As a 50+ Vet rider, I find riding a 450 to be easier for me and safer. I've ridden a 250f and currently own a GasGas450. As an older rider that still wants to clear jumps but who doesn't quite have the corner speed I used to, the 450 is easier to ride. I can cruise through the corner and with a blip of the throttle, still clear most jumps on the track. I have enough experience to know that I can't just hammer the throttle whenever I want and get away with it. I need to be smooth and precise and have good throttle control on the 450.
Same. I just got a '21 Crf450 after not riding for 12 years and I had so many people trying to convince me to go 250/350. So glad i went with my gut feeling. Bike is amazing and super easy to ride. People who say 450s are overpowered either don't have the maturity/experience to control them or just flat out have neve ridden one.
@@Mountain_Yeti A lot of the current top 450 pro riders literally detune their bike because its too much for them. You can watch a lot of interviews of professional riders all saying that a 450 is too much power. It's not about maturity or experience. They are just too much power for what they used for. The only time you really need a 450 is for dunes and open desert riding in some cases.
Exactly!! This guy thinks 90% of the population are weak little soy boys. Totally forgets guys weigh 175lbs+ and still love ripping around. It's like he's training all little girls ? I absolutely wash out the suspension on a 250 just cornering it. Whoops, table tops forget it !!
@@Brandon-ot9yn professionals do not take power away period !! More use stock motors now because they're that good !! They 100% never run a bike underpowered from what it goes for from a dealership. Just because one or two people say it, doesn't make it true. They definitely run custom maps and now that's just facts.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor they don't use stock motors. They definitely used tuned motors. But a lot of them run maps that literally detune the modded motors lmaoo
@@alltorkadventures1139 If you were around back in the day when people had balls and safety gear was made of composite plastic and your options were 250, xr, or cr500 you would get why we all are scared of the fucking beast
Bought an RMZ 450 as my first dirtbike after owning a raptor 700 and boy was I not ready for how powerful torquey and heavy that bike was especially for trail riding. That being said I love my 450 and the challenge. It is the best therapist because you won't have time to think about anything else while you're riding
started on a 4 stroke 230, learned many of the basics with that for a full year then moved up to a 4 stroke 390. here's what I learned: the 230 was so slow that once I got on the 390 is when I realized that I must've skipped over the fundamentals of clutch feathering since I never really needed them on the 230...looks like I will be re-learning all those basics all over again more appropriately
I have a 450, im a amateur/intermediate rider I love it, so easy to ride “slow” Just have the body postion right and stay a gear higher Ive been riding 2 years now, i started on a honda 250f (aircooled), then i got a 2011 honda 250r, then i had a honda 125 1999, now i have a kawasaki 450 2012 and im in love
One of the biggest elements here is where do you ride? Where are you getting to know your bike? Are you taking the time to learn to manage the power where you have space for mistakes and learning or are you trying to acclimate to the bike on a track? i went from an xr 200 to an 03 crf450. Absolutely loved the 450. However, i wasn't trying to learn on a track, had trails behind my house that required throttle control and were tight enough mistakes weren't made at speed, or exiting a corner for a jump. My brother had a yfz 450 quad, and tried my crf 450 on a micro jump we had, gave it throttle like it was his quad with no torque, and of course crashed. He rode trail bikes before quads, so its not like he was unfamiliar with bikes, he just was not prepared for the torque and power of the 450. And i never raced. i wasn't trying to compete against anyone when i was on the track, just out having a good time, so its probably worth noting that as well.
Im 21 Been on big bikes for 4 maybe 5 seasons now and im Still on a 250. Just finally got onto a 2021 and im happy with the power for where i am at as a rider. The newer 250's still just feel better to me for now then a 450. I could ride one but dont need to. I want to get good with less power before having a bunch i dont need.
Great advice for most people and all beginners. But, if you have grown up riding 250 2t (the 250 4t just doesn’t feel like enough, IF your near 200 or more pounds, IF you don’t exclusively ride the track (Desert, wide open, or climbing hills). I am sure there are other reasons as well. At some point the big manuf will finally all go to 350, which is probably a good compromise.
I'd just get the YZ 250 myself. but also raised on 2Ts. and want the lightest bike possible. I'm willing to deal with a more finicky motor. (and then wake up on my old arse 20 mins later). 😄
After owning a YZ450F, CRF450 and a KTM450 I finally figured out that the 450 was not the best bike for me. I now ride a Beta 300 2T which suits my riding style much better.
Man, that is so spot-on info. I rode sport quads forever, and made the jump to a bike (2007 crf450r) and that was a massive mistake. I sold it before I got seriously injured, and now Im extremely happy to ride a yz250f. So much more fun.
I love my KX 450, I geared it down and had the suspension done for single track my weight and riding ability, it’s so smooth and tracks so good and when I need that power it is ready to go, the only down fall it works so well for me it made me a lazy rider well at least I feel like it, I don’t have too work very hard when everyone around me are working so hard, your right it’s not for everyone but for some it’s near perfect, just saying motor on.
After riding the 2 stroke for a while I tried a 450 and found them so much easier to ride. Lotta power though, can easily catch you out if you're not careful
This explanation was the best way I have ever heard of for having the right mind set for riding any style bike or quad. You explained it so perfect and it's hard to do this sometimes. People take way to much pride in their level of riding skill but in their own heads they k own the fight or flight feeling as well as that smooth comfort of knowing their bike so well that they can pay attention to the motions instead of worry about their actions. Thank you for explaining it so perfect.
We see it first hand all the time with young guns coming in with 450s trying to impress, but when things get crazy... and they do... they either crash or come close to it.
@@TheMxFactory I think for a lot of beginners on 450s that first big spill will deter them from riding again as well. More HP more dangerous, simple as that. Great video!! Keep it up 🤙
still gonna have mine for as long as i can. long live the 450 class. the 250 class is a very refined field, but i like having that amount of power under me.
just rode my 250f at the dunes and had 0 problems. Rode my brothers 450 and it was awesome too. His overheated on the trails. Thinking of getting a 250 2t, I havent decided yet.
@@Jasonthraen dont really ever need to go THAT fast unless your on a flat lol. 250 keeps up just fine everywhere. Just riding a slower biker harder which can be more fun. We were on wood sand trails in some loose sand so probably a lot of rpms and not enough speed overheated it. Ill probably get a 450 before I go next time! Id like to have both
I went straight from a 2008 ttr230 to a 2020 crf450r. The first couple rides were a bit rough but after that it just seemed to click. I compared it to my friends 2018 crf250r and I can lug mine and be more relaxed with the throttle than I can on his. You definitely have to get to the point where correct technique is muscle memory. So it’s good to max out a bike before switching to a new one whether it’s a 250 or a 450.
