Is 2018 Ram 2500 HD Cummins More Efficient at Towing Than a Ford?
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Great video. Just out of curiosity how many miles are on the trucks? I'm wondering if the break in time has a factor.
What is the thing with Americans with cum and trucks!!! WTFFFF
6 in a row, ready to tow.....8 in a V, you sit down to pee.
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I bought a 2017 ram over ford and chevy for a few reasons, but the biggest was bang for the buck. Go compare features between the ram and ford and you'll see how much ford nickles and dimes you for options. I got a fully loaded ram for a great price, much cheaper than Ford, and it does what I need perfectly, i couldnt be happier. You can look at towing numbers all day, but in the end, if it fits your needs and saves you 10k then its an easy choice.
omni875 enjoy your new rig. I'm looking to get into a new 3/4 ton next year , but it won't be a ram that's for sure. Not saying I don't like the truck or the motor, it's just not worth it in the long run for me. I trade my trucks in about every 5 years, so that alone will keep me from buying one. Ram has the worst resale of any truck on the road, and it makes sense to. Any dealer that can sell there fully loaded trucks at 10-15k off any day off the week, is a cheap truck to begin with. So it's no wonder there's not much resale value. However, it is really tempting to get a truck that much cheaper. Hope your rig treats ya well. Cheers
Ram Does have a lower re-sale but in the 3/4 -1 ton segment they are all about the same. Look at early 2000 model trucks. Assuming around the same mileage and overall condition of the vehicle a 2002 truck (Dodge, Chevy or Ford) will all sell for around the same price. The Dodge might even sell for a little more considering it is a highly popular sought after engine(cummins). Bottom line is if you can get a similar spec'd truck in a Ram for 10k less you are better off. I promise you 10 years from now any of the big three brands are going to sell within ($1000) of each other.
Randy Cupp I don't no, I still have some time before i buy, won't start shopping until next spring. But by then the new Rams will be out and I'm not sure if I like the new look or not. I'll have to wait and see it in person. I'd have no problem buying a GM if it wasn't for where there DEF tank is located. It's a terrible spot. I do love my Fords tho, but there all so closely matched now it's really have to choose. And they all work great and could be a perfect truck , and you could get a lemon from any of them too.
I couldn't have said it better! I wish we could combine things from all of the manufacturers to make a "perfect truck". Not sure if I am crazy about the look of the new Ram either, but they usually grow on me. I would be surprised if a 3/4 or 1 ton is available in the new body style for the first year since it is somewhat traditional for ram to release them for the second year of the new body style run.
+Matt S I Run Ford Superduty's and Ram trucks on my Ranch. when it comes to resale Ram has treated me very well.
Honestly its been a tuff buy to trade a Superduty in for a new Superduty. The worst was trying to trade off a 05 F350 powerstroke. Had the typical 6.0 problems but everything worked and the truck was clean. Wanted to get another Ram but several dealers wouldn't even trade it in because of the know engine problems. Ended up getting a 11 SD with the 6.7 powerstroke. darn good truck overall. Traded that off on a 17 SD but again resale on the Ford wasn't great. Only reason I went with Ford is because it's a new designed truck. So it was something different. My favorite truck is definitely Ram.
Andre said it best. There is a reason why semis and heavy equipment use the straight six. It is the most efficient, and makes the most usable torque.
Cummins rules.
CAT C9 400hp 1000tq
Reason why you don't see any inline 8 diesels is cause they flex and bend to much and it doesn't work all that great.
DD15 475 hp 1800 pounds of torque
Jay Farmer to bad the shit is still wrapped around the Cummins. Yup...turd!
Just rounding the numbers for a gallon less I can get a ford and have allot less engine trouble and yes my dad is a auto mechanic and I do know some about trucks
Fewer cylinders will always have the efficientcy advantage. All things being equal with displacement, you'll always have less friction with a 6cyl vs 8 as the 6 has fewer moving parts.
Every couple of months we get another recall on our Cummins Rams. The dealers never have the parts, so the recalls stack up.
