Do You Really Need a 450 Dirt Bike? - Episode 109
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It's an honest question. By default, everyone thinks they need the most power available. We think we need the biggest motor with the most horse power, and the fastest possible top speed. Is this the correct line of thinking? Would many of us (including me) be better of with less power? A good rider can squeeze more potential out of a smaller bike than an average rider can squeeze out of a 450. Guess who's going to be faster overall? The point of this video is to get some of my viewers thinking about dropping down in displacement and then focusing on fundamentals to become better riders. I know that some of my riding buddies and I have been thinking about this for some time now. I'm on the lookout for a good 250 four stroke to do some testing on.
This summer, I tested two different 250 4 stroke dirt bikes. I had only ever ridden 450 4 strokes. Guess that I learned. I learned that 250 4 stroke bikes are more fun to ride! They have the same frames, same suspension, same tires, same components, and the same trimmings. They are pretty much identical in every way except for the motors. The great thing about riding a 250 is that it inspires confidence. You can grab a fist full of throttle when coming out of corners without worrying about getting tossed on your backside, and the result is forward motion and shear joy! You end up coming in to corners harder and leaving them with more speed most of the time.
Guys will tell you that a 250 wears our faster than a 450 because you are “riding it harder”, but I’m honestly not sure that is true. I think it’s just something that people speculate on, but there may not be data to actually back that up. Even IF it is true, knowing what I know now, I’d take less time between motor work on the 250 because I’m having more fun the entire time.
The 350 motor may be the best fit for most guys though. It’s not as light and nimble as the 250, but doesn’t feel as heavy and lumbering as the 450. If I could only have one bike and it HAD to be a 4 stroke, it would be hard for me to choose between the 250 XC-F and the 350 XC-F, because I have more fun on the 250, but the 350 is probably more versatile.
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Every time I crack the throttle on my 450 bald eagles fly outta the exhaust.
This is the best comment of the week.
This is such a good comment, I want to send you a shirt. Email me at kyle@dirtbikechannel.com with a shipping address and your shirt size (if you want to), and I'll see about sending one to you free of charge.
Dirt Bike Channel haha thanks i appreciate it (though I'm a 2 stroke guy at heart).
STANKDOG best reply yet!!! Lol, you can just see liberty and justice for all flying out of your tail pipe lmao!! Nice.
Best comment I have ever seen on TH-cam!
Do I need a 450? No
Do I want a 450? Yes
I love my 250 on single track. I love my 450 in the dunes.
Do i need a 450? No
Do i have a 450? Yes
Has it cleaned my plate? Yes
Dies it hurt after every track day? Yes
In conclusion do you still want it? Yes🤣🤘🏼
@Ernesto Lopez heck no stay on at 85 until you’re 5’5” 5’6” and 13 or older and idk how much you Way but if you’re even 140 pounds it will still pull you around just fine
@Ernesto Lopez I know somebody on a KX 100 oh is 5’8” and rips it
@Ernesto Lopez man from a racer standpoint I would definitely stay on the 85 I am 14 and 5’6” and everybody’s telling me to stay on my 85 for longer if you can stay on the 85 you Will learn how to use every bit of power out of the bike
I used to think power was king in all conditions till a 120lb 15 year old passed me in a rock bed on the back tire riding a ‘98 YZ125.
I sold the 450 and joined Weight Watchers 😂
Do I need a 450: no
Do I like to test my luck: yes
TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU XD
🤣🤣🤣
With dirt bikes it isn't about what you need, it's about what you want.
Very true
You certainly have a point. Can't argue that one with you :)
its about how good you are
i see people with 100cc bikes are faster than i am on my 150cc its because there better at riding
size dosent matter its the way you use it
@@CustomcrowdMitroc I'd agree in most case's size doesn't much matter but out in the dunes there's no replacement for displacement.
do you really need a 700hp rwd car? do you really need a supermodel wife?
no/yes
you are asking the real questions here
austin_mopar yes
My wife was a model and my superduty is 625hp at the back wheels. 250 n 500 2 strokes are the only way. . Did i mention my sportsman 1000xp is on 30s and over 100hp lol
do i really need to answer that?
ALL are HIGH MAINTENANCE. ;)
You don't NEED 90% of the shit you have, but life isn't about having the bare minimum.
You should understand that concept wearing a BCM hat.
Hellyeah! Thats why I built a gucci Recce 14 instead of some off the shelf M&P15.
@@kevinking1750 solid choice 🤙
Ha, I didn’t even notice the hat. I rock my LWRC Xiphos SBR while on my bike just in case I run into trouble. Jk. 😆Maybe the only time I don’t have it. 🙂
BCM is the bare minimum ;)
Do I really need a gf when I have my hand?
No
Haha, that’s funny because...
No 😂
Type and jerk just type and jerk
Lmfaooo
250 2 strokes are the sweet spot for me! Light, flickable, lugable, powerful.