Thank you for the insight in this video! You laid it out perfectly. I rode 20 years ago on a 2-stroke 250, and now that I am back riding again, re-learning technique, the 450 is definitely too much power/torque for me. I am 200 pounds and currently ride an RMZ250 and a CRF250-R. These bikes absolutely scream and have tons of power for the trails as well as the track, but I am not racing or hitting massive tabletops so don't need a 450....Maybe one day I will go to a trail version 450 like the 450X or maybe a KTM.
I just think about it like this, the pros constantly have to practice to ride the 450s the way they’re meant to... nobody else practices like that. Even the pros mess up riding 450s so a regular person... you know where this goes 😂
I totally agree man I haven't had a dirtbike in 20 years and went and bought a KX250 2-stroke because that's the last bike I had years ago and I ended up whiskey throttling and needed ACL surgery with a wife and two kids and I'm the only one working needless to say I bought a bike with a little too much power right off the bat after not riding for so long I now have a RMZ 250 4 stroke it is the perfect amount of power for a 43 year old man with a wife and two kids lol
450’s are the race bikes, my dad and brothers ride 450’s but they are way toooooooooooo professional. My dad has a Honda CF 450 r and it’s 2009 model. My brothers got the same 450 but 2019 models. I only got a 125 and 250 but when I’m as good as my brothers and dad, I’m allowed to get a 450. I am good enough for it but I’m not ready yet so maybe in a few months, few years I can start
My first bike was a 1983 Kawasaki KD80 which I purchased in 1986. I had HUGE reservations about getting a 450, but bought a 2022 KX450 this year after spending 4 seasons on a Husky 350. I'm 47 and ride predominantly moto. I have less than 5 hours on the 450 and with stock suspension I am already WAY more comfortable than I ever was on my custom 350. It is just SO easy to be smooth and precise. I demolished my right wrist in the past which required 2 surgeries. With limited mobility I find it difficult to turn the throttle all the way to 100% (which was often required of the 350). I have definitely had to perfect the technique of constantly re-gripping and staying fully relaxed in the hands while riding. I love that with the 450 I can just roll it on and the power is there. At first I was so scared so I rode with the black coupler and had the constant thought "holy crap I'm riding a 450". Once I realized the bike isn't the insane beast it's hyped to be, I went to the green coupler and mentally relaxed. I should add I have tried a lot of other people's 450's and never liked the feel as compared to my KX, but those WERE other people's bikes. I should also add that I love the longer maintenance intervals since I normally keep my bikes 3-4 years.
I do agree with everything you’re saying for sure, I went from a crf230 to a exc500, bike jump, but after a year or so I got really comfortable with the Ktm
Talking about a slower bike to learn.. I bought a sur-ron just to mess around with and am convinced making turn tracks on that thing has significantly improved my riding
What is it classified as legally? Is it just an e-bike or is it considered a e-motorcycle? I’ve seen people on TH-cam ride them on the roads so do they have to get a plate, license, and insurance or is it more like a moped?
I've heard this a few times now from experienced riders, that the 450 is almost unnecessarily fast, even for pros. There's a disconnect between the manufacturers and the training provided to the riders using them. I'm on a 350 (shoutout KTM) and it is very much enough bike for all the tasks required for a moto. Big ups Tyler, you and the MXFactory crew are champion 🤙
@@alexegner4215 I have ridden 450s and I'm 215 and I could deal with it fine but I rather ride a 350. The only thing I like better is the pull out of the corners
@@alexegner4215 honestly I think the the 450 is too powerful for mx riding and even top of line pros are saying the same thing. The pro ridwr want everyone to start limiting everything to 350cc
everything youve said is why i ride a 450 and i never even raced before if you can handle the bike and like the power then ride whatever it is, i like my 450 cause its way less effort to get the power im looking for vs a 250
I am glad I bought a yz125 to ride. It was hard making the decision between a crf250 or a yz125. The 125 has really shown me my problems with my ridding.
I’ll embrace my 08 kx450, things got balls I don’t care what anyone says, does it’s best to keep up with the newer bikes but I love it because it’s the first to tell you to settle down
450's have their place, you can run them lower in the revs to track better in the rough, reduced rebuild intervals vs 250 due to less RPM/Load. Great in the woods you don't need to shift as much and also awesome in deep sand which was very important at my last Enduro. Can get you out of trouble but can also get you into trouble if your not careful.
I rode a 97 rm125 for a month in the spring. Decided it wasnt fast enough, went and scooped a 22 yz450f. I absolutely love my 450. Im pretty new to dirt bikes but ive ridden harleys for years. Now i dont race, i trail ride. But since i got the 450 i havent even started the rm. i a, thinking about selling the rm and buying a 23 yz125.
i agree Daniel. I love my 2013 KX450F. Love the smooth power and torque. I don't have to max it out to have a good time. But im 6'4 250lbs and the 450 was a good fit. of course it wasnt my first dirt bike. I had a 125 2stroke before this, and various street bikes, and a racing quad (predator 500)
Old vet rider here, 57 years old, former local pro, I ride a YZ250 2 stroke since that’s what I rode when I raced. But rode a buddies 4 stroke yz450f a few weeks ago and liked the smooth power (a lot of it) but I tried to lug it also and it just pulled rather than get crazy. After a few laps I turned the same lap times as my 250 and wasn’t pushing hard since I was my buddies bike plus not set up for me. When I raced way back in the day the comment about starts was an issue, since our local races often ran 250/open pro together, and the 500 2strokes always were hard to beat on a fast start straight so ya had your work cut out for you and starting was a disadvantage.
I whole heartedly agree....but also own a 450 and a 250 two stroke. I started riding mx at 16 on a 250 two stroke so I never started properly. I have owned 250fs and they are much more nimble but I really didn't like how I had to rev them out. Smiles per miles 250 2t all day. Ease of riding. 450. But honestly if I was buying a new bike today a 350 would be the way to go.
I totally agree on nobody really NEEDS a 450. Would love to see more 350’s enter the industry! Waiting for Honda to enter the game (if they even do) before I pull the trigger on one! My 2019 CRF 250 (bored out to a 270) is plenty of power for now 🤙🏼
Totally, 100% agree with you. On a 250 I can ride a bit longer especially when I’m tired. The 450. The second I feel fatigued, I park it on the trailer and crack a beer and enjoy some conversation. Recently bought a beta 300rr and now that is my go to practice bike. Still ride the fc450, but only when I’m feeling 100%
I recently got a 2016 fc450 as a track bike and I honestly hate it. I've only been on a track/ competitive setting on weekends maybe 8-10 times so far. Bikes fast, love the bike. But took a 2021 KTM 250sxf out for a rip, didn't get tired, had fun beating the bike, still cleared all the jumps and generally just had a better more fun time
Rode a lot as a child, still athletic and in shape, but I’m buying a KTM 150 SX, plan on tapping it out for a year or two before I get a 250/450. More fun to max a bike out and learn the technique. 450 is too much power to feel comfortable pushing yourself early on
I never have riden on a mx track with any bike and never will. But i just love my Honda Crf 450r, only pull the throttle when it is a straight road, a little adrenaline rush Fridays after work :)
exactly. Me too. I agree with all that you said, and that's the same way I ride. No tracks. Prob never will, but sure doesn't mean I don't like my 2013 KX450F especially on the straight ways on the road, and off the road when safe. I like the torque and power of a 450. (on the straight ways)
Here's my problem with this video. You guys that post these anti-450 videos NEVER mention COST OF MX RACING. Yes, you mention cost of the bike being more, but in all reality spending a little more up front on a 450 saves you a TON in the long haul. A 450 has exponentially more longevity than a 250. The 450 can perform the same tasks as the 250 while being under much less stress and load obviously. Is it a beginner bike? No. BUT if you're on a BUDGET, a 450 is the CHEAPEST way to race motocross today. Air filters and oil changes and they last a LONG time.
