I have a couple of fpv wings running inav. Love it! Auto launch, RTH, and loiter mode works great. Never tried any quads, but for wings, it's easy. Didn't have any problems.
I've got a couple wings running inav too, but inav on quads is like a whole different animal. The first time I launched my 7 in inav quad it went up but wouldn't come back down because the inav default idle throttle is as high as it's hover throttle XD I'm also experiencing my quad autonomously doing unexpected things like what's shown in the video. I can't wait to see how this plays out in the next video.
Inav has always been pretty good on return to home. Softly lands within a couple feet of the takeoff spot every time and has been doing that for the last couple years
I don't think the compass issue is the distance to the cables. I had similar problems with the compass as long as my compass was installed at an angle. The software correction with the "Tilt" setting does not work in INAV. There seems to be a bug in INAV here. I tried everything possible and spent hours trying to get a correct compass reading. Without success as long as the compass is tilted. Only when I installed the compass horizontally did it work immediately. Therefore my tip is to definitely install the compass without tilting it!!! Many greetings from Germany. And thank you for all the support. Through your videos you taught me everything about INAV. Greetings Sandro 😀👍
2 Things: - Issue with your compass is, that its literally 2cm away from the battery wires. The current will completely mess up the compass reading. So you need a boom to mount the GPS at least 5cm, better close to 10cm away from power wires. - or you switch to the latest INAV 7.1 that supports mag-less full navigation. It just needs a but of manual flight in acro or angle and as soon as you have heading and ground curse mostly aligned (you can put both in your OSD) you can use navigation features. This is currently "hidden". You turn compass on to see your nav modes. then you can turn compass back off. NAV modes will disappear in configurator but they are still set and usable. It is this way as its an experimental feature so no one uses it "by accident"
@@ivanbukin983 Liion batteries are not magnetic by themselves. Yes the steel shells can alter the magnetic field of the earth a bit but it will be relatively consistent. Barely affecting the compass. The magnetic field at tens of amps has a much bigger effect and will be the same no matter what battery type. I have build lots of planes and also a few quads. When the motors are off the compass was always on point no matter if liion or lipo is used. Only when current Is drawn it causes issues. Hence I said, separation is key. With 10cm distance it will be fine.
28:37 Totally agree. My first time setting up an INAV quad it flew EXACTLY like yours just did. And I thought I knew what I was doing because I've used it a ton on wings. Yes. Please do that follow-up video.
At 25:25. Install a GPS Mate. Power it up 1st. I was having trouble tuning out throttle-up wobbles. Someone suggested INav. I came back here and said: "ah, why not". Now let's go back out there and have some albeit, weird FUN.
My 7/8" is on inav. Love it. Return to home suppose to be more accurate and reliable. Position hold and alt hold i have thpugh i only ever used when i needed to do something and need quad to sit still like a good boy. Im buildong 10" i will put inav on too
I'm having my own iNAV problems with a 7 inch I converted from BF. Sometimes my pos hold and RTH works fine, other times the quad starts to violently toilet bowl out of control. Still haven't solved it and put this project on the backburner. Looking forward to your next inav video, thanks for doing this!
@@pilotlawaran well, yeah, so pos hold is activated, it holds position, but if I attempt to adjust it's position with the stick it will start to toilet bowl. When rth is activated, it begins to head home, the closer it gets to home position the more violently it toilet bowls.
13:25 it's always good to turn on WAAS, and set it to where you actually are, rather than "automatic". You will get much much faster initial GPS fixes this way. Setting it to auto or off will result in much longer cold starts if you have moved a long way from your last fix.
Hey JB I have been building gps enabled drones for a while! my first ever "build" was a old phantom 1 someone gave me when I was 14 cause arm broke that's when drone addiction began...... ripping the guts out putting it on a different frame and fly! Now fast forward to today built countless drones with ardupilot and Inav and the most important part to having a good lock on your GPS is to have it lay flat not necessarily for the satellites but for the compass and the way the module itself sends the compass data and neither ardupilot or Inav are at fault... Secondly you might have the GPS mounted too close to the battery leads which could lead the compass to be a little wonky when you blip the throttle. I say might cause I haven't built a drone with the gps mounted to the rear always had a collapsible pole even on my XL8 (which is my smallest drone in my arsenal :P). Maybe give Ardupilot a try I don't think it supports F722 boards... They do have a list of supported boards and once setup you can do a lot with it
One way to get satellites acquired without heating your VTX is to plug a powerbank into your flight controller for a few minutes before plugging in your flight battery. Most newer flight controllers will power up the RX and GPS on USB power but leave the VTX off. Some guys buy the ViFly GPS Buddy which I hear works great but I already had a power bank and it is FANTASTIC for this. I generally have 20 satellites locked on my first pack of the day. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Perfect timing, I'm about to rig my "cinema" quad to INAV as a test and auto flight... then I have a wing to build for the ultimate test lol. Looks like it's gunna be awesome fun lol
@@griffingibsoncreative I have not switched to inav yet Im too busy flying and filming to deal with such now. Flyingban 8 in LePigeon and naked Blackmagic camera.
