Apple LOG h.265 vs ProRes 422 HQ | Blackmagic Camera App on iPhone 15 Pro Max
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Apple LOG in h.265 holds up extremely well from general technical LUT's to color grading. Having this much quality at nearly 5% of the file size of ProRes 422HQ is amazing!
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Thanks for doing the testing I've been too lazy to do! And thanks for jumping right into the info that matters. iPhone 15 + BM App + H265 is absolutely the winning combo.
Hey hey Brandon! You're most welcome, glad the video was useful! Definitely a winning combo. Its been refreshing to film with a completely different camera that doesn't require me to haul a camera haha.
You meant regular 15 or 15 pro ? I am thinking should i go for 15 pro or not as 15 can also do ProRes in BM App.
I agree! The fact that you can record H265 straight to ssd on the regular iphone 15 is a godsend for long recordings.
I'm an amateur to video but believe me, i really tried my level best to find a difference between prores and H265 but even at 400% the difference is so small its basically nonexistent. This is so liberating for me because now I can shoot and record internally to my phone and not need to worry about dangling SSDs or running out of space. Thanks for the short and sweet video
You're most welcome! I too am glad to see no major consequences in using h.265. Makes it that much easier to deploy my iPhone in a jiffy!
Im trying to figure out why videos are not playing on my PC when i import them from the Blackmagic app on my iphone 15. Videos play when I import from the original iphone camera app but not blackmagic.
Thanks for the comparison - I will use H265 Apple log going forward! 😀
You're most welcome! Glad it was helpful!
I use a few cameras that shoot h.265 10-bit and I've always found it really flexible in post & no issues falling apart so the idea of using h.265 on the BMD app vs native really excited me (enough to want to switch back to iPhone after a decade away) as a really convenient option. I have no issue using external devices/storing large files but things are just so much simpler with smaller files vs massive ProRes files. It means workflows like AirDropping to Mac for editing quickly is feasible again too.
Thanks for the detailed comparison. I was expecting much more of a tradeoff given the filesize difference. Surprising exactly how good it is
I used to think using smartphones was only if you had nothing else, but now I think its now a viable tool as a quick camera to use if the principle one is already deployed or just snapping a quick b-roll shot!
You're most welcome. It is surprising how small the file size is and how well is working so far. Hopefully they introduce a constant bitrate in their next update. Maybe 40-50 Mbit/s at the low end?
@@TLDR_filmmaker I've been trying to cram my S22U footage in to my stuff because it's soooo close & have on occasion because it's soooo close but the smartphone look is just a little too obvious. A quick shot on the 3x/.5x is going to be a lot quicker than switching lens!
Given how good BMD are at updates and asking features I wouldn't be surprised. I know they do frequent the Blackmagic forums
After recently getting a camera that can shoot log i am never looking back. thanks for this detailed side by side comparison, i was looking for this exact scenario. I will probably skip 15 and maybe even 16 due to budget but it's really exciting to know how far video on phones have gotten.
I avoided LOG for so long because I didn't understand it and youtubers at the time never made it 100% clear how to really utilize it. Now that I figured it out, I am with you! Never looking back. With Apple LOG behaving like real LOG, it will be interesting to see if in the 16 or 17 they allow people with regular iphone models to shoot LOG.
Thank you for this video. I also prefer h.265 and the fact that black magic offers Apple log with h.265 is a game changer for me. Filmic Promhas missed this opportunity
They sure did. At this point I feel FilmicPro is dead in the water. Ain't no way they're coming back.
@@TLDR_filmmaker I don't know why but H.265 Apple Log files from my iPhone 15 pro (generated from Black Magic Camera App) are not recognized as video files in DaVinci resolve (but only as audio files). Do you have any idea why I can't read them? I have the HEVC codec installed though. Thanks for your help
@@Bluemanta69 You're the second person I've heard this happen to. I'm not sure what could be happening as my Davinci resolve read the files without a problem.
Assuming you've already tried uninstall and install of the Blackmagic Camera App and that your davinci resolve is at least 18.5 or above.
The only thing I can think of is I'm on an Apple computer. Are you on a windows? I wonder there is something odd about how windows is seeing the HEVC files.
