This is why I got screwed over on the 7800x3d. I was like oh it’s 330 I’ll get it next week. Then it jumped to 470 then 569, and now 700. I’ll just get the 9800x3d long as it’s not 700 or I’m selling my am5 board and going Intel
Even if you have the cash, do you want to upgrade in this sort of economy when milk and eggs cost this much? ......... Yeah you're still going to upgrade, just tell the wife and kids to survive off ramen for a few weeks.
Yup and hence why I can not remember the last time I upgraded. I never upgrade CPUs. Perhaps storage or more memory is the only thing I have upgraded in the past. Once a system is so old that it does not function I usually build a new system altogether
@@remsterx AMD prices only went up because Intel completely bombed 13th 14th and 15th generations back to back to back. Intel is soon going to realize they can't overcharge for an inferior product unlike Nvidia who CAN overcharge because their product is superior.
After 35 years of playing with computers I don't think I'm going to upgrade anymore, the economy has priced everything out and my wages haven't increased since 2020. On top of that the games aren't good anymore and I'm getting old and just don't have infinite patience to invest in them anymore. I'm thinking about unplugging completely and buying a motorcycle and spending the rest of my days outside.
"Should I upgrade" is really nothing but a comparison between "What do you actually do with your PC" versus "Epeen Reasons". - If you spend 95% of your time playing Indie Steam games, watching TH-cam, and checking email... You don't need half of what you think you do. - If your stuff is old, but it still does everything fine "As far as you can tell"... Let it go. You're fine for now. Wait for the deals.
Agree with the OP. For me, I have a 9900K and a 3080Ti. I can do most of what I want but there are two games that I really want to play and can't. I tried to push through one at 40 fps by turning a bunch of things off but I had to stop. Thing is, I don't want a 4090 to upgrade so I'm waiting for the 50 series and then likely going with AMD CPU.
Always wanted a high end gaming computer when i was young and all I could afford was second hand bits slapped together. Now that I'm old and boring with disposable income decided to build something grunty. After not having a pc in over a decade it turns out i pretty much only want to occasionally play games that would run on a potato and watch TH-cam. now i have a very expensive overbuilt to hell and back custom water cooled media player basically but at least its silent i suppose. lesson learnt when your older and half blind you dont need 4k to play the odd game,
My golden rule is whatever part I'm upgrading must be at least a 25% improvement in performance/capacity for a similar price to the original part. I've followed your budget builds and managed to upgrade my entire PC for about $1000 while improving performance by at least 50%. New case plus fans ($125), CPU i7-9700 to 12700K ($225), Z790 MOBA ($200), RX 6600 XT to RX 7700 XT with two Steam codes ($350), extra 16 GB RAM ($75), extra 1TB SSD ($75), 450 W to 750 W PSU ($125, purchased in advance). Thanks for all of the great build videos!
My golden rule(s) as someone who wasted way too much cash in his life for pc upgrades? Only upgrade when you really need to, not when you just want to. Buy new stuff if you actually need the performance or the technical advancements/benefits/improvements right now. Don't upgrade because you like shiny new stuff, don't upgrade because "it could be useful at some point" - upgrade when you need it. Upgrade when something isn't performing the way you need it to. In pc hardware, nothing is particular "future-proof" and - all scalpers, pandemics and so on aside - prices usually go down, sometimes rather quick. You just waste money if you upgrade too early, even if you buy on sale. And rule 2: don't go all the way to the highest high-end or the lowest low-end. Both variants are usually not worth your money. With the former you often pay 30% more for 15% more performance, with the latter you probably have to replace that part much earlier than if you had spent 10% more.
This has been a BRILLIANT video. I'm very experienced at building my own system for decades... but... I don't know all the tech savvy terms and meanings. So when you explained the issues with upgrading Drives and taking lane spots - BANG - it was like a new paradigm was discovered. Same with all the power supply and requirements, and especially the Motherboard.... I just build a system with 'guesstimating' based on what didn't blow up in the past and was proven. I currently have a SFF build with ROG Strix X570-I gaming MB, Ryzen 9 5950X, WD SN850X 2TB Gen 4 NVMe, 64GB Corsair Veng RAM, Zotac RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC GPU, SX650G PSU, all water-cooled in a HYTE Revolt 3 ITX case... all attached to a Dell 32 4K G3223Q UHD Gaming Monitor. So with the AMD 5 series and X3D CPUs as well as the RTX 5 series on the horizon, was wondering if I needed to upgrade... I mainly play Skyrim in 4K, mod and stream... Your video made it clear I do NOT need to upgrade and I am VERY grateful to have watched it.... only thing I do NOT like in my setup is the Motherboard as I can't get sound and only 1x M.2 drive is recognised. Thanks very much :)
13:45 the golden rule here is: check your motherboard manual, if it says adding an extra drive will steal bandwidth from your GPU then upgrade to a bigger drive and use the old one as external, otherwise add an extra drive.
The RX5700 landed on the minimum specs. This is just sad. And went unexpectedly very quick. Let’s see how long my new RX7990 XTX is going to last. I hope more than 5 years for „up-to-date“ gaming. 😅
I personally upgrade every 5 or 6 years. No need to figure out whether I need an upgrade or not because I just build a whole new pc after skipping a few generations. The pc runs games OK, but I like having a pc that's no slouch. Plus picking parts and putting it all together is its own reward.
1:55 This felt like a direct callout at me, lol. My 5950X and 6800XT are still going strong. I recently upgraded my primary "monitor" to a 42-inch LG C4 instead of upgrading the computer itself. Consider your setup friends 😃
i still cant get my head around whoever has specs like that and thinks they need to upgrade. who needs 4k 300 FPS? i spend way too much time in front of my PC, studying, free time, watching movies or videos with my GF, etc. and still i would have a thousand different ways to better use my money. there are always a few specific circumstances ppl have when it makes sense, but i'd argue most ppl who do such unnecessary upgrades lost the grasp on what money can do a bit.
I just updated my 3700X to a 5700X3D with a Lian Li cooler to prolong the life of my current system, since it hasn't had any issues. My golden rule is to always wait around 6 months after a series releases and see how it performs before committing to a full build. I don't have time to be a free beta tester.
this. also prices drop when everyone is upgrading, both on the new and the used market. 99% of times the 2nd/3rd newest gen mid-high tier models of both GPU and CPU will run every game on 1440p or even 4k to a point where u wont notice the difference, but u spend like half the price for 10-20% less performance. that every 2-4 years is so much more efficient than buying the top model every 4-6 years. imagine buying a 3090 on release for 1500 bucks when u could have gotten a 2080 for much cheaper at that time, now upgrade to a 4070 super or AMD euqivalent and still and still have spent less money than the guy who bought the 3090. and thats not even considering the used market.
I’m still rocking my 3700x with…4090😮. Does just fine for now but I don’t play a wide variety of games. However, using Lightroom & Photoshop it dogs out.
@@TXFella i mean im running a 3600 with a 4070, so i should be the last person to say this, but it sounds so wild running a GPU thats like 15x as expensive as ur CPU xD
@@privatjetconnaisseur incremental upgrades. MW3 at 1440p, max settings still nets 250 fps. I see no reason to spend another $500 to upgrade to a better AM4 at this time.
good stuff Jay. I'm one of your very first viewer, have been watching your videos for years, and learned a lot. I used to be ridiculously into DIY/custom PC builds, and I always overbuild my PCs for over 15 years. After the COVID time, the one most important thing I realized is just as you say in this videos, many things in my builds just don't need an upgrade. my corsair psu works fine after 10 years, my 1080ti always delivered, still 120hz monitor 2k can last me for couple more years till everything is 4k. I now lost the desire or passion to upgrade my pc, not only that these parts still kickass for most daily tasks, but it could also provide me good results at work. I just don't think a 30% performance lift worth another 1000 bucks. I still remember the day 1080ti was lunched and I ordered 2 for sli, just cuz its crazy at that time and this cards worth every penny, nowadays looking at the price tags of the rtx 40s just makes me sad.
Interesting! I have the same CPU and have been thinking of getting a 5950x3d since it's the best possible am4 CPU at the moment. Any idea of the fps increase you got? And what gpu do you have now?
Same. When i upgraded to 3800x i saw like 1-3fps increase, but for some reason gaming felt like fps is doubled. People told me thats IPC improvement (i think its called IPC).
@@pmstuff8420 the best gaming cpu on am4 is the 5800x3d however that is hard to find, the 5700x3d is nearly as fast and more available and much cheaper than the 5800x3d anyway
This past year, I DOWNGRADED to a 7940HS based tiny PC, and I love it. However, I do have a bit of a different use case. I'm a trucker, and I'm limited to 1080p/60 on my TV. The tiny PC is running Linux, and most of my gaming is through Steam. Most of the Steam games run just fine under Linux. (Think Steam Deck v1.5.) However, I do still have my gaming PC on board, which is an all-AMD AM4 SFF system. The big difference for me is with power draw. On the tiny PC, I can let the computer stay on all night, downloading via the slow truck stop WiFi without draining the truck battery. The AM4 system, however, can go only 5-6 hours doing a download before the low voltage alarm goes off, so I need to idle. (Not a problem during the summer when I need the A/C, but it is the rest of the year.) TL/DR: Only you can determine if what you have now is "good enough".
I'm always surprised how many fellow truckers I see in the gaming/pc enthusiast world. I just drive local so I don't need a mobile setup but some of the ones I've seen are pretty cool. Curious if you could add a deep cycle battery and some sort of BMS like the overlanders use? If you are owner op that is.
I built a similar PC on for my father's rig. He is a owner/operator and while he doesn't game he watches a lot of movies. So I built him a all solid state build with as many of the largest SSD's I could get my hands on at the time. This way when he is parked at home he can access everything by the home network to swap movie loads and otherwise remain independent of the truck stop Wifi or the signal issues he experienced while in mountainous areas.
You should consider getting something like an ecoflow power station. Charge it while the engine's running and then have all the power you need otherwise.
@@pootispiker2866 The problem with that is space is at a absolute premium. So on top of having a PC case you now also have the power bank to stash, secure, and wire up. It's not something many rigs would be able to carry without sacrificing space for something else like a Microwave, food, water, or spare clothes.
