Vader and Grievous were both spectacularly powerful and terrifying, but lacked something the other had: Vader more advanced cybernetics, Grievous the Force-sensitivity. Without these flaws, the two of them would have been absolutely unbeatable.
But the problem is if Vader were to have more advanced cybernetics he would probably die the suit he was given in ROTS was a fast last minute suit to support him Vader would die if palpatine prepared a better suit and would die if he tried to upgrade it plus his limbs were still damaged so advanced cybernetics would harm him to much
The cybernetics attached to Vader were intentionally meant to regulate his power.He was the most powerful force sensitive and if he has agility like greivous he would have been unstoppable and could have thrawted the Emperor's Domain.This was the best way to subjugate him.Well played Sidious, well played.
I'm leaning more towards the former than the latter. If his injuries were so critical, they could have just dunked him in a bacta tank. Grievous injuries were far worse, and he survived.
Huh. I always thought Vader never got the upgrades because of three reasons. One, he wanted to punish himself to some degree, as many Legends and even some Canon sources reveal how much he regrets everything he did but feels he's gone too far down the dark path to turn back now. Two, the pain distracts him from his other emotions like regret and sadness sometimes. And three, and most important, he wanted to be in constant pain because it would make him angry and his anger would fuel his power in the Dark Side.
Sorry, but no. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Sidious didn't have both the MONEY and RESOURCES to give Vader great cybernetics. Not to mention all the research, and knowledge they gained from building Grievous could have been implemented into Vader. Even if Vader's suit was rushed, it was too much of a technological step backwards to make sense. *My personal belief is that Sidious WANTED Vader to be in PAIN as PUNISHMENT for his failure on Mustafar. A constant, and eternal reminder that Vader failed his master on a crucial mission.*
He didn't fail his mission on Mustafar. He completely wiped out all of the separatist leaders as instructed by Sidious. He was taken by surprise by Obi Wan.
Grievous's "upgrades" involved replacing most of his organic body, including parts of it that were still functional, with cybernetics, leaving him with only a brain, two eyes and some organs. Vader could've done the same, but as you said, he was unlikely to survive the process, and while the lore is vague about how much of a person needs to be organic for them to use the Force, I find it hard to believe that being reduced to a bunch of organs, not to mention the physical and mental trauma, wouldn't have significant impacts on Vader's Force abilities. I don't think Sidious would've allowed it either, given the risks and implications. . Also, Vader was shown repairing his cybernetics (both the suit and the limbs), fixing and modifying them in his own way after his duel with Kirak Infil'a, where he obtained his lightsaber. Sidious said that "this suit is you", suggesting that Vader had embraced his new identity and didn't want to be changed into something like Grievous.
Late to the party, but this is touching on the more *practical* explanation that I was waiting to come up in this video. Research and funding can't explain the difference, they were unlimited in the Empire. But when you're entire body is replaced with machines, you can essentially build a perfect droid with an organic brain. With Vader, there was still half of a broken body attached to prosthetics. Simply in terms of design, there is more weak, organic material that needs to be accounted for in every movement. I would say their cybernetics are essentially on par with each other, but Vader underwent a renovation, instead of having the entire foundation of a body built from scratch. ...and also Sidious left a couple of weak spots to keep him in check, but those were vulnerabilities specific to Sidious's powers, so Vader wouldn't be compromised against most foes.
Yeah.i love original star wars and it burns my ass the prequals sucked.the canon stuff from other people is great and it pisses me off because it shows how bad lucas fucked up.your comment is rational.👍
I think it's moreso Palpatine wanted Vader to look intimidating, but still human and able to function as his enforcer amongst the rest of the imperial fleet. He'd be a bit out of place scuttling around with 6 legs like Greivous. Vader also had more limbs and organic tissue remaining.
Grevious cybernetics. Vader's suit was described as anything but comfortable. Grevious didn't have perfect cybernetics, but at least his everyday life wasn't hell because of his cybernetics, unlike Vader's suit.
There is another important fact. Griveus was in 90% a machine, Vader in 50% or 55%. Griveus was not force sensitive so he didn't have to worry about losing his connection to the force. Even if Vader could be rebuilt into something like Griveus a huge part of his organic body would have to be cut out, which means he'd loose almost all midichlorians and even completely disconnect from the force. That means that neither Sidious, nor Vader would want such an "improovement" to happen, no matter if it was possible or not. Vader had to be strong in the force so he needed all of his remaining body and he needed to stay in that uncomfortable suit. That, in my opinion, is the best explanation, fits both in canon and legends and doesn't contradict other factors. If I'm wrong about something, please correct me.
