Fixing The Self Propel On A Lawn Boy Mower
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Thanks for watching. This Lawn Boy mowers self propel stopped working and the fix was really simple. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Note to all..."Never mow wet grass". If you have to mow wet grass clean the underside of the mower deck after each use.
great advice!
@@HomeGaragechannel That's easy to say in an area that has over 100 inches a year but it don't dry up one bit.
A point I would like to put here if I may. A long time ago, Australian mower manufacturer Victa built a mower designed to cut wet grass. They had an oval shaped disc, on which the blades were fitted, FOUR of them!! This disc was very weird to look at (my dad had one of these mowers, which was later passed to me). The disc had rectangular holes cut at equal spacing. The cut piece was not completely removed. It was bent up toward the deck side, & acted like a fan, to create vacuum under the mower, thus making the grass stand up to be cut by the blades. The engine was odd too. The starting assembly formed the top part of the crank case, & was sealed by a large neoprene "O" ring. This was called the "Power Torque" engine, & was a 2 stroke job. They rarely packed up.
@@christophermarshall5765 Jacobson made one, a regular 2-cycle that had a cone shaped engine adapter under the deck that had 4 teeth off a sickle mower mounted on it by rivets in 1/4 intervals around the bottom of the cone. Don't think it had any lift but it cut.
I do that every time I mow not just wet grass.
There isn't anything wrong with an economical, redneck fix at all! As long as it functions safely, you're good doing it.
My dad was infamous for his redneck fixes lol. We had an old snapper self propelled mower from like 1988, and the cable from the lever on the handlebars to the pulley Assembly broke. So, whats dad do? He used a small metal chain off of a porch swing to connect it. And I'll have u know. The self propelled never broke again! It was an amazing fix, and was very durable!
Awesome video IHG! Keep on trolling lol!!
LOL!! your dad was very ingenious !
@@HomeGaragechannel A red neck fix gives an old mower character
LOL your sense of humour and sarcasm is priceless. Keep it coming.
Given the state of the deck I’d McGiver too.
Cheers
Glad you enjoyed it Ez Ray. than you for your time.
"a really bad case of trypophobia" Is definitely correct between the mowing deck and the engine cover my head is going to catch on fire looking at this mower...
yep you got it right, both are really disturbing to me!
Great video as always 😊 you inspired me to accept small engines from friends to repair 👍👍👍
nice, and I hope they appreciate your willingness to help them!
You got me, I was going to say you have to have spare decks that you can swap out with and sure enough that was your plan all along. In my 7 or so years messing with small engines from time to time I admire how you come across so many. I have only found 1 at the curb side in my years of doing this and have even put a wanted listing on local social media sites to get no response. Maybe where you are from people just rather dump them.
yes it would seem that way, from the other comments I've received it doesn't happen all that often to other people
I just moved a good motor to a reclaimed deck this weekend. Now it's just a push mower with a new lease on life. Honestly, it didn't last 15 minutes on marketplace. As far as the cable goes, I do what the customer asks me to do in a non safety situation.
thank you Kevin Sands
I had one of these come my way. Neighbor was moving. Found it had a bad coil. Replaced it with used one I had and that fixed it
nice work, I don't find mowers with bad coils very often
These are interesting mowers. I've tried a few times to buy one, but people on marketplace seem to think they're made of gold.
I know right, it's like buying a steak, by the pound.
I have a Lawnboy SilverPro Duraforce from 2003 with a steel deck. It’s still perfect to this day. No rust. Weird huh? 🤔👍🏻✌🏻
not really, after seeing the yard this mower was used on, it made perfect sense why it was so badly rusted
JB Weld is a solid choice. I was thinking you might say Bondo metal reinforced filler, lab metal, Quiksteel, etc. Lots of brands, cost, etc.
thank you Mark G, I though bond might be the easiest option as well considering the prices of quick steel.
I think I do have trypophobia, because that to me looked gross. Glad you fixed it for them.
I know right!
fixed is fixed; my dad had a jacobson mower with an aluminum deck he patched so many times it wasn't aluminum anymore.
lawn-boy 10685? great mower.
Thanks for sharing
I have one of these I'm currently working on I think it maybe the values after seeing one of your previous videos but it looks like a pain in the ... so I'll wait till I finish the other 8 mowers. Oh and I've used a old license plate to use as part of the deck. It looked pretty cool. I sold it for $150
nice idea with the plate!