Cheeping out components will not only make you disappointed but you will also need to replace or upgrade them sooner. in the long run you earn money getting the high end stuff right away. my old gaming PC (FX8350 32GB)died 9 years old from motherboard warping, the smaller upgrade to a 6700K made from various stuff I had around I used for 1 year because it was old to begin and MS is stupid I had to upgrade again to Ryzen 5800X. my production PC is over 10 years now and the same as I built it with the 4790K 16GB. My rule is that I am better off happy for a longer time than cheap out for the sake of it. expensive as it comes you do get more joy in the end if you can afford it
My golden rule has always been that I will never spend more on a motherboard than what I spend on a CPU. Until recently, that is. With the most recent CPU upgrade, I got a MB that was about $80 more. I could argue that MB pricing is really high right now and that I care about having passive cooling on every spot that needs it. Those are legitimate reasons. However, I just really liked the look of the motherboard. An X670 MB is probably more than what I need for a R5 7600, if truth be told. But, it leaves room for any upgrades that I might want to do in the future. My rule for when to upgrade has always been two things: "Can I afford to upgrade?" and "Is it better to just build a new computer and re-purpose/give away the current one?"
I used to just wait until my computer just wasn’t running games at high enough detail and resolution then I’d upgrade whatever needed it. Now I keep building new systems because I enjoy doing it. My midrange machines, which are some of my favorite builds, are still able to satisfy all my gaming needs pretty easily. However I still like high end hardware so I have high end rigs as well. My buddy literally upgraded to a 4070 last summer from his 1080 to play Diablo IV. The funny thing is he’s still using a trio of 1080p/60Hz monitors which he’s had for at least a decade and likely won’t replace them til one of them dies.
i was on a trio of 1080p/60hz monitors as well until just a week ago. oldest of the 3 was from 2010. upgraded the center monitor to a dell g2724d and it's amazing. i still feel bad about not using the old monitor though...
@@xyzzy64 was on a tight budget and got a nice deal on a refurbished 144Hz 1080p for under 150 bucks to put my 60hz 1080p as my 2nd monitor. upgraded this year from a 970 to a 4070 since i got that for less than 500, but how do i go to 1440p now? selling the refurbished one is awkward, 60 hz 1080p is perfect for 2nd monitor anyway, but i also dont want a third xD i think i just wait til one of them dies and maybe OLED has reasonable pricing. im not willing to pay triple just for going from IPS to OLED which might also have problems selling in a couple years.
Upgraded my 850w Antec powersupply because was bought 2014 and semi modular. Still works and is powering a zen 2 Ryzen 9 3900x RTX4060 computer. Recent up grade to Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900x with a B Quiet 850w PSU fully modular with the new 600w power connector for my GTX 3070Super. I'm 70 yrs old and this may be my last major upgrade for what I do with my computer.
Same but I'd also also add on the native res of my monitor
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i been playing my fav games at the lowest settings to get stable 30 fps now i built my new pc i can play 1440p and 4k at ultra settings with ray tracing without any fsr
Black myth wukong and Star Wars outlaw is hitting my supposed high end 3080ti and 7950x3d HARD at 1440p. It’s hard to stay at 60+ with ray tracing on. God help anyone reading this who has 4k
@@timothygibney159just turn off the ray tracing then. It's a luxury feature and you no longer have a luxury card. I'm on a 4080 and have been turning off ray tracing periodically in jedi survivor when it starts getting juddery. It's amazing technology but in the heat of the action the very definition of a luxury feature.
I have few rules: 1. I stay about one generation behind things so that most of the bugs have time to be discovered. 2. I upgrade progressively. 3. Wait for the big sales seasons
no need to upgrade. the security of the spare money will make most ppl more happy than FPS they dont need. was running with a 3600 and 970 until earlier this year and if it wasnt for baldurs gate i'd still be rocking that. i even played GTA 5 on an FX 6300 with a 750 back in 2018 and had no performance issues. also im still running the same pc with that 3600, just upgraded the GPU.
I'm poor (like disabled living on less than a $1,000/mo level of poor), so I upgrade what I can when I can find a way to afford it...still pushing my 3600 and 1650 Super for now.
Same boat here, but a 5600x and a 2070. It really is starting to feel like I will never be able to get another gpu ever again or even ever move to another platform. My last splurge was finally getting an nvme for my gaming pc a couple months ago. haha even my case is 12 or 13 years old XD same with psu
Lately I've been upgrading my life. Earlier this year I bought my very first brand new car. I'm 58. Then I upgraded my house by having a ducted reverse cycle air-conditioner installed. Coming up soon I will be upgrading my house again by having a battery added to my rooftop solar installation. No finance, no credit - all cash. I cleared my mortgage 4 years ago. My gaming PC is doing fine. I last upgraded that 16 months ago when I replaced everything except the GPU (RTX3080 10GB). My previous rig sported the still decent Intel I7-8086K cpu, but Starfield was inbound, and well, it was time.
@@jeremiah61667 - I got lucky. I really did. Because when I left school at the end of 1985 there were good jobs that paid well for everyone. It was easy. I bought my first home in 1999 when I was 33 years old (I waited far too long) when house prices were still low. Like 3 x average income LOW. My advice to young adults today? Thats a tough one. Start saving every week from the moment you get your first job. Even if it's only $5. Don't buy that new iPhone. Just no. Pay cash (or use a debit card) for everything. Do not put anything on credit card unless you are able to pay it off in full before the end of the month. Sounds boring? It is. Because previous generations of rich ****s have ruined your future. House prices out of reach, rents that are killing you, jobs that barely cover the basics (if that even) and student debt up to your eyeballs. I have come to hate capitalism with a passion.
I went from a 5600 to 5700x3d and noticed quite a bit of a difference. Much higher lows and a lot less stuttering, I’m sure it has a lot to do with the games being playing.
What's your ram capacity, speed, timings, is your ram double your infinity clock? What else is in your system and what games are you playing. Maybe they just aren't cpu bound.
I'm running an i9 9900k, running at 5ghz, with an AMD 6950xt 16GB. 64GB of DDR4 at 3200. Runs like a dream. No bottle necking and I can run mutiple programmes while playing the latest titles.
I am right there with you on the 9900k , 32G DDR3200 , 3090. On custom watercooling i am wondering if i should upgrade to arrow lake for the extra horsepower for the 5080/5090.
@@GregB6193 why would u need such a GPU upgrade? what games is the 3090 struggling with, it should get any game done even at 4k or doesnt it? im on a 4070 (upgraded from 970) and im not worried the slightest even about GTA 6
@@privatjetconnaisseur It does good at 4k but I think that the dlss and frame generation in the 40 series cards works so much better . My s/o has a 4080 super and that card is a monster .
@@GregB6193 3090 also sells quite well used. and the 4080 super might also be the most expensive Nvidia card i would buy. its just so much more bang for your buck compared to 4090 and 5000 series (from what we know so far)
Still rocking an X470, 5700X, 6700XT. It's old but still rocking. Did pickup a Mini PC with a Ryzen 7 7840HS with an Oculink dock with an older 5700XT, DDR5, 990Evo 2tb that I've been playing on for a couple of weeks and it rocks... On custom water...
Depends on what you play. I have a ryzen 5600x with 6800xt gpu and I can play 2k with 60 to 100 fps new games raster only. Should be good at least 2 years, even more if games are shit like in the past few years.
My last upgrade was Boxing Day, upgraded from 24" monitor to an Asus Tuf 27" monitor. Absolutely no regrets. Did I need it? No. Does it make my GOG games, WoW, POE, and streaming videos look better? Damn right it does. Also I watch Mandarin TV shows with English subtitles. "The Princess and the Werewolf", "Duolou Continent" and "Different Princess" at the moment. Way better than western TV.
I had an i5 6600k with a 2060. CPU was 100% constantly. Upgraded to an i7 7700 or something. After a few months I got a new motherboard and cpu. I7 12700kf a few months later I got a 2080 ti. 1440p/2k with 95+ fps, high everything
Love these kind of videos, even with all of my years of building PCs I still learn something new. Never thought of drives taking up bandwidth from the GPU. I still have a CM HAF 932 case since 2008ish and have only debated on changing cases because maybe I have too many intake fans and not enough exhaust fans and would like a bit of a smaller case but I do like how versatile this case has been.
I don’t feel like RAM is an important topic of discussion right now. I think 32gb/24gb is the new minimum, but other than that, the jump to DDR5 is eh 🤷🏻 As weird as this sounds, the quantity of memory is more important than the transfer speed. 32gb of RAM at 3600Mt/s is actually going to give you faster load speeds than 16gb at 4200Mt/s Also, modern mobos perform better with only 2 slots occupied as opposed to all 4- this is especially true if you’re using an AMD CPU (at least it was last time I ran numbers)
@@pilzner1118Memory timings are extremely important for AM5, as is using 2 sticks instead of 4. Hence why I said RAM should have its own video. The wrong ram can severely hamstring your system.
Jay's logic is spot on here. Upgrade when you have legitimate fitment or performance issues and try to plan ahead for budgeting and deals... (unless you're a snob like me and have several spare no expense custom loop show pieces spread throughout your home)😅
My golden rule would be what Jay is mentioning at the beginning of this video. Monitor your hardware! This is the number one indicator of what might need an upgrade to begin with. This is true for every aspect of any given piece of hardware, from the temperatures it's running to the amount of utilization it's getting. I also have a second golden rule that I always follow once an upgrade has been determined: Performance over esthetics at all times! Not saying that I don't give a s**t about if a system looks terrible and as unprofessional as it gets, because I do, but without a doubt I care the absolute most about what kind of performance is being delivered from it. I'd much rather have a boring looking case with exceptional airflow and space, than a pretty case that strangles every single fan in the system as soon as it starts to rotate! (Looking at you NZXT H5 non-flow.)
Jay I get why you'd go for having a bigger drive for everything, but it does introduce the risk of losing all that data in one go as well. There are pros and cons for everything, but I personally will stick with my three drive solution. One windows and essential files. One for games and one backup/big files. That way I can at least limit any losses if a drive dies.
@CaptainCave-t3n in reality you could have skipped the mobo, ram, and cpu saved roughly $600 and still had the same performance. You already had a monster cpu.
My golden rule that has served me well for the past 20 years? Corsair PSUs. I've only had 1 die after working well in 2 systems over a 7 year period. Even then, it was the PCI-E connector..all the other plugs worked fine.
