Didn't want to slam this into the video to potentially shatter the absolutely extreme momentum of the content, but recently I decided to significantly cut ads across the channel because automatic ad placement has been *a bit* obscene. The automatic ad placement option for this video featured nearly twenty five ad breaks and that's just insanit-- EDIT: God fucking damn it lol th-cam.com/users/postUgkxDQZwBfbbVoGSkqKAp1vwVjbv1RmOpUJn
Firstly, obligatory disclaimer that i enjoy your contents and respect you as a person, because the internet has made many kinds of direct innocent questions seem like a personal attack. Secondly, as someone with english as a second language and an overall linguistic nerd, i must ask; why "nearly 25" and not just the precise number of 24? Is it habit? A fixed phrase? Or because 25 is funnier than 24? Because to my non-native brain, a concrete 24 feels (slightly) more devastating an indictment to TH-cam's insane auto-ad than a vague-ish "nearly 25".
If I'm being totally honest I was sleep deprived, counted twenty three the first time, then the second time I counted twenty four and I didn't have the will to count it up again so "nearly twenty five" seemed like a good compromise. Especially since Pre-Rolls and Post-Rolls exist, which can potentially add another break
Fair! My nerd brain immediately fired up on that phrasing, making the logical part unable to tell me to remember how exhausting editing videos are, and mine never breach the 15m mark, and as such that you miight not be in the mood to actually count. Hope the rest was nice, at least, despite TH-cam trying to mess it up at the last minute like that! Now, I _should_ comment on the video itself, but unfortunately I'm one of the endangered race of human that never touched Warcraft after finding out it wasn't anything like Minecraft "despite the name" when i was, like, 12. So all i can say that your narration and scripting is top notch as always. And thank you.
As an undead player since vanilla, I must say... 46:43 is a certified Undercity moment. Also you forgot the ICONIC pet cockroach vendor! You can't have a proper review of beautiful Undercity without him!
In regards to Silvermoon's political stability I'd add a note about the marriage between Lor'themar Theron and Thalyssra prior to the happenings of Dragonflight, creating a strong bond between Silvermoon and Suramar or Blood Elves and Nightborne respectively, another people with strong magic that may be rather far away, but what does distance mean when you have portals.
"what does distance mean when you have portals." A pretty nasty capacity limit. You may be able to travel instantly between portals, but their throughput is limited both by needing experts to create/maintain them, and their physical size meaning that you can only really walk through. Great for a few people walking from one side of the world to another, bad for moving tons and tons and tons of material. (Also apparently portals do not great things to the ley lines so you can't just Make More Portals unless you want to give yourself a negative space wedgie).
Actually it's explained in one of the books in the floating city that they have to give mages portal licenses because the ley lines might get overworked so it's best to use them at specific areas
I do think there’s another thing when it comes to defense/military aspect of both Ironforge and Stormwind…. They practically share a garrison due to the deeprun tram. If Ironforge is under siege and needs reinforcements/supplies. Deeprun Tram. Stormwind under siege? Deeprun Tram. The only way to feasibly siege either of these cities and be successful is to blitz the tram.
Ah, wonderful. The best overthinker on the platform has graced us yet again with a peek into his absurd mind. Time to bring out the fine china and some extra salt for my popcorn
This video reminds me of why i love the world part of world of Warcraft so much. You did a really good job of sharing the feelings and vibes that keep azeroth as my online home of choice. Are the stories often wild a little.... ass pully? Absolutely, but I just love the world those stories take place in, and no other of the big 3 MMOs has ever made me just want to hang out in it like wow does, and this video also showcases how good Blizzard has always been at matching environmental music with it's places. Dazar'Alor especially gives me chills and I'm mostly alliance.
Keep in mind the cities in WoW are barely 10% the size of their actual lore size. Mostly to you know, make it easier and faster to navigate and not having to create an entire zone just for a city.
Goldshire canonically has a population in the tens of thousands. Or, just compare Stormwind in game to Stormwind in the movie. Or just like... the scale of everything in the movie.
I think I would like to live with the dwarves in Iron Forge. Like, it seems well put together and one of the most defensive places is on a mountain, I imagine being IN the mountain is only better. I can’t imagine, like you said, anyone successfully laying siege to Iron Forge. You can’t lay siege to an entire mountain. That goes double for a mountain with an underground railroad, that they can ship imports and exports with. You’re not laying siege to them at that point you’re just being a minor inconvenience.
Even in Warcraft 2, Ironforge was deep in Horde-occupied territory, they took over basically everything south of the Thandol Span and pillaged anything south of Lordaeron, but never did get into Ironforge
You can have as many destined heroes fighting apocalyptic doom dragons as you want but your shining capital city on a hill won't be doing well if you don't have enough farmers paying their taxes
Zodiac Age has proverbially been stuck in my "games I really need to beat" backlog for so long. When it comes to RPGs I love generally minmaxing a party to the point where I've just constructed a well oiled war machine of fire and death, and the Gambit system is so amazing for that playstyle. Yeeeeet I think I'm only like twenty hours in after four years?
@@DaveyGunface Its a common dilemma, I am pretty sure half my FFXII (and TZA) playthroughs are like 30% done because I wanted to max out early. It's the closest thing to a single player MMO I can think of (as oxymoronic as that sounds)
@@giovanniprovost If you want a single player MMO, look no further than the Xenoblade Chronicles games. 1, X and 3 are the perfect RPGs IMO, while 2 made some INCREDIBLY questionable decisions that undermine the experience as a whole. 1, X and 3 are perfect though.
