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- How do you deal with racism among Muslims and navigate the idea of interracial marriage? This is a discussion lead by Shaykh Ammar Alshukry.
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Why was everyone pretending like the issue does not exist. I’m from a Pakistani background and can testify to the racism Pakistanis have towards Black Muslims and the same goes for Indian and Bengalis as well. And that desi woman, OMG!! She was so ignorant and refused to recognise the issue at hand.
yup black should leave that religion
Many Desis even have prejudice against darker skin Desi’s -- even harsher towards blacks 1000% it’s so horrible and I was so disappointed no one was listening to her in this video :( it’s an important discussion that can only be solved by having discussions, recognizing and acknowledging the problem, owning up to it and then becoming better from it.
And to the person who commented earlier no, absolutely not, blacks should not leave the religion and if this kind of racism is leading ppl to believe that way - I hope it is a wake up call to all the prejudiced Muslims to change their point of view
@@shaynzm3275 and what are they doing to change this behaviour? if you feel bad about it start a campaign BE THE CHANGE.
Unfortunately many of them have a spiritual in their hearts but not just them there's other ethnicities too.@@shaynzm3275
@@coolrunnings2858the only behavuour that needs to change is african behaviour
This is the exact problem I'm talking about. She is literally saying what we've been experiencing and nobody is damn listening.
Edit: I got a notification from this episode and decided to watch it again. Really just made me mad again. Seriously. The ways in which they invalidate the women in what she's saying. The Asian woman is on another level of disrespect. Having a preference is just another term for racism. Humans aren't skittles in a bag in which you can choose to discard the black ones, just because it's your "preference".
2024 edit: it's funny how life is and how life has changed for me since I wrote this comment. I'm exmuslim, racism exists with or without Islam, and even though im not Muslim, I respect the black Muslim women here putting themselves out there and trying to advocate for themselves even though it's a struggle. Till the next notification ✌️😅
I don't know, the Asian woman had a point, you can't just rule out everything else and blame someone for racism just because they didn't pick you as their spouse
mplsridah are you actually the ignorant and racist Asian/desi woman coming here to comment in your own favour? The issue of racism against Black Muslims exists and if you can’t see it than you’re part of the problem.
@@MsReader111 it for sure exists, but it's even deeper than that. a couple could be from the same country but a different region is frowned upon by the south asian and arab communities. maybe it's different in the US, but the "anything but black" thing is never something that's come up in the UK.
I hear black women all the time talk about preferring black men - but that's never seen as anything bad. It's chalked up to compatibility, and that's fine.
But full honesty, when i was a teenager i preferred girls lighter than me - which is also messed up by the way. why was that a thing? what conditioned me that way? Why did we all want "light skin" girls?
At the end of the day, it's about Character and Compatibility and Deen and Love - so if the couple in question have all of that, and the only thing in the way is race, then Astagfirullah we are fools.
Absolutely agree - racism towards blacks in the muslim community is blatant. Why do people try to deny it 🤥😔
@@TheFurchow we all have our prejudices, no one is perfect including me. I think it's great you've recognised yours, this light skin thing is in many cultures. I think people think that if they acknowledge thier prejudice they have to somehow make up for it by being with the one they were prejudiced with. You don't. You just have to be aware that your view od someone is warped because of thier race which might influence your perception of them. It's a good thing to be aware of when you get to know someone.
The issue is when we label those prejudices as something else i.e preference..yes the womens prejuidce is based on race OR don't acknowledge them because you haven't experienced them. Saying that anything but black dosnt happen in the UK just because you havent experienced it dosn't mean it dosn't exist. People also don't have to say it, it's implied by the way people talk about specific races or even within they're own race. Things like 'don't go out in the sun, you'll get too dark".
Edit: also the black women prefering black men. Literally is prejudice which is based on race. The person has to be black before they even get to know them. Which means they see the person as their race before anything else. Not because they know them. It's becayse they assume they already know the person based on the race. Again. It's just prejudice/racism labelled as something else.
Sister no need to argue with this lady, racism is prevalent in Asia and Arab culture even though they practice Islam.
The sister in the red hijab was being SO problematic. Her responses to the sister voicing her frustrations in dealing with racism in the Muslim community were insensitive and ignorant. She had the nerve to respond with "well maybe you're just being sensitive" to the sister saying why Muslims have preferences for every race EXCEPT someone Black.
This video is disappointing. Also, the other POC on the panel, including Ammar, had little or nothing to say in response to the sister in the red hijab's inappropriate responses.
My thoughts exactly!! Just goes to show the lengths black men can go to discredit our feelings in order to feel validated. Total “sheikh” behavior
Who cares about red hijab womans depression.. Why cant she accept the reality the black sister experience.. :(
The black dude is from Sudan. They think they Arab when they are African.
@@farhiyaa4880 Sudanese are Black Africans. Middle Eastern Arabs do NOT consider Sudanese as Arabs. Just like Europeans don't consider Black people who adopted European cultures as Europeans. Sudanese also suffer really bad racism in the Middle East by Middle Eastern Arabs. And in America, Sudanese suffer racism from the Middle Eastern Arab American community. So, Sudanese are self-hating black people who wish they were Arab. Sudanese also look like Black Africans even the ones who are mixed look like Black Africans.