IIRC if you select ublox7 instead of the default ublox in the gps menu it doubles the refresh frequency to 10khz from 5 meaning you get even faster satellite locks.
Joshua, now that you’ve found INAV, it’s time to try your hand on a fixed wing, not a flying wing, but a plane with ailerons, elevator and a rudder?? Oh and it’s time to ditch FPV as well and try good old ‘telemetry’ as a means of knowing what you are doing. Try out a few waypoint missions, they are great fun, you’ve got time for a coffee while you wait for your plane to arrive home
I set up iNav for the first time a week ago and had the same problem with the compass (Flywoo M10 Nano.) It was about 35 to 45 degrees off from north. I checked with a real compass and two iPhones. It never corrected itself. I also installed Lidar and optical flow. Altitude hold worked OK, but optical flow / surface mode didn't work at all. Position hold high up also didn't work at all, the quad just went where the wind pushed it. I'm going to try tweaking some settings and if I can' fix it, I'm going to try Ardupilot.
Which flight controller? If the flight controller is mounted 45° to the frame, that could explain how you ended up 45° off. We can help you get it set up right, or you can actually use INAV without a compass now.
@@senseisecurityschool9337 Thanks for the reply. The FC is a Holybro Kakute H7 Mini v1.3. It's mounted in the normal position with the arrow facing forward. The GPS/Compass is also facing forward and on top of the battery and a 13 degree tilt. Today I tried it on the back of the quad and that made no difference. I kind of got the optical flow sensor doing something, but the quad ends up drifting in the last direction I commanded. It's a MicoAir MTF-02 and I followed their setup instructions.
@@HrDux This could take a bit of back and forth, probably easiest done on the Discord. Other than that, electromagnets (curves of wire with electricity running through them) are powerful magnets which will disrupt a compass. So you want to have the main power wires from the battery away from the compass, and also some buzzers away from the compass.
@@AntonK.-qf6cf 3” I have installed 7.1.2 - I had to remove it. For some reason Walksnail VTX doesn’t get voltage from the BEC ( iNAV). On BF VTX work fine
@@zorik79thanks, i just start building my diaton lr 4 sub 250d. But i want to add optical flow mtf 01, for beter position hold. Motors 1804, stack speedybee f4mini, gps m10+mag, optical flow, vista polar with wthosd. wthos. What you think?
Thank you for this. This is JUST what I needed to get my 7.5 up in the air doing it's job. GPS loitering is so important for my use case. (my compass is working fine. MAETEK M10
Josh your wrong betaflight does support time zone offset. CLI get timezone [enter]. Time zone is set in minutes. Heres an Example 60 min - UTC -5 eastern -60 x 5 = -300. set timezone_offset_ minutes = -300 [enter] Save [enter] Now if you put (RTC date and time) stamp on your OSD it will read correct date and time in military standard
the only reason i didnt try out betaflight completely is due to my low end gears. using flysky tx, i get only upto 300m , but the rth is so smooth and precise that i intentionally push the range without any worries just to get my quad slap me back and remind me of range 😂
I'm still struggling for more than a week getting the baro to work. Using a Kakute F7HDV (BMP280) + GepRC M10 DQ (DPS310), none of them seems to be detected. Tested every single thing that I managed to find online... My only option seems to be (inav_use_gps_no_baro = ON), but I wanted to have proper RTH/POSHOLD.
Looking forward to the next video. I see a lot of people say you have to mount the gps up high away from power cables and interference. But how come DJI camera drones don’t need to do this?
4:43 I just run windows screen recorder and while recording I just go through all the windows of configurator software and in that way I have all the settings I might want in future.
Great video! Curious as to what FC and ESC you're using. Also, I've seen some FC's (SpeedyBee) with a micro SD card. Are these for storing the FC OS? Like could you have a Betaflight SD card and a iNav SD card and just swap them out as you flying needs require? I guess flashing with Betaflight and iNav back and forth are easy enough, but the SD card would be awesome!
the weird think about motor 1,2,3,4. they are always 1,2,3,4. but they may be in different spots than what you traditionally think. motor1 may be in the motor 4 position, but it will act like it is motor 4 when you mix it correctly. (so forget Betaflight motor positions)
Hey Joshua! Another Joshua here! I was just doing this conversion myself with my iflight nazgul to test the process I ran into the exact same diminished rates when using angle mode, what was you ultimate solve for this? Also thank you for the gps/compas tips on the next video it was exactly my issue as well!!
