They might be so heavily armed because nobody else in the galaxy would exactly be happy to see them… the company is probably protecting their investments from being destroyed
I remember it being implied somewhere that all their neighbors despise them. Though I've no idea where I saw it. Come to think if it, I think it was Rick's own speculation on another video.
Doubtful. Think of them as garbage barges. One disappears and it's a write-off. No crew to pay and the garbage is ultimately gone. That's how their society seems to be set up.
Nah I think there's a ferengi rule of acquisition that encourages long term investment and resource management. Why sell one sucker 5 ships for 10 years when you can ship of theseus him the same ship for 50 years and get him with the sunk cost fallacy?
@@kyuvenno it's more money spent isn't money earned. Gotta have that hoard. If STO was the timeline I can see major reforms because Ferengi will sanction Malon and destroy ships on sight.
The real answer would be that the Ferengi would no longer be allowed to trade if they dumped waste (knowingly). There is no Federation were the Malon live.
Why waste haulers would need to be so heavily armed seems fairly obvious to me, their dumping operations have likely earned them a Lot of ill will and enmity among their neighbours.
with how ridiculously large space is in volume and how empty it is, it would be easy to find a place to dump their crap where noone cares, just go to the empty space between starts and there you go, nothing around for a a lightyear or two at the very least in any given direction, it would take many hundreds of thousands of years for it to become anyones concern.
@@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 Such a place, however, would likely be fairly remote; and thus, lacking in additional business venture opportunities for the ship's crew.
@@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 That what their reasoning behind it -that said apparently other races might strongly object to polluting their territory even if it's empty - and act accordingly. Basically wars can start due to this.
We can’t forget their quite obnoxious move of blasting enemy vessels with clouds of gaseous waste… At least as far as Star Trek Online is concerned, that stuff eats right through shields!
@@colemurphy2063 the radiation those barges carries wreaks havoc on ships’ systems, shields and hull plating. This is why the Malon are best engaged from a distance
@@angelsandautobots Agreed, especially since I invest more into shields than the average player... Usually a few blasts with Beam Overload III covers the distance issue.
@@EGRJ I'm sure there is a relation. I think someone in the show was a fan of the game or at least thought the name was a good idea. So the game would be the father and the character would be related.
Fun fact: that particular led villain led me and my brother into an interesting (and tangentially relevant to this video) hypothetical. We found out that water is a REALLY good radiation shield ('XKCD: what if' did calculations on swimming on the pool used to store spent reactor rods. You die from hypothermia first, apparently). I remembered the stereotypical 'villain dumping radioactive waste into the ocean', and since my brother was studying nuclear reactor design, I thought it would be a fun idea to figure out the damage of such an act with literally ALL of the uranium on Earth (though experiment, so we're just going with "magic" to set this up). We were starting to look up the necessary stats, models, and geometry before we found one fact that caused us to burst out laughing and scrap the entire project. Turns out ~99% of Earth's uranium is dissolved across the entire Earth's ocean naturally. So while nuclear waste is much more radioactive than natural uranium (citation needed), we realized that arguing over the damage caused by putting radioactive materials BACK into the world's current container for much of it's radioactive materials is a little bit silly. That, and apparently any radiation from this ridiculous thought experiment pales in comparison to... airplane flights (yeah, turns out flying above the atmosphere that normally shields us from the sun's radiation causes "airline stewards" and "airline pilots" to be the professions that get the most radiation on average). Who knew?
We get confirmation that the Kazon are so primative the Borg don't consider them worth Assimilation, i suspect the Malon would also be given this dubious 'blessing' as well. Sure their tech is more advanced than the Kazon, but their ships literally have nothing that would be attractive to the collective, and their entire fleet are basically garbage barges, the Collective definately isn't going to want those. So them rejecting the tech that could 'purify' their civilisation could also be seen as them saying "Yeah...we'd like to stay _off_ the Borg Collective's radar, thanks."
Not neceserily - those barges are basically full of antimatter - borg could use that garbage and process it to something way more usefull - and since they haul trillions of tons at once - it would be quite a prize - so don't discount the worth of that material.
Remember when the Queen was trying to get Seven to program a nanoprobe virus for the Collective? These things would be a BOON to any plan involving that method of assimilation.
I would disagree. The Borg "feared" the hoomans, because of their potential. Their current resources and biological matter, weren't interesting at all. The Borg were somewhat interested into the Talaxians, because they made excellent drones for a particular purpose. Yes, the radiation-saturated materials of a Malon ship, are most likely a VERY low-tier resource to the Borg. Same goes for their tech. However... We've seen Malon flesh being radiation-saturated, and still being "fully" functional. That's a very rare biological feature. And that would be an amazing resource to have for the Borg. Worth sending in a cube or 2.
Regarding the huge smoke plumes of old locomotives, that is actually a myth. The locomotives typically release very little smoke, but the problem is that audiences are enthralled by the smoke they can produce. So if anyone is wanting to shoot a movie or a picture for a calendar or whatever, they ask the engineer to run the locomotive in a condition that produces the biggest smoke cloud possible. Its similar to how diesel trucks generally produce no noticeable smoke, but you can modify them to "roll coal".
Also all steam engines need to let out eccess or they will explode this is still very much true for all steam eninges even in the most advanced nuke reactors hince why colling towers are needed and what the constant plumes are... just steam made form the boiling water mad from the heat of the reactor...
While the fireman and engineer will attempt to run the locomotive as clean as possible, that's just not always going to happen due to changing conditions and skillset. Plenty of more modern videos of heavily loaded engines throwing up lots of darker smoke. What you do see a lot of is condensate. While not pollution, most people don't understand the difference. Watch one running in cooler weather, they end up being hard to see through their condensate plume.
Kinda overlooking the "garbage scow" in TNG that was so radioactive that the Enterprise's shields couldn't handle it. So, these would be the second-most toxic ships.
@@danielkorladis7869they explicitly did; metaphasic shields can protect against stellar dives but were only invented in a later season. By an altruistic ferengi, of all things.
That part never made a lick of sense. There is no way that the shields would be able to block ray weapons which are radiation of a much higher energy state but not be able to block radiation from that garbage scow which is radiation of a lower energy.
@@GeorgeMonet Personally, I think it was the result of an advanced civilization centuries ahead of the Federation that had developed their technology without working on ways to handle their waste like the Mazon, and their highly advanced technology had created some spectacularly powerful waste. We've seen with the Borg and in other scenarios that shields aren't perfect and with the right circumstances can be penetrated. Real world radiation comes in numerous forms, with Alpha able to be blocked by paper, and Gamma being only blocked by lead. We've had Trek casually throw around terms like 'Theta' for their radiation in the past, so there's plenty to imply that Trek regularly has to handle higher tiers of radiation. However, that doesn't mean they can perfectly block even the highest tiers.
@@GeorgeMonet it is possibly far easier for an energy shield to block a high-intensity radiation beam for short durations and in a very small point than it is for the same shield to have to block out an entire facing or more of moderate radiation for a continuous duration.
