June 8 - Elizabeth and Mary are declared illegitimate
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- 📜 On this day in Tudor history, 8th June 1536, exactly three weeks after Queen Anne Boleyn's execution, Henry VIII's Parliament met to pass the Second Act of Succession. This act removed his daughters Mary and Elizabeth from the line of succession, declaring them illegitimate.
👑 With Anne Boleyn’s fall and the annulment of her marriage to Henry, the act paved the way for Jane Seymour’s future children to inherit the throne. It praised Jane for her virtues and suitability as queen. This placed immense pressure on Jane to produce a male heir, which she did in 1537 with the birth of Edward VI.
📜 Meanwhile, on this same day, Mary Tudor wrote to her father, seeking his forgiveness and hoping to return to his favour.
Here is the link to the video mentioned - • May 26 - Mary seeks Th...
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Apparently when Elizabeth found out about her change of status she said "how haps it governor, yesterday my Lady Princess, today but my Lady Elizabeth?" - she must have been very precocious!
Elizabeth was, from what I have read of her, a very bright young lady.
"Yesterday" her Mother was Queen.
Elizabeth had emotional intelligence. She had street smarts. Mary must have felt devastated after losing touch with her mother. Mary's love for her father must have deteriorated after his harsh treatment. Love between a parent and child is unconditional. Henry damaged his relationship with both daughters. Mary truly believed she was her father's rightful heir. If it had not been for Catherine's marriage to Arthur then it would not be so blurry.
@@lisabelmontage The Catholics believed that Mary was the rightful heir. Once Edward was born, though, she became second-in-line.
This is what Henry the 8th was the best at... making up his own rules!
It's good to be KING! 😆
It's always amazing how a person in power can manipulate a government. It is still happening today. But just remember, just because they say it doesn't make it so. Truth will out. Thank You for today's upload; so enjoy this series. Always a highlight of my day. North Carolina, USA
I wonder if parliament felt obligated to praise Henry’s decision and praise Jayne due to Henry’s display of temper towards anyone who disagreed with him.
I didn’t realise that Henry Fitzroy died, that would indeed increase the pressure on Jayne.
I do feel for Mary writing to Henry asking for his forgiveness. Children often want their parents love and approval.
Thank you again for another wonderful video xoxox
I expect they were very careful in their choice of words given the bloodbath that they had just witnessed. They may even have been halfway sincere - Anne had not been a popular queen. Few people were sincere in expressing their views in 'these bloody times'. Mary's letter to her father is a case
in point : how sincere was she? Was she really willing to lay aside all resentment over the death of her mother? Was there a real affection for her father still which she protected by.blaming Anne for all the unkind treatment she had received? Or was she trying merely to get back to court to remind people that she was there, Katherine's daughter,. and not to be discounted?
Poor Mary and poor Elizabeth - family was a terrifying place to be.
Thank you for making these historic figures human. When you hear this you can understand how this emotional violence impacted Mary & her future mental health & may have influenced questionable decisions as queen.
What a father! Henry makes me ill. I forgot to comment I was so angry. Thanks, Claire!
Henry VIII only cared for one person, Henry VIII. He didn't care how his actions hurt others (Mary or Elizabeth).
Even though it hasn't been that long ago that you posted the video about the further details of this issue, it was so nice to have that link to refer back to, as my memory is not that sharp these days! It was nice that Chapuys was able to get through to Mary to just bite the bullet and have done with it by submitting to the King, so that their relationship could be reconciled. In one biography of Queen Elizabeth I, I read that the very young princess (about 3 years old?) was completely aware of this change of her status. In fact, she supposedly remarked upon why she was suddenly called the Lady Elizabeth and not Princess Elizabeth, as she had the day before. I wonder if that "fact" was in fact a fact! Thank you for another 2 video day!
Didn't really matter. Everyone knew they were legitimate and they ascended regardless. Thanks Claire.
They did eventually, yes, but there was the whole Lady Jane Grey issue in July 1553. Edward chose her as he believed that his sisters were only half-blood and illegitimate and incapable of inheriting the throne. This was a time when common law stated that illegitimate children could not inherit if there was a legitimate claimant.
@@anneboleynfiles True. And at the time it must have been horrible for the princesses. However even Lady Jane knew it wasn't right. Crazy Tudor times!
The Duke of Northumberland (workong through Edward VI) tried the same thing with that "Devise for the Succession". The idea was to keep Mary (a Catholic) off the throne. But Edward decided that Elizabeth would have to be passed over (Northumberland knew Elizabeth would not allow him to rule through her).
Isn't it revealing that Princess Mary expected her relationship with Henry VIII to improve -- *immediately* -- once Anne Boleyn was dead? I believe that Mary held Anne responsible for all of her woes. What a shock Mary must have had when Henry was completely unwilling to forgive her unless & until she submitted to the Henrican version of history. Mary had to sign a letter in which she agreed that her mother's marriage was invalid and that she was illegitimate. The trajectory in which Mary later burned Cranmer and other Reformers was set, I believe, by that enforced submission.