John Carder wow really man that makes me look at these trucks different now. Buy a truck come to find out theres a recall and the dealership doesn't have the damn parts. Who wants to go through that.
This is true. I have a recall on the water pump because it might cause a fire, and other recalls. The dealer doesnt seem to want to do them. What gives?
all vehicles have there share of recalls. whats your point
I own a 2019 Ram Tradesman 2500 Crew Cab 2wd with the fifth wheel towing package,18" chrome clad wheels and tires, and a few other options. I got the vinyl seats and rubber floors. I absolutely love the truck and I feel like at 45k out the door I got my money’s worth.
Would like to see a new manual g56 dually get tested up the IK or the 100mi loop.
+The Fast Lane Truck y’all should do a 2018 Ford F-350 SRW with the 6.7L Diesel and a 2018 RAM 3500 SRW with the 6.7L I6 Cummins Diesel with the AISIN 6 Speed Automatic Transmission
tuned 2014 3500 aisin here its a brick with wheels and rocket engine on it
The cummins is hands down the most dependable, efficient, and powerful. There were multiple runs done on a dyno with all three manufacturers and the cummins was the only one that was close to what the manufacturer suggested horsepower and torque. The duramax with the hood scoop and all was the worse of the three. These trucks are not ment for groceries, they like to be worked. Cummins all the way.
jeffrey micholas Look at the actual dyno sheet. There is no sheet to back up the claimed 800+ number. www.tfltruck.com/2017/03/2017-heavy-duty-turbo-diesel-dyno-battle-truck-puts-power-video/
jeffrey micholas and here is the complete dyno sheet they took down from the main article after we called them out- www.tfltruck.com/2017/03/2017-heavy-duty-turbo-diesel-dyno-battle-truck-puts-power-video/2017-ram-3500-cummins-dyno/
The Cummins is not the most powerful dumbfuck
Agreed, go Cummins, it might be behind on "numbers" but in reliability and endurance is the best diesel truck out there in the market. It doesnt matter if you look at the legendary 5.9L 12 valve or the 6.7L they last long, and they are strong.
All of the Big 3 make a good product. At this point it comes down to personal preference and price. However in this comparison I thinks it's pretty impressive that the Powerstroke got less than 1mpg less while having 70 more horsepower and 125 more lbs of torque.
But it also has 2 more cylinders. I'm sure if the ford had v6 rather than a v8, first it wouldn't come close to the same power, and second, if the dodge had a straight 8, it would be huge, and it would use more fuel.
Anthony Pfohl How does the number of cylinders matter when it is the same displacement?
Anthony Pfohl the number of cylinders don't mean anything. Do you even know what displacement is?
Gerard Klein Give me a single cylinder with a piston the size as a dinner plate
***How does the number of cylinders matter when it is the same displacement?***
More combustion strokes for the same number of revolutions...
I find out this week if I am the proud owner of a 2018 Ram Laramie 4x4 with the 6.7l Cummins! I can’t wait! Thanks for the great comparison video, The Fast Lane Truck guys!
"Wow, that's a great cap for the cap less thing." 🤷♂️
Very good point about Diesel cap!!! Ram engineers definitely know how to properly engineer fuel Cap. Ram has created job security for mechanics, the more dirt gets into the fuel the shorter the life of fuel system becomes. Go RAM.
repairvehicle while I do agree they should put a real fuel cap on, (ya know like the past 115 years of cars have had). Any dirt will not make it past the sock on the end of the fuel pick up and none will get past the fuel filters.