The question is the same like with normal materials - not every reaction is desirable - if you want a stable system - you need to perform the same reaction at all times - to be predictable. using that waste of various materials would lead to unstable systems - like massive fluctuations of output of energy - which would be highly undesirable to say the least it could even lead to runaway reactions that could lead to blowing up whatever it was trying to use it and as you can imagine that would be an issue for those who would have to actually operate that kind of machinery. It is also explained in Voyager that Malon's are not particularly advanced in regards of making proper converters that could deal with byproducts in a safe and predictable manner. In compraison to our world - they are like early soviets trying to make nucs - for them getting the nuclear materials they wanted was the primary goal -they didnt care about the waste - to a point where they were dumping hot nuclear waste directly into rivers and no i'm not joking.
That is antimatter waste - it would basically blow a planet apart -in that quantity. literally millions of tons of antimatter - while even a single gram would had a power of 43 kT nuclear bomb and they have trillion of tons of that on board. This is not a planet bomber but a planet killer.
I don’t know if it’s canon, but that’s exactly what the Malon did to the new Telaxian homeword in STO. They turned it into a space landfill. The Federation had to step in and clean it up.
@@angelsandautobots STO is officially not canon, though I honestly wouldn't mind it being canon - the story arcs expanding characters and tying up loose ends are incredibly satisfying. Just a shame that buying a ship in STO costs more than a painted 3D model of it IRL.
@ You’re not wrong. 3,000+ zen for a T6 ship is a little steep. I’ll also agree character development and storylines are immersive and enjoyable. If they decided to make STO canon I would not be mad.
I can totally imagine a Malon ship getting hit by a radiation beam &/or jamming signals, and the captain (controller?) going “that all you got? I get more trouble from my cargo!” 😅
matter and antimatter tend to explode - dumping that much antimatter waste into a star would trigger a nova and would blow up an entire solar system as a result - kinda tends to complicates the goal of getting rich if you go boom alongside that star.
@@krzosu They don't say that the waste is antimatter, however in practice there is no material waste from matter/anitmatter reactions. This is something else Star Trek gets wrong.
"You Captain an Ancient Garbage Scow!" "Why yes! We've been able to maintain this garbage scow for over seven generations! A fleet record! Thank you for noticing!"
@@Jahee-Official It's actually the crew rotation that would be sped up by the radiation poisoning. Generations are defined by births, not deaths, so they'd proceed at the normal pace for their species. Sorry.
@@aecides3203 Do you really think a ship like that would last (hooman) lifetime generations? That's why I'm saying it's more likely calculated by crew rotations. Where ~50% of the first crew doesn't survive anyways?
I don't think they can use weapons like photon torpedoes because the leaking radiation would cause them to explode when stored. Might even interfere with the magnetic fields needed to isolate the antimatter that powers their boom!
Judging that their whole ships are designed to deal with radiation and specialise in contanment of lots of really hardcore radiated materials i find that highly dubious - basically those ships haul trillions of tons of antimatter waste - and they don't go boom - so what's few extra grams of antimatter in a photon gonna do ? - they have literally trillions of ton's of antimatter waste already - few grams aint gonna make them a difference.
Little Green Man indicates they would not get along: "They irradiated their own planet?!" "If Nog says so they did. He knows all about Earth history." "You better fix those translators fast. The sooner we start talking to these savages the better off we'll be." - Quark and Rom, on atomic weapons
My head-canon is that the Malon could easily improve the efficiency of their reactors and deal with the remaining waste. The real point of their waste dumping is defensive. They deliberately create toxic regions around Melon space to ward off potential threats.
It doesn't make any sense - it is clear by voyager episodes that no - they can't upgrade their tech on their own at least. Both short and long terms it would be profitable to get rid of that problem - but with them it's both about lacking tech and ofc greed.
@ almost every other warp capable race in the setting uses antimatter and has solved this issue, so a technological limitation makes no sense. Even if they couldn’t develop the tech themselves they could get it from others. Likewise greed makes no sense as a motive. Handling toxic waste on the scale they do is resource and labor intensive. Using more efficient technologies would save tons of money. Malon “waste disposal” practices only make sense if its goals are none economic in nature. Given that theta radiation can disrupt subspace fields and warp navigation, it makes more sense to understand its use as an area denial strategy.
@@theodoremccarthy4438 You assume other races would be willing to trade them the tech - they might see the Malon as eco terrorist and act accordingly - aka they see them dumping waste and refuse to stop - so they fire and that hostility might have stopped the malon from getting better tech - basically they are seen as nuclear terrorists by their neighbours. This might also explain why Malon's were so interested in salvaging better tech - they know they cant get it otherwise via other means.
Strangely enough, I heard on the radio earlier today that a global summit aiming to cut plastic waste, and therefore microplastics entering the food chain, collapsed without agreement today.
I mean we sstill haven't cleaned up all the radiation from all those above ground nuke tests... Which has been an acuall probrbelm for seemly endless reasons... Unoike micro plastics which no one has ever made a single case for it being a problem at all... Also none seems to want to afford a massive carbin capture effrt to taker C02 out of the atmomosphere and use it for other uses and or store it... Instead we got distracked forced a bklack swan event to give batties the same positives of the power generation techs with out the negitives of batties... This isnane effiort has resaulted in a battery tech a little buit better then lituim that mainh befits are only needing resocrse the wetsern world has easy access to and it's easier to keep alive for most muses... Aka what was going to happen anyway making the whole effort a complete waste of money and time... That could have been spent on carbon capture to actually fix the problem not kick it down tghe road will blaming others.... So yeah micro plastics is the least of our worries...
Rick I love your channel so much. I've been watching your videos for years but I don't think I've ever commented say how much I appreciate your work. I love trek. My mom showed me all of star trek tos on the 90s when I was a kid so I could appreciate tng and then I became obsessed with Voyager because she raised me alone (my dad decided to nope out rather than be a dad, she wasn't a lay about. My dad is just a pu'tak) because Janeway reminded me of my mom. Thanks for the years of diving into the lore. I'm 33 now but I feel like that little kid absorbing everything trek when I watch these videos. Live long and prosper buddy.
This could possibly trigger a massive explosion that could possibly temporarily invert the black hole into a white hole - you know trillions of tons of antimatter mixing with god nows how much normal matter would make so much energy i dont even know how to count it.
5:05 I'm not sure that's a pub actually, but for a fascinating reason. "Tanks" in war for their names because they were originally disguised as "tanks" to move liquid water. The name stuck, and now people sort of fail to notice that the name itself is kind of strange. So, is it a pun if we're referring to the thing it literally got its name from?