I have helped friends build and upgrade PC's. The most important component that all else revolves around is the monitor. Getting 300fps in any game doesn't matter if you are at 1080p 60hz.
I'm still running a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and Radeon RX 6950 XT. At this point, that's 2 year old hardware, but it suits my needs just fine, and since Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is good enough for me, I'm not planning to upgrade just yet. By the way, please review MFS2024 like you did with the 2 videos for the previous version. Just because newer hardware is available, that doesn't mean that my PC that was top of the line when I built it is suddenly "obsolete". Hardware Unboxed recently compared the 5800X3D to the new Ryzen 7 CPUs, and it is still very competitive. I feel it's the same with the GPU: The RDNA3 GPUs didn't offer enough performance improvement to make upgrading from RDNA2 worth it, and while I would love to go with an RTX 4090, I'm not willing to turn my PC into a fire hazard because of a poorly designed power connector that every so-called fix failed to actually solve the problem... (and based on rumors, RDNA4 isn't going to offer me much incentive to upgrade either...) So for now, I'm happy with what I have.
@@Jeff.78 Thanks. I plan on holding off on upgrading the CPU for a while since it's gonna be an expensive upgrade to AM5 or whatever comes next when the time comes.
Get a 4080 super then. Massive upgrade, especially for RT and less of a fire hazard. At this point you might want to wait for the 5080.. I wouldn’t. I think 5080s if the all the rumors are true are going to flop and drive up the price of the already dwindling supply of 4080 supers
That’s good. My 5900x holding my gpu back and I felt am4 was long in the tooth and didn’t feel like buying another one when at the time the 7800x3d was 330 and I regret not buying the cpu first
you're gonna be able to run MSFS24 on that hardware. You'll be able to get a substantial GPU upgrade on that CPU. I won't buy anything with a 12VHPWR connector either.
19:11 I agree, the only reason I could possibly see someone replacing a functioning high-enough-wattage power supply is if they are obsessed with having the best power supply in terms of using the less amount of electricity as possible, and don't mind spending the money constantly buying a new one when one shows up that uses less electricity than their current one.
The GPU features a zero RPM mode, which means the fans remain off until the temperature reaches a specific threshold. Once the GPU heats up, the fans activate to cool it down, and they turn off again when the temperature drops below that threshold. This helps reduce fan noise when the GPU isn't under heavy load.
13:14 Just a little tip, if you're making 1 purchase, a larger drive is usually cheaper per GB than smaller drives. Unless you specifically need separate physical drives, you get a better deal just getting 1. Although, if you're interested in an HDD RAID, multiple smaller drives can multiply the performance, so may be worth getting 2x4TB(500mbps), instead of just 1x8TB(250mbps).
@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 least important how can that even be a relevant when with out the motherboard there is no computer nothing connects or talk are you ignorant may be least in the fact that these day the board are built alot better and no matter how much you pay your gonna get a decent experience but doesnt mean its any less important cause just like any piece of the computer except the gpu is important to having a computer at all and like i said the price just means a higher chance of saving other parts connected to the motherboard which is basicly saying that the price is more based on what you feel safe buying and what you have the money for.... which is why all information is important for even the most beginner person to learn before they do anything about building a computer cause they may feel safe spending less like toasty bros does alot or they may only feel safe having the best of the best and if the info they have doesnt give all the information they need then they arent well enough informed to make that decision... same idea that goes as to weather you want rgb or not or need it or not
@@crazybrain87 dude, you went on a full rant and hurled insults and implied things i never said. yeah, you still need one, but it's the least important part of a computer. it's not even half as important as you make it seem. all you need it to do is connect the stuff together.
@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 and if the chipset isnt right or if the stuff your plugging in isnt right and you plug stuff in to the wrong slots which cheaper motherboards can allow for thing to be plugged in wrong as proven manytimes on many tech channels i would say its one of the most important items because if your over confident or just to ignorant then the importance of that item grows so just because its not that important to you because your obviously someone that only looks at what he does in that situation rather then looking at every situation out their then yes mobo mean nothing cause as the Chinese and other asian countries have proven you can get things that arent supposed to work together to work but just cause your not the stupid one that might not research things doesnt make anything that i said less truth and all you did was make me prove again that the motherboard is subjective to each person rather then being objective cause what you think is ok may not be to me which make you ignorant because your missing an entire idea of what i said let alone that just cause you think its the least important thing in the computer doesnt mean anything with out that board nothing would communicate nothing
2:55 For me its the other way around, recently upgraded my PC, bought everything new except GPU which is an RTX 2070, and its really holding back my CPU and needs to be replaced ASAP.
I did gpu first 7900xtx for 410 after selling my 3080, then pieced ddr5, am5 motherboard, and was ready to buy the 7800x3d when it was 330 but the following week it shot up and now going for 700 no thanks. Have to see what the 9800x3d going for and get it launch day
@@remsterx i actually bought a new case, motherboard, ram, m.2, psu, aio, lots of extra fans and cpu(7800x3d actually), only thing i kept is my old RTX 2070 from my previous build thinking it would be good enough for now but its not. Now I'm probably gonna get a 7900 GRE because i found a good deal on it, i know i should probably wait since the new cards are just around the corner but i really cant wait, i wanna play Wukong and Space Marine 2 properly :p
Thank you J. I've been wanting to upgrade for a couple of years now. (For MFS2020) but haven't felt comfortable picking the parts yet. Now I know what to look for.
I'm upgrading right now. Not because I felt the urgent need to, but because I kinda wanted to do it for a while and now a friend of mine has some budget for upgrading (he was in dire need of an upgrade for years now). So we upgrade his system with CPU, GPU und RAM from mine and I go AM5 with the money I get from those parts plus mobo and a small extra ofcourse. He's happy, I'm happy :D
The PCIe Lane limit is still a great reason why SATA SSDs should still exist. If we can fit 8 TB on an M.2 NVMe There's no reason why they can't pack more of the slower older flash on a SATA drive for higher capacity at a cheaper price
Or you can get 24TB on a HDD and be done with it. A SSD is great as a dedicated scratch drive but once you start talking about bulk storage and budgets spinning steel is your best friend.
@@Hybris51129 The throughput of a single spinning platter is bismal compared to even cheap SATA SSDs. Would be better off using my NAS for a game library
19:03 Regarding the power supply, remember that new graphic cards and mainboards require different plugs, and your current (old) power supply probably does not have it. If you have a high-end PSU with replaceable cables, you can replace cables/connectors. In my case, the only solution to connect my 4090 was to buy a new PSU.
First to answer your question, I upgrade when I need to, not a moment before. (Light gaming, content consuming, some work usage) Now that's out of the way, this content was the kind of thing that got me into PC and PC building. It's important to remember that new people are joining all the time and these so called simple question need to be addressed before folks are discouraged. Keep this kind of content on the front burner. Keep growing the movement, educate us, we need it.
Good video Jay. Pretty interesting to get different points of view on each component. After many years of building my own systems (right back to 386 days). What triggers me is when a game comes out and I want to run it. I really enjoyed playing Far Cry so Crysis was a major one for this going from a 7800GT to 8800GTX SLI (finding it still wouldn't run maxed out lol) with an AMD64+ 6400, but this lasted until I got 2 x 280GTXs, which lasted until I got 2 x 980GTXs, which lasted until 3080ti. This also triggered a PSU upgrade to 860W. My old Antec 900 was still good with all the cooling options available. I have however, broken this rule twice. The first was updating from my I7 920 (with an 800MHz stable OC), to an FX8350 on the advice of a mate. What a waste of time that was. I was disappointed. The other was changing from a 3080ti to a 4090 for aesthetic reasons as it looked better in my new case! BTW, the 920 and 2 x 280GTXs pairing are still in use today from the person I sold them to when I went to piledriver!
One of the last things i need to upgrade on my pre-built is the case. The "Gaming 700B - Hexagon - ATX gaming case" doesnt have a front intake, there's only a single exhaust. Other than that, over the years i upgraded my pre-built to be a gaming/streaming computer and it does absolutely fine. Temps on the otherhand, yeah i need a bit more in-take.
Woww I am also shifting to a new place so the timeline is seriously in-line with Jay. I can understand what a mess it is packing and shifting along side keeping regular work in place. Jay see you soon in our new place
I upgraded last October 2023. I upgraded from an Intel i7 4790k with x5 Sata SSD's, 32GB DDR3 Ram and Nvidia GTX 1070 and I upgraded to a Intel i9 13900k (Should have got the i9 14900k!) DDR5 96GB Ram, Nvidia RTX 4070TI with x4 M.2 SSD's and the peformance for video editing and gaming was incredible!
As a PSU I bought a Lepa G1000 1000w in 2013 and it is still going strong. Ran a AMD 8250FX and 2x HD7870 crossfire. Since then it now power an ASRock B650M Pro RS , AMD 7700 and a RX 6900 XT so unless it gives up the ghost I am good.
The first and last time I upgraded my PC was around 1993. Since then I've built a new PC every 7 years on average, with generally ''best bang for the bucks" parts. My current PC I built in 2021 ( the WORST time for a new build ) and had to wait another year before I could get the GPU I wanted and could afford...so that was sort-of an 'upgrade' (from EVGA 970 GTX SSC to a Asus TUF 3060ti GDDR6X). As others have commented, it's about having the cash PLUS having the purpose ( what software and ambitions you have).
Here's the biggest tip I could ever give, based on personal revelation: If you don't have a good monitor, buy a good monitor. My monitor was the last thing I upgraded for about ten years - was still using a fairly old one with a max 60hz refresh rate and a low response time... I upgraded to an iiyama thing with a 165hz refresh rate and a lightning fast response time and freesync. I hadn't even upgraded my GPU yet. Was still using an RX480, and suddenly 40 FPS looked like 60. Everything was crisp, everything was smooth. I've built and rebuilt the PC over the past 15 years, and the biggest upgrade turned out to be a monitor. So yeah, don't make my mistake - make sure you have a good monitor first. Doesn't matter if your machine can't actually hit a framerate that matches the refresh rate; you will still benefit from it.
A iPad every three years, a laptop 3.5 years, a pc between 3 and 5 years (though you can upgrade the memory and SSD earlier to improve performance. Windows 11 for instance needs 16 GB. If your GPU shares memory then you need even more). though with advances of technology you are not going to see dramatic performance increase as we once saw in the past, just maintaining supported technology. Monitor every 5 years, keyboard and mouse when you need to.
