story lines that wars had like silverbolt and black arachnia, there was waspinator, they showed like this really crazy cool transformer who was plant base. i loved it even as a kid
When I was growing up, I had this faint memory of a transformer holding up a police car and asking it to transform, only for a cop to demand that it put his cruiser down, this ignited my love of tranformers. Beast Wars was my first true memory of any transformers with a lot of clarity. It is my favorite series, and while I agree that Code of Hero should have been Number 1, I would have honestly put the opener to Season 2 on this list as well. It kicked off a number of story lines, among other things. Another one of my tops is the episodes which killed off Tigatron and Airrazor. That was another heartfelt moment in the show to me. This list is very good, and I can see all those good points you gave. Thank you good sir, and I hope to see a top 5 of the other Transformers shows we've had, like RID from 2001, or even the original 80's show.
I say it is worth going back to watch Beast Machines simply for the final story Arch. The Finale of Beast Machines is fantastic and worth the watch. For me anyway.
I loved Beast Wars when I was younger. You hit a lot of my favorites here, though Tarantulas was one of my favorites that sorely lacks some representation on here. As for Beast Machines, it's pretty polarizing. When I was younger, I couldn't be less of a fan, but when I gave it a second chance many years later, I actually found myself enjoying it quite a lot. It was no Beast Wars, but for what it was, I found there's a lot more there than many gave (and still give) it credit for.
As a hardcore beast wars fan from childhood, I can honestly say this list is damn near perfect. My only complaint is it should have been a top 7 or a top 10 best episodes list since there were so many good episodes.
I feel like Transmutate is even more moving because it takes place right after Code Of Hero. It’s definitely a low point in the series for the Maximals
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Channel Awesome Megatron has a fidget spinner as a golden disk
TM2 Cheetor was terrible. I always thought it was the worst version of him and the toy is even worse as it's about as articulate as a G1 Transformer. The cannon on his back is also designed to be removable and has a handle so he can hold it except the way his hands are designed he can't actually hold anything so it's best to leave that gun on his back.
Also you kept referring to Transmutate as a "him", she is female. The design of the character was intended to be "vaguely female" and she was voiced by Susan Blu. What made you think that she was a dude?
As for Beast Machines. I actually liked the show almost as much as Beast Wars but it really needed a third season to really be on par with Beast Wars. You should really rewatch the whole series.
I guess there's not going to be a 5 worst episodes list because there really aren't any bad episodes.
I love beast wars its amazing
Listen, your best EVER was Devil. I wanted to vote for that but couldn't. Chose the next best.
Transmetal Cheetor and Dinobot were great. Buy them
I use to get up at 6am to watch this show before school... miss it. lol
annadesu I know how that goes.
I remember loving this show and being way too hyped before school lol.
annadesu it's on kodi and most likely dvd
annadesu I always hated that my favorite shows were way before anyone woke up.
annadesu The animation was amazing for it's time! I miss those days...
Me too! Luckily I own all the DVDs now so I don't have to miss it.
God, I cried when I first saw "Code of Hero". I still get a little teary eye when I see the end of the episode. I was surprised that it wasn't number one but I respect your choice for the number 1. I think Beast Machines is worth a re-watch seeing that is was the end of the series. It's full of mystery, twists, and references from the original Transformers T.V. show that it's worth the watch. I enjoy it. Sure the opening them is simple but it shows off what the show is about.
Same. Even today.
Even the Code of Hero clip they used, when that episode's theme started to play, I got goosebumps. Ironically probably the most noble death in all Transformers.
That's so true.
He lived a warrior, and died a hero.
I LOVE beast machines!
Waspenator never went through any changes yet survived till the end. That's impressive. He's like the Krillin of Beast Wars...except he lived.
After getting owned by everything several times.
And temporarily became king of the Proto humans too. :D
BWF
and when they got tired of his shit they threw him out too! lol
Damn Starscream just can't catch a break
I miss Beast Wars
Tibasu then you should watch Prime it's absolutely great
Or get Beast Wars on DVD, you can get the complete series for $23 on Amazon.
Though Prime is on Netflix so there is that.