@joshuabradwell I keep missing your live streams due to our time difference. What I have been meaning to ask you... When you look at the video signal quality between the 03, Vista and OG Air Unit vs say a Mavic DJI drone, how come it seems as if the mavics have waaaaay better penetration? Is the tech they are using that much different from FPV vistas and 03's?
Excellent choice bro, as bardwell said couple months ago. I use and start fpv with more or less same setup, except i use boxer. But if u really a beginner be sure u already accumulated at least 30hrs in simulator 'coz 5" quad is really fast and responsive
Did you get to PID tune it? Just followed all your steps with my new built Chimera7 Pro V2 HD, and my compass actually did work right. But the wobbling and shaking is not gone. Would you share your PID tune?
I tried INAV 6 on my quad and had the same problems with pos hold. RTH also made the quad "go off on one". I'm interested to know how you fix this ;-) Personally I think it has a lot to do with the fact that a BT-880 GPS has it's mag inside the shielded part of the PCB. (Why would you put a mag inside a tin can!? FFS)
You DONT need compass to do navigation modes in 7.1 😎 disable it by putting the mag sensor to NONE and it will behave like betaflight where once you move it gets a heading and all nav modes work. I hate the damn compass so much I’m glad it’s now working without! Try it and spread the word 😎 it’s still in experimental tho but I made a video on it on my channel and it worked amazing for me even hovering for 15 minutes. The compass is affected by the magnetic fields in the motors and wires and battery leads so even if it works before u take off the minute u get amps in those wires the mag goes nuts and the same behaviour like u showed here happens
Yeah it looks like JB starting working on this around like Feb 23rd (based on some of the screenshots) a week after the RC1 of 7.1 was released. So he's been working on this video a long time. Probably all due to the compass. If only he had loaded the RC1 back then and knew about the GPS only setup. Oh well.....
Unfortunately, you actually do. I switched all my quads to Inav in anticipation of this, but they still require a mag for the first couple of seconds. I'm so sad lol, gonna be GPSless until 7.2 or 8😂
@@willemvonschilling2465 that’s not true at all tho lol I literally have a quad I built with a gps that doesn’t even have a compass and it’s doing all the navigation modes. U have to just fly straight for the first few seconds and it will catch the heading!
Compass not required, but recommended. When you command the aircraft to go to a certain location, maybe a place that's east of you, it's helpful for the FC to know for sure which direction "east" is.
@@senseisecurityschool9337 from what I understand it determines where east is based on gps position. It sees the heading and where u started and ended and draws a line to determine the position of north and it’s constantly updating as you fly. Planes never required a compass and they do missions so it’s using a bit of that logic
I have exactly the same problems as you with my 10'' quad with the last version of INAV. Did you solve the problems with the pids? Also that the problems compass?
I realy like these videos on 'other' firmwares. I've personally only used Betaflight and Ardupilot. I feel like Betaflight & iNav are the lagging behind. Ardupilot had GPS.... and everthing else locked in YEARS ago. I much prefer Ardupilot, far more options.
Try flying acro/racing/freestyle on Ardupilot and you'll see where the Betaflight devs have been putting their effort, instead of into GPS performance. Courses for horses.
Can the compass do actual heading in degrees? And don't be so hard on the heading hold and what not. I've armed autopilot in my plane and it instantly put me in high bank for no reason at all.
can you add how to fly withouth GPS locked in? (yeah it is not suggested and RTH and other gps stuff is not working but sometimes i want to just fly in non gps earies) Thanks
Hey Joshua, thanks for the video! I use INAV on my planes and put it on my MOZ7. It flashed fine except that Port 3 (GPS) does not show up in the Ports Tab. Any ideas?
Actually Betaflight doesn't make sense to me (I'm not very good flippy floppy). All of my quads, except Cinerace20, are running INAV. I can use Poshold whenever I need to stretch some fingers or adjust my goggles. I can use RTH when I'm too lazy to land. I wonder why FPV manufacturers are so much BF-centric. Let's just admit, most us use don't fly like mr Steele.
MMM, time and experience has shown me gps satelites are in cell towers... When operating inspires 1 in northern quebec, used to have no gps at all and flew atti all the time... one time as we were flying the same route, I noticed new Cell towers along the way and woilaa... 22-24 gps... Noticed the very same coincidences in other places where gps's apeared as Cell tower were intalled...
Your compass is not pointing in the right direction . Just change it by subtracting 90 degrees from the current one . I don't know why inav have that wrong the graphics in compass setting tab shows it 90 degrees more .
What's the best Inav-compatible flight controller for a fixed wing these days? I have a Bixler that I want to set up with Inav, but the flight controller that I have is several years old, so I want to move to something more current.
@ Thank you so much, Joshua, for always being there supporting . My bird is quite the cinematic type(8 motors ), and dealing with all the soldering can be a bit overwhelming🥵. I'm currently using a blheli_32 ESC, but I'm not sure if the blhelisuite is still available for changing directions . Do you think I should switch to AMD instead?