I love how this video is so unhinged i forgot what it was about 3 minutes in and just listened to the incomprehensible ranting (it never stops and i like)
I know this will mean nothing to anyone but I would like to point something out: Thrall DIDN'T cheat in the duel against Garosh. The version of that type of combat that everyone thinks is default *isn't*, and there's literally nothing against using external powers. In fact, it's normally encouraged, as it's a show of who is best at single combat in general, not who's best at exclusively weapon usage.
Great video! I don't know much about WoW, but I love deep dives into worldbuilding. :) If you're really planning to continue this as a series, I recommend you check out the book "Virtual Cities. An Atlas & Exploration of Video Game Cities." by Konstantinos Dimopoulos and Maria Kallikaki. It's a fascinating journey through the history of video game cities ranging from really obscure ones to others that are more well known. There is also a section about Orgrimmar in there. It's a bit of a dry read, but insightful nonetheless, since the author is an expert on city planning.
Man there's so much I dislike about wow, especially retail. But the world is just so cosy and classic fantasy. I don't even have nostalgia for it, I only leveled a character to 60 last year for the first time. There's just something about azeroth that's just special
The real key to interacting with Dazar'alor was understanding the Pa'ku totems. Without them, you were making doom-runs that take several minutes top-to-docks, and that is hell in my mind. Truly, the key to living with the trolls is actually living like the trolls and taking the Loa unto yourself
Ironforge is the only real answer. In all the lore the gates of Ironforge have never been breached. The Legion, Scourge, Blackhand's Horde, the height of the Frost Troll empire and even the elemental lord Ragnaros have all knocked at the gates but nothing with ill intent has ever walked passed those gates in the lore (In the game Ironforge is the easiest city to walk into as a Horde player). If your goal is to live as a bread seller Ironforge has faced nearly every major threat that has destroyed at least 1 major city of the other races with the sole exception of the Bastion of the Dwarves. The only threat you'd face as a citizen of Ironforge is some minor political tension between the 3 Dwarf clans currently ruling over Ironforge.
Silvermoon desperately needs an update I really wanna see what the city would look like with how much the Blood elves have been winning on the development front since their introduction.
I mean it would look mostly the same, just more buildings in the tiny scar crack and Eversong Woods being twice as large... it's comical how little the Scourge apparently destroyed of the city
Wtf, why have I never been reconmended this channel? Even just hearing your voice makes me happy for some reason, my favorite cities have always been and will always be Ironforge and Darnassus. Shattrath is close too but that one is almost entirely nostalgia based.
Davey, I love ya and your content, I really do. You've provided me with many hours of entertainment. I've watched and re-watched nearly all of your content multiple times. It truly is great! So when I say this, please understand this come from a place of love: Stop removing and unlisting your videos. I beg you! Please! After watching this video, I went "Huh, he brought up that blind demon hunter play through he did. I kinda want to watch that again. That was good content." So I go off on a little journey to find it only to discover its disappearance. I even tracked down the Wowhead article to find a direct link to the video only to see that it was unavailable. That video was my introduction to your channel. It and the starcraft videos are what made me subscribe. Then you start putting out videos on other topics like pokedex warcrimes and Bethesda tomfoolery that cemented my decision to stay subscribed no matter what. I enjoyed your long form video about RPGmaker games and cringed (in a good way) at the sheer fuckery you got into for that Mass Effect video. It's clear you put in a hellish amount of time and effort for these videos. And you've certainly improved. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that. But don't remove the old stuff just because you think that they aren't up to snuff. Admittedly that's only what I think has happened. I don't actually know for sure why things are gone now, but this seemed like the most likely reason. Every step of this journey you've taken and shown us has value, especially the beginning, rockier parts. Sorry for the rant, my dude. Thanks for all fun.
No worries about the rant captain, I totally get it! Honestly in retrospect I just didn't like the fact that the variety on my channel was pretty minimal to start with, and I didn't feel very happy about the quality of the content being released. I guess if it makes sense my goal was to make sure that anyone who clicked on my channel and looked at my catalogue would be able to see something they'd probably enjoy watching, but I can 100% agree that it eventually got too vindictive for lack of a better word. Glad you've stuck around for so much, and I hope I can continue to make comic antics that you enjoy :D
I have never and very likely will never play a WoW game, so I think it's safe to say the fact I'm watching this at all stands testament to the fact that this channel's one of those "good no matter what topic is being discussed" typa things.
I would never do it but my content definitely has that "TikTok video where you have something on the top half of the screen and some shit like Subway Surfers on the bottom to provide continuous stimulation" energy
I;ve been watching this video for 2 days, bit by bit. I really hope this doesn't screw over the algorithm. But the video has been super nice. Like one of the best and most cozy vids I've watched this year. You did a great job.