+Jamal Abdisalam No comparison. Beast Wars remains the pinnacle of TV Transformers, especially Season Two. Meanwhile Prime had far too many negatives IE Humans, ugly facial designs and most unfortunately ties to Bayformers.
Your still there?
Dinobot = one of the best animated characters of all time.
Transmutate always freaked me out as a kid, just look at that monster! But it was always a memorable episode. But Code Of Hero comes out on top, such an emotional end for a character I was very attached to.
And Beast Machines? We don't talk about Beast Machines...
I remember reflecting on the episode "Code of Hero" later in life and realized that a lot of Dinobot's dialogue was quoted from Shakespeare; his last words are straight from Hamlet.
Tough I don't think Beast Machines is better than Beast Wars, there's just something about Beast Machines, I don't know what it is but I love it and it will always be one of my favorites. (At least when it comes to Transformers)
Beast Machines was sorta hit and miss compared to Beast Wars: It had some neat ideas although maybe not the best execution
Great list though Walter
I think the main problem with Beast Machines was some huge character shifts like Optimus (becoming a fanatic to his "mission" from the Oracle, at least until after the whole Key of Vector Sigma and Plasma Energy Chamber debacle), Megatron (the whole blaming of his beast mode for losing the Beast Wars, and so wanting to get rid of it, along with his sudden honor at times despite despising the idea normally), Rhinox (the whole supporting of Megatron's ideals coming out of nowhere), or Silverbolt (who became an asshole after coming back despite showing his original personality earlier).
And I guess the whole attempt at zen transforming rather than the typical transforming was really weird and jarring along with the idea that the Beast Wars were somehow predestined to occur just to have Optimus and the others bring "balance" to Cybertron between organic and technology / "technorganic" for SOME reason that was never truly explained.
HalfDemonInuyasha I agree with what you say on the character shifts but in rhinox's case you could argue it was his machine form eating away at his common sense even after they saved him but ya I can still see where your coming from with everything else
In the Rhinox case, I think it might because of his temporary change into a Predicon in Beast Wars. I guess that reprogramming never went away.
Sadly, the fact that we can only speculate about such big points is another reason for some problems - lack of explanation for things.
I agree with most of what you say here, but I would focus even more on Rhinox, though not necessarily in the way you mean.
They should never have ditched him from the team, because he offered a "2nd in command" that was the spiritualist (team mystic as some of the bonus material said in the BW DVDs) but still very grounded. Giving that role + fanatic to Optimus made the character much worse IMO, when they could have kept it split, and been the better for it. Cheetor as 2nd in command worked OK, but not good enough.
There were other problems with the make-up of the group, but that was the one that broke it IMO. It was all about either Optimus's "mission", Rattrap whining (way too much of this), or (eventually) Black Arachnia pining for her lost lover, only for that to blow up in her face. They needed somebody who would keep them centered, and that was Rhinox.
Also, the one thing that dis-engaged me the most was the "Rattrap Defend megatron" episode. No, being honest and keeping your word is NOT more important than destroying the Genocidal maniac. As Sisko CORRECTLY decided in "In the Pale Moonlight" of DS9, one person's self-respect is a bargain for saving part of the galaxy from oppression. That one episode alone is enough reason to say the whole series lost its way.
_"Let him be, for the moment we are brothers."_ , Silverbolt as Ramage mourns Transmutate's death
Fun fact: when Rattrap said " What in the name of my great aunt Arcee is going on out here" in Transmutate, believe it or not Arcee's voice actor Susan Blu voice acted Transmutate too
Ah Beast Wars oh the memories
TheMaundy69 In Japan, Beast Wars 2 & Neo (still looking for those episodes...).
+XeviousD All pretty terrible. Much like the Japanese "edit" to Season One of Beast Wars, the _sequel_ series really demonstrate that Beast Wars really lost a lot in translation.
TheMaundy69 I first watch this on Netflix I became a fan of the series and rewatch it on kodi now I want to rewatch this
Optimis Prime: Ugh...My head. I'm seeing circles.
Primal: You're just hungover. Go back to sleep.
Prime: Okay.