To make it simple: Upgrade either when you can get 100%/2x more performance for the same price you got your current part(s), or if your current set-up is no longer good enough for what you do. Also chances are that even if your setup is no longer good enough for what you do a 30% increase in performance won't be enough, anything less than 50-70% is not really an upgrade.
The drive thing is exactly what I'm doing on my next build. My current build has like 2 m.2 drives, 3 SSD's, and 2 HDD's because I was too stubborn to just go big the first time. When I do a new build here in a year or two, I'm literally just going to get the biggest size drive possible and the next time I get a new drive it's going to be because of a new gen or something.
Running a 9900k and 2080 Super. Coming up on 4 years with my current setup in an O11D Mini with an overkill custom loop with dual 360 rads...it still works great but I'm starting to get that itch!
I upgrade whenever I can get a great deal on a part (normally auctions like ebay), then I gather the used parts and often add some cheaper new or used parts and flip a whole computer this normally gets me free upgrades in the end.
The best tome ro upgrade is alwys 3 months after the new gen comes out. That way you can either get a killer deal on the previous gen OR get the new gen
I am not a PC expert by any means. In fact, I just enjoy gaming, watching Twitch, TH-cam, and some movies with my PC. I started to notice my PC felt dated. My PC was a little over 5 years old, and I did not have a God tier PC to begin with. The new PC is not all of the best of the best components, but I feel like I made a considerable leap forward. I felt it was time to upgrade when I was 5 or 6 generations behind, and my GPU died.
Keeping check on the CPU and GPU load is a good way of getting a hint of which component is holding you back from the framerates you want. Benchmarks are not really a perfect test but they can be used to see the difference between computers. Way back when the 2070 Super was new on the market both I and a friend bought one to upgrade our machines. We were also playing a lot of The Division at the time, and we ran the benchmark to compare our machines. Now the benchmark number said my computer were one or two FPS faster, but that wasn't the real revelation. My GPU had a very small factory overclock and that gave it that extra performance to the result, but what really mattered was the CPU's we had. My machine had a Intel i-6700 while his had a i9-9900K. So quite a few generations between them. During the benchmark my machine logged 102% CPU load. Yes it claimed the processor passed 100% so it was certainly totally bottlenecked. This was during the game benchmark so no gameplay from me. My friends computer logged in at 20% CPU load in the same test, and that showed when we were playing. On my machine the frame rate would sag at times, and there were things that took longer time on my machine than on his. So my machine bottlenecked on the CPU while the GPU still had some performance that wasn't used. So look at CPU load and if it ever reach 90% or more when running the games you play then it's time to upgrade the CPU, but if it stays low and the framerate still slipps then get a faster GPU. The same can be said about GPU load. If it regularly top out when you game then it is a bottleneck. Drives are not really something that will make your gaming a lot better, just make sure you've got enough space to it's not close to the limit. PSU is another thing that doesn't make your machine faster. Either it is good enough or the machine will crash because it can't deliver the poser needed. Motherboards are also generally not a big thing when you talk gaming performance. Some have more features, better sound or allow more aggressive overclocking. But that's about it really. if you don't overclock then one is mostly as god as another. The real limit is the absolute lowest range of motherboards that can either have a substandard VRM, Voltage Regulator Module. This can starve a processor so it can't boost as much as it could on other motherboards. But that's really the cheapest of the cheap motherboards. They can also use low end chipsets such as the A620 or B840. Neither of these will allow use of PBO or overclocking the processor at all. They also use slower PCIe slots than the other chipsets for AMD processors so it is possible that can hold a GPU back from delivering full performance. So avoid the cheapest of the cheap. Aiming for the mid range will be enough to get a decent motherboard.
About the case point. I'm still using a define R4 since it came out. Have changed system in it 3 times since then. I've gotten free replacement covers and filters and I've modded it for even better sound dampening. I undervolt my cpu and gpu without loosing performance and it's super quite and cool. No need to upgrade the case so far.
Thanks, Guys. More of these videos, please. I am out of touch lately. The new stuff is a little foreign to me now. I've had to immigrate twice and been on an old laptop, but I need to build a new PC as soon as finances allow. I appreciate these videos. I need to save up for a very high end system and need to know what I will be buying and assembling. I esp. like the videos like this because certain combinations are a waste of money. Things have changed a lot since 2018 when I gave up my PC. I still have a top of the line 1080ti card in a trunk LOL! So annoying when I need it here on this continent. As always, thanks for the videos.
I recently had to upgrade . Was on i5 quad core with a 1gb gpu. I wanted to play new games so built an entire system. Don't feel the need to upgrade as runs anything I throw at it to a level I'm happy with
I typically upgrade on a 2-5 year cadence on different parts. Platform 5 years - other stuff 2+ depending. I cycle my parts to friends or give them away on facebook marketplace sometimes, i've been doing that more recently due to a few issues that caused a more abrupt upgrade - mobo failure twice...Thanks Asus. My golden rule for pc building...is it better shut up and be quiet. I overbuild my cooling for that very purpose so it makes as little noise as I can muster. I have multiple rads in a water cooled system, and fans that can do zero rpm so the most noise I get is the odd time they spin up. I get mostly passive cooling for every day use and it can ramp up when playing games. And I agree on the PSU side - I have a 1200w psu and the intention was to hit the peak efficiency curve of it as much as possible so it sits about 93% efficiency most of the time for a platinum grade it's solid and been a good investment despite costing £300 or so at the time.
My golden rule... _"Have I got the cash to upgrade?"_ If no, then no upgrade for me.
This is why I got screwed over on the 7800x3d. I was like oh it’s 330 I’ll get it next week. Then it jumped to 470 then 569, and now 700. I’ll just get the 9800x3d long as it’s not 700 or I’m selling my am5 board and going Intel
Even if you have the cash, do you want to upgrade in this sort of economy when milk and eggs cost this much?
......... Yeah you're still going to upgrade, just tell the wife and kids to survive off ramen for a few weeks.
Yup and hence why I can not remember the last time I upgraded. I never upgrade CPUs. Perhaps storage or more memory is the only thing I have upgraded in the past. Once a system is so old that it does not function I usually build a new system altogether
@@remsterx AMD prices only went up because Intel completely bombed 13th 14th and 15th generations back to back to back.
Intel is soon going to realize they can't overcharge for an inferior product unlike Nvidia who CAN overcharge because their product is superior.
That. And do not look at prices after purchase.
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& I'm here watching it the whole time & wondering has Jay set that PC to do that or is that GPU fried? 🤨🤣🤘🏼
Doing gods work
@@localbrew 🤦🏼♂️🤣🤘🏼
Some heroes don't wear capes
How much spare time do you have? Yes?
9:25 yes, please do an updated video physically comparing modern PCI-E lane Generations. seeing ACTUAL performance vs. theoretical would be awesome 👍
Yes. PLEASE!!!
Yes please to this suggestion!
Especially for 4060s, because they have 8x pcie and pcie gen can be more of a difference than in different carda
Yes! Many people still running PCIe 3
techpowerup already did this, the difference between 3.0 and 4.0 is 3%.
After 35 years of playing with computers I don't think I'm going to upgrade anymore, the economy has priced everything out and my wages haven't increased since 2020. On top of that the games aren't good anymore and I'm getting old and just don't have infinite patience to invest in them anymore. I'm thinking about unplugging completely and buying a motorcycle and spending the rest of my days outside.
What are your current system specs?
technology is damaging us all. go back to the simple stuff. you'll appreciate everything that much more.
Good for you bro
😂😂😂 touching grass would do good for your mental bro
if i was in ur shoes save log term and enjoy the boost of the biggest upgrade if not everything .
"Should I upgrade" is really nothing but a comparison between "What do you actually do with your PC" versus "Epeen Reasons".
- If you spend 95% of your time playing Indie Steam games, watching TH-cam, and checking email... You don't need half of what you think you do.
- If your stuff is old, but it still does everything fine "As far as you can tell"... Let it go. You're fine for now. Wait for the deals.
What if I have 40 instances of photoshop open and I’m trying to play Star Cit 🥺
i am using am3+ with fx 8350... even plays BG3 fine/civ6 etc(load screens can be slow)....still waitin for them real deals though! lmao
I upgrade neat stuff like pc case etc.. major components I wait until something dies lol
Agree with the OP. For me, I have a 9900K and a 3080Ti. I can do most of what I want but there are two games that I really want to play and can't. I tried to push through one at 40 fps by turning a bunch of things off but I had to stop. Thing is, I don't want a 4090 to upgrade so I'm waiting for the 50 series and then likely going with AMD CPU.
Always wanted a high end gaming computer when i was young and all I could afford was second hand bits slapped together. Now that I'm old and boring with disposable income decided to build something grunty. After not having a pc in over a decade it turns out i pretty much only want to occasionally play games that would run on a potato and watch TH-cam. now i have a very expensive overbuilt to hell and back custom water cooled media player basically but at least its silent i suppose. lesson learnt when your older and half blind you dont need 4k to play the odd game,
I don't need an upgrade..... *_steps into Micro Center_*
I just upgraded from a pre-built that had some components fail (after only 4 years) and many had proprietary connections. Finally built myself one.
What are your specs?
@@Legendsingray 4 yrs is actually good
My golden rule is whatever part I'm upgrading must be at least a 25% improvement in performance/capacity for a similar price to the original part. I've followed your budget builds and managed to upgrade my entire PC for about $1000 while improving performance by at least 50%. New case plus fans ($125), CPU i7-9700 to 12700K ($225), Z790 MOBA ($200), RX 6600 XT to RX 7700 XT with two Steam codes ($350), extra 16 GB RAM ($75), extra 1TB SSD ($75), 450 W to 750 W PSU ($125, purchased in advance). Thanks for all of the great build videos!
Congratulations again for the new Studio JTC team..
Definitely
My golden rule(s) as someone who wasted way too much cash in his life for pc upgrades? Only upgrade when you really need to, not when you just want to. Buy new stuff if you actually need the performance or the technical advancements/benefits/improvements right now. Don't upgrade because you like shiny new stuff, don't upgrade because "it could be useful at some point" - upgrade when you need it. Upgrade when something isn't performing the way you need it to. In pc hardware, nothing is particular "future-proof" and - all scalpers, pandemics and so on aside - prices usually go down, sometimes rather quick. You just waste money if you upgrade too early, even if you buy on sale. And rule 2: don't go all the way to the highest high-end or the lowest low-end. Both variants are usually not worth your money. With the former you often pay 30% more for 15% more performance, with the latter you probably have to replace that part much earlier than if you had spent 10% more.