@@farhiyaa4880 They are both.
I am a black African Muslim, for me, I can say there's extensive racism among Muslims, especially white Arab Muslims. I am saying this because I experienced it when I wanted to marry a white arab Muslim girl, this thing is really and they don't care that I am Muslim, they refuse to marry that girl because I am black. I will never forget this in my life. I have seen this in my fellow black Muslims when they wanted to marry an arab Muslim girl. Arabs are our fellow Muslims but trust me or not they are very racist to black Muslims. DO YOUR RESEARCH. InshaAllah ALLAH knows
Duuuuh! Arab slave trade!!!!
That is why islam is fake.
Here is my dilemma with this discussion. What the black sister was saying was valid, and there was a lot of invalidation going on. Having a personal preference for yourself is okay however to say to your children and community members to not marry and to stay away from POC or any other Muslim countries is indeed racist sentiments and jahiliyah that Allah condemned. Marry who you want however do not prohibit others from this as it is against the guidelines and lifestyle of practising Muslim. This is what the sister was saying and I was pretty frustrated with the gaslighting and invalidation .
Then making matters worse the Asian Sister pretty much said she doesn't want non Asian friends which is just weird. Then that whole story about someone playing load music in Canada. I knew she would say a black person being the culprit and because of this white neighbours would be scared. The sister has some real bad personality traits.
andrew bryce I caught that as well. I can see her prejudice and stereotype as she spoke. I wasn’t fooled at all. And I didn’t understand why the other members that are POC didn’t call this out. Too busy playing nice. Disappointing because they really silenced the sister and by extension those who truly feel ostracized from the worldwide Muslim community .
I definitely caught on to the invalidation too. That woman kept using her so called preference to mask her disapproval for interracial relationships.
She had valid points but she sounded entitled tbh. No one owes her marriage. I was picked last at a soccer pick-up game because I wasn't good at soccer, it had nothing to do with my race or religion. Black Americans need to stop playing the victimhood mentality card honestly. How does one rule out everything else and blame everything on racism? Is it because she had racism in her mind?
Non one owes you marriage, just like no one owes me marriage.
You cannot be Muslim and be racist/prejudice/colorist.. you are merely wearing the hijab has decoration!!
Allah is watching your actions and reading your hearts.. repent!!
Say that again. Performative hijab is real. Muslim on the outside and hypocrite on the outside. Why should you be scared of a fellow brother or sister?
When Allah created Adam He hit his right shoulder from which his descendants who are as white as pearls came out, then He hit his left shoulder from which his descendants who are as black as charcoal came out; then He said to the one’s on his right enter the Paradise and that would not diminish from My dominion to the least and He said to the one’s on his left enter Hell-fire and that would not increase anything in My dominion” (Al-Haythami & Abul-Wazir Al-Yamani)
I can't believe everyone wanted to ignore the elephant in the room that the sister was bringing...😢 May Allah guide us
I live in Jersey City New Jersey and I went to a gathering for Muslim marriage. There were over 100 women round 30 men. I filled out the application. The one Arab woman interviewed me and told me no one fit my application profile. I told her I don’t care about race and your telling me there’s no one for me. She grinned and said she will keep me in mind, can’t tell me she was judging me based on me being a so-called African American straight Racist.
When Allah created Adam He hit his right shoulder from which his descendants who are as white as pearls came out, then He hit his left shoulder from which his descendants who are as black as charcoal came out; then He said to the one’s on his right enter the Paradise and that would not diminish from My dominion to the least and He said to the one’s on his left enter Hell-fire and that would not increase anything in My dominion” (Al-Haythami & Abul-Wazir Al-Yamani)
To be honest. I am African American Muslim women and I prefer to be with African American Muslim man
There is no problem with this. It's when family members flat out reject a marriage proposal because the colour of one skin which is the problem. That's blatant racism no matter how people try to twist it.
But if someone else said that (like the Asian woman in the video) they would be called racist
andrew bryce but you didn't call her out for choosing to be with an African American men, isn't that what the Asian lady in the video said
mplsridah she wasn’t just talking about preference which is okay, but she refused to recognise the deep seated racism that exists in South Asians
you are racist
It dnt matter that people are less racist today @8:08
When if a desi’s ( example ) in this generation wanna marry a black woman or man and their family say no.. they will listen to their family
The woman or man can have everything right about thm but because they’re black they can’t marry them According to their family
… so they won’t
So what’s changing ..
It’s still racism
The Desi women just had to take the devils advocats position
She was excusing racism and it’s not a good look.
That's a figure of speech in the English language, though. She's not literally taking the devil's advocate position, smh
mplsridah she actually is the devils advocate as Satan was the first racist refusing to bow down to Adam as he thought he’s a superior creation than man. Or what the desi woman kept referring to as preference which is really a lame word to hide her superiority complex.
She acknowledges that their mother's are racist.
