Porsche's Biggest Mistake? Why The 2018 911 Carrera T Failed To Sell
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- Towards the end of the 991's reign, Porsche introduced a new variant that should have been a hit - the 911 T. Based on the entry level Carrera, the car was designed to appeal to driving enthusiasts by giving higher performance through lighter weight, rather than more power. In essence, a half-way house to a GT3 at a much more affordable price point.
Things did not go well though, with many sitting in dealerships unsold as soon as they were delivered. Now, five years since its release and many consider it to be one of the best modern 911s - so what do I think?
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People are so focused on HP, so they over look this outstanding model. Good video Jay.
Nick Murray!! Used to watch your videos a lot. What car would you choose for simply driving about and exploring new places?
@@jimj2683 Carrera S Cabriolet with manual transmission!
@@jimj2683 Lamborghini Aventador
This IMO was a clear fumble by Porsche regardless of people's inclination towards HP. The T just comes off as a poor deal for the money.
@@camabron1 🤣
I own a 2018 T with ceramics, spider seats, manual, Gt Silver, rear seats. The driving position and response you get on normal roads is unbeatable. It has a narrower classic look, doesn’t say ‘look at me’ with a whopping wing on the back, and handles superbly. When I’m on long journeys i can get 34+ MPG in 7. Everyone who see’s / drives it cannot believe this car doesn’t get more attention. This will undoubtedly become a high demand car in the very near future
Spyder seats and rear seats are not compatible.
T are for those who knows.
@@chriscambe Indeed, 100% fake, rear seats and spyders such a dead giveaway, people are insanely weird making stories up!
I had a T with a very basic spec. Rear wheel steering, standard brakes base interior, sport steering wheel and aluminum pedals. When my 2021 Targa 4S came in I sold the T because I didn’t have room for another car so I sold the T. I’ve been kicking myself since, the 911 T was the best daily driver road Porsche I’ve ever owned.
I bought a 991.2 T and sold my 992 4S for that reason!
Owned a T for 2 years with buckets and no RWS. I never felt it needed anymore power for the road and will forever be the car I regret selling the most. Something Porsche never mentioned is that the spoiler when deployed sits higher than the base model.
I had a 2019 and put a tune on it. That car was incredibly fast but I had PDK and wished it had a manual with the T interior package. Ended up selling it and I too regret letting that car go. Now I have a 2022 Cayman GTS 4.0 with a manual 😉
Yes. T is ao underappreciated. Its not a jacked up base model but a model
And class by itself. Im having 1 and not planning to sell. Will
Add another GT3 touring in a couple of years to come.
@@rayestefania3725 I have a manual 718 Spyder with JCR exhaust and JZM Geo and the 4.0 would be ideal in a T.
@@alohasnackbar3544 I've owned the 991.2 GT3 manual and now a pdk but the T is no poor relation. The shorter gearing coupled with its narrow body makes it way more fun at sensible speeds.
@@corgi_leonberger7233 yup. Narrow body is of no poor performance. Its more nimble on curves. Great machine u have there sir. Enjoy!
Another good video, James. I’ve had my Carrera T from new, and I hope I never have to sell it - I absolutely feel it’s the perfect 911 for UK roads.
One of the best modern Porsche imho
Are the car guys brothers or a couple
@@edwardobernardino4347 good question, and I don’t think it has been answered. I believe they are friends only but I can’t say for sure
Who cares but if it gets you lads excited to spend time debating the issue in a totally pointless and irrelevant way be my guest! #pillocks
@@edwardobernardino4347 Who are you talking about?
@@TheCarGuysTV you guys... I'm a big fan of your show. Just wondered if U joint owned the cars.
I'm in Australia.