Andrew Cameron I totally agree with the 2 stroke part I am 13 and racing a yz 85 I don't ever want a four stroke love that power band
yeah but if you dont need the power of the 450 you dont need the power of a 250 2 stroke lol but i got one its a 09 yz250 i looked up the specs and it stock compared to a stock 450 is only a difference of 3 hp
Andrew Cameron I whole heartedly agree. Sure I have a 450R but I will always have my 2nd Gen AF CR250R.
No. I have had so much fun on my CR 250X. My son and I just enjoy messing around and I'm 46 and would love to see 47. Hahahahaha!
3 hp must make a world of a difference, I smoke every single 250 smoker that's tried to go up against me at the local tt track lol yz450f this thing is insane. I stopped riding my cr250 because it feels like a 125 now, either way 250s are still fun
Another reason why you see a lot of 450's is because you do not have to rebuild them near as offten as the 250f.
THAT is a totally legitimate observation! Back when all the capable dirt bikeswere 2 strokes it was common knowledge that 125 top ends lasted nowhere near as long as 250s which lasted nowhere near as long as 500s...125s had to be ridden "on the pipe" revving their guts out whereas someone would have to REALLY REALLY be talented to do that with the 250 while no mere mortals could do it with a 500 ...hence the 500 top ends (properly maintained) lasted like forever! .....same applies to 4 strokes .... in the dirt ...not many are going to flailing a 450 dirt bike like it's a 125! Not for long anyway....short bursts is all
I learned about displacement with my first bike. I bought a brand new Yamaha175 enduro when I was 15. It was mildly tuned street legal. My friend had a Yamaha 125 MX built on identical platform....his had a big carb, an expansion chamber and close ratio transmission ....he boasted his bike would be way faster than mine ...at first that was true but once I took all the street crap off my bike and learned to ride? I could just barely beat him...which pissed him off no doubt. 50cc more than made up for 2mm less carb and milder porting...plus my bike (I imagine) was easier to ride...I just kicked myself for not buying the 175mx! Identical in every respect but color to the 125mx except for 50cc! (bigger bore/piston).....I love me some displacement!
This is literally the only reason I wanted a 450. I know for a fact that I can beat a beginner on a 450 on my 250f
@@dougiequick1 yes but you can do a top end on a 125 for $100 in 20 min. not an issue. Stay on the pipe. Lol
ikr
My first bike was a yz450f I regret nothing
Im in the same boat but it's a been made street legal so we're probably doing different riding
I’m 5”8 would I fit on it
@@MxMax-iu9dt they mean without training wheels
Dougie Quick I mean everyone can fit on one, just it suits different heights of different people
If you can do a wheelie in 2-3rd gear on a 250f, I don't see the point. I want more power during some things, but the lack of control on single track that 450 owners get is pathetic.
1 word
dunes.
Absolutely......was gonna say the same.
Willy D what is that suppose to mean? Do you need a 450 in the dunes over a 250 or 250 over a 450? I’m going to the dunes for the first time and I have a newer 450f
Schyler Parker 450 has more lower to mid end torque which will help you in the sand.
Hey what up stay in tune to fly off in to set still into
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yes, on a track you dont need a 450 nessisarily, but on open trails its alot nicer to have a 450
I grew up riding but took about a 6 year break due to financial situation. When I came back recently I looked up videos like this to see which would suit me better 250f or 450f and all these videos said the same thing “no one needs a 450” but after buying my 250f I realized it wasn’t enough for me and I was out growing it soon after getting back into riding. I ended up getting a 450f and they in my opinion are waaaaay better and not much different. I’d recommend a 450 over a 250 if you know how to ride somewhat
This guy is basing his opinions as facts and it’s annoying, he said “you guys can’t take the fact you can’t handle these three number” like many many can my guy you are one that can’t 😂
Yeah, I know I can't use all the power of my 450, but then again I'm just a weekend warrior and I like to have the torgue. I don't really care whether or not I'll be able to use all the power of the bike, rather I just want to have fun and the 450 makes jumping and cornering a lot easier with the rubber band like power. I'd probably be tiny bit faster on a smaller displacement bike, but my cardio is so shit anyways that it won't really matter after 3 laps. :D Also the 450 needs a little bit less maintenance on the engine than smaller displacement bikes, especially since I can go pretty fast on it even with half throttle.
If I had the money I'd also get a 350f and a 125 or 150, but having a limited budget sucks.
You summed it up champ. The power is good regardless of if you need it, less maintenance and who cares. We'd all have another bike if we could afford it.
im exactly the same weekend hobby.
first ever motorcross bike and still love the thing 2006 kx450f.
i used to marshall at my local track and the only bikes i ever saw blow were 250's as they are revved all the way just to get over the jumps.
Too much power is the worst one can have. You will probably never learn how to ride properly.