@@TLDR_filmmaker Thanks for your quick response. I'm on Windows 11 indeed. I've just reinstalled the BM app and the HEVC code on my computer, it doesn't change anything unfortunately. Otherwise I have the latest version of Davinci Resolve (18.6) so no issue on that side. It's weird...
@@Bluemanta69 If you opened the file in something like VLC Player or Quicktime. Does the footage play as normal or is it still just audio?
It's been a long time since my Windows days. Long ago I thought maybe you'd have to download Quicktime and it came with some codecs for h.264 MOV files. Wonder if it could be the same in this case?
Thanks a lot! You make it clear for me to shoot in HEVC and enjoy my life without struggling with memory limits.
Thanks for your content! I just bought yesterday my iPhone 15 pro and I’ll start to record videos. I’ll use h265 with apple log, incredible!
Glad you like the video! Have fun with your iPhone 15 Pro!
thanks a ton! really don't understand why doesn't apple let us shoot h.265 log in the native app
Apple being Apple I guess. It could come out in a later iOS update. But for now they wanted the pros to use it as intended for the highest quality possible.
Nice you did the test i was gonna do this weekend! thanks for saving me a couple hours!
You're welcome! Haha Enjoy shooting with it!
Thanks for this video. It's very helpful. I noticed that BMCApp only has a Log HDR option for color space and not a Log SDR. Whereas in the native app through the setting you can choose SDR Log over HDR Log. This is important if you don't want to get the Apple HDR Look and have an SDR image to work with. Have you found any workarounds for that? I don't like the Apple HDR and want a more natural skin tone of the SDR image from a regular camera... Please let me know your thoughts.
I'm not entirely sure why in v1.1 they took it away and only now have Apple Log - HDR Rec2020. I will add this request in my most recent video that we'd like to have the Apple LOG - SDR option back. I too prefer it over the rec2020 as the Blackmagic Rec2020 does not behave in davinci resolve like the one straight from the iphone camera app.
@@TLDR_filmmaker Apple Log, that color profile, is defined as having Rec.2020 Color Space, they only changed the label, there is no SDR Log in the native app or in BM Camera. Its all in the whitepaper (all of the definitions of what Apple Log is are from Apple, BM Camera is just implementing what the iPhone's API's expose).
In native app, you can choose between SDR, HDR and Log, same as BMC (they just updated the label). Specifically, you don't get the "apple HDR" look when using Log, that is the point of using Log is that you are going to do the processing of the image, so you can define how you are doing tone mapping and gamut mapping, etc.
Thats the video we needed 🎉
Thanx a lot.
So it seems H265 is very good and completely useful..
So even the 15 Pro 128 GB could be ok in this case...
A iPhone 15 Pro with only 128gb or storage will have plenty of storage for the h.265 file size.
@@TLDR_filmmaker yeah thats cool 😎
Because there is a big difference in price in my country so thinking about to get the 15 Pro 128 GB 😊
If you get the 15 pro then I’d just record ProRes directly to external ssd giving you the best quality. Unless file size is an issue.
Thanks for doing this test! Now that you've played with this footage what storage size of the Iphone would you go with if you would use Iphone as a spontaneous run and gun camera or B or C?
No problem! Assuming you are primarily using h.265 for the spontaneous filming. 128gb at the lower end is more than enough to grab some shots as a b-cam. However if this is also your personal phone then I would see how much storage you currently use and buy the next storage tier up.
If you're planning to only film in Prores, go up two tiers case them file sizes get big!
Thanks for the video. I was impressed when you said you were recording the A-Roll with the iPhone, it looks great. And for A-Roll I'm thinking I could always add a bit of blur on the background to compensate in DaVinci.
The Apple Log is definitely impressive. The footage no longer looks like a smartphone. Thats a good point using Davinci to add more background blur when needed.
I was waiting for this video. One question. For youtube head talking video, is it better to use h265 or h264 ?
The only difference between h265 and h264 is file size. Older computers can handle h264 better and really struggle editing h265 simply because the files are so compressed and require a powerful processor to work on them.
Frank said exactly what I was gonna say. Thanks Frank!