I noticed this genius design after buying my 2016 Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4. Being in AZ the fine as talcum dust we have here 24/7 365 wreaks havoc on fuel injectors. As a auto and diesel tech of over 25 yrs I could not leave that uncovered. Simple solution is aftermarket aluminum cap. Bought this 1 it fits perfect and sticks to truck while filling so won't lose it. www.amazon.com/2013-2017-Diesel-Billet-Aluminum-Magnetic/dp/B00ZEJGDT4
Ram uses 2 fuel filters one under the bed next to the spare tire and 1 in the engine compartment, plus the screen filter in the tank on the pump. Trust me its a pain and costly to change them on my Cummin
offroadingidiot Ah it's only like $100 bucks if you diy, ok thats not exactly cheap for 2 fuel filters and some o-rings not a bad job though except the rear one, first time I did it I drained it as per instructions then carefully remove *gush* yup still full of diesel. Front one was easy
So to everyone commenting on the cap less system it actually has a cap. It just an internal one. If you don’t put the fill nozzle into the neck far enough the diesel will spill on to the ground. Also the internal cap is also water tight but I did put a cap on mine to keep dust off the internal cap
You forgot to mention the paint color of that handsome Ram; New Holland Blue.
You should do a test with and without that fancy genY hitch. See if it actually does improve mpg.
That would be pretty neat, but I suspect many miles would have to be driven in order to get any kind of meaningful result (one way or another).
Both very nice trucks. That being said it would be hard not to go with the Ford being less than 1mpg difference & the truck itself seems much nicer... The only other thing the Ram has going for it is the motor is still very accessible conpared to the Ford, but ince you do an EGR delete in the Ford it free's up a lot of room as well & if I bought either of these trucks they would immediately get a DPF/DEF & EGR delete immediately...
Bring back Mr. Truck!
I was in that area recently. The wind was intense and some of the tumbleweeds with gigantism were actually dangerous.
By the way the introduction was made, I assume these tests were not conducted on the same day. Wind and temperature can play a HUGE role in MPG. I understand it's impossible to drive every 100 mile loop in every truck on the market in one day in the same weather conditions, but it's also impossible to claim that this test has any validity as well.
Really, no tests should be really valid, as conditions are always different. Maybe long term tests can be reliable, although it would only be accurate for that region it was tested.
Berol2000 They, nor most consumers, don’t understand that.
You could just get multiple drivers and multiple trailers and drive the trucks at the same time, obviously cruising at a good distance apart from each other so you would have almost the identical conditions 🤷🏼♀️. I don't think it would be impossible it's just I don't the TFL has that many resources.
It does however give you a ballpark for what that vehicle can do
Non Ram guys/Ford enthusiasts + this video = TRIGGERED
It be nice to see the big 3 get away from the torque and HP marketing wars and improve on these trucks fuel efficiency. All these trucks have plenty of power, hope to see increased fuel economy in the future. Great video, thanks for sharing.
Agreed. You have to have a CDL to even come close to maxing out these rigs and you have to consider that a good majority are going to be daily drivers with some occasional towing and hauling. Most diesel trucks I see actually towing are usually a horse trailer or a 5th wheel camper which are well within the tow ratings of diesel trucks 10+ years ago.
Only way to improve fuel economy in a full size diesel truck would be to make it lighter and smaller motor. Or delete and tune it. You can get a 3-5 mpg increase from deleting and tuning any diesel with the right tune. It's a no brainer as it pays for it's self within 2 years with all that fuel you save and you'll be able to get 15 years out of the truck no problem if you take care of it.
that is really high mpg compared to the 1500 trucks when towing
also 63,000 for a truck with cloth seats is crazy. but it is my dream truck. sunroof and cloth!
The Fault in Our Cutie Marks With the extra price you pay for the Diesel engine plus the maintenance cost, you will not make your money back for a very very long time in fuel mileage.
Just look for a used one with low miles. My 17 Laramie ctd sticker was 66k never owned but hat just under 4k got it for 52k.
I was looking at that and wondering what a gas engine would get under the same conditions, I was guessing 6 MPG. But, as One2 stated, diesel takes a very long time to pay off all considered and the average consumer is really better off with a gas engine unless they tow every week.
My wife bought a 2018 Ram 2500 Tradesman Crewcab 4wd with the 6.7L Cummins. The 3.42 gears seem a little tall. And at some point the truck will get 35" or 37" tires to replace the 275/70-18 tires. So I will have the dealer change the gears to 3.73 or 4.10. The truck is rated to tow a very good weight. But I expect that I will probably have a CAconversions.com Allison 1000 upgrade done at some point.
