Appreciate this! With all the variances in filter options (hidden or otherwise), etc. a complete tuning video for INAV on a 7" quad could be great for the community..... but this is also a reason to join your Patreon.
This video just demonstrated how good betaflight is in terms of tuning process and how much effort and thought was put in it (rpm filter, sliders, filter setup to name some), and archaic approach of inav. Not saying inav is bad or anything, but this video made an impression - one step forward, 3 steps back.
One thing to note for those coming to iNav from betaflight, is that rescue mode, aka return to home, may not be available for many people, as iNav requires a compass for any navigation features to work on a quad. This poses a problem as most BNF quads with a gps do not also have a compass.
@@uavtechI wish it were inaccurate, but it is not. There is an open, outstanding issue (#4999) on the project for years now regarding this, and iNav developers do not wish to add an 'inferior' and 'pointless' RTH mode to work without a compass. They specifically refer to the Betaflight implementation as 'rubbish' and refuse to take a step backwards. Its sad really, as most of gps in my fleet are bn220's that serve me well for basic rth in beatflight, as well as rth in iNav on the fixed wing configuration.
On the other hand, INAV return to home works much, much better. You can get where you're going a lot better if you know which way you're heading. The compass tells you which way you're heading.
Great video! Trying out INAV made me appreciate all the work thats been done on betaflight like resource mapping, user friendly pid/filter tuning, flight performance, not bouncing on landing etc. Would love to see flight differences of a tuned bf vs inav setup 😮
Already sent to my INAV user friends. I would like to make a suggestion, what about a spreadsheet that help this conversion? I have a 10" that comes tuned from factory. I have the betaflight dump and would be nice to have a way to automate the conversion. I understand it is not a 1:1 but would be a better starting point as INAV's defaults won't work well for large quad like that. Thanks in advance.
I don't have anything that runs INAV myself. I would be curious for a brief rundown of what INAV really gets you over any other FW, not just BF. Neat stuff!
The big overall difference is right in the name - navigation. INAV is the way to go if you want to fly TO somewhere. You want to fly over this house and take video, and then go over there. Heck, if you want to, you can put the radio down, go inside and let INAV fly the preprogrammed mission to the locations you specified. Most people don't go that far, but you could. Betaflight is more focused on aerobatics, "flippity floppities". Betaflight if you are mainly interested in doing flips and stuff, not going anywhere.
I was about to reflash my inav quad over to betaflight. Position hold is cool and all, but not worth giving up flight performance. Gonna have to try these tips now and give inav another chance.
Reliability rank: Ardupilot->iNav->Betaflight. I have tuned an ardupilot 7 inch for myself and it flies excellent. However, initial setup and tuning is a nightmare😂 it’s way more complicated than inav and bf
Hello, I am trying to go from beta flight to inav. I have flashed the correct FC, and I’m now trying to copy settings, but nothing is saving. When I hit saving and reboot, it just reverts to the stock setting.
Right thanks. I wasn’t trying to do that.. I think the problem was I’ve got used to setting up MSP for the canvas mode in port settings of BF and Inav isn’t excepting that.. to clarify for others: you still enable msp on the proper uart.. you just do not also select that uart in the first column.
unknown. volunteers are busy. RC1 is talked about, but ... A DSHOT trouble was needing to be addressed. There is some fundamental stuff like that to grabs attention and time.
why when I Open the Inav I can't connect my new Mateksys F405-WMN ?, I can't see any COM, I only have Manual Selection, BLE, TCP,UDP,SITL and Demo mode?.... Thx.
hello, please do more videos on inav..more about pid tuning and filters would be nice..if there was an option for inav to make the sliders like in betaflight it would be easier to pid tune..great work 🫡
Thank you ....... I wonder 🤔 how to convert my speedybee F405 to inav . And your tutorial help me a lot ? Can you please make a video how to set the position hold in details using gps , barro and small lider
Hello and thank you for this video! I have a GepRC Cinelog35 and I wanted to fly it with iNav, but from all these that i see I might not to... way more complicated than I thought to make it fly perfect. :(
Hello Sir, I have watched all your videos and all are very informative, Thank you very much, I have learned many things through your video. Just a Little request can you please upload a video about filter tuning on INAV. Thank you very much 😊
I faced with some problems when I tried to switch to inav: - There is no dynamic resource remapping. To remap resource you have to build custom firmware - Devs are not willing to add additional new targets even manufacture might want to. So some manufacturers just build custom firmware. - It's possible to arm from radio in configuration by accident, which is not safe for me. - inav devs complain about SpeedyBeeF405 v3 stack (FC+ESC) and don't want to add support dshot, so only multishot is supported and the ESC from the stack supports only dshot. So, maybe inav is good for navigation, but all these cons are stop factors from using inav
There is a motor remapping tool in 6.1.1. You can also go old school in the CLI and use the RESOURCE command. I don't think there is a direct converstion for rates.
