I, too, think the Ha'apax line of warbirds would have made better Romulan Republic Flagships than the Scimitar line. They are not tied to the villain in the worst TNG movie, are not tied to the terrible "lets make everything spiky!" trend in Romulan design that culminated in the Narada's formless spikes of doom, and with some modern design work would look really cool. They would have also made the Romulan Flagships very distinctive in how they operate, appropriate for the recovering society. Frankly, the Ha'apax Class ships also remind me of the older Vulcan D'Kyr Class with its support craft and thus help tie the Republic to the Reunification Movement more thoroughly. They have GOT to start offering non-bundle versions of the older Legendary ships. At a premium, of course, but they would still sell enough more of them that it would be worth it.
I personally don't like the Ha'apax design, because I find it too bulky, and if I had to decide what the Romulan republic's flagship should be, it would definitely be the Operation Command Warbirds line (Vastam, Baratan, Deihu).static.wikia.nocookie.net/sto_gamepedia/images/8/8e/Tactical_Command_Warbird_-_In_orbit_of_New_Romulus.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190706184103
this probably was pointed out already, but the jem'hadar carrier has an advantage over other carriers in those wing-men, as they apply for the terran hydra skill and count as medium pets, granting + 40% to all pets, greatly buffing a full fighter squadron build.
Don't dismiss the support frigate pets. I put them on my scimitar as hangar pets because they debuff and enemies with suppressing fire and viral matrix.
Technically half of the 2024 list were terran ships so not Technically federation focused...but yea tbh we need more non fed ships in the zen store with a overhaul on some of the current ships
With the Scimitars, I always assumed that most of them were, originally, "borrowed" from the Romulan Star Empire considering that a lot of their ships were acquired that way, and snagging a shipyard full of prototypes is something that fits considering what the Remans were up to in the game
I think that is probably true for many of the largest Romulan ships. The shipbuilding capacity of the Republic is limited so they likely focus on small but efficient designs. With the Empire refusing to learn the lesson and doubling and quadrupling down on building it large and heavy. That being said, the Republic might be tempted to liberate a few Scimitars and support carriers that were near completion.
Yeah, I've also always assumed the Lleiset (sp?) and the Republic's other Scimitars were originally intended to join Shinzon's original as the Empire's new big whacking sticks but their construction got halted at mostly-done-but-not-quite when he died and they just sat around unfinished while the senate tried to put together the Empire again after the mess he'd caused. They later got appropriated sometime after the Hobus supernova by/with the help of the Reman shipyard workers (IIRC I remember shipbuilding as being one of the many dangerous and borderline-slavery jobs the Star Empire had Remans doing) for the Republic. I'm also pretty sure that none of the Republic's Scimitars had their thalaron weapons installed, or had them decommissioned in short order once the Republic got hold of them. The neighbours absolutely wouldn't have let the Republic keep those weapons and I think D'tan would be personally opposed to them anyway.
I acknowledge I'm in the minority on this one, but I actually quite like the Eternal visually. Has a nice distinct profile that makes it easy to keep track of firing angles even zoomed all the way out. It just needs a good cosmetic like the Jem'hadar shield to give it a better colour scheme.
When she is built right with the right consoles, she is a total monster. When paired with the Temporal Defence Reputation, her gravity well 3 is really powerful, well above other science ships. I really like her with the Temporal vanity shield. It seems to fit her really well.
Your point about the Romulan flagship is spot on. I never understood the flagship being the scimitar either since it was only built by the Remans and for only one purpose. Obisek and the Reman resistance should have been given the scimitar and Jarok the Hapax.
The Cardassisan Intel FDC must be one of the best Surgical Strikes platforms currently. 2 hangar bays for 2 elite type 7 shuttlecrafts, 7 isomags, and can fit in a good amount of uncon triggers.
Definitely one of the strongest carriers in game atm. Only thing it cannot do at all is EPG/control. But in terms of DEW/pet builds, it's a really capable platform now. Surgical strikes gives you decent DEW single target performance even if you spec it pet heavy, as long as your CritD is high enough.
Definitely an interesting list in a good way. Appreciate mention of the Ghemor Cardassian FDC. Fun ship to fly. I also agree with the Temporal Warships being strong. The Chargh does have a battle cloak, too, by the way, not just a regular one. Thanks for the video.
With regards to the LCDR seat on the Support Carrier (and any ship in general really): Any time I can get Torpedo Spread III (Or, rarely used these days High Yield III I suppose) I'm happy. While I love the Silik, and I do, I also found the Pralim to be very surprising. Small and very nimble as well as a full Carrier. Surprised me very much when I got it on a lark. I also slotted in a S31 vanity shield I got from a lockbox and made it look _so_ good.
