*Do NOT attempt to contact the people whose tweets were displayed in this video. This includes the public figures.* Not even the one who got so mad I didn't like a TV show that they resorted to defending the nazis.
Saying "Someone shitting on somebody else's creativity" after calling their 5 hour long project "unwatchable negative shit" (without having seen it) is some next level irony lmfao
Hypocrisy is the biggest issue I have with these people filled with "toxic positivity" or that reject criticism claiming it's "Evil people that want to use objectivity to make their opinions sound more legit, SHAME ON THEM FOR NOT BEING A SUBJECTIVE FREE BIRD LIKE I AM!!!" ...Even though they themselves are doing exactly that: shitting on people for not complying to _their_ (very flimsy and malleable) standards of right and wrong.
@@Vits117 I don't honestly think that "professional" and "journalist" can exist in the same sentence anymore. Unless it's something like "This professional's life was ruined by a journalist who couldn't be bothered to do proper research before they released their clickbaity hit piece."
Twitter user: "People shouldn't spend their time being hateful about another person's work" - proceeds to spend time being hateful about another person's work.
That’s what annoys me the most about them.They go on about "let people do what they want" etc etc and then get offended by a video they aren’t even gonna watch.Literally if jodie whittaker took a shit on the tardis floor and you said something bad about it,you’d be branded a sexist hater 🙄
@I Dunno definitely.Most of the people who defend her madly are the same people who didn’t want capaldi coz he was "too old".Its just hypocrisy at its finest
That’s pretty much extremist groups for you. Or just…Twitter in general. You apply logic to any controversial subjects, there are bound to be people coming up in arms to shun that logic in an attempt to defend their pride. Such is the world, I suppose.
Jay: Hey nazis are racist Reporter: No they aren’t, they “tolerated” having brown people on earth to help them conquer it Jay: Reporter: I’m defending nazis now Jay: what? Reporter: you are a right wing extremist Jay: what
Happens on both sides. There was a famous case where a sexual predator (who happened to be trans) was targeting Muslim women and children. And the usual liberal arguments like "conservatives only pretend to care about kids" or "you just hate trans people". But like no serious this person repeatedly assaulted kids and brown people. Their identity shouldn't matter.
#Godisoverparty he's literally created racist, sexist, mysoginistic people, which means he's racist apparently. im shaking n crying rn how could he have done this
If you can rant for five hours, that is f%%%ing amazing. Seriously, your Doctor Who video was amazing and spot on. In order for you to make that video, you had to be a HUGE fan of the product. You can't be that in depth on where the show has gone wrong without seeing just how right the show can be. I lost interest and wondered if I just grew out of it, so I went back and watched a Tennant episode and realized I still love what the show was, just not what it is now.
My boyfriend holds a neutral dislike of Doctor Who and he watched half the 5 hour video with me ... the latter half, after casually watching over my shoulder and being entranced.
There is something inherently dismissive when people suggest that a given genre shouldn't be taken too seriously. You wanna get me really serious, suggest that comedy shouldn't be taken seriously.
"it's fantasy, and because magic/fictional race/other fantasy trope exists, that means they can do literally anything and you're not allowed to criticize it or think that it feels off."
@@THATGuy5654 then there's people who don't want to discuss fiction in general because "it's just what the writer decides it is" For example when you ask "if character A fights character B, who'd win?" and some smartass says "whoever the writer wants to win" i guess let's never discuss any fiction ever because someone can decide the outcome
When you’re so anti-racism and anti-sexism you accidentally defend the nazis, making yourself racist and assume someone doesn’t like a show because the main character is a woman which is kinda sexist
5% those guys that actually exist 4% normal people who only have an account to follow certain creators 1% celebrity accounts that get 99% of all interaction
Well they weren’t racist like that, they had actual things that they hated about the races they put in the camps, you can argue the truth of their beliefs but it wasn’t ever just “they look different” in the nazi perception.
The point the guy from that article was making was completely asinine anyway. "Oh yeah the Nazis occasionally made use of non-white collaborators and therefore had no problems with non-white people and would happily put them in positions of authority over German soldiers" is a nonsensically bad take. They also made use of Russian collaborators, would this guy read that as the Nazis having no particular loathing for Slavs, for example? What a dingus.
@@garethharold3600 Even more if you just look at the dates. The Indian SS units were from 44. The writing was already at the wall at that point. They were cannon fodder, nothing more. The Nazis used people they thought "lesser" so less "good aryans" would die.
there are people whos FULL CAREER is analyzing authors works/books/theories, and no one complains when they release FULL PUBLISHED BOOKS on their findings, and there are people complaining about a 5 hour youtube video. That makes me sad.
"I can't believe someone would make something so negative" they say, as they themselves are being negative over something they haven't even FUCKING SEEN.
Imagine thinking a blind hater would be motivated enough to produce 5 hours of carefully edited content. The actual blind haters didn't even bother to consume those 5 hours.
@@thatonespooder1513a blind hater wouldn't look at the title an nod because they wouldn't be able to see the title on account of being blind. I'm sorry... not entirely but partially.
Because some people tie their whole personality to things that they like. And since they lack other aspects of their personality, an attack on their favorite things turns into a personal insult to them. They can endlessly talk about how their favorite thing is beautiful. And if you dare to criticize their favorite thing, suddenly standards begin to be imposed. Is the criticism too short? The criticism is superficial. Is the criticism too long? Go outside and touch the grass! All feelings are important, all assessments are valid, any criticism is hatred. Enjoy the product. Don't ask questions. But only you can't criticize. They can descend to the most poisonous and vile personal insults. They will run after you for three days just to tell you how much they don't care about you and how sorry they are for you. Because for them, you are a villain who wants to get a quality product. And they have enough of the available product and they are happy. And you spoil their fun, because you claim that their favorite thing is bad. After all, you can't love bad things and understand that they are bad. Smokers, for example, usually understand that their lungs will not thank them for cigarettes. But they can't admit it. For their favorite things are their personalities. And if they like bad things, then their personality is not so good either.
Because they want to avoid criticism all together. It's pretty simple, but frankly it doesn't excuse the show of doctor who or help it. I thought Jay was more than fair in his video as opposed to complaining identity politics and not showing why the show is clearly a dumpster fire of qaulity at this point even without politics being put in.
Insecurities. They don't want something they deem 'precious' to them being 'put down' by other people. Ironically enough, they're also generally the kind of people who'll jump in glee when something they don't like get that very treatment. Quotation mark, because it doesn't actually have to be that. It just have to be perceived as 'putting down' by some folks.
agreed. I have never watched an episode of doctor who in my life, but I still watched through all 5 hours of that video essay and it kept my attention and I throughly enjoyed it
honestly i think the freaking article calling your views "fascist" and "misogynistic" might as well be sued for defamation because that is some very heavy and untrue accusations.
Fun-Fact: Madvocate and Hbomberguy, legends as they are, did just what Jay Exci did. HOUR-LONG and CONSTRUCTIVE (!) Criticism about Shows. Videos so damn-good that not knowing the Shows discussed is literally no reason not to watch.
Unfortunately that probably wouldn't hold in court because that singular comment on its own hasn't caused enough damage to Jay's public image, personal relationships etc.
@@ziwuri plus it's subjective while "fascist" and "misogynistic" certainly are false claims, they're subjective enough that they could be seen as opinion, while they actually didn't accuse Jay of any objective things other than the truth like, they didn't accuse them of saying something they didn't say, or of doing anything
@@raphaelmorgan2307 You're wrong. They clearly accused her of criticizing the new Doctor Who episodes only because the main character is a woman instead of a man. (I hate that I feel like I have to clarify, but obviously that's not why she made the video. These toxic commenters simply couldn't be bothered to watch it.)
You would think people who like TV shows that go on for years and can't be binged within a few hours would understand how being longer can actually be a good thing.
It's weird because it only seems really logical that, you know, people who make longer videos would probably have more to say? I mean, how many times do people think you can say 'show bad' without actually making an actual point in a FIVE HOUR video??? What??? If anything, it's the really short videos I'd expect to be shallow. If you're taking less than 10 minutes to talk about over 20 hours of footage then I have no idea how you could even get to any meaningful conclusions in that timeframe.
@@dracocrusher Personally, 5hrs is 100% too long HOWEVER: It can be excused because of the target audience of the video. A critical essay in literature really doesn't need that type of length, but a lot of the time spent on the essay seemed to go to source material/evidence of his claims or explaining his stance. Realistically, the same video could be 2-3hrs in length without suffering from that much lost content. It's not quantity that led to its length, more structuring. But again, it's excused by the target audience of the video. It's made to be extremely accessible and well explained so that people can't make weak points about failed criticism or "subjective opinions". That made them turn to "Chibnall bad" and "5hrs?!?", but they're obviously weak criticisms as they don't actually dispute the legitimacy of the criticisms within the video. For the video itself, I definitely think a big part of its length comes from the 'walkthrough' structured criticisms and them taking too long. While it's a great way to drive home your point to those who aren't as experienced in literature, I think it suffers in long essays about an entire series as it really bloats the length. It works great for essays surrounding a couple of episodes, or essays that are focusing on a certain problem with the series. But with a more general criticism of the entire series, it ends up leading to its long length. Essentially, a large bulk of the essay seemed to be put into paraphrasing. Personally, I think the essay would be better served with it being segmented into different issues the series suffered from. So, for example, half an hour on the characters of the series, rather than nearly an hour on a single episode. Then, laying out your criticisms/issues with something like the characters without relying too much on the source material to continually prove your point. A couple of scenes supporting your claims are a good thing, but entire episodes with a variety of criticisms leads to the longer length and kind of random structure of actual points made. Really enjoyed the video, BUT its length was an issue. Again, doesn't actually dispute his points, it's only something someone studying/with a career in writing would notice and find issue with.
When I see someone making a 5-hour critique on something my immediate interpretation is "gosh this guy must be really sad that something he loves is going to shit". Cause anyone who commits so much time of their life into producing something, obviously has a passion for the IP.
A fine example is "The Quartering" who poops out 3-4 ~10min. Rant vids about topic x with surface lvl effort a day. I watched the dr. Who video because it has 5hrs run time. I was just like "damn, jay has alot to say about dr. Who"
Yeah. I wanted to like it. Decent actors, potential for new stories. Shit writing. Oh well. I no longer watch Dr Who. And i've been watching it since the invention of colour TV. John Pertwee, in case you are wondering. I no longer care. and for the record, i am a rainbow-haired SJW. So it ain't that.
@@DeviantDork I can literally click on the video and already see _timestamped chapters_ which separate the video into many parts. I thought it was bad that you are making arguments against a video's content that you haven't watched, _but you haven't even clicked on the video._
@@HoHhoch He does. Entirely in relation to how it's bullshit that the first female doctor is shown as less composed and charismatic, and more emotional than previous male doctors.
“This video is rife with misinformation and hate!” Jay: Oh can you point out that misinformation? I’d be happy to correct it! “Oh uhhhh….” *Blocks Jay*
@@DrGandW There shouldn't _need_ to be, but I think if critical-thinking was more common, encouraged, and taught in a more thorough capacity throughout all levels of education, it'd go a long way in helping.
11:19 isn't it worrying that a journalist came to an incorrect conclusion on something, then spoke about it so confidently while admitting they haven't even researched the thing they're talking about?
"Apparently people aren't allowed to have favourite eras" They say, while trying to shut down someone for having opinions on which eras they prefer. H m m It's almost like what they mean is "why doesnt the popular opinion line up with mine"
“You should just accept that this is a show where the main character has random superpowers that fit the plot at anytime” I’m confused, do these people actually even like the show
A wonderful sentence I saw on reddit once: "The greatest trick the devil ever played was making 'Doctor Who' shit at the same time that a woman was cast as the main character" Edit: I find it funny. That's all. Give me a doctor of any sex, class, colour, or creed; I'll be on board.
At this point the writing is so bad I'm convinced Chibnall is sexist and wants to make sure Whittaker's doctor is so bad that there's never a female doctor again. It can't be this bad by accident.
@@tgoas3503 He's not, he's just that bad. I know it's a joke but it's pretty unfair to the guy to make the statement. Simple fact is, a lot of people working in the entertainment industry are not that talented. Hard to believe, I know, took me a whole week to internalize that fact, but Chibnall is just... not good at the job he has.
Ah thats ok they already retconned that accomplishment with that other female time lady they had in the fugitive before she was stated to be the timeless child, so she already got dethroned before the reveal to soften the blow
If it had been 10 minutes they would have claimed jay skipped over stuff. If it was 1 hour they would have claimed he was cherry picking. If it was 2 1/2 hours they would pick on its length anyway, and by now they aren't willing to watch it. At 5 hours, he did a deep analysis of everything and they still didn't pay attention. Can't win with those idiots.
@Tom Ffrench except jays video does not repeat itself that much it is 5 hours because they personally felt that was the amount of time they needed to properly dissect and discuss the seasons of the show
@Tom Ffrench Here is a challenge for you, download and edit the video and hit all the exact same points in an hour, making sure to keep all the context.
@Tom Ffrench So in one breath you say "No criticism needs to be 5 hours long. An hour maybe, but it’s needlessly long to be 5 hours." and in another you say " I haven’t seen Jay’s video". Oh fuck off.
Imagine the guy who said "not all nazis were racist" and that "if people were just more educated about the history of nazis then this scene would have been fine" being the guy who is accusing the other guy of being alt right. Hilarious.
It's a bit weird they mentioned the Indian legion was made of pow as a good point. Like "obviously an Indian man could be a respected part of the nazis and not face terrible repercussions for his race and being a traitor. Goodness they had an legion of kidnapped brown men working for them under the threat of torture and death silly" 😳
@@istvanbrooks5319 well unless someone sneakily edited their messages I dont think anybody here equated Germans with nazis. It's a silly mistake to make, anyway. We all know that most nazis nowadays are American.
I'd like to point out if the nazi's """asked""" you to be a nazi, you didn't really have a choice in the matter as your family was under a gun to obey. Similar to how in China now there are large state sanctioned repurcussions for going against the ccp. So not all nazi's were rasist, particularly in the lower levels where they were literally doing so to not be killed.
Wait so people who spent 5 - 10 seconds reading the tittle and thumbnail of the 5 hour video essay has the right to confidently make dumb and condescending assumptions on said video but the person who made a 5 hour video essay on a series has no right to critic the show the essay is about?