Owned a T for 2 years now. One observation I've had is the throttle response is much quicker *and* more linear in Sport Plus than either Normal or Sport. It really only feels normally aspirated-like in that mode. Sport mode, the throttle is really touchy(I think it's in an effort to make people feel it's extra "sporty") and normal the turbos just take a good while to spool up. Sport Plus is shockingly close to an NA car. Randy Pobst said he couldn't even really tell it was turbocharged on track.
I traded a 981 GT4 for my own new Racing Yellow Carrera T in 2019 - manual, RWS, T interior and no other options. You’re right on - it sat on the dealer lot for a year and I got a fat discount on it. 😁
It’s such a spectacular car for B roads / backroads, and it has just something a little bit special about it. I’ve kept this longer than any other Porsche I’ve owned.
I'm considering to buy either a 981 GT4 or a Carrera T (same money over here): what would you recommend? GT4 is a gem and that engine sounds heavenly while the Carrera T is a more mature car..I come from a 981 Boxster.
@@fastdays_1 GT4 is a better bet for the track, if you go regularly. Carrera T better for backroads, especially if your road surfaces are not always smooth.
@@melondoc Is the steering feel the same between the GT4 and Carrera T ?
@@MrSamstackz It's been a while, but I recall it being similar.
I agree with you Jay: The car is a perfect way to show that Porsche is trying to create a sporty version for us enthusiasts who don't want to dish out gt3 money. But their execution is laughable. Also 991.2>992 anyday!
The thing with 911s is that, regardless of the model you get, it always feels nice to drive
I can't imagine a lot of enjoyment without AC and audio. 20 kg is negligible.
The T was a really cool model, also the base engine is actually nicer to drive than the more powerful ones, I had a manual one and loved it, only sold it as I moved up into a GT3 touring. It also had a limited slip diff which wasn't available in the base 911. ALso had a lot of standard stuff, like sports exhaust, chrono, etc.
Wrong! The base 991.2 is a better and faster choice by far and it does have limited slip differential I know as I raced both
@@gonzalosanabria2251 You are wrong. Base Carrera does not have LSD. Not in the 991.2 gen at least.
How did you end up liking your move up to the GT3 Touring, about to do the same.
This actually had quite afew standard performance items on it ; PASM ,rear axle steer, LSD, bigger wheels , sports exhaust, short shifter , on this hence the marginal weight reduction. You couldn't add all this to a standard Carrera either and if you could if would end up costing a lot more.
A manual with the +2 seats and AC, stereo added back in with a 500 Litchfield map would be one of the most perfect Porsches.
Starting with the 964, the 911 gradually evolved into a fully fledged GT and a group of vocal enthusiasts and Porsche fans simply never understood the changes.
The Carrera T was for them, but they reject the modern 911. Also, unlike the first 911T, it was priced wrong and felt like a vanity mobile rather than an entry level trim.
If I was in the market for a 991.2 I'd get a Carrera S PDK since it has the most bang for your buck and does everything I need it to.
A 991.2 Carrera T is my attainable dream car, hope to one day own one!
I loved my Carrera T, bought it at the bottom in 2020 and sold this year for $30k more than I paid. I don't regret the sale but I do miss the car. It will be a collector's car someday.
If I ever get to build a project car, I'll have Porsche in mind.
They are bloody brilliant without being to obvious about it.
Not obnoxiously loud, no outrageous horse power figures, but will outperform nearly everything they go against.
Carrera T is already one of the most sought after 991.2 models and is destined to be a future classic. Arguably the best 911 daily driver ever made.
Contrary to not selling, in Canada pre-owned Carrera T's are now selling at a substantial premium over the new price.
I agree... It should have been like the Club Sport. Stripped and available with options like Aircon or Ceramic Brakes. It should have started with the lowest price of any 911 model.
But how can it be cheaper then 991.2 base, if it had various performance upgrades vs base (LSD for manual and PTV for PDK cars, 20” S wheels vs 19” base model, light weight glass, short shift kit, PASM -20mm, Sports exhaust, Sport Chrono and some other)?