1. Grievous needed it to be insane since he wasn’t force sensitive and Vader didn’t really since he was the exact opposite 2. Palpatine wanted to keep him balanced between useful and submissive for the rest of his mortal life while he pursued immortality lol
This is another flaw in Disney canon where we see Darth Vader without his suit in a bacta tank. In this circumstance, Vader should have been able to greatly upgrade his cybernetics to improve his movements or to support regeneration of his actual body, which was hinted he could potentially do the the ROTJ novel. More specifically he could change his suit to not be vulnerable to Force Lightning. But he doesn't in Disney canon despite now being able to be out of his suit while in a bacta tank because...Legends was just better
In Rogue One Vader is clearly shown in a Bacta Tank without the suit. This clear canon example shows the Vader could have upgraded his suit while he was out of it had he chosen to (and he did slightly in many of the comics). I believe the true Reason Palpatine did not give Vader a Grievous esque suit was due to the fact he was fearful of him overthrowing him and knew that by placing him in a inferior suit and limiting Vader’s resources to improve it would force him to stay subjugated to the Emperor’s will.
I always assumed that the suit was meant to be a "portable dungeon" of sorts: both a suit of armor and a ball-and-chain at the same time. Therefore, Vader could be an effective enforcer amongst the Imperial military while posing little threat to Sidious, himself. Indeed, didn't Sidious intentionally make Vader's circuitry vulnerable so a quick flash of Force lightning could disable him easily?
One thing i believe play a factor is that Vader has most of his body while grievous was mainly some orgars, brain and part of his head. Meaning Grievous was a droid with a brain which allowed for him to peeform as he did. Can you immagine the strain on the remainder of Vader's body caused by jumping around as Grievous did? The union point would be put on so much stress and strain the flesh and bone would constantly break and tear. Also is true the suit was intended to be a weak point to be exploited by Sidious were Vader to betray him. Also i think the technology was available for vader to swich to another and better suit had he actually wanted to. I mean he could just say screw it and replicate the concept of grievous and just be a brain in a droid, but how would that affect his connection to the force? Probably he never did cause the plot needed him to be Vader as we know or his condition suited him in other ways. It is stated in other media that the pain and discomfort he constantly feels in his suit allows him to more effectively use the dark side by keeping him in a state of anger and despair.
My impression is that the reaction time of Grievious cybernetics at the expense of durability. Despite the materials it's made of Grievious cybernetics are relatively fragile with multiple vulnerabilities, such as torso being crushed by Mace Windu or the opening Obi-wan Kenobi found for blaster shots. Vader's cybernetics are much more durable, with exception of force lightning, Vader's suits shrugs off damage that tore limbs off of Grevious.
The flaw in you logic about why vader's cybernetic limbs are inferior simply does not hold up. With the successful implementation and testing done by Grievous, the path for near perfection was already blazed. Vader could have easily been given cybernetic limbs comparable to Grievous' and the life support systems could still be a stand alone system. There's nothing specifically stating that Vader's life support systems are in any way dependant on his current limbs. Vader was given inferior technology for the plain and simple reason that Sidious wanted him to always be less than him.
Grievous's cybernetics was more suited for speed, and Vader's for defense and attack power. Although Vader's cybernetics was not as advanced, it also had advantages since it was not visible under the suit where the dark lord's real body was and where his prostheses were. Unlike Grievous, who during the battle with Obi-Wan himself revealed his vulnerable point and died when Kenobi shot there.
Grevious wasn't able to use the force, and Vader needed the "push" of shxt cybernetics to keep him in the dark side. Also, Grevious was probably not a threat to Sidious.
That's just false.He did need the suit.But he could survive for SOME time without if he was angry enough and can survive indefinitely without in the bacta tank
Oh, come on. The answer is because in 1977, 1980, and 1983, when the original trilogy were filmed, there were more limitations on how special effects in film could depict a fully cybernetic body. If the CGI technology that existed in 2005 when Attack of the Clones was filmed had existed in 1977, Darth Vader might have had a completely different look and character design. They made Grievous look cooler and more advanced than Vader because in 2005 they had the special effects technology that allowed the filmmakers to do so. That's it. That's the reason.
Imagine how powerful Darth Vader would be if he had similar cybernetic enhancenents to general grevious if not better cybernetic enhancenents provided the time period Vader revived his, he would be a monster, given he was already on our with Darth sidious in power with his cannon cybernetic enhancenents
So Grievous's suit was planned way ahead and tested extensively beforehand while Vader's need was unforseen and thus a total rush job. As a result Grievous got a super suit while Vader's was little more than a life support system.