I have a similar problem with the drive I'll give it a look to see if that works . About the deck I also have a deck in the same shape . I was thinking of patching it and because I can't weld I was going tho rivet it and use fiberglass to patch the rest of the way but my concern was how well it would hold up with all the vibrations that happens with mowers in general 🤷
yes you bring up a good concern. at this point it's worth a try though
Hiya, I recently got a mower and the carb for it is discontinued... the carb that is on the mower now is all there apart from the main jet (I think that is what it is called) is stripped inside of the bowl... so cannot get it out.. I've put a bit of petrol inside of that and used my compressor to blow through and all seems clear.. but doesn't run.. does run if I put fuel down the plug whole or through the air intake the mower is a toro 26621b 1991 moddel
wow that's bad news, IF I was me, I'd find a different carb that might fit the engine
@@HomeGaragechannel cheers
You could also pop rivet the deck I have done that once and it worked really well.
yes that works well too!
Hey this might seem like a dumb question but I recently picked up a sthil fs45 and it has no place to put my head on it. Do I need to by a “Spindle”? I think that might be what I need not sure I just want to drop $40 on a small piece I don’t need. Lmk asap
wow , I've never heard of that before , since I can't see what yours looks like I'm guessing you need the bearing housing a the end of the shaft?
@@HomeGaragechannel I can email you a picture of my problem. I’d have to do more research to see if that’s actually what I need.
sure, homegaragemail@gmail.com
New cable would have been better but money may be very important to the customer so the wire fix is ok. Thanks for the videos.
I understood where they're coming from so I honored their request. thank you D Butler
@@HomeGaragechannel I replaced the nice plastic coated cable on the Kawasnapper with heavy fence wire. Worked just as good but wasn't as pretty.
Your videos are educational. Thanks. My Lawn-Boy Silver Series mower 4 cyl 6.25HP Model #10335 dies after 2 min at start up. What could be the possible culprit?
sure, try leaving your fuel cap loose and see what happens.
My 1964 Briggs and Stratton mower almost qualifies for a senior discount
Nice!
@@HomeGaragechannel I found it on the side of the road and got it fixed and am going to spray paint it. The mower needed a new magneto.
@@HomeGaragechannel I am wondering of you could help me find the link to the rear wheel assembly for another project a John Deere JS63C.
My lawn boy silver series, I just replaced the self propelled belt with one from Amazon 92-1043. Starting the mower and it wants to pull instantly without even pulling the drive lever. My guess is the aftermarket belt is too small. Any other guesses before I buy another belt? Where should I get OEM parts from?
since I don't know what your model number is, I'd only be guessing. But is there an adjustment on the handle bar for the tension on the cable for the self propel. If so, try loosening which will ease the tension and then tighten it back up
Model 10302. I’ll have to take a look for any adjustments, but I doubt it’s that because the cable is completely disengaged and it wants to pull.
I see, its the belt then
it appears the belt should have been 3/8" by 33", is that the size you installed?
I bought that one the second time and it fixed my problem. Aftermarket cheap belt was incorrect size.
Ironicly I got the exact same mower from my neighbor over a week ago. And mines has the same issue but it's a worn out gearbox. Get this, the engine was ran at full fuel for a few years and it never blow a hole! Though he put it in storage for several years and bought a Honda HRR-216. After changing the oil and fixing the high speed issue, the mower runs great other than a little bit of sputtering once in a while. Likely from the spark plug. I just need to replace the gearbox now.
very nice work, and you're not going to like the prices for that gearbox.
Oh great.....
The condition of the deck gives me pause, but carbon fiber or fiberglass would fix it for awhile. I have not tried JB Weld, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Hell 3/4 of the cars where I live look like that deck... As for the cable? As long as it works and they're happy, it's all good.
thank you covishen
I have this Tecumseh engine and even after remade and clean all carb still need 10 push priming to cold start (yes bulb is new too), Did I miss something ? if you have the answer tnx by advance...
(air filter new too)
I wouldn't try to fix it, instead I would just replace the carb.
So many coworkers with equipment issues. Endless content.
Hi i need a little bit of help...
So i have thiss stihl trimmer for about 2-3 years for now and sometimes when i use it too much like for a big mowing it knows to bog down a little and then stops,and then it repeats.
Do you have any idea what couod be the problem here i watched your videos and il check the carbon on the muffler screen tommorow. PLS help
interesting, I don't think I've ever had to deal with that issue ever? But if had to guess I'm going to go with Fuel tank vent, or carb issue.