I wold have been curious to know how they can keep their food from getting contaminated. Despite the suits. You could see that they were suffering the effects of prolonged radiation exposure,
I mean it could be the benfuits do not outway the costs... Like the sghilding they need on the tanks would makle the transport of them not practical... Like how the US milltary can give all it's bases normal apartments for enlisted when even the europains still use barracks for all their bases... Despite their society and government wqell fair programs and lackj of milltary membership size... Like it dosn't have to be about cutting costs at all but more about their amount of resorces they have at hand... Which is also the reason we don't have a mars and venus coloney today... Like of funding for space travel... Or way the US didn't have jets in the 1930s lack of will... Or why germanby got ruid of all their nuke reactors despite just finishing one... Socitly demands...
Their ships may actually be designed to rust to some extent. They look similar to Weathering Steel / Corten Steel which forms a stable layer of rust that protects the underlying structure. Normally, iron rust is quite brittle and flakey, but Weathering Steel doesn't rust in the same way because it has relatively low iron. But its worth noting that its not completely immune to rust. It just rusts at a slower speed with minimal structural damage. But I'm not an architect, so I don't think I'm qualified to speak on it in great detail.
Does anyone remember what was the first episode where the crew of the U.S.S. Voyager first encountered the Malon because as far as I can remember the first time was in the episode 'Extreme Risk'.
Even the ferengi would find these guys' type of capitalism distasteful. Which would probably lead to a hilarious scene if Lower Decks ever encountered these guys
I always thought that the heavy weapons on the maylon ships was because not everybody wants them to come dump their antimatter waste in their space and well they really don't care they want to go wherever they can to get rid of it and if that means they have to violate territory or blow somebody up or break through something they will
I wonder if fluidic space has any waste product they`d like to get rid of, but could be processed into something useful here. Maybe a new, cleaner industry. :)
This heavy-handed flying metaphor is one of the dumbest ships in Star Trek. Not only is there the practice of dumbing their waste where others could get really angry with them really dumb, but the design of the ships themselves are dumb. First. Space is really big and just finding somewhere to dumb whatever toxic waste you have is not hard, if you can fly up to space as easy as they can. And yeah. Unlike some people think it would be a good idea to export radioactive waste to the sun, it is not really a cost-effective way to do it even if you could get to outer space cheaply (like if you had a space elevator, or in star treks case, fusion powered impulse engines.) No, you just place in some safe orbit or, if you do not like that, some pointless little rock. Generally, such a waste could be a resource for someone else in the future. So you would not want to throw it in to star. That just expensive shipping wise since you would have to expend energy to slow down so it falls in to the star. Now, as for shielding of the ship. Well easy. You just shield the living area and replace what is needed there. When plans to make nuclear power planes were big, the idea was often not to shield the reactor core. But just have the cockpit shielded. Make sure no one gets too close to the runway (and these were mainly military concepts) and you're set to go. The air is not going to care about a bit of radiation. And space even less so. It is the pilots during flight you want to protect. It is a metaphor, but is just so dumb. They could have gone a bit more creative. One of the ships I like the least due to it being so dumb and have so many elements that goes against it core concept even.
Finding a place to dump your waste, was an issue. IIRC, it could easily spread out over a few lightyears given enough inertia and/or time. And didn't it interfere with some propulsion systems, like warp drive? Creating an impassable highly destructive/toxic cloud is just highly annoying. So you DO want to pick a solid dumping location, far away from yer home.
2:04 My man is taking a shot at Big Oil. There have been several people who have made cars that will get 100mpg and an engine that run on water. Big Oil tried to buy the patent and when the people didn't sell their patent, they died under strange circumstances.
The old quest for fuel efficiency and cheaper fuels is over with the switch to electric vehicles. The sheer convenience of being able to charge at home overnight or at work during the day after your commute makes either of those irrelevant. If your car can do 250 or 500km on a charge, but your commute is under 100km each way, you're all set. With that kind of capacity, the only people who need worry about range are farmers who live out in the middle of nowhere, and even then, 500km is a hell of a long way for a one-way trip, given it'd take at least 5 hours, and if it's all on dirt roads, probably more like 8 or 10.
@@Roxor128 not quite yet due to the fact that electric cars with those ranges are rather expensive and far from all that NEED a car can afford to switch also often the range given is a theoretical range under ideal circumstances.
Hot take: the Delta Quadrant powers should have formed a coalition purely for the sake of blockading Malon worlds and forcing the waste exporters out of business. Maybe they would then have been forced to consider some of the options they'd been given for cleaning up their industry.
Considering that they seem to keep to themselfs otherwise, I expect the Malon to be a very minor civilisation @ best. Highly annoying when they walk in your backyard? Yes. Enough to wipe out? Probably not. (and they are probably a super power compared to their direct neighbours. And they seem to travel well past their direct neighbours anyways, so chances of you getting annoyed by them often as a major power, is probably low.
@@Jahee-Official Yeah I had this discussion with my mate recently and he says there's no evidence either way but to consider the possibility that their actual military strength is pretty formidable. Given that blockading a planet is essentially an act of war, if the Malon navy is significantly advanced, say to the level of the Voth, they could be a considerable threat to the blockading forces and turn aggressively expansionistic as a response.
Just started watching Star Trek Voyager this year, just recently saw a few episodes with the Malon and I have to say I never seen a greedy bunch who make the Ferengi look reasonable (spoiler the Ferengi are incredibly short sighted)
given the nature of their cargo, the ships might well be something of a weapon imagine the sort of use the Cardassians might put them to against the Marquee, I am sure some captains would be willing to make a system uninhabitable for a small payment.
Many people think nuclear power waste is like this but it's actually fossil fuels that are like this. Nuclear is clean and get little risk with modern reactors. Fukushima was a design from the 80s and had the worst case scenario but the modern reactors next to the old ones are still in use.
These ships have another thing they excel at in war. Orbital bombardement. This + the fact that they are far from a scientificaly advanced species keeps them from being assimilated by the borg.
Every time I see the Malon ships and the Nausicaan Scourge Destroyer venting theta radiation, I always imagine it making these long "braaapp" farting sound effects.
I don't think 'waste' makes a lot of sense coming from a M/AM drive system. The whole point is this totally annihilate each other and leave nothing but photons of energy behind that is channelled via plasma directly through the warp coils or siphoned off into EPS system. Maybe the waste was the cooled plasma itself?
It's been a while since I last watched Voyager but was there ever a reason given why they didn't dump the waste on a planet or something? Surely you could find the nearest neutron star and let gravity sort your mess out.
That one caption that was given the technology to basically get rid of their waist and turn it into a different form of energy they could then sell could have just kept that to themselves and made lots of money just by being able to get rid of it faster than any of their competitors
could the malon be related to the ship the enterprise d encountered in the final mission episode? A radioactive garbage scow that had to be tractored into a sun
Do you suppose the Klingons ever encountered these garbage scows? Then when they called the Enterprise a garbage scow, or something to be hauled away as garbage, they'd be thinking of these bozos, and _really_ mean the insult.
It's not mysterious why they are heavily armed. They're a civilization precariously close to the Borg. Any civilization that close to the Borg would have to be heavily armed for defense.
