Joe Biden doesn’t seem capable of any of those things if you think of it like that lol Can’t pay attention because he’s 80 Can’t speak properly because his mind wanders Can’t keep chaos at bay because his solution is to make the friendliest decisions his advisors can come up with
I wish the ancient Mesopotamian storytellers could hear this. It would make them proud to know their work would be explained millennia later, and with such a level of respect and insight.
Okay, but who are the Mesopotamians? The Sumerians? Akkadians? Elamites? And in which period? None of these peoples called themselves "Mesopotamians". (That's a construction we came up with somewhere late 19th early 20th century, or perhaps somewhat before that).
@@jjetson403 lmao yeah they might be mind their belief system was chalked up to a toddler adult’s explanation of the world... or maybe they’d be satisfied by the summary lol
My People (Mesopotamian) don’t teach us about that history ! Instead we are learning about who invade us and why that kind of minor stuff Why ? Because it’s what got messenger Abrahim out from his country and went to desert But I think myths are great for imaginations And to know more about our ancestors
@Shibumi Nope, Mesopotamians were the people who lived between the two rivers Tigres and Euphrates. It is literally what the word ''Mesopotamia'' means; between that two rivers. That makes it Iraq today. Elamites are the people who lived in Southwest Iran. So back to the ''who were the Mesopotamians?'' question: it is the Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians. Also, it wasn't a millennia ago. J.B. Peterson is talking about the first-ever recorded mythology is 6 millennia ago.
I was thinking about that in the context of Greek mythology (since i am Greek). So, in a sense, the titanomachy (gods vs titans) is an archetype of good versus evil lets say. In the end, it comes down to Typhon vs Zeus. Typhon is this massive terrifying creature that has all the other gods fleeing in terror, except for Zeus, who masters the courage to confront the darkness which is Typhon. However, he gets overwhelmed by the darkness and is therefore incapacitated ( Typhon removes his nerves, making him unable to move). So when darkness overwhelms you, you are truly useless. But after Zeus gets back on his feet (with the aid of Hermes who steals the nerves and places them back in Zeus's body) he bombards Typhon with the thunder, chasing him all the way down to Italy and burrying him under Etna (an active volcano). And thus Zeus becomes King of the Gods. And the King of the gods is the god of thunder. And what does the thunder/lightning do? It shines light into darkness. It chases darkness away, illuminates things, it draws your attention, gets you to look at it (either due to the light or the loud sound), its the weapon used to defeat darkness/Typhon. There could be deeper meaning to the story but thats just roughly how i see it.
Nasus The Curator Of Sands Wow man thanks for the insight! The same idea is there, the thunder idea of illuminating what's unknown and chaos makes a lot if sense. I suppose that it's a plot so ancient and important for the continuation of civilizations that virtually all myths and stories from religions have to make reference to. I mean to the idea of chaos and order and the hero.
There is also parallels to Thor's(God of Thunder) fight against JÖRMUNGANDR, the world serpent and also what Peterson mentions here about "capturing" the darkness. He baits the monster, capturing it and then kills it. The same happens to Fenrir, being bound
Incorrect; it should be that which perceives with utmost clarity and can keep EVIL at bay by the delicate melding of chaos and order. Conservatives love to think they are the only barrier between the world and evil when really they are afraid of the chaos required to maintain an absolutely untarnished perception; and in so doing become as Osiris was described in the video "Egyptian Gods" on this channel; willfully blind.
I would recommend a lecture by someone who specializes in the field- look up Andrew George, he is a professional Assyriologist and has some lecture on TH-cam. Peterson doesn't know what he is talking about here.
@@cmtat1976 I have a degree in history and in linguistics, with my focus being Mesopotamian languages and history. I am intimately familiar with Enuma Elish as well as their other myths and have read them in the original languages, as well as having read scholarship on the issue.
After hearing about the Enuma Elish, it's not too hard to find lots of material about it. The issue is first hearing about it. Glad you enjoyed it though!
The reason that you don't hear about this on the net or in the majority of universities is because this is outside the realm of most people's understanding. You are not supposed to know about the archaeological historical history of the earth that would make you a danger to the oligarchy and the pantheon of demonic fallen angels and their children the Nephilim. See Genesis 6:4 have fun with some Chuck Missler and look into the pathology of giants. I.e. the Smithsonian cover up.
@@deefazhion It doesn't matter what qualifications @miles or peters have. It's about citing sources. perters isn't citing any. he's making connections as he sees fit. If you listen to actual historians, everything is framed as a leading theory or one of several possibilities, with clear distinctions of what's known (little), what's likely and the archaeological evidence to back the theories. this guy just spouts every connection as if it's a historical fact and as if he's reading the minds of the gods. even, if by accident he's right about some of these things, there's little reason to believe him till he cites some proper sources.
I could listen to Mr Peterson all day long... For someone with attention and learning difficulties, that's saying something! It's the articulation and explanatory embodiment he creates. ;-)
Marduk reminds me a lot of The All-Father Odin Marduk can speak the magic words. Odin can speak the magic of the runes Marduk has eyes all around his head, allowing him to see more than others. Odin has one eye, yet he can see far more than others. Marduk is king of the gods. Odin is king of the Norse gods Marduk slain Tiamat, a primordial being and used pieces of him to make the world. Odin and his brothers slain Ymir, also a primordial being and creates Midgard from his body
As Dr. Peterson has said before, the god from one set of gods who arises as dominant will be very similar to the god from another set of gods who arises as dominant. They represent civilizations ideas, views and values, and due to human similarity, they won't be that different. Many parallels can also be drawn between the respective 'king of gods' of most if not all mythologies.