I've been riding for like 40 years this year is the first year where I decided maybe I don't need450 anymore I want a 350sxf or Husqvarna but definitely people get educated I see a lot of people at my local track out there on a 450 when they really need something way less
I was a competitive 250B racer before joining the military and am about to buy my first bike in 10 years. Def going with 350. 450s were fast and fun easy to be smooth. Excited to try new 350s.
I just got a 22 crf450rwe and love it. They are a lot to handle but I love mine. You need to come back to elk city OK and teach another class. Really enjoyed it.
Another factor is how deeply disced your local tracks usually are. The bigger bikes certainly pull better when the dirt is deep. Less of an issue on a firmer track.
Now I switch from BETA RR 125 4 stroke to BETA RR390 4STROKE huge difference in power but once used to the 390 gives me much more controle in the turns and overall because rpm are lower and PowerBand much longer. Like you say bike is more relaxed so more controle . (been riding from 8years old but had a break while horseriding)
I value the honesty on this TH-cam video. I think a lot of people that have 450 are experienced Riders as shown here. Kudos to all the experience writers that can handle a 450.
It’s funny you mention this. My first bike was a 2T 1991 KX250 - wayyyyyy too much bike for me. It was undersprung, had terrible brakes, and way too abrupt of power. I sold it and bought a KTM 300 XCW. Even though the KTM makes more power, how it delivers the power, and how you can tune the power to be as smooth as glass is what is most important. A 450 is a horrible bike not because of the amount of power - but because the power delivery is abrupt; small mistakes amplify into huge problems that a need rider doesn’t know how to deal with.
People just gotta remember it’s not the bike that controls the throttle, it’s the rider that controls the throttle. There’s a lot of dumb riders out there that don’t appreciate the power a 450 can put out and it scares the hell out of them. Gotta appreciate the power before even getting on that bike, even for a 250. A lot of people thought I was dumb going to a 450 since my last owned bike was a 65. I’m in love with my 450 and have no regrets. I’m also young at 22. I’ve always been a natural at riding no matter what it is, I’ve had friends and family’s with bikes from 150s to 300 2 strokes and been around bikes alot of my life. Didn’t take long for me to get use to the power a 450 puts out. Just gotta be in the right mind to own one. A lot more people get more scared than others and causes them to get sloppy and flustered. I’ve torn my rotator cuff on my 450 crashing due to a poorly built track with a really bad kicker on the jump with really loose dirt on the landing, but didn’t let that stop me or scare me from riding that bike. The whole time I was out of commission the only thing that was on my mind is I wanna get back on that bike again. A 450 is a really fun bike if you can get past the fear and just commit to riding that power house, appreciate the power. The only thing I can say is if you’ve never rode a bike in your life then yes a 450 is probably not for you but it can really go both ways. If you know someone who has a 450, ask them to try it out to see if it fits your needs before buying one for yourself if you’ve never rode a bike in your life. You either got the balls or you don’t that’s all it really comes down to. I never rode a 450 in my life before buying one. The first time I rode it, I was instantly in love with it.
I jumped from a klx 140f to a kx 250x, heard me out. I learned to ride on the 140, perfect bike to learn from I’m also 39 years old and I didn’t wanna spend to much money on something I didn’t know I was gonna like, after one year learning proper technique and many falls 😅I felt it was the right time to upgrade! If you new to the sport Do yourself a favor start small and move up as you progress.
Had 3 x ktm 500exc this year gone to gasgas 350f feels perfict power to weight in the woods can hold it on flick through the trees much easer to ride fast mind you i am 52 year vet
Since I bought my YZ450F, I have become a much more capable and confident rider...I'm not a beginner, but certainly not seasoned. I'm also 6'1" and 260 pounds, and even in my modest amount of experience, I've pretty well maxed my poor little YZ250 out...I love my little 250, but I actually enjoy riding the 450. Having a bike that I don't feel like I'm lugging around is awesome...he's not wrong; the 450 is a beast, but it's a great beast to experience...
totally agree with this. I’m 47 and been riding since I was 6yo. 450’s are monsters and so difficult to control these days. My next bike is going to be a 250 👍
Couldn't agree more with him on this, I wish they would run 350's as the premier class. Many guys get hurt on these 450's without experience, 125 and now 250-f bikes have always given me fun and fast enough on the track, I never moved up and still ride fast enough plus its so agile.
Yep, I like a 450 for MX, I am a Vet rider and like you are saying I ride the bike a gear high and lug around the track. That being said my YZ450FX was a beast of a machine for desert racing, particularly if the course was rather tight or technical, I find that my KTM 300XC is a better bike in general for trail riding and desert racing at my level as it has tons of power if I want it but usually is a bit easier to hold onto once I get tired - the 450 was scary.
Your right! I'm 54 and just got back into ridding and wanted a kx 250xc I'm 5ft 11 inches tall and on the heavy side 240 ish anyway people were telling me get the 450 get the 450 and I was like no I want to habe fun not just survive the ride I know the 250 is no joke but I think the 450 would be lots of work and not as much fun , so I've had the 250 for 2 months and I made the right choice , it's lots of fun and when I have somewhere to get on it it's plenty fast enough , great video thanks
Hey Best advice ever, someone with 450cc of 🧠you just saved somebody from getting hurt, I have always said respect the bikes and yes I think tracks are getting smaller due to the power increase yearly on the 450s I would say give a 350 to a pro I think the 350 still too fast.
I think my TM Racing 300 2t is more than enough for this big guy! But it's still new, and I worked my way up from a 250F to a 150T, to a 300T. Ready for mods!!!🤘
Agreed. What is Your take on 250 2 stroke in amateur hands? I used to ride those and IMHO they require A LOT of technique. I've switched to 250 4T and I'm riding better than ever.