Some genuinely can't grasp the difference between constructive criticism and hate. You said something critical about your favorite show? Hater, hater! It's exhausting
ex-fucking-actly! there are plenty of shows, books, movies i LOVE that are (objectively speaking), poorly made, badly written, etc. i still love them, but i can fully understand and agree with a lot of critiques people have. it doesnt change my opinion of it, but i think understanding where people are coming from is really important
Ppl hate the idea of liking something that isn't well made cause they somehow tie liking that thing to their own self worth but its not deep like that.
I think one of the most important things Jay said (I don’t know if it was in the Doctor Who video) is that your enjoyment of bad things wouldn’t be diminished if it were actually good. Like, there are so many bits of media I love with plot holes and shitty quick characterization, but I wouldn’t love them less if there were no plot holes and fleshed out characters.
@@r00tan16 agree some of my fav movies are structurally bad by a view point of cinematography/pacing/scripts/active but l find are just so much fucking fun ie wild wild west the league of extraordinary gentlemen robocop remake ect and the best thing is l can handle if some one says they don't like it
Interesting comment about the Nazi section - Indians were considered to be in the sub-human class which was the same class as the Jews. Hitler did not believe that they were capable of governing themselves and was against any Nationalist movement started by Indians to fight the British. So no, the article writer is incorrect. The Indian legion was simply using the anti-British sentiment in India to gain an additional fighting force for Germany in a different area of the world, it was NOT an act of respect. The article writer wanted to sound clever but a quick web search will show you otherwise.
Honestly 'there was indian nazis so this man is a nazi because he pointed out a dumb plot point regarding a skin color, and it's only because it's the skin color' is about what I'd expect of the type of arguments who'd resort to such tactics.
Hey remember in Schindler's List when the Nazis had a Jewish Police Service in the Ghetto ? I guess that means handing over Jews to the Nazis was no problem...you stupid article.
i wouldnt call myself an expert on the nazi's or anything but... the "they simply werent white supremicists" nearly made me fall out of my chair. where did this journalist get their history education? i really must know. TIK has a few good videos on their ideology and lists all his sources including some out of Hitlers own words.
@@MrEd8846 TIK is a terrible source. He has consistently demonstrated that he cannot distinguish between Capitalism and Communism as he views TH-cam censorship as Communist due to the private sector advertiser's control over TH-cam's content. TH-cam has an obligation to make money and do whatever makes themselves advertiser friendly, which of course TIK interprets as State-Run Communism because he can no longer say what he likes on their platform. TIK in his recent Stalingrad Pavlov's House video has compared the Nazi occupation of Stalingrad in 1942 with the current day Greater Manchester Police and Scotland Yard's treatment of London. If you don't believe me, check out his youtube comments on that video, he's not even joking, he doubles down and triples down on the idea that Scotland Yard are actual Nazis and is withholding evidence of this because he's afraid of being "purged". TIK is a ideological zealot, the information you get from him is heavily biased.
I listened to the entire thing while working on a project of my own, and the backlash is completely ridiculous. You made what I consider to be very nuanced critiques and frankly I completely agree with the vast majority of it. It did in no way boil down to “woman bad!” People are just weird.
It's mostly due to a retarded modern view of feminism. Everybody wants to argue that just because something has woman in it or is made by a woman, it's automatically a bad thing and should never exist. People just want boil points and nothing else. If you don't know, Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers and his friends all argue that MCU is bad now because it is going to have women. Suddenly the fact that marvel and Kevin Feige bringing in more female characters into focus is bad only shows they don't care and just want to rake in on the grift. Nerdrotic even made a twitter post where he argued with a tag post that it is very sexist to have female directors making superhero films, where the only thing that the tag post said that more female directors should make superhero films. Him saying that only proved that he is incapable of rational thinking. He even argued that shang chi bad because he got defeated by his sister in one scene. Later on, he defeated his father and dweller in darkness in the end. Geeks and Gamers had made a video not criticising Matrix resurrections, but thinking how woke is it. Clearly that's the only thing possible to him. A movie is bad because it has trans allegory, not because it has problems in screenwriting and filmmaking aspects. Humans are evolving....... but backwards.
Aha but you see, woman am bad! The mere choice that the lead role would be filled by a girl means that the media is terrible. The writing and decisions couldn't possibly factor into it at all.
@@highjumpstudios2384 @Ineffable Penguin watch Overlord from season 1 to 4, in last episode of the last season you will see a woman. Don't be scared, they exist. Take deep breath and realice what make you fear and trumble is that this woman is a good character. Not nececarely done good thing to please Jesus, but in all meaning is a "good character".
@@avanishdutta2658 I dont know about the others but nerdrotic watches the shows, does reviews and explains why its bad in discussions. Sounds like you dont watch any of his stuff because it isnt things are bad because women are in it.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I used to watch Nerdrotic's Doctor Who videos. Though I disagreed with him on certain points, I didn't think he was actively a liar or insanely alt-right brainwashed like all the rest of the talking heads who pretend to be critics, and I also disliked series 11, so we agreed more than we disagreed. Then he made his It Takes You Away review where his conclusion was that the whole message of the episode was "white single fathers are bad" and then railed against it for that, a thing that is not remotely congruous with reality. Also having a disabled person be a major character is woke and that's bad. That was the last video of his I ever watched. My life has seen no significant downgrade now that I don't watch a miserable git who's friends with actual Nazis (because you have to be to be in the anti-woke critic space) and makes pretending to like nerd things and hating minorities their entire personality.
People are literally sharing a screenshot that includes a caption saying 'this took me 6 months' and saying "this is obviously just a rant". WHO WORKS ON A RANT FOR SIX MONTHS? THAT'S NOT HOW RANTING WORKS.
It's really unfair to call A deep analysis with actual effort put into it, as a mere 'rant'. It seems like people use the word to discredit what they dislike
@@gentleseal1778 OK that is definitely not what a rant is, lol. “To speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way”, that’s basically the opposite of what you said
People on Twitter are mad that you actually produced an objective and well-informed critique which takes its time instead of crying your feels and half-knowledge into 280 characters. Seems totally coherent.
Objectively, characterisation in the new series is wildly inconsistent for the companions. This is a critique, it is also objective. Not every criticism of creative works is subjective.
Of course there were different races allied with the Nazis, but that didnt really change Jay's point that Chibnall clearly was having The Doctor weaponize The Master's perceived race against them.
I saw that 5 hour video essay pop up in my feed and thought "well, I'm definitely not watching that". But I didn't expect anyone to get so mad about it that they half-accidentally aligned themselves with Nazi ideologies. What a world we live in.
Some people just can't (or don't want to) recognize the difference between a rant, a review, and an autopsy/analysis. The more problems something has, the longer it takes to break them all down and describe where, how and why it went off the rails.
Now that I think about it, they did side with Japan. So now I'm confused. Why would they do that if they're racist? Maybe they just appreciated that Japan was also racist
Thing is, if my understanding of history is correct, that part of the article wasn't the problem. The racism of the Nazi's is not as cut and dry as is often assumed (please read; they were still incredibly racist); for instance, there were actually Nazi Jews. Based on my understanding of WW2, it is not inconceivable that a person of color rose to a position of military rank in the Nazi party... unfortunately the article then devolved into meaningless ad hoc strawman nonsense.
@@andrewbailey695 No that's not actually true. There were a lot of Jews that were members of the NSDAP who still got killed in the concentration camps, especially in the later stages when it was clear that the war was lost. EDIT: and also, if your point is "The Nazis weren't actually that bad", WTF?! They literally killed MILLIONS of people.
Howdy... I'm an aged, huge fan of Doctor Who. I grew up in an agrarian community in Virginia's, poverty stricken Appalachian country. So, we had 3 channels available in 1974 here, and if I turned the 13" B&W TV'S rabbit ear antenna just right, I could pick up PBS. That brought Jon Pertwee's amazing Doctor into my life. Later I would utterly fall in love with Tom Baker's Doctor. Doctor Who and Star Trek were my oasis of sanity in an extremely depressing and soul crushing world here. When your mother makes you a ketchup sandwich for your birthday because she grabbed a bunch of packets from a store when no one noticed, Doctor Who telling you that violence doesn't solve problems, becomes a balm for the pain. My anger at what they did to a show that literally made me a better person, far exceeds your own. But, your 5 hour video was very well made, and thought out. If it means anything, I applaud you and respect your views and opinions. Keep swinging and making videos. You're good at it. Take care... Rob / : )
People on the internet have embarassed themselves by not watching this Video here and then pretending to totally know what it contains. What sheer embarassment.
This is exceptional and I hope he sees your comment. For reasons like your own, this is why I firmly believe that media (including grainy, B&W, 13" TV shows) can be so overwhelmingly influencial. And having your reason for being more-than-a-fan abandoned by the creative team feels personally insulting. Therefore, it's not, "change is bad" as the battle cry; but, "this affects me deeply and I don't believe that I can support its continued existence".
I love the implications that Jay of all people would have a problem with a character that was previously perceived as male now presents as a woman. It takes a lot of not-doing-your-research to reach that conclusion.
Same smooth-brained energy as those people who call YMS homophobic/alt-right. Why respond to the actual criticism when you can resort to cookie-cutter Ad hominem?
From my experience on TH-cam with video essays, these guys going "Oh god it's 5 hours, it's just a bunch of hate filled bs, isn't it?" have it exactly the other way around. Like, if someone's going to put in the time and effort to go through the process of scripting and editing down the script for 5 hours worth of video, spend countless days just recording the lines, find the right clips, edit those clips in while making sure they won't trip the copyright censors, and everything else that goes into such a huge project, it's not just going to be a rant. By the time anyone just finished recording everything, I'd imagine the anger would be so far past dead that they'd just feel like scrapping it entirely rather than continuing. If someone just wanted to make a rant hating on a thing that people like complaining about for views, it's not going to be a 5 hour long video that's the result of a months long project. It'll probably be like a 20 minute video, maybe an hour if they _really_ push it. That doesn't take nearly the same commitment as a full hours long video essay would.
I've seen hour long videos about how the "global elite" aka Jews are taking over the world Video length isn't a good indicator for quality in either direction
People love to make dismissive blanket statements instead of acknowledging the fact that someone made a valid criticism of their favorite media. I wish he'd just ignore the folks on Twitter. It's full of people who will complain over anything they like, because that little corner of the internet encourages people to get angry at trivial nonsense. Unfortunately this time, they came for Jay.
That’s what I was thinking? Like what do you mean ‘5 hours means it’s going to be a rant’ what kind of rant lasts 5 hours without at least some proof regarding the claims they’re ranting over
sadly this is what people do about everything now. people think they are educated about the things they know nothing about, and they build opinions without any knowledge
"People aren't allowed to have favourite eras without sifting through all the hate" You have one video before you get to the official Doctor Who TH-cam Channel love. You don't have to "sift" through anything. Also that article that talks about the Indian WWII villains describes them as having been POWs. You know, PRISONERS of war? Meaning it's likely that they were tortured, broken down, etc? Did they read their own article?
@@flyingpiggles1034 I sure admit i dont know better Doctor Who Coverage then Jay Exci... ...But i do wanna mention Critical Drinker and Hbomberguy. Let them be Honorable Mentions.
@@thealgerian3285 I love how your cringeinducing comment full of negative assumptions about a total stranger online is sandwiched in my yt-notifications. Sandwiched by another person reacting to the same nice Gift of Recommendations and they literally do not make an a-s out of themselves and get blocked, but instead they told me 3 minutesb efore your comment appreared to me: „Thank you for the recommendations! I really hope this leads to a lot of healing for a lot of people.“
"Having criticism is good. 5 hours of criticism sounds like a rant!" So... is she indirectly calling out all those documentaries on Nazi's as rants, rather than valid criticism? Or about Women's suffrage? Or Slavery? Are we now in the era of humanity where, "Anything long is bad, because I'm a lazy piece of crap and don't WANT to hear that I'm wrong" is a valid excuse?
Sometimes, you simply can't address a topic with sufficient nuance in a short clip. Sure there's presenters that pad out time with a lot of fluff, but that doesn't mean that long is always bad. It would be nice if things could be kept short, yes, but it's not always possible. By having a knee-jerk reaction to the discomfort of a long run time, there's the risk of missing out on important information.
Pretty sure if you can't watch something in one sitting, there is always the option of taking a break and come back to it at any time. Even the most basic of things they cannot fathom anymore.
Hell, I do that preemptively. Its bad to judge a book by its cover (or a bio by it's dog whistles), but I kinda just want to enjoy the internet, and generic-possum-avatar people tend to kick up a stink over even tiny things
"The implied misogyny of making a video on the only female Doctor Who" You mean the video in which he spends most of it criticising the white male that made the show and praising the shit out of what I assume is the only episode where the lead writer is a woman and his main point of praise is that the female doctor is demonstrating strength against the male villain who is also demonstrating strength, showing that she's not going to be intimidated by his display of strength? He also spends most of the video criticising the fact that the female Doctor is shown to be too weak, both emotionally and charismatically throughout the series and said that he was more excited to hear that the female lead writer for that one episode becoming a core writer for the next season than he was when he was a child sitting inside an operable Dalek. You don't need any more proof that these people resort to accusations of sexism without actually caring about whether or not it's sexist just as a way to dismiss something entirely without having to argue their stance or make any effort whatsoever.
A video being hours long is a selling point to me. It signals to me "This person has put in a huge amount of effort and time to make something they feel some kind of passionate about and are sharing it with people." And I love that shit! I love hearing people who know a lot about a thing I know little or absolutely nothing about just go on about the topic for hours, whether that's positive or negative, or both. Not saying every hour long videos are like this, but most of them are I believe. You don't fill hours of video time with nonsense or unfounded hate, that's what twitter's for.
not to get political (legitimately speaking), but that's what always interests me about leftist youtubers on yt they have these comically long videos about topics that may not interest me at first, but it's the sheer length of the videos that always catch my eye he's not political really, but emplemon exemplifies what i'm talking about
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee Not to get political, but it is perceived a left-wing thing because right-wingers are usually grifters or genuinely fucking stupid.
'There's a suspicious amount of female characters in fiction.' I'm glad someone else noticed that! What's with that anyway? I'm afraid I've started to notice this weird trend in real life too... Why are there so many women??? What's the meaning of that? Politically correctness will kill us all! /s
I like how the guy meant it as women are taking a man's role as main character and says wonder woman. Woman is in her name. Do u think it's gonna be a man. Also what is wrong with women for main roles
This exactly! I don't care if I viemently disagree and will probably never have my opinion swayed on a given topic. If you put enough obvious care and effort into something, I'm going to watch it and hear you out because obviously you want people like me who don't agree to watch it. I want to encourage discourse, and hey, maybe I will be swayed. 5 hours can house a lot of arguments, and maybe there's one on there I haven't heard before and instantly convinces me to change my opinion.
yeah i honestly don't get where this "thing long bad" mindset came from. me first thought went to twitter and other forms of social media, even blogs, where they either don't give that room for long form essay or there's room for that but people are discouraged from making those types of posts bc the engagement is low anyway. sure there's a chance someone might just trail off and starts ranting only slightly coherent in long videos, but at that point it's easy to tune out. but any long form response/critique imo should be welcomed at first (i.e. not immediately dismissed) bc hey, the probability of the creator fully explain their reasoning and why they came to the conclusion they came to is pretty high.