Ymir isn't really primordial he doesn't embody any aspect of our nature he is simply an old being. Also Odin isn't king as much as lord in the sense of zues and marduck and such. He is simply oldest and most respected for his wisdom. He isn't a formal leader he is simply remaining from the beings who defeated ymir. Yet you have some very good points. A lot of the aspects that garner respect for him are embodied in marduck. I encourage you to check out Jordan's other lecture. In which he describes the beings who always inevitably top the dominance hierarchy as being remarkably similar. Swing as humans always after long consideration come to a similar conclusion of why we are dominant and what aspects that we have are so important.
@@Cmusko427 Primordial being simply means that it is one of the first beings to exist, and Ymir is literally the first being to exist in the Norse cosmogony. Odin is, in fact, the king of the Æsir, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about here.
All of the pagan myths and lore have a common origin in the first civilization of Ancient Sumeria (Ancient Mesopotamia). They have changed over the years in different locations and languages but at essence are talking about the same deities and the same historical happenings. Some of these are based on stories that were a prefiguring of the coming of Christ, passed to different civilizations such as the Persians from the ancient prophets. Odin sacrificed himself by hanging from a tree. Thor slays Jormungandr... the God of the Bible slays the Leviathan etc. Everyone at one time worshipped the One God but after the "fall" began to take up all sorts of things as God, the stars, the animals, other humans etc. and made statues to them, or rather this was the fall. Every pagan tradition has the idea of an unspeakable "God above the gods" or at the very least a god that is chief among them. This gets interesting for me because I sympathize with nationalist circles and many of these nationalists try to argue that we should not be Christian as Christianity is a semitic religion from the middle east, they instead cling to Nordic paganism or the like (which not much is actually known about). I try to explain to them that if you go back far enough even the Nordic myths find an origin in the middle east, as does humanity.
At 10:28, the difference between humans and animals is not deception. Animals use deception all the time through the use of camouflage. The difference between humans and animals is the ability to Conceptualize. With that we can create, and overcome, instinct, and our limitations.
Peterson's views on stories has made me realise the significance and maintained relevance of them today. Gilgamesh: "He who saw the abyss" Beowulf: Overcoming the child, the mother and the dragon St. George: The bravery and potential ultimate self sacrifice to face the dragon which requires sacrifices to be appeased
3:05 a hitmarker sound plays...idk if its SFX or the actual lapel mic lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Marduk in the subtities gets to be mark Martic, Mark and Marck. In the end of the speech he says "someone else should be emperor". Thank you forr emphasizing the idea algorythm text ;)
I love the parallels here in other culture with regard to the Mesopotamian gods making their home on the deadbody of Absu: the great-he-she called Atum in Egypt who disintegrates into the gods; the dismemberment of Ymir by the gods; the sacrifice of Purusha to Purusha himself to create all beings.
It’s quite interesting. The Mesopotamian gods have persisted through culture and time. They have names in Greek, Roman, Norse, and other cultures. What hit me the hardest was how Jordan Peterson discussed how war & love (lust) are gods because they are undying and control you. It’s no different from today where we think secular culture is the predominant mental process or belief. If you live your life ruled by anger and violence or passion and lust (among the various emotions), it’s no different from how ancient people worshipped “gods” (rituals aside). You have to serve somebody, right?
As a descendant of Mesopotamia (I'm Assyrian) I'm very proud hearing JP speaking about my former empire, always interesting to hear about your heritage, especially when it is JP who is speaking!
10:30 Explain to me how humans are the only creatures capable of deception. Lots of animals have quite frankly mastered it and some predators toy with their prey or kill for sport.
I've only known of Jordan Peterson for a month and already parts of my life are being illuminated. His words are helping me get my life together. JP for president 2020.
I advise you to watch the vid where he splits his Psyche in half or something like that, just type in Jordan splits his Psyche and it should be the first one you will not regret it and have a nice 2020
Although I found this interpretation interesting, I don't agree with much of this analysis. For example, the gods did not kill Apsu because they didn't understand their dependence on him. They killed him because he planned to kill them. Apsu was not a god of culture. He was an elemental being who simply wanted to sleep. Also, the net had nothing to do with encapsulating and forming a conceptualization. The net was a way of tying the Enuma Elish myth to the earlier myth of the Anzu bird (that followed the same theme) --a net is used to capture birds.The Enuma Elish was not a philosophical myth, nor was it the product of subconscious insight. It was a contrived political myth used to drive home the message of the need to remain loyal to the Babylonian king (Marduk's earthly manifestation).
Thanks for cutting this up. It's so interesting to see it all strung together without Peterson's psychological analysis. I've never viewed his lectures this way. Thank You! And Thank You Jordan Peterson for providing such a well-articulated demonstration of the Mesopotamian Mythology.
The way he explains everything in such a manner , so comprehensibly and easy . I could listen to him for long time . All teachers, professors should be like that .
A simple and straightforward video title. Imagine that. You deserve a like. And it looks like I've already subscribed to you. I guess i knew what I was doing.
I always wondered, HOW the heck people came up with not only one unspecific god, but with a full Pantheon. I suspected the (maybe unintentional) consumption of psychoactive herbs and other plants, buts this three-point-characterisation is just brilliant. Know this and you "know" the source of (virtually) every ancient religion.
This is the Babylonian version of the Sumerian creation story. Marduk was their dom8nant deity. Other cultures in Mesopotamia had other gods defeating teaimat
It's crazy that these ideas proliferated in every culture in some shape or form. The egyptians had the incarnation of horus as their pharao (horus conceptionalized as the all-seing eye) and acted out the retrieval of the eye through their temple ceremonies. Then with the mesopotamiens it was Marduk as their king who was LITERALLY all-seing because he had eyes all around his head. These strange analogies really make me believe in Peterson's interpretations. There is some strange wisdom within these old stories...
It still boggles my mind how many people come to these videos with the express purpose of typing negative comments with little to no basis. They are clearly premeditated and not the words of someone accidentally stumbling upon something they disagree with.