As a 230# Rider I totally agree with this. I have a 250f and a 300xc. I'm faster on the 250f, but I'm winding it out so much harder
im 6'3 at 250lbs and i ride a yam TTR 250 and i can fly on it like nothing else, i have mastered the machine better than most
One thing you're missing is that riding at altitude you lose 3 percent of your horsepower for every 1000 feet of elevation, at 9 k ft you're down 27 percent of your hp, that's why bigger is sometimes better
Yea, but if you wanna turn it into a Dual Sport, the 450 is needed for the road.
lol I ride dirtbike, all kinds mainly 450s but man ur right u need a big bike for the road.. I tried my buddies 2012 cbr125... wow just wow soo gutless its not even funny
Agreed, I'm a total noob in the dirt and would probably be better off with a 250 but I ride on the street 90% of the time.
then get a road bike
+PF68 lol
PF68 Yea, but you can't take that one on the dirt
You don't need it...
You want it
Lots of guys can relate, for sure.
I agree, modern 450 4-strokes are beastly bikes with tremendous power. But you can't compare the showroom models (the 450s that normal people ride) with the factory equipment ridden by Dungey, Roczen and Webb. They have "those three numbers" but they are definitely not the same.
When shopping for my 450, I made sure to get a fuel-injected model (2016 WR450F) that can be tuned / detuned for the conditions. When detuned, it kinda sucks not having 100% power but also it is very helpful to have progressive power delivery when trying to navigate tight single track.
Also, I am big (6'2", 250 lb.) and while the injected 450 is still a handful, the big bike suits my size well. I'll never be able to use all the power but of course it's not often that I have it wide open. And since I'm rarely pushing this 450 to its limits, it is reasonable to expect it to last longer than a 250 being wrung out on a regular basis.
Finally, yes ego plays a part. The 450 thumpers are SO badass! But this time I decided to treat myself -- this is the first really nice, really modern bike I've ever owned and I'm enjoying it quite a lot. I come from a 1984 XR500R, 1995 XR250R, 1999 YZ400F and a 2003 XR400R. None of these bikes are modern but some of them are big and powerful... the XR500R was a beast and the YZF was a handful too. So I'm used to bigger bikes with good power, and I believed with my size and riding experience that I'd do pretty well on an injected 450. And I am! :D
EDIT: I would have bought a 350F if there was an affordable used one on the market that does everything I need. This "sweet spot" between a 250 and 450 really deserves more attention from manufacturers. I'm convinced they would sell a zillion 350s if they would listen to the market and produce a good one at a fair price.
Kyle, you could have focused on facts a bit more: how 4 strokes 'wear' weight higher up, wet weights for 450 4 stroke versus 250 2 stroke, how hard it is to pickup a downed 450 on an off camber trail, torque curves, suspension etc. Focusing on "do you need the extra power" always falls short.
This video makes me want a 500 2 stroke
2 stroke for life
it's always more fun and exciting riding a less powerful bike flat out than riding a powerful bike slower
+Keith Swales I couldn't say it better myself.
totally agree.... again and again.... what a good video from you mate
+Dany Barceloux Thanks for the support Dany.
+Keith Swales It is easier to ride a smaller cc but sometimes its fun to ride a bigger bike. The power from my dads cr500 actually allows my to ride with more confidence sometimes because of the extra torque compared to my yz125.
id disagree, last night i rode my friends crf150 flat out on a sandy trail with a ton of whoops and jumps that i could easily cruise through on my wr426 going much faster.
after i was done with the 150, i was extremely wore out, the suspension was bottoming out on every jump and there was a dead zone between 2nd and 3rd where the engine didnt have enough power to keep speed in 3rd but was sitting on the limiter in 2nd.
was it fun? hell yeah. was it better than my wr426? not by a long shot, especially if you ride for long periods of time or are racing.
450s are for old guys with massive beer gut so it can lug them up a hill without stalling
Can’t I do that on a CRF250L without stalling?
Depends on the size of the beer gut 😂😂😂
Im going to pick up a yz450 tomorrow:) its my first bike... Edit: so after looking at a 426 I realized no way I’m learning on this so I bought a ttr125l for 1700 sold it in a month then bought a 2006 yz250f for 1850 then 3 months later I bought a 2006 r6 for 3400 at 15, I’m 16 now.
@@poketbike6488 hahah I'm 15 and I ride a 450
I also have no idea what I'm doing lol I figured I wanted somthing I wouldnt out grow
Gus The Bus how much did it cost ?
@@polar2737 I paid 2450, and 100 for a title transfer
Gus The Bus you‘d outgrow a 850 if they had them. After a few years you’ll see a model drop that you can’t live without. Regardless once you get to big bikes, It doesn’t matter. Everything you can do with a 450 on the track, you can do with a 250 and you’ll be much more comfortable doing so.