I love the support carriers designs but when I had to make a hard decision, I favored the Jarok Alliance Carrier for its higher maneuverability and temp slots.
I'd like to point out that the "Cascading Gravimetrc Disruptions" Console is NOT the "Grav Well on a Stick". THAT comes from the M'Chla Pilot Bird of Prey or Shran Pilot Light Escort. This one is the same console as the Earheart, it shoots out a red bolt that chains a few times and then pulls together targets it hit.
Unfortunately it's seating and weapon's layout is quite underwhelming performance wise. Though the wingmen mechanic saves it a little. And it's one HUGE and cumbersome beast to fly!
I've got the Aspero since I main a caitian science officer. Always been a fun and good looking ship, despite it's 3/3 setup. I've been debating picking up the hydra for the boost to my hangar pets
The Blackguard Orian Flight Deck Long Name Carrier's backend depending on your "skin" will look like a dragon/aligator smiling at you as you fly around pew pew pewing. Very fun ship. Fun console if you're going character appropriate for a female Orian. It's a spaceship version of mind control. I don't advise it... but it's "cute".
The Khopesh was the first Cstore ship I bought. I really enjoyed it but it hasn't been in use for some time due to me always using it and my KDF Cardassian Engineer flies the Fleet Orion Blackguard, I love that one which makes me want to get the Suliban Silik and the Pralim version as well due to how good they all look and perform(for me anyway)! Also I bought the Cardassian Intel Bundle a few days ago because I've been eyeing it for some time, I really enjoy the Intel Flight Deck Carrier with the Spiral Disruptors(expensive though) Incase anyone else plays on console. They started a sale on ship bundles and Mudd's Market has some returning Bundles for a limited time (no 10th Anniversary Bundle though...)
I freaking love my faeht. I just got it this year too, The only thing I wish for is that it was 5/2/1 weapons and not 4/3/1. Now I just need to some how get that Gorn ship so I can get all the cool plasma stuff.
What about the tier 6 version of the garumba??? It's been a few months since I played the game because I had computer troubles (I'm redownloading the game now on my new computer) but the disruptor Lance on that ship it's actually far more powerful than it used to be because the coding had a bunch of bug fixes and nobody ever noticed... It's actually a very effective ship now however due to its age it's not perfect because it predates full specialization ships...
Very good list, I'm using (or used to use) a lot of ships from here :) Personally I'd add KDF Qib Intel Cruiser together with Faeht (as both are part of the same expansion pack), Fleet T6-X2 variant can have up to 7 isomags, 4 tac consoles, 5 device slots, commander ENG/Intel sitting, a battlecloak, can eguip cannons, has a decent starship mastery pacakage and it can take some beating. The biggest downside is eng heavy seating (although Surgiacal Strikes III and few other int skills sevearly compensate for this) and 4/4 weapon layout.
Great list. my picks would be very similar. My Top 10 Z store non fed ships would be in no particular order; the Temporal warships. Cardassian Detapa Escort & Ghemor Flight deck carrier (full intel). The Eternal. Khopesh Scimitar (Legendary Scimitar would be better for energy builds). The Engineering pilot escorts. The Qib intel battlecruiser. The Silik Flight deck assault carrier. The Jemmie Vanguard Warship. The Malem and Morrigu. Kurak would be 11th.
I have my gripes with the Scimitar, (it's not even a Romulan ship. It's Reman.) But it makes sense that the Romulan flagship would be the biggest and most imposing ship they have. The Ha'Apax is more of a workhorse ship, seeing as they're everywhere and do everything the tiny ships can't. I'd also love a legendary version, but I doubt we'll get one.
I'm saddened that I have most of your list already -Temporal Warship. Picked up the hoover and loved it, but man is that Kopesh pretty and I have been tempted to drop a coupon on it just for my rom. -Support carrier. I agree, The romulan one is prettiest, but I just can not fly it to save my life. -Fhaeht intel. Picked this up in fleet on my f2p alt account and it hits pretty hard even with untraited SS. Still looks nice too. That low HP is the only downside...and no mirror coating(my f2p rom is mirror themed) -Kara. I love the t6 Ha'pax! it's like they crammed the maximum amount of gimmicks into a ship: battle cloak, hangar bay, singularity, multi-vector(the best saucer seperation, thank Q for all those T5 coupons), a plasma lance, and it's huge. I have this on my main account and am grinding out fleet modules on my f2p account to have it there too (and it has a mirror version for that sweet mirror coating). As someone who has treated buying legendries as therapy, this is actually my favorite Romulan ship even if it isn't my hardest hitting. -Cardassian intel flight deck carrier. It's a good ship, but It's just never clicked with me. I get use out of that trait though -Eternal. Thanks to my good friend Mudd I have the Verne, but I do keep coming back to the eternal. it's a nice sci platform and it has a hangar bay.
