Horsehide is considered by some to be the best leather in the world. In this video, Sergei compares horsehide from two of the top tanneries in the world.
Shinki tends to be thinner leather. I personally like Horween because of the price and leather thickness. Regarding the makers, you had for your nice video, I find excellent quality at a very high premium. Personally, I will take a nice Reed in the J100 style and good Cal leathers in the cross zip over the models' feature here. There are a ton of nice jackets out there. I personally own many Bucos in my large size. But I have a very special place in my heart for my Californians and double swings Crescos.
Hey there sir. Greetings from Mexico. I would like to ask you: Horsehide is a looked upon leather here in Mexico, pretty much nobody knows it can be used and nobody knows it is actually a greater leather for jackets than lambskin or bovines (Pretty much only types of leather the artisans can get here) However, as i started my journey into this world and learned of different types of leathers, i became interested in horsehide and declare myself in the hunt for one of this grail pieces, and one day, after going to talk with some leather tailor friends here in my city (Family owned shop with more variety of leathers) they told me and showed me a horsehide, in cuts that seem to be enough large to make a jacket out of them (Even more easily considering me being a 36 size) and they sell the cuts of leather enough to make a jacket out of, at 50 USD. (Plus i would need to pay some 30 - 50 dollars at least to get the jacket made) It seems to be supple and such, however the hide i think is chrome tanned and to be around 2oz (0.8 or 1mm) more or less, in thickness. Do you think a horsehide in this thickness and tanning would stand up nicely to stress and last some 60, 80 years to be passed down to a relative in the future? Worth commenting i don't ride bikes and if i did, i would use my 3 - 4oz cowhide jacket. I would like to know your opinion on this since the price is so cheap, not strangely cheap for like the leather to be bad or such, tanneries charge so little here in Mexico that a jacket made of the heaviest leather possible and by hand, costs 100USD, and i frankly wish a nice grail piece like a fitted slim cafe racer or biker so i can wear it in the rain and as i said, pass it down to a family member. Greetings
Pair any hh jacket with RedWing Teacore Heritage series engineers or iron ranger boots along with your fave pair of Levi’s or my favorite made in USA brand Diamond Gusset Denim . That’s timeless that’s badass!
Himeji is better than both Shinki and Horween, in my opinion. Horween can be great, but it is shockingly inconsistent. I've had some of the best leather I've ever owned come from Horween and then some so offensively bad that I've sent jackets back because of it. Shinki stuff is okay, bit it's got the opposite problem; I never see any garbage Shinki but I've never seen Shinki with grain or a finish that made me go 'wow'. The grain is small and so consistent that half the time it looks like fake embossed grain. That and I think horsehide should take the shape of the wearer over time, but the stuff is so soft that it looks like stuff you'd see on a runway model rather than a guy on a vintage motorcycle.
@@miracleman. There is a Himeji tannery though - am I misunderstanding the relationships somehow? I was under the impression that's where Y'2 got their leather from. I am certainly not speaking with any authority on the matter; I've only recently begun to learn about these japanese tanneries.
@@allrequiredfields there is a few tanneries in the area like "Almighty", "Cordovan" (not to be confused with Horween), Kurozan etc. When people refer to Himeji leather they refer to the area where the leather is being produced. Shinki Hikaku happens to be one of these tanneries.
100000% you can make a really strong case for something like a battered seal finish on an aero jacket. its not a pretty leather but its almost perfect on a moto jacket or a jacket that your really going to rough up. for me the biggest differences will be seen in tea cored leathers as they age but it more when playing around with colours rather than on a black piece. also to throw a spanner in the works Jake from almost vintage introduced us all to badalassi and its pretty unbelievable. badalassi in russet or tobacco is freaking amazing
I really like the 3rd black leather biker jacket 👍 I like jackets with a high shine to them. I have thought about buying or getting made a black patent leather biker jacket but it costs quite a bit of money than normal leather biker jacket. Not seen anyone wearing a patent leather biker jacket or r blazer.
Hey! Most jackets will open up a bit as they are worn but we recommend getting your exact size. Each jacket has a different fit, some boxy and some more slim fitting. But if you want a tighter look on our jacket for example, check the measuremnt charts to make sure the arm length and other measurements wont be too small for you. I often do this for jean jackets. It just means I cant wear a sweater underneath. Hope this helps!
So refreshing to see someone that knows the diff between quality leathers and commercial leathers.
Learned something new within the first few minutes. Didn’t know they were just two leather producers. Still just horse hide. Great video 👍
Shinki tends to be thinner leather. I personally like Horween because of the price and leather thickness. Regarding the makers, you had for your nice video, I find excellent quality at a very high premium. Personally, I will take a nice Reed in the J100 style and good Cal leathers in the cross zip over the models' feature here. There are a ton of nice jackets out there. I personally own many Bucos in my large size. But I have a very special place in my heart for my Californians and double swings Crescos.