The shocks have been upgraded to Bilsteins in the back. But since my wife said no lift yet. Eibachs in the front. I changed to Carbon/metallic brake pads all around. The truck now behaves more like a sports car on twisty mountain roads.
Odd thing though. My wife traded in a 2014 Ram 1500 Tradesman Crewcab 4wd 3.6L gasser, with 3.21 gears. The fuel economy is the same between both trucks. She says I should have done a better sales job on the Cummins VGT engine brake. And she would have never bought the 3.6L gasser!!!!! Ever!!!!!!
My wife is a cheapskate miser. The price difference between the 2 trucks was about $14k. We live in a semi-rural area with flash floods. And sandy spots as traps when pulling over to let emergency vehicles pass. It rarely snows that much, but has been 3' deep.
The 2500 is a monster compared to the '79 Toyota Corolla she drove when we got married in '85. I had a '79 Ford F250 Supercab 8' bed. She claimed my truck was ridiculous! Now her 2500 Cummins is the ultimate vehicle. How times change.
What was the axle ratio of each truck? .9 mpg in a single run is a wash. The Ram likely had the 3.42 gears. The Ford either has 3.31 or 3.55.
The Real John Smith the axle ratio on its own is irrelevant. The transmission ratios aren’t going to be the same, the tire diameter may be different too.
Alex Stelling I agree. There are so many variables its ridiculous. Axle ratio, tire size, trans gearing, and driving habits all play a factor. One hard acceleration even will throw it a few tenths. Thats why I say .9 is a wash.
Plus they are comparing a fully loaded optioned out Ford to a dodge that isn't.
Fordman7575 Great observation. When you add a the bells and whistles it adds weight as well.
Love the T-Shirt Nathan!
We have this exact truck, color and all, and pulling our 11,000 lb setup we very rarely see above 10, even completely flat at constant speed. Thoughts on why we aren’t seeing these numbers?
First thing I would like to say is thank you for tests worth watching. There are a few things that come into play here and one of the most important is the power level. In the diesel world having a lower power setup leads to better fuel mileage. This is why big boy fleet trucks will have 9L-12L engines only making a tiny 350-450HP or so and the higher power engines are just accepted as going to use more fuel. Over the road (Semi trucks) use inline 6 engines because of space, cost to build, and simplicity. It's super simple when exhaust goes out one side of the engine and air comes in the other side. There are other reasons as well, but not worth going into. Either way it looks like Cummins has chased fuel mileage more than Ford where Ford has chased power. For the minor difference I would take the power.
Weight towed: 12500 lbs. Distance: 98 miles. Ford: 10 mpg. Ram: 11 mpg. If this "test" is valid, the Ram mpg is 10% better than Ford mpg. The Ford payload rating is about 700 lbs more than Ram, which is about a 30% increase. [from prior TFL vid: Nissan Titan XD CTD pulled 7000 lbs box trailer over 98 miles and achieved 11 mpg]. I'd say the 3/4T diesel trucks compare very favourably for mpg. Also, I think many truckers would trade 10% less mpg for 30% more payload, so Ford may keep its #1 spot. Hello TFL: have you done this test for the Chevy?
are there other factors to affect mpg than the engine?
what is the gear ratio?
what is the truck weights?
JK 241 Yes. Thats why no professional lab nor SAE even try to scale towing for mpg. Too many variables.
Nathan is the coolest guy in TFL. He has a Rush Starman t-shirt.
I found that my F250 could get up to 15 mpg using my rear airlift system when hauling a 15000 lbs fifth wheel. Not engage when hauling I got only 10 mpg. Big difference. I just traded my 2016 F250 due to the exhaust system going out and got the Ram 2500. They are having the same issues VW did with their diesel engines.
Well darn. I have a 2500 w/6.4L and don't like getting 8 mpg when towing. I figured out if I drop to 61 mph, I get about 11 mpg. I've been thinking I'd go with the Cummins for the next truck, but your mpg wasn't much better.