@@salvissmudo4496 by not filling it with all that "upgrade" stuff that it doesn't need, and would be better without?
The Carerra T is a lightweigt rear wheel drive supercar. One of the best Porsches ever made. It wil go up in value!
I do agree that the options list should have been limited, but not in the manner you speak. IMO A/C and radio should only be excluded on track editions (I live in the Southeast region of the US) and back seats should remain optional for any 911. For the 911T, gear box, color, 1 of 2 types of seat, and ceramic brakes are the only options that should have been available. Cut all of the customization options like belt and dial colors, keep the seats in cloth with either fixed back or manual adjustments, make the sport Chrono pack standard along with the lowered stance, and keep the more aggressive suspension. That would've been superb for this application.
I love the turbo whistle upon acceleration.
Carrera T is a sweet car, and I want one, but it is probably just a wee bit expensive for what it's worth, at least in how it appears on paper. Were it a slightly cheaper version of Carrera it would have outsold even the Carrera S, probably.
Yeah, I feel like a cayman gt4 would be a much better buy for the money.
Even though you could easily add a sh*t load of power to this car and make it feel like better value for money, you'd probably just end up ruining the car instead in the process.
I felt exactly like this and didn’t get one. It’s probably a mistake (that I didn’t get one) but I felt it was too expensive per spec, had the small engine, and could get much better specked plain Carreras with more toys (full leather etc for less). I also felt the dynamic benefits of the T would never be manifested in normal roads for 99.9% of owners’ abilities including my own, especially as no owner would have the benefit of back to back comparison. Thus I have since done 10k miles on a plain Carrera, and my life avg speed is 11mph…
I think they’re a good buy.. Back in 2018 I had a Miami blue loaned to me for three weeks while my then Carrera S 991.2 was in for a warranty repair and to tell you the truth.. If my S hadn’t come back and the dealer had said “would you like to keep the T?”.. I would have said yes.. I never noticed much turbo lag in my S, but I did after having had the T. The immediacy of throttle response was very noticeable and the T just felt more special to drive than my S. The drop in power I could easily have lived with. Great review!
Given your feedback, a 991.1 GTS would meet your criteria
I get what your saying, and I was tempted before getting my 991.2 C2S however, steering feel in the gen1 compared with the gen 2 is lacking (by no means is it perfect in the gen 2 but still notably better than the gen 1, and I much prefer the styling tweaks of the gen 2. The rear lights are much nicer on the gen 2, but.. I do realise you can upgrade the gen 1 rear lights to gen two. The one thing the gen 1 has over the gen 2 is the look of the sports exhaust. My C2S had the standard exhaust system with 4 tips Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the pdk box that bit better in the gen 2 also?
Oh, I forgot.. the sound of the gen 1 being NA is obviously superior, but then it lacks torque
@@scottcowan6798 fair feedback, although subjective. You referenced turbo lag. .1 GTS is 430hp NA sweetness. Pair it with manual gearbox, option the short shifter
@@scottcowan6798 true, but 991.1 GTS is actually a lighter car than the 991.2 T. IMO, Porsche missed the mark with the T.
Jay loves Porsches. I appreciate his reviews. And he’s honest.
Ive owned several 911 models over the last 12 years. Base carrera to gt3 touring. The T is my current and does all things well. Love it!
Interesting thread this given your experience of other models including the GT3 which I'm tempted by. But not being interested in track days and I prefer Euro road trips, this feels like a real sweet spot - are you still enjoying it as much?
The T was released at the end of the 991 lifecycle. Many potential buyers waited another few months for the next gen to be released. That’s a major factor, so one should not only talk about price and car specs here!
Another great ,very informative video ,im a big fan of the 911 ,would love to own another one day
The issue at hand isn t just the contradiction between lightweight and then the option list, it s that the Cayman exists, the 911 is a rather sporty GT nowadays whilst even a bog standard Cayman - mostly due to the chassis and not so much the "normal" engine for sure- shouts "I m the sportier, significantly cheaper and even more practical choice over any T,. You want T virtues, get a Cayman is the motto.