And a other video about a game i never played, where you managed to keep my attention throughout the whole video. How do you keep doing that Mr. Davey Gunface? (Also dragon whelp daycare worker sounds like a dream job and almost sold me on WoW)
I'm definitely glad that's the case! I've said it before but I try my best to make videos watchable for people who don't play the games that I do, while simultaneously not being descriptive enough to lose people who're veterans or know what the hell I'm rambling about :P
Huh, this didn't show up in my timeline, thanks TH-cam, very cool, I totally need a bunch of card game VODs I couldn't care about on there from a game I don't even know or care about instead of stuff I actually watch
Man, the story of the Zandalari kinda reminds me of something ive heard jewish people refer to about their holidays and traditions where so many of their celebrations boil down to - they tried to wipe us out, we survived, we always will, now lets eat. Serious tenacity.
i dont know anything about wow, have no interest in the game, but as soon as i saw this vid i said, hell yeah im watching that. i love this style of long form analysis
33:21 I think its interesting how the denizens of this magical universe describe the force behind this disaster as some kind of magical corruption/plague. Because to me, the explosion of a technologically advanced facility causing deadly storms and an energy/force that permeates everything in the area down to the soil and surrounding sea? Which in turn kills, sickens, & mutates the native plants, people, & wildlife? Sounds a lot like just.. non-magical, very realistic radiation to me. Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isle are radioactive af, Exodar was a chernobyl-level event. The real world force of radiation being interpreted as some kind of magic by the less-advanced inhabitants of a magical world is just such a fascinating little detail to me. It's also even more interesting how the draenei arent as affected by the radiation as the native life they feel responsible for harming in that starter zone.
For sure, I wasn't sure how much lore I wanted to dump into the video since it's practically endless, but I think I tried my best to hit a middle ground between "descriptors that non-WoW players can understand" and "summaries that WoW players can agree/disagree with"
@@DaveyGunfaceI'm a daily wow player so obviously biased but I think this was one of my favorite videos, if not the favorite I've seen by you. It felt very emotional in a way I very much connected to about how I feel logging in and just going about things in the world.
I mean it makes sense why Sylvanas didn't go after the draenei, they have a functioning space ship that can exterminatus its enemies... though with her plot armor I'm sure she could have taken it down single-handedly :D
Very fitting race/class combo to be honest, Tauren Hunter was my first character when I started playing the game and although it's definitely a meme combo I can't help but adore their everything. Even if their helmets are depressing
I'm very much fond of the idea of researching some Home Owner Association guidelines to figure out which crime sims have the most ethical/legal properties, but I did spend countless months researching OSHA and War Crimes so I think I need to loop back to that before anything else
As an undead main from vanilla im quite triggered. I really liked the circular design of the undercity as it was quite easy to find everything and you cant get lost. Thunderbluff and orgrimmar have some odd layouts and npc quest givers that are hard to find while i particularly found that thunderbluff was difficult to navigate and landmark it.
That might just be familiarity with the city as an unread main because as a blood elf, the last place I'd want to go is UC. It's like all the worst features of the other capitols rolled into 1
@@JJJBunney001 Well the bank is located in a central area that looks cool as hell while all the auctioneers are in a circle right around the corner which then links to all the quarters which have everything you need for profession mats/training. I havent really played wow since wrath but during vanilla when they added auctioneers to the main cities I made Undercity my home. I dont see any problems with it whatsoever. i really liked the atmosphere and music of thunderbluff but it wasnt really located near anything important and it was badly organized. I think within the scope of the version of WoW that I played the only viable home cities were either orgrimmar and UC because they were the only cities that had Zepplins and the fastest access to end game raids/dungeons. I dont remember much of Silvermoon other than the music was nice but overall I thought it was too bright. To me I think UC is kind of insane to have as a capital because its right beside western and eastern plaguelands so you have easy access to Western/Eastern plaguelands as well as having the option of taking a bat to kargath or take the zeplin to stranglethorn vale and flying from there to kargath. There are literally no downsides to having Undercity as your home city because it gives you the easiest access to all the game's content while having all the amenities you need to buy, sell and craft. Orgrimmar is just annoying because there were too many people there.
It's still a literal sewer collector. Which is great for the undead, but you know Also it has weirdly zigzagging paths between the rings, which make me think they were built this way to delay potential attackers first, and to let people walk through them second. Also in line with the Forsaken and their paranoia
Maybe I'm just too ignorant but Garrosh Alt-F4ing existence because of his sheer arrogance was the ONLY redeeming quality of Shadowlands so in my eyes, the elements were bastards
god damit thunderbluff has really poor handrails. How many workplace accidents have been caused by a stump and a rope not stopping a 400 Pound bull man from falling off a cliff.
Ah yes, thunder bluff is completely defenseless. Don’t mind the two elemental shamans doing more to stop invaders on foot than literally any other city’s guards, that isn’t much
In game, yeah you can just stick an Ele Shaman or a Boomkin on each elevator and you win. In lore, once you're actually IN Thunder Bluff, you've probably more or less won the assault. Which when considering the utter lack of any type of 'air defenses', or really any sort of defenses around the North, South, or Western sides of Mulgore, you're gonna have a bad time.