If you can find one single case where a manufacturer put in a feature request, with the very well documented procedures, and got turned down, I'd love to see it. If someone half asked for something, but didn't actually specify what they wanted, then completely ignored multiple requests for clarification, then yeah it would be impossible to fulfill whatever they were thinking they wanted, but refused to actually tell us. It's not that we don't WANT to rewire the SpeedyBee F405V3 to fix the board layout bugs. It's just that once you produce a printed circuit board, it's too late to redesign the circuit. We can't fix their hardware mistakes after the hardware has been manufactured. I have no idea what "you can accidentally arm" is supposed to mean, but are you the same person who was asking for a custom version with absolutely of the many safety checks removed, the checks that prevent arming when it would be unsafe?
holly molly!!!!! I was thinking to myself ... hmmm I really wanna try iNav on my flywoo explorer lr .... it has a gps and stuff ... but man .. after this I don't feel like it anymore. Thanks for the video .. but why can't we just upload our backup to some webpage that will spit out iNav equivalent restore? Yup, I'm lazy! 😂 😂
The biggest problem with inav features that it requires compass which is a real pain in the ass. I would love to use position hold and waypoints, but calibrating compass is too annoying.
@@SiamectGood luck for the rth if you did that once :D :D :D I guess you never read the inav docs, even devs recommend to calibrate it before every flight.
@@butcher I have obviously both read and flown iNav more than you. As an example, I calibrated my magnetometer once on one of my drones and I flew that drone for two years several times per week... Switched back and forth between position hold and acro several times every flight and there was never any problems. There is of course no reason to re-calibrate unless you experience problems.
@@butcher INAV dev here. No we don't say you need to calibrate for every flight. I calibrate mine when I install a new GPS/compass. Unless I forget to do it. If you travel to a new location, such as going up to Denver at 5,000 feet elevation from the coast, you may get better precision if you calibrate for the new environment. It's totally unnecessary to calibrate for every flight.
Sassy observation: how did you manage to talk about filters for 12 minutes when there's so much more to talk about and explore with iNAV? I realize filters are what you are passionate about, but c'mon they are not the be all and end all of tuning and iNAV offers so much more. I'll be looking for a 2nd installment of this video, covering the other stuff that iNAV has to offer.
Appreciate this! With all the variances in filter options (hidden or otherwise), etc. a complete tuning video for INAV on a 7" quad could be great for the community..... but this is also a reason to join your Patreon.
This video just demonstrated how good betaflight is in terms of tuning process and how much effort and thought was put in it (rpm filter, sliders, filter setup to name some), and archaic approach of inav.
Not saying inav is bad or anything, but this video made an impression - one step forward, 3 steps back.
I subscribed because I noticed your name in a Betaflight preset (PID-tune) which turned out pretty okay. Thanks for that!
I asked for INAV content, and here it is! Thanks! :)
I've been looking for this kind of translation between BF and INAV for a while. Thanks!
One thing to note for those coming to iNav from betaflight, is that rescue mode, aka return to home, may not be available for many people, as iNav requires a compass for any navigation features to work on a quad. This poses a problem as most BNF quads with a gps do not also have a compass.
i don't think that is accurate. let me check.
@@uavtechI wish it were inaccurate, but it is not. There is an open, outstanding issue (#4999) on the project for years now regarding this, and iNav developers do not wish to add an 'inferior' and 'pointless' RTH mode to work without a compass. They specifically refer to the Betaflight implementation as 'rubbish' and refuse to take a step backwards. Its sad really, as most of gps in my fleet are bn220's that serve me well for basic rth in beatflight, as well as rth in iNav on the fixed wing configuration.
On the other hand, INAV return to home works much, much better. You can get where you're going a lot better if you know which way you're heading. The compass tells you which way you're heading.