My multirotor is calibrated, the compass works correctly. It turns on and flies well in Acro mode. GPS shows satellites and the direction home. But if I switch to ANGLE mode, all sticks except gas are disabled and the drone just hangs in the air, drifting slightly. Who knows how to fix this, please help. INAV 7.1.
I really tried to love INAV but I had so many problems with it that I gave up. I had to submit two pull requests to even get it to work with my hardware despite it already supposedly supporting it, and I never got the data flash chip to work even thought BetaFlight had no issues with it. and I had endless problems with barometer support, without which most of the INAV features are worthless. And then it smoked my ESC on the bench when I was just testing motor spin at low speeds. I feel like it is falling a long way behind Betaflight in terms of configurability and hardware support, and now that BF has an at least passable RTH function with landing, honestly I think it's "gamne over" for INAV as far as quads are concerned.
anyone know why I'm not getting any motors showing in the outputs tab? tried it with two different quads, but getting same results. (inav 7.1.1 ,(1) mamba f722s stack, (2)diatone furyf4 stack)
The timing is just ... scary. I tried recently to get the O3 working in my 7" and it doesn't. I did all the same you did, but for some reason it won't get power. Anybody able to help? I'm running a MAMBA MK4 F722. Under Betaflight everything is fine, just INAV refuses to accept my O3
Literally sat down 15 minutes ago to solder my 8” quad, perfect timing Joshua
I have the parts for my 8 inch ready to go. So ya, perfect timing.
@@airfriedquadsbw same. Just waiting on my RX lenses from Germany.
I have a couple of fpv wings running inav. Love it! Auto launch, RTH, and loiter mode works great. Never tried any quads, but for wings, it's easy. Didn't have any problems.
I've got a couple wings running inav too, but inav on quads is like a whole different animal. The first time I launched my 7 in inav quad it went up but wouldn't come back down because the inav default idle throttle is as high as it's hover throttle XD
I'm also experiencing my quad autonomously doing unexpected things like what's shown in the video. I can't wait to see how this plays out in the next video.
Inav has always been pretty good on return to home. Softly lands within a couple feet of the takeoff spot every time and has been doing that for the last couple years
I don't think the compass issue is the distance to the cables. I had similar problems with the compass as long as my compass was installed at an angle. The software correction with the "Tilt" setting does not work in INAV. There seems to be a bug in INAV here. I tried everything possible and spent hours trying to get a correct compass reading. Without success as long as the compass is tilted. Only when I installed the compass horizontally did it work immediately.
Therefore my tip is to definitely install the compass without tilting it!!!
Many greetings from Germany. And thank you for all the support.
Through your videos you taught me everything about INAV.
Greetings Sandro 😀👍
2 Things:
- Issue with your compass is, that its literally 2cm away from the battery wires. The current will completely mess up the compass reading. So you need a boom to mount the GPS at least 5cm, better close to 10cm away from power wires.
- or you switch to the latest INAV 7.1 that supports mag-less full navigation. It just needs a but of manual flight in acro or angle and as soon as you have heading and ground curse mostly aligned (you can put both in your OSD) you can use navigation features. This is currently "hidden". You turn compass on to see your nav modes. then you can turn compass back off. NAV modes will disappear in configurator but they are still set and usable. It is this way as its an experimental feature so no one uses it "by accident"
The compass cannot be used with lithium ion batteries
@@ivanbukin983 that's not true. It's all about separation. The main problem are the magnetic fields from the current through the power wires.
@@MarcFPVthat's right, but if Joshua uses lithium ion batteries the compass will point to them and not to the North.
@@ivanbukin983 Liion batteries are not magnetic by themselves. Yes the steel shells can alter the magnetic field of the earth a bit but it will be relatively consistent. Barely affecting the compass. The magnetic field at tens of amps has a much bigger effect and will be the same no matter what battery type. I have build lots of planes and also a few quads. When the motors are off the compass was always on point no matter if liion or lipo is used. Only when current Is drawn it causes issues. Hence I said, separation is key. With 10cm distance it will be fine.
@@ivanbukin983 I fly using li ion, and the compass still works fine.
Yes! Makes me happy to see Bardwell talking inav! I haven’t looked back at beta flight since switching!
28:37 Totally agree. My first time setting up an INAV quad it flew EXACTLY like yours just did. And I thought I knew what I was doing because I've used it a ton on wings. Yes. Please do that follow-up video.
At 25:25. Install a GPS Mate. Power it up 1st. I was having trouble tuning out throttle-up wobbles. Someone suggested INav. I came back here and said: "ah, why not". Now let's go back out there and have some albeit, weird FUN.
Been using inav for about 3 years now on quads and some planes it's amazing and still flies good in acro.