I'm sure if the Original Trilogy was made in the 2000's then Darth Vader's suit would have looked more advanced. It was the 80's technology what caused the OT looks more backward than the Prequel and Sequel era.
couldn't vader die very quickly after his confrontation with galen marek in tfu? his loses his helmet/mask as well as well as being heavily damage. is there any solid backstory other than plot armor?
It's difficult to breathe without the mask, but getting electrocuted when he tossed SIdeous down the shaft (along with shorting out his iron lung) is what finished him.
Marek did not finish him off because he saw human emotions in Vader's opened eye - pain and fatigue. He realized that revenge on the teacher and not Sidious would not bring Marek satisfaction. Moreover, he was afraid to switch to the dark side of the force after seeing what it could lead to with the example of Vader.
Shocking.....that essence Transfer to a perfect cybernetic body tech wasn't availablr; Dr Ford from WestWorld knows how. . Or that the essence transfer technique spoken of by Darth Bane wasn't an option.
I have a great what if story forget to do what if Darth Maul had been successful at unlocking the world between worlds at the Malicore temple. And killing Darth Sidious before he came to power.
This makes sense but we see Vader in bacta tanks completely removed from his suit plenty of times so why couldn't they design a better suit even if it took years then just put him in his new suit when its ready 😕
So, *Project Grievous* was successful because of daily scrums, exhaustive quality testing, frequent bug fixes and regular upgrades. On the other hand, *Project Vader* failed due to poor management, insufficient requirements gathering, rushed deadlines, no QA (😲😲) and enraged customer (a.k.a. The Chosen One) 😫
Because 2003 cartoons and 2005 digital filmmaking is better at making robot limbs do cool shit. But really because Vaders robot limbs weren't discovered until Return of the Jedi and they are to keep him normal looking, not to impose on lots of Jedi and be stylish like Grevious.
Because only the Gank species makes for a better Cybernetic user and creator. If the banking clan had used Gank technology, Grevious wouldn't have the had the obvious flaw of having his organs so exposed in a skeleton structure (for example), instead of fully encasing them and reinforcing any soft spots like eyes. Vader wouldn't have been a bunch of leathery burnt bacon, but of course his force abilities were a factor, thus limiting his full conversion as mentioned in a previous video. But really, it's because one was made in the late 1970's and one was made in the late 1990's, as you all know. Making prequels long after the originals can be a pain in the arse with explaining technology later on. Just look at Star Trek. Or don't, it's also a hot mess sadly.
Cauze grievous came out ina time where our technology that allowed agile robots...THATS IT. Stop justifying things that where of their time....like vader and obi wans duel doesnt need to be explained. It was just the 70s and things were slower....END OF STORY. No HESITATION or TRAUMA on vaders side, JUST STRAIGHT UP limitations of the time
They had to go to the dollar store for vader after blowing most of the budget on Grievous.
LMAO!!!!!!
This comment gotta be pinned!
Damn that was a good one
Let's be real here. A lot of stuff in the Prequels were impressive
Most impressive
Correction : The prequels are impressive.
@@KK-mo9df 2 likes right now. "Twice the pride, double the fall"
I've been looking forward to this
Yeah I can't imagine the original trilogy looking like the prequels for some reason
Vader and Grievous were both spectacularly powerful and terrifying, but lacked something the other had: Vader more advanced cybernetics, Grievous the Force-sensitivity. Without these flaws, the two of them would have been absolutely unbeatable.
I agree.....
General Grievous will not hesitate to execution swiftly.....
Darth Vader will not hesitate to execution slowly......
But the problem is if Vader were to have more advanced cybernetics he would probably die the suit he was given in ROTS was a fast last minute suit to support him Vader would die if palpatine prepared a better suit and would die if he tried to upgrade it plus his limbs were still damaged so advanced cybernetics would harm him to much
pilkers2 he could have been put in a bacta tank.
@@siegel947 Correction General Grievous will not hesitate to execution slowly.....
@@pilkers2 Advanced cybernetics wouldn’t harm Vader.
It's because they didn't have the kind of technology to showcase a more advanced cybernetic suit in 1977
Alê you win
Impressed i am
Lol totally.prequals were lucas being a LOOK WHAT I CAN DO idiot.he ruined a potential good thing
I hate comments like this. Yeah no ahit Scherlock these videos are about reasons IN UNIVERSE.