We call them sentences, once you have leveled up, you go for paragraphs.
As someone upgrading soon good to see it’s time to upgrade everything
This has been a BRILLIANT video. I'm very experienced at building my own system for decades... but... I don't know all the tech savvy terms and meanings. So when you explained the issues with upgrading Drives and taking lane spots - BANG - it was like a new paradigm was discovered. Same with all the power supply and requirements, and especially the Motherboard.... I just build a system with 'guesstimating' based on what didn't blow up in the past and was proven.
I currently have a SFF build with ROG Strix X570-I gaming MB, Ryzen 9 5950X, WD SN850X 2TB Gen 4 NVMe, 64GB Corsair Veng RAM, Zotac RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC GPU, SX650G PSU, all water-cooled in a HYTE Revolt 3 ITX case... all attached to a Dell 32 4K G3223Q UHD Gaming Monitor.
So with the AMD 5 series and X3D CPUs as well as the RTX 5 series on the horizon, was wondering if I needed to upgrade... I mainly play Skyrim in 4K, mod and stream... Your video made it clear I do NOT need to upgrade and I am VERY grateful to have watched it.... only thing I do NOT like in my setup is the Motherboard as I can't get sound and only 1x M.2 drive is recognised.
Thanks very much :)
13:45 the golden rule here is: check your motherboard manual, if it says adding an extra drive will steal bandwidth from your GPU then upgrade to a bigger drive and use the old one as external, otherwise add an extra drive.
These are some level-headed pieces of advice. Thanks, Jay.
My golden rule for upgrading: if your components are landing in the minimum specs for new titles.
Factsss. I play alot of new games once it's something I like. My 3080ti is still fine🤣
The RX5700 landed on the minimum specs. This is just sad. And went unexpectedly very quick. Let’s see how long my new RX7990 XTX is going to last. I hope more than 5 years for „up-to-date“ gaming. 😅
I personally upgrade every 5 or 6 years. No need to figure out whether I need an upgrade or not because I just build a whole new pc after skipping a few generations. The pc runs games OK, but I like having a pc that's no slouch. Plus picking parts and putting it all together is its own reward.
excellent words
My old GTX 960 still runs fine for many games, but my son has to deal with that. I upgraded and he got the older equipment.
1:55 This felt like a direct callout at me, lol. My 5950X and 6800XT are still going strong. I recently upgraded my primary "monitor" to a 42-inch LG C4 instead of upgrading the computer itself. Consider your setup friends 😃
How is that display? I’m considering the same.
i still cant get my head around whoever has specs like that and thinks they need to upgrade.
who needs 4k 300 FPS?
i spend way too much time in front of my PC, studying, free time, watching movies or videos with my GF, etc.
and still i would have a thousand different ways to better use my money.
there are always a few specific circumstances ppl have when it makes sense, but i'd argue most ppl who do such unnecessary upgrades lost the grasp on what money can do a bit.
I just updated my 3700X to a 5700X3D with a Lian Li cooler to prolong the life of my current system, since it hasn't had any issues.
My golden rule is to always wait around 6 months after a series releases and see how it performs before committing to a full build. I don't have time to be a free beta tester.
this.
also prices drop when everyone is upgrading, both on the new and the used market.
99% of times the 2nd/3rd newest gen mid-high tier models of both GPU and CPU will run every game on 1440p or even 4k to a point where u wont notice the difference, but u spend like half the price for 10-20% less performance.
that every 2-4 years is so much more efficient than buying the top model every 4-6 years.
imagine buying a 3090 on release for 1500 bucks when u could have gotten a 2080 for much cheaper at that time, now upgrade to a 4070 super or AMD euqivalent and still and still have spent less money than the guy who bought the 3090. and thats not even considering the used market.
I’m still rocking my 3700x with…4090😮. Does just fine for now but I don’t play a wide variety of games. However, using Lightroom & Photoshop it dogs out.
@@TXFella i mean im running a 3600 with a 4070, so i should be the last person to say this, but it sounds so wild running a GPU thats like 15x as expensive as ur CPU xD
@@privatjetconnaisseur incremental upgrades. MW3 at 1440p, max settings still nets 250 fps. I see no reason to spend another $500 to upgrade to a better AM4 at this time.
good stuff Jay. I'm one of your very first viewer, have been watching your videos for years, and learned a lot. I used to be ridiculously into DIY/custom PC builds, and I always overbuild my PCs for over 15 years. After the COVID time, the one most important thing I realized is just as you say in this videos, many things in my builds just don't need an upgrade. my corsair psu works fine after 10 years, my 1080ti always delivered, still 120hz monitor 2k can last me for couple more years till everything is 4k.
I now lost the desire or passion to upgrade my pc, not only that these parts still kickass for most daily tasks, but it could also provide me good results at work. I just don't think a 30% performance lift worth another 1000 bucks. I still remember the day 1080ti was lunched and I ordered 2 for sli, just cuz its crazy at that time and this cards worth every penny, nowadays looking at the price tags of the rtx 40s just makes me sad.
I recently upgraded my cpu from a 3700x to a 5900x and I instantly noticed my games being a lot smoother next upgrade for me is my gpu
Interesting! I have the same CPU and have been thinking of getting a 5950x3d since it's the best possible am4 CPU at the moment. Any idea of the fps increase you got? And what gpu do you have now?
@@pmstuff8420not much, those are productivity cpus
Same. When i upgraded to 3800x i saw like 1-3fps increase, but for some reason gaming felt like fps is doubled.
People told me thats IPC improvement (i think its called IPC).
@@pmstuff8420 the best gaming cpu on am4 is the 5800x3d however that is hard to find, the 5700x3d is nearly as fast and more available and much cheaper than the 5800x3d anyway
I have a 3700x and ironically my 2070s is bottlenecking my cpu in cod lol
This past year, I DOWNGRADED to a 7940HS based tiny PC, and I love it. However, I do have a bit of a different use case. I'm a trucker, and I'm limited to 1080p/60 on my TV. The tiny PC is running Linux, and most of my gaming is through Steam. Most of the Steam games run just fine under Linux. (Think Steam Deck v1.5.) However, I do still have my gaming PC on board, which is an all-AMD AM4 SFF system. The big difference for me is with power draw. On the tiny PC, I can let the computer stay on all night, downloading via the slow truck stop WiFi without draining the truck battery. The AM4 system, however, can go only 5-6 hours doing a download before the low voltage alarm goes off, so I need to idle. (Not a problem during the summer when I need the A/C, but it is the rest of the year.)
TL/DR: Only you can determine if what you have now is "good enough".
I'm always surprised how many fellow truckers I see in the gaming/pc enthusiast world. I just drive local so I don't need a mobile setup but some of the ones I've seen are pretty cool. Curious if you could add a deep cycle battery and some sort of BMS like the overlanders use? If you are owner op that is.
You’re far enough south that you don’t need heating during the winter?
I built a similar PC on for my father's rig. He is a owner/operator and while he doesn't game he watches a lot of movies.
So I built him a all solid state build with as many of the largest SSD's I could get my hands on at the time.
This way when he is parked at home he can access everything by the home network to swap movie loads and otherwise remain independent of the truck stop Wifi or the signal issues he experienced while in mountainous areas.
You should consider getting something like an ecoflow power station. Charge it while the engine's running and then have all the power you need otherwise.
@@pootispiker2866 The problem with that is space is at a absolute premium. So on top of having a PC case you now also have the power bank to stash, secure, and wire up. It's not something many rigs would be able to carry without sacrificing space for something else like a Microwave, food, water, or spare clothes.
i went from i5-6500 to r5-5600x. huge difference.
love your videos, man.
Ayy fellow new AM4 owner!
I just went from i5 5820k to R7 5700x3d
I've been running a r5-5600x for the last 2 years ... very good CPU.
Welcome to AMD, bro
from 4790k to 7800x3d.... I think it's a few percent faster 👍
That's like saying you went from a Honda Fit to a Mustang GT.
Pro tip: Buy what you NEED, not what you WANT. Works with everything, not only computers.
Buy what you want and pray you have enough money leftover for the bills lol
@@darkstormincthe forbidden way 😂
nobody needs to play games.
Best rule ever, especially for anxious people who can't process uncertainty 😅😅
Cheeping out components will not only make you disappointed but you will also need to replace or upgrade them sooner. in the long run you earn money getting the high end stuff right away. my old gaming PC (FX8350 32GB)died 9 years old from motherboard warping, the smaller upgrade to a 6700K made from various stuff I had around I used for 1 year because it was old to begin and MS is stupid I had to upgrade again to Ryzen 5800X. my production PC is over 10 years now and the same as I built it with the 4790K 16GB. My rule is that I am better off happy for a longer time than cheap out for the sake of it. expensive as it comes you do get more joy in the end if you can afford it
i cant listen to you , i'm looking at the 3gpu fan spinning from time to time LOL
I thought I was the only one, lol. It keeps distracting me. Weird how 2 spin then all 3 then the 2 stop and the last one stops.
DAMNIT NOW I CANT unsee it 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think it's one of the last EVGA 3090's that was made. . .
@@NTATchannelNickTaylor it's beautiful
Same bro!
My golden rule has always been that I will never spend more on a motherboard than what I spend on a CPU. Until recently, that is. With the most recent CPU upgrade, I got a MB that was about $80 more. I could argue that MB pricing is really high right now and that I care about having passive cooling on every spot that needs it. Those are legitimate reasons. However, I just really liked the look of the motherboard. An X670 MB is probably more than what I need for a R5 7600, if truth be told. But, it leaves room for any upgrades that I might want to do in the future.
My rule for when to upgrade has always been two things: "Can I afford to upgrade?" and "Is it better to just build a new computer and re-purpose/give away the current one?"
I used to just wait until my computer just wasn’t running games at high enough detail and resolution then I’d upgrade whatever needed it. Now I keep building new systems because I enjoy doing it. My midrange machines, which are some of my favorite builds, are still able to satisfy all my gaming needs pretty easily. However I still like high end hardware so I have high end rigs as well.
