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- 🌌 Join Syntell and Rekkai as they embark on this brand-new adventure through time and space with their first-ever viewing of "Doctor Who"! In this video, we react and review the 2005 series reboot, Season 3"
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The Doctor takes Martha to Elizabethan England, where William Shakespeare is under the control of deadly witch-like creatures.
This one was a bit tricky to label. On IMDB it's listed as Season 3 Ep 0, but on HBO Max it's listed as Season 2 Episode 14
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Interestingly Britain the mainland never had slavery, in fact it was outlawed in the 12th century and the first legal case of a runaway slave in Britain was found in his favour and he was granted freedom with his legal fees paid for him.
Later the British Empire abolished global slavery and went to war to free slaves.
Eventually it loaned a vast amount of money to pay to free all slaves which only just paid off a couple of decades ago.
The history of slavery is not black and white if you will forgive the pun.
Where on Earth did you read that Shakespeare stole what he wrote?
You need to get new sources on history.
This Queen is before the Queen Victoria who banished him. We do not know yet why this Queen Elizabeth is upset with the Doctor.
Timey wimey = confusing
Lolol 🎉
@@whovianTimeLord Thank you for posting spoilers, the thing us all are trying to avoid to these new Whovians on their first adventure.
If you could be a good Timelord, you may take your comment down, that would be nice.
@@channyh.221B I'm so sorry I have taken my comment down my bad
@@whovianTimeLord Thank you very much, you earned the tittle of a good Timelord for sure :)
The Doctor doesn't even know at this point. Not a spoiler because we see he's confused in this episode.
You got the wrong Queen. Queen Victoria banished them, Queen Elizabeth I chased him from the Globe.
I love Freema, I think she’s so beautiful and an underrated companion.
all the hearts 🥰
The best.
There are few as pretty as Freema to be companions. The actress announced for 2025 series, Varada, she may top them all! 👀😍We'll see though.
"Clapith?" LMAO!!!! This is one of my all-time favorite episodes!!! I love Martha (played by FREE-ma AH-ja-min) for many reasons. One of which is that in the first post-opening five minutes of this episode, she asked the Doctor everything I would ask him in her place, in pretty much that order. Her full arc on this show is interesting, that's all I'm gonna say. :) And don't forget that last scene: it's a different queen than the Torchwood one! :)
Fun fact, the country the doctor tells Shakespeare Martha's from FREEDONIA is from a Marx Brothers movie. "Duck Soup"
@@roberthager7390 YES!!!!! My joint!!! I'm a Marx Brothers man!!!!
😂🤣
David Tennant has great chemistry with every co-star. He can't help it.
David Tennant was nominated for an Olivier Award and won Best Shakespearean performance for that witches play." He's done tons of Shakespeare, including Richard II, which I was lucky enough to see live.
RTD intentionally made Shakespeare swagger because he thought Shakespeare was probably like a rockstar in his time.
David's Much Ado with Catherine Tate is one of my favorite iterations of that play.
This and the next season are the highpoint for UK exposure to the show... the highest ratings, most awards, most spin off shows (4) , exhibitions of props all over the UK, toys and even music concerts.... brilliant time to be a fan...
out of interest what are the other two spinoffs apart from torchwood and sarah jane adventures?
@@freddos616 they did a show called Dr who confidential that aired right after the show but on bbc3 showing behind the scenes stuff..also once a week in the afternoon they had a show for kids, showing bits of the upcoming episode with again behind the scenes stuff plus interviews with people in the episode... I can't recall the name of this show but I recall the interview with the actor playing "son of mine" and also the child who talks about "stars like diamonds" in an episode this season... I think both of these are now available on the iplayer... as well as torchwood and Sarah jane
@@freddos616 aha it was called totally doctor who
We're loving the journey so far. More of this please.
@@space1999 _Doctor Who Confidential_ wasn't really a spinoff -- as you say, it dealt with behind-the-scenes of the episode. More an extra.