Subhanallah this is so interesting to watch , keep up the good work insha allah❤️
I understand the problems the sister is pointing out. I am from Bosnia, hence I'm white. My family knows I'm actively looking for a African Muslim woman and they're only response was, marry whoever you'd like as long as they are Muslim. I understand that's not everyone in the Muslim community. I once asked a Somali friend, although jokingly (approach asking a friend for his sister hand with caution 😄), if I could marry his sister, he replied "you're white, my father wouldn't allow it".
Which leads me to believe a lot of it is simply cultural.
@@yoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx yes girl! You got someone in mind?
Somalians are racist? Wtf. So negros can be like that too huh? I heard they wouldn't even consider blacks from other African countries. Blacks in the comments should deal with that before condemning the Asian community.
@@yoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Wowwwwie! You go girl!
Tell each other where you are from and your ages!!!
A youtube marriage might happen!
@@samsmith6279 Brother, tell her where you live and your age!
@@xSunnyDaysx good idea!
Prophet muhammad sal, said: There is no diffrence between an Arab and non-Arab, and white and black
What the Prophet (saw) said and what's in reality are very different. Racism still exists in the world and especially in the Muslim communities
mplsridah and? That statement was part of a sermon that were meant to teach us and rectify ourselves. Just because it exists doesn’t mean we ignore it and belittle the teachings of our Prophet (saw).
If they weren’t different they wouldn’t have different descriptions 🤓
Quoting Hadith doesn't change the issues at hand.
A lot of people are fake religious just for power and division.
These people are being intentionally dim. They know exactly what she is talking about. They just don't want to own up to it.
Im not a Muslim but it's bad enough that outside of religion black women are chosen last if at all for marriage. To be in a religion that forbids racism and teaches all races are the same to still be last on the totem poll is truly sad. Just appreciate all your sisters equally
Also Islam places alot of importance on marriage and raising a family. To be a black woman that is passed over has to feel like a slap in the face and like you are not given equal opportunity to please Allah in this way. My heart goes out to this sister💜
In Islam we know. Everyone is equal. However we have have a mentally that just because one gets rejected we straight jump to pull a card. Anyone else yes but as Muslims we should be more clever. It's preference. It can be based on anything. It's that simple. I can get rejected based on it but I won't call it racism. It's their right. We should have have a weak mentality. Speaking like this shows weak faith and mentality. It's taken from non Muslims and not from Islam. This is being said and ofc non of us believe our races a better. So using this as a card is not from Islam and shows weakness. Maybe why as a nation we are failing. That being said people who are least likely to marry a sister from Africa are actually people from same region.
but marriage and kiddos are not obligatory lol I'm a black muslim who doesn't want a fam soo😂
@@Justasademo Allah Swt said READ! So READ your Quran and Hadiths! READ for an understanding! Marriage is Obligatory! It is Half of your Deen (Faith)!
When Allah created Adam He hit his right shoulder from which his descendants who are as white as pearls came out, then He hit his left shoulder from which his descendants who are as black as charcoal came out; then He said to the one’s on his right enter the Paradise and that would not diminish from My dominion to the least and He said to the one’s on his left enter Hell-fire and that would not increase anything in My dominion” (Al-Haythami & Abul-Wazir Al-Yamani)
Assalaamu alaykum. This was genuinely hard to watch for a lot of reasons. Allah knows best. This is an important discussion and I hope it’s revisited in a more productive way inshaaAllah.
No one is listening to understand what she is actually saying
She isn't saying anything beneficial, she's crying about being picked at last
mplsridah if you didn’t find the points she raised beneficial than she was talking about people like you.
@@MsReader111 well said
@@mplsridah bully
@@mplsridah and you’ve been spewing racism under this post may Allah SWT guide you
My sister you spoke the truth and the other sister that tried to down play it by using the word preference was really saying she doesn't prefer a black man.in this day and age we black people are still treated like outsiders by our own Muslim community . preference the way the other lady use it is blanket racism.
I'm appalled. The problem is the so-called shayke leading this community and his lack of understanding social issues in the Ummah. Not everyone who can repeat arabic like a tape recorder is fit to lead a community. Maybe lead the theologically based discussions but not discussions like this.
Because the Prophet said two things will never leave, does not mean we should give up. In fact, we should work even harder to stay away from those evil characteristics.
When u both wanrt each other but the family rejects you cause you're black or from a different race ? THAT'S racism.
It's not post colonial. It existed in the Quran itself. Bilal was made fun of for being black and called a slave.
can you mentioned exactly where it was made fun of bilal in the Quran? Quran teaches us that we all came from one parent ( Adam and Eve) and we are all related. And the prophet had to preach again and again to his people that no one is superior over anyone. I think you are confusing the backward culture of racism the existed not only in Arabian but all over the world in old times with the teaching of the Quran. I recommend you should read the Quran for yourself ( re-read it again with an open mind and heart if you have already read it). You can download “ the clear Quran “ in App Store. Stay healthy and safe, peace!
Yes in many cultures anti-blackness predated the arrival of european colonisers and their pseudo-science/eugenics. For example, the caste system in the subcontinent, in Arabia they had their own slave trade which extended into Africa- creating tribalism/racism and colorism; as well as in the Far east where dark skin was associated with slave labour and inferiority.
@@kckc4258 In a Hadith Bilal was called a Son of a Black woman by one of the companions.