That is something to note - and you can swap out your old GPS for a new, better, $10 M9 GPS that comes with a compass.
Great video! Trying out INAV made me appreciate all the work thats been done on betaflight like resource mapping, user friendly pid/filter tuning, flight performance, not bouncing on landing etc. Would love to see flight differences of a tuned bf vs inav setup 😮
Already sent to my INAV user friends. I would like to make a suggestion, what about a spreadsheet that help this conversion? I have a 10" that comes tuned from factory. I have the betaflight dump and would be nice to have a way to automate the conversion. I understand it is not a 1:1 but would be a better starting point as INAV's defaults won't work well for large quad like that. Thanks in advance.
RTH landings are within a few feet of the takeoff point with my 7" quad with inav
I don't have anything that runs INAV myself. I would be curious for a brief rundown of what INAV really gets you over any other FW, not just BF. Neat stuff!
The big overall difference is right in the name - navigation. INAV is the way to go if you want to fly TO somewhere. You want to fly over this house and take video, and then go over there. Heck, if you want to, you can put the radio down, go inside and let INAV fly the preprogrammed mission to the locations you specified. Most people don't go that far, but you could.
Betaflight is more focused on aerobatics, "flippity floppities". Betaflight if you are mainly interested in doing flips and stuff, not going anywhere.
waiting for the next video about all setting of iNAV ✌
Thanks a lot, good initial intro, since Inav is good for big quads can you maybe have a tuning lesson on big quads using Inav?
We need this Mark!
Did you test any configuration like this in inav?
Yes
Yeah!
I have Croc 5 that need a reason to get off the shelf. Been wanting to check out INAV.
I've ran the unicorn filter through bode plot tools before and it does not act quite like a pt1. It has a different behavior.
that's so 2018. 😜
@@uavtech bode plots?
the Kalman stuff. just messing around.
Hope you are well. Thanks for watching.
I was about to reflash my inav quad over to betaflight.
Position hold is cool and all, but not worth giving up flight performance.
Gonna have to try these tips now and give inav another chance.
Reliability rank: Ardupilot->iNav->Betaflight. I have tuned an ardupilot 7 inch for myself and it flies excellent. However, initial setup and tuning is a nightmare😂 it’s way more complicated than inav and bf
Hello, I am trying to go from beta flight to inav. I have flashed the correct FC, and I’m now trying to copy settings, but nothing is saving. When I hit saving and reboot, it just reverts to the stock setting.
you cannot copy setting from BF and paste into INAV.
Right thanks. I wasn’t trying to do that.. I think the problem was I’ve got used to setting up MSP for the canvas mode in port settings of BF and Inav isn’t excepting that.. to clarify for others: you still enable msp on the proper uart.. you just do not also select that uart in the first column.
Can INAV7 be configured to control the VTX power from the radiomaster TX12 MKII ELRS transmitter?
yea, if the VTX supports Smart Audio or Tramp protocols to adjust settings.
When is betaflight 4.5 going to release?
unknown. volunteers are busy. RC1 is talked about, but ...
A DSHOT trouble was needing to be addressed. There is some fundamental stuff like that to grabs attention and time.
why when I Open the Inav I can't connect my new Mateksys F405-WMN ?, I can't see any COM, I only have Manual Selection, BLE, TCP,UDP,SITL and Demo mode?.... Thx.
Would you know why we are missing UART3? I GPS WAS ON IT.
In iNAV it is repirposed to SCL and SDA pads.
Sorry new. Do I need to move pads?
I flashed new from BF. I have a 5" baby croc F722 AIO. ANY CLUE?
what if i dont have inav or BF target for my fc?
no firmware for you.
hello, please do more videos on inav..more about pid tuning and filters would be nice..if there was an option for inav to make the sliders like in betaflight it would be easier to pid tune..great work 🫡
Agreed. First order of business though is it needs to have i
-term on Alt Hold added.
Thank you ....... I wonder 🤔 how to convert my speedybee F405 to inav . And your tutorial help me a lot ? Can you please make a video how to set the position hold in details using gps , barro and small lider
yes
can i use my mamba f405 mk2 with inav? it has external gps.
If the target is in the list, yes. I would need to look.