The Command BCs and the Scimis were all named way before the current categories of Battle Cruiser and Dreadnought were locked in, and they never changed the names.
Really appreciated this video. I wound up getting the Rom Temporal last year for my Rom character because I thought it was the best looking. Maybe after the 15th anniversary they will focus on Non-Federation style anniversary's? (Assuming pattern continuing, 10th and 11th were legendary, 12th and 13th were Terran(Fed-Type), 14th was Borg Related so thinking the 15th will be Borg related as well).
Ah yes, you finally got around to making a video chronicling some of my fave Z-store ships. :D Seriously... Faeht was probably my fave of the DROP ships. And it came with two SRO BOFFS!
Also takes a warp core rather than a singularity core, which I rather like because I've never gotten the hang of managing singularity abilities and would rather have the flat 40 power capacity.
At this point, and as of the typing of this comment, I have all but two of the legendary ships (The only two I don't have are the Jem'Hadar and Romulan captain bundles that take you straight to 65 because of the price tags). I say this because it has gotten to the point where, with a few exceptions, I find that I'm almost always flying a legendary ship. Now, my Main toon is working her way through them all to T6 mastery for the account trait unlocks but I typically end up just flying one of my legendaries which is just about the only "downside" in my opinion of them... that you (or at least _I_ ) have accidentally begun to neglect my other non-legendary ships. In the case where it's a legendary of an already existing ship such as the Defiant I don't feel as bad because hey, I'm not really neglecting the T6 defiant by flying the Legendary defiant. There's also the case of the Legendary Intrepid which is... actually not as good as the Terran Trailblazer in some respects (Notably the Trailblazer has a 4/3 weapons layout and an Agony Lance) or the Legendary Odyssey not being as good as the Lexington (not having the Lance again for one) (and of course the whole you can still only activate the Chevron sep OR the Aquarius at one time which is lame and outdated at this point) et cetera. Anyone else find themselves only flying Legends these days?
I use the Khopesh on most of my Romulan characters it's slow and can't turn for crap but it's just fun down side is it's hard to find good built guides for it
Not a fan of fed ships myself so this is cool. Ironically I am currently flying a fed ship but i have gone out of my way to make it look as far from one as i could get it.
if they will be able to fix a lot of piled crap bugs recently - its getting unplayable. after the last one not only they did not fix the BOFF trait issue but add another issue to brake the game even more.....now BOFF's unslots automatically from their seating on a map change or just randomly? Do you have this issues too?
yeah the Scimitar-line might be a bit of the "old guard" nowadays but they do still hold up well. and Legendary Intel Dreadnought Warbird is just best borg.
It's funny you should say the Blackguard is the best of the Flight Deck Assault Carriers "because Orions", 'cause I'd say the Silik is the best "because Suliban"! XD Jokes aside, this is an interesting list; I only own 3 of these already, so this has given me a lot to think about for future purchases. Hopefully at some point, they might still unlock the traits on the Temporal Warships. My Romulan toon has become my go-to for TFOs, but uses a Disruptor build.
Thanks for this. I haven't played any of my Fed toons in years. And I get that the devs and most other players are attuned to that side of things. But, let's face it, there are only 2 Fed ship designs and everything is a variant of those two. IMHO, they are boring. It's nice to fly a ship that doesn't fit the mold.
One thing that always irritates me is when you feel pushed to buy 2 C-store versions of the same ship (Ha'apex/Kara and the Prometheus/Hestia) because the T5 has a special console that for SOME reason the supposedly "Upgraded" versions don't
The problem is not with your lists though. The problem is STO in its current inception. Ever since they did cross faction ships they have taken the lazy way out and just done Fed ship after Fed ship and completely neglected the other factions. For the C Store they have not made a new non legendary ship since 2020 for either the Klingons or Romulans. I play a Romulan because I want the aesthetics of the Romulan ships. I dont want to play a Romulan flying a galaxy dreadnought. I know its damned if we do and damned if we dont though. If we go back to the old way and you want the trait you unlocked on your Federation to be used on your Klingon you had to buy the Klingon version of the ship as well. Or we can keep what we have now and just realize that all of the new ships coming out will be Federation. I wish they had kept the ships faction specific but made the ship traits and consoles account unlock instead.
Thank you, but sadly this one faction focus thing is only happening with STO. If there were a Star Wars online do you honestly think the *Empire* would be an afterthought like KDF? It's a shame only the federation gets unique ships and the other factions just get clones with slight changes. As game dev myself, faction diversity is very important. All faction should play totally different (if possible). Logically if everyone is using one faction, you have failed as game developer. Instead of "F" the other factions let's focus on the one people play, how about make the other factions more fun or interesting. How can STO's devs and federation players be so oblivious? Only STO...