Since the mid-sixteenth century, black people had been known in London, and by the time Shakespeare was writing the slave trade had begun. Ships carrying black slaves passed through London, and many stayed*--even perhaps in the brothels that were also close to the theatres.
Interestingly Britain the mainland never had slavery unless you consider feudalism and serfdom such.
In fact it was outlawed in the 12th century and the first legal case of a runaway slave (From an anchored slave ship) in Britain was found in his favour and he was granted freedom with his legal fees paid for him.
Regardless of what the BBC may have told you, dark skinned people were not at all common in England at the time and those that were tended to be wealthy.
If y'all ever feel a hankering for some Shakespeare I recommend Hamlet and Richard the 2nd. David Tennant stars in both plays and he does an incredible job. You can rent them and Hamlet is actually on YT. David got a lot of praise for his performances in both of those plays. I don't know very much about Shakespeare but I was just amazed by his performances!
And David Tennant is in it.
Sign me up
@@Syntell Also "Much Ado about Nothing" with Tennant and Catherine Tate (Donna from "Runaway Bride"). Full play on TH-cam. Might make a good reaction for you two.
The origins of this story can be found in a Doctor Who comic strip, A Groatsworth of Wit, featuring Chris Eccleston's Doctor.
I'll look that up
"See chat, it aint just us"
Oh it's definitely not just you. Freema is an absolute knockout.
Freema is stunning! Her and Jenna, and the newly announced Varada Sethu are all gorgeous!
Classic WHO I think of Nicola and maybe Mary Tamm.
Actually Shakespeare probably did write all of his plays, the majority of scholars agree to this but of course we have conspiracy theories....
Conspiracy make it fun 🤣
@@Syntell agreed!! Lol
Or did Marlowe write them?
@@francisgilbert6982 lol.. who knows....
@@space1999 lol
I have been to Stratford Upon Avon. Worked at a wedding. Nice place.
26:59, there was a later time travel show called Timeless on NBC. They had a Black character named Rufus who was the engineer and programmer for the time travel project. One of the leads asked him to get into the past and he said the same thing. Rufus was like "Any time travel prior to 1960 and I'm a target". Its good that someone in both writing rooms actually paid attention
One of my favorite episodes, from Freedonia (because of the Marx Brothers *and* Freema) to "57 academics just punched the air."
Never forget one of the only black characters in harry potter is called kingsley shacklebolt , she really just took king from mlk and shackles asociated with slavery and the dude juat exists to say how cool dumbledore is . Not as bad as cho chang though
That is only the movie version. There was a lot more to Kingsley in the books. For example, he was a brilliant under-cover agent who was actually working in the office of the Muggle Prime Minister and the only Wizard the Dursleys actually respected.
didn't terf bitch backtrack on that and say that one of the main characters was actually black the whole time
Does anyone else blush when they get to "But Martha, this is town"?
I'm lost?
@@HuntingViolets Shakespeare was flirting with Martha and she says he's got a wife in the country. And he basically says why should that stop him when they're in town.
@@Velociraptour Oh, gotcha. I thought you were referring to a quote from something.
Shakespeare first shows up in the 1965 Doctor Who story The Chase.
So Shakespeare Code refers to the fax that Shakespeare was bisexual and during the time of Elizabeth the First homosexuality and “buggery” was outlawed. Shakespeare would write his sonnets and plays “coded” so royalty and the government had no idea what he was actually saying and th common folk(the people he wanted to write for) knew exactly what he meant by his entendres. He certainly was a man of those times!
Gotta love the theatre.
Live ya best life everyone.
I was thrilled to see this reaction. The historical Whos are my favorites. Great reaction!
honestly it only gets better from here. some of the best eps in my opinion
I'm loving it so far.
YEP!!! It's just beginning. In fact, some people would say "Doctor Who" really begins with Season 5 (I'm not one of them but some of you know what I'm talking about).
@@IsiahBradleyliterally never heard anyone say that
Love Martha, one of my favorite companions, and love your reactions to her. She's ossim for many reasons. Another historical episode that is wonderful, IMO, is the Van Gogh episode. Had to check...thought it came sooner but it's not til season 5.