A cayman is cayman but never a 911
The price is not for the stickers, LSD, pack chrono , PASM and sport exhaust are included. This is a rare , good looking and fun to drive car and the interior is specific to this model. Great choice !
I can't fathom having no ac in a 120k dollar car.
The T model vs base 991.2 had a lot off extras, that added weight (e.g. mechanical LSD for manual car, Sports exhaust, bigger 20 inch wheels vs 19 on base model), thus the actual weight savings were more than just those 20 kgs for equally equipped cars and as well the price difference was rather small if you would put all those extras on base 991.2. Another major difference is also short shift kit that you got on T and could not get from factory on 991.2 which makes the shifting in the 7sp manual quite nice (at least I enjoyed it and do not see any reason why would you need 6sp gearbox). If you go to Europe at least one or twice a year for long trip, the 7sp gearbox allows to achieve super low fuel consumption numbers (my friend goes to trips and gets around 8l per 100km on those trips, including fast driving on autobahns) which makes it great car for long rides as well great daily car (unless you sit all the time in traffic).
Also, I do not see any reason in wanting to not allow to opt your base or T model as you wish - this is the route Porsche is going in 992 generation any many hate it as it forces you to by S model in many cases 😢
Do you order a veggie burger with extra bacon? This is a specialty "light weight" model that should remain as such, no adding stuff back. If you want luxuries, buy another model.
@@TML34 LSD isn't a luxury item, it's a performance item.
20KG is like 1% weight saving! So a 1% performance performance? Staggering difference?
Great comment. Many do not understand that the addition of these options into a base 911 would put it into about a 100kg weight savings of the t vs the Carrera.
Imo the 4.0L from the Cayman GT4 and boxster was an insulting motor…they wanted people to buy the GT4 name and pretend they had the 4.0L from the GT3 but it wasn’t even close. The 3.8L proper GT3 motor was a far better fit. They wasted precious years that we don’t have many left of with the option of these special motors and that’s heretical
T owner since spec'ing and taking delivery in Dec '18. Love it. I appreciate the review and agree with the overall assessment of the car.
There are a few errors though: this really is the direct descendant of the 968 CS. The similarities in them are just too many to ignore. And the 968 was not as widely accepted initially as portrayed, the old forums are rife with people hating it initially and saying pretty much the same derogs here. It was funny to find during research. The options on the car WERE limited, honestly, and the argument about over spec'ing while valid doesn't really hold. Those cars aren't the ones holding their value, nor are they sought. You didn't have to spec the T interior, but it really sets the car off. The PDK cars, spec'd by the dealers and weighed down with options, are the ones that sat at dealers. And still are...
I'm not objective, but I really do believe there is a lot more to this car than confirmed by Porsche in the press, and that it will continue to be loved now. Just as the 968 CS has become highly prized. Keeping mine for the foreseeable future. Thanks for keeping the hype alive, Jay. Appreciate it. SS
Here in Brazil the Carrera T was a great success! It got very interesting options not available for the base Carrera model. And, at least here it’s not that stripped out of creature conforts like air con or rear seats. Besides that, some drivers that use their cars on Porsche Track Days, with a basic tune (like you said) and Cup tires, incredibly split the ranks of track dedicated Porsche GT3 in a manner that even the 718 GT4 or the 992 Carrera S can’t do so far. You’re right when you said that Porsches’s message maybe ‘got a bit confusing at some point, but if you did your homework and specced your car like you really wanted…it’s love at first drive!
A trip to Litchfield sorts any issue out with the Carrera T.