I got a 94 RM250 2 stroke as my first bike. It really is a lot to handle, only been kicked off it once and thankfully I had all my gear on so no injuries. I use it for light enduro riding and don’t race. But even without racing it’s still a serious monster. I think that a 125cc 2 stroke or 250cc 4 stroke is honestly the biggest thing. I would ever need. But I bought the bike with a friend so I can’t really sell it and downsize haha
it's all about horsepower. always has and always will be. I went from a 125 straight to a 450. only rode 1 250f. hated how stiff the clutch was because it was mot adjusted right so I only rode it for 5 mins. I've never been able to try and get comfy on a 250f.
I seen people who started on 450s but they took it slowly, but they didn’t do motocross street and trail riding. Personally from my experience if your not doing motocross and can probably start on a bigger cc bike but a 450 is a little too much power. I never ride motorcross so it was easier for me to start on bigger bikes
I ride a tricked out 2008 YZ 125 it definitely lacks power over a 250f but when you have it in the sweet spot it rides like a Dream you just have to be more aggressive with it and really think ahead of what you are going to do next, my next bike will be a YZ 250f or a KX 250f
1:14 If you have corner speed on a 2 stroke.....you have loads of corner speed on a 4 stroke. Im glad Yamaha, KTM, etc have continued the 2 stroke game. Having a CR 125r and a CR 250r...hopping on a buddies 4 stroke is for sure nice...but you can get lazy real quick. Thanks for all you guys do. Peace
Yea yea nobody NEEDS a 450, just like nobody needs a compound turbo cummins, or a 1600hp civic, or a turbo yamaha r1 its about the thrill right ? If you cant handle it thats on you not the machine
i love Ur advise, i 100% agree with u, and I'm getting a 450 hopefully hear soon but i am 16 so i am on the younger side but my dad was going to get me one before he died so i trust his judgement so I'm going to get one, and i agree with u with the things u have to think about that become natural because at first i disagreed intel i thought about it and i realized that it is just second nature to the point where i didn't remember about it. keep up the good work
Agree… first bike I bought was a Honda 2008 450.. was a good bike but always felt that I had to draw the limit.. switched to KTM 350 sxf.. loved it! Got a bit greedy and grabbed a KTM 450 six days! Hated it.. sold it and went back to a used 2013 KTM 350 sxf… 350 is the answer 🤙🏻
I'm curious as to what everyone's progression of bikes is. Mine was: PW80, YZ80(87/95), KDX250(91), RM250(93), CR500(95), DRZ400(04), CRF250(05), CRF450(05), KX250(96). I'm 29 and have ridden since I was 6 but haven't ridden much in the last 10 years. Just getting back into it and looking at 250 2t or 250/450 4t
50cc (12yrs old) 85cc (13yrsold) 250quad (14) now YZ250 (30yrs) kinda want a 450 been riding 4 days but I'm 250lbs, 6'. Experience came right back. Trails are great for 250 but open track/road I want a 450 or Enduro250
My friend got a great deal on a KX450 built w absolutely everything. Its honestly like an ET3 replica. He had a KX250 2 steoke for just a few months prior so its basically his 1st bike ever. Well he injured himself badly (back injury) on it and now constantly wishes he had a 250. Seen if 1st hand!
I just got into the sport and the salesman told me the same thing to not get a 450. I ended up buying a yz250x and I love the bike, its not too powerful, but its powerful enough in the sand here in southern California. So far, the best decision i've made.
Good advice... this is why I went with the 500 :)
ME TOO ....2021 BETA 500RR-S
As a 50+ Vet rider, I find riding a 450 to be easier for me and safer. I've ridden a 250f and currently own a GasGas450. As an older rider that still wants to clear jumps but who doesn't quite have the corner speed I used to, the 450 is easier to ride. I can cruise through the corner and with a blip of the throttle, still clear most jumps on the track. I have enough experience to know that I can't just hammer the throttle whenever I want and get away with it. I need to be smooth and precise and have good throttle control on the 450.
Same. I just got a '21 Crf450 after not riding for 12 years and I had so many people trying to convince me to go 250/350. So glad i went with my gut feeling. Bike is amazing and super easy to ride. People who say 450s are overpowered either don't have the maturity/experience to control them or just flat out have neve ridden one.
@@Mountain_Yeti A lot of the current top 450 pro riders literally detune their bike because its too much for them. You can watch a lot of interviews of professional riders all saying that a 450 is too much power. It's not about maturity or experience. They are just too much power for what they used for. The only time you really need a 450 is for dunes and open desert riding in some cases.
Exactly!! This guy thinks 90% of the population are weak little soy boys. Totally forgets guys weigh 175lbs+ and still love ripping around. It's like he's training all little girls ? I absolutely wash out the suspension on a 250 just cornering it. Whoops, table tops forget it !!
@@Brandon-ot9yn professionals do not take power away period !! More use stock motors now because they're that good !! They 100% never run a bike underpowered from what it goes for from a dealership. Just because one or two people say it, doesn't make it true. They definitely run custom maps and now that's just facts.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor they don't use stock motors. They definitely used tuned motors. But a lot of them run maps that literally detune the modded motors lmaoo
Should’ve just titled the video “your not as good as me” 😂
Facts this guy needs to get over himself
Id like to see him try to tame a cr500!.
Lol no he’s completely right actually....95% of people shouldnt have a 450
@@alltorkadventures1139 If you were around back in the day when people had balls and safety gear was made of composite plastic and your options were 250, xr, or cr500 you would get why we all are scared of the fucking beast
@@alltorkadventures1139 a 2 stroke cc is equivalent to 4 stroke cc x2 so a cr 500 is equivalent to a 1000cc 4 stroke.
I got a crf450R and it’s a beast especially when you haven’t got a clue what your doing 😂😉 pray for me people 🙏😘
Lol I will.
Good luck bud
😆 Did the same with a crf450RL 🙏🏽✌🏽🙂
I will
Me too 🙄
Bought an RMZ 450 as my first dirtbike after owning a raptor 700 and boy was I not ready for how powerful torquey and heavy that bike was especially for trail riding. That being said I love my 450 and the challenge. It is the best therapist because you won't have time to think about anything else while you're riding
Truth! RMZ450 is a great bike. I too have a '21 Raptor 700R-SE .
Damn bro I just got off a raptor 700r I thought a 450 dirtbike was the same but the bike had way more power
Well said said my guy…..literally said this the other day. This bike(Crf 450rx ) has turned me into a philosopher.