Uhhh, what happened to prores 4444 XQ on the Blackmagic Cam app? It updated to version 1.1 and it is no longer an option. The highest is 422 HQ? Anyone have a link so I can go back to version 1.0? That is ridiculous.
Just for future reference. I do look through the comments so no need to comment on multiple videos. I'll see it the first time :)
"Prores 4444 was removed in update 1.1. Based on my testings it did not seem to be real 4444, so recording in the codec was not achieving any benefits. Maybe it could come back in a later version if they do figure out a way to record true 4444. But for now it was just a large file with no real benefit over 422 HQ"
Pardon, in the banding bit-rate comparison, there were dust spots. From iPhone footage?
I didn't see any in the banding test. If you mean the Tree test, that was me holding an ND filter in front of the lens and you was seeing a element reflection flare from the ND.
@@TLDR_filmmaker Thanks for confirm. That makes sense.
Exactly the video I wanted to see. How about H.264 - would it have more details/noise?
You most likely won't see much difference in detail and noise between h.264 vs h.265. You will probably just end up with a slightly larger file size with h.264. However if you have an older computer that doesn't handle editing h.265 HEVC well. Then you will want to film in h.264.
_I prefer fortwotoHQ when recording and dimly lit low light areas to capture better details at night and or lowly dim lit areas within a room it gets even better with HDR_
Thanks for this video! I have been using HEVC+AppleLog but still resorted to ProRes for some events to keep the 10-bit information.
Do HEVC+AppleLog retain 10-bit information, or is it 8-bit?
On the same note, I do agree, I hope that BlackMagic will introduce a constant bitrate!
Between my Quicktime and Davinci Resolve video inspector. All the metadata says the Apple LOG HEVC is 10bit encoded. From the way it's grading it also feels like 10bit to me.
The only mention about Apple LOG being 8bit that I could find was here. th-cam.com/video/KLwZSG3T3x8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared&t=1120
I'm not entirely sure how they figured out its a 8-bit color space wrapped in a 10bit prores. But they were also using the in-camera app and not Blackmagic Camera. Not entirely sure if there is a difference there in how Apple's camera app is coding everything.
Hope this helps!
I used FFMPEG like this: ffmpeg -i filename.mp4
and I looked for:
Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Video: hevc (Main) (hvc1 / 0x31637668), yuv420p(tv, bt709), 3840x2160, 54092 kb/s, 50 fps, 50 tbr, 600 tbn (default)
In this example, it yields information as being HEVC 8-bit (yuv420p) with 54Mbps bitrate.
thank you for going straight to the point. subscribed
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Terrific video - thank you!
You're most welcome! Happy to hear you enjoyed it!
Hi :) Hope all's well. Thanks so much for this very useful video! Just what I'm exploring and was wondering about. I have a 1TB iPhone 13 Pro Max I'm working at selling as I just bought a 512GB iPhone 14 Pro Max. When I set the Blackmagic Camera app to ProRes 422 HQ it says I have 60 min. of video to shoot for my storage. Not much really. I guess now with my iPhone 14 Pro Max it doesn't seem like I can shoot in Apple Log even in the Blackmagic Camera app. I guess this limits the dynamic range, etc. What option might work best as far as color grading and overall quality of the video? I guess I can still shoot h.265 but not in log. I have an 2TB M1 Mac Mini and FCP and DaVinci Resolve. I guess the h.265 requires a lot more work to color grade it, but just watched a video of editing it in DaVinci on an M1 Mac and it worked okay. Eventually I'll upgrade to an iPhone 15 Pro Max or an iPhone 16 Pro Max. Fairly new to all this. :) Thanks much for your help! Subscribed. :)
Apple LOG at this time is a feature of the iPhone 15 pro/max. Not sure if it'll ever be released to the iphone 13 or 14 via iOS updates?
Not having Apple LOG actually doesn't limit your dynamic range all that much. When filming in any of the other three color profiles you can achieve 13 stops of dynamic range based on my tests with my color board. Rec709 and P3 to me has the best colors. The Blackmagic HDR is very different from Apples on HDR and requires a bit of work to get the colors to be natural to start with.