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Hey there sir. Greetings from Mexico. I would like to ask you: Horsehide is a looked upon leather here in Mexico, pretty much nobody knows it can be used and nobody knows it is actually a greater leather for jackets than lambskin or bovines (Pretty much only types of leather the artisans can get here) However, as i started my journey into this world and learned of different types of leathers, i became interested in horsehide and declare myself in the hunt for one of this grail pieces, and one day, after going to talk with some leather tailor friends here in my city (Family owned shop with more variety of leathers) they told me and showed me a horsehide, in cuts that seem to be enough large to make a jacket out of them (Even more easily considering me being a 36 size) and they sell the cuts of leather enough to make a jacket out of, at 50 USD. (Plus i would need to pay some 30 - 50 dollars at least to get the jacket made)
It seems to be supple and such, however the hide i think is chrome tanned and to be around 2oz (0.8 or 1mm) more or less, in thickness. Do you think a horsehide in this thickness and tanning would stand up nicely to stress and last some 60, 80 years to be passed down to a relative in the future? Worth commenting i don't ride bikes and if i did, i would use my 3 - 4oz cowhide jacket. I would like to know your opinion on this since the price is so cheap, not strangely cheap for like the leather to be bad or such, tanneries charge so little here in Mexico that a jacket made of the heaviest leather possible and by hand, costs 100USD, and i frankly wish a nice grail piece like a fitted slim cafe racer or biker so i can wear it in the rain and as i said, pass it down to a family member. Greetings
RMC shinki for me.. so amazing. Crisp, character and stunning stiching .
Good video. And thanks for the Fedora Lounge shout outs.
Thanks for the video! The difference is interesting. The horween style looks much better for me.
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whoa this is some crazy divisive territory to get into but both are really great for their own reasons.
Pair any hh jacket with RedWing Teacore Heritage series engineers or iron ranger boots along with your fave pair of Levi’s or my favorite made in USA brand Diamond Gusset Denim . That’s timeless that’s badass!
This is a badass comment.
Thanks for the information. That was great. You have nice leather items
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@fjorde Where did you get that vest you’re wearing?
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What a great, informative video. I also love the shirt & striped vest that you're wearing. What are they and how can I purchase these? Thanks!
That's a Iron Heart Vest. Currently that vest is stold out on ironheart.co.uk but you might luck out on Ebay. 👊
@@Fjorde Thank you brother.
Himeji is better than both Shinki and Horween, in my opinion.
Horween can be great, but it is shockingly inconsistent. I've had some of the best leather I've ever owned come from Horween and then some so offensively bad that I've sent jackets back because of it.
Shinki stuff is okay, bit it's got the opposite problem; I never see any garbage Shinki but I've never seen Shinki with grain or a finish that made me go 'wow'. The grain is small and so consistent that half the time it looks like fake embossed grain. That and I think horsehide should take the shape of the wearer over time, but the stuff is so soft that it looks like stuff you'd see on a runway model rather than a guy on a vintage motorcycle.
Himeji is the name of the town were Shinki is produced
@@miracleman. There is a Himeji tannery though - am I misunderstanding the relationships somehow?
I was under the impression that's where Y'2 got their leather from. I am certainly not speaking with any authority on the matter; I've only recently begun to learn about these japanese tanneries.
@@allrequiredfields there is a few tanneries in the area like "Almighty", "Cordovan" (not to be confused with Horween), Kurozan etc. When people refer to Himeji leather they refer to the area where the leather is being produced. Shinki Hikaku happens to be one of these tanneries.
100000% you can make a really strong case for something like a battered seal finish on an aero jacket. its not a pretty leather but its almost perfect on a moto jacket or a jacket that your really going to rough up. for me the biggest differences will be seen in tea cored leathers as they age but it more when playing around with colours rather than on a black piece. also to throw a spanner in the works Jake from almost vintage introduced us all to badalassi and its pretty unbelievable. badalassi in russet or tobacco is freaking amazing
You have Daniel-Day-Lewis vibe about you man. Nice vid here!
Thanks so much my friend! :)
I really like the 3rd black leather biker jacket 👍 I like jackets with a high shine to them. I have thought about buying or getting made a black patent leather biker jacket but it costs quite a bit of money than normal leather biker jacket. Not seen anyone wearing a patent leather biker jacket or r blazer.
Thanks for the reply! The shine is really nice. :)
Hi, great video. What about the streching on these leathers? Would you recommend sizing down because of it?
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Hey! Most jackets will open up a bit as they are worn but we recommend getting your exact size. Each jacket has a different fit, some boxy and some more slim fitting. But if you want a tighter look on our jacket for example, check the measuremnt charts to make sure the arm length and other measurements wont be too small for you. I often do this for jean jackets. It just means I cant wear a sweater underneath. Hope this helps!
Interesting..informative and entertaining...I always wanted to see jackets from these tanneries lined up.
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For me shinki more elegantly look
Fjorde, the Horween you are reviewing is not their flagship CXL right? maybe metropolitan? vermont?
Thank you for comparing the two! You mentioned the Horween hide was 1.4 c, how thick is the hide on the Shinki pieces?
It’s 1.2 …thank you so much for your awesome comment 🙏
Fjorde, where can I buy your leather jacket?
which horween is that? vormont ,cxl,rockford or essex horsehide?
Hi there! Horween Lux teecore horsehide! :)
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To me Shinki is far superior. I really enjoy Badalassi as well.
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or probably the "tumbled" CXL
Horween
Here you are without your beard . Gotta keep the beard for sure .?!
What the.. he looks older😵
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Horween always. No comparison. Robustly more durable. Longer lasting patina
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