My 7/8" is on inav. Love it. Return to home suppose to be more accurate and reliable. Position hold and alt hold i have thpugh i only ever used when i needed to do something and need quad to sit still like a good boy.
Im buildong 10" i will put inav on too
Love your videos Joshua. When i have a question, i always look to see if you cover it. Sincerely appreciate you! "TODAY I LEARNED SOMETHING!"
Been flying iNav on quads for a few years and it's amazing, perfect for my style of flying
Great timing. Just started down the INAV on my 8.
I'm having my own iNAV problems with a 7 inch I converted from BF.
Sometimes my pos hold and RTH works fine, other times the quad starts to violently toilet bowl out of control. Still haven't solved it and put this project on the backburner.
Looking forward to your next inav video, thanks for doing this!
working fine on first activated? next will be toilet bowling effect?
@@pilotlawaran well, yeah, so pos hold is activated, it holds position, but if I attempt to adjust it's position with the stick it will start to toilet bowl. When rth is activated, it begins to head home, the closer it gets to home position the more violently it toilet bowls.
I´m in love with that drone. I use it nearly all the times I go to fly and it´s great how smooth it flows...
Thanks for sharing INAV Joshua!! Can’t wait to learn how to set INAV up for my next long range quads !!! ☺️
13:25 it's always good to turn on WAAS, and set it to where you actually are, rather than "automatic". You will get much much faster initial GPS fixes this way. Setting it to auto or off will result in much longer cold starts if you have moved a long way from your last fix.
Hey JB I have been building gps enabled drones for a while! my first ever "build" was a old phantom 1 someone gave me when I was 14 cause arm broke that's when drone addiction began...... ripping the guts out putting it on a different frame and fly! Now fast forward to today built countless drones with ardupilot and Inav and the most important part to having a good lock on your GPS is to have it lay flat not necessarily for the satellites but for the compass and the way the module itself sends the compass data and neither ardupilot or Inav are at fault...
Secondly you might have the GPS mounted too close to the battery leads which could lead the compass to be a little wonky when you blip the throttle. I say might cause I haven't built a drone with the gps mounted to the rear always had a collapsible pole even on my XL8 (which is my smallest drone in my arsenal :P).
Maybe give Ardupilot a try I don't think it supports F722 boards... They do have a list of supported boards and once setup you can do a lot with it
Fantastic tutorial, Joshua! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
One way to get satellites acquired without heating your VTX is to plug a powerbank into your flight controller for a few minutes before plugging in your flight battery. Most newer flight controllers will power up the RX and GPS on USB power but leave the VTX off. Some guys buy the ViFly GPS Buddy which I hear works great but I already had a power bank and it is FANTASTIC for this. I generally have 20 satellites locked on my first pack of the day. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Perfect Timing! i just finished my 7inch build
More of this please!!! You made my love for quads and coincidental i started building a 7 inch for inav last week!
Thanks!
Perfect timing, I'm about to rig my "cinema" quad to INAV as a test and auto flight... then I have a wing to build for the ultimate test lol.
Looks like it's gunna be awesome fun lol
I fly a long range 8in cineliftr and appreciate this series. perfect timing for me to try inav.
How was it to switch? What cinelifter are you using too!
@@griffingibsoncreative I have not switched to inav yet Im too busy flying and filming to deal with such now. Flyingban 8 in LePigeon and naked Blackmagic camera.
@@ValleyFPV just bought an inav set up, I’ll let you know how it goes. If I can remember to come back to this haha
IIRC if you select ublox7 instead of the default ublox in the gps menu it doubles the refresh frequency to 10khz from 5 meaning you get even faster satellite locks.
This doesn't improve satellite lock time- it simply ensures you get GPS position reports at twice the rate, so less GPS "latency".
I was literally trying to do this last night. Bardwell is the man!
"JB & INAV!?"...kinda sounds like a "Footballbat"! 🤣
Well done...way to re-create yourself...expand your horizons...looking forward to more. 😉
Joshua, now that you’ve found INAV, it’s time to try your hand on a fixed wing, not a flying wing, but a plane with ailerons, elevator and a rudder?? Oh and it’s time to ditch FPV as well and try good old ‘telemetry’ as a means of knowing what you are doing. Try out a few waypoint missions, they are great fun, you’ve got time for a coffee while you wait for your plane to arrive home
Wellcome to INAV Mr. JB 👌
I set up iNav for the first time a week ago and had the same problem with the compass (Flywoo M10 Nano.) It was about 35 to 45 degrees off from north. I checked with a real compass and two iPhones. It never corrected itself. I also installed Lidar and optical flow. Altitude hold worked OK, but optical flow / surface mode didn't work at all. Position hold high up also didn't work at all, the quad just went where the wind pushed it. I'm going to try tweaking some settings and if I can' fix it, I'm going to try Ardupilot.