@@adambrown6669 OMG you're going by what you see in Star Wars movies. The empire had more than just Star destroyers. They only made up "25%" of the imperial navy. The other 75% isn't shown in movies. You just completely overlooked the frigates, corvettes, carriers, tankers, support ships, and etc. The Empire would end up with more ship than KDF has currently. That's for sure. Expanded universe exist also. That's like another 120 ships with that alone. There's more TIE fighter variants than the federation's capital ship variants surely. :P In short, there won't be a problem at all with ships for the Empire. As for the Rebel alliance, they can use anything -- including star destroyers lol. (It's canon).
13:17 While it would be absurd for fed n kdf etc, to allow roms having thalaron weapons........to be fair, most cruisers, warbirds, defiant type ships n all that are all more than capable of wiping out all life on a planet. Itd just take a little longer depending upon the type of ship and its weapons. Also......ugh legendry ships.......total bs imo. If they just sold them without god awful bundles that exist for the sole purpose of jacking up the price to absurd levels to get a legendary....then itd be nice. Id love the legendary scimitar but holy crap, its not remotely worth the asking price / bundle thing. Even worse if you only want the legendary version and nothing else.
No love for the Jem'hadar Vanguard carrier? It's the best ship if you want the most pets possible on screen. Plus it's got a top launch hangar like the ships in the prequel era of Star Wars
Nice to see another vid from you Stu. I'm probably one of the majority that only really gets non-Fed ships if they come in a bundle (Bort, Valdore etc.). Not that I don't like non-Fed ships, just my main toon is Fed, and I tend to only do the other factions during Recruits. It was a good video. Cryptic/Deca could do faction versions of the new ships, just make them identical in spec and have them faction locked. So if you bought a Fed ship, when you go to your KDF, Rom etc, you can claim that factions version. I tend to play faction ships on faction toons. I unlock all the traits and consoles from the ships I own then discard them on those toons. Just my preferred style of play.
If you like Pilot ship, yeah, they're alright. They're actually a bit better they used to be since the Pilot revamp. Same with the Lethean and Dewan counterparts. I wish they had a second spec seat that was something besides pilot to give them a bit more versatility in the boff seating, but you certainly make any of them work.
@@Stu1701 there is alot about the the game I don't get and considering I've been playing for years I should know by now. I've been playing for fun all this time and never really thought about bridge officers or specialisation I just about remember to add traits to my characters. I enjoy your channel and feel that I can learn alot keep up the good work.
Perhaps if they didn't focus on making more of the new ships for the feds, then maybe the player base would be more diverse? Vicious cycles, am I right?
@@Stu1701 it's literally written on its lore in the game that it is a starfleet vessel, if it's listed and non aligned it's because of cryptic shenanigans
Also, if you look at the ship from which the design of the eternal originated, that is, the 31c. Time ship that appears in st Voyager, you'll see it's also a federation vessel (it's the Wells class if I recall correctly), that's the base for all it's variants, they're all 31c. Pre-burn federation time ships
I, too, think the Ha'apax line of warbirds would have made better Romulan Republic Flagships than the Scimitar line. They are not tied to the villain in the worst TNG movie, are not tied to the terrible "lets make everything spiky!" trend in Romulan design that culminated in the Narada's formless spikes of doom, and with some modern design work would look really cool. They would have also made the Romulan Flagships very distinctive in how they operate, appropriate for the recovering society.
Frankly, the Ha'apax Class ships also remind me of the older Vulcan D'Kyr Class with its support craft and thus help tie the Republic to the Reunification Movement more thoroughly.
They have GOT to start offering non-bundle versions of the older Legendary ships. At a premium, of course, but they would still sell enough more of them that it would be worth it.
I personally don't like the Ha'apax design, because I find it too bulky, and if I had to decide what the Romulan republic's flagship should be, it would definitely be the Operation Command Warbirds line (Vastam, Baratan, Deihu).static.wikia.nocookie.net/sto_gamepedia/images/8/8e/Tactical_Command_Warbird_-_In_orbit_of_New_Romulus.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190706184103
this probably was pointed out already, but the jem'hadar carrier has an advantage over other carriers in those wing-men,
as they apply for the terran hydra skill and count as medium pets, granting + 40% to all pets, greatly buffing a full fighter squadron build.
The Ra'nodaire is just a gorgeous ship. Being able to launch the Romulan drone ships is just a plus.
I think the Kholhr looks a lot nicer with the material from the Ra'nodaire than its original metallic green look.
Don't dismiss the support frigate pets. I put them on my scimitar as hangar pets because they debuff and enemies with suppressing fire and viral matrix.