I was given my rmz for free by a friend but its not running yet, thanks for letting me know what im in for😂😂
@@SoggyNugget420 nah I just got off a predator 500 right to a kx450 n my boy it’s stupid power 😂
Im big.....i need a 450.450s also last way longer ,seen alot of 250Fs blow up .Just gotta respect the bike.
started on a 4 stroke 230, learned many of the basics with that for a full year then moved up to a 4 stroke 390. here's what I learned: the 230 was so slow that once I got on the 390 is when I realized that I must've skipped over the fundamentals of clutch feathering since I never really needed them on the 230...looks like I will be re-learning all those basics all over again more appropriately
I have a 450, im a amateur/intermediate rider
I love it, so easy to ride “slow”
Just have the body postion right and stay a gear higher
Ive been riding 2 years now, i started on a honda 250f (aircooled), then i got a 2011 honda 250r, then i had a honda 125 1999, now i have a kawasaki 450 2012 and im in love
I've got the same kx450f 2012 and I love it!
One of the biggest elements here is where do you ride? Where are you getting to know your bike? Are you taking the time to learn to manage the power where you have space for mistakes and learning or are you trying to acclimate to the bike on a track? i went from an xr 200 to an 03 crf450. Absolutely loved the 450. However, i wasn't trying to learn on a track, had trails behind my house that required throttle control and were tight enough mistakes weren't made at speed, or exiting a corner for a jump.
My brother had a yfz 450 quad, and tried my crf 450 on a micro jump we had, gave it throttle like it was his quad with no torque, and of course crashed. He rode trail bikes before quads, so its not like he was unfamiliar with bikes, he just was not prepared for the torque and power of the 450.
And i never raced. i wasn't trying to compete against anyone when i was on the track, just out having a good time, so its probably worth noting that as well.
Im 21 Been on big bikes for 4 maybe 5 seasons now and im Still on a 250. Just finally got onto a 2021 and im happy with the power for where i am at as a rider. The newer 250's still just feel better to me for now then a 450. I could ride one but dont need to. I want to get good with less power before having a bunch i dont need.
Great advice for most people and all beginners. But, if you have grown up riding 250 2t (the 250 4t just doesn’t feel like enough, IF your near 200 or more pounds, IF you don’t exclusively ride the track (Desert, wide open, or climbing hills). I am sure there are other reasons as well. At some point the big manuf will finally all go to 350, which is probably a good compromise.
Then the next biggest thing is a 350 cheater (big bore kit), it never stops.
I'd just get the YZ 250 myself. but also raised on 2Ts. and want the lightest bike possible. I'm willing to deal with a more finicky motor. (and then wake up on my old arse 20 mins later). 😄
Bought a 2020 YZ450F as my very first MX bike thinking my ATV skills would translate....I am sure you can guess what happened next hahaha
I almost did this too 😂😂
Same thing happened to kyle from the dirtbike channel!
A buddy bought the slightly used YZ450F that I mentioned in another comment for a bargain from a guy that did the same thing. 💰
Is it still for sale? Lol
You got your AMA pro license now???
After owning a YZ450F, CRF450 and a KTM450 I finally figured out that the 450 was not the best bike for me. I now ride a Beta 300 2T which suits my riding style much better.
Right on!
i just got a beta 300 2t. Best decision i’ve made
Just bought a beta 250rr coming off a crf450r. Much better do it all bike and so easy to ride
Ha ha you should have tried a Kaw 450
Cr500
Man, that is so spot-on info. I rode sport quads forever, and made the jump to a bike (2007 crf450r) and that was a massive mistake. I sold it before I got seriously injured, and now Im extremely happy to ride a yz250f. So much more fun.
Those were very rude bikes hop on a newer 450 it’s like a Cadillac
A seat height nearly to your arm pits is the penalty for having long suspension travel, add too much power and weight and the ER room is waiting
I love my KX 450, I geared it down and had the suspension done for single track my weight and riding ability, it’s so smooth and tracks so good and when I need that power it is ready to go, the only down fall it works so well for me it made me a lazy rider well at least I feel like it, I don’t have too work very hard when everyone around me are working so hard, your right it’s not for everyone but for some it’s near perfect, just saying motor on.
Klx450r smooooth
After riding the 2 stroke for a while I tried a 450 and found them so much easier to ride. Lotta power though, can easily catch you out if you're not careful
This explanation was the best way I have ever heard of for having the right mind set for riding any style bike or quad. You explained it so perfect and it's hard to do this sometimes. People take way to much pride in their level of riding skill but in their own heads they k own the fight or flight feeling as well as that smooth comfort of knowing their bike so well that they can pay attention to the motions instead of worry about their actions. Thank you for explaining it so perfect.
I love the thought about fight or flight with anxiety when riding. It’s so true!
We see it first hand all the time with young guns coming in with 450s trying to impress, but when things get crazy... and they do... they either crash or come close to it.
@@TheMxFactory I think for a lot of beginners on 450s that first big spill will deter them from riding again as well. More HP more dangerous, simple as that. Great video!! Keep it up 🤙
still gonna have mine for as long as i can. long live the 450 class. the 250 class is a very refined field, but i like having that amount of power under me.
Bought a CRF450R after riding a CRF100 last year only 2 times. I really really like the power on it its great
Crazy Upgrade!! It's a Wonder you are Still With Us!! I Upgraded from a Cr250r 2t & It was Still a Shock to the System! Good Luck👍😉
I started on a rmz 450 and it’s not that bad you can have fun with the power just still going to have to respect that power🚫🧢
At the dunes a 450 is a must
just rode my 250f at the dunes and had 0 problems. Rode my brothers 450 and it was awesome too. His overheated on the trails. Thinking of getting a 250 2t, I havent decided yet.
@@ABones-bm3vq yeah you can always ride a 450 slower but can’t ride a 250 faster. The over heating must be a bike problem
@@Jasonthraen dont really ever need to go THAT fast unless your on a flat lol. 250 keeps up just fine everywhere. Just riding a slower biker harder which can be more fun. We were on wood sand trails in some loose sand so probably a lot of rpms and not enough speed overheated it. Ill probably get a 450 before I go next time! Id like to have both
I went straight from a 2008 ttr230 to a 2020 crf450r. The first couple rides were a bit rough but after that it just seemed to click. I compared it to my friends 2018 crf250r and I can lug mine and be more relaxed with the throttle than I can on his. You definitely have to get to the point where correct technique is muscle memory. So it’s good to max out a bike before switching to a new one whether it’s a 250 or a 450.
I don't like 450s bc they seem like they are too much, even the pros said that they feel more comfortable on the 250s bc they aren't as aggressive
Well you most like likely have never riden on a track and don’t ride much people say that to make people like you not get one and hurt others.
@@Tree-rd9kp I get what youre saying, but id have to agree that a 250 for the most part is more than enough for anyone
@@Tree-rd9kp I've ridden my dads ktm450sxf around the track dude and my pfp is my bike its a 150sx
I have a 2024 CRF 450r I ripped it this morning for Christmas absolutely love it...and haven't rode anything in 15 years
Thank you for the insight in this video! You laid it out perfectly. I rode 20 years ago on a 2-stroke 250, and now that I am back riding again, re-learning technique, the 450 is definitely too much power/torque for me. I am 200 pounds and currently ride an RMZ250 and a CRF250-R. These bikes absolutely scream and have tons of power for the trails as well as the track, but I am not racing or hitting massive tabletops so don't need a 450....Maybe one day I will go to a trail version 450 like the 450X or maybe a KTM.