You do have to ask yourself, if the Horde completely and utterly crushed the Alliance, would the Horde truly be the Horde anymore? These are the questions that kept Garrosh up at night
Stormwind: Ehh, it feels a bit weird to be like "oh yeah I'd totally live in the most boring, regular city in this fantasy world." Orgrimmar: Too hot, both literally and politically. Ironforge: Now we're talking. I like the cold, and it would be hot enough inside to not have to worry about bundling up if you don't feel like it. I'd like to live in the bit between the mystic quarter and the Great Forge, and go for walks out front in the cold. Thunder Bluff: I want to like it, but I'd be too nervous about falling or jumping off. It would be a nice community though. Also the battle is still in last I knew, it just mostly takes place at night. Exodar: It's so pretty though? I'm pretty sure I would be happy there, I live in Seattle so it's not like the rain would bother me, and you could work on like, picking up stuff to make the environment better in your day to day life, and that would be satisfying to me. Silvermoon: It's fine, I guess. My main is a Blood Elf but she doesn't really connect with the place. Undercity: Nnno. No, I don't think so. Shatt: No one wants to be there, man. Dalaran: I would get shanked and dumped off the side. It's got the highest chance of any of these places of giving you magic powers if you train, but I'd go there for an apprenticeship and once it's over flee promptly. Shrines: I'd visit, sure, but no way would I stay there. Now, the Temple of the Jade Serpent I'd go for. (I'm totally not just gay for Yu'Lon.) Maybe Kun-Lai, if the Yaungol were back in Towlong. Dazar'Alor: As a non-troll, I'd get bullied hard. Boralus: If I grew up there, sure, but otherwise I think I would be too intimidated. I get the feeling that there's a lot of anti-tourist sentiment. Oribos: Have you seen what Shadowlands cooking is like? If you have to eat, then Oribos sucks so bad. Valdrakken: There's too many players there right now for me to really explore the place. I feel like if I could fly it'd be fine, or if I had a dragon girlfriend, but otherwise nah. Alexstrasza is also ridiculously beautiful I mean
Never expected a WoW video, but it is VERY welcome. WoW is just so nostalgic for me and one of the very few games that I've (regrettably) dove head first into the lore and have mostly enjoyed it. I find it hilarious that you also have a Saitama transmog on a bald Blood Elf. Love the video and production that went in! Shadowlands bad, give subscriber.
WoW is a game that I think has some of the best lore in the entire industry, but paradoxically its actual stories are hit or miss. It's a world I adore and a setting that you can truly immerse yourself in, at the trade off that it's better to ignore whatever is currently happening in the universe and focus on the smaller things if that makes sense.
@@rocket_hops Both, although I don't have any max level Alliance toons right now. I do have a bunch of level 61's for speedrunning since Night Elf is pretty much the only race capable of achieving WR's, but that's a story for another time :P
That, and I don't really think many people would want to go there post WoD? I don't think the conflict is really relevant and if you wanted to go to Draenor for whatever reason, the garrisons are a significantly better option.
Didn't want to slam this into the video to potentially shatter the absolutely extreme momentum of the content, but recently I decided to significantly cut ads across the channel because automatic ad placement has been *a bit* obscene. The automatic ad placement option for this video featured nearly twenty five ad breaks and that's just insanit--
EDIT: God fucking damn it lol th-cam.com/users/postUgkxDQZwBfbbVoGSkqKAp1vwVjbv1RmOpUJn
Firstly, obligatory disclaimer that i enjoy your contents and respect you as a person, because the internet has made many kinds of direct innocent questions seem like a personal attack.
Secondly, as someone with english as a second language and an overall linguistic nerd, i must ask; why "nearly 25" and not just the precise number of 24? Is it habit? A fixed phrase? Or because 25 is funnier than 24? Because to my non-native brain, a concrete 24 feels (slightly) more devastating an indictment to TH-cam's insane auto-ad than a vague-ish "nearly 25".
If I'm being totally honest I was sleep deprived, counted twenty three the first time, then the second time I counted twenty four and I didn't have the will to count it up again so "nearly twenty five" seemed like a good compromise. Especially since Pre-Rolls and Post-Rolls exist, which can potentially add another break
Fair! My nerd brain immediately fired up on that phrasing, making the logical part unable to tell me to remember how exhausting editing videos are, and mine never breach the 15m mark, and as such that you miight not be in the mood to actually count. Hope the rest was nice, at least, despite TH-cam trying to mess it up at the last minute like that!
Now, I _should_ comment on the video itself, but unfortunately I'm one of the endangered race of human that never touched Warcraft after finding out it wasn't anything like Minecraft "despite the name" when i was, like, 12. So all i can say that your narration and scripting is top notch as always. And thank you.
eat a rock 👍
@@dontsubfortheloveofgod I consume coal for breakfast every single day mate, you're not a real man unless you know how to mine coal and fix cars
Dazar'Alor is basically like Coelacanth, whatever happens it will be there, and when nothing will be left it will still be there.
Very apt metaphor, I love that
As an undead player since vanilla, I must say... 46:43 is a certified Undercity moment.
Also you forgot the ICONIC pet cockroach vendor! You can't have a proper review of beautiful Undercity without him!
In regards to Silvermoon's political stability I'd add a note about the marriage between Lor'themar Theron and Thalyssra prior to the happenings of Dragonflight, creating a strong bond between Silvermoon and Suramar or Blood Elves and Nightborne respectively, another people with strong magic that may be rather far away, but what does distance mean when you have portals.
"what does distance mean when you have portals."
A pretty nasty capacity limit. You may be able to travel instantly between portals, but their throughput is limited both by needing experts to create/maintain them, and their physical size meaning that you can only really walk through. Great for a few people walking from one side of the world to another, bad for moving tons and tons and tons of material.
(Also apparently portals do not great things to the ley lines so you can't just Make More Portals unless you want to give yourself a negative space wedgie).
Omg I didn't know they got married, that's actually a really cute couple
Actually it's explained in one of the books in the floating city that they have to give mages portal licenses because the ley lines might get overworked so it's best to use them at specific areas
I finally have five minutes free, to watch one of Davey’s incredibly short video’s.
I hope you had a good break!!