It makes little sense to just dump this stuff in empty space - you'd end up contaminating a large and ever growing area. Why not just dump it all into some random gas giant planet's atmosphere? That would keep it all in one place. Or is it so radioactive that if concentrated, it could explode? Though again, a planet like Jupiter has so much atmosphere moving at such high speeds that it would disperse the gas and keep the concentrations low.
It always annoyed me 🙄 when Voyager didn't try to share their technology again when they came across them again because they might have found some more like-minded people who would have been willing to take that technology and release it to the public that could have started a movement. Also annoyed that they decide to do the whole evil corporation thing again when originally it just seemed to be self-interested captains that were dumping it in places rather than some greedy Corp
You want to mix trillions of tons of antimatter waste - with billions of tons of normal matter ? - you know that would trigger the star to go Nova right ? :D
That species was billion times crazy.. Had high powered plasma rounds but never figured out how to use Ultrasonic resonance to break the bonds of dangerous substances by Ultrasonic disintegration. *Connects legos different colors to simulate pieces that connect together to make certain things dangerous and then smacks it with a Bat* < Get it? Bat? Ultrasound? Nvm.. Ask free or paid AI about it. Nuclear decontamination context to help it focus to what Q clearance is programmed to know now.. (Plasma generated Ultrasound = Max resolution potential/Shock wave level ultrasound. That's Boeing plasma force fields secret to blocking shock waves. OOPS! Super scientist coming through!)
i think in the one episode a race was complaining about the malon dumping the radiation and killing them. So thats likely why their armed. Been a long time since oi watched it though but i wanna say it was some race that lived in the dark...either way i expect these guys get shot at a lot
Reaching your own star can be tricky, it would be for us, trajectory with lots of course corrections, then the heat, radiation and solar wind. Now do it with tons of super poisonous, anti-matter waste...
The Malon were really, really stupid, another case of sci-fi writers having no idea of how unbelievably vast space is. That's without even getting into the point others have made about stars or black holes as dumping grounds.
2:41 it doesn't at least of that scale like the oil companies have always been forward focused not based on tradition like the the Chinese, japansse where before they opened up to the outside world... Even then it was more out of habit then anything else which has cost them dearly just ask the the people who colonized the Americas first how they feel about not teching upo and using the resorces they had in abubnce... In fact the opistiet has been a problem the last dacdae as the hype generated by Elon Musk wanting to sell more Model S teslas has caused the single most waste orf r4esorces in history by spending anbd insane amount of the global GDP trying to force a black swan event to make Battieries the only power source humanity would ever need despite every reason it can't be.... So yeah on Earh today we don't have a problem with keeping old tech alive for the shake of it we have a problem wasting money tryinmg to force a peice a tech tpo work in a way it will never work in... Another case AI and XR... people believe the best AIs today not to be intetgant and dese3ervers less rights then animals despite the fact you can talk to them on the level something you can't do with most Human children... Also people want XR to be the only device you need when it's just a type of display and a form factor... Which like BEVs the industry is just now changing back to what i was before the massive hype wave wnting the tech to become what';s it's can be...
They might be so heavily armed because nobody else in the galaxy would exactly be happy to see them… the company is probably protecting their investments from being destroyed
highly likely
I remember it being implied somewhere that all their neighbors despise them. Though I've no idea where I saw it.
Come to think if it, I think it was Rick's own speculation on another video.
Doubtful. Think of them as garbage barges. One disappears and it's a write-off. No crew to pay and the garbage is ultimately gone. That's how their society seems to be set up.
Which is another layer of insanity to the whole thing.
They'll throw huge guns on their garbage barges rather than accept waste reclamation tech
@@kyuventhey seem like a pretty obvious stand-in for major industrial polluters.
Malon: Why repair and refit ships when we can build and sell new ones!
Ferengi: I like how you think...
Nah I think there's a ferengi rule of acquisition that encourages long term investment and resource management.
Why sell one sucker 5 ships for 10 years when you can ship of theseus him the same ship for 50 years and get him with the sunk cost fallacy?
@@kyuvenno it's more money spent isn't money earned. Gotta have that hoard. If STO was the timeline I can see major reforms because Ferengi will sanction Malon and destroy ships on sight.
@@planescaped Rule of Aquisition #10:
Greed is eternal.
The real answer would be that the Ferengi would no longer be allowed to trade if they dumped waste (knowingly). There is no Federation were the Malon live.
Why waste haulers would need to be so heavily armed seems fairly obvious to me, their dumping operations have likely earned them a Lot of ill will and enmity among their neighbours.
Most people will take issue if you tried to plant nuclear waste in their backyards. The fire on sight - kind of issue
I think it was actually mentioned in the episode that species tended to attack these on sight. Hence the powerful weapons and shields.
with how ridiculously large space is in volume and how empty it is, it would be easy to find a place to dump their crap where noone cares, just go to the empty space between starts and there you go, nothing around for a a lightyear or two at the very least in any given direction, it would take many hundreds of thousands of years for it to become anyones concern.
@@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 Such a place, however, would likely be fairly remote; and thus, lacking in additional business venture opportunities for the ship's crew.
@@theldraspneumonoultramicro405 That what their reasoning behind it -that said apparently other races might strongly object to polluting their territory even if it's empty - and act accordingly. Basically wars can start due to this.
We can’t forget their quite obnoxious move of blasting enemy vessels with clouds of gaseous waste… At least as far as Star Trek Online is concerned, that stuff eats right through shields!
@@colemurphy2063 the radiation those barges carries wreaks havoc on ships’ systems, shields and hull plating. This is why the Malon are best engaged from a distance
@@angelsandautobots Agreed, especially since I invest more into shields than the average player... Usually a few blasts with Beam Overload III covers the distance issue.
In sto space eats at shields hull regen and just beating the opponent is more important
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Malon ships shouldn't be hauling garbage, they should be hauled away AS garbage!
Malon controller: "And i took it personally" - aka dump the hold on that guy :P
What would happen if you put Tribbels in the waste🤔
@@comentedonakeyboard tribble soup.
@@drunkrdm ewww tribble waste soup... you just invented a new disgusting.
sheesh, that one radiation loving villain from captain planet would love these ships
Duke Nukem (no relation).
@@EGRJ I'm sure there is a relation. I think someone in the show was a fan of the game or at least thought the name was a good idea. So the game would be the father and the character would be related.