My buddy literally upgraded to a 4070 last summer from his 1080 to play Diablo IV. The funny thing is he’s still using a trio of 1080p/60Hz monitors which he’s had for at least a decade and likely won’t replace them til one of them dies.
The last paragraph genuinely made me chuckle. He needs to upgrade those monitors ASAP.
i was on a trio of 1080p/60hz monitors as well until just a week ago. oldest of the 3 was from 2010. upgraded the center monitor to a dell g2724d and it's amazing. i still feel bad about not using the old monitor though...
@@mcul3474 that’s what I keep telling him.
@@xyzzy64 was on a tight budget and got a nice deal on a refurbished 144Hz 1080p for under 150 bucks to put my 60hz 1080p as my 2nd monitor.
upgraded this year from a 970 to a 4070 since i got that for less than 500, but how do i go to 1440p now?
selling the refurbished one is awkward, 60 hz 1080p is perfect for 2nd monitor anyway, but i also dont want a third xD
i think i just wait til one of them dies and maybe OLED has reasonable pricing.
im not willing to pay triple just for going from IPS to OLED which might also have problems selling in a couple years.
Upgraded my 850w Antec powersupply because was bought 2014 and semi modular. Still works and is powering a zen 2 Ryzen 9 3900x RTX4060 computer. Recent up grade to Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900x with a B Quiet 850w PSU fully modular with the new 600w power connector for my GTX 3070Super. I'm 70 yrs old and this may be my last major upgrade for what I do with my computer.
When i can't no longer play my fav game at constant 60+ at mid settings
Same but I'd also also add on the native res of my monitor
i been playing my fav games at the lowest settings to get stable 30 fps now i built my new pc i can play 1440p and 4k at ultra settings with ray tracing without any fsr
Black myth wukong and Star Wars outlaw is hitting my supposed high end 3080ti and 7950x3d HARD at 1440p. It’s hard to stay at 60+ with ray tracing on. God help anyone reading this who has 4k
@@timothygibney159those are two terribly optimized games. It's not your tech dont worry
@@timothygibney159just turn off the ray tracing then. It's a luxury feature and you no longer have a luxury card. I'm on a 4080 and have been turning off ray tracing periodically in jedi survivor when it starts getting juddery. It's amazing technology but in the heat of the action the very definition of a luxury feature.
I have few rules:
1. I stay about one generation behind things so that most of the bugs have time to be discovered.
2. I upgrade progressively.
3. Wait for the big sales seasons
Sage advice... except I don't upgrade until I absolutely have to. When I do I absolutely never buy the newest generation.
Decent advice, but when you fall behind sometimes you have to upgrade in one go rather than progressively - that's just an ideal.
Still rocking a 1st gen i7 and a 1080ti works well . Mabe time to upgrade but it’s hard to when old faithful still get done wat I need
…surprised that you didn’t swap in an 6-core X5670ish Xeon during that time!
no need to upgrade. the security of the spare money will make most ppl more happy than FPS they dont need.
was running with a 3600 and 970 until earlier this year and if it wasnt for baldurs gate i'd still be rocking that.
i even played GTA 5 on an FX 6300 with a 750 back in 2018 and had no performance issues.
also im still running the same pc with that 3600, just upgraded the GPU.
Wasn’t it only a few years ago that Jay moved into this studio? Growing fast!
I'm poor (like disabled living on less than a $1,000/mo level of poor), so I upgrade what I can when I can find a way to afford it...still pushing my 3600 and 1650 Super for now.
Rocking a 1050 ti here.😊
@@bass69player Damn, ok, you need a new GPU more than I do lol
Silently sobbing in the corner with my gt740m
Same boat here, but a 5600x and a 2070. It really is starting to feel like I will never be able to get another gpu ever again or even ever move to another platform. My last splurge was finally getting an nvme for my gaming pc a couple months ago. haha even my case is 12 or 13 years old XD same with psu
Lately I've been upgrading my life. Earlier this year I bought my very first brand new car. I'm 58. Then I upgraded my house by having a ducted reverse cycle air-conditioner installed. Coming up soon I will be upgrading my house again by having a battery added to my rooftop solar installation. No finance, no credit - all cash. I cleared my mortgage 4 years ago.
My gaming PC is doing fine. I last upgraded that 16 months ago when I replaced everything except the GPU (RTX3080 10GB). My previous rig sported the still decent Intel I7-8086K cpu, but Starfield was inbound, and well, it was time.
I like the overall appreciation of life you have. Whats the best piece of advice for the young adults out there?
@@jeremiah61667 - I got lucky. I really did. Because when I left school at the end of 1985 there were good jobs that paid well for everyone. It was easy. I bought my first home in 1999 when I was 33 years old (I waited far too long) when house prices were still low. Like 3 x average income LOW.
My advice to young adults today? Thats a tough one. Start saving every week from the moment you get your first job. Even if it's only $5. Don't buy that new iPhone. Just no. Pay cash (or use a debit card) for everything. Do not put anything on credit card unless you are able to pay it off in full before the end of the month.
Sounds boring? It is. Because previous generations of rich ****s have ruined your future. House prices out of reach, rents that are killing you, jobs that barely cover the basics (if that even) and student debt up to your eyeballs. I have come to hate capitalism with a passion.
I just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5700x3D. Not noticing much of a difference now but should be good for a few years.
Probably depends on your gpu as well
I felt like my pc was a bit snappier, but I also upgraded to 32gigs of ram vs 16
I went from a 5600 to 5700x3d and noticed quite a bit of a difference. Much higher lows and a lot less stuttering, I’m sure it has a lot to do with the games being playing.
What's your ram capacity, speed, timings, is your ram double your infinity clock?
What else is in your system and what games are you playing. Maybe they just aren't cpu bound.
I went from an i5 6600k to a 5600x, it's way faster :D
I'm running an i9 9900k, running at 5ghz, with an AMD 6950xt 16GB. 64GB of DDR4 at 3200. Runs like a dream. No bottle necking and I can run mutiple programmes while playing the latest titles.
I am right there with you on the 9900k , 32G DDR3200 , 3090. On custom watercooling i am wondering if i should upgrade to arrow lake for the extra horsepower for the 5080/5090.
I have 2 x 9700ks. Recently upgraded from 1650s to a 3060 and a 6800 b/c of vram and local deals. Think I'll be good until they die.
@@GregB6193 why would u need such a GPU upgrade?
what games is the 3090 struggling with, it should get any game done even at 4k or doesnt it?
im on a 4070 (upgraded from 970) and im not worried the slightest even about GTA 6
@@privatjetconnaisseur It does good at 4k but I think that the dlss and frame generation in the 40 series cards works so much better . My s/o has a 4080 super and that card is a monster .
@@GregB6193 3090 also sells quite well used.
and the 4080 super might also be the most expensive Nvidia card i would buy.
its just so much more bang for your buck compared to 4090 and 5000 series (from what we know so far)
Still rocking an X470, 5700X, 6700XT. It's old but still rocking. Did pickup a Mini PC with a Ryzen 7 7840HS with an Oculink dock with an older 5700XT, DDR5, 990Evo 2tb that I've been playing on for a couple of weeks and it rocks... On custom water...
I have an 5700x I upgraded to for cheap from a 3600. People be sleeping on the 5700x with a low tdp 65watts and great performance.
I have something similar that I fully expect to last me at least another 5 years without any issues.
Depends on what you play. I have a ryzen 5600x with 6800xt gpu and I can play 2k with 60 to 100 fps new games raster only.
Should be good at least 2 years, even more if games are shit like in the past few years.
Bro it's not even close to old when you have dudes on intel 3rd and 4th gen they gotta upgrade.
Similar system, just 5800x and a 6600xt but it feels still rather new to me
My last upgrade was Boxing Day, upgraded from 24" monitor to an Asus Tuf 27" monitor.
Absolutely no regrets. Did I need it? No. Does it make my GOG games, WoW, POE, and streaming videos look better? Damn right it does.
Also I watch Mandarin TV shows with English subtitles. "The Princess and the Werewolf", "Duolou Continent" and "Different Princess" at the moment. Way better than western TV.
(laughs nervously in intel 4590)
Stares judgmentally in Intel i7 2600 (non-K).
Hehe intel 4790k and a gtx 660 amp i will upgrade it later edition
@@vivekvs1992 i remember when 4790k was the King, damn
that makes me feel a lot better about my 8700k.
@@vivekvs1992 That is what I have, the Intel Core i7-4790K has done me well but time for an update for me.
Great discussion regarding the amount of drives you should have. I learned something new about having to many drives. Thanks.
Do you have the money?
Yes = There you go
No = There you go
See how easy that was?
I upgraded from i5-6500/R9 390 to 7800x3d/7900xt two months ago when Microcenter opened in Miami.
I had an i5 6600k with a 2060. CPU was 100% constantly. Upgraded to an i7 7700 or something. After a few months I got a new motherboard and cpu. I7 12700kf a few months later I got a 2080 ti. 1440p/2k with 95+ fps, high everything
I have an i7 8700k. What GPU should I pair with it? I currently have a GTX 1060 6GB.
1080ti would be a solid budget option
Love these kind of videos, even with all of my years of building PCs I still learn something new. Never thought of drives taking up bandwidth from the GPU. I still have a CM HAF 932 case since 2008ish and have only debated on changing cases because maybe I have too many intake fans and not enough exhaust fans and would like a bit of a smaller case but I do like how versatile this case has been.
Surprised RAM wasn’t discussed
Cus u can always download more.
With all the nuances of the Ryzen memory controller, I think RAM needs its own video.
I don’t feel like RAM is an important topic of discussion right now. I think 32gb/24gb is the new minimum, but other than that, the jump to DDR5 is eh 🤷🏻
As weird as this sounds, the quantity of memory is more important than the transfer speed. 32gb of RAM at 3600Mt/s is actually going to give you faster load speeds than 16gb at 4200Mt/s
Also, modern mobos perform better with only 2 slots occupied as opposed to all 4- this is especially true if you’re using an AMD CPU (at least it was last time I ran numbers)
@@pilzner1118Memory timings are extremely important for AM5, as is using 2 sticks instead of 4. Hence why I said RAM should have its own video. The wrong ram can severely hamstring your system.
@@wasitacatisaw83 no, you literally just buy 2 sticks 6000 cl30 and you´re good.