Which flight controller? If the flight controller is mounted 45° to the frame, that could explain how you ended up 45° off.
We can help you get it set up right, or you can actually use INAV without a compass now.
@@senseisecurityschool9337 Thanks for the reply. The FC is a Holybro Kakute H7 Mini v1.3. It's mounted in the normal position with the arrow facing forward. The GPS/Compass is also facing forward and on top of the battery and a 13 degree tilt. Today I tried it on the back of the quad and that made no difference.
I kind of got the optical flow sensor doing something, but the quad ends up drifting in the last direction I commanded. It's a MicoAir MTF-02 and I followed their setup instructions.
@@HrDux
This could take a bit of back and forth, probably easiest done on the Discord.
Other than that, electromagnets (curves of wire with electricity running through them) are powerful magnets which will disrupt a compass. So you want to have the main power wires from the battery away from the compass, and also some buzzers away from the compass.
Joshua is my icon in FPV world. Thank you.
Thank You. I m going to setup my explorer Lr4 now.
Hi. Please let me know of you did this and what the result is. I love my lr4 and would like to use it with more accurate gps. Thanks.
hi, what you choose when start configurating, when inav ask 3" or 5" quad ? what better to choose for 4 inch quad?
@@AntonK.-qf6cf 3”
I have installed 7.1.2 - I had to remove it. For some reason Walksnail VTX doesn’t get voltage from the BEC ( iNAV). On BF VTX work fine
@@zorik79thanks, i just start building my diaton lr 4 sub 250d. But i want to add optical flow mtf 01, for beter position hold. Motors 1804, stack speedybee f4mini, gps m10+mag, optical flow, vista polar with wthosd. wthos. What you think?
Thank you for this. This is JUST what I needed to get my 7.5 up in the air doing it's job. GPS loitering is so important for my use case. (my compass is working fine. MAETEK M10
Hope to see more inav tutorial! Awesome!
Josh your wrong betaflight does support time zone offset.
CLI get timezone [enter].
Time zone is set in minutes.
Heres an Example
60 min - UTC -5 eastern
-60 x 5 = -300.
set timezone_offset_ minutes = -300 [enter]
Save [enter]
Now if you put (RTC date and time) stamp on your OSD it will read correct date and time in military standard
That was funny your reaction to each attempt at the different modes lol
the only reason i didnt try out betaflight completely is due to my low end gears. using flysky tx, i get only upto 300m , but the rth is so smooth and precise that i intentionally push the range without any worries just to get my quad slap me back and remind me of range 😂
Quads for years now fpv wings and planes. I use both betaflight and Inav. Fixed wing is too much fun
I'm still struggling for more than a week getting the baro to work. Using a Kakute F7HDV (BMP280) + GepRC M10 DQ (DPS310), none of them seems to be detected. Tested every single thing that I managed to find online... My only option seems to be (inav_use_gps_no_baro = ON), but I wanted to have proper RTH/POSHOLD.
Open the BF backup and read the serial settings to get at least a hint at the ports settings.
Boom! Perfect timing 💥
Looking forward to the next video. I see a lot of people say you have to mount the gps up high away from power cables and interference. But how come DJI camera drones don’t need to do this?
They shield the gps and use other sensors to correct it
4:43 I just run windows screen recorder and while recording I just go through all the windows of configurator software and in that way I have all the settings I might want in future.
Getting your compas and position hold working properly can be a PITA. But if it works it's wonderful
Check the FC for a Vsw pad, those things are a godsend with digital VTX and waiting on a GPS fix.
Gotta love shift+windows+S 👍😁
Wow this is super useful! When is part 2 coming out?
Great video! Curious as to what FC and ESC you're using. Also, I've seen some FC's (SpeedyBee) with a micro SD card. Are these for storing the FC OS? Like could you have a Betaflight SD card and a iNav SD card and just swap them out as you flying needs require? I guess flashing with Betaflight and iNav back and forth are easy enough, but the SD card would be awesome!
the weird think about motor 1,2,3,4. they are always 1,2,3,4. but they may be in different spots than what you traditionally think. motor1 may be in the motor 4 position, but it will act like it is motor 4 when you mix it correctly. (so forget Betaflight motor positions)
Looks like the RM boxer with AG01 gimbals. Is the TX16S chop liver?
Hey Joshua! Another Joshua here! I was just doing this conversion myself with my iflight nazgul to test the process I ran into the exact same diminished rates when using angle mode, what was you ultimate solve for this? Also thank you for the gps/compas tips on the next video it was exactly my issue as well!!
Great timing working on a 10" w gps
This is gold ty
(Mind doing a video for a 10" inav?)
Very nice Joshua, I like to see you trying out stuff other than betaflight, you should also do an ardupilot one later.