Yeah, Van Gogh episode....Yeah....
Nothing too strange about a black woman / man in London in the 16th Century. In Elizabeth 1st's reign, the black people of London were mostly free. Some indeed, both men and women, married native English people. In 1599, for example, in St Olave Hart Street, John Cathman married Constantia "a black woman and servant". A bit later, James Curres, "a Moor Christian", married Margaret Person, a maid. It wasn't until John Hawkins, the first English Slave Trader who started towards the end of Elizabeth's reign, that things started to change.
Indeed, and there's evidence of black people living in Britain since Roman times, if not earlier.
@@ftumschk quite a lot of the Roman Soldiers were probably Black, as they mostly used foreign (to Rome) conscripts when invading other countries
@@grabtharshammer Indeed, and some of them stayed in Britain and had families after the Romans left.
Yeah, the ownership of another person was forbidden in English law, so once on home soil no one may be held in servitude. Dosen't mean they didn't face discrimination, but it wasn't like the Americas at the time.
@@Jordan-el5yz Ownership was illegal, however Slavery itself as a concept was not abolished in England until 2010 - as it had never been legally recognised as a thing, so this was just a tidying up of the laws.
4:43 This was also pointed to folk that men played women's roles. Also these people that moaned about Francesca Amewudah-Rivers playing Juliet in a stage play in London were clueless.
Gotta show respect to the roots of it all
Freema Agyeman signed the letter in support of her. I believe Agyeman will be playing the nurse in the production.
@@Syntell It was only men playing on stage because it was considered too sinful for women. It was just about keeping women in their place, really. That's why the character in _Shakespeare in Love_ has to disguise herself as a man to get a part in a Shakespeare play. (You may already know this.)
I had to google this, and yeah, people are nuts. I'll never understand navel-gazers who want to tear everything apart that doesn't fit their whitewashed world view.
Great reaction and conversation, as always! Not sure if anyone else mentioned this yet, but besides addressing the mystery of the lost play, the story also suggests that Martha is one of Shakespeare's famously unknown muses. Of Shakespeare's sonnets, there are a number that are about his "Dark Lady", that tend toward the bawdy. Basically this episode suggests he wrote those saucy sonnets for Martha. I think it's a fun bit that they don't spell out for the viewers, but leave it as subtext, as well as showing what an impact Martha had on Shakespeare. I agree, he would be a fun character to see again!
Oh, also, speaking of Martha's attire, I think it stands as a contrast to Rose's first trip to the past, where she dud change clothes to blend in. Rose was being treated as a long-term conpanion, someone who the Doctor expects will interact with the locals, so he's concerned with fitting in. With Martha, he doesn't want to get too attached, telling himself he's just giving her one short trip as thanks. Having her change her wardrobe to fit the time period would mean he intends to spend some time with her there, rather than just a quick little trip. His flippant response to her reasonable doubts of her personal safety also speaks to the Doctor's lack of awareness of Martha, that he didn't stop to think about it when he picked their destination.
What's amazing about Shakespeare is actually what he wrote that still exist today!! Just Google well known Shakespeare sayings and phrases... its actually shocking what you and I still say in everyday talk that came from him....
Watching you react makes me smile, despite the pain I'm in, I got a nasty toothache goin on. Going to the dentist today in fact. Seeing Shakespeare cozy up to Martha was great, reminded me of what we used to say in grade school in the 80s: He was trying to throw that wrap!
Yeah, I'm glad that the episode was quick to discuss the melanin issue right from the jump. I live for diversity, nothing more boring than a world of one color, but I fear for POC in the past with time travel... I worry enough in the present!
As for the hoodoo voodoo, yeah it's not just LA, my best friend is from GA and she let me know early on with my long hair that I don't need to be letting just any old hoochie run her fingers through the locks! I knew not to touch her hair, you don't touch black hair, but she said I needed to be aware too that not everybody means you well, don't let them touch what they can't have. At the time we were a couple so I thought it might be just territorial, but no, years later, we're w/other people now and she's still my BFF and she still tells me to protect my MF'n neck! 🤣
Rest up. We need all those smiles. Get well soon.