The concept of malevolence and deceit exists in all animals but the only difference is humans can act out these voluntarily and with malicious intent thats premeditated. All other animals act out these as a necessity at times and/or without any intent/accidentally.
For those that are curious: this is the enuma elish. Apsu is killed by the wisest god, Enki, bc Apsu was going to kill them for making a racket and disturbing his rest. Not really a parable of killing culture as it is a parable of the process of creation. The younger gods were a noisy and chaotic, disturbing the established order. When the established order (eg apsu) tries to subdue them they kill it in order to survive. Tiamat raises the forces of chaos to gain vengence but the gods put her down, and in the process grow up to become the new rulers of order. Creation is a tumultuous process whereby change brings destruction to make way for new things. It literally transforms the old order into a new one as we see in the story.
I'm very impressed very few Scholars have the wherewithal to try to take on the Mesopotamian Scrolls and the Babylonian cuneiform Wheels. This makes you A Cut Above. My hat goes off to you sir. Carry on.
You should not underestimate the ancient Sumerians! You may not be sure that notions of the shape of the earth belong to ancient cultures or this is mixed with recent childhood misconceptions.
"If the emperor is a good Marduk, he gets to be emperor. If not, someone else gets to be emperor." Sounds a lot like the Mandate of Heaven doctrine that Imperial China used for their emperor.
JP believes we are or posses "a host of personalities" (spirits) of conflicting desires. "Either we make Gods in those images and we are controlled by them, or they who are in us make us in their image." Oh boy how he is deceived by the dragon.
I'm sorry, I usually agree with everything Peterson says but, "humans are the only creatures capable of deception and malevolence" is the line of all lines. If he really believes that he might be wrapped a little too deeply in the field of psychology and a bit out of touch with the physical world around him. Animals do horrible things to each other, particularly to babies... and I'm not even talking about for food I mean just for sport. Pretty much any animal with a somewhat complex social structure commits HORRIBLE atrocities and it doesn't take much prolonged observation at all to see it. Deception is something that even insects are capable of. I'm not joking around spiders can use deception quite well. There is a type of spider that knows to pluck the web of other spiders to bring them in for an ambush. Is that not deception? Peterson might write this off as them just following their natural instinct... is that not what humans are doing? Are we not all play things of the gods?
Humans are animals of deception. What separates us from the other animals is that we deceive OURSELVES. This is because we are capable of complex thought. Thus, we can convince ourselves that we are something we are not. We constantly deceive ourselves.
Dear sir I follow a lot of your lectures, but unfortunately just as they are getting juicy they come to a sudden end. Many of your utube upload are 10 15 min duration which I believe r edited for the complex subjects where can I get the detailed lectures comprehensively dealing with the subject matter. I am from India.
10:24. "...well what's the difference between human beings and every other element of being, and the answer to that is; human beings can deceive you..." Deception is a common practice in animals and even other forms of life. Deception occurs in various forms ranging from passive/involuntary to active/intentional. Forms of deception include mimicry, camoflage, deimatic displays, tactical deception, distraction/diversion, and feigning injury or death. Deception plays significant roles in feeding and avoiding predators as well as in mating for numerous species. Several types of deceptive practices suggest theory of mind being well utilized. You are deceiving yourself if you believe deceit is a uniquely human trait
Ben Griffin “We are capable of voluntary deception. We are capable of malevolence” I believe JP is saying that humans can deceive out of conscious ill-intent. While it is true that other animals deceive, these are no more than evolutionary adaptations for survival as opposed to conscious, malevolent decisions to undermine others
@@ikerd9661 You wrote: "...While it is true that other animals deceive, these are no more than evolutionary adaptations for survival as opposed to conscious, malevolent decisions to undermine others..." Why do you think your own skills that allow for 'conscious, malevolent decisions to undermine others' is not also 'no more than an evolutionary adaptation for survival'? . The deceptions orchestrated by chimps and crows and even some invertebrates are startlingly malevolent and undeniably intentional.
Ben Griffin what is that separates us from animals ? I’ve heard it said that it’s art but birds of paradise and puffer fish create beautiful nest. I’ve read it’s that we have aspirations but what wolf wouldn’t dream of being an alpha ? Is it spiritually?
@@tomxxx9655 I don't have any insight into the dreams of any particular wolf, much less of what all wolves might or might not dream. Despite that, I'm not so sure humans are so set apart from animals as most of us have been indoctrinated to believe. Sure, there are distinctions, all the more apparent from our human eyes (since it would be evolutionarily hurtful if we were to become to egalitarian and fail to make the distinction between our species and another when choosing a mate). Yet there are stark distinctions between other various forms of life. Neither the phenotypic nor genotypic differences between ourselves and the species evolutionarily closest to us are anywhere nearly as vast as the typical distance between any two random species. We are well within the pack. Of those various distinctions that mark our species, some might be universal to homo sapien sapien, i.e. sine qua non. Others might be exclusive to homo sapien sapien but not universal. An example of the former might be the ability to use language or developing towards that ability. That suggests that I wouldn't consider someone fully a homo sapien sapien if they couldn't use language and had no hope of ever doing so. To me, use of language is a necessary part of what it means to be human. An example of the latter might be the ability to read. This skill a book proficiently and discuss the themes and ideas therein. While I believe this skill is a good indicator that something is homo sapien sapien, I would not say that someone who could not do this is definitely not. As for spirituality, there are large portions of the population who are not spiritual. Are you willing to claim these people are not humans?
Ben Griffin i used to watch my Alsatian cross sheepdog dream, sometimes he’d growl or his legs would go like he’s running in his sleep , that’s why I wonder what wolves dream of and don’t rule out them having aspirations. In my my opinion and it’s not based on any knowledge it’s just what I choose to think is that I can’t rule out spirituality in say, elephants ? We just don’t know. The closest thing anyone’s said to me as to what makes us unique is what you said about reading but like you said some people can’t read. So I still don’t know.