@@Midnight-og3rk Blossom yes The Hadiths in Islam mentioned one of mohammads own companions called another a son of a black woman. Black people were looked down on during that time.
@@alexojideagu even now dude
Our great Prophet Muhammad was a White man and he was completely accepted and loved by all the locals where he was born and lived! (Peace be upon him).
In the same way we accept and love our Middle Eastern and African brothers and sisters who are born as British in the UK today our great Prophet was accepted completely as a Foreigner in the Middle East in his time! (Pbuh). This proves how open minded we were even back in those days! ❤️
Nationalism did not apply back in the days of our great Prophet! Remember that he as a White man said that we are all EQUAL! We Muslims need to remember this and respect everybody regardless of their skin. 🙏 Alhamdulilah. Blessings to all my Muslim brothers and sisters no matter what colour you are.
Very disrespectful discussion. They didn't even listen to what the black sister had to say.
Having a personal preference isn't an issue, the issue is forcing one's preference on their children and loved ones. The sister in the red khimar had the nerve to tell the African-American sister to have an open mind when she needs to have an open mind.
The Desi sister and the Black sister are both completely right. Unfortunately the point went over her (Desi lady) head completely. The Black muslimah was saying people who try to justify openness to EVERY race BUT black people are racist and its wrong. Then the Desi sister continues to justify logical preference for wanting something similar. Its not the same. Someone, for example, who is Desi and is opened to marry a white revert from Greenland or a Latino from Peru but wouldn't marry a black person is simply racist and their preference is just that. Racist. However, for someone to want to keep it within themselves and marry someone from their country or neighboring countries with similar politics and culture is highly justifiable.
Would you call her racist if she said she OaNzLY want to marry a black man? No whites or Peruvians?
The lady has no interest in admitting that anti-Black is a very real thing in the Muslim world. I just watched an Iraqi guy talk about how half his family won't even talk to him because he married a Black women.
Very interesting subject.....
Also can we stop using the word "preference" in the wrong context. A "Preference" is were you like something more than something else however you're still OPEN to try things other than what you like.
Being open to every ethnic group and race but Black, is in its mild form discriminatory or at its worst racist.
In Allah's words we are all equal, its actions and deeds that define the best of us.
Abdullahin1 well said brother
Why do you want to stop using a word just because you don't agree with it?
Interesting, let's ban the phrase "interracial marriage" then.
You wouldn't like it, would you?
The Asian lady didn't say she's open to everyone but black though, you just interpreted it how you wanted it
Interesting to have racism & culturalism existing on a panel about racism and having no true dialogue to address it.
First of all, ask Allah to remove the racism from your hearts.
The Asian woman said when you are not familiar with something you become apprehensive of it. That's the problem right there she doesn't try to get familiar with black people and this goes against what Allah teaches us in the Quran, Allah said He created us different tribes and nations not for us to dispise one another but to know one another... you see the phrase know one another, that is the Asian woman problem she doesn't put forth the effort to get to know black people therefore she despise them, that's what she meant when she spoke about being unfamiliar with the black people.it is truly said she is presenting herself as a Muslim with these ridiculous thoughts and to paint over it by keep saying maybe this white man or Asian man gets her joke that is what she is basing on for choosing a mate then I feel sorry for her because when khadijah wanted to marry the prophet Muhammad it was not base on whether he gets her joke or not she looked at his character and how he treated other people.
She’s definitely a problem and has a bias
Its true, you will eat with an Arab, indian, pakistan and your black, but they will not allow you to marry their daughter when your black. There is nothing like preference, the prophet said choose his religion and manners
Mmwe abaddugavu gubasinga! Abantu abo mubanoonyako ki?!
Ate olaba abawarabu baasosolanga Bilal, nga Nabbi waali?! Baamummira ddala omukazi?!
Mutandikewo amasinzizo agammwe, abaddugavu, nga temukkiriza mweru yenna kusaaliramu.
Abasiraamu abatali baddugavu basinga n'abakabbulu ba South Africa obusosoze. Era nze ky'ova olaba sikkiririza mu concept ya " Muslim Ummah" .
Nze sisaalira ddala na musiraamu yenna atali muddugavi. Period.
did you try to have arab or pakistani wife? bad experience?
And what's the problem with that? Also, why would any man in his sane mind give their daughter to a black male knowing the reputation you have and knowing what you've done to your own women? No one wants their daughter to be a single mother or to be physically abused. I DO NOT blame those nations of men at all and I'm saying this as a bw myself. EVERYONE should avoid having a bm as a spouse including bw themselves.
I'm a revert, and I have suffered discrimination within the muslim community.
That’s not true and it’s lie statistically it has been proven that black men are with their children and family and the majority of black families are together your talking about racist tv program that progress on making black people look bad so your lying and are not true about your prejudice views on black people
I am so glad that my parents raised me to understand different faiths and nationalities. It is good to know Muslms are no different but just as racist as everyone else.