You'd think the Tardis could just protect Martha the way it translates everything (even here -- the Elizabethans aren't going to be speaking modern English exactly; well, it was what we now call Early Modern English but not exactly the same), but I guess not.
@@HuntingViolets Yeah, I think if the TARDIS could throw up a perception filter then it would hand waive away a lot of problems, but at the same time it would negate the possibility of episodes like Rosa, or to a lesser extent, Thin Ice.
I always felt Freema was a little under-appreciated as a companion...
... but she's getting plenty appreciation here!
(And to be fair, that is totally understandable).
She deserves all the flowers.
she gets treated like shit in this episode
@@ennayanne Yes.
This episode contradicts several episodes of Classic Who, where the Doctor claims to have met Shakespeare several times, and even wrote the first draft of Hamlet for him.
It does and it doesn’t.
Time changes, things get rewritten in universe and The Doctor also changes their face.
William Hartnell could have helped write Hamlet while Jon Pertwee and David Tennant met him for different adventures.
Also, who’s to say Shakespeare remembered his previous encounters with different Doctors? They could have been rather mundane compared to the Shakespeare Code.
Classic lore is in conflict with itself all the time. Up until series 11, at least New Who was consistent with its own lore.
He might have met him later in Shakespeare's life, especially given the Hamlet comment since in this episode it wasn't written yet
He’s a time traveler. He does things and meets people out of order.
@@alexanderharris5022 and also The Doctor lies! [corrected typo]
oh really
7:24 This scene always makes me laugh! 😭😂
Allow me to draw the spotlight on fantastic writing and continuity that was part of Doctor Who that ended with Season 10 (Twice Upon a Time)
In this episode (Shakespeare Code) we see the end of a joke as well as a question being asked about that same joke.
For you see the answer to that question doesn't come until the season 7.2 Special The Day of the Doctor.
And in the episodes between, we see more jokes being made about the same subject, namely Queen Elizabeth the first.
Yet we won't understand why she called for the Doctor's head until the joke starts in season 7.2.
That's time travel for you.
It is just one example of the quality of the the writing the show had until the end of season 10.
And there were no 'Spoilers'.
2:19 I know right?! 😂💪
Martha was safe, as William the conqueror had outlawed slavery in England in the 11th century.
You're never really "safe" but I see what you're saying.
I think it's more likely that Gareth Roberts, being a reactionary, conservative white man just completely failed in his approach to race in his writing. The other episode he writes featuring a prominent black character is also extremely 😬 so...
@Syntell for real though
@@SyntellI gotta disagree with the comment you replied to. The writers likely just couldn't be bothered with dealing with extreme racism in their fun witchy Shakespeare story.
Black people were an extreme rarity in England, at that time. In fact, one of the first prominent black people in English history was a minstrel in Henry VIII's Court (less than 50 years before this episode is set).
@@joshuabruce9599 Agree with you Joshua. It's pure laziness on the part of white writers writing black parts. Too frightened to deal with it properly - later on this is dealt with better I think.
2:41 You're not wrong man! 😂💪
Gotta be careful with the past man.
@@Syntell On the short-lived NBC time travel show "Timeless," it's the first thing the Black man says: "Why would I got to the past? My people never had it better than now."
3:28 Here is the important question! 😂💪
I'm just saying. We need to know 🤣
I love the Shakespeare episodes. He was such an important enigamtic brilliant figure that he fits seamlessly into the Dr Who adventures. Great to see you back among The Whovians 👋
PS will you be reacting to the new Doctor Who series due to be broadcast in May as you reacted to the Christmas episode ? (just asking) 😍
Yup, we'll be reacting to the newer one. Looking forward to it.
@@Syntell Thank you. Great to know 👍
I'm excited for y'all's reaction to episode 4 and 5 it's my two favorite episodes of the first half.
I never thought of it, but the Bard as a companion might have been interesting. As long as they brought him back to the same point where they took him away -- but we know the Doctor isn't always good at that.