The Luke trilogy is trash af, should've kept Anakin alive and in one piece
The cybernetics attached to Vader were intentionally meant to regulate his power.He was the most powerful force sensitive and if he has agility like greivous he would have been unstoppable and could have thrawted the Emperor's Domain.This was the best way to subjugate him.Well played Sidious, well played.
Hahah yep lucas planned it all along.sorry.but he didnt.
@@wnerko7484 What do you mean Sorry, but he didn’t?
That not saved Sidious from flying into the mine and being killed by his own lightning)).
Vader's subpar cybernetics are a combination of Sidious' ruthlessness/paranoia, emergency materials on hand, and critical damage Vader sustained.
I'm leaning more towards the former than the latter. If his injuries were so critical, they could have just dunked him in a bacta tank. Grievous injuries were far worse, and he survived.
Huh. I always thought Vader never got the upgrades because of three reasons. One, he wanted to punish himself to some degree, as many Legends and even some Canon sources reveal how much he regrets everything he did but feels he's gone too far down the dark path to turn back now. Two, the pain distracts him from his other emotions like regret and sadness sometimes. And three, and most important, he wanted to be in constant pain because it would make him angry and his anger would fuel his power in the Dark Side.
Grievous: unlimited funding, give him the best on the market
Vader: What do you on sale?
Sorry, but no. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Sidious didn't have both the MONEY and RESOURCES to give Vader great cybernetics. Not to mention all the research, and knowledge they gained from building Grievous could have been implemented into Vader. Even if Vader's suit was rushed, it was too much of a technological step backwards to make sense. *My personal belief is that Sidious WANTED Vader to be in PAIN as PUNISHMENT for his failure on Mustafar. A constant, and eternal reminder that Vader failed his master on a crucial mission.*
In "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader" that's Vader's exact thoughts in the early part of the book.
His suit was made to be painful and a mean to keep punishing Vader for failing in Mustafar.
He didn't fail his mission on Mustafar. He completely wiped out all of the separatist leaders as instructed by Sidious. He was taken by surprise by Obi Wan.
Sidious didn’t want to give Vader the best tech Available because he wanted him to suffer for losing his fight with obi wan that’s why
Probably didn't want Vader to get more powerful and make adjustments that can limit the vulnerability to lighting
I’m just glad Vader wasn’t given 4 arms like Grievous...that would be creepy
Thanks a whole bunch SWRC appreciate your great videos! 😁👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Grievous's "upgrades" involved replacing most of his organic body, including parts of it that were still functional, with cybernetics, leaving him with only a brain, two eyes and some organs. Vader could've done the same, but as you said, he was unlikely to survive the process, and while the lore is vague about how much of a person needs to be organic for them to use the Force, I find it hard to believe that being reduced to a bunch of organs, not to mention the physical and mental trauma, wouldn't have significant impacts on Vader's Force abilities. I don't think Sidious would've allowed it either, given the risks and implications.
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Also, Vader was shown repairing his cybernetics (both the suit and the limbs), fixing and modifying them in his own way after his duel with Kirak Infil'a, where he obtained his lightsaber. Sidious said that "this suit is you", suggesting that Vader had embraced his new identity and didn't want to be changed into something like Grievous.
Late to the party, but this is touching on the more *practical* explanation that I was waiting to come up in this video. Research and funding can't explain the difference, they were unlimited in the Empire.
But when you're entire body is replaced with machines, you can essentially build a perfect droid with an organic brain. With Vader, there was still half of a broken body attached to prosthetics. Simply in terms of design, there is more weak, organic material that needs to be accounted for in every movement. I would say their cybernetics are essentially on par with each other, but Vader underwent a renovation, instead of having the entire foundation of a body built from scratch.
...and also Sidious left a couple of weak spots to keep him in check, but those were vulnerabilities specific to Sidious's powers, so Vader wouldn't be compromised against most foes.
@@Julianlesk Grievous’s cybernetics are way better than Vader’s cybernetics.
I know its all a cannon vs chronological releases thing, but its funny that the Great and imposing Darth Vader fits in well with the Tarkin Doctrine
Yeah.i love original star wars and it burns my ass the prequals sucked.the canon stuff from other people is great and it pisses me off because it shows how bad lucas fucked up.your comment is rational.👍
Vader wasn't terrifying. If they made his cybernetics to look more like Megatron, THAT would be terrifying!
I think it's moreso Palpatine wanted Vader to look intimidating, but still human and able to function as his enforcer amongst the rest of the imperial fleet. He'd be a bit out of place scuttling around with 6 legs like Greivous. Vader also had more limbs and organic tissue remaining.