When Allah created Adam He hit his right shoulder from which his descendants who are as white as pearls came out, then He hit his left shoulder from which his descendants who are as black as charcoal came out; then He said to the one’s on his right enter the Paradise and that would not diminish from My dominion to the least and He said to the one’s on his left enter Hell-fire and that would not increase anything in My dominion” (Al-Haythami & Abul-Wazir Al-Yamani)
1 reason why I left the Deen after 30 plus years, everybody and 1 of the 5 pillars says to marry,yet so many Muslims aren't, due to racism, whether they confess it or not, it's sad,Islam is getting just as worse as Christianity
18:16 to 19:16 was EVERYTHING and the sister in the red hijab was convicted.
She kept saying “but it’s natural, we’re human, it’s natural…”
Are we not called to be aim to supersede our basest natures for the sake of Allah?
"Which is basically racism." Yes sis MashaAllah! Also when the brother said "I never knew I was black until a police officer told me"... wow. So sad. We must work to change this as an ummah and as humans above all.
He never had a mirror in his house?
AssalamuAleikoum ,
Friends what the sister is saying is so true.
I am a single professional Dark black African ⚫ single mother.
For more than 10 years I tried but... It looks like it can be challenging. All blessings are from Allah.
1_ Off course there are preference so ( White, Own race , Mexican and Black at the bottom of the shelf)
2_ I want someone suni same Aquidah.
3_ I put everything on Allah s Wisdome.
4_ Woman are dating Christian
5_ Black women are removing their hijab...
Love u for the sake of Allah.
Na its to do with their personalities
Alhamdu lilahi this is a good discussion. I think what Sheikh Ammar is correct in terms of conditioning. Education , awareness, and more discussion is needed.
This statement about personal preference in the color of the person to marry is racism. We are not talking about food, a place to live, a type of car.
This discussion was very disheartening how they downplayed everything the sister said. Very articulate and well spoken, your faith should never supersede your race. The brother in the black outfit with the white kufi is very condescending and rude.
He's scared to voice his real opinion trying to appease the other races
Thank you for that topic and discussion. The topic is complex so there are a lot of shades. BUT racism is definitivly one huge dimension. So its important to differentiate between those dimensions. If we look in the different muslim communities and states we see that fair skin is almost everytime preferred. Sadly.
RACISM IN ISLAM: Some verses:
Quran-(55:72): “Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;”
Quran-(55:70-77): “ In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…”
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."
Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256, See Also Sahih Bukhari 1:11:662, Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664
I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9:61] " Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's *****.
It is also written that allah will BLACKEN the faces of the unbelievers.(Quran, Sura 39:60)
In addition there are also different versions of the Quran. The Warsh version is mostly followed by Africans while the Hafs version is followed by people of the Middle East.
The following verses differ between the Warsh version (popular in Africa) and the Hafs versions (popular in Middle East) of the Quran: 7:57, 9:37, 2:259, 3:81, 6:96, 1:4, 2:140, 2:125, 3:146, 2:132, 91:15, 2:132, 3:133, 5:45, 2:139, 3:81, 2:259, 2:214, 2:9, 2:184 & 28:48."
“We are human beings but Muslims should be more sensitive to others “. Thank you Sheikh for bringing it back to the Quran. Reminding us to reflect. We often are quick to criticize, label, and treat others who are different than us in a negative way. May Allah Subhana wa ta a,ala unite our hearts. ❤
THAT WHAT'S WRONG , WITH US , STOP GOING PLACE WERE YOUR NOT WANTED. LOVE OF SELF COMES FIRST.DO FORSELF, OR SUFFER . NOTNIG WRONG WITH LOVING SELF FIRST STILL WYNING AND BLAMMING OTHER PEOPLE.
I couldn’t even watch it all, the two ladies in Red are blanket racists. The one in the middle laughing when there’s nothing funny in the conversation and the Desi lady was just scuffling to justify her racist behavior behind clod doors
If they said they only want black men that would be fine tho right? Not racist?
I could never waste my time being a Muslim with the denials and deception and dishonesty.
My ex fiance was Muslim and he became racist towards me. I knew I was going to suffer in that marriage. He called me more worthless than an arab woman. 😮
I think battling racial/cultural/tribal preferences is definitely a conversation to be had. However, I don't think anyone would want to be with someone that had to be challenged intellectually to see me (for example) as their equal. One conversation that I think SHOULD be had is one concerning parents/grandparents not allowing their progeny to marry someone of different racial/cultural/tribal background. The effects of this is specifically and tangibly felt within the community.
Also, the girl with red hijab is lost.
Yes the Desi sister on the end in the red hijab is really invalidating. Seeking common ground is fine but that’s not what the Black sister in the white hijab was saying. When you are weeding out potential partners you haven’t even met yet based on race (and not even culture) that’s not seeking a someone who gets your jokes or enjoys your food. How do you know I don’t like Indian cuisine? I do.
I am black and Muslim and male.
I believe if the family is basically okay with interracial than it's should be okay.
I remember a few blacks wanted me to marry a black woman who was so unattractive to me, I absolutely refused .
There was a white woman that was interested in me and I was attracted to this white woman.
It was our decision and I never felt racism amongst Muslims.
I have seen where all women no matter what color seem to like me, even women who were white that would not date your average black but they liked me, even women from the south where they would lynch black men seem to like me whether society was against me or family, I guess I could breakdown the norms.
I think because I was good looking in my younger days but now I am fat .