Fun fact: that particular led villain led me and my brother into an interesting (and tangentially relevant to this video) hypothetical. We found out that water is a REALLY good radiation shield ('XKCD: what if' did calculations on swimming on the pool used to store spent reactor rods. You die from hypothermia first, apparently). I remembered the stereotypical 'villain dumping radioactive waste into the ocean', and since my brother was studying nuclear reactor design, I thought it would be a fun idea to figure out the damage of such an act with literally ALL of the uranium on Earth (though experiment, so we're just going with "magic" to set this up). We were starting to look up the necessary stats, models, and geometry before we found one fact that caused us to burst out laughing and scrap the entire project. Turns out ~99% of Earth's uranium is dissolved across the entire Earth's ocean naturally. So while nuclear waste is much more radioactive than natural uranium (citation needed), we realized that arguing over the damage caused by putting radioactive materials BACK into the world's current container for much of it's radioactive materials is a little bit silly. That, and apparently any radiation from this ridiculous thought experiment pales in comparison to... airplane flights (yeah, turns out flying above the atmosphere that normally shields us from the sun's radiation causes "airline stewards" and "airline pilots" to be the professions that get the most radiation on average). Who knew?
We get confirmation that the Kazon are so primative the Borg don't consider them worth Assimilation, i suspect the Malon would also be given this dubious 'blessing' as well. Sure their tech is more advanced than the Kazon, but their ships literally have nothing that would be attractive to the collective, and their entire fleet are basically garbage barges, the Collective definately isn't going to want those.
So them rejecting the tech that could 'purify' their civilisation could also be seen as them saying "Yeah...we'd like to stay _off_ the Borg Collective's radar, thanks."
Not neceserily - those barges are basically full of antimatter - borg could use that garbage and process it to something way more usefull - and since they haul trillions of tons at once - it would be quite a prize - so don't discount the worth of that material.
Remember when the Queen was trying to get Seven to program a nanoprobe virus for the Collective? These things would be a BOON to any plan involving that method of assimilation.
Understandable.
As a borg commander I would not risk my expensive technology to randomly fail just because we caught garbage out of space.
I would disagree.
The Borg "feared" the hoomans, because of their potential. Their current resources and biological matter, weren't interesting at all.
The Borg were somewhat interested into the Talaxians, because they made excellent drones for a particular purpose.
Yes, the radiation-saturated materials of a Malon ship, are most likely a VERY low-tier resource to the Borg. Same goes for their tech. However... We've seen Malon flesh being radiation-saturated, and still being "fully" functional. That's a very rare biological feature. And that would be an amazing resource to have for the Borg. Worth sending in a cube or 2.
Regarding the huge smoke plumes of old locomotives, that is actually a myth. The locomotives typically release very little smoke, but the problem is that audiences are enthralled by the smoke they can produce. So if anyone is wanting to shoot a movie or a picture for a calendar or whatever, they ask the engineer to run the locomotive in a condition that produces the biggest smoke cloud possible. Its similar to how diesel trucks generally produce no noticeable smoke, but you can modify them to "roll coal".
Also all steam engines need to let out eccess or they will explode this is still very much true for all steam eninges even in the most advanced nuke reactors hince why colling towers are needed and what the constant plumes are... just steam made form the boiling water mad from the heat of the reactor...
While the fireman and engineer will attempt to run the locomotive as clean as possible, that's just not always going to happen due to changing conditions and skillset. Plenty of more modern videos of heavily loaded engines throwing up lots of darker smoke.
What you do see a lot of is condensate. While not pollution, most people don't understand the difference. Watch one running in cooler weather, they end up being hard to see through their condensate plume.
Kinda overlooking the "garbage scow" in TNG that was so radioactive that the Enterprise's shields couldn't handle it. So, these would be the second-most toxic ships.
well, maybe? Wouldn't Starfleet have more advanced shields by the mid-late 24th century?
@@danielkorladis7869they explicitly did; metaphasic shields can protect against stellar dives but were only invented in a later season. By an altruistic ferengi, of all things.
That part never made a lick of sense. There is no way that the shields would be able to block ray weapons which are radiation of a much higher energy state but not be able to block radiation from that garbage scow which is radiation of a lower energy.
@@GeorgeMonet Personally, I think it was the result of an advanced civilization centuries ahead of the Federation that had developed their technology without working on ways to handle their waste like the Mazon, and their highly advanced technology had created some spectacularly powerful waste.
We've seen with the Borg and in other scenarios that shields aren't perfect and with the right circumstances can be penetrated. Real world radiation comes in numerous forms, with Alpha able to be blocked by paper, and Gamma being only blocked by lead. We've had Trek casually throw around terms like 'Theta' for their radiation in the past, so there's plenty to imply that Trek regularly has to handle higher tiers of radiation. However, that doesn't mean they can perfectly block even the highest tiers.
@@GeorgeMonet it is possibly far easier for an energy shield to block a high-intensity radiation beam for short durations and in a very small point than it is for the same shield to have to block out an entire facing or more of moderate radiation for a continuous duration.
"Time to take out the garbage!" --Captain Kathryn Janeway
One of my favourite moments in the entire series. Kate Mulgrew absolutely nailed that line!
Kate Mulgrew is the Arnold Schwarzenegger of Star Trek. The flawless delivery of the most classic one liners right before utterly besting the bad guy!
Ah yes the guys that look like they should be fighting Captain Planet or something.
I'm still confused over how matter/anti-matter annihilation can create a toxic waste since it converts both parts from matter into pure energy.
The question is the same like with normal materials - not every reaction is desirable - if you want a stable system - you need to perform the same reaction at all times - to be predictable.
using that waste of various materials would lead to unstable systems - like massive fluctuations of output of energy - which would be highly undesirable to say the least it could even lead to runaway reactions that could lead to blowing up whatever it was trying to use it and as you can imagine that would be an issue for those who would have to actually operate that kind of machinery.
It is also explained in Voyager that Malon's are not particularly advanced in regards of making proper converters that could deal with byproducts in a safe and predictable manner. In compraison to our world - they are like early soviets trying to make nucs - for them getting the nuclear materials they wanted was the primary goal -they didnt care about the waste - to a point where they were dumping hot nuclear waste directly into rivers and no i'm not joking.
Radiated EPS medium would effectively be radiation sinks and build up without a safe way of cleansing it or removing it.
It's likely not the Annihilation but the radiation shielding or the coolants for the reactors that gets irradiated and needs to be dumped.
@@3Rayfire Or the annihilation is imprecise and there are leftovers that can't be reused.
@@littlekong7685 How could it not be re-used? Any matter interacting with any anti-matter produces pure energy.
Be one heck of a planetary bomber. Drop tanks of radioactive waste into a planets atmosphere.
That is antimatter waste - it would basically blow a planet apart -in that quantity. literally millions of tons of antimatter - while even a single gram would had a power of 43 kT nuclear bomb and they have trillion of tons of that on board. This is not a planet bomber but a planet killer.
I don’t know if it’s canon, but that’s exactly what the Malon did to the new Telaxian homeword in STO. They turned it into a space landfill. The Federation had to step in and clean it up.
@@angelsandautobots Cool
@@angelsandautobots STO is officially not canon, though I honestly wouldn't mind it being canon - the story arcs expanding characters and tying up loose ends are incredibly satisfying. Just a shame that buying a ship in STO costs more than a painted 3D model of it IRL.