As a person who is heavily influenced by postmodern philosophy, this is amazing. He flippantly dismisses postmodernism, then proceeds to go down a thought process which stops about 1 paragraph away from Foucault, Derrida, Heidegger, etc. He sees the metaphysical transformation at work; the determination that the highest and most central aspect of the human organism is the organ of language. The next logical questions, which he doesn't ask, would then be; how does this determination reflect modalities of power, and how does this monopolization of linguistic clarity come to silence embodied forms of knowledge and voices of dissent? If language is determined to be the highest god, then how do the particularities of certain language games play a role in the consolidation of inter-personal and intra-personal power structures?
He says one thing in this talk that is absolutely patently false. Human beings are NOT the only animals that are capable of voluntary deception. This is quite common throughout the animal world
He was predicted 2020. This is out of head of everything. Everything collapsed as Mother Earth is sick and the only way to make Her healthy again is to come together, talk together and stick together. The lesson God wanted us to learn for so much times.
Incase some of you are interested in the story google enuma eliš/elish its basically the babylonian way to underline their earthly superiority withing the world of goods (marduk is the city god of babylon)
I just thought of the fact that Kingu sounds alot like Godzilla. Godzilla and the Kaiju basically are the same archetypes of Kingu and the chimera that Peterson speaks of. At the Command of Tiamat who is mother nature they will wipe out her opposition. In the case of the Kaiju,humanity is the opposition who have taken too much from mother earth for too long.
so would typhoon in Greek mythology be Satan as he is the father of monsters where as Hades ruled the underworld but was not evil like Lucifer is portrayed
Also, the interlinking stories of Gods (Or heroes) of Order defeating the Dragons of Chaos i.e. Zeus killing Typhon, Marduk killing Tiamat, God (or Baal Hadad) killing Leviathan, Thor killing Jörmungandr and Ragnar Lodbrok killing Oroborous
If there is one person I could ever wish to talk to it would be you, I can translate through life through what I have lived. And I know exactly what you say every time. I'm a student that isn't yours that can completely understand you
interesting how this class follows the story he tells - Peterson; order , students; chaos ...particularly certain represented ideologies there ,,, order will rise out of this chaos, but how much harm will happen until then?
JFK made it to the highest office, then eventually spoke with his mouth that he was going to cut the CIA into a thousand pieces. Then somebody killed him, sadly. I'm obviously skipping several story points. Anyway, this lecture reminded me of JFK for some reason.
"Why should you be king?
Because you pay attention, speak properly and keep chaos at bay"
Think about that the next time you vote.
Joe Biden doesn’t seem capable of any of those things if you think of it like that lol
Can’t pay attention because he’s 80
Can’t speak properly because his mind wanders
Can’t keep chaos at bay because his solution is to make the friendliest decisions his advisors can come up with
@@roddydykes7053 i dont think many presidents in the last few decades have been very good marduks
The things he's saying are so important, he's got to have two mics
One mic is called abzu, and the other Tiamut
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One of the mics is for a personal recording of his lectures for him to take notes on
double the importance double the mic
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I wish the ancient Mesopotamian storytellers could hear this. It would make them proud to know their work would be explained millennia later, and with such a level of respect and insight.
Or they'd be upset to find themselves mansplained when they left perfectly legible clay tablets 😆
Okay, but who are the Mesopotamians? The Sumerians? Akkadians? Elamites? And in which period? None of these peoples called themselves "Mesopotamians". (That's a construction we came up with somewhere late 19th early 20th century, or perhaps somewhat before that).
@@jjetson403 lmao yeah they might be mind their belief system was chalked up to a toddler adult’s explanation of the world... or maybe they’d be satisfied by the summary lol
My People (Mesopotamian) don’t teach us about that history !
Instead we are learning about who invade us and why that kind of minor stuff
Why ? Because it’s what got messenger Abrahim out from his country and went to desert
But I think myths are great for imaginations
And to know more about our ancestors
@Shibumi Nope, Mesopotamians were the people who lived between the two rivers Tigres and Euphrates. It is literally what the word ''Mesopotamia'' means; between that two rivers. That makes it Iraq today. Elamites are the people who lived in Southwest Iran. So back to the ''who were the Mesopotamians?'' question: it is the Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians. Also, it wasn't a millennia ago. J.B. Peterson is talking about the first-ever recorded mythology is 6 millennia ago.
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I was thinking about that in the context of Greek mythology (since i am Greek). So, in a sense, the titanomachy (gods vs titans) is an archetype of good versus evil lets say. In the end, it comes down to Typhon vs Zeus. Typhon is this massive terrifying creature that has all the other gods fleeing in terror, except for Zeus, who masters the courage to confront the darkness which is Typhon. However, he gets overwhelmed by the darkness and is therefore incapacitated ( Typhon removes his nerves, making him unable to move). So when darkness overwhelms you, you are truly useless. But after Zeus gets back on his feet (with the aid of Hermes who steals the nerves and places them back in Zeus's body) he bombards Typhon with the thunder, chasing him all the way down to Italy and burrying him under Etna (an active volcano). And thus Zeus becomes King of the Gods. And the King of the gods is the god of thunder. And what does the thunder/lightning do? It shines light into darkness. It chases darkness away, illuminates things, it draws your attention, gets you to look at it (either due to the light or the loud sound), its the weapon used to defeat darkness/Typhon. There could be deeper meaning to the story but thats just roughly how i see it.
Nasus The Curator Of Sands Wow man thanks for the insight! The same idea is there, the thunder idea of illuminating what's unknown and chaos makes a lot if sense. I suppose that it's a plot so ancient and important for the continuation of civilizations that virtually all myths and stories from religions have to make reference to. I mean to the idea of chaos and order and the hero.