I think part of the popularity of the 450s is the showroom floor. You see a WR250F next to a WR450F. $8k vs $9k sticker price, and 13lbs different. You have to know you want a 250 to not just automatically get the 450.
I think a 450 dual sport makes a lot of sense, but it seems like everyone's just making 250 dual sports instead.
Good points.
I got a 390 dual sport. Almost more power than I need
Nicoya true. You know here at a lot of dealers tho the 450 is the cheaper one they want premiums for 250's a lot of guys don't think or are afraid to get the 450. I think anyways because I've seen some much better deals on 450's
I'm not too proud to admit that my 2016 YZ450FX has more power than I need. But I have had several 250 four strokes that needed constant valve attention due to running them hard to extract that power, revving to the moon. I do agree that beginners and novices have no good reason to buy a 450.
Exactly! Just keep hurting the 250f's so 450 was the answer in order to have reliability.
I'm 6ft2 and 280lbs been riding bikes since I was 8 years old, but have had a few years off the Motocross, what should I be getting for a bit of track riding and a bit of off road trails??
Kieran Evans YZ250X/FX or the KTM EXC/XC series would be great
Blasphemy
Bro I just saw a video of a GSX-R1000 swap on a dirtbike and it looks fun as hell!!!
STF gang
I choose life
@@tannerbarber9833 😂
A guy I work with, his twin broth out the GSX-R 1000 motor in a hill climbing bike.
I just like rolling the throttle and working the low end of the power. I also love how long lasting the engines are because of this. I've ridden 250cc four strokes but didn't care for the way they develope their power.
i ride a crf250r BUT I NEED A 450 FOR WHEN IM RIDING AROUND TRYNA GET TO TRAILS N POLICE WANNA CHASE
hahaha
I need to upgrade my yz250f to keep up to my friends on there 450's!!
get urself a yz or cr 250 (2stroke) if u don't have a disposable income 2 strokes are for u and really a 250 2 stoke vs a 450 4 stroke motor to motor are comparable power wise.
I got the money for a 450, just need to make sure I can really rip my 250 before jumping on a 450, could'nt do a 2 Stoke anyway not my thing
+Cameron Vajda No, u need to increase skills. I'd say ur friends with 450s try to make up speed with power instead of skill. Most of the time, a rider with skill, can ride just as fast as a guy not as skilled, bit with bigger bikes. get ur skills down, and u might even blow them away
The most likely reason why there are more 450cc 4 strokes is because the price difference between the 250cc vs 450cc is usually only $1,500.00. Which is a small price difference and in return you are getting more horsepower and yes you have to learn to control the throttle more so than 250cc.
+Dale MacDonald Exactly...
Dale MacDonald the reason the 450 is popular and the 250 2 stroke is popular is because it is the standard of professional motorcross
sounds like my wife, do really need that doughnut? well fkn duh! YEEES!
I'll tell you... Every now and then we come across an open field and ripping a 450 is SO much fun
Agreed... We need to bring back the bigger bore 2 strokes Ktm/Husky etc. 350-380cc oil injection, electronic power valve, latest fuel injection, anti-vibration built into the bike.. Look at the latest snowmobiles they have all of that just saying thanks
still a 300 but the new betas have oil injection
+James Christie Have you ever owned a ktm 380 300cc ktm's fall flat in the middle of the power band they can do a lot better!
+plumbit111 I agree with that. Fortunately the KTM has a lot of tuning options to help with the power band, like the powervalve. Although dynojet info online shows the softer powervalve springs making the most power, they make the middle power band feel very flat to me. I have been using the stock(middle) spring now with 3 turns of pre load and have found it helps the middle tremendously, but at the expense of max power.
Starting on something less and growing in skill is really where the fun is though.
I have a 2015 WR450 and love it. I went to Costa Rica last summer and got on the same bike and commenced to taking soil samples. The next day my guide put me on a 2013 WR250. What a huge difference! I stayed on it for the rest of the trip and did much better. I learned a lot too. I like the 450 for more open riding and I love the ridiculous torque on hillclimbs. But I think you hit it spot on in this video. Modern 250 bikes are just a ton of fun to ride on the trails and I never had a problem getting up a mountain in Costa Rica. I'm a 250 lb rider and if I did it again I would get a 250. Great video!
I’m 60. My first dirt bike since my 1978 RM 125? A 1999 Yamaha WR 400. 38 years since my last ride in the dirt. Three years on and I wouldn’t have anything else. I have test ridden the new lighter and smaller displacement Huskys and KTM’s and I still prefer the solidity and torque of the WR. I’m 185 lbs. and I do several enduro events every season and also about 600 miles of knarly rocky trails in cottage country in northern Ontario every summer. My WR is geared up and will easily do 100mph...on dirt roads. It’s a blast. I just like how easy and under stressed it goes about its business. I also love the 4.7 litre V8 in my Toyota 4 Runner. A two litre turbo pisspot? In an SUV? You can have it. You’ll have to pry my 450 from my cold dead fingers!