@@HomeGaragechannel thank you it helps
no problem
So i checked on the muffler screen i burned the carbon off... but it didn't change the situation so tell me what else can i do
Like I said in a previous video where you had that other lawn boy mower with the Briggs and Stratton, the deck on that one is still in great shape and the engine on this one could be swapped to it.
how long ago was that one? If it was awhile ago, that mower's probably gone by now.
might be able to use a wiring crimp connector (the kind w/a loop on end) and bolt to repair the cable . they also make a heavy duty version for non electrical cables .
oh, that's a good idea!
I used fiberglass insulation and resin on the 85 rider till the fixes holding hands were all that was holding the deck together till I got another deck. I filled the 'mulching holes' by the 3 support legs for the blade spindles full of resin on the opposed and painted it well so very few places for rust to start. The best fixmI found was a wire brushing (twisted wire cup brush in a side grinder) and thick coated oil base paint. Blessings
very nice fixing there!
@@HomeGaragechannel I got the 'spindle protectors' which were nothing more than ends off a bean can and ran duct tape over them and up next to where the blades fasten. The deck was on saw horses so I just mixed the resin and poured the open space full. No holes now to catch wet grass and rust like the OEM. And the makers could make a solid deck and not have that problem but that's a dandy place for rust to start and the 1st place to turn loose and the blades and spindles fail. They act like politicians. GRRR!
very nice ingenuity!
@@HomeGaragechannel You use what you have since you can't afford anything else. Folks need to realize I lived almost my whole life WAY BELOW the national poverty level and supported a family while doing it. Hand to mouth was a constant thing, not just occasionally. Poverty and desperation are the REAL mothers of invention and you use what you have or do without.
Redneck fix is fine with me.. I'd change the cable if it was mine. It looks like it's in decent shape besides those 2 things. If they don't want to change the cable that's fine, as for the deck, tape works. Looking forward to the next video on the deck. I have a Craftsman with a Honda motor. I took it apart to clean the carb and I may have some of the gaskets in the wrong order. Its surging now but didn't no what was wrong with it before since it was on the curb..
thank you Ed Rodrigues
No, because "Rotary" has sold the cable repair ends for years now. Good Video !!!!!
thank you George Pruitt
My brother has one just like it in his shed next door , it has one of the best running engines I have ever seen
But the self propell was the first problem it ever had and he had to fix one of the rear drive gears once , other than basic maintenance it is the only thing he has had to do to it, those wide wheels 😞 roll through the grass like butter
On one of our other mowers it's deck had a problem similar to that ,I did a redneck fix on it by cutting out the rusty part and taking a piece of sheet metal and forming it to fit the space cutting it slightly larger than the hole thin drilling several holes in it and the deck and pop riveting it into place I used about 12 rivets spacing them close together,in don't have a welder so that was the only thing I could use to hold it in place fairly well in all the time we used none of the rivets ever came out so it worked for the that
very nice work saving that deck!
still did same as you, I saved the deck BUT it's harder to scrape grass under the deck,,, I think next time I'll try to pop rivets from under to outside if possible, what do you think ?
If the deck wasn’t rotted out I would have simply put a new “Z” bend on the end of the cable, nothing’s wrong with the cable itself and Z bends are only a couple bucks. I always keep a pack of them in my parts box and order more when they get low. As for the deck; no way, no how, nope. I see a deck rotted out like that and I won’t touch the mower for any repair, too much of a liability risk. Parts donor and deck gets scrapped. I hate that LawnBoy / Toro quick release handle, it always screws up on those LawnBoy Insight mowers and the Toro Super Baggers. Great video!
oh yes I forget about the z bends you can buy, thanks I'm going to have to get some now.
Considering that Lawn Boy is a Toro brand and has been since 1990 or so, I don't think there's any "homage" to Toro's personal pace system here. It is Personal Pace under a different name. My interest is in 2 cycle Lawn Boys and I know little about the 4 cycles, but back in the late 90s/early 2000s there were two different high end two strokes sold along side each other with different drive systems. The 10525 had the Lawn Boy 3 speed transmission, and the 10550 which had the "Easy Stride" system-identical to the Personal Pace models of the same age. Somewhere in my stack of files I have a combined Lawn-Boy/Toro self propelled drive service manual that covers the Lawn Boy single speed, Lawn Boy 3 speed, and the Personal Pace/Easy Stride/Sense-a-Speed. The latter are all in same section of the book.
thanks for letting me know, I guess they couldn't come out and say that it was the personal pace system just on a different mower, otherwise consumers would know what was happening
😂😂😂 I would scraped the whole mower... but I'll be watching to see it again. Later
yes I completely understand why
How can you test run a used mower that’s for sale at a used equipment roadside sale just to see if the engine is good?
for a mower, without fuel on hand, either from the gas tank, or from a can of something flammable, there is no good way.