Wow. That's remarkably insightful. Thanks for sharing that!
Nasus The Curator Of Sands great point
Great insight! Also, Odin, Thor.... and assuredly many others around the globe.
There is also parallels to Thor's(God of Thunder) fight against JÖRMUNGANDR, the world serpent and also what Peterson mentions here about "capturing" the darkness. He baits the monster, capturing it and then kills it. The same happens to Fenrir, being bound
"What should be sovereign and why?" That which perceives and describes and keeps chaos at bay.
Brilliant.
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Agreed.
davidiclineage.wordpress.com/2019/09/13/davidic-legend-redux/
Incorrect; it should be that which perceives with utmost clarity and can keep EVIL at bay by the delicate melding of chaos and order. Conservatives love to think they are the only barrier between the world and evil when really they are afraid of the chaos required to maintain an absolutely untarnished perception; and in so doing become as Osiris was described in the video "Egyptian Gods" on this channel; willfully blind.
this sounded really cool and deep in your head didn't it
Ah thats why crowns have jewels all the way around that look like eyes.
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that's fucking deep dude.
Ahh... brilliant
wtf I just wanted to learn about Mesopotamian Gods and suddenly JPeterson is here...
PedroTricking studying and understanding the religion of ancient cultures is critical to the physiological mind of those people
same!
I would recommend a lecture by someone who specializes in the field- look up Andrew George, he is a professional Assyriologist and has some lecture on TH-cam. Peterson doesn't know what he is talking about here.
@@CadaverSplatter Glad we have an expert on what experts to go to. You are clearly doing the work of Marduk.
@@cmtat1976 I have a degree in history and in linguistics, with my focus being Mesopotamian languages and history. I am intimately familiar with Enuma Elish as well as their other myths and have read them in the original languages, as well as having read scholarship on the issue.
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Amazing
"These gods, they're gods, eh?" (5:22) Does it get any more Canadian?
Is this a machine learning TH-cam account?
Except he needed to day that these gods are gowun oot and aboot.
@@AnimeSlaps Well it's learning quite good, eh?
@Kkkk Bbbb It was pretty Canadian (speaking from a Canadian myself)
I could listen to Mr Peterson all day long..
Him and terence mckenna
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magnificent. But Jesus Christ, howcome I never learned me none of this stuff from the google before?
After hearing about the Enuma Elish, it's not too hard to find lots of material about it. The issue is first hearing about it. Glad you enjoyed it though!
The reason that you don't hear about this on the net or in the majority of universities is because this is outside the realm of most people's understanding. You are not supposed to know about the archaeological historical history of the earth that would make you a danger to the oligarchy and the pantheon of demonic fallen angels and their children the Nephilim. See Genesis 6:4 have fun with some Chuck Missler and look into the pathology of giants. I.e. the Smithsonian cover up.
Because Christians don't want to hear the true mythological origins of the Bible and their god.
@@deefazhion It doesn't matter what qualifications @miles or peters have. It's about citing sources. perters isn't citing any. he's making connections as he sees fit. If you listen to actual historians, everything is framed as a leading theory or one of several possibilities, with clear distinctions of what's known (little), what's likely and the archaeological evidence to back the theories. this guy just spouts every connection as if it's a historical fact and as if he's reading the minds of the gods. even, if by accident he's right about some of these things, there's little reason to believe him till he cites some proper sources.
@@dfw-k6z interesting, so Without footnotes. It's irrelevant. Come on.
Jordan Peterson should analyze the opening of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog.
Such a great teacher! It's great that he focuses on one student after another. If that doesn't get your attention I'm not sure what will :-)
Jordan Peterson is a master of expression. He can explain things so well you follow along perfectly and have those moments of sublime understanding.
I allways think I've heard everything I have to hear from this guy and then there's one more thing that's like oh maybe that'll be interesting
I could listen to Mr Peterson all day long... For someone with attention and learning difficulties, that's saying something! It's the articulation and explanatory embodiment he creates. ;-)
I can only say that I'm mindblown
get wrecked son and rip bongs lol, JP is awesome and is so metaphysical mythology, a good life to you
I love this so much. Ancient religion and civilization fascinate me, and seeing him analyze the evolution psychologically is awesome.
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Marduk reminds me a lot of The All-Father Odin
Marduk can speak the magic words. Odin can speak the magic of the runes
Marduk has eyes all around his head, allowing him to see more than others. Odin has one eye, yet he can see far more than others.
Marduk is king of the gods. Odin is king of the Norse gods
Marduk slain Tiamat, a primordial being and used pieces of him to make the world. Odin and his brothers slain Ymir, also a primordial being and creates Midgard from his body
As Dr. Peterson has said before, the god from one set of gods who arises as dominant will be very similar to the god from another set of gods who arises as dominant. They represent civilizations ideas, views and values, and due to human similarity, they won't be that different. Many parallels can also be drawn between the respective 'king of gods' of most if not all mythologies.
Ymir isn't really primordial he doesn't embody any aspect of our nature he is simply an old being. Also Odin isn't king as much as lord in the sense of zues and marduck and such. He is simply oldest and most respected for his wisdom. He isn't a formal leader he is simply remaining from the beings who defeated ymir.
Yet you have some very good points. A lot of the aspects that garner respect for him are embodied in marduck. I encourage you to check out Jordan's other lecture. In which he describes the beings who always inevitably top the dominance hierarchy as being remarkably similar. Swing as humans always after long consideration come to a similar conclusion of why we are dominant and what aspects that we have are so important.
madcat gaming yeah, I listened to hat one before this.
@@Cmusko427 Primordial being simply means that it is one of the first beings to exist, and Ymir is literally the first being to exist in the Norse cosmogony. Odin is, in fact, the king of the Æsir, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about here.