@ You’re not wrong. 3,000+ zen for a T6 ship is a little steep. I’ll also agree character development and storylines are immersive and enjoyable. If they decided to make STO canon I would not be mad.
I can totally imagine a Malon ship getting hit by a radiation beam &/or jamming signals, and the captain (controller?) going “that all you got? I get more trouble from my cargo!” 😅
They really were just Captain Planet villains.
That the waste isn't dumped into stars is a gigantic oversight in writing.
matter and antimatter tend to explode - dumping that much antimatter waste into a star would trigger a nova and would blow up an entire solar system as a result - kinda tends to complicates the goal of getting rich if you go boom alongside that star.
My guess: solar wind would just spread it everywhere.
@@krzosu They don't say that the waste is antimatter, however in practice there is no material waste from matter/anitmatter reactions. This is something else Star Trek gets wrong.
@@UGNAvalon _In_ the star.
Or black holes.
If a Klingon called your vessel a grabage scowl - most speciec would be furious - but Malon - well they would be proud. :D
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"You Captain an Ancient Garbage Scow!"
"Why yes! We've been able to maintain this garbage scow for over seven generations! A fleet record! Thank you for noticing!"
@@aecides3203 Those generations pass quickly... Doesn't say much. Better wording would be: we're on our 7th crew rotation!
@@Jahee-Official It's actually the crew rotation that would be sped up by the radiation poisoning. Generations are defined by births, not deaths, so they'd proceed at the normal pace for their species. Sorry.
@@aecides3203 Do you really think a ship like that would last (hooman) lifetime generations? That's why I'm saying it's more likely calculated by crew rotations. Where ~50% of the first crew doesn't survive anyways?
I don't think they can use weapons like photon torpedoes because the leaking radiation would cause them to explode when stored. Might even interfere with the magnetic fields needed to isolate the antimatter that powers their boom!
Judging that their whole ships are designed to deal with radiation and specialise in contanment of lots of really hardcore radiated materials i find that highly dubious - basically those ships haul trillions of tons of antimatter waste - and they don't go boom - so what's few extra grams of antimatter in a photon gonna do ? - they have literally trillions of ton's of antimatter waste already - few grams aint gonna make them a difference.
@@krzosuyes but how good of a condition are they in?
I wonder what the Ferengi and the Malon would get up to together.
The end of the universe probably. They both have no self control or ability to plan past the next money scheme
Little Green Man indicates they would not get along:
"They irradiated their own planet?!"
"If Nog says so they did. He knows all about Earth history."
"You better fix those translators fast. The sooner we start talking to these savages the better off we'll be."
- Quark and Rom, on atomic weapons
Not at all.
Malon have horrible reputation and only produce Garbage. No opportunities.
Quark was appalled about nuclear weapons tests.
Whatever you do on a Malon freighter, *_do NOT_* ask about the toilets. Seriously, you don't want to know!
My head-canon is that the Malon could easily improve the efficiency of their reactors and deal with the remaining waste. The real point of their waste dumping is defensive. They deliberately create toxic regions around Melon space to ward off potential threats.
It would be an agreeable cause over them being "Captain Planet villains in space".
It doesn't make any sense - it is clear by voyager episodes that no - they can't upgrade their tech on their own at least. Both short and long terms it would be profitable to get rid of that problem - but with them it's both about lacking tech and ofc greed.
@ almost every other warp capable race in the setting uses antimatter and has solved this issue, so a technological limitation makes no sense. Even if they couldn’t develop the tech themselves they could get it from others. Likewise greed makes no sense as a motive. Handling toxic waste on the scale they do is resource and labor intensive. Using more efficient technologies would save tons of money. Malon “waste disposal” practices only make sense if its goals are none economic in nature. Given that theta radiation can disrupt subspace fields and warp navigation, it makes more sense to understand its use as an area denial strategy.
@@krzosu The notion that it is blocked solely for economic reasons is too real... lol
@@theodoremccarthy4438 You assume other races would be willing to trade them the tech - they might see the Malon as eco terrorist and act accordingly - aka they see them dumping waste and refuse to stop - so they fire and that hostility might have stopped the malon from getting better tech - basically they are seen as nuclear terrorists by their neighbours. This might also explain why Malon's were so interested in salvaging better tech - they know they cant get it otherwise via other means.
Strangely enough, I heard on the radio earlier today that a global summit aiming to cut plastic waste, and therefore microplastics entering the food chain, collapsed without agreement today.
Makes you glad the new head of the FDA plans to get them out of our food.
@@shocktnc given who he's working for? No, that new head will make things worse.
I mean we sstill haven't cleaned up all the radiation from all those above ground nuke tests... Which has been an acuall probrbelm for seemly endless reasons... Unoike micro plastics which no one has ever made a single case for it being a problem at all... Also none seems to want to afford a massive carbin capture effrt to taker C02 out of the atmomosphere and use it for other uses and or store it... Instead we got distracked forced a bklack swan event to give batties the same positives of the power generation techs with out the negitives of batties... This isnane effiort has resaulted in a battery tech a little buit better then lituim that mainh befits are only needing resocrse the wetsern world has easy access to and it's easier to keep alive for most muses... Aka what was going to happen anyway making the whole effort a complete waste of money and time... That could have been spent on carbon capture to actually fix the problem not kick it down tghe road will blaming others.... So yeah micro plastics is the least of our worries...
@shocktnc another woke attack on are beloved oil companies
Rick I love your channel so much. I've been watching your videos for years but I don't think I've ever commented say how much I appreciate your work. I love trek. My mom showed me all of star trek tos on the 90s when I was a kid so I could appreciate tng and then I became obsessed with Voyager because she raised me alone (my dad decided to nope out rather than be a dad, she wasn't a lay about. My dad is just a pu'tak) because Janeway reminded me of my mom. Thanks for the years of diving into the lore. I'm 33 now but I feel like that little kid absorbing everything trek when I watch these videos. Live long and prosper buddy.
I think it says something about how stupid the Malon Export Industry is in their efforts when the Ferengi, who literally worship money, don’t do this.
Why not dump the stuff near a black hole
People in on the other side. "WHo keeps dumping trash in our universe?"
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@@TheZamaronAre We sure there are other universe behind black Hole in Star Trek universe.
That or a star.
@@II.Justinian There seems to be one behind everything else so why not
They almost look like they could be JMC designed ships from Red Dwarf. They could almost be the same lineage as Starbug.
The most toxic ship: Tuvix x Kes. XD
Maybe you could do a deep dive on just wtf is an isoton.
As well as "antimatter waste"
Couldn't they just dump the waste into black holes, where the waste is safely held beyond the event horizon?
This could possibly trigger a massive explosion that could possibly temporarily invert the black hole into a white hole - you know trillions of tons of antimatter mixing with god nows how much normal matter would make so much energy i dont even know how to count it.
I thought this was going to be about Chakotay/Seven, Worf/Ezri and so on.