What happened to the ecodiesel not showing it as an option anymore on the dodge web site. Are they offering it in 2018 ? Or is it dead due to extreme EPA regs
680ecks Its supposed to come back. They were caught cheating like VW.
I've driven Dodge, Chevy, GMC, Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, Aston Martin, Porsche, F-1 Falcon, SS1 Normandy, Mongoos, etc... They all crapped out on me in 5 years. But my Ford, 3 million miles later and it still does better than a Tundra.
Richard Resendez Lol I cant wait for people to take this seriously.
Haha you are full of it
I know, right! I drove mine to Mars and back. Over 18 Billion miles and never replaced anything! Still has the factory tires.
You sound exactly like a chevy owner.
Richard Resendez lol. Best comment!
You do plan on this same test with a comparable Duramax correct?
When it comes to using a truck as an efficient tool to make money with, you cant beat the I6 Cummins.
If you are in northern Indiana you'll see trucks all over with their DOT numbers leaving with all sorts of RVs- almost all the trucks you see are dodge, there is a reason for that.
A less powerful vehicle returning better MPG?
What a shock.....
for more more $
It's a less powerful engine, but has comparable torque and payload/towing ratings to that of the Ford. If you're getting hung on the power #'s, then you don't understand the reason for owning a diesel.
My 05 turned up to almost 900 ft lbs would tow a 15k gooseneck box and get 12.
Ford guys always basing diesels off HP numbers instead of Torque. Haven’t seen a V8 diesel in a semi have you? The point of owning a diesel is for better MPG and torque over a higher HP gas motor. Yeah the Ford diesel has higher HP but the torque numbers are the same. Cummins that are tuned and deleted will get even better MPG putting out more HP and torque so your argument is pointless.
I'm Tired of Being Right All The Time! Lol, do you even drive a diesel?
LOL at all the people throwing a fit over the "detuned" Cummins big whoop, that's what Ram decided was the best route to take when installing it in a 2500, hell the 4500 and 5500 commercial chassis cab trucks with Cummins have always been detuned to 350hp
Drew w exactly. I've driven some of the 5500s for work, and they are absolute beasts at towing. They are detuned, but that helps longevity. I'm not saying the Ford is unreliable, but it's been 35k miles of abuse on our first 5500 and we have 0 issues
What is the governed rpm of the 5500? The Cummins 6.7 in a MDT chassis is governed at 2500-2600, thus giving it less HP.
Is it really de-tuned when that was the big their big numbers before using the Aisin in the 3500's ?
Clayton Blachly yes, because they're rated at the flywheel, not the wheels. My guess is the Aisin is rated to a higher torque thus the power bump for the 3500's, plus now they can use it as a selling point on 2500 vs. 3500.
sean weaver yea we've got a 4500 on the farm and it tows great, fuel mileage is terrible compared to our old 3500. But it sure tows a lot better and more comfortably.
It's also nice to see the motor in the Ram. All you can see in the Ford is plumbing and God help you if you need service after the warranty. The cab must be lifted off the frame to work on the Powerstroke.
Ram once again shows what a truck should be. Did you know Ram introduced a diesel in a light duty truck in the first place? Just about every good idea came from Ram and when they were Dodge. This truck is a master piece and that's why you see 5 to 1 Ram's hauling equipment on the road for businesses.
Just picked up my 2500 cummins great truck and I'm glad it doesnt have a sunroof I hate those things.
Than you for all the videos and information but when doing these videos can you please specify the gear ration of the trucks your using.. As we all know gearing is everything and it would be nice to know what your using.. Thank you
The funny thing is, my family tows our bowpicker that weighs more than what your towing, and our truck is a 2004 Ram 2500 hemi.
That ram fuel cap is so cheap. Looks like someone just went to home depot and bought whatever they could find to fit. You spend 60k on a truck a d don't even get a real fuel cap. What else did they cut corners on?