All of the pagan myths and lore have a common origin in the first civilization of Ancient Sumeria (Ancient Mesopotamia). They have changed over the years in different locations and languages but at essence are talking about the same deities and the same historical happenings. Some of these are based on stories that were a prefiguring of the coming of Christ, passed to different civilizations such as the Persians from the ancient prophets. Odin sacrificed himself by hanging from a tree. Thor slays Jormungandr... the God of the Bible slays the Leviathan etc. Everyone at one time worshipped the One God but after the "fall" began to take up all sorts of things as God, the stars, the animals, other humans etc. and made statues to them, or rather this was the fall. Every pagan tradition has the idea of an unspeakable "God above the gods" or at the very least a god that is chief among them.
This gets interesting for me because I sympathize with nationalist circles and many of these nationalists try to argue that we should not be Christian as Christianity is a semitic religion from the middle east, they instead cling to Nordic paganism or the like (which not much is actually known about). I try to explain to them that if you go back far enough even the Nordic myths find an origin in the middle east, as does humanity.
At 10:28, the difference between humans and animals is not deception. Animals use deception all the time through the use of camouflage. The difference between humans and animals is the ability to Conceptualize. With that we can create, and overcome, instinct, and our limitations.
Bro how many thumbnails have JP with his arms spread out is so funny
Peterson's views on stories has made me realise the significance and maintained relevance of them today.
Gilgamesh: "He who saw the abyss"
Beowulf: Overcoming the child, the mother and the dragon
St. George: The bravery and potential ultimate self sacrifice to face the dragon which requires sacrifices to be appeased
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Greatings from Mesopotamia
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a hitmarker sound plays...idk if its SFX or the actual lapel mic lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Been looking for a video like this my whole life
Marduk in the subtities gets to be mark Martic, Mark and Marck. In the end of the speech he says "someone else should be emperor". Thank you forr emphasizing the idea algorythm text ;)
this guy blows my mind every time
I love the parallels here in other culture with regard to the Mesopotamian gods making their home on the deadbody of Absu: the great-he-she called Atum in Egypt who disintegrates into the gods; the dismemberment of Ymir by the gods; the sacrifice of Purusha to Purusha himself to create all beings.
You're a life saver. Thanks for this work man
It’s quite interesting. The Mesopotamian gods have persisted through culture and time. They have names in Greek, Roman, Norse, and other cultures.
What hit me the hardest was how Jordan Peterson discussed how war & love (lust) are gods because they are undying and control you. It’s no different from today where we think secular culture is the predominant mental process or belief.
If you live your life ruled by anger and violence or passion and lust (among the various emotions), it’s no different from how ancient people worshipped “gods” (rituals aside).
You have to serve somebody, right?
As a descendant of Mesopotamia (I'm Assyrian) I'm very proud hearing JP speaking about my former empire, always interesting to hear about your heritage, especially when it is JP who is speaking!
He also speaks about the sin of pride.
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That is totally something else
Simon M As a Assyrian you should know your culture better cause what he’s saying is all bullshit he literally reinvented the story of Marduk...
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Explain to me how humans are the only creatures capable of deception. Lots of animals have quite frankly mastered it and some predators toy with their prey or kill for sport.
5:23 When you remember that he's Canadian
I've only known of Jordan Peterson for a month and already parts of my life are being illuminated. His words are helping me get my life together. JP for president 2020.
I advise you to watch the vid where he splits his Psyche in half or something like that, just type in Jordan splits his Psyche and it should be the first one you will not regret it and have a nice 2020
Prime Minister, Jordan is Canadian.
@@TheShootist Canada should just take over the US.
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Although I found this interpretation interesting, I don't agree with much of this analysis. For example, the gods did not kill Apsu because they didn't understand their dependence on him. They killed him because he planned to kill them. Apsu was not a god of culture. He was an elemental being who simply wanted to sleep. Also, the net had nothing to do with encapsulating and forming a conceptualization. The net was a way of tying the Enuma Elish myth to the earlier myth of the Anzu bird (that followed the same theme) --a net is used to capture birds.The Enuma Elish was not a philosophical myth, nor was it the product of subconscious insight. It was a contrived political myth used to drive home the message of the need to remain loyal to the Babylonian king (Marduk's earthly manifestation).
Thanks for cutting this up. It's so interesting to see it all strung together without Peterson's psychological analysis. I've never viewed his lectures this way. Thank You! And Thank You Jordan Peterson for providing such a well-articulated demonstration of the Mesopotamian Mythology.
The way he explains everything in such a manner , so comprehensibly and easy . I could listen to him for long time . All teachers, professors should be like that .
I just watched a Rick and Morty episode and suddenly ended up here.
Love your work, sir. May one ask, respectfully, do you speak Sumerian? Have you ever read the Enumma Elish in Sumerian?
I found what I am looking for. Thank you sir!
A simple and straightforward video title. Imagine that. You deserve a like. And it looks like I've already subscribed to you. I guess i knew what I was doing.
This could be a crazy sick movie
I always wondered, HOW the heck people came up with not only one unspecific god, but with a full Pantheon. I suspected the (maybe unintentional) consumption of psychoactive herbs and other plants, buts this three-point-characterisation is just brilliant. Know this and you "know" the source of (virtually) every ancient religion.
'three-point-characterisation ' - Elaborate please?
The gods were real, they were ets who came down and seeded life here.
Another thing i learned from lets talk religion was anyone could be a prophet a diviner a mouthpiece for the gods.
This is the Babylonian version of the Sumerian creation story. Marduk was their dom8nant deity. Other cultures in Mesopotamia had other gods defeating teaimat
It's crazy that these ideas proliferated in every culture in some shape or form. The egyptians had the incarnation of horus as their pharao (horus conceptionalized as the all-seing eye) and acted out the retrieval of the eye through their temple ceremonies.