Great video looking forward to future reactions
So a little history lesson about England and slavery.
In 1080 William the conquer banned the sale of slaves. Although considering the punishment was just a fine. It was most likely done so he could get more money.
Side note: Slaves during this time period in England were white as the England hadnt gone to Africa yet and the trans-alantic slave trade didnt exist yet
So Slavery died out in the 1100s.
But Serfdom still existed. And while it was technically better than slavery. Serfdom is still kinda unofficially slavery with extra step.
Jump ahead to the 1500 and serfdom finally came to a end with the last serfs being freed in 1574.
So Martha was safe as they arrived in 1599 were there was no slavery in England and Serfdom had recently ended.
Now the British Empire, well thats a different story. As the Empire wouldnt outlaw slavery and the slave trade till the 1800s
But England itself had no slaves
different queen
For the time Elizabethan England/London was quite diverse, obviously nowhere near as much as now and technically slavery wasn't legal in Elizabethan England though unfortunately some still practised it as our abolition movement really kicked off in the late 1600/1700s in a response to what was happening in the US. It wouldn't have been the US form as that was very much it's own beast of a system with the generational aspect but that doesn't make what would have occurred right.
In different London parishes there's a range of wealth shown across those who are recorded as black, mainly "Moorish," and a fair few of them married the way anyone else would including marrying british or indian people although there were also household servants who did not own businesses though sometimes they'd be married. Generally if they were Christian or converted they'd have a far easier time of it as Britain was improving on the racism but not at all on the religious intolerance, they could barely handle catholics nevermind anything else.
Also there was the thing of slaves freed from captured Spanish ships, we were at war with Spain who was engaging in the trade of slaves to the "New World," who were housed in London and tried to make London their home although whilst there seemed to be an agreement they should be housed and fed there were calls for them to be sent back to "Barbary," and attempts make to negotiate safe passage. (Worth noting if that did happen it likely wouldn't keep happening as in the 16th century Barbary pirates would raid british coasts for slaves.)
Elizabethan England definitely will have had issues with racism but Martha would have been safe from slavery. Unfortunately this episode is done by Gareth Roberts who isn't known for his handling of issues so instead he made a bit of a joke about the Doctors response to her very valid concern especially as Shakespeare, who was a part of the new trend in literature of writing these romantic stories including people from what were far off lands, could have been a way to address it. As British history with that is very strange as they were horrific and brutal to those outside their shores even as diverse populations were starting to grow internally.
Am Zambian British back in Zambia after 20 years and all I can say is *in Jesus name* coz this witches mess 😮😮
Freema (Agyeman) Ah-juh-muhn. Starts kind of like adj-ective.
Not the same queen.
1:46 👀
Freema's last name is pronounced Ag-ye-man.
The Queen you saw at the end of the episode is not the same Queen as before that was Queen Victoria this was Elizabeth I and centuries before "Tooth and Claw".
I never really thought of William Shakespeare as pompous or arrogant he was just a man of his time, the actor is good but my main issue with this episode was the way he was portayed the real William Shakespeare never looked anything like that and the forehead was wrong as horrible as history was I think television particulary nowadays are too afraid and over sensitive to show what history was really like.
The sonic screwdriver was never a magic devise or a weapon it was a tool the Doctor would use to unscrew lock doors and escape which was one of his get out of jail freecards in Classic Who but in New Who it became so overused that it started from this point to be treated as such as a magic.
In the second ever appearance of the sonic screwdriver (still during the Second Doctor's era), he used it to burn a hole through a metal wall like a welding torch. I don't think you can seriously claim that it wasn't a magic wand until 2005, considering that.
It's a soft J sound, not a hard G. Like ah-juh-muhn. The way you wrote it is a bit ambiguous.
I just overlook Shakespeare's appearance as being an age thing. Obviously he wasn't born balding so at some point he had hair, and later he didn't have as much.