I find tracks are set up with the jumps closer out of the corners these days, and without proper corner speed it's hard to huck the jumps, that's where the power of the 450 comes in handy for me because I'm not Webb in the corners and if I screw up a twist of the throttle and I don't come up short... I always say there's safety in power. Plus I'm 6'3 so the bigger bike feels more comfortable personally.
I get what you are saying.
"Do you really need a 500 two stroke?"
+DirtRider500R Nope.
+Dirt Bike Channel Meh. If nothing else you'll never have to worry about under-jumping
yes yes I do
+DirtRider500R I died laughing when I read that.
Maico 700 2-stroke or go home. Yes, they still make that monster
My first bike was a 2005 yz450f when I was in 8th grade, that year it only had 4 gears for more torque in the low end. For the first year I was pretty terrified coming out of turns with it, not gonna lie. Then I rode a 250f and it felt kinda boring and I was glad I got the 450. Riding is riding you don’t need to be told what you should do. After that first year I was on it non stop and had a blast!
How dare you describe me so perfectly
Thank you so much for making this vid! Im one of those teenagers that wanted a 450... im gonna squeeze all i can out of my 2008 yz250f
Solution = 250 two stroke 😏
+C Dub yeah because theyre less power than a 450.
+Jack Sisneros barely less lol hakf the displacement. I prefer a 500 2 stroke, double to tq of a 450 under 4000 rpm!!
+scott T yeah cr500 is the only two stroke I'll get
***** yup
No one NEEDS a 450 but dammmn they're fun
I got my wr450 near 2 years ago when I was 15 and stepping from a Dr350 to the WR even though I'm not a massively experienced rider I still do prefer the 450. It's now road registered and still as awesome as ever 👌
The combo of a 450 and a mostly bald rear tire is fucking hilarious fun though haha
Perfect for a filthy Australian bush gumby.
Lol I feel ya. I’ve got a CR250 with a nearly bald rear tire and that fuckin thing will try to kill you at any turn
Yes!!
I agree with your video. When I used to ride a cr250 2 stroke I loved riding I switch to the 450 for the power and lived the exhaust sound. But it began to not be as fun and I would get tired quicker. As you said you end up having to fight and menouver more for the throttle desicions your making. The instant power is nice but the fight isn't worth it. I went from riding twice a week to barely riding twice a year to now not even having a bike anymore. If I buy another one I may go 2 stroke or 250 4 stroke.
Thanks for sharing.
Well I'm 6ft and 255lb+ so yeah, I kinda do.
I'm 6 ft 4 269 lbs. I need something bigger than my current 150. At very least height wise.... so I opted in to buy a new Kawasaki kx450f!
6ft 240, just got a Suzuki DRZ 400, I love it
No u don’t you’ll fit a 50 better
How is the dirt bike cuz im around the same height and weight i
I’m 6’1” 220 and a 250 (especially in the sand where I ride mostly) just doesn’t cut it lol. Had to upgrade to the kx450. Now with the 450 in the dirt it’s a bit much compared to what I’m used to, but sand it’s perfect for me.
im 120-130 pounds 15 years old
I ride a yz450f
Very similar to the riding kyle does..
Ill tell you i LOVE IT!!
your never lacking power no mater how slow or fast your going... Its got power in the low revs all the way to high rpms
When going through technical rocky bits Its SO! incredibly easy. You let it idle along with no throttle and the bike does all the work. I just hang on and stear it.
Its got so much bottom end and the suspension is great it goes climbs up and over with ease.
And Yes it feels heavy when your going slow through technical parts.
But the handling on motocross bikes is awesome.
Though it definitely can be TOO much power. you hit a rock unexpectedly and get whiskey throttle then its a problem
Pass me your man card....you're done.
Jason Adler you sound insecure in your ability as a man
u sound like you don't get humour
Jason Adler his wife was holding a gun on him off camera. This must be being made under duress.
😂😂😂😂😂
Jason Adler 😂😂😂🤦🏿♂️lmfaoo
maybe stop riding motocross bikes on trails, get a WR or YZ450FX or CR450X or 450XCF-W that is tamer, but still has the torque? I weigh 240 pounds, I wouldn't be able to do what I do on a 250.
+Jordan Carroll Maybe let people make up their own minds.
+Silicon Toad I'm with you fellas.
Ktm 450 xcw has same power like 450 exc right ?
yeah, but a wide ratio gear-box
+Jordan Carroll - Wide ratio is nice. No denying that!
After spending the last 14 years riding and racing 450’s I just purchased an 18 KTM300 and OMG I’m so happy to be back on a 2 stroke. I wish I had given up my 450 years ago! So light, so fun, I’m loving it.