Then with the mesopotamiens it was Marduk as their king who was LITERALLY all-seing because he had eyes all around his head.
These strange analogies really make me believe in Peterson's interpretations. There is some strange wisdom within these old stories...
It still boggles my mind how many people come to these videos with the express purpose of typing negative comments with little to no basis. They are clearly premeditated and not the words of someone accidentally stumbling upon something they disagree with.
That's some deep stuff, the implications are awesome and terrifying.
Why when I think of the chimeras do I picture manbearpig.
I wonder if he means humans are the only animal with the concept of malevolence or deceit
The concept of malevolence and deceit exists in all animals but the only difference is humans can act out these voluntarily and with malicious intent thats premeditated. All other animals act out these as a necessity at times and/or without any intent/accidentally.
@@arai6147 source(s): dude trust me
Why can't I find this pot? You got the goooooood stuff.
For those that are curious: this is the enuma elish. Apsu is killed by the wisest god, Enki, bc Apsu was going to kill them for making a racket and disturbing his rest. Not really a parable of killing culture as it is a parable of the process of creation. The younger gods were a noisy and chaotic, disturbing the established order. When the established order (eg apsu) tries to subdue them they kill it in order to survive. Tiamat raises the forces of chaos to gain vengence but the gods put her down, and in the process grow up to become the new rulers of order. Creation is a tumultuous process whereby change brings destruction to make way for new things. It literally transforms the old order into a new one as we see in the story.
I'm very impressed very few Scholars have the wherewithal to try to take on the Mesopotamian Scrolls and the Babylonian cuneiform Wheels. This makes you A Cut Above. My hat goes off to you sir. Carry on.
My dog is pretty good at deceiving. Maybe the dogs are smarter now than they were back then.
Or maybe people are dumber?
Same my dog barks at one door and leaves before I open it. Then comes and barks at another door
@@Hoffmanpack Your dog is barking at demons that we humans cannot sense D:
What religious idealism does jordan peterson fallow? Thanks
I just had a sudden flash of insight and realised that I REALLY need to go back an look again at that Torchwood Episode "Meat"....
Been watching these for days
You should not underestimate the ancient Sumerians! You may not be sure that notions of the shape of the earth belong to ancient cultures or this is mixed with recent childhood misconceptions.
all right, now, exam question: What was the name of the head monster?
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"If the emperor is a good Marduk, he gets to be emperor. If not, someone else gets to be emperor."
Sounds a lot like the Mandate of Heaven doctrine that Imperial China used for their emperor.
Is this the first story he was to tired to tell from the Egyptian gods story?
Yep
I just found you. And I am glad I have, information is power
I’d rather hear a lecture from an actual historian than Kermit..
I wonder what JBP thinks of Julian Jaynes.
JP believes we are or posses "a host of personalities" (spirits) of conflicting desires. "Either we make Gods in those images and we are controlled by them, or they who are in us make us in their image." Oh boy how he is deceived by the dragon.
I'm sorry, I usually agree with everything Peterson says but, "humans are the only creatures capable of deception and malevolence" is the line of all lines. If he really believes that he might be wrapped a little too deeply in the field of psychology and a bit out of touch with the physical world around him. Animals do horrible things to each other, particularly to babies... and I'm not even talking about for food I mean just for sport. Pretty much any animal with a somewhat complex social structure commits HORRIBLE atrocities and it doesn't take much prolonged observation at all to see it. Deception is something that even insects are capable of. I'm not joking around spiders can use deception quite well. There is a type of spider that knows to pluck the web of other spiders to bring them in for an ambush. Is that not deception? Peterson might write this off as them just following their natural instinct... is that not what humans are doing? Are we not all play things of the gods?
Hmmmm 🤔 interesting
Humans are animals of deception. What separates us from the other animals is that we deceive OURSELVES. This is because we are capable of complex thought. Thus, we can convince ourselves that we are something we are not. We constantly deceive ourselves.
What a fantastic teacher he is.
Dear sir I follow a lot of your lectures, but unfortunately just as they are getting juicy they come to a sudden end. Many of your utube upload are 10 15 min duration which I believe r edited for the complex subjects where can I get the detailed lectures comprehensively dealing with the subject matter. I am from India.
manoj nair I am just uploading edited clips. Please check the description for the original source.
Whanhee thanks
You're not missing anything.
WOW!😮 What a lesson! Those parallels he was making are Mind Blowing! 👏🏾🤯🤔
I would love to hear his take on the book of Job.
I love teachers who a passionate about what they do.
I am very curious what Irvin Finkle would make of this. He knows that stuff far more indepth.
I must consult the Elder Gods!
10:24. "...well what's the difference between human beings and every other element of being, and the answer to that is; human beings can deceive you..."
Deception is a common practice in animals and even other forms of life.
Deception occurs in various forms ranging from passive/involuntary to active/intentional.
Forms of deception include mimicry, camoflage, deimatic displays, tactical deception, distraction/diversion, and feigning injury or death.
Deception plays significant roles in feeding and avoiding predators as well as in mating for numerous species. Several types of deceptive practices suggest theory of mind being well utilized.
You are deceiving yourself if you believe deceit is a uniquely human trait
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“We are capable of voluntary deception. We are capable of malevolence”
I believe JP is saying that humans can deceive out of conscious ill-intent. While it is true that other animals deceive, these are no more than evolutionary adaptations for survival as opposed to conscious, malevolent decisions to undermine others
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"...While it is true that other animals deceive, these are no more than evolutionary adaptations for survival as opposed to conscious, malevolent decisions to undermine others..."
Why do you think your own skills that allow for 'conscious, malevolent decisions to undermine others' is not also 'no more than an evolutionary adaptation for survival'?