Remember how angry Queen Elizabeth was with The Doctor. That's all I'm saying. :)
In Elizabethan England (Mid-late 1500s) there was the idea that "the air of England is too pure for any slavr to breathe" therefore the notion was everyone must be free. In reality, slavery was rife all throughout history and even now it's not snuffed out. Infact in the 21st century it's estimated that there are more people living in slavery now than ever before. Utterly horrifiying.
But to be Black in Elizabethan England was to be thought of as "other", rather than necessarily "inferior". The idea of racial supremecy, as we know it today, only came into fruition within the following 100 years or so, as Empire spread and enslavement became industry on a worldwide scale. By the time the Victorian Era arrived in the 1800s, those inferior racial connotations were firmly planted in society.
FREE-muh A-ji-min
“…but he stole what he wrote” Uh, what now?
Also yeah, Martha is a smoke show.
Well, Shakespeare was fairly young here -- about 35. He has a famous cycle of sonnets to a mysterious "dark lady," which the episode suggests is Martha.
The Doctor saying to walk around like you own the place is pretty annoying. Easy for someone who passes as a white human. He could have given her something out of the Tardis wardrobe like Nine did for Rose. I mean, she looks great, regardless.
I don't think Tennant is as fond of "good old JK" these days with her anti-trans agenda, especially as one of his kids is nonbinary.
There's a certain irony about somebody who writes under the name "Robert Galbraith" and deliberately chose the gender-neutral pen-name "JK" rather than Joanne becoming the voice against people with trans-gender identity.
I can see the point that people like her and Greer are trying to make - if you don't grow up as a little girl with all of the microagressions and harassment and role expectations that come with it then you haven't experienced life as a woman, BUT, not all little girls get all of that, and if you grow up with societal expectations of being a boy when within you, you know you're not, and then have to face a whole other set of prejudices if you transition, then if having a shit childhood is the prerequisite for being "a real woman", then trans women are "real women".
And it's always trans women that these Terfs are worried about. Nobody seems to bat an eyelid about trans men even though the underlying neurology is the same.
Sorry, pet peeve. I'll get off my little ally soapbox now.
Yeah, JK is old now, but not still good, if she ever was truly, now we've seen a slice of the evil in her heart.
@@R.senals_Arsenal Plenty of hints to that in the books too, alas.
oh yeah, it's the non-canon episode
If you want examinations of historical attitudes to race,you'll get it, but two things to note:
Not every period in history viewed people with different skin tones as inferior.
But also, isn't fetishised exoticism ("ooh, a fair dusky maiden") also a form of unconscious bias?
In fairness they were racist in Elizabethan britain but they also did have a growing black population in London.
Until Disney Doctor Who was made by the BBC, the public broadcaster, with money from the public television licence and the government and no other money. They sold the distribution rights for the new series.
The writers did really do a bad job of The Doctor understanding or empathizing with Martha's concern, "just walk around like you own the place, like me, the person who is currently appearing to others as a white man" ok doc check your privilege pal, hundreds of years old and just not grasping intersectionality yet
This is one of the episodes where the Doctor thinks he's being charming and amusing, and I think I want to punch him. Martha is stellar, though.
If you want to ignore the episode being written by Gareth Roberts, you could pass it off as the Doctor having an “alien” moment, but yeah the lack of empathy though not uncharacteristic of 10 is especially uncomfortable in that moment.
The JK Rowling praises in this aged like milk. There's a lot of unaddressed history of BBC being linked to transphobia. Only Now has it started getting addressed because they went more independently with the 60th specials, despite working with Disney.
Black people were not uncommon in England in Shakespeare's time. The main character in Othello is black.
They really do skim over the 'black issue' in this one.. it's quite irritating as I do think it's lazy writing from white writers. 'Let's have a black companion'.... 'Oh we don't really want to deal with the problems that presents for historical stories'.
What would you suggest in the alternative? An in-depth discussion about how when slavery actually became an issue in England?
@@sallyatticum I don't wanna do spoilers, but they deal with it much better in multiple future stories...
Yes, but there's also an arc regarding the Doctor and his treatment of Martha. We can come back to this next time.