I’m here for my daily ASMR-like Tudor Lesson. 😊
Yeah the daily bell from Claire! I enjoyed today's video. Thank you for your hard work Claire.
I begin to see a great truth emerging in this narrative. The great lengths King Henry VIII went to, in order to control what would happen in England after his death, were all for nought--and things played out in a way he never foresaw. King Henry is destined to be judged by generations for how he treated the people around him. In life, our greatest plans can amount to nothing. All that matters is a life well lived.
That is a wonderfully stated sentiment framed by our highest standards of today.
As I mentioned in my lengthy comment above, some historians judge Henry as one of England's greatest kings. He started the navy and did a number of positive things for the nation.
Judged today, his domestic life makes him look like a Tin-Pot Dictator of a Banana Republic. Some writers have ignorantly claimed that Jack the Ripper was history's first serial killer. That is an altogether false statement but considering that JtR's reign of terror was in London, I cannot help but think to myself, what about Henry VIII?
Here, here!!! Lol
Henry's domestic woes make his reign look like what we now crudely call a Banana Republic! Or Henry himself acted like a "Tin-Pot Dictator."
I made a comment awhile back about the annulments bastardizing Mary and Elizabeth. A reply suggested the Catholic church would not have considered them illegitimate. I do not know about the church of that time but of course Henry's England was not exactly Catholic by 1536. However Rome would have viewed all of it, Henry made sure to bastardize his daughters.
Jane Seymour must have been a real aphrodisiac! It appears Henry had sexual issues with Anne Boleyn toward the end. He must have been very certain he could do his part to create the needed son with Jane. Yet how idiotic to pin all hopes on the third marriage in a day when many women and their babies died during the childbirth process! As I understand it, Jane had a long and difficult labour and Edward's birth certainly cost her her life.
Then there was Anne of Cleves with whom Henry could not/would not consummate the marriage. For all her youth and charms, was Henry able to function with Katherine Howard? I can hardly wait to hear the explanation of why parliament urged Henry to marry Katherine Parr. I think by then Henry was not functioning well in general.
One would think Henry would have secured the succession with a healthy son before he bastardized his daughters. Everyone must have known Fitzroy was severely ill.
Some say Henry was one of England's greatest kings, creating the navy, etc. I can see that point but he is extremely lucky his nobles and parliament accepted Mary and Elizabeth in the succession, especially Elizabeth. It all seems like an idiotic game, Bastard For the Day or something. Monty Python or Benny Hill could have made some great satire from this history. (Maybe they did?) In the meantime, Charles Laughton's Henry VIII hilariously got what was coming to him.
If we want to mention karma, Queen Elizabeth I's fantastic, long reign was a great cosmic payback for Henry's ridiculous, childish and lethal whims! I truly hope it IS Queen Anne Boleyn's picture in Elizabeth's ring.
A very informative video, although I feel like your voice was in stereo(?), It almost sounded like 2 of you speaking at the same time. Love your pages and videos, thank you for feeding my Tudor addiction. 🤣
I hear her perfectly.
I have the same thing, like an echoey effect.
@@Sabrinajaine Yes! My husband heard it as well. Not bothersome but noticeable.
Slight distinction but not bothersomev
I've just tried the video on my PC and phone, and Tim has checked it on his PC and phone too, and it sounds normal so I really don't know. Sorry! Perhaps a TH-cam glitch??
Henry loved making the rules to suit himself: “My way or else!”
What a messed up family.
Sorry Clare, I too have the poor quality in sound again. Yesterday it was ok, but not today. I heard the echo and it was also tinny. Love this series will keep watching regardless of sound quality.
Oh no! Tim edited 8th, 9th and 10th at the same time so you might find the same with those, but when I do the 11th I'll get him to double-check all the audio settings. Sorry about that.
This was all wrong but what Henry wants Henry got I wonder what life would have be like if his brother had lived thank you Claire as always xx
Thank you.
🇭🇲🦘 (viewed 29/5/2021) Of course with Elizabeth only being 2 years of age, she wouldn't have realised the importance of this at the time, although no longer treated as a Princess. Whereas, Mary (being 19 or 20) would have been much more aware. A much bigger 'blow' to Mary's hopes, I think. At least her hopes of gaining the favour of her father, the King, again. ..
However, with Edward's birth, he reigned after their father's death. Although, both Mary and Elizabeth would later reign in their own right. ..
I bet that in 1536 when Parliament had 'both' girls declared illegitimate and removed from the line of succession, that King Henry VIII would have ever thought that they would each (in turn) one day be Queens of England; but they indeed were! 👑 👑 ..
"Thank you" Claire 👑👍
Henry doesn’t waste any time dispatching his plans:
1. Declare Anne a traitor and sexual deviant, annul the marriage and execute;
2. Wed the new girl, Jane, and endeavor to impregnate straightaway;
3. Declare his 2 daughters, Mary and Elizabeth, bastards, formally by law remove their claims to the throne; remove title “Princess,” thus securing the lineage to Jane’s issue only.
There’s a vindictiveness in the efficiency.