I knew lots of white and Mexican women and white Muslim women who called me Samson.
I passed up many black women, because I thought the white women were prettier, but I also new very pretty black women.
I also knew many Mexican women of whom I have children from 3 different Mexican girls.
The sister doesn’t know it but she’s ready to leave Islam. She brought forward very interesting and relevant discussion points and everyone evaded them like a sly fox.
Young lady opened Pandora’s box and the panel was not ready
I totally agree that racism is a deep rooted problem we have as an ummah. All muslims shall be viewed as equal regardless of their race, social class, etc. Only taqwa that matters in the sight of Allah. Individual preference is also influenced by cultural/social values that can be racist and therefore, these types of preferences should be called out. It's not okay and should not be normalised. We also need to be reflective as to why we view people based on specific criteria, other than taqwa. Cause honestly, shouldn't we try to align our perspectives to Allah's way to value His slaves?
Yea, surely, ppl are entitled to their choices & preferences. But we, ourselves, need to be concerned and shall be self-reflective for our own sake.
Your personal preference...mmm. Your personal preference is YOURS but now I ask, would you allow your daughter to marry HER personal preference which may be a black man? And the answer in A LOT of Muslim families especially Asians & Arabs is NO. Let’s call it what it is and stop pretending. Another thing, saving a person from oppression. How can anyone begin to stop that oppression or injustice by making that excuse forever from generation to generation. It’s like that saying, ‘bad things happen because good men do nothing.’ Well, human beings have been fighting for that right for generations and for this to rear its UGLY head in Islam is a travesty, it is shocking and it is unacceptable.
TOTALY AGREE
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Most Middle Eastern Arabs do NOT want to marry Black men or Black women. 99% of Middle Eastern Arabs are only attracted to Middle Eastern Arabs and other kinds of Middle Eastern people (Iranians, Turks, Armenians). It's disgusting how many Black Christians and Black Muslims are so obsessed with Middle Eastern Arabs when most Middle Eastern Arabs don't even want to date or marry Black people.
It always comes down to the black man. Why didn't you use a black woman as an example? What is wrong with the black woman?
@@petestreet7535black women and men go through it
I sometimes having a preference for another race can offend people I know because I done in my past before I come a Muslim. I think it is better to say to someone it is not going to work because we have a personality clash than race preference.
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Yes, it's called fetishizing
We are dealing with two dynamics, racism and colorism.
First Quran written By African Sister
The reason black and white muslims are treated differently is because of the British society you are living in has taught them that way and they do this even in the colonies they are occupying these days through a concept called 'nation states'. Thats the root cause of the racism that exists between muslims. Islam is the only religion that had successfully eliminated racism from its adherents but Anglo-British pagans were not going to tolerate that. Hence the directionless discussion you are having.
Isn't that what the conversation is all about? " treating differently "
Why parents do that and claim to be Muslim
Interracial marriages are able to happen, and I have seen more of BM&WM(of any variation) together than I have BW&WM(of any variation) and I personally would like black sisters to do their best and achieve whatever they want, be it interracial marriage, or anything else good. Just try, you could be surprised how loving other races' families are to you!
It is so interesting, a lot of black men (Muslims) possibly don't get a lot of sets back as the black Muslimah does. And is it wrong to think that at this point in time, if BW would be scrutinized/judged to even get their race of men to marry, then, BM should understand this and extend a kind courtesy to their BW and marry them instead, since the other race (desirable) women regardless, would always get someone to marry them? Wasn't this done during the Prophet's time, when the Sahaba would marry widows, and slaves, and protect them? And like the girl in the black Hijab said, now, black people (sisters, brothers) want to stay together because of so much hurt they have felt from other Muslims. I do hope that we always stay together when we meet one another, not after 5-10 years, and we look back to wonder, "oh I should have stayed closer to my sisters or brothers!" It is ridiculous, why not then?
Preference can be questioned sometimes, and I have experienced the subtle nuances of racism from many.
Us as black people have to know that no other race as a whole like us. We should use it as feul not a way to depress ourselves.
Preference can be disguised as low key racism. Allah Ta'ala will judge us for our inner intentions on Judgement Day. Being denied acceptance because of something you cant change
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The people in the panel are racist af.
Even the guy who was supposed to be the moderator is racist.
The lack of accountability or even listening skills and I am really sorry for the black sister trying to open their eyes to the internal racism.
Preference is okay,
It’s the I am open to everyone but the problem
shes fighting so hard to be racist
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What did Allah and His messenger say? That's how we ahoild approach any issue in my view.
We are called Muslims by Allah and His messenger and told to put above everything in our affairs.
Everything else is us giving our opinions.
The sister is correct that is a haddithe that’s says racism won’t leave his Umma. That’s does not mean that we are not to confront it or fight against it. He peace be upon him dwelt with racism and tribalism ever time he saw it.
Can't hear them
“You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has anv superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one”. If you are racist, if you have a preference, outside someone strong in faith, can you really call yourself a Muslim? Do you insist you know better than the most high ?
If you're not into iy, you're just not into it. That doesn't mean you are racist
It shouldn't matter who you married long as they treat you well. I thought Islam prohibited discrimination 🤔
Don’t force yourself on others! Plenty of black Muslims in Africa. Go get your spouse there if you can’t find any where you are.