Im sorry but i perefer this over any transformers show or movie...sue me.
p.s. - the biggest reason (for me) was content. TF Prime was created to establish a new and fresh look to the franchise with smart stories and better visuals to appeal to new and old viewers. Meanwhile Beast Wars adds and expands on pre existing lore from the g1 era, that older fans would enjoy for their "nostalgia"while newer fans would be introduced to "newer" characters and new stories focusing on cause and effect with time and space. Plus cant argue that i loved Code of Hero (not many shows give the "blaze of glory" to many characters, especialy moraly ambiguous characters with stuborn attitudes) and it was a victime of its time for visuals.
p.p.s.: Ever consider doing Reboot the tv series? i rather enjoyed it (mostly season 3). Or mabye Shadow Raiders?
What about Prime? I thought it was pretty good.
I enjoyed it but not as much as beast wars
+Sauron 7777 That's a shame.
There were the 3H FunPub and IDW Beast Wars comics
Sauron 7777 same goes to Animated?
Beast Wars was and is my favorite show. It still holds up which says a lot. Machines is weaker but not bad. It is much better as an adult as the messages go a bit over the heads of kids. I recommend it. Dinobot was the best though.
Beast machines is actually a pretty good series it was a lot darker than beast wars but the only problem is is the animation in the designs are a little Offputting specially the Maximal's.
I never saw Transformers, but I watched this show instead.
same, not a fan of transformers, but I LOVE Beast Wars.
FOR THE ROYALTY!!!! My heart still aches to this day at Inferno's ultimate fate in the show. I loved him so much.
Beast Machines as a direct sequel to Beast Wars is... a little disjointed honestly. It picks up from it in a good way, but the new story just seems so out-of-the-loop. We're not given a distinct reason as to why Megatron hates all organic material, since the organic is essentially what made him what he is now, and it makes it hard to relate to his ideals of wanting a "purified Cybertron," purging all the organic life from it.
The character designs are... odd. Not necessarily bad, just odd. I get they were trying to differentiate the two despite being the same storyline, but some of them were downright ugly. Still, their powers remained relatively consistent throughout, but some of these characters had such a hit to their power, they became virtually worthless in the heat of battle. On that note, poor Rattrap. Pretty sure noone could ever say "shut up Rattrap" to him again with a straight face after the nerf he received.
However, individual characters' developments definitely soared in this one with the smaller dedicated cast. Optimus basically becomes the old soul who is sick of fighting and is looking to create a balance in the world. Cheetor is maturing into an "adult," I suppose, showing more tact and realization of his limits as the series progresses. BlackArachnia becomes obsessed in finding the love of her life, whom has become a fallen hero of sorts, and they both have to try to recover the remnants of their relationship.
Even the villains' personalities were interesting, if not a bit dry. And the... "cameos" for the villains, if you call it that, are quite humorous, not to mention they do further the plot points. Overall, the series was not terrible as a continuation, but it definitely had a load of flaws. I'd still recommend it be watched, but don't expect the same level of amazing showmanship as Beast Wars.
I agree 100%
Beast Wars and ReBoot are two of the best cartoons of the 90s. ReBoot especially is so under rated. Mainframe entertainment were really pushing the envelope in cartoon storytelling.
I feel Beast Machines is absolutely worth trying again. The redesigns of the Maximals took a little getting used to, but once you do, the story is REALLY solid. The mystery of the Vehicons is legit shocking, and especially the episode "The Weak Component" is a Rattrap episode that I promise is right up there with "Transmutate" and "Code Of Hero".
Beast Wars superior, Beast Machines.. inferior.
......I see what you did there
Ubaldo García I forget what character said things like that...
Soundwave
WHO ARE YOU CALLING INFERIOR!? NOBODY WOULD FOLLOW AN UNCHARASMATIC BOAR LIKE YOU!
BladeCrossEXE Who are you calling "Unchrosimatic"?
"Victory" "Other Visits" "Code of Hero" "The Agenda" "Optimal Situation" "Master Blaster" "Other Victories" are my top 10 episodes.
I'm very impressed with Channel Awesome on this one. They got everything right. Walter had nothing but show characters on his table!
Benedict Bartolome just noticed that. I was thinking of the Fox Kids repaint of Transmetal Waspinator.