@@DaveyGunface 👍
I do think there’s another thing when it comes to defense/military aspect of both Ironforge and Stormwind…. They practically share a garrison due to the deeprun tram.
If Ironforge is under siege and needs reinforcements/supplies. Deeprun Tram.
Stormwind under siege? Deeprun Tram. The only way to feasibly siege either of these cities and be successful is to blitz the tram.
Ah, wonderful. The best overthinker on the platform has graced us yet again with a peek into his absurd mind. Time to bring out the fine china and some extra salt for my popcorn
Who eats popcorn on fine china bro?
This video reminds me of why i love the world part of world of Warcraft so much. You did a really good job of sharing the feelings and vibes that keep azeroth as my online home of choice. Are the stories often wild a little.... ass pully? Absolutely, but I just love the world those stories take place in, and no other of the big 3 MMOs has ever made me just want to hang out in it like wow does, and this video also showcases how good Blizzard has always been at matching environmental music with it's places. Dazar'Alor especially gives me chills and I'm mostly alliance.
Keep in mind the cities in WoW are barely 10% the size of their actual lore size. Mostly to you know, make it easier and faster to navigate and not having to create an entire zone just for a city.
Goldshire canonically has a population in the tens of thousands.
Or, just compare Stormwind in game to Stormwind in the movie. Or just like... the scale of everything in the movie.
I think I would like to live with the dwarves in Iron Forge. Like, it seems well put together and one of the most defensive places is on a mountain, I imagine being IN the mountain is only better.
I can’t imagine, like you said, anyone successfully laying siege to Iron Forge. You can’t lay siege to an entire mountain. That goes double for a mountain with an underground railroad, that they can ship imports and exports with. You’re not laying siege to them at that point you’re just being a minor inconvenience.
Even in Warcraft 2, Ironforge was deep in Horde-occupied territory, they took over basically everything south of the Thandol Span and pillaged anything south of Lordaeron, but never did get into Ironforge
The developers will take this as a hit list
You can have as many destined heroes fighting apocalyptic doom dragons as you want but your shining capital city on a hill won't be doing well if you don't have enough farmers paying their taxes
Undercity the literal toilet, exposed by the Davey. I am happy. Also using Bhujerba was a very nice touch, that is a badass city.
Zodiac Age has proverbially been stuck in my "games I really need to beat" backlog for so long. When it comes to RPGs I love generally minmaxing a party to the point where I've just constructed a well oiled war machine of fire and death, and the Gambit system is so amazing for that playstyle. Yeeeeet I think I'm only like twenty hours in after four years?
@@DaveyGunface Its a common dilemma, I am pretty sure half my FFXII (and TZA) playthroughs are like 30% done because I wanted to max out early. It's the closest thing to a single player MMO I can think of (as oxymoronic as that sounds)
@@giovanniprovost If you want a single player MMO, look no further than the Xenoblade Chronicles games. 1, X and 3 are the perfect RPGs IMO, while 2 made some INCREDIBLY questionable decisions that undermine the experience as a whole. 1, X and 3 are perfect though.
PS: The high ceilings of IF make it cool and breezy at ground level as all the hot air goes up.
I dont even play WoW but im fuckin hyped for this
Davey, you know 22:00 is gonna make us want to see a deep rock video
did i hear a rock and stone?
@@tonyleierROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE
I love how this video is so unhinged i forgot what it was about 3 minutes in and just listened to the incomprehensible ranting (it never stops and i like)
I know this will mean nothing to anyone but I would like to point something out: Thrall DIDN'T cheat in the duel against Garosh. The version of that type of combat that everyone thinks is default *isn't*, and there's literally nothing against using external powers. In fact, it's normally encouraged, as it's a show of who is best at single combat in general, not who's best at exclusively weapon usage.
Great video! I don't know much about WoW, but I love deep dives into worldbuilding. :)
If you're really planning to continue this as a series, I recommend you check out the book "Virtual Cities. An Atlas & Exploration of Video Game Cities." by Konstantinos Dimopoulos and Maria Kallikaki. It's a fascinating journey through the history of video game cities ranging from really obscure ones to others that are more well known. There is also a section about Orgrimmar in there. It's a bit of a dry read, but insightful nonetheless, since the author is an expert on city planning.
Man there's so much I dislike about wow, especially retail. But the world is just so cosy and classic fantasy. I don't even have nostalgia for it, I only leveled a character to 60 last year for the first time. There's just something about azeroth that's just special
At this level of monotone Davey will eventually get outsourced to an otamatone.
I'm so blatantly monotone that I'm pretty sure I could put in my voice into an A.I. Synthesizer and it'd honestly be pretty accurate
@@DaveyGunface this is so fucking funny after you actually did that and it was slightly less monotone of a voice.
The real key to interacting with Dazar'alor was understanding the Pa'ku totems. Without them, you were making doom-runs that take several minutes top-to-docks, and that is hell in my mind.
Truly, the key to living with the trolls is actually living like the trolls and taking the Loa unto yourself
"I couldn't relaly choose between Technology, Industry, and Economics, so we're going with TIE"
Me: **tie fighter noises**
Ironforge is the only real answer. In all the lore the gates of Ironforge have never been breached. The Legion, Scourge, Blackhand's Horde, the height of the Frost Troll empire and even the elemental lord Ragnaros have all knocked at the gates but nothing with ill intent has ever walked passed those gates in the lore (In the game Ironforge is the easiest city to walk into as a Horde player). If your goal is to live as a bread seller Ironforge has faced nearly every major threat that has destroyed at least 1 major city of the other races with the sole exception of the Bastion of the Dwarves. The only threat you'd face as a citizen of Ironforge is some minor political tension between the 3 Dwarf clans currently ruling over Ironforge.