I have a M1 Macbook Air 16gb and have no problems editing all the footage you saw in this video (FCPX or Davinci) I used to have a 8gb model but in some cases it was struggling with more complicated edits. If you have 16gb, you're good to go!
Hope all is helps! Thanks for subbing!
@@TLDR_filmmaker Thanks! :) All of this is very helpful, including of course this video, and your other videos too in relation to this.
I was wondering too which color space setting might be best so thanks for the suggestions. Also wondering if I''d need DaVinci Studio and not just the free one to edit 10-Bit video.Guess I'd have to transcode the files to use the free version.
All of the info you shared here is great news. I was worried about the 512GB storage on my iPhone 14 Pro Max and thought I should have bought a 1TB one like my iPhone 13 Pro Max. But I'll be fine not shooting ProRes videos only. If I need to occasionally shoot one I can. Eventually it will be nice to have the USB-C port. But for now I'll have enough storage on the phone to be able to tranport videos off the phone at home even though it's slower.
Thanks again for everything. Looking forward to more videos!
I don't understand why this person uploaded a comparison video knowing TH-cam compresses the video so much that seeing the actual differences is impossible unless he zoomed into the shot and showed the zoomed in sample in a thumbnail with a small description of settings used for comparison. Very unusual for a professional filmmaker.
Great series of videos on the iPhone 15 and Blackmagic! I see that you are a fellow Clevelander.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Gotta love The Land!
How do I import video shot in h.265 in blackmagic app to windows machine to edit davinci resolve. In windows the format seems to be .mov and it just won't show up in the davinci's media pool if I import it. Any info on this would be great.
I think with windows you need to make sure you have the quicktime codec installed so that your computer can play it. I'm on a mac now, but I think back in the day you can just download the codec from Apple or just by downloading the Quicktime Player?
What frames and shutter speed did you record on? I have an iPhone 14 Pro, and I'm using the Beastcam app; the app allows me to record ProRes 422 HQ up to 4K@60fps. I didn't use Blackmagic cam because it maxes out at 4K@30 422 HQ.
I am using the blackmagic cam and there is no limitation of 4k@30. It is allowing me to record at 4k@60, Prores 422 HQ. Though my phone is Iphone 15 pro and has 96gb of memory left. I would say clear out some memory on your phone and see whether you can select the 4k@60, if you ever want to try it out.
I was primarily recording 24p except for the 60p tests. I believe the iPhone14 pro is technically capped (by apple) at 4k30p prores. I think the iPhone 15pro is the first apple phone to technically let you do 4k60p prores externally (available internally by Blackmagic)
Not entirely sure what Beastcam is doing in their app to give you a 4k60p prores. Maybe its just a h.265 wrapped in a prores file at 60p?
This is my best guess why you are not seeing 4k60p 422HQ on your iphone 14 pro
Nice test! Really interesting to see. Insightful commentary too! 🔥👏
Glad to hear the video was helpful!
I think I'll stick to Pro Res unless i'm just shooting something that's super long and requires a ton of memory.
Sounds like a plan! Always great to have the option!
Interesting take on things… seems like the biggest reason to shoot in 422 has to do with scenes where color banding could be an issue.
Yea, thats probably the time to bust out the 422. I will say in general filming I don't see any banding even if it may technically be there, the stepping is quiet small. But I guess at the end of the day youtube compression can make the banding more noticeable.
I think the file size savings are more than worth using H.265 Apple log.
100%
Thanks for your video, it confirms my initial will to use H265 files. However, I've noticed that I can't read H265 10 bits 4:2:2 files in DaVinci Resolve, I think the extended color depth (4:2:2) for H265 10 bit files is only available in the Studio version (paid version) of the software. Can you confirm that there is a limitation? In you case, what editing software do you use? Thanks
I use the studio version of Davinci. Though I feel when I had the free version I was able to use 10bit 422. I have heard from another user that was having trouble reading the h.265 files on his Windows computer running Davinci. Are you on windows too?
@TLDR_filmmaker Yes I'm on Windows 11 but I've noticed I have the same issues with the H265 10 bits 4:2:2 files from my H-H2. I think I'll have to invest into a Studio licence if I want to be able to use such files. Thanks for your answer
Excellent post thank! 🤔 how do I update the Bmagic app? cheers!