Technically half of the 2024 list were terran ships so not Technically federation focused...but yea tbh we need more non fed ships in the zen store with a overhaul on some of the current ships
With the Scimitars, I always assumed that most of them were, originally, "borrowed" from the Romulan Star Empire considering that a lot of their ships were acquired that way, and snagging a shipyard full of prototypes is something that fits considering what the Remans were up to in the game
I think that is probably true for many of the largest Romulan ships. The shipbuilding capacity of the Republic is limited so they likely focus on small but efficient designs. With the Empire refusing to learn the lesson and doubling and quadrupling down on building it large and heavy. That being said, the Republic might be tempted to liberate a few Scimitars and support carriers that were near completion.
Yeah, I've also always assumed the Lleiset (sp?) and the Republic's other Scimitars were originally intended to join Shinzon's original as the Empire's new big whacking sticks but their construction got halted at mostly-done-but-not-quite when he died and they just sat around unfinished while the senate tried to put together the Empire again after the mess he'd caused. They later got appropriated sometime after the Hobus supernova by/with the help of the Reman shipyard workers (IIRC I remember shipbuilding as being one of the many dangerous and borderline-slavery jobs the Star Empire had Remans doing) for the Republic.
I'm also pretty sure that none of the Republic's Scimitars had their thalaron weapons installed, or had them decommissioned in short order once the Republic got hold of them. The neighbours absolutely wouldn't have let the Republic keep those weapons and I think D'tan would be personally opposed to them anyway.
Nice to see the support carriers in there, as a huge fan of my T6 Fleet Vo'Quv (and yeah, I bought the C-store Vod'wevl, assuming I spelled it right)
I acknowledge I'm in the minority on this one, but I actually quite like the Eternal visually. Has a nice distinct profile that makes it easy to keep track of firing angles even zoomed all the way out. It just needs a good cosmetic like the Jem'hadar shield to give it a better colour scheme.
When she is built right with the right consoles, she is a total monster.
When paired with the Temporal Defence Reputation, her gravity well 3 is really powerful, well above other science ships. I really like her with the Temporal vanity shield. It seems to fit her really well.
I'm going full Omega gear for the Assimilated look but Rom for the space plasma weapons.
Your point about the Romulan flagship is spot on. I never understood the flagship being the scimitar either since it was only built by the Remans and for only one purpose. Obisek and the Reman resistance should have been given the scimitar and Jarok the Hapax.
The Cardassisan Intel FDC must be one of the best Surgical Strikes platforms currently. 2 hangar bays for 2 elite type 7 shuttlecrafts, 7 isomags, and can fit in a good amount of uncon triggers.
Definitely one of the strongest carriers in game atm. Only thing it cannot do at all is EPG/control. But in terms of DEW/pet builds, it's a really capable platform now. Surgical strikes gives you decent DEW single target performance even if you spec it pet heavy, as long as your CritD is high enough.
@@axelhopfinger533 It's a pretty old ship, too, right?
@@thomasjoychild4962 Relatively, yes. But it's still a solid performer.
@@axelhopfinger533 very nice to know!
Definitely an interesting list in a good way. Appreciate mention of the Ghemor Cardassian FDC. Fun ship to fly. I also agree with the Temporal Warships being strong. The Chargh does have a battle cloak, too, by the way, not just a regular one. Thanks for the video.
With regards to the LCDR seat on the Support Carrier (and any ship in general really): Any time I can get Torpedo Spread III (Or, rarely used these days High Yield III I suppose) I'm happy.
While I love the Silik, and I do, I also found the Pralim to be very surprising. Small and very nimble as well as a full Carrier. Surprised me very much when I got it on a lark. I also slotted in a S31 vanity shield I got from a lockbox and made it look _so_ good.
I'll support any amount of ranting on the Ha'apaxs flagship status being stolen by the unsuitable (and Reman) Scimitar.
I love the support carriers designs but when I had to make a hard decision, I favored the Jarok Alliance Carrier for its higher maneuverability and temp slots.
I'd like to point out that the "Cascading Gravimetrc Disruptions" Console is NOT the "Grav Well on a Stick". THAT comes from the M'Chla Pilot Bird of Prey or Shran Pilot Light Escort.
This one is the same console as the Earheart, it shoots out a red bolt that chains a few times and then pulls together targets it hit.
yeah i thought the same thing. scrolled through comments looking to see if anyone else had noticed.
The Devs should really show some love to non-Fed content. Every TFO I play in is Fed-ship dominent ship. The lore is there. Just my 2 cents 🖖
I have the Jem support carrier, I personally love how it looks
Unfortunately it's seating and weapon's layout is quite underwhelming performance wise. Though the wingmen mechanic saves it a little. And it's one HUGE and cumbersome beast to fly!