Speaking of Buzzsaw, I wish they would've made some room in the Beast Wars timeline to include him in the show along with a few other characters, like Wolfang, B'Boom and Transquito.
I still get chills when listening to Dinobots' speech before he goes to battle.
As an adult I appreciate Beast Machines more with its themes of balance, loss, and overcoming an insurmountable situation. Its worth revisiting.
wampastompa1 It's definitely a series that was a lot better on reflection than when it was first aired, especially considering how many of the main cast were treated and overhauled, especially Rhinox. But taken on its own, I've found the show to be a nice little intro to philosophy and environmentalism without being too preachy, a rarity for a kids show.
Agreed. I watched to when I was younger cause I still loved the characters and started re-watching it a couple years ago. Those characters went though so much. Nightscream became a fast favorite for me.
The CGI television era was really cool when I was younger. I recently re-watched all of Shadow Raiders. That show was pretty cool back then but not well known.
But the characterization was bad. The one of Rattrap in particular. I didnt like the serie myself.
Yeah, when it was airing I hated it, but when I came back to it many years later after a random rewatch of Beast Wars, I found I actually couldn't put it down. It was by no means perfect, and I still wouldn't say it's comparable to Beast Wars, but it's definitely worth a watch.
Honestly, Rattrap's characterization makes a lot of sense to me. In Beast Wars, he's a spy, infiltrator, demolitionist. He once said, and I quote: "I feel naked without my gun..." He's a down-to-earth, no-nonsense results man. He's not in it for some spiritual satisfaction, he wants to get results, and go home. Now, he's trapped in beast mode, and is forced to delve into this spiritual nonsense just to transform, a concept he understandably has trouble with. He just wants to say Maximize and get it over with, but NO, he has to find his center, and all that... Ugh. And then, once he finally pulls THAT off... HE HAS NO WEAPONS. None! He can't fight back! No wonder he's turned into a coward!
But he takes what he DOES have, and adapts, learning to become invaluable despite his new body's handicaps. And what's more, he even eventually takes on a role similar to his old buddy Rhinox's old role of team mechanic/inventor. And considering how he clashes with Botanica when she first shows up... it almost reminds one of how he would fight with Dinobot, in a way. With that in mind, is it any wonder the two of them became close?
The death of Dinobot was definitely the most impactful moment of Beast Wars to me. He was always my favorite character.
"Best development..."
G1 and Bayformers: what's that?.
Elusory Monk
TF Prime: Something I learned from Beast Wars.
Mexican Sunbro I think you mean TF Animated
LegoTFGuy Animated was alright, but up until the Decepticons show up it's a very slow start.
Mexican Sunbro Fair enough.
My favorite Transformers series of all time! Dionbot is the best Maximal!
He's also the best Predacon, which is quite impressive.
I didn't know Celine Dion was a Transformer.
Yes, the majestic singing voice of Celine Dionbot was amazing!
Best in all transformers incarnations.
Did you hear her new song "My Spark Will Go On"?
Amazing list, Walter. Code of Hero is truly something special, like Transmutate. I really like Beast Machines and rewatched recently. I think that it still holds up!
Both Code of the Hero and Transmutate were my favourite episodes too.
Oddly enough, my favourite scene in Code of the Hero was the final scene with the proto-human recovering the stone club that Dinobot used to defeat Megatron. The proto-human realising what the weapon can do and raising it in the air in triumph really ends that episode well. Dinobot not only saved humanity, he also helped it evolve.
And Transmutate's ending scene was great too. Rampage was an uncaring monster, who has freely admitted that to have eaten other transformers. He only ever showed any form of compassion once, with Transmutate. Rampage's clear grief over the death of the only friend he ever had was actually quite compelling.
Beast Machine is definitely worth another watch. The story is a lot more subtle and is more suited for young adult. I remember not liking it when I was a kid, but it definitely become better when I got older
Beast Machines is worth it, gives a nice end to the whole thing
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly. The I'll deeds, along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest...is silence.."
Beast Wars' versions of Optimas and Megatron are my favorite out of all othwr iterations. They both had so much personality compared to bland Prime or rage bonner Megatron.
Dude... I LOVED that Dragon Megatron figure XD
Beast Machines is definitely worth watching, has the same great quality story lines that "Wars" had just everyone looks a little different
OH MY GOSH! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!