Yes it was a bit long, but you got to consider the source material is a show that's lasted for 50 FUCKING years. So 1 hour a decade isn't so hard to swallow. I watched the whole thing, was worth it, and it wasn't repetitive.
My last exposure to Doctor Who was as a child, with the 10th and 11th Doctor eras. I clicked out of curiosity and was amazed at the quality and depth of feedback. Five hours is, arguably, brisk for deconstruction of an entire season of televison with 22 50 minute episodes! This is good faith, useful, well-considered critique that gave me excellent insight into the problems with the new season, and actually got me interested in checking out some more of the show! I felt like watching more of the old seasons, checking out some extended media! Stuff like this should be seen as an absolute gold mine for showmakers. It even had community polls! Real data! Fuck, I would kill to get that on *one* script I've done, never mind two full seasons!
I genuinely don’t understand how people can so confidently complain about the content of a video they haven’t seen. To me, even when badly criticizing a TH-cam video for things like misogyny, or racism, or anything for that matter, the first logical step would be to WATCH THE VIDEO. These people are acting high and mighty for not liking a TH-cam video they haven’t watched yet and claiming baselessly they the video is arguing in bad faith. The worst part of all of this though is that I’m not surprised it’s happening. What has the world come to?
I definitely can’t fathom how people do that. I get anxious when I make a comment before I finish a video about literally anything because WhAt If ThEy TaLk AbOuT iT lAtEr?!?!? So the confidence some people have to just say what they think someone says without doing the smallest scrap of research by just watching the damn thing is just 😳😳😳
My biggest surprise is that one of them (that Martin) was actually a journalist. You'd assume journalists of all people would understand how important it is to have ACTUALLY WATCHED THE SOURCE before saying anything huge about it. If I had to guess, their excuse was probably "not worth my time"-even though you can easily just skim through the first ten or twenty minutes to at least get the rundown. Anyone whose first thought when seeing a video length of five hours is "Oh no, it will be rant" then...ok? But actually watch and look out for rant signs first?
TO be perfectly frank about your last question, this is not new behaviour that the World is suddenly experiencing. This is why things like Chernobyl occurred, not to mention the cover-up which followed it; and it predated the 1980s as well, by decades. It begs a question, are they aware of how they're projecting Bad Faith rather than owning their own proverbial shit? Or are they oblivious to it?
@@milkjug4237 honestly it’s a shame what journalism has come to but half the problem is that the internet allows people with zero training or ethical standards to become “reporters,” and in order to keep up with their rapid fire trash reporting more legitimate sources have had to trade their careful researching for reactionary BS like this.
It’s like responses to his paradise pd (?) video - which were largely “everyone is entitled to an opinion so how dare you attack something I like” - not realising their very line of ‘reasoning’ invalidates their whole argument
Nah but you see when someone makes a video on TH-cam and other people watch it, they may agree with it and if the opinion they agree with is that the thing I like is bad, then that means they think I am bad so their opinion can't be true because I like it and I am not bad therefore my opinion is more valid than theirs and they can go fuck themselves and their freedom of thought because my freedom of thought is more important because I think therefore I am! I... I think that's how that goes? It hurts trying to think through that kind of reasoning.
I'm a truck driver and I love listening to 5 hour videos as I drive across the country. It's a great way to pass the time. Thank you for making extra long videos, they are wonderfully entertaining and I will listen to every single minute of them!
The Indian Legion were POWs... *PRISONERS* *OF* *WAR* They probably weren't fighting along side the Villains of WW2 because they agreed with the Villains of WW2 article writer...
It wasn't Indian Pow's who were forced to fight for the nazi's. They recruited Indian pow's who didn't like Britain for whatever reasons ( probablly because they wanted to get the British out of India) and Indians who were living in Europe that didn't like the allies/fine with the nazis.
There were also Arab SS volunteers, ofc it’s not like this means they wouldn’t turn on them later. (Hell, I think they’d fight Italy later if they somehow woulda won or didn’t go to war over the city state of Danzig/Gdansk)
Seriously twitter, that wasn't a hate video. It was a patient and loving explanation to the show runners why they're not doing a good job. With loads of evidence, well reasoned critisims and a level headed tone throughout the whole thing. It was essentially a masterful essay. A work of art. At no point did I feel enraged, just amused, and sad that something I like is being so neglected. It was actually VERY USEFUL. And I seriously want to thank you here because I like to write for fun, bit found myself frustrated with my writing lately. Watching this video made me realize I was going down many of the paths he was describing, and how to avoid it in the future. Seriously, if someone put this as course material for a college on how to write for media, it would be well justified and very informative. I wish the creators of this show would watch this.
@@totallynotaferrettrue, but literally every hate comment I've seen levelled towards Jay was from people saying worse things than was ever said about Chibnall in the video It just came across as some cheeky comedy about some of his shite writing. Meanwhile, people are calling Jay sad, having no personality, the video being unwatchable (despite not watching said video...) Hell, even Jay pointed out anything he did like about the episodes! These people are so fragile they can't handle any amount of criticism levelled at a show, that I bet some of them haven't even watched themselves
I watched the whole 5h critique (with the speed increased to my preferred comfortable listening pace) fully planning to watch something else as soon as the video got boring, felt disingenuous, or otherwise not worth my time. I found the comparison of old and new Who very apt, and despite my ADHD I never clicked away. The haters are gonna hate, let them wallow in their ignorance.
Had the exact same experience! "I'll turn it off when I get bored, let's see..." Held my attention the whole time, includes so many clips of the show! Jay could've made a separate video for every episode, ended up with way more hours of content, but no one would've cared. _(I also have ADHD)_
I watched a 5 hour video essay on a show that I have never seen in my life. That’s how engaging, interesting and fascinating that 5 hour video essay was. I split it over a few days and I was so excited every time I went back to the video to continue. 👏
What I really hate about people defending the Chin-ball-ear because “it’s a woman so criticism must be misogyny” is that it feels like it’s an old man using a young talented woman as a shield to hide behind and honestly that feels more scummy. Honestly, I feel a lot of the anti-union, using-your-enemies-colour-to-alert-the-Nazis messages would have sounded horrible had someone who looked like Capaldi delivered them. No one would have defended that.
It's the same bullshit as not being able to criticize Isreal for blatant humans rights abuses and apartheid without being accused of anti-semitism. Also all of the criticism for this area is directed at CHIBNALL, _not_ Jodie. I've seen so many comments on the DW subreddit in the line of 'I really like Jodie and it's a crying shame Chibnall writes such shit material for her, with a better writer she would rightfully shine'. If anything people are mad the first female doctor is wasted.
God I really hate the weaponizing of identities in discourse. I know there are lots of reactionaries who will undermine people’s opinions because of it and all, but goddamn. It feels like it’s used unbelievably cynically sometimes
Exactly. It's "misogynist" and apparently bigoted to criticize Chibnall and his terrible writing? How very convenient for terrible writers. The fact it's a woman character makes it worse in my opinion, not better. We needed a well written female doctor more than ever right now, and I can't believe they let Chris Chibnall have it and ruin it like they did. 😠
21:07 - you know my brain kept trying to distract me with that "Am I gay?" quiz but you just nonchalantly and without missing a beat giving it attention in the way that you did broke me a little. thank you
Man, Hbomb just uploads multiple hour long videos about things I've never heard and I watch them. SO 5 hours of doctor who? I was sold and enjoyed it. It's a good video and this one too. Tahnks.
tbh, the whole "you're just hating on these seasons because the doctor is a woman in them"-thing is so dumb because...yeah, let's talk about the fact that she's a woman. Let's talk about the fact that the writers failed to give the first female doctor a personality as distinct as that of other doctors. Let's talk about how they made her scared and nervous about things that the doctor wouldn't have been afraid or worried about as a man. Or how she's been reduced to some ethical role model. These are all examples of annoying treatment that many female characters get and your video helped me put a finger on that after it had already been bothering for a while but I couldn't quite define it.
@@DarylStreete I thought it blended in well with his comment talking about how Jay is a woman and being called misogynist. The only reason that really needs to be said is because Jay herself isn't actually making the point of "These people are calling me misogynist despite the fact that I'm a woman". I assume that this is because Jay doesn't want to call attention to the fact ( and also maybe because being a woman doesn't make you unable to be misogynist, just highly unlikely), though in this case I think it'd actually just make sense for her to make this point in this video.
They would have to be quite disconnected from reality if they can say "God, you must be a sad miserable loser to make a 5 hour hate video" and honestly believe that they have to beat someone down whom they perceive as sad and emotionally fragile, and in all honesty think best course of action is to bully them into submission. Doesn't matter if the targed isn't ACTUALLY sad and emotionally fragile, fact is: These people BELIEVE that the targed is sad and emotionally fragile, and still beat down on him. With other ACTUALLY depressed and emotionally fragile people this can lead to suicide.
Here's the truth: they don't think their target is sad or emotionally fragile. They want to make their target sad and emotionally fragile, and believe that if they accuse them of being these things it will happen.
Some of their points were disproved within the first five minutes of the video. Like the journalist who said that Jay must just not have much experience with Doctor Who. What an absolute embarrassment. How do you get to that level in your career and still make mistakes that a first year journalism student wouldn’t make?
'Implied misogyny' huh? It seems like that person is saying that whenever misogyny COULD be a motivating factor, that we should always assume it to be the case. That is literally the definition of acting in bad faith.
There's a much simpler argument about the Nazi episode you could've said: If the Nazis were fine with him being Indian and it wasn't a Problem, why would he need to use the Perception Filter in the First Place?
People on the internet have embarassed themselves by not watching this Video here and then pretending to totally know what it contains. What sheer embarassment.
@@jonagreen7323 I know this is a joke but it's hilarious imagery that the master decided that it will be easier to use clarketech to manipulate the collective consciousness of everyone around him to see him as Aryan, as opposed to just shaving
Martin Belam - "Why would someone waste their time making or watching a 5 hour video about a TV-show" Also Martin Belam - *wastes hours complaining about a 5 hour video that he hasn't even watched*
Jay: Nazis are bad Them: Actually, Nazis aren't as bad as you thought Conclusion: Jay is probably a right-wing extremist Yeah. I'm gonna need some time digesting that one
It stems from 2 misunderstandings by the writer: 1. He thinks criticizing the Chibnall era is wrong because it has a woman lead therefore criticism is born out of a hatred of the lead, rather than... everything else. He feels that other eras were skipped receiving the same criticism because the mains were men rather than the whole part where you can't criticize the writing of a showrunner by criticizing other showrunners and the video is 5 hours long already how many days do you think it would take to go through the entire Doctor Who canon for fuck's sake? 2. He thinks that because some Indians were on the Nazi side in WWII it means that Nazis were fine with Indians, would love and protect them and not put them into concentration camps, kill them or otherwise torture them as potential spies if found wearing their army's uniform. Quote: "It also seems that there is some inspiration from the extreme right-wing influencers, like the misguided “Indian man and Nazis” point, and the misogyny that is implied in singling out the series that have had a female actor playing the Doctor."
I've never seen Doctor Who before, but I clicked on it out of curiosity. I didn't see how long it was. I watched the whole thing in one go and barely noticed the time fly. Jay should be proud. He single handedly convinced me to watch it... As soon as he watches the Lord of the Rings. Do it, Jay.
@@ziwuri You realise "He" is literally one of the pronouns right? Which is what was used? Also I'm almost certain those pronouns in itself is a joke because he doesn't care what he's referred to as. You pointing it out on all these comments means the joke went right over your head and you're doing the very opposite of its intention. Stop bringing it up.
@@ziwuri I'm not sure i've seen anyone with pronouns laid out in order like that in terms of preference. Not saying people don't do it, I totally could believe that. Just saying me and other people I know just have it as more of a listing of pronouns rather then a best to worst.
@@ziwuri Again I could totally understand that, and either way I always make sure to call anyone what their preferred pronoun is if they have one. I just think it's worth remember the slash simply means and/or, so most likely people are saying exactly that in terms of their pronouns, not specifically listing them in order. Still, you at least pointed the possibility out, and I think that's worth keeping in mind as well, so in the future I might also try to keep it in mind as a possibility. Just know that not everyone specifically does this, infact I know many who have pronouns they prefer just sort of set randomly.
@@ziwuri And I totally get that, a lot of thoughts we formed can often be carried by our own biases and what not. I absolutely wasn't here to put down you for what you said or nothing if there's anyone thinking that, because I totally can understand that, and tbh anyone who would use pronouns you're uncomfortable with are probably assholes. I just think, while okay to make it known what pronouns prefer, we should also remember that it's not really us who says who someone's preferred pronouns are in specifics, we can't speak for others after all, which I think you already understand anyways given you said so, and that requires a level o maturity I think more people could have.
Dude this is the biggest problem today IMO, people have seagull conversations. They fly by, shit all over the place and zoom away refusing to actually talk about everything they just said..
Almost like twitter is a website designed for people who's core personality trait is outrage (sometimes their only personality trait), and them actually watching the video would not let them express their only sense of self.
I find it funny and mildly annoying that there seems to be an unspoken assumption that the person making this was a sexist cishet man, when it's actually an openly liberal trans woman
Big corporations aren't stupid. They don't give two shits about diversity and inclusion, they embrace it because it's very convenient for them when voices critical of their sub-standard product can be immediately written of as cishet, conservative, patriarchal bigots and ignored. They like the fanbase dividing along political lines.