I think that cap is supposed to be thrown away after delivery. Not retained to be used by the owner.
Zayne so then it doesn't even have one? That seems kinda silly
Maybe, but it is a "capless" tank, so by definition... no cap. (I kept mine just to keep dust out, but when I lose it I'll have to decide if its worth replacing.)
Usually, "capless" only means the owner doesn't have to remove a cap, but it's not actually capless, as there's a rubber boot in the door to seal when it's closed. I didn't see one here. It's a bit odd indeed.
The new Ford F150 doesn't have a cap. Their are also chevy models that don't.
Love how they are comparing different year models.
I have issues with these tests. The longer you sit I mean I know real world. But say for instance you catch the green light for exiting and entering freeway limiting down time. Vs the other truck getting stuck at both red lights idling for 2-3 min and the dead stop take off vs rolling acceleration. The difference in these 2 are very marginal. .8 miles a gallon can be made up on one truck and or lost on the other.
If you look at previous episodes, some testing mileage. The Ram diesel seems to always come out in top. Duramax is usually really close.
These comments make me LOL. I've owned all 3 brands - two of them failed constantly, but the third one has been extremely reliable. Clearly, mine is the best, becuase everyone else will have the same experience I had. Duh!
so which one did good then
So name yours then. I'll let you know how they did at a company who buys 50 trucks at a time.
He was being sarcastic you nimrods.
Never trust anyone wearing a Phish shirt.
How often do you check trailer tire pressure? Im sure you do . Thank you both again for your commitment. db
can you do a mpg with no towing for the ram 2500hd?
Don't care about paper stats, in the real world the Cummins wins. Straight six has always been the best design going back to Ford 300 six and Jeep 4.0 litre.
If the engine was the only thing you needed in a truck, yeah get the Ram. I hate the 5 seconds of lag when pulling away from the lights. The Ram 2500 has the worst ride and the lowest payload with those coils. Weakest transmission of the 3.
Alex Stelling sure it dose
Kinda looks like you are using a 2inch hitch in the 21/2 on the truck without the reducer sleeve?
I love your guys videos but I notice small things that aren't kept constant such as read end ratio in other videos small things wind, temperature, and are the trucks fully warmed up? I would also love to see a manual ram gauntlet test.
In my opinion that is a very good looking truck as well.
Hey guys thanks once again! Ok so that’s mileage, but what about ease of travel and towing? We all know it’s down owner 100 lbs ft. Plus about 60 hp? So there must be a difference? But that was still only 12,000 lbs? Or at least under the max rating. But I love the Ram, it’s just about like one I would build if ordering! Either that or a 3500 Aisin. Yes even over a Ford or Chevy. Just due to the idea of ownership for many years with the ease of maint room you have with the Ram over the others. Plus the interiors are actually nicer than Fords and Chevy highest trims. Sure Ford has more electric drivers aids. But I’ve been towing trailers, from 18 wheels down to my little travel trailer and do not need “aids” or what I’ll call glovebox drivers! The one item with the Ram I’m not too crazy about, is the way you cannot get the nicer bright exterior colors on that particular Harvest Package in the Harvest colors of the nice blue of the test Truck or the Harvester Red, with either you are limited with the black interior, where as if you go with black, white or silver, the only other colors available with the Harvest Package, you can get, depending on trim level, the interiors with Canyon Brown, Light Frost Beige That adds some lightness to the interiors instead of basic black! In a Laramie you can get Pearl White with the beautiful Black, Brown Light Frost Beige, on the Line Star the same is available, but in bright white not Pearl White.
One thing you guys always fail to mention is engine break in. A Cummings doesn't break in till it reaches 25,000 miles. when that occurs you can feel the power increase and the fuel economy increases. .