For YEARS it felt like NO ONE on TH-cam was seriously talking about Beast Wars. It was easily one of my favorite shoes growing up, and I'm SO happy to finally see a quality video about the series pop up in my suggested videos.
Every episode where DinoBot was the focus of the plot
I used to like Beast Machines, mostly because of the dark tone of the show. The idea of Megatron being some kind of overpowerful "big brother" that turns the entire population of Cibertron into mindless zombies (even characters of the main cast) was one of the most terrifing things that i saw in cartoons as a kid.
Not to mention the awesome theme song!
As a kid I didn't like Beast Machines but when I rewatched it as an adult, I loved it.
Beast machine is admittedly not as good as beast wars but I do think it's worth a second visit. Cast not as big, characters not a lot like themselves during beast wars, models not as cool or pretty and the background can get bland many times. But it can get philosophical which is not bad, the action is fluid and fast pace, the stakes and struggles are even bigger for the maximals, and while I did say the models are not as cool, the villains however are pretty awesome actually. Overal, while beast machine is not for everybody and will never be as good or memorable as beast wars, I think it's worth a second visit and may even like for a second look.
Beast Wars was a favorite show growing up. Funny you mention Beast Machines, I bought it and have been trying to get through it, but it has been hard to get through, I am still in the early part of Season 2, and I bought the DVD set almost two years ago.
Has there been a fan HD Remaster for Beast Wars? I've seen some of the things people have made, and they can totally polish up Beast Wars.
I hope so. If there is I’m downloading it lol
Beast Wars was an awesome cartoon. I think the best episode of Beast Wars was "Code of Hero". "Code of Hero" was the saddest episode of the series because it saw the tragic demise of Dinobot. The former Predacon turned Autobot making a fateful choice and sacrificing his life to save the future of humanity. He was a real hero.
I had so many beast wars toys. aaaah the good ole days.
Beast machines was worth watching for the ultimate wrap up of the "beast" series. It took all the character's archs and finished them off. By no means was it as good as beast wars but it was fun to see them go home and finally defeat megaton.
This and Transformers Prime have got to be the best series of the franchise. These cartoons transcend the typical 20 minute toy commercials. Would have loved to see Dark Spark in the honorable mentions.
Beast machines has a different tone and takes the characters in different arcs. Optimus becomes more of a mentor and is more concerned with learning the purpose of their new forms. Cheetor steps up to become team leader and learns what it takes to be a leader. Silver bolt tries to overcome the sins of his past and must learn to forgive himself before he can help anyone else. Other characters go through drastic changes as well, some questionable, others fascinating.
Transmutate is a SHE, though in the show they only refer to her as 'it'. Evidence to support the She: Script refers to Transmutate as she and her, voiced by Susan Blu (voice of Arcee), and less effectively, the newer timelines toy, which is a recolor of Prime Arcee, and also one of my favorite toys.
I like her, to be honest.
Code of hero brought me into tears when i saw the episode
Its about time for a Beastwars movie but before that we need a Unicron in the final vehicle film
Nope before that, we need to reboot the entire movie Franchise. I don't want Micheal Bay directing Beast Wars. It's bad enough he's directing Transformers at all, if he ruins Beast Wars, that's it I'm done!
RialVestro Bay is actually done making Transformers movies now. The new one in theaters is his last one.
gojiguyver3, first of all Bay also said he was done with this franchise after Dark of the Moon. There was an interview with him after that movie where he said he killed off the Decepticons because he wanted that to be the last movie and if a new movie were to come out someone else would have to reboot it... then after that we got Age of Extinctinction. Don't trust anything Micheal Bay says the man is known to be a liar.
Secondly, we already know for a fact that there are two more movies coming out after the Last Knight. Plus for some reason a totally unnecessary spin off movie staring Bumblebee which is really dumb because 2007 was already a Bumblebee focused movie. So no The Last Knight is not Micheal Bay's last movie. I wish it was, I wish they would pull the plug on this shit and reboot the universe, but they already have plans for multiple Transformers films going further into this Micheal Bay universe.