Hey there! WW2 History geek here. Let's talk about why that Indian man would absolutely have been executed by the Nazis in that scene, shall we? So, first of all, there are two insignias that can be referenced from the man's uniform. The show correctly identified him as part of the Waffen-SS from both the shoulder insignia and the insignia on the hat. Let me first talk about the shoulder. What he has there signifies him of a rank of CO or above. More specifically, what I believe to be an Oberführer which is in rank equivalent to a Colonel. I'm making the decision to assume that he is an Oberführer due to the fact that there is no time where you are able to view the collar insignia to determine it, but due to it seeming as though he's in charge of the local Waffen-SS militants, one can easily make such an assumption. In the video, there was mention of the Indian Legion. This is extremely important considering not only the views of the SS and to an extent, the Waffen-SS, but the Nazi High Command all on the views on Indians. They were considered "pathetic", with Adolf Hitler once being on record to state that "...The Indian Legion are a joke." They were not permitted to mix with any German militaries nor allowed to fight in any front other than India and overall were completely segregated from the entirety of the German Military. These of course changed near the latter parts of the war - although - it was during these latter parts whence they joined the Waffen-SS. The Indian Man holds the insignia of the SS-Totenkopfverbände, or in English Terms, SS Death's Head. This division was known for its brutality, sheer disregard for human life other than German and disgust for foreign nations that were deemed to be lesser. They committed atrocities across the entirety of Europe and were in charge of some of the concentration camps and committed countless war crimes. Now, imagine these soldiers seeing that not only has their colonel been shown to be a traitor - but is an Indian. And now consider the views of German High Command on Indians and especially the views of the SS-Totenkopfverbände. He wouldn't live. Thanks for reading lmfao
It's easy to understand even without this historical knowledge. It should be known to masses that Nazi wanted to create "perfect race" (thus breeding facilities and sometimes stealing kids of the perfect image) and this soldier wasn't even white... And this is without considering that he have skull on hat...
@@ladrok97 Nazis wanted to create the perfect race, of course, the Aryans - blue eyes, blonde hair, perfect skull structure as seen in Eugenics etc. However - it should be stated that they weren't *against* utilizing individuals from different ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. For one, there was the Ost battalions utilized on the beaches of Normandy in Operation Overlord, especially at, iirc, Juno and Sword beaches which were primarily comprised of Soviet prisoners. Russians were considered inferior, but their use of such "inferior" forces demonstrates that they weren't against using "lesser" people. I can understand what you mean, such a person in that power being shown to not exactly be who they believe will obviously spark some resentment and anger within the SS forces there, my goal was to sort of demonstrate just how *screwed* over he was due to that field being disabled
@@spiderweb1212 Like the daleks. It's kind of obvious that daleks are Nazis, but it's not only the very obvious stuff. It includes the daleks working with "allies" that they clearly have no respect for, and having people who postpone their destruction by agreeing to work for the daleks, or people the daleks force to work for them, either as labor or soldiers. The daleks also very often proclaim that they do not have to honor promises made to inferior races.
When I’m analyzing pop culture, your 5-hour vid is one of a handful I revisit to make sure my own analysis is clear, comprehensive, and logical. Thank you for your meticulous work! You are an inspiration.
I was so confused when i found this out; I mean, sure, general backlash? I expected that. But 'Length-Backlash'?! I legit didnt knew that was a Thing. Since when is Length equal to bad Quality?! I literally always connected it with 'Effort', which of course is a part of Good Quality. I mean, regardless of the Content (which in this case, was epic; evidend by how many people watched it all), this is a good thing? Long Video = Positive, yes????? ? Anyway: Such people as calling someone Hater or even Woman-Hater for LITERAL NO REASON are an EMBARASSMENT. I have no better words; sorry for being harsh; but most of these comments are outright Laughable.
It’s amazing how much worse the insults hurled at Jay are than anything she said about Doctor Who. “The characterization is superficial at best and contradictory at worst” vs “you’re a shit person who wastes time that could be spent on creative endeavors.”
honestly, i will probably watch that five hour video again and again. it's not only a fun and interesting watch, but it's also a masterclass in what to do and what not to do when writing characters, and as a writer i learnt a lot. thanks for making it!
The point was already talked down but I find it just laughable that this dude really tried to argue, because the nazis had a singular legion of LITERAL PRISONERS OF WAR (POWs being a fancy term for war slaves), that the nazis would have just overlooked his skin color or even accepted Indians is just insane.
Prisoners of War are captured combatants, not slaves. Also Penal Battalions were a common practice as both the Nazis and Soviets used them, even on the front lines.
the amount of people who reduce your criticism to 'they must secretly hate the series because Woman Doctor' kind of feels misogynist in its own way to me. like these people think the only noteworthy thing about the new series is Woman Doctor and the only thing that matters about the new doctors personality is Woman Doctor.
Any time someone assumes you only hate a series because a character in it's a minority even if your criticism and dislike of it has nothing to do with minorities is usually projecting.
I have only ever watched 3 Doctor Who episodes and i still watched the whole 5 hour video It was good, and i decided that im going to watch the whole show right now because my life is boring Thanks!
@@darklord884 Same. I don't GAF about Dr. Who... I mean I don't dislike it, I have friends who are into it, but I've never heard anything that made me go, "I have to see this!" But I am interested in fandoms in general, so I'll watch a review video about a specific subject I may not be specifically interested in.
@@josephkerrigan733 i don't remeber I just know that all 3 of them were with the 11th doctor and i watched a few more episodes for like a few minutes so i didn't count them
@@kristofer530 Oh fair enough. "Blink" despite only containing about 5 minutes of the doctor on screen is considered a starter episode that if you don't like you probably won't enjoy the series. It was back when David Tennant was the doctor. I'd recommend it but if you're pretty sure the show isn't for you then fair enough. 😃
I'm an engineer but I TOTALLY relate with the "working on a project for 4 months longer than you wanted to" thing! Cracked me up! I listened to your 5 hour rant all week and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm glad you did it.
Lemme tell you: Madvocate did the same thing for The Flash and Hbomberguy did it for both Sherlock and RWBY, if not even his entire channel being the same concept. So yeah, constructive Criticms gets more popular, that’s for sure, but let’s support it more by liking said videos and it’s comments and recommending fans of one of them the others, just like i do now (random as it may be).
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*Do NOT attempt to contact the people whose tweets were displayed in this video. This includes the public figures.*
Not even the one who got so mad I didn't like a TV show that they resorted to defending the nazis.
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I’m dissapointed this isn’t a 5hr rebuttal to the backlash.
5 hours per every comment!
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@@waltf.4 SHORT _CLAP_ MAN _CLAP_ BAD
Saying "Someone shitting on somebody else's creativity" after calling their 5 hour long project "unwatchable negative shit" (without having seen it) is some next level irony lmfao
And coming from a person who's supposed to be a professional journalist... welp.
@@Vits117 Not a professional journalist, a writer for the Guardian. These are not the same thing.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse Professional crack pot is a better term.
Hypocrisy is the biggest issue I have with these people filled with "toxic positivity" or that reject criticism claiming it's "Evil people that want to use objectivity to make their opinions sound more legit, SHAME ON THEM FOR NOT BEING A SUBJECTIVE FREE BIRD LIKE I AM!!!" ...Even though they themselves are doing exactly that: shitting on people for not complying to _their_ (very flimsy and malleable) standards of right and wrong.
@@Vits117 I don't honestly think that "professional" and "journalist" can exist in the same sentence anymore.
Unless it's something like "This professional's life was ruined by a journalist who couldn't be bothered to do proper research before they released their clickbaity hit piece."
Twitter user: "People shouldn't spend their time being hateful about another person's work" - proceeds to spend time being hateful about another person's work.
That’s what annoys me the most about them.They go on about "let people do what they want" etc etc and then get offended by a video they aren’t even gonna watch.Literally if jodie whittaker took a shit on the tardis floor and you said something bad about it,you’d be branded a sexist hater 🙄
Proceeds to use twitter...
@I Dunno definitely.Most of the people who defend her madly are the same people who didn’t want capaldi coz he was "too old".Its just hypocrisy at its finest
That’s pretty much extremist groups for you. Or just…Twitter in general. You apply logic to any controversial subjects, there are bound to be people coming up in arms to shun that logic in an attempt to defend their pride.
Such is the world, I suppose.
This is why I don't use and rather despise Twitter
Jay: Hey nazis are racist
Reporter: No they aren’t, they “tolerated” having brown people on earth to help them conquer it
Jay:
Reporter: I’m defending nazis now
Jay: what?
Reporter: you are a right wing extremist
Jay: what
Ain’t this the truth!
Happens on both sides. There was a famous case where a sexual predator (who happened to be trans) was targeting Muslim women and children. And the usual liberal arguments like "conservatives only pretend to care about kids" or "you just hate trans people". But like no serious this person repeatedly assaulted kids and brown people. Their identity shouldn't matter.
I appreciate the lack of question mark in the second "what".
It's not a question anymore, its an expression of incredulity.
@ didn’t mean to do that but it works.
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
indeed
HHGTTG reference fuck yeah
#Godisoverparty
he's literally created racist, sexist, mysoginistic people, which means he's racist apparently. im shaking n crying rn how could he have done this
Do you have your towel with you?
@@timohummel9996 nope
If you can rant for five hours, that is f%%%ing amazing. Seriously, your Doctor Who video was amazing and spot on. In order for you to make that video, you had to be a HUGE fan of the product. You can't be that in depth on where the show has gone wrong without seeing just how right the show can be. I lost interest and wondered if I just grew out of it, so I went back and watched a Tennant episode and realized I still love what the show was, just not what it is now.
My boyfriend holds a neutral dislike of Doctor Who and he watched half the 5 hour video with me
... the latter half, after casually watching over my shoulder and being entranced.
Most 'rants', the non-structured kind, won't go on for 5 hours in general. You gotta meticulously plan for that
Only the original Longman @mauler can do 5 hour rants. In an unbridled rage.
@@SkepticalWaves And how awesome they are
When two channels you are subscribed to collide
"Lol its fantasy, just accept it" is an argument made by people who dont give a shit about fantasy as a genre.
There is something inherently dismissive when people suggest that a given genre shouldn't be taken too seriously. You wanna get me really serious, suggest that comedy shouldn't be taken seriously.
"it's fantasy, and because magic/fictional race/other fantasy trope exists, that means they can do literally anything and you're not allowed to criticize it or think that it feels off."
@@THATGuy5654 then there's people who don't want to discuss fiction in general because "it's just what the writer decides it is" For example when you ask "if character A fights character B, who'd win?" and some smartass says "whoever the writer wants to win"
i guess let's never discuss any fiction ever because someone can decide the outcome
@@Crabgar I fucking HATE IT when people do that. It’s so fucking annoying!
It's not even that, it's an argument made by people who don't care about internal consistency and having a believable world.
You don't make a 5 hour highly edited criticism of a property unless you truly love that property.
have you watch the video?
@@plazolaferreyro3416 Yeh, they love the property, they don’t like that era but in general they love it
Didn't mauLer make like 26 hours of criticism about the new star wars trilogy
@@melgibsonero yep, and a 10 hour criticism of someone's criticism of dark souls 2.
You don't make five hours of criticism period unless you have not organized your thoughts properly and succinctly enough.
BIG ONION requires BIG WORK
BIG STINK over Jay's BIG WORK does not require BIG WATCH or BIG THINK.
Yes, let's get Shrek involved into this.
BIG ONION requires BIG WOK
*yes*
Big Shrek requires Big Donkey?
When you’re so anti-racism and anti-sexism you accidentally defend the nazis, making yourself racist and assume someone doesn’t like a show because the main character is a woman which is kinda sexist
Underrated comment.
horseshoe theory in a nutshell
Wise words I once read, something along the lines of "The political spectrum, is actually a circle."
This comment is underrated! 💯
@@nin2494 lmao only in america or britain would an at most liberal take be used as an example example of "the left" to try and prove horseshoe theory
twitter is 90% someone imagining a guy, tricking themselves into believing that guy exists and then getting mad about it
5% those guys that actually exist
4% normal people who only have an account to follow certain creators
1% celebrity accounts that get 99% of all interaction
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions, but enough talk, have at you!
Oh my god, you're right
@@warlordofbritannia 90 percent fan
You forgot, they dont just imagine the guy and get angry, they assign someone to be the imaginary guy then get mad at that real person
Jay: **points out weirdly racist thing in show**
Some journalist: “Well you see the Nazis weren’t actually all that racist because…”
based
/j
Honestly, if you think Nazis were generally pretty racist people, maybe you're a fascist I guess?
and yet they AREN'T the alt right one in this scenario?
Well they weren’t racist like that, they had actual things that they hated about the races they put in the camps, you can argue the truth of their beliefs but it wasn’t ever just “they look different” in the nazi perception.
@@Abysalss That is literally racism.
"Fascist? Some of my best infantry are Indian" -A. Hitler
The point the guy from that article was making was completely asinine anyway. "Oh yeah the Nazis occasionally made use of non-white collaborators and therefore had no problems with non-white people and would happily put them in positions of authority over German soldiers" is a nonsensically bad take. They also made use of Russian collaborators, would this guy read that as the Nazis having no particular loathing for Slavs, for example? What a dingus.
@@garethharold3600 also the fact that he put black people down with Jews and gypsies as the worst in the world
@TheMagicMudkip exactly, pragmatically diverging from the fanatically racist dogma for convenience =/= being not that racist, actually
@@garethharold3600 Even more if you just look at the dates. The Indian SS units were from 44. The writing was already at the wall at that point. They were cannon fodder, nothing more. The Nazis used people they thought "lesser" so less "good aryans" would die.
@@CARILYNF Alexander Hitler
there are people whos FULL CAREER is analyzing authors works/books/theories, and no one complains when they release FULL PUBLISHED BOOKS on their findings, and there are people complaining about a 5 hour youtube video. That makes me sad.
Yeah but that’s fine because
I hope it made you super sad. Oh no wait, that would be pathetic
@@DeviantDork no, what's super sad is pretending to be a woman online when you're really a man, Evan.
yes but book good internet bad
"I can't believe someone would make something so negative" they say, as they themselves are being negative over something they haven't even FUCKING SEEN.
10/10 bimpson in your profile picture there, very nice
Overly positive people are far worse than any negative person from what I've seen.
Imagine thinking a blind hater would be motivated enough to produce 5 hours of carefully edited content. The actual blind haters didn't even bother to consume those 5 hours.
No, they think it's 5 hours of unedited ranting
@@user-bz3kd2mt3ubecause they can’t be bothered to even watch
Real haters would just scream at the top of their lungs for 5 decades straight
@@thatonespooder1513a blind hater wouldn't look at the title an nod because they wouldn't be able to see the title on account of being blind.
I'm sorry... not entirely but partially.
Blind haters post screenshots of title cards on Twitter and say "look how bad this is" :)
"And then they blocked me" is a better plot twist that anything Chibnall could have written
Chibnall would be like "and then it turned out they were a 6 foot alien cow from the dawn of time for some reason, deal with it"
*Chinball :D
@@dancer14280 ChinBallEar :D
@@Erkitka *Chin-Ball-Ear
Chris chibnall can write plots?!