@@HomeGaragechannel can I squirt fuel in the carb like you do with the trimmers?
sure if you had some with you at the time
well from my view yes i would replace the SP (Self-Propelled) cable as it,s not hard to replace at all and yes on the deck part prevention is better than a cure with patching that up than seeing it in the dumpster etc.
you make a good point, I'd rather patch it then see it go was well, thank you Patrick Stapleton
@@HomeGaragechannel yes for sure.
I'd probably replace it and charge less for labor so they could afford it. There's a chance they'd tell their friends about the great service and may get more customers. For the deck, I don't have welding experience, so I'd probably use JB weld with small pieces of metal. Thanks for the video!
no problem and you would be correct
I'm in favour of the cable fix and I'd fibreglass the deck. Keep up the good work
Thanks, will do David Clarke
I would go with fibre glass fix ,or make a metal patch with rivets used as fasterners
thank you Anwar Khan
I save Z bends from cables that have broken. I keep about 5" of wire at the end (or as much as I can salvage) and will simply crimp them together to repair a cable - essentially, a free repair because the sleeves are super cheap. Toro/Lawn Boy are notorious for the self propel Z bends breaking for some reason. Since the cable is adjustable on those, there's a bit more leeway in the repair if you're a bit short/long compared to the original.
As for the deck.....I'm thinking a thin piece of sheet metal could be welded to it - a bit of work, though, esp given the contour of the top of the deck. JB Weld does make "steel weld" in a stick/putty form. Would take a bit to repair this, and some time, but can't be any worse than duct tape. Either way, sounds like the owner is on borrowed time, and just wants to keep it going until it's finally beyond repair.
Are the sleeves you use the same as the ones in fishing wire trace kits?
I use 1/16" Aluminum Crimping Loop Sleeve 200PCS, Cable Ferrule Wire Rope Sleeves - I dont know if thats the same but if you Amazon those you should be able to compare.
I have a Mower with a hole in the Deck. Trying to figure out how to fix it. No welder available.
how big is the hole? IF It's small, I'd use JB weld or Quick steel. But it's if's over 3" in diameter that won't work
@@HomeGaragechannel the Hole is about 2.5". I ordered some stainless steel to attempt to screw in a patch.
I figured you would move the engine. That corner of the deck has no structural safety left.
you are correct but when it's not my mower I'm kind of limited. I know that a larger shop would have just refused to work on it
I believe that's a fix rooted in Alaska
nice!
Ha ha😂 love it !
In a commercial shop in western Canada they will not work on a mower with holes in the deck without fixing them or replacing deck.
that makes sense
Option to replace but with its condition no just fix.😊
agreed!
Well a little mig welding and should be good.
yes that would definitely work
I would use the wire wrap fix.
thank you Larry Kelly
You noted it correctly "lawn boy branded mower" that isn't actually a real lawn boy if it has a 4 stroke engine.
you are correct
If I were going to the headache to fix that deck. I would have insisted on getting a new cable. It's one thing to do a redneck fix if you just are going to get a new mower, but if you plan on continuing using it for a considerable length of time (more than a mow or two) I'll just get a new cable.
that makes complete sense
For what a cable cost I would of replaced it especially after you fixed the deck.
yes you are correct
Bondo! To the rescue. I used it on a really bad flip as well.😂 it works on boats as well.
nice thank you John Wayne
I'd rig it up the same way you don't make sense Put a whole lot of money In something that's at shot Thank you for the video
I know right, thank you Lil Joe II
I would say save up to get a new one. 😂
good advice
New cables are like 20$. If you cant afford a cable you got bigger troubles to worry about than a mower.
Peaches, apples, pears, blueberries, muscadines, grapes, tomatoes... money DOES grow on trees AND bushes too.
yes I would assume so
Man I was hoping you used ramen to fix that hole😂😂😂😂😂
LOL!!! you know what , next time!!
The ole farmer's fix -- duct tape and bailing wire.
yes you are correct !
I thought that was a "Red Green " repair. Duct tape that is.
Enter Frankenmower!!
correct, and assembly is a pre-requisite
It probably hard to find a Donner deck .it looked thin to weld . Fiberglassing is a option. But I'm guessing JB weld for metal would do a great job. And last for years .