Silvermoon desperately needs an update I really wanna see what the city would look like with how much the Blood elves have been winning on the development front since their introduction.
I mean it would look mostly the same, just more buildings in the tiny scar crack and Eversong Woods being twice as large... it's comical how little the Scourge apparently destroyed of the city
Wtf, why have I never been reconmended this channel? Even just hearing your voice makes me happy for some reason, my favorite cities have always been and will always be Ironforge and Darnassus. Shattrath is close too but that one is almost entirely nostalgia based.
i love your videos davey, I love watching your video, and your jokes. much love too you
Davey, I love ya and your content, I really do. You've provided me with many hours of entertainment. I've watched and re-watched nearly all of your content multiple times. It truly is great! So when I say this, please understand this come from a place of love: Stop removing and unlisting your videos. I beg you! Please!
After watching this video, I went "Huh, he brought up that blind demon hunter play through he did. I kinda want to watch that again. That was good content." So I go off on a little journey to find it only to discover its disappearance. I even tracked down the Wowhead article to find a direct link to the video only to see that it was unavailable. That video was my introduction to your channel. It and the starcraft videos are what made me subscribe. Then you start putting out videos on other topics like pokedex warcrimes and Bethesda tomfoolery that cemented my decision to stay subscribed no matter what.
I enjoyed your long form video about RPGmaker games and cringed (in a good way) at the sheer fuckery you got into for that Mass Effect video. It's clear you put in a hellish amount of time and effort for these videos. And you've certainly improved. Anyone with half a brain cell can see that. But don't remove the old stuff just because you think that they aren't up to snuff.
Admittedly that's only what I think has happened. I don't actually know for sure why things are gone now, but this seemed like the most likely reason. Every step of this journey you've taken and shown us has value, especially the beginning, rockier parts.
Sorry for the rant, my dude. Thanks for all fun.
No worries about the rant captain, I totally get it! Honestly in retrospect I just didn't like the fact that the variety on my channel was pretty minimal to start with, and I didn't feel very happy about the quality of the content being released. I guess if it makes sense my goal was to make sure that anyone who clicked on my channel and looked at my catalogue would be able to see something they'd probably enjoy watching, but I can 100% agree that it eventually got too vindictive for lack of a better word. Glad you've stuck around for so much, and I hope I can continue to make comic antics that you enjoy :D
i didn't expect a WoW video (favourite game ever) but here we are!!! AND I LOVE IT!
I have never and very likely will never play a WoW game, so I think it's safe to say the fact I'm watching this at all stands testament to the fact that this channel's one of those "good no matter what topic is being discussed" typa things.
Finally, i was gonna go to the hub but this glorious wow city rating is far more stimulating
I would never do it but my content definitely has that "TikTok video where you have something on the top half of the screen and some shit like Subway Surfers on the bottom to provide continuous stimulation" energy
As long as you're not doing what you'd do if you were on the hub then there's nothing weird about that 😂
Wildhammer Fact Checker (Red Shirt Guy) was the best thing that ever happened at any Blizzcon ever.
I;ve been watching this video for 2 days, bit by bit. I really hope this doesn't screw over the algorithm. But the video has been super nice. Like one of the best and most cozy vids I've watched this year. You did a great job.
The Undercity was cleaned, cleared and is inhabited again. They're working on the inside, underground, but it is, technically, liveable again.
1:30:54 Yes. Retcon Beta For Azeroth & Shadowlands!
And a other video about a game i never played, where you managed to keep my attention throughout the whole video. How do you keep doing that Mr. Davey Gunface?
(Also dragon whelp daycare worker sounds like a dream job and almost sold me on WoW)
I'm definitely glad that's the case! I've said it before but I try my best to make videos watchable for people who don't play the games that I do, while simultaneously not being descriptive enough to lose people who're veterans or know what the hell I'm rambling about :P
Thank you so much for another banger video!
Huh, this didn't show up in my timeline, thanks TH-cam, very cool, I totally need a bunch of card game VODs I couldn't care about on there from a game I don't even know or care about instead of stuff I actually watch
Man, the story of the Zandalari kinda reminds me of something ive heard jewish people refer to about their holidays and traditions where so many of their celebrations boil down to - they tried to wipe us out, we survived, we always will, now lets eat. Serious tenacity.
i dont know anything about wow, have no interest in the game, but as soon as i saw this vid i said, hell yeah im watching that. i love this style of long form analysis
Biggest benefit of Ironforge is probably that is lots of employment.
33:21 I think its interesting how the denizens of this magical universe describe the force behind this disaster as some kind of magical corruption/plague. Because to me, the explosion of a technologically advanced facility causing deadly storms and an energy/force that permeates everything in the area down to the soil and surrounding sea? Which in turn kills, sickens, & mutates the native plants, people, & wildlife? Sounds a lot like just.. non-magical, very realistic radiation to me. Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isle are radioactive af, Exodar was a chernobyl-level event.
The real world force of radiation being interpreted as some kind of magic by the less-advanced inhabitants of a magical world is just such a fascinating little detail to me. It's also even more interesting how the draenei arent as affected by the radiation as the native life they feel responsible for harming in that starter zone.