I loved my Carrera T and miss this car. The only thing I didn’t bond with was the sound of the 3.0t engine after a while the pops and crackles got a little old. I swapped back to a 997.2 and enjoy this cars engine more for weekend blasts
I love the Carrara T so I got one and now I love it even more… just the right car for me…. It’s a personal Choice
In manual guise I think it’s a great wee car and just lifts the base model to something a bit special. Even Nick Murray suggests the base engine is the sweet spot engine!
But he Always buys the "S".
The T is an amazing Spec , so few made . I Love mine and feel so fortunate having one of these unicorn 911 's
When you say “don’t let people option all these things” Porsche just hears “make money printers stop go Brrrrr”
To me, 992s aren't built as well. Just one reason im sticking with my 991.2 4 gts. Love it.
Great vids btw, joined.
stopped caring for ferraris after the 458, and for 911s after the 997 for some reason.
2011/2012 is when Nice cars died
I love Porsche but I am a bit disillusioned since they went turbo and the GT3/GT4 out of the reach of normal enthusiast who doesn’t have a blank cheque. Newer models are coming out fast like mobile phones, nice content Jay.
Was close to purchasing one, but the stock brakes are from the base, not the S and small for track work. You can order the carbons for a lot extra, and then don’t want to use them on the track anyway.
You drove the 7 speed in the 991.2 GTS and had great things to say about that car as well.
Oh my god you can’t argue with that Porsche flat 6 sound it’s so good even when muted
I agree that Porsche missed a trick with the Carrera T, they should have been much bolder with the weight saving. This would have justified the premium over the standard Carrera….. Still it is a cool car
Agree. Have extracted nearly 100 lbs. from mine while maintaining wife friendly nature. Ultimate goal is sub 3,000 lbs..
This car looks incredible, I actually like this minimalist package. Have you seen the new 911 Sport Classic? That one looks fantastic.
Sport Classic is more bullshit from Porsche that you’ll never have the opportunity to buy. They’ll sell it to some Uber rich asshole who will turn around and flip it for $100k profit. The way Porsche handles their limited edition cars is maddening.
We removed the back seats and put in a smaller turbo, and charged more.
Your best video to date. You are correct on all arguments/comments/observations! PAG, take note of the content herein if you make another attempt of a “T” Model again! The T should have come with the 6 spd manual and a small hp bump! Cheers/B
To me the previous Carrera T recipe is actually a good one. But Porsche didn't price it correctly. If it were, say, £3500 less than a Carrera, it would have been a great deal. I don't mind cloth seats (in fact I do like them) but an extra £2000 for cloth seat centres and some stitching is a bit much.
You hardly use the 7th gear during regular driving or on the track, so I don't see the point of the 7 speed manual over the 6. Then again, most buyers would probably prefer the PDK over the manual. And like the reviewer said, this should have gotten the new 4.0 engine but it wasn't I production at the same time as the Carrera T.
stunning car, its so strange how the hype for Porsche exploded over last 3 years say. Can't put my finger on what was the trigger for that. I grew up with Porsche only ever being regarded as a posh sport car rather then a desirable exotic car. Times change!
Really? Porsche were not on my radar before, and these days 911's are just bigger, fatter, and more expensive cars than they used to be.
I don't think you can walk in and buy one around here. Also they dyno at the crank HP. So super underrated.
That colour is fantastic. They probably could have saved some money and just gone PDK instead of developing a 7SPD manual. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
I was wondering how the 992 Carrera T compared to this, the newer T looks pretty attractive too!
Thanks for another great review Jay! I think you featured this car in the appropriate light and reminded us that driver’s focused products by Porsche are generally very good despite what the stat junkies want to tell you.
The turbo is so loud! Love it.
I stopped after you said no Air con 😂
Love your work as always
Nice video, quite a fan of the T in boxster, cayman and 911 form.
IIRC, there are features on this car that you could only specify on a Carrera S. Therefore - if you wanted the base turbos / performance with some of those features (RAS? Handling?) you needed to get the T. Minor nitpick.