I just think about it like this, the pros constantly have to practice to ride the 450s the way they’re meant to... nobody else practices like that. Even the pros mess up riding 450s so a regular person... you know where this goes 😂
So true.
Cr500
The 250 pros also mess up dies this mean you shouldn’t buy a 250
I'm 47 and just got into dirt bikes last year. I bought a 2021 GasGas EX250F. I love it and it has more power than I'll ever need.
I totally agree man I haven't had a dirtbike in 20 years and went and bought a KX250 2-stroke because that's the last bike I had years ago and I ended up whiskey throttling and needed ACL surgery with a wife and two kids and I'm the only one working needless to say I bought a bike with a little too much power right off the bat after not riding for so long I now have a RMZ 250 4 stroke it is the perfect amount of power for a 43 year old man with a wife and two kids lol
I call my crf450r 19. The beauty and the beast
Lot of power and gentle
450’s are the race bikes, my dad and brothers ride 450’s but they are way toooooooooooo professional. My dad has a Honda CF 450 r and it’s 2009 model. My brothers got the same 450 but 2019 models. I only got a 125 and 250 but when I’m as good as my brothers and dad, I’m allowed to get a 450. I am good enough for it but I’m not ready yet so maybe in a few months, few years I can start
at least you have a cool dad! I was an adult before I was allowed to get my first motorcycle.
Eli recently said for most of the Moto you’re just trying not to wreck. Barely even thinking about racing.
Because he often fall 😂 jk
My first bike was a 1983 Kawasaki KD80 which I purchased in 1986. I had HUGE reservations about getting a 450, but bought a 2022 KX450 this year after spending 4 seasons on a Husky 350.
I'm 47 and ride predominantly moto. I have less than 5 hours on the 450 and with stock suspension I am already WAY more comfortable than I ever was on my custom 350. It is just SO easy to be smooth and precise. I demolished my right wrist in the past which required 2 surgeries. With limited mobility I find it difficult to turn the throttle all the way to 100% (which was often required of the 350). I have definitely had to perfect the technique of constantly re-gripping and staying fully relaxed in the hands while riding. I love that with the 450 I can just roll it on and the power is there.
At first I was so scared so I rode with the black coupler and had the constant thought "holy crap I'm riding a 450". Once I realized the bike isn't the insane beast it's hyped to be, I went to the green coupler and mentally relaxed. I should add I have tried a lot of other people's 450's and never liked the feel as compared to my KX, but those WERE other people's bikes.
I should also add that I love the longer maintenance intervals since I normally keep my bikes 3-4 years.
I do agree with everything you’re saying for sure, I went from a crf230 to a exc500, bike jump, but after a year or so I got really comfortable with the Ktm
Talking about a slower bike to learn.. I bought a sur-ron just to mess around with and am convinced making turn tracks on that thing has significantly improved my riding
Storm bee?
@@ninja1970fin lunacycle.com/sur-ron-x-bike-black-edition/
What is it classified as legally? Is it just an e-bike or is it considered a e-motorcycle? I’ve seen people on TH-cam ride them on the roads so do they have to get a plate, license, and insurance or is it more like a moped?
Best youtube comment I have seen was. Its more fun going fast on a slow bike then going slow on a fast bike. I got a husky Fe 250 love it.
I've heard this a few times now from experienced riders, that the 450 is almost unnecessarily fast, even for pros. There's a disconnect between the manufacturers and the training provided to the riders using them. I'm on a 350 (shoutout KTM) and it is very much enough bike for all the tasks required for a moto. Big ups Tyler, you and the MXFactory crew are champion 🤙
What’s your weight?
@@alexegner4215 I have ridden 450s and I'm 215 and I could deal with it fine but I rather ride a 350. The only thing I like better is the pull out of the corners
@@alexegner4215 honestly I think the the 450 is too powerful for mx riding and even top of line pros are saying the same thing. The pro ridwr want everyone to start limiting everything to 350cc
"you shouldn't buy a 450" me just buy a cr500 and hang on tight 😂
That’s exactly what I did a month ago. I regret nothing.
funny thing is though a modern 450 is quicker than a 500
everything youve said is why i ride a 450 and i never even raced before if you can handle the bike and like the power then ride whatever it is, i like my 450 cause its way less effort to get the power im looking for vs a 250
I am glad I bought a yz125 to ride. It was hard making the decision between a crf250 or a yz125. The 125 has really shown me my problems with my ridding.
I’ll embrace my 08 kx450, things got balls I don’t care what anyone says, does it’s best to keep up with the newer bikes but I love it because it’s the first to tell you to settle down
450's have their place, you can run them lower in the revs to track better in the rough, reduced rebuild intervals vs 250 due to less RPM/Load. Great in the woods you don't need to shift as much and also awesome in deep sand which was very important at my last Enduro. Can get you out of trouble but can also get you into trouble if your not careful.
I rode a 97 rm125 for a month in the spring. Decided it wasnt fast enough, went and scooped a 22 yz450f. I absolutely love my 450. Im pretty new to dirt bikes but ive ridden harleys for years. Now i dont race, i trail ride. But since i got the 450 i havent even started the rm. i a, thinking about selling the rm and buying a 23 yz125.
Great points on the 450, it’s a bunch of power always on demand. I love my 450, but don’t need the power at all.
Sounds like a girl 🤣
@@larrysmoove9653 Like your sister 😉
i agree Daniel. I love my 2013 KX450F. Love the smooth power and torque. I don't have to max it out to have a good time. But im 6'4 250lbs and the 450 was a good fit. of course it wasnt my first dirt bike. I had a 125 2stroke before this, and various street bikes, and a racing quad (predator 500)
@@fundamentalBaptist1711 I understand totally, and I’m 6 ft. 220, so my bike fits me as well. Always having more grunt it nice, and I love it!
Old vet rider here, 57 years old, former local pro, I ride a YZ250 2 stroke since that’s what I rode when I raced. But rode a buddies 4 stroke yz450f a few weeks ago and liked the smooth power (a lot of it) but I tried to lug it also and it just pulled rather than get crazy. After a few laps I turned the same lap times as my 250 and wasn’t pushing hard since I was my buddies bike plus not set up for me. When I raced way back in the day the comment about starts was an issue, since our local races often ran 250/open pro together, and the 500 2strokes always were hard to beat on a fast start straight so ya had your work cut out for you and starting was a disadvantage.
I whole heartedly agree....but also own a 450 and a 250 two stroke. I started riding mx at 16 on a 250 two stroke so I never started properly. I have owned 250fs and they are much more nimble but I really didn't like how I had to rev them out. Smiles per miles 250 2t all day. Ease of riding. 450. But honestly if I was buying a new bike today a 350 would be the way to go.