Motors won't spin after flashing to inav ESC turns on but just doesn't respond to signals
you have to enable Output in INAV
Hello and thank you for this video! I have a GepRC Cinelog35 and I wanted to fly it with iNav, but from all these that i see I might not to... way more complicated than I thought to make it fly perfect. :(
I seen my MAMBA in list ! I'm in ! .......
Hello Sir, I have watched all your videos and all are very informative, Thank you very much, I have learned many things through your video.
Just a Little request can you please upload a video about filter tuning on INAV.
Thank you very much 😊
So I can finish my 7" finaly 😁
Thanks!
great one!
I faced with some problems when I tried to switch to inav:
- There is no dynamic resource remapping. To remap resource you have to build custom firmware
- Devs are not willing to add additional new targets even manufacture might want to. So some manufacturers just build custom firmware.
- It's possible to arm from radio in configuration by accident, which is not safe for me.
- inav devs complain about SpeedyBeeF405 v3 stack (FC+ESC) and don't want to add support dshot, so only multishot is supported and the ESC from the stack supports only dshot.
So, maybe inav is good for navigation, but all these cons are stop factors from using inav
also I couldn't find any asnwer how to migrate actual rates to inav rates.
There is a motor remapping tool in 6.1.1.
You can also go old school in the CLI and use the RESOURCE command.
I don't think there is a direct converstion for rates.
If you can find one single case where a manufacturer put in a feature request, with the very well documented procedures, and got turned down, I'd love to see it.
If someone half asked for something, but didn't actually specify what they wanted, then completely ignored multiple requests for clarification, then yeah it would be impossible to fulfill whatever they were thinking they wanted, but refused to actually tell us.
It's not that we don't WANT to rewire the SpeedyBee F405V3 to fix the board layout bugs. It's just that once you produce a printed circuit board, it's too late to redesign the circuit. We can't fix their hardware mistakes after the hardware has been manufactured.
I have no idea what "you can accidentally arm" is supposed to mean, but are you the same person who was asking for a custom version with absolutely of the many safety checks removed, the checks that prevent arming when it would be unsafe?
holly molly!!!!! I was thinking to myself ... hmmm I really wanna try iNav on my flywoo explorer lr .... it has a gps and stuff ... but man .. after this I don't feel like it anymore. Thanks for the video .. but why can't we just upload our backup to some webpage that will spit out iNav equivalent restore? Yup, I'm lazy! 😂 😂
You can just apply the preset and fly. But.if you wanted to move.over you setting....
The biggest problem with inav features that it requires compass which is a real pain in the ass. I would love to use position hold and waypoints, but calibrating compass is too annoying.
You do that only once... it's not a DJI we are dealing with...
@@SiamectGood luck for the rth if you did that once :D :D :D I guess you never read the inav docs, even devs recommend to calibrate it before every flight.
@@butcher I have obviously both read and flown iNav more than you. As an example, I calibrated my magnetometer once on one of my drones and I flew that drone for two years several times per week... Switched back and forth between position hold and acro several times every flight and there was never any problems. There is of course no reason to re-calibrate unless you experience problems.
@@Siamect Yeah, devs must be wrong :D It necessarry for rth and wayponts, not really for post hold.
@@butcher
INAV dev here. No we don't say you need to calibrate for every flight.
I calibrate mine when I install a new GPS/compass. Unless I forget to do it.
If you travel to a new location, such as going up to Denver at 5,000 feet elevation from the coast, you may get better precision if you calibrate for the new environment. It's totally unnecessary to calibrate for every flight.
Keep it up!
Sassy observation: how did you manage to talk about filters for 12 minutes when there's so much more to talk about and explore with iNAV? I realize filters are what you are passionate about, but c'mon they are not the be all and end all of tuning and iNAV offers so much more. I'll be looking for a 2nd installment of this video, covering the other stuff that iNAV has to offer.
Cause it is confusing and when you are converting from BF to iNAV, there hiddent filters that degrade it's performance.
Inav is like going from windows to Macintosh. I'll stick with Betaflight.
I slowed the video speed down to 50%. Maybe that'll help some of this sink into my chimp brain
Meh, INAV 6 wrecked the rover function! GL Drone boys!
inav is sticky as cold asfault i tried to use it but way too sticky sorry inav
fix the sticky please 👎👎👎👎
sticky? What do you mean by "sticky"?
change dterm_lpf_type = PT3 to dterm_lpf_type = PT2
Thanks!