For me it should have had the brakes from the S… I believe they’re just the standard stoppers from the base carrera
Forecourt prices just went up 10% . Dealers follow Jay, and act for a quick profit.
Yes. I totally forgot about. It. Too. Had to delve back head get any recollection whatsoever.
The idea of no a/c fills me with dread in our current weather
Best spec 911 you can get. Plus cheapest option to get a manual transmission.
Good report. Thanks.
Your suggestions to increase sales are to add the GT3 RS Carbon Bonnet and GT3 Gearbox ($$$), and restrict the colors and options? I can't imagine that would be a winning strategy.
Lack of rear seats destroys its secondary market by cutting the demand for the model
No because the people who want a T are also the people who would have a gt3 if they could. This is the whole point of the GTS.
Lol....um no. The people who can afford this also have an SUV.
The T is more than just a base Carrera with a sticker. 1st off, the rear spoiler retracts higher than a GTS and its directly taken from the GT3 touring.
On the chassis, its equipped with PASM sport suspension as standard which its 10mm lower than a Carrera S with standard PASM and 20mm lower than those with steel spring.
With that being said, it has a tougher anti roll bar and ride better. Therefore, it can attack curves confidently while not being too overpowered.
Lastly, the engine mount for T is 2inches forward than the standard models. There are actually more than just a sticker that T offers.
If u added in RWS, it will be curve attacking weapons. Might be better than a GTS.
Plus it has a mechanical diff!
@@loderomeijn8981 mechanical diff only available with manual. Not PDK tho. Haha.
@@alohasnackbar3544 yes
It’s amazing, the 991.2 didn’t sell and now the 992 is insanely priced and super difficult to find!
This is so well presented and informative. Jay you should be presenting top gear.ratings would go through the roof.brilliant review.
That would be true if top gear was still a car program.
@@brogenville ha very true its not about cars now your right.
The biggest fail was my yellow Lotus Evora 400, still got make some nightmares years after trade it.
I always wondered what's wrong with a base 911 Carrera that the "T" fixed🧐
No Limited slip diff. Pathetic for such overpriced cars.
Well carrera T didnt fail at all. Its not just another base model with "touring" marketing terms. It has more than just a wording revision. Its engine is 2 inches forward than base Carrera including GTS. Has rear spoiler thats directly taken from GT3 touring which raised higher than any of the carrera models. PASM sport suspension as standard which is optional even in Carrera S and GTS model. With SPASM as standard which means stiffer anti roll and 20mm lower with front spoiler lips. All of these which are cost option and some arent acessible with base carrera model. So T is unique as its own.
You can’t simply put a badge on a car without adding more power and performance then expect people to pay for it. Fewer features that no one wants on resale makes no sense. This particular car is nice only because it’s well optioned. There is nothing about this that makes it preferable to the S given the price. Like many 911 models the initial hype is a function of the belief that it will quickly become a classic and go up in price. Unfortunately Porsche has fallen victim to speculators and you can’t simply buy any 911 that Porsche sells unless you are somebody.
I think that I would rather have the LC500 you tested in the last video I saw
What a great drivers car😎 -by the way, Porsche charges 16.500 pounds for optional ceramic breaks on the Carrera models in Denmark!🤐
You actually drove a manual 991.2 GTS 😎can’t believe you’ve forgotten.
Gorgeous car and great video James.
Great review jay, Would like a 991.2 either Carrera or S model what’s your thoughts
Looks like Porsche finally found the breaking point where customers weren't willing to pay extra for nothing.
Great Review! It seems that the car in used state reached the right price bracket. With a few little mods it could be even better.
I could be wrong, but I'm sure they were priced just under the base Carrera here in Australia
I have driven a 991 with the Carbon Ceramics and I am a fan, as a 996 C4S owner I was a bit surprised at how much bigger the 991 is and I agree the interior isn't as special as it should be (thats something coming from a 996 owner). Saying all that this would probably be my modern 911 of choice, if only it had an N/A engine.