I got a 50cc 2 stroke enduro bike with supermoto wheels when I was 15. I rode it on the street when I got my licence.
I had it for almost a year, when I got my 125cc licence and I bought a 125cc 2stroke.
I rode the 125cc for one summer and just a few weeks ago I bought a 300cc Husqvarna 2 stroke.
Quite a leap to be honest :D but I have plenty of time to practice enduro next summer before I get my motorcycle licence in 11months :)
Yamaha Yz250 ftw!
+Dries Fontaine yeeep
+XiferTehPenguin
XR 400 with mods has double the torque
for trails tho?
YeahWeRepTheSameSmartech xr400 for life!
Nah bro CR250 whoops anything in the 250 category
Well, the YZ is a race bike. They make the WR for trail riding.
The WR is still very powerful... after you do the free mods... I ride a WR250f, and it's very fast.
Great video. VERY informative. I am selling my CRF450R because I quit riding. Bought a KTM 350 and LOVE it. My 350 may even have too much power. Now I am enjoying riding more than ever! I finally realized it's about myself having fun. Thanks!
I started motocross an enduro a year ago. I own a '11 KTM exc250f and I'm happy every day I ride this bike! This video explains exactly what is so great about a lighter bike. In enduro I'm just as fast as the other riders on the 450/500cc bikes and that actually really cool. Personly I think it's really awesome to be able to use ALL OF THE BIKE. When i rode my 560 smr (converted to enduro) on the loose sand... no faster! Finding traction is a second.
Advise: 250 or 350 4 stroke is really nice and lightweight.
I'll take a 250 2 Stroke anyday!
+Happy G. I here you there!
I think the point is a 250 four stroke.
only two stroke!
I have a te 449 and yes I don't need all the power on the trails but I do need it on the street. so guess it depends on the rider.
Im 15 and I absolutely love my yz450fx, but im also a bigger kid at about 5'11" and 190Ibs and the bike suits me great through trails and at the track. Thanks for the video's they really help me riding!
I have a wr450F I’m 5,9 145 I’m not a big dude but I like my 450 more than a 250f way more I came off small bikes so i needed the power and speed to get out quick
Great video makes total sense
I have a kx250 two stroke and a kx450f. I can handle the 250 much better but I do find myself using more energy on the smaller bike. As a senior rider/racer I ride with a little more finess than the younger riders and that's where the xtra HP really comes in handy.
And no I don't need all that power but it's nice to have. Hahaha
But if you are going to buy a 450 just make sure your ready for it and respect it. It really can hurt you !
Experienced and heavier riders need more power. The KTM 300 is great but I wish some builder like KTM made an even bigger tourqey 350 or 400 off road 2 stroke again. For an experienced recreational rider who wants to ride all types of terrain, the 450/500 4 strokes do it all. Big steep hills, deep sand hills, got to have a big bore. Also a recreational rider will get more hours out of the big bore engine simply because they aren't likely to be riding in the high rpm range as much. However they are more of a challenge to ride as increased throttle control is critical on a big bore on tight technical & slippery terrain.
I agree with you a 450 is definitely a lot of power to respect for some. I’m 30yrs old and on my 3rd 450 bike. Although I started at a young age trail riding on a pw50, rode 70s, 110s,125s, 250s and then worked my way into the 450s
Some people like to push whatever machine they happen to be riding. I’m one of those people. I love the feeling of wringing a bike out for all it’s worth, having to maintain momentum and be strategic with gear selection. On a 450 a lot of that feeling goes away because the torque is immense and it’s unnecessary to really wring it out. I can ride a 450 just fine but it’s very difficult to ride in a hyper aggressive style for me. I prefer 125s and 250fs for this reason. I grew up on a 250 2 stroke. I’m 5-11 200lb.
I don't need 50+ hp, I just want it, because there aint nothin' like the feeling of hanging onto a rocket, though the slowest bike I ever owned was an xr 350 & I often refer to that bike as the most fun bike I ever owned.
David Day it's not about power , it's all about torque....
@@wickedleeloopy2115 electric bikes it is then
most fun bike i ever had was this most likely chinese made 100cc 4 stroke bike that had no name or brand. my dad bougth it when i was like 5 and kept it in my grandpas farm where i sometimes rode as a passenger and my big brother also rode it. some years ago it stopped working and i grew up. now i was getting into dirtbikes and motrcycles so we pulled the bike out cleaned the carb and it started running. it worked for a month or two and i had so much fun on it. now it stopped working again and we opened the engine and came to the conclusion that the valves had not been tuned well and it broke or something. now we bought me a yz125 and its so much fun riding that too but its just so powerful and tall and its been quite hard to ride it now as its winter and slippery. i really want to fix the chinese bike and ride that since its quite low and has more usable power for riding on ice and snow.
also the bike that im wheeling on my profile bike is the chinese bike.
th-cam.com/video/USlypLZcBic/w-d-xo.html
you can see the bike on 2:55 on that video my brother made in 2015.
i also have no idea why im writing this since no one cares but i really got into it so whatever.
i live in finland and english isnt my strong suit so mind that
@@paahtopro3950 Your English is perfect & that looks like a cool little bike. The YZ125 is the polar opposite of the little Chinese bike & I can imagine how odd it would feel in comparison.