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I'm not sure that's a pub actually, but for a fascinating reason. "Tanks" in war for their names because they were originally disguised as "tanks" to move liquid water. The name stuck, and now people sort of fail to notice that the name itself is kind of strange. So, is it a pun if we're referring to the thing it literally got its name from?
I spent my whole school time drawing spaceships but never figured that could be a paying job. Life could have been so easy 😮
Probably Janeway and Kim, that would have been a work place nightmare while stranded in the Delta Quadrant.
I can smell it from this quadrant.
Any chance of Fenris rangers or Baran's mercenary ships?
The idea of automating the freighters and dumping the waste into a blackhole never occurred to them for reasons.
Man that name is something else.
I wold have been curious to know how they can keep their food from getting contaminated. Despite the suits. You could see that they were suffering the effects of prolonged radiation exposure,
I mean it could be the benfuits do not outway the costs... Like the sghilding they need on the tanks would makle the transport of them not practical... Like how the US milltary can give all it's bases normal apartments for enlisted when even the europains still use barracks for all their bases... Despite their society and government wqell fair programs and lackj of milltary membership size... Like it dosn't have to be about cutting costs at all but more about their amount of resorces they have at hand... Which is also the reason we don't have a mars and venus coloney today... Like of funding for space travel... Or way the US didn't have jets in the 1930s lack of will... Or why germanby got ruid of all their nuke reactors despite just finishing one... Socitly demands...
The idea that you can poison a whole area of space is just silly…
You thinking that it's silly, is actually silly.
Their ships may actually be designed to rust to some extent. They look similar to Weathering Steel / Corten Steel which forms a stable layer of rust that protects the underlying structure. Normally, iron rust is quite brittle and flakey, but Weathering Steel doesn't rust in the same way because it has relatively low iron. But its worth noting that its not completely immune to rust. It just rusts at a slower speed with minimal structural damage.
But I'm not an architect, so I don't think I'm qualified to speak on it in great detail.
Does anyone remember what was the first episode where the crew of the U.S.S. Voyager first encountered the Malon because as far as I can remember the first time was in the episode 'Extreme Risk'.
Season 5 episode 1 night was the first time they met.
Even the ferengi would find these guys' type of capitalism distasteful.
Which would probably lead to a hilarious scene if Lower Decks ever encountered these guys
I always thought that the heavy weapons on the maylon ships was because not everybody wants them to come dump their antimatter waste in their space and well they really don't care they want to go wherever they can to get rid of it and if that means they have to violate territory or blow somebody up or break through something they will
I wonder if fluidic space has any waste product they`d like to get rid of, but could be processed into something useful here. Maybe a new, cleaner industry. :)
This heavy-handed flying metaphor is one of the dumbest ships in Star Trek. Not only is there the practice of dumbing their waste where others could get really angry with them really dumb, but the design of the ships themselves are dumb. First. Space is really big and just finding somewhere to dumb whatever toxic waste you have is not hard, if you can fly up to space as easy as they can.
And yeah. Unlike some people think it would be a good idea to export radioactive waste to the sun, it is not really a cost-effective way to do it even if you could get to outer space cheaply (like if you had a space elevator, or in star treks case, fusion powered impulse engines.) No, you just place in some safe orbit or, if you do not like that, some pointless little rock. Generally, such a waste could be a resource for someone else in the future. So you would not want to throw it in to star. That just expensive shipping wise since you would have to expend energy to slow down so it falls in to the star.
Now, as for shielding of the ship. Well easy. You just shield the living area and replace what is needed there. When plans to make nuclear power planes were big, the idea was often not to shield the reactor core. But just have the cockpit shielded. Make sure no one gets too close to the runway (and these were mainly military concepts) and you're set to go. The air is not going to care about a bit of radiation. And space even less so. It is the pilots during flight you want to protect.
It is a metaphor, but is just so dumb. They could have gone a bit more creative. One of the ships I like the least due to it being so dumb and have so many elements that goes against it core concept even.
Finding a place to dump your waste, was an issue. IIRC, it could easily spread out over a few lightyears given enough inertia and/or time. And didn't it interfere with some propulsion systems, like warp drive? Creating an impassable highly destructive/toxic cloud is just highly annoying. So you DO want to pick a solid dumping location, far away from yer home.
@@Jahee-Official Yeah, there are like a thousand ways to handle it... and they chose the worst.
I think there is a point where you can just say "no" to an entire civilization's existence.
I would think the most toxic ship would be a Cardassian vessel captained by are particularly sharp-tongued Gul.
2:04 My man is taking a shot at Big Oil. There have been several people who have made cars that will get 100mpg and an engine that run on water. Big Oil tried to buy the patent and when the people didn't sell their patent, they died under strange circumstances.
The old quest for fuel efficiency and cheaper fuels is over with the switch to electric vehicles. The sheer convenience of being able to charge at home overnight or at work during the day after your commute makes either of those irrelevant. If your car can do 250 or 500km on a charge, but your commute is under 100km each way, you're all set. With that kind of capacity, the only people who need worry about range are farmers who live out in the middle of nowhere, and even then, 500km is a hell of a long way for a one-way trip, given it'd take at least 5 hours, and if it's all on dirt roads, probably more like 8 or 10.
@@Roxor128 not quite yet due to the fact that electric cars with those ranges are rather expensive and far from all that NEED a car can afford to switch also often the range given is a theoretical range under ideal circumstances.
Nurgle's favorite ship
Hot take: the Delta Quadrant powers should have formed a coalition purely for the sake of blockading Malon worlds and forcing the waste exporters out of business. Maybe they would then have been forced to consider some of the options they'd been given for cleaning up their industry.
Considering that they seem to keep to themselfs otherwise, I expect the Malon to be a very minor civilisation @ best. Highly annoying when they walk in your backyard? Yes. Enough to wipe out? Probably not. (and they are probably a super power compared to their direct neighbours. And they seem to travel well past their direct neighbours anyways, so chances of you getting annoyed by them often as a major power, is probably low.
@@Jahee-Official Yeah I had this discussion with my mate recently and he says there's no evidence either way but to consider the possibility that their actual military strength is pretty formidable. Given that blockading a planet is essentially an act of war, if the Malon navy is significantly advanced, say to the level of the Voth, they could be a considerable threat to the blockading forces and turn aggressively expansionistic as a response.
Just started watching Star Trek Voyager this year, just recently saw a few episodes with the Malon and I have to say I never seen a greedy bunch who make the Ferengi look reasonable (spoiler the Ferengi are incredibly short sighted)
given the nature of their cargo, the ships might well be something of a weapon
imagine the sort of use the Cardassians might put them to against the Marquee, I am sure some captains would be willing to make a system uninhabitable for a small payment.
i’m curious ric,why are you using the klingon computer UI design when it’s the malon ships you were looking at?
always wondered why they didn't dump near black holes or pulsars, places no one goes.
It's a Spaceborne Exon-Valdez.