Not a Big suprise that the inline engine would be a hair better on fuel and i am guessing that you had it in the Right RPM range when towing where as your V8 will need to Rev faster to make it and its a Harvest Edition So i See it was A New Holland Blue Paint
Tundra owner here but I have experience with all 3 of the big three heavy duties. The Ram has the best engine in the class, Ford looks the best by far, and gm/chevy rides the best. All three loaded trucks are too close to call in quality interiors. But the best bang for the buck is a 4x4 non HO Cummins with 4x4
What 3/4 Ton truck getting the best mileage empty? Just everyday driving situations.
Was the cruise control used for both trucks at the same speed?
Sorry people but you ain’t going to beat the Cummins for all around better motor period!
Leonard Russo *engine
Cant go far without a good transmission. Which dodge has the weakest
RuggedSportsmen Ah your wrong again I know a Hot Shot guy who has the Aisin Trans option which is available on 3500 & up 350K miles & still towing just fine 😉
NO ! As a dealer owner and my buddy owns a Transmission shop,GM/Ford/Dodge transmissions all last almost the same,if you take care of them in all trucks they will last very similarly ..Except the old Dodge 727 that outlasted any GM/Ford trans...GM/Ford made many years of junk trans,far worse than Dodge !
Uh oh Hot dog Ah Not with the Aisin Trans option
It's also great to see a 10 year old truck beat brand new updated trucks! Love it.
Eh .82 mpg pretty well a wash to me. Test on same day then maybe we will talk real world results.
Would like to see a video on a entry level version of the ram 2500 base model. For someone who is looking at getting a truck that big.
That milage is so close it shouldn’t even be a factor when buying a vehicle. Ride, looks, and best technology should be what matters.
So I have been looking into buying a 2500/250 and a guy I work with says go ram because his 250 is in the shop all the time and the Cummins engine is way better. This would be my first diesel. Anyone experienced both of these and have a unbiased opinion.
How could a hitch effect mileage?
Waiting for electric tow trucks. Diesel trucks are now dying. You now have all this EGR and def fluid shit to deal with. Now we have 3L diesels ? Wtf. Loved the 7.3L and 5.9L 12V days.
Rush 2112 shirt! Awesome!
Cummins baby!!
I would be interested to see a Ram 2500 Cummins with the manual on y’alls Ike Gauntlet and MPG loop. I doubt Ram has many of those for press vehicles though.
Have a 2014 manual 2wd, with a high top cap, gets 22 hwy, 14 - 16 MPG pulling a 6 foot wide tandem cargo trailer
nice to see a 10 year old truck beat newer truck...
RAM was redone a few years back,new frame etc......So with your theory,Remember Ford had a truck from 1997 -2017 that never changed,ever..The body was the same but even I know they changed a few things..But No,they didnt since you're ignorant about RAM ..Even the F 150 is the same since 2004,just aluminum body..So,Ford trucks are older..GM same as 2007/08 ...
ford new transmission is made by gm. the ecocrap are not reliable. theyre sale number are like political party some people vote for the same thing all the time and never try something else because they think its the best but they are pretty always the same crap. dodge not fiat made this truck because if fiat made theses the cummins will have been out replacaced by one of theyre own engine.the fact that a 10 year old truck that had some suspension modification still beat the crap out of a brand new design show how much dodge was ahead of the other.
+JFV1134 Are you kidding?? About the only thing that did change in 2013 was the body. New frame, new steering and front suspension design, new emission design, updated the interior design.
Uh oh Hot dog lol what good is technology if it doesnt run? those 10 speed ford transmissions have insane amounts of problems. also every diesel since the 7.3 has had insane amounts of problems too. so yeah cheers ford in there sweet technology. how about a vehicle that can last first huh?
+havok x had two 7.3 powerstrokes purchased new. I will take the New emission motor's anyway over a 7.3
Why does Dodge down-tune their engine for the 3/4 ton? Is there an MPG advantage to that?
Kcducttaper1 lol wouldn't be surprised
ShinerBock2007 is that the consensus among Ram owners? Have people with the 68RFE tried to bump their power output and ran into transmission woes? Honest questions because I truly dont know, I just have a hard time believing that Ram needs a beefier transmission just because of a 100ft/lb bump in torque output while still offering the 68 on 3500 trucks that still can see quite a bit of stress.