Go to your iphone App store, click on your picture on the top right and look for the apps you need to update. Unless you have Autoupdate turned on, then you don't have to do anything.
@@TLDR_filmmaker thanks!
Thank you so much for this video’s, I think hevc h265 will be good enough for 4K music videos filmed in the blackmagic app. For the most cinematic effect do you recommend shooting in 24frps or 60frps for best quality?
24p with 1/50th shutter speed will always give a more organic look that we are used to in films and TV series. 60p looks like sports games or soap opera's where the look is too clear and much TOO real (If that makes sense)
@@TLDR_filmmaker yeah I get it thx, but it seems that whenever I move the cam or someone moves that it shows as I’ve it’s not smooth enough, like slow motion but in bad quality.
thx for the visual explanation..
You're most welcome!
Thank you so much for this comparison. I just wanted to double check with you if you believe that shooting a short fiction film on Apple LOG h.265 is good enough for a film projection on a cinema screen? Will there be a big difference if I shot the short fiction film instead on ProRes 422 HQ?
Apple LOG in H.265 is more than enough for film projection on a cinema screen. My film and other indie films I worked on were all shot in 8bit h.265 non-log 4k and they all held up just fine in theatre DCP.
The only time you would want to film in prores is if you plan to keep re-exporting out between departments like the editor, colorist, VFX until you reach the final render. Thats when Prores Makes sense.
If you're just taking the h.265, doing some coloring, and everything is working off of that original file into one final export. Prores in my opinion is not really needed.
@@TLDR_filmmaker Thank you so much!
Great informative video, thanks! Could you please let me know how much space would 1 minute of h265 video take when recorded using the Blackmagic app? I understand that it may vary depending on the bitrate; just need to understand the average really, as I need to make a decision on whether to get a 256/512/1024 gb phone :)
its relatively small compared to the other codecs given! Filmed a 35-second footage 4k 30FPS with H.265 and it only took around 158Mb while if I flmed it using prores 422/HQ, it would be a staggering 3Gb+ size
@@jamesliamfigueroa thanks, this is very helpful!
Thanks for helping out in the comments James!
The files sizes for h.265 are quite small. A completely empty 256gb iphone should hold a good few hours of footage.
So it really depends on how you use your phone. Specifically text messages where you may be sending videos clips, gifs, memes, etc etc. That stuff will take up space. Especially if you have a everlasting archive of all your texts from years past. In which case I would say a 512gb is a good happy medium (thats the one I got)
I can definitely get by with a 256, but I plan to keep this phone for awhile as well as use it as my entertainment while I'm traveling. So i'll be loading movies onto it.
Wow looks abvious for me H265. Thanx. But strange enough the editing on capcut does not work With AppleLog H.265. I get a green line in the middle of the screen. Apple log H.264 and ProRes 422HQ does work.
That is strange the h.265 does not work... I wonder if capcut just needs a firmware update to understand the codec better? I know some people on windows machines seems to have problems with Apple LOG h.265 coming from the BMCAPP while my Mac does not.
Thank you so much! its most detail review what i see on youtube! Not bullshits just facts :-) So thank you so much. what do you think about the possibility of H265 vs prores proxy? any benefits for proxies especially in colored stripes?
So glad you this video brought you some value!
As for h.265 vs Prores Proxy. I think the Proxy will probably do better with the color stripes, but because of its lower bitrate at an uncompressed codec, details could be a little blurry compared to the higher Prores Codec. I personally have not shot much with the Proxy except for some test shots and basic color grade, in which case the proxy held up pretty well just like the h.265.
Prores really only become a handy tool when you have the hand it off to multiple departments after many editing passes. For content creators, h.265 has done quite well compared to h.264.
They way you just walk off screen now. LOL!!!
Yeah, I told my students to down the Blackmagic Camera app and they are enjoying it. I’m gonna challenge them to create short films just using their phones and the Rode Wireless Pro mics next year. Gonna wait for funding for at the end of this year. LOL!!!
MrHennnnng!