Great job 👍
thank you James S. Putman and you would be correct
Totally understand helping somebody out with their old mower, but any push mower with a rusted out deck like that becomes a parts mower for a better deck and dead engine and totally not worth the possible liabilities to resale. No, I would have patched the cable again for them since this mower is getting close to heading to the “last quarter acre in the sky” just to help them out, but for a nicer resale mower, I would have replaced the cable with, at least, a good used one.
you make sense but this mower is not for sale it belongs to my coworker
"Almost old enough to purchase alcohol!"
I would change the cable if it was mine. As a temporary fix I would red neck it.
me too, thank you RayFpv.
Sounds like it has a little knock
the engine very worn, in fact it's much worse than I'm presenting it, so yes it does a little knock, but for it's age it's pretty good.
If the customer doesn't want a cable then not much else you can do. As for the deck though i just wouldn't do anything to it unless the the hole gets fixed. I don't normally have time to screw around cutting it out and welding bits in so i don't normally entertain something like that.
you make a good point about the deck
Those cables are $10-15 on Amazon
I'd have to check that against the model number but it sounds about right.
It's running on borrowed time 😮
yep, that engine even though it sounds okay, is very worn out, and now the deck is beginning to go it won't be long before it's discarded
@@HomeGaragechannel okay thanks for letting me know about that matter young man 👍😎
Quick tig
good idea
@@HomeGaragechannel a can and Tig could have finished the job in few seconds
I never do shoddy repairs for customers. If they want that type of repair they can find someone else. Your name and reputation is attached to everything you do.
My minimum on the deck would be to weld or pop rivet in a patch. No putty, bondo or crap like that.
yes you are correct and I appreciate your views
Try bondo
good idea
I think as long as a "redneck fix" works and isn't going to cause any further harm to the machine or hurt anyone, then it is fine. If it were something like an air filter or a blade adapter which could damage the machine, or hurt someone then it is nolonger okay. There is no reason in spending money on something like this when you could get a couple more years out of a free fix that worst case scenario has to be fixed again.
you make a good point, safety is very important
Spray wd on bottom of mower deck less grass will stick to it ..and a fix is a fix bro who cares if it dont look good if it works it works ..
nice
Redneck fix works. As for the deck, I'd put the engine on a good deck. Trying to weld that one might create a big headache, because the immediate surrounding metal is most likely too thin to do satisfactory welding.
you know your stuff!
@@HomeGaragechannel TIG rig maybe on a replacement plate. No stick welding.
So replace the deck but not a $10 cable?
understood
you make a good point , so do you really think I'm replacing the deck then?
I try to help people save money so if they are ok with the fix then so am I.
me too
How in the world did this deck get so much holes from rust??? My mower is 22 years old and it doesn't have any holes, zero rust on the deck. I don't understand people who keep their mowers outside in the rain. So stupid...
wet grass, and they never ever cleaned it. Worst part was they would put it up for storage just the same way.
File is more dangerously boring than an angle grinder?
have you tried using a file? the chances of slipping and hitting the edge is pretty high.
@@HomeGaragechannel I actually use files a lot for machining stuff so am good with a file. I would just angle the file and go almost straight down the blade so no hands get near it. Try a nice thick sharp lathe file (for something nicer then a mower blade), they are very nice and remove a lot of material pretty quick. This is all hypothetical I suppose because I either use an angle grinder or bench grinder to make it go fast. For a mower blade with the rocks I hit it would take forever to file all that material off…
you've got plenty of experience then, can't say the same for anyone else.
A fix is a fix. More economical and saves another thing going to the landfill.
yes agreed
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What the Hell are you taking about?
What the Hell is trypophobia?
Would be nice to just get to the point damn near fell asleep
you're welcome
First
thank you!
Hey bro, what's up? I have an idea as to what you're going to do with the mower deck and I'm not going to spoil the surprise. Redneck fix all the way bro. Fix is fix. The cheaper and faster the better it is for the owner.
thank you Ramadin Sookhoo!
Tell your friend to buy a new mower, he is not cheap is he!
he's on a fixed income, and is elderly
Red-neck fixes are a regular occurrence over here. If we didn't do that, we'd be broke.
yes agreed
Nope! A redneck fix is what it's all about!!! 😁😁😁
thank you Steve Everett
duct tape?
that's what they were using but it would eventually let go.
The condition of the deck gives me pause, but carbon fiber or fiberglass would fix it for awhile. I have not tried JB Weld, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Hell 3/4 of the cars where I live look like that deck... As for the cable? As long as it works and they're happy, it's all good.