Had one for two years, drove 35000 km and resold it at a substantial premium over my initial purchase price. All costs related to owning the car for two years are refunded. So I don’t understand the comment on car value. Moved up now to GT3 Touring, hope I will be able to say the same in few years from now
What a coincidence, this very car has a cameo in our latest vlog! Seems it's been making the rounds 😁
Certainly one that would interest me - good video. What surprising is the MPG. The usability of 911s make us drive them when, perhaps, lesser fare would be equally suitable (boring motorway runs etc). My old 40AE does 32-34 on a motorway. It’s a six speed - not particularly over geared either. It’s to do with weight. Progress?
This car is very difficult to find in the US now! it’s an amazing trim and I kick myself for not buying one when I had the chance! Id rather have this than my 992
Nice car. Sidenote but let it be said: The "factory performance weight savings" of more or less any modern car, and certainly Porsche, are a joke. As a percentage, its just too small of a difference to make any real world difference of note, and would be hardly noticable by a professional race driver on a back to back controlled test with the standard version on a race track....
Best of all are the Porsche fabric door handles and sticker instead of hood emblem. Not even the best driver in the world could tell the small fractions of a pound those things make as a difference. As a sort of a "racing homage" it makes sense and can be seen as kind of cool, but as anything tangiable, not.
But maybe its the reviewers we should blame, that do imply they indeed are "weight savings" of any note instead of the appearance option purpose they fill. Not directed at Mr Jayemm specifically of course, he has taken a reasonable enough stance.
The real basic Porsche sport car is now the Cayman GT4.
The 911 is more into Luxury GT except for the GT2 and GT3 naturally, that are incredible beasts and everything but basics!
I was a Porscher, and if I decided to own a car again or some (I don't actually), I would be overwhelmed by all the options offered by Porsche now, from Cayman GTS to 911 GT3, and would probably end up with a 911 Touring as a compromise. An awesome compromise.
Definitely tempted by these machines 😈
I would struggle to buy a car over £40K. But if I was buying a new 911. I would go for the 450bhp Carerra S.
Even remapping my turbo charged hatchback. The extra 20% or so bhp makes a massive difference. So why would anyone want the lower powered Porsche.
You can get the Carerra S in a manual for around price of the T model.
what is the point of having a road going car with things like an AC delete. Makes sense if it's a track car where tenths of a second matter
This car is an instant iconic classic and in 5 to 10 years will be worth at least 10 to 20 k more than a standard Carrera.
Still the one modern 911 I'm interested in placing in my garage. 👍
The T cars are odd with the lowest power engine in the line and the S chassis. I was looking for one in a 991.2 but decided the regular Carrera was a better car for me. The other bundling model in the Porsche lineup is the GTS which is a bargain with the top engine and all the goodies bundled in for a better price than an S with options added.
I love my T, but they’re all great cars. A base can easily be modified to provide the same, or better, driving experience than a T. Or you can just drive it stock and enjoy a sports car better than anything else at that price.
T is the most special out of the lineup aside from a gt3. It has and will retain its value better than the s and 4s and doesn’t have the gimmicky Alcantara as the GTS. Much more special than most of them. And how cool are these door pulls ??!!
The one you tested didn’t have the 18 way seats - a big miss.
GTS be optioned with leather interior and would put it up against a “T” in performance, exclusivity and value.
@@yyz4165 compared to the T, the GTS has no mechanical LSD, no fabric door pulls, no lightweight glass, no short shifter etc.
@@TommyLGarage ??? LSD is standard kit on GTS; mechanical with 7MT, electronic with PDK models… door pulls. LOL, who cares
Fab review as always, thank you
No faster than a base Carrera, and minimal weight savings. For $3000 more you could get a Carrera S.
I’ve had a 997.1 and a 997.2 C4S, and now have a 991.2 C4S with manual. It’s far superior than the first two. It’s got RWS and PDCC.