I totally agree on nobody really NEEDS a 450. Would love to see more 350’s enter the industry! Waiting for Honda to enter the game (if they even do) before I pull the trigger on one! My 2019 CRF 250 (bored out to a 270) is plenty of power for now 🤙🏼
Truth.
Cr500
“Nobody needs” a 450 until you hook up a timbersled riot 3
Bought The 450 for yourself and telling others not to buy 🤔🤔 you gotta practice what you preach!!
He is better than everyone else. It’s just that simple.
I started on a 230, quickly upgraded to a yz450f and it's great
start smart finish fast!
230? May I ask what kind of dirt bike has that cc?
@@MrJokkoma There are some. Honda CRF230 , Yamaha TTR230.
@@davidmonte8305 ok but more of a trailbike than for race use I assume.
@@MrJokkoma yeah
450s are also great if you ride sand because that extra power helps you carry momentum in deep sand
Congrats on the new bike man! Looks absolutely mint 😻🔥
Appreciate it!!
Totally, 100% agree with you. On a 250 I can ride a bit longer especially when I’m tired. The 450. The second I feel fatigued, I park it on the trailer and crack a beer and enjoy some conversation. Recently bought a beta 300rr and now that is my go to practice bike. Still ride the fc450, but only when I’m feeling 100%
I recently got a 2016 fc450 as a track bike and I honestly hate it. I've only been on a track/ competitive setting on weekends maybe 8-10 times so far. Bikes fast, love the bike. But took a 2021 KTM 250sxf out for a rip, didn't get tired, had fun beating the bike, still cleared all the jumps and generally just had a better more fun time
Rode a lot as a child, still athletic and in shape, but I’m buying a KTM 150 SX, plan on tapping it out for a year or two before I get a 250/450.
More fun to max a bike out and learn the technique. 450 is too much power to feel comfortable pushing yourself early on
I never have riden on a mx track with any bike and never will. But i just love my Honda Crf 450r, only pull the throttle when it is a straight road, a little adrenaline rush Fridays after work :)
exactly. Me too. I agree with all that you said, and that's the same way I ride. No tracks. Prob never will, but sure doesn't mean I don't like my 2013 KX450F especially on the straight ways on the road, and off the road when safe. I like the torque and power of a 450. (on the straight ways)
Here's my problem with this video.
You guys that post these anti-450 videos NEVER mention COST OF MX RACING. Yes, you mention cost of the bike being more, but in all reality spending a little more up front on a 450 saves you a TON in the long haul. A 450 has exponentially more longevity than a 250. The 450 can perform the same tasks as the 250 while being under much less stress and load obviously.
Is it a beginner bike? No. BUT if you're on a BUDGET, a 450 is the CHEAPEST way to race motocross today. Air filters and oil changes and they last a LONG time.
I've been riding for like 40 years this year is the first year where I decided maybe I don't need450 anymore I want a 350sxf or Husqvarna but definitely people get educated I see a lot of people at my local track out there on a 450 when they really need something way less
I was a competitive 250B racer before joining the military and am about to buy my first bike in 10 years. Def going with 350. 450s were fast and fun easy to be smooth. Excited to try new 350s.
I just got a 22 crf450rwe and love it. They are a lot to handle but I love mine. You need to come back to elk city OK and teach another class. Really enjoyed it.
Another factor is how deeply disced your local tracks usually are. The bigger bikes certainly pull better when the dirt is deep. Less of an issue on a firmer track.
Now I switch from BETA RR 125 4 stroke to BETA RR390 4STROKE huge difference in power but once used to the 390 gives me much more controle in the turns and overall because rpm are lower and PowerBand much longer. Like you say bike is more relaxed so more controle . (been riding from 8years old but had a break while horseriding)
I value the honesty on this TH-cam video. I think a lot of people that have 450 are experienced Riders as shown here. Kudos to all the experience writers that can handle a 450.
my first bike was honda crf450 2008 for trails and enduro i couldn’t be happier
It’s funny you mention this. My first bike was a 2T 1991 KX250 - wayyyyyy too much bike for me. It was undersprung, had terrible brakes, and way too abrupt of power. I sold it and bought a KTM 300 XCW. Even though the KTM makes more power, how it delivers the power, and how you can tune the power to be as smooth as glass is what is most important.
A 450 is a horrible bike not because of the amount of power - but because the power delivery is abrupt; small mistakes amplify into huge problems that a need rider doesn’t know how to deal with.
People just gotta remember it’s not the bike that controls the throttle, it’s the rider that controls the throttle. There’s a lot of dumb riders out there that don’t appreciate the power a 450 can put out and it scares the hell out of them. Gotta appreciate the power before even getting on that bike, even for a 250. A lot of people thought I was dumb going to a 450 since my last owned bike was a 65. I’m in love with my 450 and have no regrets. I’m also young at 22. I’ve always been a natural at riding no matter what it is, I’ve had friends and family’s with bikes from 150s to 300 2 strokes and been around bikes alot of my life. Didn’t take long for me to get use to the power a 450 puts out. Just gotta be in the right mind to own one. A lot more people get more scared than others and causes them to get sloppy and flustered. I’ve torn my rotator cuff on my 450 crashing due to a poorly built track with a really bad kicker on the jump with really loose dirt on the landing, but didn’t let that stop me or scare me from riding that bike. The whole time I was out of commission the only thing that was on my mind is I wanna get back on that bike again. A 450 is a really fun bike if you can get past the fear and just commit to riding that power house, appreciate the power. The only thing I can say is if you’ve never rode a bike in your life then yes a 450 is probably not for you but it can really go both ways. If you know someone who has a 450, ask them to try it out to see if it fits your needs before buying one for yourself if you’ve never rode a bike in your life. You either got the balls or you don’t that’s all it really comes down to. I never rode a 450 in my life before buying one. The first time I rode it, I was instantly in love with it.
I just started riding dirt bikes on a 450 yz about last year it’s an 03 I’m getting better everyday!
I jumped from a klx 140f to a kx 250x, heard me out. I learned to ride on the 140, perfect bike to learn from I’m also 39 years old and I didn’t wanna spend to much money on something I didn’t know I was gonna like, after one year learning proper technique and many falls 😅I felt it was the right time to upgrade!
If you new to the sport Do yourself a favor start small and move up as you progress.
I got a 450 because I’m 6’3 and 230lbs and the 250f doesn’t like lugging my big ass over triples. I’ve also been riding since I was 6.
currently going from a talaria to a ktm 450. thanks im still gonna get it
Any bike is fine as long as you have great throttle control
Tyler could you please do a video on your racing career?