Haha making my channel fresh coming off of a nearly 6 month hiatus. I'm having fun again and the content is interesting to make :D
Def challenge them. Mobile Filmmaking is finally, in my eyes, viable now that Apple release their on LOG color space. New phones from now are going to be very interesting!
Thanks for the very useful video!
Just curious - how did you transfer the files from the BM app to the computer? Was it via the iOS Files app using an external storage device? I've found that if I select the 'Save Video' option in the BM app it will save the footage to the iOS Photos app as H.264 (lame!). This way though the footage is readily accessible simply by connecting the phone to the computer, whereas anything stored in the Files app does not show up as far as I can tell.
As for H.265 vs ProRes 422 HQ quality, the difference becomes more noticeable the more you push Color Boost and Saturation in Resolve: H.265 shows clear banding while ProRes remains relatively smooth. Obviously that's just for the sake of testing, for most general use cases H.265 is a good compromise.
Yes, I used my Samsung T7 SSD and copied the files from the iOS Files app into the SSD.
You are correct, anything in the Files App does not show up when plugged into the computer... which is one of those random things that irritates me about Apple sometimes. It makes no sense. I think it probably has something to do with them not wanting the iphone to become an external storage unit itself. So they make it impossible for it to act as such.
Yup yup! H.265 is more than acceptable for most content creator applications. Productions where the iPhone is the only tool handy to grab shots will def want to use ProRes :)
@@TLDR_filmmaker You might open the iPhone in Finder, navigate to Files > Blackmagic Cam and just drag and drop the 'Media' Folder to the Desktop or any other location.
Thank you for this. Before the update of BM app it was only Apple Log, now its labeled as Apple Log - HDR. Is there a difference between both in terms of output? Thanks
No difference, I honestly do not know why they renamed it in the V1.1 update. Seems unnecessary and potentially confusing people.
@@TLDR_filmmaker thanks for confirming.
Hi, I have a question. How can import Apple Log h.265 files in Davinci? I have a sound but, no video itself in the timeline. And I have the appropriate codec for h.265, but it still doesn't seem to work with Apple Log?
I'm assuming you're on a windows computer? I have hard from some people that windows is being very odd with Apple LOG Footage from iPhone. I unfortunately do not have the answer as I'm on a Mac. So sorry.
Hey Hey Awesome guy! Sorry I'm a bit late to this one. I picked up the 15 Pro Max on launch date, but because we are in the height of haunt season (I have a haunt channel too), I haven't been able to really experiment yet. I have been on the struggle bus a bit as I first tried recording to a 1 TB SSD with proRes LOG only to have the FPS start fine, but drop to around 7 FPS for the rest of the clip, which isn't usable! I started using an external card reader with it, but it doesn't seem to work with my gimbal. I have never liked recording to the iphone storage because it's kind of a messy process to get the files off, so external recording was a big selling point for me. I assumed I should shoot in ProRes since I want the best image I can get. How does ProRes look compared to H.265 in very low light? I shoot in theme parks and haunted attractions when it's barely enough light to see. Thanks!
Ya know someone did mention that his video inspector said the files coming from his Blackmagic App recordings were "Variable". Mine does not say variable, just straight 24fps. I wonder if it has anything to do with me recording it mostly internally vs externally?
As for how Prores will look compared to h.265 in low light from the blackmagic app. The prores will be noisier because the grain detail will all be there. H.265 will probably be more muddy grain. Thats my best guess what the differences will be.
You are awesome. 🎉
Hope this video answered your question about Prores vs h.265!
Im trying to figure out why videos are not playing on my PC when i import them from the Blackmagic app on my iphone 15. Videos play when I import from the original iphone camera app but not blackmagic.
Unfortunately I'm on a Mac. I have heard from a couple others in the comments that they seem to have problems playing the files on their PC. I have yet to hear if any of them have solve the issue though.
@@TLDR_filmmaker So basically I tried using HEVC codec and the Apple prores 422 and had no success playing the file on PC. I tried with H.264 and it works fine. I am transferring files between Icloud also.
That is so strange that even Prores doesn't work. Have you found any luck on google with others that have this problem? So sorry I can't be of much help on this matter.
good video thx
You're most welcome!