Finally, even if Micheal Bay does leave the franchise since we know they're not rebooting it, it's still not going to fix anything because his influence is already a part of this universe. The only way to fix that is to start over.
RialVestro this is the last movie made by Michel bay and last sequel the other ones are prequel. The new director is the one from cubo and the string of 2
I'll believe it when I see it. Till the movies actually come out you can't trust a fucking thing said by Bay.
my first time trying Beast Machines when I was a teen I couldn't make it far, probably because it didn't have a consistent schedule. years later I watched it all and it was not bad, better than I had given it credit for
I'm a bit insulted that Walter wore a DBZ shirt rather than a Transformers shirt . . . Otherwise, I agree with the list except for Transmutate.
Also, Beast Machines is totally worth it! It is the darkest and most intelligent Transformers series I have ever seen.
GeekyGamer Gal Darkest? Certainly. Most intelligent? That I would argue with. It's got a lot of great ideas, but few stick the landing.
Magnus Prime it's a good thing that personal opinions are subjective then…
Yeah, like the final decision made with Nightscream's final draft. I heard they originally wanted to make him a girl in resemblance to the character, Newt from "Alien Covenant". In hindsight, that might've been a better option instead of making him more like John Connor from "Terminator II".
Edit: Ya' gotta admit, though, Botanica was an interesting concept, being a transformer with a plant for an alternate mode.
Beast Machines isn't as good as Beast Wars, but it does have some interesting story elements. The initial story line of having lost their memories, lost their transmetal bodies, why they can't transform, etc. It was a fun journey watching them find out what happened after Beast Wars ended.
So BW was a sequel prequel???
no just a sequel
I think Beast Machines improved with each viewing. It had a lot of ambitions and was designed to play out like a movie would. Some characterization, or rather a lot of it, changes the Maximals drastically like Optimus, Rhinox, Rattrap, and Silverbolt, but I think all are justified if you take the whole story into account.
beast machines was the dragonball gt of transformers. it was good in theory, but poorly executed and lacked the magic that made beast wars epic.
Mike Scott I'd argue that Beast Machines was better executed than GT, but it certainly had its share of problems.
I thought it was fairly decent, maybe not as fun as Beast Wars, but I kinda liked the darker tone.
And it did have my favorite line from either series: "Ah, I miss being the useless one." -Rattrap
Mike Scott to be honest beast machines is a good show if we completely ignore beast wars for what it is its good but it shouldn't be a sequel to beast wars the sudden changes of characters from beast wars in beast machines is prominently felt which often does hinder certain aspects of it being a good sequel to beast wars and it definitely brought intereting concepts with it and some bad things too but overall it shouldn't of been a beast wars sequel... Although I do wish we had gotten transtech the sequel to beast machines cause man did it look interesting and I loved that TFCC did use it in their comics
I hated Nightscream. Oh, how I wished he would die. Sadly I never got my wish.
That is the perfect comparison. It was very badly executed and rather took a dump on all the build up and development of the first series.
I used to hate Beast Machines, but after giving it a second try when it came to DVD, I actually ended up loving it. Season 2 is where it shines. Especially the end.
God damn you and I fall on the exact same episodes as the best of the series. There really isn't anything else a person could say. Well played sir. And beast machines is a lot better now then it was when it first came out. Surprisingly it keeps a steady pace and has little to no filler with a satisfying end to Transformers as a whole.
Beast Machines I loved for it's story telling and the Maximals coming to grips with being Techno Organics now plus one surprising character change was Silverbolt's near abandonment of his Chivalry aswell as Waspinator's fate after the war ended in earth as for my favourite Beast Wars episodes it's code of the hero makes me teary eyed everytime especially when I was younger I didn't care for dinobot but seeing him sacrifice himself made me rethink him completely
Fun fact, I was told I was an idiot for liking Beast Wars and buying the toys because "Beast Wars is just an excuse to sell toys" by a man who was an avid Transformers fan...who wouldn't accept that Tranformers was an excuse to sell toys.
Seriously, did that guy even watch the animated movie? If that was not a glorified toy commercial, I don't know what is!
definitely worth giving Beast Machines a look.
having less characters (to start with at least) gave this opportunity for some great storylines
especially RatTraps character development
Hated beast machines, absolutely hated it. Focusing on cybertron having an organic core, a friggin plant transformer and turning silverbolt into a completely different robot was dumb.