After the compass calibration you are going to be drunk lol lol 😅😂
@joshuabradwell I keep missing your live streams due to our time difference. What I have been meaning to ask you... When you look at the video signal quality between the 03, Vista and OG Air Unit vs say a Mavic DJI drone, how come it seems as if the mavics have waaaaay better penetration? Is the tech they are using that much different from FPV vistas and 03's?
The Mavic doesn't need ultra low latency, so it's link can be more robust. That'd be my guess.
Is the nazgul xl5 v3 6s analog with cobra x and pocket radiomaster m2 good to start fpv??
Thank you for ypur amazing content!!
Excellent choice bro, as bardwell said couple months ago. I use and start fpv with more or less same setup, except i use boxer. But if u really a beginner be sure u already accumulated at least 30hrs in simulator 'coz 5" quad is really fast and responsive
Did you get to PID tune it? Just followed all your steps with my new built Chimera7 Pro V2 HD, and my compass actually did work right.
But the wobbling and shaking is not gone. Would you share your PID tune?
fixed it, load and apply (quad x ) in mixer tab. motors appear!
I tried INAV 6 on my quad and had the same problems with pos hold. RTH also made the quad "go off on one". I'm interested to know how you fix this ;-) Personally I think it has a lot to do with the fact that a BT-880 GPS has it's mag inside the shielded part of the PCB. (Why would you put a mag inside a tin can!? FFS)
You DONT need compass to do navigation modes in 7.1 😎 disable it by putting the mag sensor to NONE and it will behave like betaflight where once you move it gets a heading and all nav modes work. I hate the damn compass so much I’m glad it’s now working without! Try it and spread the word 😎 it’s still in experimental tho but I made a video on it on my channel and it worked amazing for me even hovering for 15 minutes. The compass is affected by the magnetic fields in the motors and wires and battery leads so even if it works before u take off the minute u get amps in those wires the mag goes nuts and the same behaviour like u showed here happens
Yeah it looks like JB starting working on this around like Feb 23rd (based on some of the screenshots) a week after the RC1 of 7.1 was released. So he's been working on this video a long time. Probably all due to the compass. If only he had loaded the RC1 back then and knew about the GPS only setup. Oh well.....
Unfortunately, you actually do. I switched all my quads to Inav in anticipation of this, but they still require a mag for the first couple of seconds. I'm so sad lol, gonna be GPSless until 7.2 or 8😂
@@willemvonschilling2465 that’s not true at all tho lol I literally have a quad I built with a gps that doesn’t even have a compass and it’s doing all the navigation modes. U have to just fly straight for the first few seconds and it will catch the heading!
Compass not required, but recommended. When you command the aircraft to go to a certain location, maybe a place that's east of you, it's helpful for the FC to know for sure which direction "east" is.
@@senseisecurityschool9337 from what I understand it determines where east is based on gps position. It sees the heading and where u started and ended and draws a line to determine the position of north and it’s constantly updating as you fly. Planes never required a compass and they do missions so it’s using a bit of that logic
Pawel just released his video explaining how sensor fusion makes the mag/compass unnecessary in iNav 7.1, very interesting.
I have exactly the same problems as you with my 10'' quad with the last version of INAV. Did you solve the problems with the pids? Also that the problems compass?
Seems like iNav been catching a lot attention. Would you do a video about installing iNav lua script on edgeTX?
I realy like these videos on 'other' firmwares. I've personally only used Betaflight and Ardupilot. I feel like Betaflight & iNav are the lagging behind. Ardupilot had GPS.... and everthing else locked in YEARS ago. I much prefer Ardupilot, far more options.
Try flying acro/racing/freestyle on Ardupilot and you'll see where the Betaflight devs have been putting their effort, instead of into GPS performance. Courses for horses.
Joshua, did you config the props out instead of in because you prefer like that or because it's better this way for 7 inch quads? thanks dude =)
That's how iFlight ships it.
Can the compass do actual heading in degrees? And don't be so hard on the heading hold and what not. I've armed autopilot in my plane and it instantly put me in high bank for no reason at all.
can you add how to fly withouth GPS locked in? (yeah it is not suggested and RTH and other gps stuff is not working but sometimes i want to just fly in non gps earies) Thanks
What foam do you have on your goggles 2? That stuff looks actually comfortable haha
I love the Newbeedrone Max Comfort.
Any ETA on the next vid? tons of time, I loose my time on something and poof, when I'm finished, a super relevant video comes out.....
It's shot and edited. I just need to finish uploading.
Isolate compass from everything using at least 8 cm mast and all will be good. Been there, done that.
i'm using Inav 7 too
alt hold and position hold works perfect in my drone😅
Hey Joshua, thanks for the video! I use INAV on my planes and put it on my MOZ7. It flashed fine except that Port 3 (GPS) does not show up in the Ports Tab. Any ideas?