Man, I just play Hearthstone; this is way above my head. There's a spaceship full of hot aliens? And it's a low tier city??
love the video, its always a fun day when i get to watch a video of yours^^
I don't remember which video made me subscribe to your channel, but this video has been super entertaining so far (Darnassus part)!
1:15:54 anarchy chess
lmao the little zergling at 37:31 "fucking goodbye lol"
I love brief videos
never had much issue with dazar alor, everything important was near a flight point or in the main pyramid itself
Given the fact Ironforges halls have eminently vaulted ceilings, there's probably a system there. (or it IS the system.)
This felt a wee bit more rambly than the usual. Take that as you will.
For sure, I wasn't sure how much lore I wanted to dump into the video since it's practically endless, but I think I tried my best to hit a middle ground between "descriptors that non-WoW players can understand" and "summaries that WoW players can agree/disagree with"
@@DaveyGunfaceI'm a daily wow player so obviously biased but I think this was one of my favorite videos, if not the favorite I've seen by you. It felt very emotional in a way I very much connected to about how I feel logging in and just going about things in the world.
That Dalmatian section aged like wine after the War Within…
I guess opposite of back-handed compliments would be... er... front-footed insults?
I mean it makes sense why Sylvanas didn't go after the draenei, they have a functioning space ship that can exterminatus its enemies... though with her plot armor I'm sure she could have taken it down single-handedly :D
drust var gave us amazing lore relating to the vrykul, and bugger all else
Blizzard trynna make the night elves the new Zandalari, fuck em over and they just keep getting up.
Great video. Straight up.
Great video man, absurd quality every time
I did not expect to hear the word sissy hypnosis in a youtube video
"Oh hey a Davey video."
*it's almost two hours long*
"Oh, a _short_ Davey video."
If living in a giant furnace isn't going to kill you then not having sunlight is probably fine too :D
I thought I was the only Kansan who played WoW. Tauren Druid here
Very fitting race/class combo to be honest, Tauren Hunter was my first character when I started playing the game and although it's definitely a meme combo I can't help but adore their everything. Even if their helmets are depressing
Will you do something similar with the GTA cities or are you looking into talking about war crimes in video games?
I'm very much fond of the idea of researching some Home Owner Association guidelines to figure out which crime sims have the most ethical/legal properties, but I did spend countless months researching OSHA and War Crimes so I think I need to loop back to that before anything else
@@DaveyGunface heres an a idea overrwatch warcrimes
Sorry ment overwatch
@@DaveyGunfaceSuggestion: OSHA violations in S-23 Sierpinski from SIGNALIS.
Dalaran section aged well
I mean the draenei at least have a space warship :(
YO LETS GO VARROCK!!!!!!!!! BEST CITY!!!!!!
gilneas is back I can't wait for a gilneas ranking
Ironforge GOATED since classic
40:07 missing out exactly one tower, that is vexing, oh well, what can you do
I´d live in Thunderbluff, just for the slightest chance that i would be able to score a dommy mommy tauren that would care for me.
As someone who mains and who's favorite race is the Draenei, yeah, i agree, our city is... not great.
As an undead main from vanilla im quite triggered. I really liked the circular design of the undercity as it was quite easy to find everything and you cant get lost. Thunderbluff and orgrimmar have some odd layouts and npc quest givers that are hard to find while i particularly found that thunderbluff was difficult to navigate and landmark it.
That might just be familiarity with the city as an unread main because as a blood elf, the last place I'd want to go is UC. It's like all the worst features of the other capitols rolled into 1
@@JJJBunney001 Well the bank is located in a central area that looks cool as hell while all the auctioneers are in a circle right around the corner which then links to all the quarters which have everything you need for profession mats/training. I havent really played wow since wrath but during vanilla when they added auctioneers to the main cities I made Undercity my home. I dont see any problems with it whatsoever. i really liked the atmosphere and music of thunderbluff but it wasnt really located near anything important and it was badly organized. I think within the scope of the version of WoW that I played the only viable home cities were either orgrimmar and UC because they were the only cities that had Zepplins and the fastest access to end game raids/dungeons. I dont remember much of Silvermoon other than the music was nice but overall I thought it was too bright.
To me I think UC is kind of insane to have as a capital because its right beside western and eastern plaguelands so you have easy access to Western/Eastern plaguelands as well as having the option of taking a bat to kargath or take the zeplin to stranglethorn vale and flying from there to kargath. There are literally no downsides to having Undercity as your home city because it gives you the easiest access to all the game's content while having all the amenities you need to buy, sell and craft. Orgrimmar is just annoying because there were too many people there.
It's still a literal sewer collector. Which is great for the undead, but you know
Also it has weirdly zigzagging paths between the rings, which make me think they were built this way to delay potential attackers first, and to let people walk through them second. Also in line with the Forsaken and their paranoia
Good stuff mate
SIlvermoon might get that update with Midnight
... okay seeing a dragon with the title of "CHEESEMONGER" mildly amuses me. Any chance you'll do this kinda thing w/ FFXIV?
Thrall didn’t cheat at the Mak’gora unless they specifically set the rule not to have magic btw
Maybe I'm just too ignorant but Garrosh Alt-F4ing existence because of his sheer arrogance was the ONLY redeeming quality of Shadowlands so in my eyes, the elements were bastards
@@DaveyGunface Thrall really really really deserves a vacation from all of everything. I hope the next expansion literally leaves him out of it.