My XR 350 was fun but not very exciting. I much prefer the thrill of high horsepower & a high performance chassis, as I just love MotoX.
As long as we keep the shiny side up it's all fun, no matter what one prefers to ride.
I agree, my dad needs to downsize to a 250. On a side note if you are ever in southern Utah look up The Rock Roosters. I got a ride through an actual slot Canyon that is so secret only a handful of locals no about it. If your wondering how tight the fit is look up the video I posted of it.
Thanks for sharing.
great video! I started out on a TTR 230! great starter bike, but went to a 250 2 stroke pretty quick! ended up whisky throttled it into a pond! ahaha fun times!
old school 2smoker here.i started with 1 horsepower. yeah the kind with four legstroke.after years of riding 125s and 250s jumping on a cr 450 and the cr 500 was a dream come true.trails,dirt roads or the track.professional use only.
To late got a yz490 bored out 500cc as my first bike
if you have good throttle/clutch control it's awesome to have that massive grunt right off the bottom, but you should definitely ride a smaller bike if your prone to the occasional whiskey throttle and don't always ride with one finger on the clutch... you'll get into in trouble fast. I rode Dirtbikes for five years before ever getting on a 450 and it scared the crap out of me for the first week or so... YMMV 🙂
toadamine well put buddy! I've owned and ridden bikes since I was 8 and wasn't until 09 when I was about 26 I finally had an opportunity to try a brand new 05 CRF450R and I was impressed by the grunt it had for sure, like you said you gotta hang onto them and cover that clutch lol.. At the time I was riding my 00' CR250R, still have my 2t but since then I've obtained a 06' CRF450R.
I used to ride a yz250... was great, fun to ride. now (about 5 years later) I bought an 09 Crf250r and I gotta say it's just more enjoyable at my level and as you said...makes it easier for me to find the limits of myself and the bike. great video man 👍
Great info. Thanks!
I know this is an old video but lately I’ve been tossing around what you’re talking about and totally agree! I’m going to stay in the 250/350 class. Only question is does your body weight factor in between a 250 and 450 as I’m 6ft 204 pounds (lean not fat)? I haven’t really noticed that heavier guys (some even fat) have a problem getting around on their 250F’s. Thanks, great advice/video.
what about for the road?? do you think it'd still apply?
Point well taken. Great video!!
For my first bike, I wanted to get me a 250. But i thought it over, and went with a 189cc, because I thought 250 was a tad too much. I’m very happy with my bike. I’m going to learn, get more experience, drill the fundamentals into my head, and then after a few years of riding, I’ll get my 250.
Cooper web's 250 is highly modified it's not a stock 250 it probably has the power of the stock production 450. Not a fair comparison.
Marc Graham they're actually not a ton faster than a normal bike. Probably more responsive and definitely lighter mostly. But it's not like NASCAR or something where the race machines are nothing like their civilian counterparts
Christian Sagredo With the 250's there a pretty large gap between a factory setup and race setup. I've heard that the modern 250f race bikes make near 55hp which is a huge jump over stock bikes. I also heard that the 450's don't have as drastic a difference as there's only so much power you can put down and they get very tiresome to ride. The biggest difference between the 250f and the 450f race bikes is torque and powerband. A race 250f rides like a 85 2 stroke where you pretty much need to be on the clutch all the time as they have such narrow powebands. The 450f's have friendlier powerband with a lot more bottom end grunt.
Transworld motocross did an article on it a while back, they were saying that the factory KTM 250's were pumping out near 55 horsepower. I was also skeptical of the 9hp jump over the stock bikes but it's what they said.
Shane Erikson I'm talking engine horsepower, not wheel horsepower. A 2017 KTM 250 sxf makes 46 horsepower as per the tests, a 2017 KTM 450sxf makes 57 horsepower as per the tests. Look up the reviews yourself.
Shane Erikson mate james stewerts bike would have over 55. My fathers rm250 2 stroke has 50 horsepower stock and 450s have more from stock. (Crf250 are classed as a beginner 250)
What happened to throttle control? Am I missing something here... do 450s only have one power setting?🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I raced 250f's for years then eventually got a 450 (10 years ago). There was a huge learning curve and it's taken years to even start to be able to ride it well like with smaller bikes. That being said, I'm so glad I moved up to 450s when I did. I'd never go back!