Usually this means you flashed the wrong target.
Waiting for new stuff ♥
Can’t wait for an answer :)
I think it's a big mistake in 17:47. You calibrated the same axis twice.
yeah .. and he did not rotate the pitch axis
Actually Betaflight doesn't make sense to me (I'm not very good flippy floppy). All of my quads, except Cinerace20, are running INAV. I can use Poshold whenever I need to stretch some fingers or adjust my goggles. I can use RTH when I'm too lazy to land. I wonder why FPV manufacturers are so much BF-centric. Let's just admit, most us use don't fly like mr Steele.
MMM, time and experience has shown me gps satelites are in cell towers... When operating inspires 1 in northern quebec, used to have no gps at all and flew atti all the time... one time as we were flying the same route, I noticed new Cell towers along the way and woilaa... 22-24 gps... Noticed the very same coincidences in other places where gps's apeared as Cell tower were intalled...
There are ground-based GPS assistance systems. For more info: skybrary.aero/wide-area-augmentation-system-waas
I can't find the download page for the previous inav connector can you help me please
I did this on a 5" with a speedybe F405 V4, but when switched to angle mode, any throttle input causes the motors to accelerate wildly. Any ideas?
Your compass is not pointing in the right direction . Just change it by subtracting 90 degrees from the current one .
I don't know why inav have that wrong the graphics in compass setting tab shows it 90 degrees more .
flight testing have me in tears XD
I have a 7" LR Rig with the JBF7 V2. Does the JBF7 Pro Target work in Inav for the JBF7 V2 Board?
What's the best Inav-compatible flight controller for a fixed wing these days? I have a Bixler that I want to set up with Inav, but the flight controller that I have is several years old, so I want to move to something more current.
Matek F405 Wing seems pretty nice.
@@JoshuaBardwell ok cool, that's what I was just looking at.
Just a heads up F4 based FCs will not be supported after 7 series. Once INAV 8.0 is released you will need an F7 or H7 based FC
I rooted my dji system and I can't get the osd to work with inav i understand what there's a bug in the latest version of inav configurator
Hi, what GPS module is that at 21:25?
Just wondering, can a quad fly freestyle as good and clean as betaflight with inav if I get the pids right?
Can someone please explain how to change the direction of the motor rotation?
Use your ESC configuration program (blhelisuite, esc-configurator website, etc) or desolder and swap any two of the three motor wires.
@ Thank you so much, Joshua, for always being there supporting . My bird is quite the cinematic type(8 motors ), and dealing with all the soldering can be a bit overwhelming🥵. I'm currently using a blheli_32 ESC, but I'm not sure if the blhelisuite is still available for changing directions . Do you think I should switch to AMD instead?
how about calibrate compass in betaflight?
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My multirotor is calibrated, the compass works correctly. It turns on and flies well in Acro mode. GPS shows satellites and the direction home. But if I switch to ANGLE mode, all sticks except gas are disabled and the drone just hangs in the air, drifting slightly. Who knows how to fix this, please help. INAV 7.1.
Got autolunch runaway on v7.0.0 release. Not all new and shiny is good )
Why inav looks very similar or in some sections exactly the same as BF? I mean aren't there restrictions or copy right limitations?
All of them are open source. They are free to copy and reuse code.
Now I want a 7” with iNav 😅
Your really learning INav because your going to get into wings, right?
Is this your second attempt with INAV?
I really tried to love INAV but I had so many problems with it that I gave up. I had to submit two pull requests to even get it to work with my hardware despite it already supposedly supporting it, and I never got the data flash chip to work even thought BetaFlight had no issues with it. and I had endless problems with barometer support, without which most of the INAV features are worthless. And then it smoked my ESC on the bench when I was just testing motor spin at low speeds. I feel like it is falling a long way behind Betaflight in terms of configurability and hardware support, and now that BF has an at least passable RTH function with landing, honestly I think it's "gamne over" for INAV as far as quads are concerned.
+1, My gps with magnetometer doesn't work there, and devs saying it's a hw problem, they have no idea why it working in bf... :D
Today I was flashing it and I can’t set up the compass GEP-M10DQ.
anyone know why I'm not getting any motors showing in the outputs tab? tried it with two different quads, but getting same results. (inav 7.1.1 ,(1) mamba f722s stack, (2)diatone furyf4 stack)
The timing is just ... scary. I tried recently to get the O3 working in my 7" and it doesn't. I did all the same you did, but for some reason it won't get power.
Anybody able to help? I'm running a MAMBA MK4 F722. Under Betaflight everything is fine, just INAV refuses to accept my O3
If it doesn't power up at all, the FC may have a vtx switch built in. In this case, you may hab to turn on the power using an aux mode.
@@JoshuaBardwellIt worked. Thanks for the help 🤌