ShinerBock2007 thank you for expanding on that and being honest. I completely agree. And seeing as (I think) all chassis cab medium duty versions of these trucks all have "detuned" engines is only proof that this is a stupid numbers game that internet fanboys love to cling onto.
I know a guy who bought a new 3500 with a 68rfe. removed the trans not long after purchase for an upgrade and really regrets doing it at all. has had nothing but trouble from what he has told me. also told me the hot setup is to swap the older 4 speed with upgrades into that new truck and it will tow more and be stronger overal. just hearsay.. he has said it's been a learning experience for sure.
+Brandon Dumblewski the 4 speed swap is more for drag racing, definitely not for towing.
Did they say the rear axle ratio? also, is there an unloaded MPG loop for this 4x4? I saw one for the black 4x2. Thanks
All 2500's have 3.42 gears with the diesel.
im not surprised that de-rated cummins got higher MPG
This shouldn't be a surprise there is a significant power difference thus using less fuel.
So nice that RAM.
As those asked wherever a new ram 2500 with the Cummins is more efficent than a F-250 with the power-stroke over a test loop with at least a 10k cargo trailer in tow.
Does the 4x4 affect the mpg in a 3/4 or 1ton truck like it does the 1/2tons
Does that trailer come in a men’s ?
All sounds great ! But i want to see these trucks pull that load up a long steep mountain! This test was like driving a new car around the block Lol !
It's sad that the older trucks, pre-emissions do 10-15% better than the newer trucks on fuel economy.
love ford trucks but a guy has a sticker on his dodge truck: If I wanted a powerstroke I would have called your mom. That one made me laugh
That blue Ram is niiiiiiiiiice!
How does the Gen Y hitch improve the fuel economy ?
makes your wallet lighter
We have not been able to confirm this claim.
I’ve owned all 3, all in diesel ... they all have good traits ... we had the most issues with the early dura max what a PoS ... and 6.4 powerstroke was crap also. The 7.3 were solid and 5.9 with the 48re were good ... have a ram 6.7 now, time will tell ...
Really nice color on that Dodge.
Hi, can y’all do a MPG between the 2019 Ram 6.4 V8 2500 and 2019 F250 6.2 V8. Like the one y’all did in 2017?
Thanks
AB Q don’t buy for 2019 have issues ram new 2019 get 2500 diesel not 1500 also no gmc or Nissan wait for Chevy dura max or tundra diesel or ram 2500
If Ram ever gets their act together and puts a heavy duty eight speed or 10 speed in the 2500 that efficiency will even get better.
Liked for the Rush shirt.
Ram is massage seats away from being the best truck in the market
Except when it comes to safety, interior quality, premature rust, electrical issues, etc. Otherwise, definitely on Ford's coattails... lmao
Interior quality? Electrical issues? Are you forgetting the seatbelt crisis with ford? Safety is the exact same as a Ford. Interior quality is insanely nicer than all of the trucks right now.
Hanover I would rather a seatbelt fail instead of the steering. Lose steering at 65 and tell me how you feel
They need to run the trucks at the same time this would eliminate variables like the outside temp or wind.
I just bought a 2018 6.7 cummins 6 speed manual transmission, im totally not gonna delete the e r g or anything hehe..
You guys should test deleted trucks against stock trucks to see the fuel economy differences.
Need to see a Cummins with the manual transmission on these tests.
I’ve had both ford and dodge. My experience is with ford I never had any problems except motor. 6.0. With dodge I had problems with everything but the motor. And I mean everything. Solution was put 12v in the ford.
Will u compare the f150 3.0 diesel with the ram 1500 ecodiesel?
Love the straight six. If I was looking for one i'd go for a 2012 model. Something before the DEF fluid junk was added
Hoping someone with more inquisitive mind than me can answer a question. Whats the max towing (with a normal towing hitch and a 5th wheel and trailer) on a ram 1500 / 2500 / 3500 that are not dually. Answeres preferably in tons / kilos if possible