I don’t know why people get mad about constructive criticism
Because internet man said mean angery things about thing I like
MHM They just don't like opinions that contradict their own
Because some people tie their whole personality to things that they like. And since they lack other aspects of their personality, an attack on their favorite things turns into a personal insult to them.
They can endlessly talk about how their favorite thing is beautiful. And if you dare to criticize their favorite thing, suddenly standards begin to be imposed. Is the criticism too short? The criticism is superficial. Is the criticism too long? Go outside and touch the grass!
All feelings are important, all assessments are valid, any criticism is hatred. Enjoy the product. Don't ask questions. But only you can't criticize. They can descend to the most poisonous and vile personal insults. They will run after you for three days just to tell you how much they don't care about you and how sorry they are for you.
Because for them, you are a villain who wants to get a quality product. And they have enough of the available product and they are happy. And you spoil their fun, because you claim that their favorite thing is bad. After all, you can't love bad things and understand that they are bad. Smokers, for example, usually understand that their lungs will not thank them for cigarettes. But they can't admit it. For their favorite things are their personalities. And if they like bad things, then their personality is not so good either.
Because they want to avoid criticism all together. It's pretty simple, but frankly it doesn't excuse the show of doctor who or help it. I thought Jay was more than fair in his video as opposed to complaining identity politics and not showing why the show is clearly a dumpster fire of qaulity at this point even without politics being put in.
Insecurities.
They don't want something they deem 'precious' to them being 'put down' by other people. Ironically enough, they're also generally the kind of people who'll jump in glee when something they don't like get that very treatment.
Quotation mark, because it doesn't actually have to be that. It just have to be perceived as 'putting down' by some folks.
"The Fall of Doctor Who" is seriously a masterpiece. Great work.
agreed. I have never watched an episode of doctor who in my life, but I still watched through all 5 hours of that video essay and it kept my attention and I throughly enjoyed it
I’ve never seen an episode of doctor who, but I’ve watched Jay’s video on it more times than I would like to admit
It is about the fall of modern western civilization or at least quite a large part of it.
Rather sad really.
honestly i think the freaking article calling your views "fascist" and "misogynistic" might as well be sued for defamation because that is some very heavy and untrue accusations.
Fun-Fact:
Madvocate and Hbomberguy, legends as they are,
did just what Jay Exci did.
HOUR-LONG and CONSTRUCTIVE (!) Criticism about Shows.
Videos so damn-good that not knowing the Shows discussed is literally no
reason not to watch.
Unfortunately that probably wouldn't hold in court because that singular comment on its own hasn't caused enough damage to Jay's public image, personal relationships etc.
@@ziwuri ah I see, I'm not an expert so I just thought that would work
@@ziwuri plus it's subjective
while "fascist" and "misogynistic" certainly are false claims, they're subjective enough that they could be seen as opinion, while they actually didn't accuse Jay of any objective things other than the truth
like, they didn't accuse them of saying something they didn't say, or of doing anything
@@raphaelmorgan2307 You're wrong. They clearly accused her of criticizing the new Doctor Who episodes only because the main character is a woman instead of a man.
(I hate that I feel like I have to clarify, but obviously that's not why she made the video. These toxic commenters simply couldn't be bothered to watch it.)
You would think people who like TV shows that go on for years and can't be binged within a few hours would understand how being longer can actually be a good thing.
It’s literally 4 and a half instances of the video long, like what the hell
It's weird because it only seems really logical that, you know, people who make longer videos would probably have more to say? I mean, how many times do people think you can say 'show bad' without actually making an actual point in a FIVE HOUR video??? What???
If anything, it's the really short videos I'd expect to be shallow. If you're taking less than 10 minutes to talk about over 20 hours of footage then I have no idea how you could even get to any meaningful conclusions in that timeframe.
It's certainly a fact that video is 5 hours long.
@@Edax_Royeaux slight over five hours...
I guess people don't like wing punctuation about numbers.
@@dracocrusher Personally, 5hrs is 100% too long HOWEVER: It can be excused because of the target audience of the video. A critical essay in literature really doesn't need that type of length, but a lot of the time spent on the essay seemed to go to source material/evidence of his claims or explaining his stance. Realistically, the same video could be 2-3hrs in length without suffering from that much lost content. It's not quantity that led to its length, more structuring. But again, it's excused by the target audience of the video. It's made to be extremely accessible and well explained so that people can't make weak points about failed criticism or "subjective opinions". That made them turn to "Chibnall bad" and "5hrs?!?", but they're obviously weak criticisms as they don't actually dispute the legitimacy of the criticisms within the video.
For the video itself, I definitely think a big part of its length comes from the 'walkthrough' structured criticisms and them taking too long. While it's a great way to drive home your point to those who aren't as experienced in literature, I think it suffers in long essays about an entire series as it really bloats the length. It works great for essays surrounding a couple of episodes, or essays that are focusing on a certain problem with the series. But with a more general criticism of the entire series, it ends up leading to its long length. Essentially, a large bulk of the essay seemed to be put into paraphrasing.
Personally, I think the essay would be better served with it being segmented into different issues the series suffered from. So, for example, half an hour on the characters of the series, rather than nearly an hour on a single episode. Then, laying out your criticisms/issues with something like the characters without relying too much on the source material to continually prove your point. A couple of scenes supporting your claims are a good thing, but entire episodes with a variety of criticisms leads to the longer length and kind of random structure of actual points made.
Really enjoyed the video, BUT its length was an issue. Again, doesn't actually dispute his points, it's only something someone studying/with a career in writing would notice and find issue with.
When I see someone making a 5-hour critique on something my immediate interpretation is "gosh this guy must be really sad that something he loves is going to shit". Cause anyone who commits so much time of their life into producing something, obviously has a passion for the IP.
A fine example is "The Quartering" who poops out 3-4
~10min. Rant vids about topic x with surface lvl effort a day.
I watched the dr. Who video because it has 5hrs run time.
I was just like "damn, jay has alot to say about dr. Who"
Lol people will spend hours every day sending tweets to people who won’t care but write one video script and everyone loses their mind
@@t4rv0r60 that’s just not who the quartering is... one person that I love their long format videos is Mauler.
yeah that's not what I initially thought, after watching it it's great but I understand the criticism towards the essay.
Yeah. I wanted to like it.
Decent actors, potential for new stories. Shit writing.
Oh well.
I no longer watch Dr Who.
And i've been watching it since the invention of colour TV.
John Pertwee, in case you are wondering.
I no longer care.
and for the record, i am a rainbow-haired SJW. So it ain't that.
its crazy how the same guys who attack that dude who apologized and called him a coward immediately block you for just responding to them
I'm not sure why, but "battle amongst yourselves, and I will agree with the survivors" was really funny to me. So thank you for that.
I read that "bottle amongst yourselves"
It was so good that I had to write it down in my notebook full of scripts so that I could use it later
“A book is too long! Why can’t it be put out in separate chapters”
Heh. Nice.
Long Book Bad
I bet it hates on women, ill go tweet about how bad the book is
Yeah, why didn't he edit the video? You're right
@@DeviantDork I can literally click on the video and already see _timestamped chapters_ which separate the video into many parts. I thought it was bad that you are making arguments against a video's content that you haven't watched, _but you haven't even clicked on the video._
I love that the majority of the "criticisms" of your video amount to "I didn't watch the video, but I know that it's bad and I'm right".
"Hey, so what's bad about it? :)"
"Blocked."
"Ok, so you made a 5 hour presentation about the problematic changes of the new Doctor Who, but the new Doctor Who is a woman, so you're sexist."
@@zoltanvarga3109 Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure Jay never really mentions her gender as a critique in the whole 5 hours.
@@HoHhoch It just proves how these people don't have the slightest bit of knowledge of what the video contains.
@@HoHhoch He does. Entirely in relation to how it's bullshit that the first female doctor is shown as less composed and charismatic, and more emotional than previous male doctors.
“This video is rife with misinformation and hate!”
Jay: Oh can you point out that misinformation? I’d be happy to correct it!
“Oh uhhhh….” *Blocks Jay*
Peak Twitter right there.
Basically the homestuck v Sarah Z legal threat in a nutshell too
Should there be courses on responsible Tweeting?
@@DrGandW There shouldn't _need_ to be, but I think if critical-thinking was more common, encouraged, and taught in a more thorough capacity throughout all levels of education, it'd go a long way in helping.
@@DrGandWmaybe just a general common sense course instead.
I love how everyone that hated your work just humiliated themselves and showed their immaturity.
I swear I don’t know how many times ive seen situations where it is exactly:
“this video is bad!”
“did you watch it?”
“no because its bad”
11:19 isn't it worrying that a journalist came to an incorrect conclusion on something, then spoke about it so confidently while admitting they haven't even researched the thing they're talking about?
Current journalism is like that now.
@@ZoddGuts Sad, but true
@@LJ101 plus its the guardian
I still can't forget the console review complaining it was bad because it had too many holes and could trigger people with a phobia of them.
it's worrying that people actually believe in journalists
"Apparently people aren't allowed to have favourite eras"
They say, while trying to shut down someone for having opinions on which eras they prefer. H m m
It's almost like what they mean is "why doesnt the popular opinion line up with mine"
It's a wierd take.
I mean... I'm *glad* there are people who enjoy this run. Hell. I'd be horrified if *no one* enjoyed it. But I'm not one of them.
13:15 Jay realizing mid sentence that he turned into Skeletor and just leaning into it absolutely destroyed me.
A Guardian journalist criticizing something they didn't watch. Shocking. I'm aghast.
This same Guardian journalist has today posted an article saying he thinks Dr Who should be cancelled.
You literally couldn't make it up.
@@Avatar1977 I guess he finally got around to watching the show.
gonna correct you there mate, his title is guardian urinalist..
“You should just accept that this is a show where the main character has random superpowers that fit the plot at anytime”
I’m confused, do these people actually even like the show
That sounds like a comedy show
At least half these people don't even watch the show.
If his powers were that convenient all my favourite characters wouldn’t have fuqing died 😔
They don't, but they don't want to admit it because that'd mean they'd have to admit to being wrong.
No. They just want to get mad at people for criticizing it because they think it's good because of politics, or something.
A wonderful sentence I saw on reddit once: "The greatest trick the devil ever played was making 'Doctor Who' shit at the same time that a woman was cast as the main character"
Edit:
I find it funny. That's all. Give me a doctor of any sex, class, colour, or creed; I'll be on board.
Ooh that's a good one! Well said! 😁👍
The 1st season of 12 wasn't great either. I suspect it's still going to suck with Jodie gone if Chibnail stays on.
Making good with a woman main actor so everyone likes it ⛔️. Making it bad with a woman main actor 🥰
At this point the writing is so bad I'm convinced Chibnall is sexist and wants to make sure Whittaker's doctor is so bad that there's never a female doctor again. It can't be this bad by accident.
@@tgoas3503 He's not, he's just that bad. I know it's a joke but it's pretty unfair to the guy to make the statement. Simple fact is, a lot of people working in the entertainment industry are not that talented. Hard to believe, I know, took me a whole week to internalize that fact, but Chibnall is just... not good at the job he has.
The thing I find wacky is that Timeless Child writes her out of even being the first female Doctor. They just didn't give her a break, anywhere.
Ah thats ok they already retconned that accomplishment with that other female time lady they had in the fugitive before she was stated to be the timeless child, so she already got dethroned before the reveal to soften the blow
It's 5 hours long because you felt it required 5 hours. Nothing wrong with that.
If it had been 10 minutes they would have claimed jay skipped over stuff.
If it was 1 hour they would have claimed he was cherry picking.
If it was 2 1/2 hours they would pick on its length anyway, and by now they aren't willing to watch it.
At 5 hours, he did a deep analysis of everything and they still didn't pay attention.
Can't win with those idiots.
I hear there is 10 minutes of footage that could have been cut, and wasn't because 5 hours is controversial, but 4 hours and 50 minutes is not.
@Tom Ffrench except jays video does not repeat itself that much it is 5 hours because they personally felt that was the amount of time they needed to properly dissect and discuss the seasons of the show
@Tom Ffrench Here is a challenge for you, download and edit the video and hit all the exact same points in an hour, making sure to keep all the context.
@Tom Ffrench So in one breath you say "No criticism needs to be 5 hours long. An hour maybe, but it’s needlessly long to be 5 hours." and in another you say " I haven’t seen Jay’s video". Oh fuck off.
Imagine the guy who said "not all nazis were racist" and that "if people were just more educated about the history of nazis then this scene would have been fine" being the guy who is accusing the other guy of being alt right. Hilarious.
It's a bit weird they mentioned the Indian legion was made of pow as a good point. Like "obviously an Indian man could be a respected part of the nazis and not face terrible repercussions for his race and being a traitor. Goodness they had an legion of kidnapped brown men working for them under the threat of torture and death silly" 😳
Not all Germans were racist in WW2 though
Nazi doesn't equal German
@@istvanbrooks5319 well unless someone sneakily edited their messages I dont think anybody here equated Germans with nazis. It's a silly mistake to make, anyway. We all know that most nazis nowadays are American.
@@4dragons632 sadly true, how times had changed
I'd like to point out if the nazi's """asked""" you to be a nazi, you didn't really have a choice in the matter as your family was under a gun to obey. Similar to how in China now there are large state sanctioned repurcussions for going against the ccp. So not all nazi's were rasist, particularly in the lower levels where they were literally doing so to not be killed.
cant believe they pulled "the nazis whern't racist, they had indian friends" card.
Yeah and Not even friends, they were soldiers. I don’t think Hitler ever liked the Indians he forced to fight for him lol.
Wait so people who spent 5 - 10 seconds reading the tittle and thumbnail of the 5 hour video essay has the right to confidently make dumb and condescending assumptions on said video but the person who made a 5 hour video essay on a series has no right to critic the show the essay is about?
Logic ordered on Wish
@@arroe8386 Mordo: "Yes we did. No price to pay? We broke our rules just like her. The Bill Comes Due."
Basically the - stop having opinions! crowd
Some genuinely can't grasp the difference between constructive criticism and hate. You said something critical about your favorite show? Hater, hater! It's exhausting
The same people that enjoyed the last jedi
That "I nodded but found myself liking the series anyway" response is something I f*ing love. Can we have more of that in everything???
ex-fucking-actly! there are plenty of shows, books, movies i LOVE that are (objectively speaking), poorly made, badly written, etc. i still love them, but i can fully understand and agree with a lot of critiques people have. it doesnt change my opinion of it, but i think understanding where people are coming from is really important
Ppl hate the idea of liking something that isn't well made cause they somehow tie liking that thing to their own self worth but its not deep like that.