Worst of all - the instructions (in this case from Dan "I wanna be like Quesada" Didio) that have ruined so many a project: Don't watch the series that spawned this new one-but do completely use it as the premise for the Ultimate Villain Sue-ing of Megatron.
Dude, I get you. Also, what they did to Rhinox was unforgivable. Going from Optimus' right hand man to betraying him as Tankor was just bullshit.
It strayed too far from what people like about Transformers. I wasn't put off with the whole organic core thing. I think it was implied in the G1 series that Cybertron may have been organic at one time. But the cgi and character designs were horrible. It made too many changes to the characters. You could tell that Hasbro was tapped out of ideas. Japan didn't even bother to make spin off shows the way they did for Beast Wars. They went from Beast Wars II, to Beast Wars Neo, right to Car Robots.
beast machines was a brilliant show, you still are to inmature to recognize its geniality, they could have made better character models but the show were bound to the toy designs so its not the show's fault for that.
Everyone was out of character in Beast Machines. Would have been better if they'd used all new characters, or even not made it a sequel to BW at all.
beast machines was awesome! friends become enemies, enemies become friends , and we finally have vehicles lol I loved it and wish there was more
Man, this was one of my favorite shows growing up. I had a ton of those toys. I think I still do somewhere.
beast machines was totally awesome. It explored a war between nature and technology, a soldier with ptsd, conformity, free will, ect
How about Top 5 *ReBoot* episodes ;) ?
I agree, love to see this brought back too!
Enzo: ALPHANUMERIC!
“Tell all my story. The ill deeds and the good. Let thy be judged accordingly.”
The CGi has not aged well. Not horrible, but not great
LucianoThePig It was a victim of its time for animation...but still a better show in story telling than most.
True that
TheNoobLord herp'n'derp Mario 64's video game though. It's not really the same thing
LucianoThePig as long as the rest of the show is great. But yeah, the CG has aged.
No, it was horrible CGI, but the show was good for it's time. (We rarely had cartoons with arcs spanning multiple episodes)
I do recommend rewatching Beast Machines. It's not as good as Beast Wars, but it does seem to tackle some slightly more mature themes that I don't think translates as well to a younger audience. There is almost a religious aspect to it.
This show was my shit. I have most of the action figures.
I'll give them props for being one of the first 3-D animated series. However, nowadays it looks like something Shrek pooped out.
Benjamin Burt they do a remake not changing the plot or anything just rendering the animation so it doesn't look like crap like making a film hd or remastering a game
Unfortunately i they were to do a reboot the devs might be so arrogant that they might try and improve with what was already great and collapse the entire show in the process.
When Shrek first came out I was amazed at how realistic the humans and details looked. Looking at it now, it just makes you cringe.
I was never impressed with any of the early CGI. It all looked terrible to me. The first CGI movie good enough to make me forget I was watching CGI was "Ratatouille".
I know the technology was outdated but the writing is still superb.
After seeing the shirt you're wearing, how about top 5 DBZ episodes? Either that, or top 5 Toonami shows.
The top episode is Gohan's final Kamehameha attack on Cell... which is, like, 27 episodes or something... XD
I thought all the episodes were awesome, and beast machines is definitely worth watching. It may take a few episodes to get into, but nonetheless is it captivating. Cheetor really grows up in the series as it progresses, and if you were ever a fan of him you'd be proud to see the outcome :)
Great list.
Beast Machines never did it for me. I felt it repeated alot of stuff from BW.
beast machines was a nice continuation for the series, but I was also watching it at a pretty young age so I wouldn't be surprised if I let a lot slide to see the characters I loved continue.
dinobot is jesus !
dinobot is vegeta.
Beast Machines is very underappreciated and definitely worth a watch.
maybe the Michael bay moves are the changed future
I wasn't sure you were going to give Transmutate the top spot but I'm so glad you did. This episode really tugged at my young heartstrings. Also, nice Optimal Optimus. I also have it. Also also, Beast Machines was absolutely frigging amazing. Great plot, great characterization, great music. It's really the natural maturation of Beast Wars as the audience grew up
omfg what is up with these graphics... i remember it looking so much fucking better XD
That was good back then, that's why. go watch "reboot" now, it's horrible looking.
ikr?
true, but all things considered, it hasn't aged NEARLY as bad as some others around that time.