I’ve got 14 pro max and BM app it shows me option 422HD . Is it same as apple log o 15 pro max ?
No, 14 doesnt record log
I'm not sure if thats what he was asking, but yes the iPhone 14 does not have Apple LOG. This is a feature only on iphone 15 pro at the moment.
If you're wondering about Prores4444 that was on BMCapp v1. That was removed because it was never true Prores4444.
Can normal 15 record Pro-Res on BM App. or should i upgrade to 15 pro ?
You may need to double check this in forums, but I do have comments on my other videos that the regular iPhone 13 has access to Prores through the BMCapp. So in theory a regular iPhone 15 will have it too, just no Apple LOG. Apple LOG is exclusive to the Pro Lineup.
@@TLDR_filmmaker thanks for this info, would pro-res with 15 do for basic vanilla youtube projects(like recording guitar play video in a room) or is LOG something i have to get. I dont see any other features that excite me about the Pro series. Can you pls suggest.
Video duration being 4:22 tells me it is not a coincidence :)
... That is PURE coincidence because I did not realize that!! Good catch! haha
There are some serious issues with this app so many people reporting problems , A lot of people can not see Apple LOG option only Apple log HDR !
actually Only the apple log hdr option gives you 10bit recordings
Just responded to your other comment. For the future you only need to comment once as I'll see the comment and respond.
"The v1.1 update simply renamed it. It still performs like Apple LOG. Not sure why they renamed it. Seems unnecessary."
VideoLUT app for iOS can color grade and much more. It’s has every LUT you can think of with very fine tuning and you can even export ProRes to HEIV at up to 100Mb/s bite-rate, 8 or 10-Bit, vise-versa (HEIV to ProRes). I mean really, iPhone is a cinema camera and video editor in one. Ok, carry on and go make a movie.
The iPhone really is. Shot a short film with it in Apple LOG and it performed beautifully. One thing I hope for with the BMapp is that they add some sort of subject tracking AF for certain situations.
Only sensible option is log + h265
100% ProRes really is just for larger productions where the footage goes through multiple exports and reiterations (also in ProRes). Regular content creation that only goes through one final export, h.265 all the way!
@@TLDR_filmmaker but it is 8bit right? Not 10bit?
My video inspectors all show its 10bit footage h.265. I have heard people saying its 8bit, but not really showing how they came to the conclusion. I feel if this was 8bit, Apple LOG h.265 wouldn't work so well with any of the color grading I've thrown at it.
@@TLDR_filmmaker ohh awesome, hope really 10bit, how can we be sure?
@@nomadicreels my LUT and color grades would have massively gnarled the footage if it was 8bit. I just did a TH-cam and Google search about Apple log being 8bit and I couldn’t find anything about it.
Where did you first hear it? Can you link me to a source? I’m wondering if it’s just some wild rumor cause all the files are encoded at 10 bit from what I can tell.
is 10bit possible with h265 in the BM app?
It records in 10bit automatically. There are some conflicting reports that its not true 10bit. But from my own observations it certainly does not behave lower than 10bit color.
I used to be able to record 444XQ on my iPhone 13 but I can’t anymore after update 1.1
Anyone has experienced this? Are they reserving the 444XQ format for a larger phone?
Prores 4444 was removed in update 1.1. Based on my testings it did not seem to be real 4444, so recording in the codec was not achieving any benefits. Maybe it could come back in a later version if they do figure out a way to record true 4444. But for now it was just a large file with no real benefit over 422 HQ
@@TLDR_filmmaker understood. Thank you TLDR!
APPLE CAMERA APP can change lens smoothly while recording
Yes it can. I hope Blackmagic will find a way to use that feature in their own app in the next update!
Juice isn’t worth the squeeze, the 422HQ overheats my phone with my Kondor Blue. Yikes.
Oh my
@@TLDR_filmmakerIf you’re making a movie for Amazon or the like, it’s worth it, but for 99% of uses cases, juice ain’t worth the squeeze.
share log footage please
I unfortunately do not have the means and bandwidth to do that at this time. I do believe some other youtubers have files available on their servers for people to download.