I don’t think education will change anything. Black people we just need to wait until judgement day who knows maybe Allah will put all black people in heaven
Lol we black people will go to Jannah because we are black? I hope black Muslims will go to Jannah because they worshipped Allah and that Allah is pleased with us. I don't want to go to Jannah because I am poor black who has faced racism.
No stupid. Just learn to love and appreciate your OWN race and stop looking up to other races to accept you. I'm brown but refuse to stoop to other races when there are women of my own race available. When you go on dating sites select your own race NOT race doesn't matter and then come crying on YT.
I feel the exact same problem the other way around... an arab who actually "prefers" african american sisters is looked at strangely for that preference...
I know 2 specific brothers having this problem... the sisters they talk to at the end say "you would not fit into my family culture as an arab"
The African American sisters are right. Marry your own kind you weirdo. It will be hard for you to integrate into an African household. We have different customs, language, values and cultural upbringing. Most Arab brothers that approach African sisters for marriage only do it for sex. Islam doesnt even encourage interracial marriage. I would never give my daughter to an Arab guy. Allah has made us into different tribes and ethnicities that we may get to know one another. Not to mix you weirdos😂😂😂😂😂. By mixing we destroy our unique ethnic backgrounds Allah had blessed us with.
@@mrhassanali3297 😂😂😂 see then u get people so upset when the African American brother tries to approach an arab girl... 🤔 I dont think the brothers who were interested in another race is doing it for the sex (Alhamdulilla as muslims we dont do that premarital sex to "try out" different races) I think there is a genuine level of attraction and there is nothing wrong with that in Islam. What's wrong is having that attraction in your heart and marrying someone of the same race that your not attracted to.
@@mrhassanali3297 A question if I may?" Islam doesn't encourage interracial marriages" that's rather a bold statement ,is there any backup to that claim religious wise ? thank you
@@beautifulscenery8770 Asalamu aleykum. Islam doesnt encourage nor discourage interracial marriages. Our religion has a neutral stance on this topic. I was addressing the Islamic scholars who like to twist certain verses of the quran to their liking and decieve people into believing our religion encourages interracial marriages. They use the verse of the Quran about Allah making us into different tribes and ethnicities to push interracial marriages on us. Firstly that verse doesnt encourage interracial marriages. The main message of that verse was for us to acknowledge the unique ethnic identities Allah has blessed us with.
I believe interracial marriages will not work out. People should just marry a person of the same culture as them to ensure stability and a smooth transition into marriage. In these interracial marriages you will have to deal with culture clash, unsupportive family members, language barriers, racism and many more which is hard to cope with for the most part. Omar suleiman is comfortably married to a women from the same culture as him but expects us to give our daughters and sons to people who we are not fimilar with their upbringing and culture.
In order to ensure stability and a smooth transition to marriage than I would recommend to marry a person that has the same culture as you. Some sheikhs on TH-cam are fake and would not give an honest reality on interracial marriages. We need to look at reality rather than this happy-clapped we are all one belted in islamic unity that frankly doesnt exist. Jazakallahu khair
@@mrhassanali3297 Opinions aside، I would like to know from Islamic point of view, you have said Islam has a neutral stance on interacial marriages ,that being said it'll require an Islamic source or daleel of some sort , my question was is there a daleel or something similar backing that Islamic wise?shukran
Actually there was more acceptance of interracial marriage during the time of the Prophet (SAW) than today! He even said "the best generation of Muslims are those who are with me and three generations after me."
You mean the companions is the first generation, then the generation after them, and the generation after them. So it's the 2 generations after Muhammad ﷺ and his companions.
@@Yeye0knn alhamdulillah Brother, thanks for the correction
2:13 who interviewed those Muslimahs? Any link?
He blamed Anti Blackness on Colonialism. What version is he talking about. European or Arab?
"None of you will believe until you love for your brother what you love for yourself." Related by Bukhari & Muslim". Adopting racism in your heart is doing the work of Shaytan. "O ye who believe! follow not Satan's footsteps: if any will follow the footsteps of Satan, he will (but) command what is shameful and wrong: and were it not for the grace and mercy of Allah (SWT) on you, not one of you would ever have been pure: but Allah (SWT) doth purify whom He pleases: and Allah (SWT) is One Who hears and knows (all things)." Holy Quran 24:21.
So, If you say you believe in Allah (SWT) and you practice racism, or any discrimination, even in your heart, you are committing sin. Ask Allah (SWT) for forgiveness and never be racist again. May Allah (SWT) bless the believers to be successful in this world and the next.
The women red hijab put me off this video instantly
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This is sad . I felt exactly were she was coming from and they all were ignoring the real issue
The Muslim sister who’s doing all the talking I don’t know her nationality but she has the black and white sweater on I feel like she is not open today in Black people or her family is not open to except a hard date in the black person it’s just my personal feeling I could be wrong but thought about the Sister because it seems like she’s a very defensive about explaining herself about the situation
Pakistani Muslims often are racist towards Non Pakistani Muslims not just African Muslims it may not make anything better but it is not only African Muslims who face this prejudice
That's your experience I'm sad, I personally never felt that way. My dad woud accept anyone who is muslim for bro and sisters
All I here is I wanna be in your club but you won’t let me 🤒
NOBODY IS ACC HEARING THR SISTER
this was very uncomfortable conversation for the panel.