My first dirtbike was a 2004 wr 450f I got it for 2400 from a cool old timer who told me that most 99% of people will never use the full potential of a 450. And I’m so happy it was my first bike lots of frustration sometimes but I learned so much on it and once I realized it’s about controlling the power it has and not just pinning it like 250s
okay time to talk about the good old kx 500 2 stroke and the cr 500 2 stroke
What about 450 for a supermoto build?
madcuzbad
This isn’t a supermoto channel
I watched this and listened to a number of guys around the track last year that were talking about dropping down to 250s. So I made the leap from 450 down to 250. 1st take away is a lot more shifting and clutch work. I would typically leave my 450 in 3rd gear all the way around. Now I'm having to shift like crazy and it honestly gets exhausting.
I've been riding for almost 40 yrs, my 97 CR250 2 Stroke is still plenty enough for me and I love riding it to this day. If I were to buy new, I'd definitely get into a KTM 350 2 Stroke.
I think about this every time I see a 15 year old kid with a 450
+Waka Vevo Reminds me of a 450A moto I watched where a 125 two-stroke whooped the crap out of the track, finished second
Oh yeah I've seen a video like that it was a cr125 that whooped a kx450
Yeah
I am 16 and i ride a exc450 loll haha
+bart moorlag lol I'm 17 and buying a ktm 450 exc aswell but I can't afford any nicer cause the one I'm getting is a dirty 2003 model 😂 I want a kdx200 soooo bad
I'm still waiting on seeing that 450 gone, and YZ250X in its place. If you do get rid of it, you gotta stay blue! Nice video, I agree completely.
+Pixel Junkie I sold it a few weeks ago, I just still have footage of it.
+Dirt Bike Channel When you sold it, were you wondering in your mind, can this guy truly handle it, or is he falling into the same mindset as many...I just have to have the bigger displacement.
+billg1374 haha. Thats exactly what I did when iI bought my 450fx. I shoulda bought a 250.
+billg1374 No, the guy that bought it is a really good desert racer. I'm sure he's a far better rider than I am. He's coming off of a 450 and he's going to do really well on this bike too.
+Pixel Junkie I could totally see it being replaced by a new YZ250FX
Hey I like supporting the tyres companies! I only got 216kms out of my last tyre, man I love that power!
Well put
Ok power argument aside, what about the fact that 250 4strokes have to be pushed a lot harder (at least in the desert and especially in the sand) and this is harder on the engine & equals much higher maintenance costs?
Agreed, I have an 09 kx250f. First trip in the mountain sand dunes here in CO and I blew the top end.
The 450 is too much, the 250 is too revy. The 350 is perfect.
Is that right goldilocks
Ted G no Mx class for a 350💁🏼♂️
Your a bitch
i most certainly did NOT need my 450 but my man i was born to fucken send it on the track.
oh thank god you made a video about this cause its never been talked about before.
awesome vid thats why im starting on a 230 intil i get good then upgrade to a 250
And then bore the 250 to a 280
+Nicholas Tobin The 230 is a relatively heavy bike if I am not mistaken? To me that can be as much of a hinderence to new offroad riders as being on a purpose built MX bike or a bike with too much power. Both can be handful.
+Nicholas Tobin I have both a 06 crf230f and a 10 300 xcw. the 230 is a fun bike and a good rider can ride it anywhere you can on a 450 4t.
+HelmetCamMatt I have never been in sand. not a lot up here in Alaska.
180 lbs first bike a 2015 yz450f only wrecked twice so far and i was drunk once so that doesnt count
fuckin idiot
you need to lose weight lol if you weigh 300lb you might need 500cc 2 stroke or 550cc 4 stroke
jonathan oxlade I weigh 320 and I'm 6'4 and a 450 4 stroke is enough
Completely agree, i have a 450 and ride trail and i thought it was ok until i rode my buddies 250 2 stroke and i realized how much extra work it takes and all the power im not using in a 450
Moving down to a 250F was the best thing ever! After 2 different MX 250cc 2 strokes, a 525 & a KTM 300XC I got a 250F and I can ride the piss out of the thing for days and not be worn out. Out in the desert it leaves you wanting a little more power but on single track and 2 track it's the best.
You make a great point about Kalib Russel on the 150, I raced a desert race on my 250F last year and in the last lap I was passing a half dozen guys on 450s that were too tired and worn out to maintain race pace.
Thanks for sharing.
I love my cr250 two stroke has enough power for me so fun
and four strokes are a lot of work
+Morgan Rides depends on the owner. If you take care of your bikes (2 stroke or 4 stroke) they will hardly ever have problems "mechanically".
just make sure your 4 stroke has fuel injection
No, I dont need a 450, I want a 500!
Could you make tutorial how to use rear break when standing in dirtbike? thank you
I am a 210 lb. vet rider, I ride in the sand dunes at Glamis , Ocotillo Wells Desert, and all So. Cal MX tracks. I would not get the power with a 250f that i need to handle these conditions!