Jay's logic is spot on here. Upgrade when you have legitimate fitment or performance issues and try to plan ahead for budgeting and deals... (unless you're a snob like me and have several spare no expense custom loop show pieces spread throughout your home)😅
EVGA Build: Hey! Look at me!!
Agree on power supply im still using my antec signature 850w since 2009 and works perfect
“Dont tell the wife the actual cost, tell her what you wish it cost”
My golden rule would be what Jay is mentioning at the beginning of this video. Monitor your hardware! This is the number one indicator of what might need an upgrade to begin with. This is true for every aspect of any given piece of hardware, from the temperatures it's running to the amount of utilization it's getting.
I also have a second golden rule that I always follow once an upgrade has been determined: Performance over esthetics at all times! Not saying that I don't give a s**t about if a system looks terrible and as unprofessional as it gets, because I do, but without a doubt I care the absolute most about what kind of performance is being delivered from it. I'd much rather have a boring looking case with exceptional airflow and space, than a pretty case that strangles every single fan in the system as soon as it starts to rotate! (Looking at you NZXT H5 non-flow.)
Please Jay, do not start an introduction with the phrase "Welcome to the last video...". I almost had a heart attack.
Agreed w out Jay we all suffer horribly ;)
Jay I get why you'd go for having a bigger drive for everything, but it does introduce the risk of losing all that data in one go as well. There are pros and cons for everything, but I personally will stick with my three drive solution. One windows and essential files. One for games and one backup/big files. That way I can at least limit any losses if a drive dies.
I just upgraded from 5800x/3070ti to 7950x3d/4080super. I am so pleased with the results 😮
Im jealous!
wew lad that's a math slayer
I went from 11700k/3060 to 7800x3d/4080 super.
@CaptainCave-t3n in reality you could have skipped the mobo, ram, and cpu saved roughly $600 and still had the same performance. You already had a monster cpu.
Lol I just upgraded to a 5800x and a rx6700xt. I wish I had the cash for something better
My golden rule that has served me well for the past 20 years? Corsair PSUs. I've only had 1 die after working well in 2 systems over a 7 year period. Even then, it was the PCI-E connector..all the other plugs worked fine.
00:18 the fans in the pc behind Jay started to spin.. spooky
Oh snap, good catch. They seem to be spinning throughout the video. Is it plugged in?
System is powered up and occasionally the GPU gets just warm enough for the fans to spin. Then it cools down and they stop.
I have helped friends build and upgrade PC's. The most important component that all else revolves around is the monitor. Getting 300fps in any game doesn't matter if you are at 1080p 60hz.
I'm still running a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and Radeon RX 6950 XT. At this point, that's 2 year old hardware, but it suits my needs just fine, and since Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 is good enough for me, I'm not planning to upgrade just yet. By the way, please review MFS2024 like you did with the 2 videos for the previous version.
Just because newer hardware is available, that doesn't mean that my PC that was top of the line when I built it is suddenly "obsolete". Hardware Unboxed recently compared the 5800X3D to the new Ryzen 7 CPUs, and it is still very competitive.
I feel it's the same with the GPU: The RDNA3 GPUs didn't offer enough performance improvement to make upgrading from RDNA2 worth it, and while I would love to go with an RTX 4090, I'm not willing to turn my PC into a fire hazard because of a poorly designed power connector that every so-called fix failed to actually solve the problem... (and based on rumors, RDNA4 isn't going to offer me much incentive to upgrade either...)
So for now, I'm happy with what I have.
That's a solid build, and I'd run it til it can't do what you need. I'd guess 3 years or more.
@@Jeff.78 Thanks. I plan on holding off on upgrading the CPU for a while since it's gonna be an expensive upgrade to AM5 or whatever comes next when the time comes.
Get a 4080 super then. Massive upgrade, especially for RT and less of a fire hazard. At this point you might want to wait for the 5080.. I wouldn’t. I think 5080s if the all the rumors are true are going to flop and drive up the price of the already dwindling supply of 4080 supers
That’s good. My 5900x holding my gpu back and I felt am4 was long in the tooth and didn’t feel like buying another one when at the time the 7800x3d was 330 and I regret not buying the cpu first
you're gonna be able to run MSFS24 on that hardware. You'll be able to get a substantial GPU upgrade on that CPU. I won't buy anything with a 12VHPWR connector either.
19:11 I agree, the only reason I could possibly see someone replacing a functioning high-enough-wattage power supply is if they are obsessed with having the best power supply in terms of using the less amount of electricity as possible, and don't mind spending the money constantly buying a new one when one shows up that uses less electricity than their current one.
my real question is, Why does the fans on that gpu turns on at different times
temperature and fan curve.
There´s a guy behing the scenography connecting and disconnectig the psu.
probably some kind of bug with GPU fan control software
The GPU features a zero RPM mode, which means the fans remain off until the temperature reaches a specific threshold. Once the GPU heats up, the fans activate to cool it down, and they turn off again when the temperature drops below that threshold. This helps reduce fan noise when the GPU isn't under heavy load.
@@tenepicthings i hope you’re joking
This is actually a good explanation of a bunch of things that might be considered obvious but not necessarily are. Cheers! 🙌
4:38 i hate when my core is pegged
🤣💀🏆
Needs more thermal paste 😂
Then stop asking for it every night.
U won the comments section for today m8😂
Some people like that.
13:14
Just a little tip, if you're making 1 purchase, a larger drive is usually cheaper per GB than smaller drives. Unless you specifically need separate physical drives, you get a better deal just getting 1.
Although, if you're interested in an HDD RAID, multiple smaller drives can multiply the performance, so may be worth getting 2x4TB(500mbps), instead of just 1x8TB(250mbps).
Some of the parts on the higher end boards are higher quality and can sometimes save things that a lower end motherboard may not
literally the least important part of a computer, though.
@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 least important how can that even be a relevant when with out the motherboard there is no computer nothing connects or talk are you ignorant may be least in the fact that these day the board are built alot better and no matter how much you pay your gonna get a decent experience but doesnt mean its any less important cause just like any piece of the computer except the gpu is important to having a computer at all and like i said the price just means a higher chance of saving other parts connected to the motherboard which is basicly saying that the price is more based on what you feel safe buying and what you have the money for.... which is why all information is important for even the most beginner person to learn before they do anything about building a computer cause they may feel safe spending less like toasty bros does alot or they may only feel safe having the best of the best and if the info they have doesnt give all the information they need then they arent well enough informed to make that decision... same idea that goes as to weather you want rgb or not or need it or not
@@crazybrain87 dude, you went on a full rant and hurled insults and implied things i never said.
yeah, you still need one, but it's the least important part of a computer. it's not even half as important as you make it seem. all you need it to do is connect the stuff together.
@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 and if the chipset isnt right or if the stuff your plugging in isnt right and you plug stuff in to the wrong slots which cheaper motherboards can allow for thing to be plugged in wrong as proven manytimes on many tech channels i would say its one of the most important items because if your over confident or just to ignorant then the importance of that item grows so just because its not that important to you because your obviously someone that only looks at what he does in that situation rather then looking at every situation out their then yes mobo mean nothing cause as the Chinese and other asian countries have proven you can get things that arent supposed to work together to work but just cause your not the stupid one that might not research things doesnt make anything that i said less truth and all you did was make me prove again that the motherboard is subjective to each person rather then being objective cause what you think is ok may not be to me which make you ignorant because your missing an entire idea of what i said let alone that just cause you think its the least important thing in the computer doesnt mean anything with out that board nothing would communicate nothing
2:55 For me its the other way around, recently upgraded my PC, bought everything new except GPU which is an RTX 2070, and its really holding back my CPU and needs to be replaced ASAP.
I did gpu first 7900xtx for 410 after selling my 3080, then pieced ddr5, am5 motherboard, and was ready to buy the 7800x3d when it was 330 but the following week it shot up and now going for 700 no thanks. Have to see what the 9800x3d going for and get it launch day
@@remsterx i actually bought a new case, motherboard, ram, m.2, psu, aio, lots of extra fans and cpu(7800x3d actually), only thing i kept is my old RTX 2070 from my previous build thinking it would be good enough for now but its not. Now I'm probably gonna get a 7900 GRE because i found a good deal on it, i know i should probably wait since the new cards are just around the corner but i really cant wait, i wanna play Wukong and Space Marine 2 properly :p
Thank you J. I've been wanting to upgrade for a couple of years now. (For MFS2020) but haven't felt comfortable picking the parts yet. Now I know what to look for.
Nice subtle Linus reference 🤣
Without dropping anything.
I'm upgrading right now. Not because I felt the urgent need to, but because I kinda wanted to do it for a while and now a friend of mine has some budget for upgrading (he was in dire need of an upgrade for years now). So we upgrade his system with CPU, GPU und RAM from mine and I go AM5 with the money I get from those parts plus mobo and a small extra ofcourse. He's happy, I'm happy :D
The PCIe Lane limit is still a great reason why SATA SSDs should still exist. If we can fit 8 TB on an M.2 NVMe There's no reason why they can't pack more of the slower older flash on a SATA drive for higher capacity at a cheaper price
Cheaper prices is not good after all
@@indrahaseo You must be one of the eBay sellers with a GTX 970 for $500
@@BrokeBeardedGuy nice jokes 😂😂😂
Or you can get 24TB on a HDD and be done with it. A SSD is great as a dedicated scratch drive but once you start talking about bulk storage and budgets spinning steel is your best friend.
@@Hybris51129 The throughput of a single spinning platter is bismal compared to even cheap SATA SSDs. Would be better off using my NAS for a game library
New to the PC world. This was helpful, thanks!
19:03 Regarding the power supply, remember that new graphic cards and mainboards require different plugs, and your current (old) power supply probably does not have it. If you have a high-end PSU with replaceable cables, you can replace cables/connectors. In my case, the only solution to connect my 4090 was to buy a new PSU.
While true PSU plugs have been otherwise stable for years so the old wisdom isn't completely useless.
First to answer your question, I upgrade when I need to, not a moment before. (Light gaming, content consuming, some work usage) Now that's out of the way, this content was the kind of thing that got me into PC and PC building. It's important to remember that new people are joining all the time and these so called simple question need to be addressed before folks are discouraged. Keep this kind of content on the front burner. Keep growing the movement, educate us, we need it.
Sadly, the hype discourages a lot of people from building their first PC. It gives people the impression that you need $3k to get into PC gaming.