I've got the Aspero since I main a caitian science officer. Always been a fun and good looking ship, despite it's 3/3 setup. I've been debating picking up the hydra for the boost to my hangar pets
For the Scimitars, I feel like the shields disappear too quickly, to even frigates. Still love it, landing Thaloron pulse is so much fun.
The Blackguard Orian Flight Deck Long Name Carrier's backend depending on your "skin" will look like a dragon/aligator smiling at you as you fly around pew pew pewing. Very fun ship. Fun console if you're going character appropriate for a female Orian. It's a spaceship version of mind control. I don't advise it... but it's "cute".
The Khopesh was the first Cstore ship I bought.
I really enjoyed it but it hasn't been in use for some time due to me always using it and my KDF Cardassian Engineer flies the Fleet Orion Blackguard, I love that one which makes me want to get the Suliban Silik and the Pralim version as well due to how good they all look and perform(for me anyway)!
Also
I bought the Cardassian Intel Bundle a few days ago because I've been eyeing it for some time, I really enjoy the Intel Flight Deck Carrier with the Spiral Disruptors(expensive though)
Incase anyone else plays on console.
They started a sale on ship bundles and Mudd's Market has some returning Bundles for a limited time (no 10th Anniversary Bundle though...)
I freaking love my faeht. I just got it this year too, The only thing I wish for is that it was 5/2/1 weapons and not 4/3/1. Now I just need to some how get that Gorn ship so I can get all the cool plasma stuff.
What about the tier 6 version of the garumba???
It's been a few months since I played the game because I had computer troubles (I'm redownloading the game now on my new computer) but the disruptor Lance on that ship it's actually far more powerful than it used to be because the coding had a bunch of bug fixes and nobody ever noticed...
It's actually a very effective ship now however due to its age it's not perfect because it predates full specialization ships...
Very good list, I'm using (or used to use) a lot of ships from here :) Personally I'd add KDF Qib Intel Cruiser together with Faeht (as both are part of the same expansion pack), Fleet T6-X2 variant can have up to 7 isomags, 4 tac consoles, 5 device slots, commander ENG/Intel sitting, a battlecloak, can eguip cannons, has a decent starship mastery pacakage and it can take some beating. The biggest downside is eng heavy seating (although Surgiacal Strikes III and few other int skills sevearly compensate for this) and 4/4 weapon layout.
Great list. my picks would be very similar. My Top 10 Z store non fed ships would be in no particular order; the Temporal warships. Cardassian Detapa Escort & Ghemor Flight deck carrier (full intel). The Eternal. Khopesh Scimitar (Legendary Scimitar would be better for energy builds). The Engineering pilot escorts. The Qib intel battlecruiser. The Silik Flight deck assault carrier. The Jemmie Vanguard Warship. The Malem and Morrigu. Kurak would be 11th.
I have my gripes with the Scimitar, (it's not even a Romulan ship. It's Reman.) But it makes sense that the Romulan flagship would be the biggest and most imposing ship they have. The Ha'Apax is more of a workhorse ship, seeing as they're everywhere and do everything the tiny ships can't. I'd also love a legendary version, but I doubt we'll get one.
I'm saddened that I have most of your list already
-Temporal Warship. Picked up the hoover and loved it, but man is that Kopesh pretty and I have been tempted to drop a coupon on it just for my rom.
-Support carrier. I agree, The romulan one is prettiest, but I just can not fly it to save my life.
-Fhaeht intel. Picked this up in fleet on my f2p alt account and it hits pretty hard even with untraited SS. Still looks nice too. That low HP is the only downside...and no mirror coating(my f2p rom is mirror themed)
-Kara. I love the t6 Ha'pax! it's like they crammed the maximum amount of gimmicks into a ship: battle cloak, hangar bay, singularity, multi-vector(the best saucer seperation, thank Q for all those T5 coupons), a plasma lance, and it's huge. I have this on my main account and am grinding out fleet modules on my f2p account to have it there too (and it has a mirror version for that sweet mirror coating). As someone who has treated buying legendries as therapy, this is actually my favorite Romulan ship even if it isn't my hardest hitting.
-Cardassian intel flight deck carrier. It's a good ship, but It's just never clicked with me. I get use out of that trait though
-Eternal. Thanks to my good friend Mudd I have the Verne, but I do keep coming back to the eternal. it's a nice sci platform and it has a hangar bay.
The Command BCs and the Scimis were all named way before the current categories of Battle Cruiser and Dreadnought were locked in, and they never changed the names.
Really appreciated this video. I wound up getting the Rom Temporal last year for my Rom character because I thought it was the best looking.
Maybe after the 15th anniversary they will focus on Non-Federation style anniversary's? (Assuming pattern continuing, 10th and 11th were legendary, 12th and 13th were Terran(Fed-Type), 14th was Borg Related so thinking the 15th will be Borg related as well).