@giovanniprovost boy do I have news for you, he's the WoW "ambassador" for Blizzcon this year and everyone is expecting an expansion announcement.
@@jestrokc ... oh damn :(
god damit thunderbluff has really poor handrails. How many workplace accidents have been caused by a stump and a rope not stopping a 400 Pound bull man from falling off a cliff.
Say what you will about the Deeprun Tram, that place makes playing Classic INFINITELY easier as Alliance.
this was such a good video thank you lol
I bet Stormwind has outrageous rent though.
Rest in peace Gilneas, Blizzard is never going to do anything with you, ever again...
1:25:05 literally me
Commenting for the algorithm
THIS THIS VIDEO IS WHAT GOT ME TO SUB AGAIN FUCK
Ah yes, thunder bluff is completely defenseless. Don’t mind the two elemental shamans doing more to stop invaders on foot than literally any other city’s guards, that isn’t much
In game, yeah you can just stick an Ele Shaman or a Boomkin on each elevator and you win. In lore, once you're actually IN Thunder Bluff, you've probably more or less won the assault. Which when considering the utter lack of any type of 'air defenses', or really any sort of defenses around the North, South, or Western sides of Mulgore, you're gonna have a bad time.
I hear the words you're saying, but what is this Alliance you speak of, sir? Hoard For Life!
You do have to ask yourself, if the Horde completely and utterly crushed the Alliance, would the Horde truly be the Horde anymore? These are the questions that kept Garrosh up at night
What’s the game at around 0:19-0:29
That would be SOMA, incredible game that is absolutely worth going into completely blind
Well yes, I do like bats, zombies and Frankenstein laboratories, and this video didn't have enough of it. Therefore, I give this video a 0/10 D-Tier.
we getting out of the (reference) with this one (Im sorry I havent WoW)
Stormwind: Ehh, it feels a bit weird to be like "oh yeah I'd totally live in the most boring, regular city in this fantasy world."
Orgrimmar: Too hot, both literally and politically.
Ironforge: Now we're talking. I like the cold, and it would be hot enough inside to not have to worry about bundling up if you don't feel like it. I'd like to live in the bit between the mystic quarter and the Great Forge, and go for walks out front in the cold.
Thunder Bluff: I want to like it, but I'd be too nervous about falling or jumping off. It would be a nice community though. Also the battle is still in last I knew, it just mostly takes place at night.
Exodar: It's so pretty though? I'm pretty sure I would be happy there, I live in Seattle so it's not like the rain would bother me, and you could work on like, picking up stuff to make the environment better in your day to day life, and that would be satisfying to me.
Silvermoon: It's fine, I guess. My main is a Blood Elf but she doesn't really connect with the place.
Undercity: Nnno. No, I don't think so.
Shatt: No one wants to be there, man.
Dalaran: I would get shanked and dumped off the side. It's got the highest chance of any of these places of giving you magic powers if you train, but I'd go there for an apprenticeship and once it's over flee promptly.
Shrines: I'd visit, sure, but no way would I stay there. Now, the Temple of the Jade Serpent I'd go for. (I'm totally not just gay for Yu'Lon.) Maybe Kun-Lai, if the Yaungol were back in Towlong.
Dazar'Alor: As a non-troll, I'd get bullied hard.
Boralus: If I grew up there, sure, but otherwise I think I would be too intimidated. I get the feeling that there's a lot of anti-tourist sentiment.
Oribos: Have you seen what Shadowlands cooking is like? If you have to eat, then Oribos sucks so bad.
Valdrakken: There's too many players there right now for me to really explore the place. I feel like if I could fly it'd be fine, or if I had a dragon girlfriend, but otherwise nah. Alexstrasza is also ridiculously beautiful I mean
Never expected a WoW video, but it is VERY welcome. WoW is just so nostalgic for me and one of the very few games that I've (regrettably) dove head first into the lore and have mostly enjoyed it. I find it hilarious that you also have a Saitama transmog on a bald Blood Elf. Love the video and production that went in! Shadowlands bad, give subscriber.
Shoutout to me completely missing the other WoW video and commenting before the video ended 🥲
WoW is a game that I think has some of the best lore in the entire industry, but paradoxically its actual stories are hit or miss. It's a world I adore and a setting that you can truly immerse yourself in, at the trade off that it's better to ignore whatever is currently happening in the universe and focus on the smaller things if that makes sense.
The Night Elves had like 10 000 years of political stability after the Sundering so I don't think it's that bad :D
Nice 👍
For the algorithm
what server do you play on o.o
I personally play on Wyrmrest Accord, although I'm just there because I had a few friends there in past expansions. Not really an RP guy
@@DaveyGunface horde or alliance? i play on moonguard alli, WRA horde
@@rocket_hops Both, although I don't have any max level Alliance toons right now. I do have a bunch of level 61's for speedrunning since Night Elf is pretty much the only race capable of achieving WR's, but that's a story for another time :P
@@DaveyGunface i hope i run into you someday
For rock and stone!
Were Warspear and Stormshield not included due to being "temporary" camps and not actually a capital city?
That, and I don't really think many people would want to go there post WoD? I don't think the conflict is really relevant and if you wanted to go to Draenor for whatever reason, the garrisons are a significantly better option.
The obvious choice is to live in Silvermoon, beatiful elfwomen everywhere that will do damn near everything for a sip of mana...
holy shit thank you