Many people think nuclear power waste is like this but it's actually fossil fuels that are like this. Nuclear is clean and get little risk with modern reactors. Fukushima was a design from the 80s and had the worst case scenario but the modern reactors next to the old ones are still in use.
These ships have another thing they excel at in war. Orbital bombardement. This + the fact that they are far from a scientificaly advanced species keeps them from being assimilated by the borg.
Their body would make very useful drones. Especially when you get one of those bodies which are still functional while being saturated with radiation.
Every time I see the Malon ships and the Nausicaan Scourge Destroyer venting theta radiation, I always imagine it making these long "braaapp" farting sound effects.
Just dump the waste in a black hole. Then it's some other universe's problem. 😆
Could you do a video on measurements such as Cochranes and it's most likely real world equivalent and Isotons etc?
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"....they do one thing...."
They are garbage scowls!!
This vessel contains all the combined toxicity of the Star Wars and Star Trek fandom.
Next the hirogens ships
And the Voth ships.
I don't think 'waste' makes a lot of sense coming from a M/AM drive system. The whole point is this totally annihilate each other and leave nothing but photons of energy behind that is channelled via plasma directly through the warp coils or siphoned off into EPS system. Maybe the waste was the cooled plasma itself?
It's been a while since I last watched Voyager but was there ever a reason given why they didn't dump the waste on a planet or something? Surely you could find the nearest neutron star and let gravity sort your mess out.
Given that the waste can liquify living beings and corrode metal , I don’t think dumping it in a star or on a planet was a safe idea.
That one caption that was given the technology to basically get rid of their waist and turn it into a different form of energy they could then sell could have just kept that to themselves and made lots of money just by being able to get rid of it faster than any of their competitors
Yes but that would make sense and not be ludicrously ham-fisted moralizing, which defeats the purpose of Star Trek.
What were the episodes the Malons appear?
The Malon only appear in 3 episodes
"Night"
"Extreme Risk"
"Juggernaut"
The Malon vessels look almost exactly like Doog ships from Star Control 3.
02:05 Good thing nobody in the gouvernement is pushing EV's like they are stable, safe, cheap and are as reliable they are durable.
could the malon be related to the ship the enterprise d encountered in the final mission episode? A radioactive garbage scow that had to be tractored into a sun
Please do the Cardassian hutet class
Don't recall them ever firing any beam weapons.
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Do you suppose the Klingons ever encountered these garbage scows? Then when they called the Enterprise a garbage scow, or something to be hauled away as garbage, they'd be thinking of these bozos, and _really_ mean the insult.
You knew what you were doing when you chose that title, right?
Looks more like a wave motion gun on the front of that thing.
Why don't they go to the universe's toilet, a black hole, and dump it there?
That vessel is not twice as wide as it is tall. I would argue it's not even really wider than it is tall. Maybe it's 95 m wide?
It's not mysterious why they are heavily armed. They're a civilization precariously close to the Borg. Any civilization that close to the Borg would have to be heavily armed for defense.
I’m sorry, when I first saw the thumbnail for this video, I miss read it as Melon vessels
There should be no need for an antimatter waste vessel as by its nature antimatter reacts 1:1 with normal matter.
It makes little sense to just dump this stuff in empty space - you'd end up contaminating a large and ever growing area. Why not just dump it all into some random gas giant planet's atmosphere? That would keep it all in one place. Or is it so radioactive that if concentrated, it could explode? Though again, a planet like Jupiter has so much atmosphere moving at such high speeds that it would disperse the gas and keep the concentrations low.
so they have no blackhole nearby to dump their stuff into?
It always annoyed me 🙄 when Voyager didn't try to share their technology again when they came across them again because they might have found some more like-minded people who would have been willing to take that technology and release it to the public that could have started a movement.
Also annoyed that they decide to do the whole evil corporation thing again when originally it just seemed to be self-interested captains that were dumping it in places rather than some greedy Corp
The way you named the title baffles me.
Dump it in the nearest star and forget about it? Hello?
You want to mix trillions of tons of antimatter waste - with billions of tons of normal matter ? - you know that would trigger the star to go Nova right ? :D
@ Can’t threaten me with a good Trek movie plot, Krzosu.
Yeah... mixing that with a star would be.... bad.
That species was billion times crazy.. Had high powered plasma rounds but never figured out how to use Ultrasonic resonance to break the bonds of dangerous substances by Ultrasonic disintegration. *Connects legos different colors to simulate pieces that connect together to make certain things dangerous and then smacks it with a Bat* < Get it? Bat? Ultrasound? Nvm.. Ask free or paid AI about it. Nuclear decontamination context to help it focus to what Q clearance is programmed to know now.. (Plasma generated Ultrasound = Max resolution potential/Shock wave level ultrasound. That's Boeing plasma force fields secret to blocking shock waves. OOPS! Super scientist coming through!)
i think in the one episode a race was complaining about the malon dumping the radiation and killing them. So thats likely why their armed. Been a long time since oi watched it though but i wanna say it was some race that lived in the dark...either way i expect these guys get shot at a lot
Every solar system has a giant nuclear furnace at its center. Why not simply go to the far side of the sun and incinerate the waste there?
Reaching your own star can be tricky, it would be for us, trajectory with lots of course corrections, then the heat, radiation and solar wind. Now do it with tons of super poisonous, anti-matter waste...
So Malon are Chinese or Indian
Yay racism!
@@Mark-in8ju Nothing to do with racism, that's how those countries treat their land.
SPACE!!!
The Malon were really, really stupid, another case of sci-fi writers having no idea of how unbelievably vast space is. That's without even getting into the point others have made about stars or black holes as dumping grounds.
Janeway should have suggested he sell the technology back to his people. Get rich and retire on some private moon
SCIENCE!!!
Short version: because plot🤫
2:41 it doesn't at least of that scale like the oil companies have always been forward focused not based on tradition like the the Chinese, japansse where before they opened up to the outside world... Even then it was more out of habit then anything else which has cost them dearly just ask the the people who colonized the Americas first how they feel about not teching upo and using the resorces they had in abubnce... In fact the opistiet has been a problem the last dacdae as the hype generated by Elon Musk wanting to sell more Model S teslas has caused the single most waste orf r4esorces in history by spending anbd insane amount of the global GDP trying to force a black swan event to make Battieries the only power source humanity would ever need despite every reason it can't be.... So yeah on Earh today we don't have a problem with keeping old tech alive for the shake of it we have a problem wasting money tryinmg to force a peice a tech tpo work in a way it will never work in... Another case AI and XR... people believe the best AIs today not to be intetgant and dese3ervers less rights then animals despite the fact you can talk to them on the level something you can't do with most Human children... Also people want XR to be the only device you need when it's just a type of display and a form factor... Which like BEVs the industry is just now changing back to what i was before the massive hype wave wnting the tech to become what';s it's can be...
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Antimatter waste. LOL!
Why dont they just throw the waste into a star?
All they needed do was dump the stuff into the sun of some lifeless system...