Had 3 x ktm 500exc this year gone to gasgas 350f feels perfict power to weight in the woods can hold it on flick through the trees much easer to ride fast mind you i am 52 year vet
Since I bought my YZ450F, I have become a much more capable and confident rider...I'm not a beginner, but certainly not seasoned. I'm also 6'1" and 260 pounds, and even in my modest amount of experience, I've pretty well maxed my poor little YZ250 out...I love my little 250, but I actually enjoy riding the 450. Having a bike that I don't feel like I'm lugging around is awesome...he's not wrong; the 450 is a beast, but it's a great beast to experience...
My own first bike was a yz 450 . I wasn’t ready for it . That being said , I’m glad I did because it is what made me as good as I am today .
Im getting 450 aswell
totally agree with this. I’m 47 and been riding since I was 6yo. 450’s are monsters and so difficult to control these days. My next bike is going to be a 250 👍
I ride sport ATVs mainly. Looking into a '22 250 4 stroke dirt bike this summer. Kawi or Yamaha! - Ohio
Couldn't agree more with him on this, I wish they would run 350's as the premier class. Many guys get hurt on these 450's without experience, 125 and now 250-f bikes have always given me fun and fast enough on the track, I never moved up and still ride fast enough plus its so agile.
Yep, I like a 450 for MX, I am a Vet rider and like you are saying I ride the bike a gear high and lug around the track. That being said my YZ450FX was a beast of a machine for desert racing, particularly if the course was rather tight or technical, I find that my KTM 300XC is a better bike in general for trail riding and desert racing at my level as it has tons of power if I want it but usually is a bit easier to hold onto once I get tired - the 450 was scary.
Your right! I'm 54 and just got back into ridding and wanted a kx 250xc I'm 5ft 11 inches tall and on the heavy side 240 ish anyway people were telling me get the 450 get the 450 and I was like no I want to habe fun not just survive the ride I know the 250 is no joke but I think the 450 would be lots of work and not as much fun , so I've had the 250 for 2 months and I made the right choice , it's lots of fun and when I have somewhere to get on it it's plenty fast enough , great video thanks
Hey Best advice ever, someone with 450cc of 🧠you just saved somebody from getting hurt, I have always said respect the bikes and yes I think tracks are getting smaller due to the power increase yearly on the 450s I would say give a 350 to a pro I think the 350 still too fast.
I think my TM Racing 300 2t is more than enough for this big guy! But it's still new, and I worked my way up from a 250F to a 150T, to a 300T. Ready for mods!!!🤘
Agreed. What is Your take on 250 2 stroke in amateur hands?
I used to ride those and IMHO they require A LOT of technique. I've switched to 250 4T and I'm riding better than ever.
I got a 94 RM250 2 stroke as my first bike. It really is a lot to handle, only been kicked off it once and thankfully I had all my gear on so no injuries. I use it for light enduro riding and don’t race. But even without racing it’s still a serious monster.
I think that a 125cc 2 stroke or 250cc 4 stroke is honestly the biggest thing. I would ever need. But I bought the bike with a friend so I can’t really sell it and downsize haha
it's all about horsepower. always has and always will be. I went from a 125 straight to a 450. only rode 1 250f. hated how stiff the clutch was because it was mot adjusted right so I only rode it for 5 mins. I've never been able to try and get comfy on a 250f.
I seen people who started on 450s but they took it slowly, but they didn’t do motocross street and trail riding. Personally from my experience if your not doing motocross and can probably start on a bigger cc bike but a 450 is a little too much power. I never ride motorcross so it was easier for me to start on bigger bikes
I ride a tricked out 2008 YZ 125 it definitely lacks power over a 250f but when you have it in the sweet spot it rides like a Dream you just have to be more aggressive with it and really think ahead of what you are going to do next, my next bike will be a YZ 250f or a KX 250f
1:14 If you have corner speed on a 2 stroke.....you have loads of corner speed on a 4 stroke. Im glad Yamaha, KTM, etc have continued the 2 stroke game. Having a CR 125r and a CR 250r...hopping on a buddies 4 stroke is for sure nice...but you can get lazy real quick. Thanks for all you guys do. Peace
Yea yea nobody NEEDS a 450, just like nobody needs a compound turbo cummins, or a 1600hp civic, or a turbo yamaha r1 its about the thrill right ? If you cant handle it thats on you not the machine
i love Ur advise, i 100% agree with u, and I'm getting a 450 hopefully hear soon but i am 16 so i am on the younger side but my dad was going to get me one before he died so i trust his judgement so I'm going to get one, and i agree with u with the things u have to think about that become natural because at first i disagreed intel i thought about it and i realized that it is just second nature to the point where i didn't remember about it. keep up the good work
I bought my 9yr old a 450. I said be careful and be thankful it's electric start.
That’s what I was telling myself today, my kx450 is amazing at the dunes but it’s two hand fulls trying to learn to be quicker.
yea I dont think a 450 is really about being quicker but it feels like your twice as fast and that's really what matters lol
Agree… first bike I bought was a Honda 2008 450.. was a good bike but always felt that I had to draw the limit.. switched to KTM 350 sxf.. loved it! Got a bit greedy and grabbed a KTM 450 six days! Hated it.. sold it and went back to a used 2013 KTM 350 sxf… 350 is the answer 🤙🏻
A 250 is to small for me the 450 definitely works good for me although I would prefer a 350
one of the only dirt bike coaches ill listen to
I'm curious as to what everyone's progression of bikes is.
Mine was: PW80, YZ80(87/95), KDX250(91), RM250(93), CR500(95), DRZ400(04), CRF250(05), CRF450(05), KX250(96).
I'm 29 and have ridden since I was 6 but haven't ridden much in the last 10 years. Just getting back into it and looking at 250 2t or 250/450 4t
50cc (12yrs old) 85cc (13yrsold) 250quad (14) now YZ250 (30yrs) kinda want a 450 been riding 4 days but I'm 250lbs, 6'. Experience came right back. Trails are great for 250 but open track/road I want a 450 or Enduro250
My friend got a great deal on a KX450 built w absolutely everything. Its honestly like an ET3 replica. He had a KX250 2 steoke for just a few months prior so its basically his 1st bike ever. Well he injured himself badly (back injury) on it and now constantly wishes he had a 250. Seen if 1st hand!
I just got into the sport and the salesman told me the same thing to not get a 450. I ended up buying a yz250x and I love the bike, its not too powerful, but its powerful enough in the sand here in southern California. So far, the best decision i've made.
aye man i just bought a 19 yz450f with a full Yoshi exhaust hopefully i still live i am jumping from a 150r pray for me
450 is for offroad riding / desert / hill climbs and wheelies.. love my 19 450fx .. no regrets but I did ride a wr250f for a long time before
450cc is needed for trail riding. Although it still lacks gearing and top speed. 450's 3rd gear has a lot of grunt compared to the weaker 250cc.