Ah yes, you finally got around to making a video chronicling some of my fave Z-store ships. :D Seriously... Faeht was probably my fave of the DROP ships. And it came with two SRO BOFFS!
the Sulaban Flite Deck Carrier is basically a Romulan Defiant Class with Fighters. I Love It.
Also takes a warp core rather than a singularity core, which I rather like because I've never gotten the hang of managing singularity abilities and would rather have the flat 40 power capacity.
At this point, and as of the typing of this comment, I have all but two of the legendary ships (The only two I don't have are the Jem'Hadar and Romulan captain bundles that take you straight to 65 because of the price tags). I say this because it has gotten to the point where, with a few exceptions, I find that I'm almost always flying a legendary ship. Now, my Main toon is working her way through them all to T6 mastery for the account trait unlocks but I typically end up just flying one of my legendaries which is just about the only "downside" in my opinion of them... that you (or at least _I_ ) have accidentally begun to neglect my other non-legendary ships. In the case where it's a legendary of an already existing ship such as the Defiant I don't feel as bad because hey, I'm not really neglecting the T6 defiant by flying the Legendary defiant. There's also the case of the Legendary Intrepid which is... actually not as good as the Terran Trailblazer in some respects (Notably the Trailblazer has a 4/3 weapons layout and an Agony Lance) or the Legendary Odyssey not being as good as the Lexington (not having the Lance again for one) (and of course the whole you can still only activate the Chevron sep OR the Aquarius at one time which is lame and outdated at this point) et cetera.
Anyone else find themselves only flying Legends these days?
Only legendaries? no. But I do spend a lot of time in them.
I use the Khopesh on most of my Romulan characters it's slow and can't turn for crap but it's just fun down side is it's hard to find good built guides for it
Neat, do you have any video no getting back to STO, basically for returning players?
Cardy ones are lovely ships
I fly the Kara/Fleet Ha'apax myself. Not the best by any means, but it makes up for that by being majestic af.
The Silik is a beast, possibly my second favorite C-store ship after the Lexington.
Good old Lagwaffle!
Not a fan of fed ships myself so this is cool. Ironically I am currently flying a fed ship but i have gone out of my way to make it look as far from one as i could get it.
Thanks for the great video - as a primarily a KDF player this will help a lot LLAP.
if they will be able to fix a lot of piled crap bugs recently - its getting unplayable. after the last one not only they did not fix the BOFF trait issue but add another issue to brake the game even more.....now BOFF's unslots automatically from their seating on a map change or just randomly? Do you have this issues too?
@@outlawedTV88not even once, I’m on console though.
@@KkevrockKyeah this is only on PC
Cryptic's STO is not only more Federation based nowadays but it is also more gambling ships based than direct-buy Zen Store ships based.
yeah the Scimitar-line might be a bit of the "old guard" nowadays but they do still hold up well.
and Legendary Intel Dreadnought Warbird is just best borg.
It's funny you should say the Blackguard is the best of the Flight Deck Assault Carriers "because Orions", 'cause I'd say the Silik is the best "because Suliban"! XD
Jokes aside, this is an interesting list; I only own 3 of these already, so this has given me a lot to think about for future purchases.
Hopefully at some point, they might still unlock the traits on the Temporal Warships. My Romulan toon has become my go-to for TFOs, but uses a Disruptor build.
I just said thr Blackguard is the best looking one. Stats-wise, thr Silik is best because it gets a battle cloak.
You're the best. Thank you for all this info past and present.
Spencer suggested the Ghemor for my Cardassian alt
Thanks for this. I haven't played any of my Fed toons in years. And I get that the devs and most other players are attuned to that side of things. But, let's face it, there are only 2 Fed ship designs and everything is a variant of those two. IMHO, they are boring. It's nice to fly a ship that doesn't fit the mold.
One thing that always irritates me is when you feel pushed to buy 2 C-store versions of the same ship (Ha'apex/Kara and the Prometheus/Hestia) because the T5 has a special console that for SOME reason the supposedly "Upgraded" versions don't
The problem is not with your lists though. The problem is STO in its current inception. Ever since they did cross faction ships they have taken the lazy way out and just done Fed ship after Fed ship and completely neglected the other factions. For the C Store they have not made a new non legendary ship since 2020 for either the Klingons or Romulans. I play a Romulan because I want the aesthetics of the Romulan ships. I dont want to play a Romulan flying a galaxy dreadnought.
I know its damned if we do and damned if we dont though. If we go back to the old way and you want the trait you unlocked on your Federation to be used on your Klingon you had to buy the Klingon version of the ship as well. Or we can keep what we have now and just realize that all of the new ships coming out will be Federation. I wish they had kept the ships faction specific but made the ship traits and consoles account unlock instead.