I think one of the most important things Jay said (I don’t know if it was in the Doctor Who video) is that your enjoyment of bad things wouldn’t be diminished if it were actually good. Like, there are so many bits of media I love with plot holes and shitty quick characterization, but I wouldn’t love them less if there were no plot holes and fleshed out characters.
@@r00tan16 agree some of my fav movies are structurally bad by a view point of cinematography/pacing/scripts/active but l find are just so much fucking fun
ie
wild wild west
the league of extraordinary gentlemen
robocop remake
ect
and the best thing is l can handle if some one says they don't like it
@@LordAKiraAndou There's something to be said for a tv show/movie that is just fun, regardless of how well made it is.
Interesting comment about the Nazi section - Indians were considered to be in the sub-human class which was the same class as the Jews. Hitler did not believe that they were capable of governing themselves and was against any Nationalist movement started by Indians to fight the British.
So no, the article writer is incorrect. The Indian legion was simply using the anti-British sentiment in India to gain an additional fighting force for Germany in a different area of the world, it was NOT an act of respect.
The article writer wanted to sound clever but a quick web search will show you otherwise.
Yes exactly! Same idiots saying “LoOk It uP” didn’t bother to do actual research
Honestly 'there was indian nazis so this man is a nazi because he pointed out a dumb plot point regarding a skin color, and it's only because it's the skin color' is about what I'd expect of the type of arguments who'd resort to such tactics.
Hey remember in Schindler's List when the Nazis had a Jewish Police Service in the Ghetto ? I guess that means handing over Jews to the Nazis was no problem...you stupid article.
i wouldnt call myself an expert on the nazi's or anything but... the "they simply werent white supremicists" nearly made me fall out of my chair. where did this journalist get their history education? i really must know. TIK has a few good videos on their ideology and lists all his sources including some out of Hitlers own words.
@@MrEd8846 TIK is a terrible source. He has consistently demonstrated that he cannot distinguish between Capitalism and Communism as he views TH-cam censorship as Communist due to the private sector advertiser's control over TH-cam's content. TH-cam has an obligation to make money and do whatever makes themselves advertiser friendly, which of course TIK interprets as State-Run Communism because he can no longer say what he likes on their platform.
TIK in his recent Stalingrad Pavlov's House video has compared the Nazi occupation of Stalingrad in 1942 with the current day Greater Manchester Police and Scotland Yard's treatment of London. If you don't believe me, check out his youtube comments on that video, he's not even joking, he doubles down and triples down on the idea that Scotland Yard are actual Nazis and is withholding evidence of this because he's afraid of being "purged". TIK is a ideological zealot, the information you get from him is heavily biased.
I listened to the entire thing while working on a project of my own, and the backlash is completely ridiculous. You made what I consider to be very nuanced critiques and frankly I completely agree with the vast majority of it. It did in no way boil down to “woman bad!” People are just weird.
It's mostly due to a retarded modern view of feminism. Everybody wants to argue that just because something has woman in it or is made by a woman, it's automatically a bad thing and should never exist.
People just want boil points and nothing else.
If you don't know, Nerdrotic, Geeks and Gamers and his friends all argue that MCU is bad now because it is going to have women. Suddenly the fact that marvel and Kevin Feige bringing in more female characters into focus is bad only shows they don't care and just want to rake in on the grift.
Nerdrotic even made a twitter post where he argued with a tag post that it is very sexist to have female directors making superhero films, where the only thing that the tag post said that more female directors should make superhero films. Him saying that only proved that he is incapable of rational thinking. He even argued that shang chi bad because he got defeated by his sister in one scene. Later on, he defeated his father and dweller in darkness in the end.
Geeks and Gamers had made a video not criticising Matrix resurrections, but thinking how woke is it. Clearly that's the only thing possible to him. A movie is bad because it has trans allegory, not because it has problems in screenwriting and filmmaking aspects.
Humans are evolving....... but backwards.
Aha but you see, woman am bad! The mere choice that the lead role would be filled by a girl means that the media is terrible. The writing and decisions couldn't possibly factor into it at all.
@@highjumpstudios2384 @Ineffable Penguin watch Overlord from season 1 to 4, in last episode of the last season you will see a woman. Don't be scared, they exist. Take deep breath and realice what make you fear and trumble is that this woman is a good character. Not nececarely done good thing to please Jesus, but in all meaning is a "good character".
@@avanishdutta2658 I dont know about the others but nerdrotic watches the shows, does reviews and explains why its bad in discussions. Sounds like you dont watch any of his stuff because it isnt things are bad because women are in it.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 I used to watch Nerdrotic's Doctor Who videos. Though I disagreed with him on certain points, I didn't think he was actively a liar or insanely alt-right brainwashed like all the rest of the talking heads who pretend to be critics, and I also disliked series 11, so we agreed more than we disagreed. Then he made his It Takes You Away review where his conclusion was that the whole message of the episode was "white single fathers are bad" and then railed against it for that, a thing that is not remotely congruous with reality. Also having a disabled person be a major character is woke and that's bad. That was the last video of his I ever watched. My life has seen no significant downgrade now that I don't watch a miserable git who's friends with actual Nazis (because you have to be to be in the anti-woke critic space) and makes pretending to like nerd things and hating minorities their entire personality.
People are literally sharing a screenshot that includes a caption saying 'this took me 6 months' and saying "this is obviously just a rant". WHO WORKS ON A RANT FOR SIX MONTHS? THAT'S NOT HOW RANTING WORKS.
It's really unfair to call A deep analysis with actual effort put into it, as a mere 'rant'. It seems like people use the word to discredit what they dislike
Never met Donald Trump, huh?
Exactly, what you just commented is a rant. A short, quickly made opinion about something.
You don't HAVE to WORK on a rant. That's the beauty of it. No need for a script just get some flashcards with bullet points on them and away you go.
@@gentleseal1778 OK that is definitely not what a rant is, lol. “To speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way”, that’s basically the opposite of what you said
People on Twitter are mad that you actually produced an objective and well-informed critique which takes its time instead of crying your feels and half-knowledge into 280 characters.
Seems totally coherent.
No critique is objective. By definition it cannot be.
@@mytimetravellingdog It cites a huge amount of examples to illustrate each of its points, which I think is as close as you can get.
People on Twitter are always mad.
Objectively, characterisation in the new series is wildly inconsistent for the companions.
This is a critique, it is also objective. Not every criticism of creative works is subjective.
Twitter is just always like this. It's a cesspool of vengeful, vindictive hate rationalized through virtue signaling.
“Indian men can be Nazis if they want to” was not a take I was ready to hear😂😂😂
Of course there were different races allied with the Nazis, but that didnt really change Jay's point that Chibnall clearly was having The Doctor weaponize The Master's perceived race against them.
It's true tho. Skin color is irrelevant to who a person is. There's bad apples in every tree
I saw that 5 hour video essay pop up in my feed and thought "well, I'm definitely not watching that". But I didn't expect anyone to get so mad about it that they half-accidentally aligned themselves with Nazi ideologies. What a world we live in.
Well they ARE Aryans
Some people just can't (or don't want to) recognize the difference between a rant, a review, and an autopsy/analysis. The more problems something has, the longer it takes to break them all down and describe where, how and why it went off the rails.
I think this is the first time I've heard anyone arguing that the Nazis weren't THAT white supremacist. What the hell is this article talking about?
Now that I think about it, they did side with Japan. So now I'm confused. Why would they do that if they're racist? Maybe they just appreciated that Japan was also racist
@@theshire9173 No joke, the Nazi argument was that the Japanese were the Asian ubermench. Still pretty racist
They weren't, but were extreme German/Germanic Supremacists
Thing is, if my understanding of history is correct, that part of the article wasn't the problem. The racism of the Nazi's is not as cut and dry as is often assumed (please read; they were still incredibly racist); for instance, there were actually Nazi Jews. Based on my understanding of WW2, it is not inconceivable that a person of color rose to a position of military rank in the Nazi party... unfortunately the article then devolved into meaningless ad hoc strawman nonsense.
@@andrewbailey695 No that's not actually true. There were a lot of Jews that were members of the NSDAP who still got killed in the concentration camps, especially in the later stages when it was clear that the war was lost.
EDIT: and also, if your point is "The Nazis weren't actually that bad", WTF?! They literally killed MILLIONS of people.
Howdy...
I'm an aged, huge fan of Doctor Who. I grew up in an agrarian community in Virginia's, poverty stricken Appalachian country.
So, we had 3 channels available in 1974 here, and if I turned the 13" B&W TV'S rabbit ear antenna just right, I could pick up PBS. That brought Jon Pertwee's amazing Doctor into my life.
Later I would utterly fall in love with Tom Baker's Doctor. Doctor Who and Star Trek were my oasis of sanity in an extremely depressing and soul crushing world here. When your mother makes you a ketchup sandwich for your birthday because she grabbed a bunch of packets from a store when no one noticed, Doctor Who telling you that violence doesn't solve problems, becomes a balm for the pain.
My anger at what they did to a show that literally made me a better person, far exceeds your own. But, your 5 hour video was very well made, and thought out.
If it means anything, I applaud you and respect your views and opinions. Keep swinging and making videos. You're good at it. Take care... Rob / : )
People on the internet
have embarassed themselves by not
watching this Video here and then pretending
to totally know what it contains.
What sheer embarassment.
Never watched Stargate?
This is exceptional and I hope he sees your comment.
For reasons like your own, this is why I firmly believe that media (including grainy, B&W, 13" TV shows) can be so overwhelmingly influencial. And having your reason for being more-than-a-fan abandoned by the creative team feels personally insulting. Therefore, it's not, "change is bad" as the battle cry; but, "this affects me deeply and I don't believe that I can support its continued existence".
Unrelated but thank you for sharing that image of a ketchup sandwich made me very grateful for the things I had growing up.. bless you sir
@@matthewc9806 What about my comment though?
No answer for me?
I love the implications that Jay of all people would have a problem with a character that was previously perceived as male now presents as a woman. It takes a lot of not-doing-your-research to reach that conclusion.
Is Jay trans or is that just to see people react?
I mean they do have a Trans flag next to their Twitter name. Basically yes.
Same smooth-brained energy as those people who call YMS homophobic/alt-right. Why respond to the actual criticism when you can resort to cookie-cutter Ad hominem?
@@bigfanofsb653 And their second channel is called "Jay Exci, Empress of Milk"
@@sabrel4975 that sounds way more suggestive lol
From my experience on TH-cam with video essays, these guys going "Oh god it's 5 hours, it's just a bunch of hate filled bs, isn't it?" have it exactly the other way around.
Like, if someone's going to put in the time and effort to go through the process of scripting and editing down the script for 5 hours worth of video, spend countless days just recording the lines, find the right clips, edit those clips in while making sure they won't trip the copyright censors, and everything else that goes into such a huge project, it's not just going to be a rant. By the time anyone just finished recording everything, I'd imagine the anger would be so far past dead that they'd just feel like scrapping it entirely rather than continuing.
If someone just wanted to make a rant hating on a thing that people like complaining about for views, it's not going to be a 5 hour long video that's the result of a months long project. It'll probably be like a 20 minute video, maybe an hour if they _really_ push it. That doesn't take nearly the same commitment as a full hours long video essay would.
I've seen hour long videos about how the "global elite" aka Jews are taking over the world
Video length isn't a good indicator for quality in either direction
People love to make dismissive blanket statements instead of acknowledging the fact that someone made a valid criticism of their favorite media. I wish he'd just ignore the folks on Twitter. It's full of people who will complain over anything they like, because that little corner of the internet encourages people to get angry at trivial nonsense. Unfortunately this time, they came for Jay.
@@umamifan
Yeah, this is very true. I've seen people on Twitter complain over pretty much everything and anything.
That’s what I was thinking? Like what do you mean ‘5 hours means it’s going to be a rant’ what kind of rant lasts 5 hours without at least some proof regarding the claims they’re ranting over
@@ranglefandangles For that matter I don't think anyone can go into a rant 5 hours straight before running out of steam period
Imagine defending Nazis because you didn't like someone complaining about Doctor Who
But don't you see? Hitler had Indian friends - guess the author of that article overestimated your education, smh.
Twitter moment
A lot of people don't need an excuse for that though
Imagine not watching a TH-cam video, assuming it’s shit, *and then getting mad about it*
Most people are always going to be children no matter how many years they live. It’s a world of, by, and for children
@@TaddiestMason So I suppose the Warriors of… that word didn’t need to do anything, as their paradise was already created
sadly this is what people do about everything now. people think they are educated about the things they know nothing about, and they build opinions without any knowledge
Haters gonna hate
That's probably the stupidest thing you can do on the internet
"People aren't allowed to have favourite eras without sifting through all the hate"
You have one video before you get to the official Doctor Who TH-cam Channel love. You don't have to "sift" through anything.
Also that article that talks about the Indian WWII villains describes them as having been POWs. You know, PRISONERS of war? Meaning it's likely that they were tortured, broken down, etc? Did they read their own article?
clearly you missed the part where susan broke into their homes and held them at gunpoint until they watched all 5 hours of their video
@@flyingpiggles1034 I sure admit i dont know better
Doctor Who Coverage then Jay Exci...
...But i do wanna mention Critical Drinker and Hbomberguy. Let them be Honorable Mentions.
@@slevinchannel7589 You done making secondary accounts to praise your own terrible content soon, or?
@@thealgerian3285 I love how your cringeinducing comment full of negative assumptions about a total stranger online is sandwiched in my yt-notifications.
Sandwiched by another person reacting to the same nice Gift of Recommendations and they literally do not make an a-s out of themselves and get blocked, but instead they told me 3 minutesb efore your comment appreared to me: „Thank you for the recommendations! I really hope this leads to a lot of healing for a lot of people.“
@@slevinchannel7589 you said too much for someone who "don't know better"
After a year and a half, this video and the 5 hour essay still appear as some of the first results when you search Doctor Who on TH-cam.
In the words of Jay
pog
Almost 2 years and it's still there
"Having criticism is good. 5 hours of criticism sounds like a rant!"
So... is she indirectly calling out all those documentaries on Nazi's as rants, rather than valid criticism? Or about Women's suffrage? Or Slavery?
Are we now in the era of humanity where, "Anything long is bad, because I'm a lazy piece of crap and don't WANT to hear that I'm wrong" is a valid excuse?