If you have been told chicken tastes bad than beef and you have been fed beef all your life with a certain agenda (to increase chicken sales maybe lol) then your preferences can and will likely be wrong. They will probably not be your real preferences.
Please STOP using colonialism as an excuse.
So you are saying God made a mistake
If god wanted us to be mixed then we would be mixed!
People, We created you all from a single man and a single woman, and made you into races and tribes so that you should recognize one another. In God’s eyes, the most honoured of you are the ones most mindful of Him: God is all knowing, all aware.
- Surah Hujraat, verse 13
No they are treated equally but i have learned it is better to marry within your own race culture
This Asian woman on the Panel was "Gaslighty" as hell
So what is the disgust and hatred toward a muslim (and their partner in life) who marries an atheist or christian/other religion called? Like, we cant call it racism but I think the treatment of us is HORRIBLE and many times not even lawful, but what is that kind of bigotry called?
"just the way it bc of the religion and Gods views" sounds a lot like racism when whites proclaim their above black people. It's a humanity issue.
It's not disgust or hatred. It's simply legislation that's divinely-guided. A Muslim can marry whomever they want. However, that marriage isn't recognized as valid within the scope of Islam and the Islamic worldview. It's the same as the prohibition toward alcohol. Specifically prohibited. However, can a Muslim consume alcohol? Sure. In the instance that they do, they are transgressing against themselves and Divine guidance. The key objective here is to preserve the sanctity of the family structure that is geared towards the worship of God. Marrying an atheist goes against that objective in principle. More on that can be found here in this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL9kNYOUgRrmdzFNdNIErXdMqdMZ4YTHlV.html
Let's not pretend that Africa hasnt been divided by "color" because Arabs that moved to the continent 700 years ago DO NOT want to be identified as African. Hence, "north Africa" and "Sub-Saharan". The lines have been drawn. Sisters and brothers needs to do the work and appreciate how colorism and racism is woven into the culture. It is only through sincere work that healing is achieved. Pretending that food and "cultural traditions" are insurmountable obstacles in dating is absolutely absurd. I was born in the U.S. and LOVE Mediterranean/Middle Eastern food, food from all over Africa. Food from all over Latin America. I love Indian food. When i meet people that i think are interesting that live differently than i do, im curious about their customs and music and traditions. All that being said, someone seeking a mate for life will share in your culture/traditions, as you should in theirs.
Sister, people should choose companions to Hanna out with based on good character. Hew do you get to know other ethnicities if you only hang out with Asians? Allaah created us differently so that we might know each other.
What about me. I'm afraid of marriage, period.
If you are comfortable with your own culture what is wrong with that .
It wasn’t about that many ppl said they could marry outside culture except black because racist
Speaking on the interracial marriage aspect, to be honest I don't know why some black muslims make it a life mission to marry outside their race; particularly an Arab. We all know most people prefer to marry within their culture and there's nothing wrong with that. However to go as far as to say that it's "hard for black muslims to find a spouse" after you denied so many Africans or black American muslims because you're in pursuit of an Arab is crazy. Then you go ahead and label all Arabs as racist because they don't want their daughter to marry you. Insane. West Africa alone has more muslims in sub-Africa than any other outside it. Philadelphia, Minnesota, Washington, and New Jersey has so many black American and African muslims. Please let's stop the cap.
It's ignorance unfortunately. It's the mentally some of the muslums have on all sides. It's a person choice if they want to marry based on whatever reason or reject on whatever reason.
Very true. Both black Muslim men and women complain about the same problem of finding it difficult to find a spouse… yet the won’t be with each other - the elephant in the room.
But still... you can't refuse a couple from getting married if they want to because they are of different races, even if you are their family. That is just racism. Most people don't want to marry outside their races because of such judgment they get from fellow family and fellow race and thats overrules preference and cycle repeats with the next generation...
@@evansamuk5240The only people who ever advocate and argue for interracial marriages are always black males. No other group of people has an issue marrying their own except for yours. Why is this always a discussion amongst you lot? Time to look inside and review your intentions.
The Muslim sister with the burley Kemah on. She don’t Deal with Black people or black Muslims. You can tell How do we say we Muslim and we deal with racism each other as Muslims No disrespect to anybody if I see somebody I like white black green yellow if I like that person that person like me and we get along with each other and we decide to get married to each other my mother is not gonna tell me I can’t marry this person no disrespect to your mother or anybody else but you love who you love and if they don’t don’t want to come around me because I’m married to a black woman or Indian woman or Chinese woman they don’t come around me but this is who I choose to marry
0:50 the exact answer I'd given her.
Of course you would....very beneficial 😒
It would be racism if there are NO black women left in the world. But there are millionsssss. Just like if there's no halal meat in the country then supermarket chicken is allowed.
Then his mom is racist…and it’s being dragged on from generations to generations..Point she’s making .. (response to 8:56 )