Can you get more from the highlight/shadows in another codec option when editing?
Not necessarily. Check my Dynamic Range Video here: th-cam.com/video/PJHk4QXau2o/w-d-xo.html
The other Color Spaces come in at 12-13 stops in my tests when you expose for the highlights. But the image is over sharpened where as Apple LOG is more filmic.
I have a Panasonic camera and I shoot both ProRes and H.265. To be honest I can't really tell the difference, unless I go pixel peeping like you did. And then I would have to look really hard.
However I much prefer editing and grading ProRes on my Windows computer using Davinci Resolve software simply because its less painful on my computer when editing. My computer can edit h.265 on a 4k timeline but why make it suffer when I don't have to?
The majority of stuff I shoot is in h.265 and occasional projects are filmed with my Ninja V and ProRes. But for a hobbyist like myself who just publishes to TH-cam, the end result is the same and I like both.
As a side note, since I learned about the correct use of Colour Management on Davinci Resolve, I no longer use Utility LUTs to convert my LOG footage but I still tinker with artistic LUTs from time to time.
At the end of the day ProRes is great for production work where the files is getting exported out to ProRes multiple times as it works its way to the final export. For the rest of us h.264 and HEVC is perfectly fine. My older computer definitely chugged with HEVC, but glad that all the newer macs have been handling them very well with hardware acceleration.
I need to learn more on the color management front for Davinci. I haven't dived deep enough into yet. Specifically I want to understand the ACES workflow.
@@TLDR_filmmaker If you want to learn about Davinci then I highly recommend the channels by Darren Mostyn, Cullen Kelly, Team2Films and MrAlexTech.
As with everything on TH-cam there are many channels who pretend to know what they are talking about and there are those that give downright bad or stupid advice that confuses you.
Darren and Cullen are professional colourists who are at the top of their game. Team2Films is an upcoming channel with professionals who give solid grading advice.
And Alex is excellent for editing tips and advice that will save you hours if not days trying to work out yourself.
As for workflow and Colour Management, I use the Davinci Wide Gammut colour management. Never used ACES but I know enough to know that it works in a much similar way with a wide colour space to play in.
I really enjoy watching your channel.😀
Its less laggy with the PRORES than the H265 on Davinci ??
Really ?
@@flexflex5853 ProRes and h265 are two different codecs with two different purposes or intentions.
One codec is intended to capture information with the least compression as possible. This includes capturing and recording every single frame. So if you shot 25fps then the capture codec would record 25fps. This creates high bitrates and massive files.
The other Codec is intended primarily for delivery so that it can be viewed over the internet and be stored on small storage devices. It achieves this by compressing and throwing away information that it can get away with but still retain a reasonable viewing experience. If you filmed a subject at 25fps then the codec would normally only capture every fourth frame and use maths to fill in the missing frames. This creates considerably smaller file sizes with considerably smaller bit rates.
When it comes to editing these two different codecs then two things happen. If you edit with ProRes and you make a cut in your footage the computer or editing software has every single frame which has as little compression as possible to use and requires very little computing power to perform that task.
However with a highly compressed Codec like h265 your computer has to decompress that footage by calculating and filling in the missing frames just to look at it. And then, when you make a cut the computer or editing software has to recalculate and remember each missing frame every time. This takes considerable computing power to perform. And on older, more slower computers, this is the reason they are so laggy and the main reason for stuttering.
ProRes was never intended for delivering to the client or TH-cam. It was intended for editing and capturing detail.
H265 was never intended for editing. It was intended for being consumed on iPads, phones and the internet.
So, yes, ProRes is less laggy than h265 on Davinci. Many professionals convert h265 into ProRes just so that they can have an easier time when editing and more importantly colour grading in Resolve. They turn the h265 into high quality proxies which are ProRes so that they can edit and their computers work faster and better.
I know it’s been three months, but have you ever tried proxies? I want to try using H.265 Log with Premiere, but creating proxies from VFR footage (even ProRes 422) always seems to cause it to lag or sometimes BSOD.
Один вопрос зачем
Зачем снимать с помощью AppleLOG или с помощью Prores/HEVC?