Thanks for this Stu
i just got the Sech love it💯👍
thanks also I did not know the pets were that good
i want to make a Romulan char but i am waiting for the romulan recruit thing to happen to do one.
There is no Romulan Recruit event. The only Recruit event Romulans have access to is the Delta Recruit event.
Brief Vastam mention!
Romulans bring the drip.
Thank you, but sadly this one faction focus thing is only happening with STO. If there were a Star Wars online do you honestly think the *Empire* would be an afterthought like KDF? It's a shame only the federation gets unique ships and the other factions just get clones with slight changes. As game dev myself, faction diversity is very important. All faction should play totally different (if possible).
Logically if everyone is using one faction, you have failed as game developer. Instead of "F" the other factions let's focus on the one people play, how about make the other factions more fun or interesting. How can STO's devs and federation players be so oblivious? Only STO...
@@adambrown6669 OMG you're going by what you see in Star Wars movies. The empire had more than just Star destroyers. They only made up "25%" of the imperial navy. The other 75% isn't shown in movies. You just completely overlooked the frigates, corvettes, carriers, tankers, support ships, and etc. The Empire would end up with more ship than KDF has currently. That's for sure. Expanded universe exist also. That's like another 120 ships with that alone. There's more TIE fighter variants than the federation's capital ship variants surely. :P
In short, there won't be a problem at all with ships for the Empire. As for the Rebel alliance, they can use anything -- including star destroyers lol. (It's canon).
I have the eyer al and the burrasq.
More support. Traction needed.
13:17 While it would be absurd for fed n kdf etc, to allow roms having thalaron weapons........to be fair, most cruisers, warbirds, defiant type ships n all that are all more than capable of wiping out all life on a planet. Itd just take a little longer depending upon the type of ship and its weapons.
Also......ugh legendry ships.......total bs imo. If they just sold them without god awful bundles that exist for the sole purpose of jacking up the price to absurd levels to get a legendary....then itd be nice. Id love the legendary scimitar but holy crap, its not remotely worth the asking price / bundle thing. Even worse if you only want the legendary version and nothing else.
Even further support due to TH-cam not telling me you had a video.
Damn i bought the Neg Var last week when i leveled my klingon char... it feels shit.
No love for the Jem'hadar Vanguard carrier? It's the best ship if you want the most pets possible on screen. Plus it's got a top launch hangar like the ships in the prequel era of Star Wars
Nice to see another vid from you Stu. I'm probably one of the majority that only really gets non-Fed ships if they come in a bundle (Bort, Valdore etc.). Not that I don't like non-Fed ships, just my main toon is Fed, and I tend to only do the other factions during Recruits.
It was a good video. Cryptic/Deca could do faction versions of the new ships, just make them identical in spec and have them faction locked. So if you bought a Fed ship, when you go to your KDF, Rom etc, you can claim that factions version. I tend to play faction ships on faction toons. I unlock all the traits and consoles from the ships I own then discard them on those toons. Just my preferred style of play.
Reflective of the 'Whale' base
Are any of the Andorian ships any good.
If you like Pilot ship, yeah, they're alright. They're actually a bit better they used to be since the Pilot revamp. Same with the Lethean and Dewan counterparts. I wish they had a second spec seat that was something besides pilot to give them a bit more versatility in the boff seating, but you certainly make any of them work.
@@Stu1701 there is alot about the the game I don't get and considering I've been playing for years I should know by now. I've been playing for fun all this time and never really thought about bridge officers or specialisation I just about remember to add traits to my characters. I enjoy your channel and feel that I can learn alot keep up the good work.
Perhaps if they didn't focus on making more of the new ships for the feds, then maybe the player base would be more diverse?
Vicious cycles, am I right?
What ship is in the thumbnail
That's the Kholhr, the Romulan version of the Temporal Warships.
Support.
Legendary K'Tanco, where are you?
Needs a T6 version first. Don't know why people keep forgetting this.
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Another reason the legendary Bortasqu is better than the Martok is its enhanced battle cloak
the eternal is a federation ship...
It's listed in the Non Aligned tab of the C-store. It's neither Federation, Klingon, Romulan, or Jem'Hadar.
@@Stu1701 it's literally written on its lore in the game that it is a starfleet vessel, if it's listed and non aligned it's because of cryptic shenanigans
Also, if you look at the ship from which the design of the eternal originated, that is, the 31c. Time ship that appears in st Voyager, you'll see it's also a federation vessel (it's the Wells class if I recall correctly), that's the base for all it's variants, they're all 31c. Pre-burn federation time ships
I loved the Eternal, but then i got the Verne...
lol...top 11, so whatever they're top 11 or top 15 or top 7 or top 5… welcome to space journey.
Wym STO does not make none fed ships
Video disliked, needs more Odysseys (jk)