That's called nostalgia vision. They looked good back in the 90's because it was one of the first shows to use CGI and we didn't know any better because there was nothing else to compare it to at the time. As CGI has gotten better over the years it now looks like shit. I've rewatched the series many times and while I still love the story and characters... in fact I actually tend to find new things about it I love that I didn't even notice the first time, but that animation does not hold up today. I would love to see the series remade with updated graphics.
Yeah CGI ages WAY more horribly than traditional animation techniques. Just look at 'Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind' (1984), compared to 'Toy Story' (1995). While Nausicaa looks like it could have been made right behind The Wind Rises, Toy Story looks fucking ancient! xD
Same goes for Shrek or another CGI film made in the early 00's
Beast Wars was amazing. Beast Machines was good too, but had a few "wait, really?" moments and weird story/direction choices that made it less memorable than the original.
But it is definitely worth a watch if you're a fan of the original, even only to answer the question: "What happened after the end of Beast Wars? Did they ever make it back to present day Cybertron?"
top 5 best beast wars episodes. why top five? because I like to go 5 steps below
Beast Machines is really good as well. You have to watch it in entire seating. Making it a week to week episode tv formula, made the show feel slow moving.
I went back to watch beast machines two times to make up for never giving it a chance the first time and I noticed that it may not have been the best it was still fun to watch. Man beast machines was dark, far darker than I expected. Beast Machines isn't very long so try giving it another try and maybe do a top 5 episodes for it.
This is why I'm subbed. These great animated cartoon reviews.
Ah the nostalgia, a truly epic show from my youth.
Looking back, Beast Machines did have some problems, and overall was nowhere near as good as the original, a high mark to beat, but it was a lot darker - that said, evenso, I have to recommend it because there was still some truly amazing twists, turns, and great themes worthy of the original.
beast machines was great it really carried the story lines that wars had like silverbolt and black arachnia, there was waspinator, they showed like this really crazy cool transformer who was plant base. i loved it even as a kid
When I was growing up, I had this faint memory of a transformer holding up a police car and asking it to transform, only for a cop to demand that it put his cruiser down, this ignited my love of tranformers. Beast Wars was my first true memory of any transformers with a lot of clarity. It is my favorite series, and while I agree that Code of Hero should have been Number 1, I would have honestly put the opener to Season 2 on this list as well. It kicked off a number of story lines, among other things. Another one of my tops is the episodes which killed off Tigatron and Airrazor. That was another heartfelt moment in the show to me. This list is very good, and I can see all those good points you gave. Thank you good sir, and I hope to see a top 5 of the other Transformers shows we've had, like RID from 2001, or even the original 80's show.
I like beast machines, it is definitely worth watching to just see the end of that storyline
I say it is worth going back to watch Beast Machines simply for the final story Arch. The Finale of Beast Machines is fantastic and worth the watch. For me anyway.
I loved Beast Wars when I was younger. You hit a lot of my favorites here, though Tarantulas was one of my favorites that sorely lacks some representation on here.
As for Beast Machines, it's pretty polarizing. When I was younger, I couldn't be less of a fan, but when I gave it a second chance many years later, I actually found myself enjoying it quite a lot. It was no Beast Wars, but for what it was, I found there's a lot more there than many gave (and still give) it credit for.
i need to buy every episode now
As a hardcore beast wars fan from childhood, I can honestly say this list is damn near perfect. My only complaint is it should have been a top 7 or a top 10 best episodes list since there were so many good episodes.
I feel like Transmutate is even more moving because it takes place right after Code Of Hero. It’s definitely a low point in the series for the Maximals
Godd@mn it, just hearing Transmutates voice STILL gets me tearing up. "Friend… good. Friend… dark. I… am… hurt."
If I had known about your big announcement at the end, I would definitely have participated in the voting.
Yes worth it to watch, even if it's not as good as beast wars, beast machines has more character development