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The deceptions orchestrated by chimps and crows and even some invertebrates are startlingly malevolent and undeniably intentional.
Ben Griffin what is that separates us from animals ? I’ve heard it said that it’s art but birds of paradise and puffer fish create beautiful nest. I’ve read it’s that we have aspirations but what wolf wouldn’t dream of being an alpha ? Is it spiritually?
@@tomxxx9655 I don't have any insight into the dreams of any particular wolf, much less of what all wolves might or might not dream. Despite that, I'm not so sure humans are so set apart from animals as most of us have been indoctrinated to believe.
Sure, there are distinctions, all the more apparent from our human eyes (since it would be evolutionarily hurtful if we were to become to egalitarian and fail to make the distinction between our species and another when choosing a mate). Yet there are stark distinctions between other various forms of life. Neither the phenotypic nor genotypic differences between ourselves and the species evolutionarily closest to us are anywhere nearly as vast as the typical distance between any two random species. We are well within the pack.
Of those various distinctions that mark our species, some might be universal to homo sapien sapien, i.e. sine qua non. Others might be exclusive to homo sapien sapien but not universal.
An example of the former might be the ability to use language or developing towards that ability. That suggests that I wouldn't consider someone fully a homo sapien sapien if they couldn't use language and had no hope of ever doing so. To me, use of language is a necessary part of what it means to be human.
An example of the latter might be the ability to read. This skill a book proficiently and discuss the themes and ideas therein. While I believe this skill is a good indicator that something is homo sapien sapien, I would not say that someone who could not do this is definitely not.
As for spirituality, there are large portions of the population who are not spiritual. Are you willing to claim these people are not humans?
Ben Griffin i used to watch my Alsatian cross sheepdog dream, sometimes he’d growl or his legs would go like he’s running in his sleep , that’s why I wonder what wolves dream of and don’t rule out them having aspirations. In my my opinion and it’s not based on any knowledge it’s just what I choose to think is that I can’t rule out spirituality in say, elephants ? We just don’t know. The closest thing anyone’s said to me as to what makes us unique is what you said about reading but like you said some people can’t read. So I still don’t know.
Did the Egyptians just remix the Mesopotamian story?
Aha the title got me not gonna lie
I wish they taught this in high school. Way more intresting then 100 year old history 😅
As a person who is heavily influenced by postmodern philosophy, this is amazing. He flippantly dismisses postmodernism, then proceeds to go down a thought process which stops about 1 paragraph away from Foucault, Derrida, Heidegger, etc.
He sees the metaphysical transformation at work; the determination that the highest and most central aspect of the human organism is the organ of language. The next logical questions, which he doesn't ask, would then be; how does this determination reflect modalities of power, and how does this monopolization of linguistic clarity come to silence embodied forms of knowledge and voices of dissent? If language is determined to be the highest god, then how do the particularities of certain language games play a role in the consolidation of inter-personal and intra-personal power structures?
He says one thing in this talk that is absolutely patently false. Human beings are NOT the only animals that are capable of voluntary deception. This is quite common throughout the animal world
The only ways to change from day to night is either an eclipse or reverse the planets rotation at once ?
When does Tiamat give birth to the Chromatic dragons?
This man speaking , he truly knows more then he 's telling. Ur part of the proficy
Sooo what about Anu Enki Enlil and Nammu?
what about them?
He was predicted 2020. This is out of head of everything. Everything collapsed as Mother Earth is sick and the only way to make Her healthy again is to come together, talk together and stick together. The lesson God wanted us to learn for so much times.
Where can I watch the whole lecture??
Incase some of you are interested in the story google enuma eliš/elish its basically the babylonian way to underline their earthly superiority withing the world of goods (marduk is the city god of babylon)
And its only ONE of the god storys, it's specifically babylonian, which eventually was accepted in whole medopotamia.
It's interesting to see how the ownership of the tablet of destinies was transfered from Enlil to Marduk to Assur.
This story seems to have perfect parallels with modern Hollywood. Particularly the idea of how it lives of the corpse of the dead past.
Dome on a disk 💦
I just thought of the fact that Kingu sounds alot like Godzilla. Godzilla and the Kaiju basically are the same archetypes of Kingu and the chimera that Peterson speaks of. At the Command of Tiamat who is mother nature they will wipe out her opposition. In the case of the Kaiju,humanity is the opposition who have taken too much from mother earth for too long.
so would typhoon in Greek mythology be Satan as he is the father of monsters where as Hades ruled the underworld but was not evil like Lucifer is portrayed
Hades was the the ruler of the invisible world and pitiless guardian of the dead. A shadow Zeus.
videosofthedammed you also have Dionysus
Also, the interlinking stories of Gods (Or heroes) of Order defeating the Dragons of Chaos i.e.
Zeus killing Typhon, Marduk killing Tiamat, God (or Baal Hadad) killing Leviathan, Thor killing Jörmungandr and Ragnar Lodbrok killing Oroborous
He could also be a great pianist with this genius mind and those fine fingures 💓🤣 all my respect to you sir i have learned a lot from tour lectures
If there is one person I could ever wish to talk to it would be you, I can translate through life through what I have lived. And I know exactly what you say every time. I'm a student that isn't yours that can completely understand you
I thought he was a psychologist...how is he expert in so many fields?!
interesting how this class follows the story he tells - Peterson; order , students; chaos ...particularly certain represented ideologies there ,,, order will rise out of this chaos, but how much harm will happen until then?
shut the fuck up and go back to watching rightwing propaganda lmao
JFK made it to the highest office, then eventually spoke with his mouth that he was going to cut the CIA into a thousand pieces. Then somebody killed him, sadly. I'm obviously skipping several story points. Anyway, this lecture reminded me of JFK for some reason.
Great editing
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Anyone know the 'Fate' anime series
(based loosely of this story, with mesopotamian gods as the main characters)