Never skimp on the monitor!
-bZj
It seems to get lost in the discussion and is the most important component of any gaming setup!
Good video Jay. Pretty interesting to get different points of view on each component. After many years of building my own systems (right back to 386 days). What triggers me is when a game comes out and I want to run it. I really enjoyed playing Far Cry so Crysis was a major one for this going from a 7800GT to 8800GTX SLI (finding it still wouldn't run maxed out lol) with an AMD64+ 6400, but this lasted until I got 2 x 280GTXs, which lasted until I got 2 x 980GTXs, which lasted until 3080ti. This also triggered a PSU upgrade to 860W. My old Antec 900 was still good with all the cooling options available. I have however, broken this rule twice. The first was updating from my I7 920 (with an 800MHz stable OC), to an FX8350 on the advice of a mate. What a waste of time that was. I was disappointed. The other was changing from a 3080ti to a 4090 for aesthetic reasons as it looked better in my new case! BTW, the 920 and 2 x 280GTXs pairing are still in use today from the person I sold them to when I went to piledriver!
When Jensen walks on stage and tells me its time to upgrade. I upgrade
One of the last things i need to upgrade on my pre-built is the case.
The "Gaming 700B - Hexagon - ATX gaming case" doesnt have a front intake, there's only a single exhaust.
Other than that, over the years i upgraded my pre-built to be a gaming/streaming computer and it does absolutely fine.
Temps on the otherhand, yeah i need a bit more in-take.
Golden Rule: Whenever I start losing a lot in Rocket League, it's got to be my computer's fault.... Time to upgrade 😂
Are you finding yourself upgrading every few months? 😂
Woww I am also shifting to a new place so the timeline is seriously in-line with Jay. I can understand what a mess it is packing and shifting along side keeping regular work in place.
Jay see you soon in our new place
I havent upgraded anything on my pc i built in 2017 except 5 case fans if that counts. It still works without problems.
I upgraded last October 2023. I upgraded from an Intel i7 4790k with x5 Sata SSD's, 32GB DDR3 Ram and Nvidia GTX 1070 and I upgraded to a Intel i9 13900k (Should have got the i9 14900k!) DDR5 96GB Ram, Nvidia RTX 4070TI with x4 M.2 SSD's and the peformance for video editing and gaming was incredible!
As a PSU I bought a Lepa G1000 1000w in 2013 and it is still going strong. Ran a AMD 8250FX and 2x HD7870 crossfire. Since then it now power an ASRock B650M Pro RS , AMD 7700 and a RX 6900 XT so unless it gives up the ghost I am good.
The first and last time I upgraded my PC was around 1993. Since then I've built a new PC every 7 years on average, with generally ''best bang for the bucks" parts. My current PC I built in 2021 ( the WORST time for a new build ) and had to wait another year before I could get the GPU I wanted and could afford...so that was sort-of an 'upgrade' (from EVGA 970 GTX SSC to a Asus TUF 3060ti GDDR6X). As others have commented, it's about having the cash PLUS having the purpose ( what software and ambitions you have).
Here's the biggest tip I could ever give, based on personal revelation:
If you don't have a good monitor, buy a good monitor. My monitor was the last thing I upgraded for about ten years - was still using a fairly old one with a max 60hz refresh rate and a low response time... I upgraded to an iiyama thing with a 165hz refresh rate and a lightning fast response time and freesync.
I hadn't even upgraded my GPU yet. Was still using an RX480, and suddenly 40 FPS looked like 60. Everything was crisp, everything was smooth. I've built and rebuilt the PC over the past 15 years, and the biggest upgrade turned out to be a monitor.
So yeah, don't make my mistake - make sure you have a good monitor first. Doesn't matter if your machine can't actually hit a framerate that matches the refresh rate; you will still benefit from it.
I just bought an 4790k + 1070 build. So happy.
A iPad every three years, a laptop 3.5 years, a pc between 3 and 5 years (though you can upgrade the memory and SSD earlier to improve performance. Windows 11 for instance needs 16 GB. If your GPU shares memory then you need even more). though with advances of technology you are not going to see dramatic performance increase as we once saw in the past, just maintaining supported technology. Monitor every 5 years, keyboard and mouse when you need to.
To make it simple: Upgrade either when you can get 100%/2x more performance for the same price you got your current part(s), or if your current set-up is no longer good enough for what you do.
Also chances are that even if your setup is no longer good enough for what you do a 30% increase in performance won't be enough, anything less than 50-70% is not really an upgrade.
Thanks - it was a really good view. I actually didn't know about the PCIe Lane potential bottlenecks, so I'm going to check that shortly!
What should I upgrade next? 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5 6000 CL30, 7900 XTX, 970 evo plus 1TB + fury renegade 4TB.
The fans in the computer behind Jay start and stop really caught my eye.. couldn't stop looking 😅😅
configure the PC, determine the max power draw, multiply by 1.5-2. i look for the gold sticker at minimum, higher if you're using higher end parts
The drive thing is exactly what I'm doing on my next build. My current build has like 2 m.2 drives, 3 SSD's, and 2 HDD's because I was too stubborn to just go big the first time. When I do a new build here in a year or two, I'm literally just going to get the biggest size drive possible and the next time I get a new drive it's going to be because of a new gen or something.
Running a 9900k and 2080 Super. Coming up on 4 years with my current setup in an O11D Mini with an overkill custom loop with dual 360 rads...it still works great but I'm starting to get that itch!
Same here. I still running 9900k and 2070 super for 4+ years. Still running good
ive had mine for 4 years thinking of upgrading next year
I upgrade whenever I can get a great deal on a part (normally auctions like ebay), then I gather the used parts and often add some cheaper new or used parts and flip a whole computer this normally gets me free upgrades in the end.
The best tome ro upgrade is alwys 3 months after the new gen comes out. That way you can either get a killer deal on the previous gen OR get the new gen
I am not a PC expert by any means. In fact, I just enjoy gaming, watching Twitch, TH-cam, and some movies with my PC. I started to notice my PC felt dated. My PC was a little over 5 years old, and I did not have a God tier PC to begin with. The new PC is not all of the best of the best components, but I feel like I made a considerable leap forward. I felt it was time to upgrade when I was 5 or 6 generations behind, and my GPU died.
I just upgraded, just here for the vibes.
Keeping check on the CPU and GPU load is a good way of getting a hint of which component is holding you back from the framerates you want. Benchmarks are not really a perfect test but they can be used to see the difference between computers. Way back when the 2070 Super was new on the market both I and a friend bought one to upgrade our machines. We were also playing a lot of The Division at the time, and we ran the benchmark to compare our machines. Now the benchmark number said my computer were one or two FPS faster, but that wasn't the real revelation. My GPU had a very small factory overclock and that gave it that extra performance to the result, but what really mattered was the CPU's we had. My machine had a Intel i-6700 while his had a i9-9900K. So quite a few generations between them. During the benchmark my machine logged 102% CPU load. Yes it claimed the processor passed 100% so it was certainly totally bottlenecked. This was during the game benchmark so no gameplay from me. My friends computer logged in at 20% CPU load in the same test, and that showed when we were playing. On my machine the frame rate would sag at times, and there were things that took longer time on my machine than on his. So my machine bottlenecked on the CPU while the GPU still had some performance that wasn't used.
So look at CPU load and if it ever reach 90% or more when running the games you play then it's time to upgrade the CPU, but if it stays low and the framerate still slipps then get a faster GPU. The same can be said about GPU load. If it regularly top out when you game then it is a bottleneck.
Drives are not really something that will make your gaming a lot better, just make sure you've got enough space to it's not close to the limit.
PSU is another thing that doesn't make your machine faster. Either it is good enough or the machine will crash because it can't deliver the poser needed.
Motherboards are also generally not a big thing when you talk gaming performance. Some have more features, better sound or allow more aggressive overclocking. But that's about it really. if you don't overclock then one is mostly as god as another. The real limit is the absolute lowest range of motherboards that can either have a substandard VRM, Voltage Regulator Module. This can starve a processor so it can't boost as much as it could on other motherboards. But that's really the cheapest of the cheap motherboards. They can also use low end chipsets such as the A620 or B840. Neither of these will allow use of PBO or overclocking the processor at all. They also use slower PCIe slots than the other chipsets for AMD processors so it is possible that can hold a GPU back from delivering full performance.
So avoid the cheapest of the cheap. Aiming for the mid range will be enough to get a decent motherboard.
About the case point. I'm still using a define R4 since it came out. Have changed system in it 3 times since then. I've gotten free replacement covers and filters and I've modded it for even better sound dampening. I undervolt my cpu and gpu without loosing performance and it's super quite and cool. No need to upgrade the case so far.
Thanks, Guys. More of these videos, please. I am out of touch lately. The new stuff is a little foreign to me now. I've had to immigrate twice and been on an old laptop, but I need to build a new PC as soon as finances allow. I appreciate these videos. I need to save up for a very high end system and need to know what I will be buying and assembling. I esp. like the videos like this because certain combinations are a waste of money.
Things have changed a lot since 2018 when I gave up my PC. I still have a top of the line 1080ti card in a trunk LOL! So annoying when I need it here on this continent. As always, thanks for the videos.
Still running a R9 3900X, RTX 2070 Super and 32 RAM DDR4 3200 (Overclocked to 3400). And so far I have zero needs to upgrade. Solid machine.
I recently had to upgrade . Was on i5 quad core with a 1gb gpu. I wanted to play new games so built an entire system. Don't feel the need to upgrade as runs anything I throw at it to a level I'm happy with
I typically upgrade on a 2-5 year cadence on different parts.
Platform 5 years - other stuff 2+ depending.
I cycle my parts to friends or give them away on facebook marketplace sometimes, i've been doing that more recently due to a few issues that caused a more abrupt upgrade - mobo failure twice...Thanks Asus.
My golden rule for pc building...is it better shut up and be quiet. I overbuild my cooling for that very purpose so it makes as little noise as I can muster.
I have multiple rads in a water cooled system, and fans that can do zero rpm so the most noise I get is the odd time they spin up. I get mostly passive cooling for every day use and it can ramp up when playing games.
And I agree on the PSU side - I have a 1200w psu and the intention was to hit the peak efficiency curve of it as much as possible so it sits about 93% efficiency most of the time for a platinum grade it's solid and been a good investment despite costing £300 or so at the time.