Sometimes, you simply can't address a topic with sufficient nuance in a short clip. Sure there's presenters that pad out time with a lot of fluff, but that doesn't mean that long is always bad. It would be nice if things could be kept short, yes, but it's not always possible. By having a knee-jerk reaction to the discomfort of a long run time, there's the risk of missing out on important information.
"Slavery is GOOD! It gives inferior people a useful purpose!" -the CCP (the current potato in the White House agrees)
@@dakat5131 Exactly. People who want to shorten things will miss out on so much that cannot fit into it.
Yes. We have been conditioned to lack the ability to delay our own gratification. John Doyle type stuff. Big Doylism.
Pretty sure if you can't watch something in one sitting, there is always the option of taking a break and come back to it at any time. Even the most basic of things they cannot fathom anymore.
"And then he blocked me..."
Sounds like a natural Twitter response when trying to converse with another person whose opinion conflicts with yours.
Hell, I do that preemptively. Its bad to judge a book by its cover (or a bio by it's dog whistles), but I kinda just want to enjoy the internet, and generic-possum-avatar people tend to kick up a stink over even tiny things
"The implied misogyny of making a video on the only female Doctor Who"
You mean the video in which he spends most of it criticising the white male that made the show and praising the shit out of what I assume is the only episode where the lead writer is a woman and his main point of praise is that the female doctor is demonstrating strength against the male villain who is also demonstrating strength, showing that she's not going to be intimidated by his display of strength? He also spends most of the video criticising the fact that the female Doctor is shown to be too weak, both emotionally and charismatically throughout the series and said that he was more excited to hear that the female lead writer for that one episode becoming a core writer for the next season than he was when he was a child sitting inside an operable Dalek.
You don't need any more proof that these people resort to accusations of sexism without actually caring about whether or not it's sexist just as a way to dismiss something entirely without having to argue their stance or make any effort whatsoever.
@Quentin Goodman Well we can get it back, if we're all held to a standard
Jay also happens to be a trans woman herself, so there's that.
"If you have a different opinion to me then you are an ist/phobe" Seems to be their standard argument. It's not a very good one.
@@Leaddevo No, it's a tism
@@TOONYBOY Your just a tismist....
A video being hours long is a selling point to me. It signals to me "This person has put in a huge amount of effort and time to make something they feel some kind of passionate about and are sharing it with people." And I love that shit! I love hearing people who know a lot about a thing I know little or absolutely nothing about just go on about the topic for hours, whether that's positive or negative, or both. Not saying every hour long videos are like this, but most of them are I believe. You don't fill hours of video time with nonsense or unfounded hate, that's what twitter's for.
not to get political (legitimately speaking), but that's what always interests me about leftist youtubers on yt
they have these comically long videos about topics that may not interest me at first, but it's the sheer length of the videos that always catch my eye
he's not political really, but emplemon exemplifies what i'm talking about
@@The_Jazziest_Coffee Not to get political, but it is perceived a left-wing thing because right-wingers are usually grifters or genuinely fucking stupid.
'There's a suspicious amount of female characters in fiction.'
- Person naming only three unrelated shows or films.
"This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!!!"
Is all I can hear in my head.
'There's a suspicious amount of female characters in fiction.'
I'm glad someone else noticed that! What's with that anyway? I'm afraid I've started to notice this weird trend in real life too... Why are there so many women??? What's the meaning of that? Politically correctness will kill us all!
/s
Let's count all the males and compare ☠
I like how the guy meant it as women are taking a man's role as main character and says wonder woman. Woman is in her name. Do u think it's gonna be a man. Also what is wrong with women for main roles
What's next, "there's a suspicious amount of female characters in real life"
I honestly don't care who has an opinion but if they make a 5-hour well-edited video on that opinion, I will watch it.
This exactly! I don't care if I viemently disagree and will probably never have my opinion swayed on a given topic. If you put enough obvious care and effort into something, I'm going to watch it and hear you out because obviously you want people like me who don't agree to watch it. I want to encourage discourse, and hey, maybe I will be swayed. 5 hours can house a lot of arguments, and maybe there's one on there I haven't heard before and instantly convinces me to change my opinion.
Same
I watched that Sherlock vid...
I love watching Video Essays, even on things i don’t agree with. As long as the people are right in their criticism and not just making stuff up tho
yeah i honestly don't get where this "thing long bad" mindset came from. me first thought went to twitter and other forms of social media, even blogs, where they either don't give that room for long form essay or there's room for that but people are discouraged from making those types of posts bc the engagement is low anyway. sure there's a chance someone might just trail off and starts ranting only slightly coherent in long videos, but at that point it's easy to tune out. but any long form response/critique imo should be welcomed at first (i.e. not immediately dismissed) bc hey, the probability of the creator fully explain their reasoning and why they came to the conclusion they came to is pretty high.
Shit, me too
Yes it was a bit long, but you got to consider the source material is a show that's lasted for 50 FUCKING years. So 1 hour a decade isn't so hard to swallow. I watched the whole thing, was worth it, and it wasn't repetitive.
Seriously, it's one of the longest running tv shows of all time, 5 hours might not be long *enough*.
1:23 Typing that someone is miserable while crying cuz he made 5 h video on youtube...
Jesus fcking Christ
isnt it closer to 60 years?
@@squibble311 I think its 57 years cuz if I m not wrong 50th aniversary was in last moths of 2013
My last exposure to Doctor Who was as a child, with the 10th and 11th Doctor eras. I clicked out of curiosity and was amazed at the quality and depth of feedback. Five hours is, arguably, brisk for deconstruction of an entire season of televison with 22 50 minute episodes!
This is good faith, useful, well-considered critique that gave me excellent insight into the problems with the new season, and actually got me interested in checking out some more of the show! I felt like watching more of the old seasons, checking out some extended media! Stuff like this should be seen as an absolute gold mine for showmakers. It even had community polls! Real data! Fuck, I would kill to get that on *one* script I've done, never mind two full seasons!
Well said!
THANK YOU
The least people coulda done was appreciate how much work you put into the video
Heh, you’re here as well
It's one of the 4 horseman of YT comments
I mean, they aren't obligated to do so.
But that meant actually watching the video.
I've seen you all the way from MPMD to movie reviews
I genuinely don’t understand how people can so confidently complain about the content of a video they haven’t seen. To me, even when badly criticizing a TH-cam video for things like misogyny, or racism, or anything for that matter, the first logical step would be to WATCH THE VIDEO. These people are acting high and mighty for not liking a TH-cam video they haven’t watched yet and claiming baselessly they the video is arguing in bad faith. The worst part of all of this though is that I’m not surprised it’s happening. What has the world come to?
I definitely can’t fathom how people do that. I get anxious when I make a comment before I finish a video about literally anything because WhAt If ThEy TaLk AbOuT iT lAtEr?!?!? So the confidence some people have to just say what they think someone says without doing the smallest scrap of research by just watching the damn thing is just 😳😳😳
about all nonsense of mysogyny and racism youtube videos dont generally have them its just that most people see them where they are not there
My biggest surprise is that one of them (that Martin) was actually a journalist. You'd assume journalists of all people would understand how important it is to have ACTUALLY WATCHED THE SOURCE before saying anything huge about it. If I had to guess, their excuse was probably "not worth my time"-even though you can easily just skim through the first ten or twenty minutes to at least get the rundown.
Anyone whose first thought when seeing a video length of five hours is "Oh no, it will be rant" then...ok? But actually watch and look out for rant signs first?
TO be perfectly frank about your last question, this is not new behaviour that the World is suddenly experiencing. This is why things like Chernobyl occurred, not to mention the cover-up which followed it; and it predated the 1980s as well, by decades.
It begs a question, are they aware of how they're projecting Bad Faith rather than owning their own proverbial shit? Or are they oblivious to it?
@@milkjug4237 honestly it’s a shame what journalism has come to but half the problem is that the internet allows people with zero training or ethical standards to become “reporters,” and in order to keep up with their rapid fire trash reporting more legitimate sources have had to trade their careful researching for reactionary BS like this.
It’s like responses to his paradise pd (?) video - which were largely “everyone is entitled to an opinion so how dare you attack something I like” - not realising their very line of ‘reasoning’ invalidates their whole argument
Nah but you see when someone makes a video on TH-cam and other people watch it, they may agree with it and if the opinion they agree with is that the thing I like is bad, then that means they think I am bad so their opinion can't be true because I like it and I am not bad therefore my opinion is more valid than theirs and they can go fuck themselves and their freedom of thought because my freedom of thought is more important because I think therefore I am!
I... I think that's how that goes? It hurts trying to think through that kind of reasoning.
I'm a truck driver and I love listening to 5 hour videos as I drive across the country. It's a great way to pass the time. Thank you for making extra long videos, they are wonderfully entertaining and I will listen to every single minute of them!
The Indian Legion were POWs...
*PRISONERS* *OF* *WAR*
They probably weren't fighting along side the Villains of WW2 because they agreed with the Villains of WW2 article writer...
There's a fascinating story about some poor Korean dude who was found in German uniform on D-Day. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Kyoungjong
@@darrendm8037 there’s a whole movie inspired by it.
It wasn't Indian Pow's who were forced to fight for the nazi's. They recruited Indian pow's who didn't like Britain for whatever reasons ( probablly because they wanted to get the British out of India) and Indians who were living in Europe that didn't like the allies/fine with the nazis.
There were also Arab SS volunteers, ofc it’s not like this means they wouldn’t turn on them later. (Hell, I think they’d fight Italy later if they somehow woulda won or didn’t go to war over the city state of Danzig/Gdansk)
It's almost like Twitter is garbage and shouldn't be paid attention in the slightest
Opinions on Twitter? Definitely. Art on Twitter? Definitely not
@@Sky_Cloud ??
@@themyofmy I’m saying there are a lot of talented artists and really good art on Twitter
Edit: and that the art should be paid attention to
@@Sky_Cloud based
Almost ?
Seriously twitter, that wasn't a hate video. It was a patient and loving explanation to the show runners why they're not doing a good job. With loads of evidence, well reasoned critisims and a level headed tone throughout the whole thing. It was essentially a masterful essay. A work of art.
At no point did I feel enraged, just amused, and sad that something I like is being so neglected.
It was actually VERY USEFUL. And I seriously want to thank you here because I like to write for fun, bit found myself frustrated with my writing lately. Watching this video made me realize I was going down many of the paths he was describing, and how to avoid it in the future. Seriously, if someone put this as course material for a college on how to write for media, it would be well justified and very informative. I wish the creators of this show would watch this.
i mean, she was a li'l petty towards chibnall
but he's chibnall so
@@totallynotaferrettrue, but literally every hate comment I've seen levelled towards Jay was from people saying worse things than was ever said about Chibnall in the video
It just came across as some cheeky comedy about some of his shite writing. Meanwhile, people are calling Jay sad, having no personality, the video being unwatchable (despite not watching said video...)
Hell, even Jay pointed out anything he did like about the episodes! These people are so fragile they can't handle any amount of criticism levelled at a show, that I bet some of them haven't even watched themselves
I watched the whole 5h critique (with the speed increased to my preferred comfortable listening pace) fully planning to watch something else as soon as the video got boring, felt disingenuous, or otherwise not worth my time. I found the comparison of old and new Who very apt, and despite my ADHD I never clicked away. The haters are gonna hate, let them wallow in their ignorance.
Had the exact same experience! "I'll turn it off when I get bored, let's see..."
Held my attention the whole time, includes so many clips of the show! Jay could've made a separate video for every episode, ended up with way more hours of content, but no one would've cared.
_(I also have ADHD)_
I watched a 5 hour video essay on a show that I have never seen in my life. That’s how engaging, interesting and fascinating that 5 hour video essay was. I split it over a few days and I was so excited every time I went back to the video to continue. 👏
What I really hate about people defending the Chin-ball-ear because “it’s a woman so criticism must be misogyny” is that it feels like it’s an old man using a young talented woman as a shield to hide behind and honestly that feels more scummy.
Honestly, I feel a lot of the anti-union, using-your-enemies-colour-to-alert-the-Nazis messages would have sounded horrible had someone who looked like Capaldi delivered them. No one would have defended that.
It's the same bullshit as not being able to criticize Isreal for blatant humans rights abuses and apartheid without being accused of anti-semitism. Also all of the criticism for this area is directed at CHIBNALL, _not_ Jodie. I've seen so many comments on the DW subreddit in the line of 'I really like Jodie and it's a crying shame Chibnall writes such shit material for her, with a better writer she would rightfully shine'. If anything people are mad the first female doctor is wasted.
God I really hate the weaponizing of identities in discourse. I know there are lots of reactionaries who will undermine people’s opinions because of it and all, but goddamn. It feels like it’s used unbelievably cynically sometimes
@@pogo8050 That's because it is being used unbelievably cynically.
Exactly. It's "misogynist" and apparently bigoted to criticize Chibnall and his terrible writing?
How very convenient for terrible writers.
The fact it's a woman character makes it worse in my opinion, not better. We needed a well written female doctor more than ever right now, and I can't believe they let Chris Chibnall have it and ruin it like they did. 😠
21:07 - you know my brain kept trying to distract me with that "Am I gay?" quiz but you just nonchalantly and without missing a beat giving it attention in the way that you did broke me a little. thank you
That quiz is everywhere lol
Man, Hbomb just uploads multiple hour long videos about things I've never heard and I watch them. SO 5 hours of doctor who? I was sold and enjoyed it. It's a good video and this one too. Tahnks.
tbh, the whole "you're just hating on these seasons because the doctor is a woman in them"-thing is so dumb because...yeah, let's talk about the fact that she's a woman. Let's talk about the fact that the writers failed to give the first female doctor a personality as distinct as that of other doctors. Let's talk about how they made her scared and nervous about things that the doctor wouldn't have been afraid or worried about as a man. Or how she's been reduced to some ethical role model. These are all examples of annoying treatment that many female characters get and your video helped me put a finger on that after it had already been bothering for a while but I couldn't quite define it.
All made by men too. It's unforgivable.
You….you should make a video about it. I’d watch it. Thems good points.
@@moonstruck6591 I feel like this is bait. Is this bait? Literally nobody was talking about this. What is this comment?
@@DarylStreete I thought it blended in well with his comment talking about how Jay is a woman and being called misogynist. The only reason that really needs to be said is because Jay herself isn't actually making the point of "These people are calling me misogynist despite the fact that I'm a woman". I assume that this is because Jay doesn't want to call attention to the fact ( and also maybe because being a woman doesn't make you unable to be misogynist, just highly unlikely), though in this case I think it'd actually just make sense for her to make this point in this video.
@@moonstruck6591 the referent of the initial "she" expletive seems to be the Doctor, not Jay. I think that's why Daryl and I were confused.
They would have to be quite disconnected from reality if they can say "God, you must be a sad miserable loser to make a 5 hour hate video" and honestly believe that they have to beat someone down whom they perceive as sad and emotionally fragile, and in all honesty think best course of action is to bully them into submission. Doesn't matter if the targed isn't ACTUALLY sad and emotionally fragile, fact is: These people BELIEVE that the targed is sad and emotionally fragile, and still beat down on him. With other ACTUALLY depressed and emotionally fragile people this can lead to suicide.
Here's the truth: they don't think their target is sad or emotionally fragile. They want to make their target sad and emotionally fragile, and believe that if they accuse them of being these things it will happen.
Yep.
Better to use they/them when unsure. In this case, you somewhat missed the mark.
@@ziwuri I don't understand what you mean.
@@oddtomato1049 You know what, it's whatever. You technically weren't even wrong in the first place.
imagine living rent-free in these peoples heads and they haven't even watched your video.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so annoying honestly
Some of their points were disproved within the first five minutes of the video. Like the journalist who said that Jay must just not have much experience with Doctor Who. What an absolute embarrassment. How do you get to that level in your career and still make mistakes that a first year journalism student wouldn’t make?
The fact the 5 hour video and this one are still the first things that pop up when you search Dr.Who makes me so happy.
'Implied misogyny' huh? It seems like that person is saying that whenever misogyny COULD be a motivating factor, that we should always assume it to be the case. That is literally the definition of acting in bad faith.
Jay: Nazis were racist. This is bad.
People: omg why are you being racist?
Are you freaking serious? I WONT watch a 5 hour documentary about Nazis being bad, like stop hating their creativity
@@thetownfool-t5e they were very creative in coming up with ways to brutally and slowly kill people that’s for sure.
@@thetownfool-t5e Creativity in what?
@@brucehubbard1487………😐😐😐
Did you not see my sassy response to his remark?
Yet another episode of twitter not knowing what fascism is, and not realizing that it's what they actually want.
There's a much simpler argument about the Nazi episode you could've said:
If the Nazis were fine with him being Indian and it wasn't a Problem, why would he need to use the Perception Filter in the First Place?
People on the internet
have embarassed themselves by not
watching this Video here and then pretending
to totally know what it contains.
What sheer embarassment.
To hide the beard, Nazis hated beards, they only liked tiny moustaches.
@@jonagreen7323 And it’s a black beard
@@jonagreen7323 I know this is a joke but it's hilarious imagery that the master decided that it will be easier to use clarketech to manipulate the collective consciousness of everyone around him to see him as Aryan, as opposed to just shaving
@@iiiivvvv9986 it took him a few weeks to grow that, he didn't want to lose his progress 😂
Martin Belam - "Why would someone waste their time making or watching a 5 hour video about a TV-show"
Also Martin Belam - *wastes hours complaining about a 5 hour video that he hasn't even watched*
Jay: Nazis are bad
Them: Actually, Nazis aren't as bad as you thought
Conclusion: Jay is probably a right-wing extremist
Yeah. I'm gonna need some time digesting that one
It stems from 2 misunderstandings by the writer:
1. He thinks criticizing the Chibnall era is wrong because it has a woman lead therefore criticism is born out of a hatred of the lead, rather than... everything else. He feels that other eras were skipped receiving the same criticism because the mains were men rather than the whole part where you can't criticize the writing of a showrunner by criticizing other showrunners and the video is 5 hours long already how many days do you think it would take to go through the entire Doctor Who canon for fuck's sake?
2. He thinks that because some Indians were on the Nazi side in WWII it means that Nazis were fine with Indians, would love and protect them and not put them into concentration camps, kill them or otherwise torture them as potential spies if found wearing their army's uniform.
Quote:
"It also seems that there is some inspiration from the extreme right-wing influencers, like the misguided “Indian man and Nazis” point, and the misogyny that is implied in singling out the series that have had a female actor playing the Doctor."
Let’s not mention the fact that the Master literally says his been stuck in concentration camps and prisons for 40 years.
Least I’m pretty sure he says something like that
Fucking twitter moment.
Don't try to understand SJWs... just punch them until they stop moving. Trust me, it's very therapeutic!
I've never seen Doctor Who before, but I clicked on it out of curiosity. I didn't see how long it was. I watched the whole thing in one go and barely noticed the time fly. Jay should be proud. He single handedly convinced me to watch it... As soon as he watches the Lord of the Rings. Do it, Jay.
@@ziwuri
You realise "He" is literally one of the pronouns right? Which is what was used? Also I'm almost certain those pronouns in itself is a joke because he doesn't care what he's referred to as. You pointing it out on all these comments means the joke went right over your head and you're doing the very opposite of its intention. Stop bringing it up.
@@ziwuri I'm not sure i've seen anyone with pronouns laid out in order like that in terms of preference. Not saying people don't do it, I totally could believe that.
Just saying me and other people I know just have it as more of a listing of pronouns rather then a best to worst.
@@ziwuri Again I could totally understand that, and either way I always make sure to call anyone what their preferred pronoun is if they have one. I just think it's worth remember the slash simply means and/or, so most likely people are saying exactly that in terms of their pronouns, not specifically listing them in order. Still, you at least pointed the possibility out, and I think that's worth keeping in mind as well, so in the future I might also try to keep it in mind as a possibility. Just know that not everyone specifically does this, infact I know many who have pronouns they prefer just sort of set randomly.
@@ziwuri And I totally get that, a lot of thoughts we formed can often be carried by our own biases and what not. I absolutely wasn't here to put down you for what you said or nothing if there's anyone thinking that, because I totally can understand that, and tbh anyone who would use pronouns you're uncomfortable with are probably assholes. I just think, while okay to make it known what pronouns prefer, we should also remember that it's not really us who says who someone's preferred pronouns are in specifics, we can't speak for others after all, which I think you already understand anyways given you said so, and that requires a level o maturity I think more people could have.
@@ziwuri Cringed so hard reading this
Viewer: I don't like your opinion
Jay: Why is this, I would like to know?
*Blocked*
Discussions in the internet :D
Dude this is the biggest problem today IMO, people have seagull conversations. They fly by, shit all over the place and zoom away refusing to actually talk about everything they just said..
@@lore_shards "Seagull conversations" - nicking that one. Ta.
@@Cavan_ R and D my friend (rip off and duplicate) =)
@@lore_shards Permission to use this analogy as an insult.
@@gamingrex2930 lol if you want to. But insulting someone will rarely change their mind
Almost like twitter is a website designed for people who's core personality trait is outrage (sometimes their only personality trait), and them actually watching the video would not let them express their only sense of self.
This is why I'm on Tumblr
I find it funny and mildly annoying that there seems to be an unspoken assumption that the person making this was a sexist cishet man, when it's actually an openly liberal trans woman
Big corporations aren't stupid. They don't give two shits about diversity and inclusion, they embrace it because it's very convenient for them when voices critical of their sub-standard product can be immediately written of as cishet, conservative, patriarchal bigots and ignored. They like the fanbase dividing along political lines.
I don't think they're liberal
@@HamidKarzai Considering they're not American, I don't think they're liberal party alligned either.
I had no idea Jay was a trans woman, thanks for letting me know!
Aren't they non-binary?
Hey there! WW2 History geek here.
Let's talk about why that Indian man would absolutely have been executed by the Nazis in that scene, shall we?
So, first of all, there are two insignias that can be referenced from the man's uniform. The show correctly identified him as part of the Waffen-SS from both the shoulder insignia and the insignia on the hat. Let me first talk about the shoulder.
What he has there signifies him of a rank of CO or above. More specifically, what I believe to be an Oberführer which is in rank equivalent to a Colonel. I'm making the decision to assume that he is an Oberführer due to the fact that there is no time where you are able to view the collar insignia to determine it, but due to it seeming as though he's in charge of the local Waffen-SS militants, one can easily make such an assumption.
In the video, there was mention of the Indian Legion. This is extremely important considering not only the views of the SS and to an extent, the Waffen-SS, but the Nazi High Command all on the views on Indians. They were considered "pathetic", with Adolf Hitler once being on record to state that "...The Indian Legion are a joke." They were not permitted to mix with any German militaries nor allowed to fight in any front other than India and overall were completely segregated from the entirety of the German Military. These of course changed near the latter parts of the war - although - it was during these latter parts whence they joined the Waffen-SS.
The Indian Man holds the insignia of the SS-Totenkopfverbände, or in English Terms, SS Death's Head. This division was known for its brutality, sheer disregard for human life other than German and disgust for foreign nations that were deemed to be lesser. They committed atrocities across the entirety of Europe and were in charge of some of the concentration camps and committed countless war crimes.
Now, imagine these soldiers seeing that not only has their colonel been shown to be a traitor - but is an Indian. And now consider the views of German High Command on Indians and especially the views of the SS-Totenkopfverbände.
He wouldn't live.
Thanks for reading lmfao
That's a yike
It's easy to understand even without this historical knowledge. It should be known to masses that Nazi wanted to create "perfect race" (thus breeding facilities and sometimes stealing kids of the perfect image) and this soldier wasn't even white... And this is without considering that he have skull on hat...
@@ladrok97 Nazis wanted to create the perfect race, of course, the Aryans - blue eyes, blonde hair, perfect skull structure as seen in Eugenics etc. However - it should be stated that they weren't *against* utilizing individuals from different ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. For one, there was the Ost battalions utilized on the beaches of Normandy in Operation Overlord, especially at, iirc, Juno and Sword beaches which were primarily comprised of Soviet prisoners. Russians were considered inferior, but their use of such "inferior" forces demonstrates that they weren't against using "lesser" people.
I can understand what you mean, such a person in that power being shown to not exactly be who they believe will obviously spark some resentment and anger within the SS forces there, my goal was to sort of demonstrate just how *screwed* over he was due to that field being disabled
@@spiderweb1212 Like the daleks. It's kind of obvious that daleks are Nazis, but it's not only the very obvious stuff. It includes the daleks working with "allies" that they clearly have no respect for, and having people who postpone their destruction by agreeing to work for the daleks, or people the daleks force to work for them, either as labor or soldiers. The daleks also very often proclaim that they do not have to honor promises made to inferior races.
Very good, ten points to Ravenclaw and the costuming department.
13:31 "Black characters don't need to have good writing you bigot"
There is no hope in humanity
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Is that not supposed to be a joke?
@@eddiecoolbeans6901 Poe's Law in action.
When I’m analyzing pop culture, your 5-hour vid is one of a handful I revisit to make sure my own analysis is clear, comprehensive, and logical. Thank you for your meticulous work! You are an inspiration.
Also to steal onion jokes.
The random Skeletor voice sounds just as surprising to Jay as it was to the rest of us…
I was so confused when i found this out;
I mean, sure, general backlash? I expected that.
But 'Length-Backlash'?! I legit didnt knew that was a Thing.
Since when is Length equal to bad Quality?!
I literally always connected it with 'Effort', which of course
is a part of Good Quality.
I mean, regardless of the Content (which in this case, was epic;
evidend by how many people watched it all),
this is a good thing?
Long Video = Positive, yes?????
?
Anyway: Such people as calling someone Hater
or even Woman-Hater for LITERAL NO REASON
are an EMBARASSMENT.
I have no better words; sorry for being harsh;
but most of these comments are outright Laughable.
“And then they blocked me” I literally died every single time you said that omg 😂
You must be very dead then ;)
twitter people when they dont have a comeback always resort to blocking
It’s amazing how much worse the insults hurled at Jay are than anything she said about Doctor Who. “The characterization is superficial at best and contradictory at worst” vs “you’re a shit person who wastes time that could be spent on creative endeavors.”
It's twitter. They only know is hate
Welcome to toxic positivity
In fairness Jay had some amazingly sick burns, like the Timeless Child episode being "written by Chris Chibnall... presumably with crayons".
She? It's been a while since I've seen one of Jay's videos, was that a typo or are they transgender?
@@somedudewatchintv5297 they’re trans, but she’s been more public about it on Twitter than youtube
honestly, i will probably watch that five hour video again and again. it's not only a fun and interesting watch, but it's also a masterclass in what to do and what not to do when writing characters, and as a writer i learnt a lot. thanks for making it!
The point was already talked down but I find it just laughable that this dude really tried to argue, because the nazis had a singular legion of LITERAL PRISONERS OF WAR (POWs being a fancy term for war slaves), that the nazis would have just overlooked his skin color or even accepted Indians is just insane.
Prisoners of War are captured combatants, not slaves. Also Penal Battalions were a common practice as both the Nazis and Soviets used them, even on the front lines.
the amount of people who reduce your criticism to 'they must secretly hate the series because Woman Doctor' kind of feels misogynist in its own way to me. like these people think the only noteworthy thing about the new series is Woman Doctor and the only thing that matters about the new doctors personality is Woman Doctor.
Any time someone assumes you only hate a series because a character in it's a minority even if your criticism and dislike of it has nothing to do with minorities is usually projecting.
I have only ever watched 3 Doctor Who episodes and i still watched the whole 5 hour video
It was good, and i decided that im going to watch the whole show right now because my life is boring
Thanks!
Heck, I never saw a single episode and watched the 5-hour video.
@@darklord884 Same. I don't GAF about Dr. Who... I mean I don't dislike it, I have friends who are into it, but I've never heard anything that made me go, "I have to see this!" But I am interested in fandoms in general, so I'll watch a review video about a specific subject I may not be specifically interested in.
Ooh I'm excited which 3 episodes?
Was one "Blink'?
@@josephkerrigan733 i don't remeber
I just know that all 3 of them were with the 11th doctor and i watched a few more episodes for like a few minutes so i didn't count them
@@kristofer530 Oh fair enough. "Blink" despite only containing about 5 minutes of the doctor on screen is considered a starter episode that if you don't like you probably won't enjoy the series.
It was back when David Tennant was the doctor. I'd recommend it but if you're pretty sure the show isn't for you then fair enough. 😃
I'm an engineer but I TOTALLY relate with the "working on a project for 4 months longer than you wanted to" thing! Cracked me up!
I listened to your 5 hour rant all week and I thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm glad you did it.
Lemme tell you: Madvocate did the same thing for The Flash
and Hbomberguy did it for both Sherlock and RWBY,
if not even his entire channel being the same concept.
So yeah, constructive Criticms gets more popular, that’s for sure, but let’s support it more by liking said videos and it’s comments and recommending fans of one of them the others, just like i do now (random as it may be).