Grievous was shorter than one would suspect
Which would you rather go around as though?:
Vader's suit?
Grievous cybernetics?
Grievous cybernetics
Greivous all day EVERYDAY
Grievous
Grevious cybernetics. Vader's suit was described as anything but comfortable. Grevious didn't have perfect cybernetics, but at least his everyday life wasn't hell because of his cybernetics, unlike Vader's suit.
Darth Vader.....for an slow death
General Grievous......for an swift death
There is another important fact. Griveus was in 90% a machine, Vader in 50% or 55%. Griveus was not force sensitive so he didn't have to worry about losing his connection to the force. Even if Vader could be rebuilt into something like Griveus a huge part of his organic body would have to be cut out, which means he'd loose almost all midichlorians and even completely disconnect from the force. That means that neither Sidious, nor Vader would want such an "improovement" to happen, no matter if it was possible or not.
Vader had to be strong in the force so he needed all of his remaining body and he needed to stay in that uncomfortable suit.
That, in my opinion, is the best explanation, fits both in canon and legends and doesn't contradict other factors.
If I'm wrong about something, please correct me.
Wait so in cannon we don't have a good explanation why Vader never upgraded his suit?
The last time i was this early the rule of two didnt even exist
1. Grievous needed it to be insane since he wasn’t force sensitive and Vader didn’t really since he was the exact opposite
2. Palpatine wanted to keep him balanced between useful and submissive for the rest of his mortal life while he pursued immortality lol
This is another flaw in Disney canon where we see Darth Vader without his suit in a bacta tank. In this circumstance, Vader should have been able to greatly upgrade his cybernetics to improve his movements or to support regeneration of his actual body, which was hinted he could potentially do the the ROTJ novel. More specifically he could change his suit to not be vulnerable to Force Lightning. But he doesn't in Disney canon despite now being able to be out of his suit while in a bacta tank because...Legends was just better
In Rogue One Vader is clearly shown in a Bacta Tank without the suit. This clear canon example shows the Vader could have upgraded his suit while he was out of it had he chosen to (and he did slightly in many of the comics). I believe the true Reason Palpatine did not give Vader a Grievous esque suit was due to the fact he was fearful of him overthrowing him and knew that by placing him in a inferior suit and limiting Vader’s resources to improve it would force him to stay subjugated to the Emperor’s will.
General grievous he’s shorter than I expected
I always assumed that the suit was meant to be a "portable dungeon" of sorts: both a suit of armor and a ball-and-chain at the same time. Therefore, Vader could be an effective enforcer amongst the Imperial military while posing little threat to Sidious, himself.
Indeed, didn't Sidious intentionally make Vader's circuitry vulnerable so a quick flash of Force lightning could disable him easily?
One thing i believe play a factor is that Vader has most of his body while grievous was mainly some orgars, brain and part of his head. Meaning Grievous was a droid with a brain which allowed for him to peeform as he did.
Can you immagine the strain on the remainder of Vader's body caused by jumping around as Grievous did? The union point would be put on so much stress and strain the flesh and bone would constantly break and tear.
Also is true the suit was intended to be a weak point to be exploited by Sidious were Vader to betray him.
Also i think the technology was available for vader to swich to another and better suit had he actually wanted to.
I mean he could just say screw it and replicate the concept of grievous and just be a brain in a droid, but how would that affect his connection to the force?
Probably he never did cause the plot needed him to be Vader as we know or his condition suited him in other ways. It is stated in other media that the pain and discomfort he constantly feels in his suit allows him to more effectively use the dark side by keeping him in a state of anger and despair.
Grevious liked to enhance himself with droid parts. I think Vader hated it.
My impression is that the reaction time of Grievious cybernetics at the expense of durability. Despite the materials it's made of Grievious cybernetics are relatively fragile with multiple vulnerabilities, such as torso being crushed by Mace Windu or the opening Obi-wan Kenobi found for blaster shots.
Vader's cybernetics are much more durable, with exception of force lightning, Vader's suits shrugs off damage that tore limbs off of Grevious.
If we had a Grievous with the durability of Vader’s suit... it’d be chaos.
Because a true, powerful sith lord doesn't need lightsabers or fancy cibornetics, but only the force.
The flaw in you logic about why vader's cybernetic limbs are inferior simply does not hold up. With the successful implementation and testing done by Grievous, the path for near perfection was already blazed. Vader could have easily been given cybernetic limbs comparable to Grievous' and the life support systems could still be a stand alone system. There's nothing specifically stating that Vader's life support systems are in any way dependant on his current limbs. Vader was given inferior technology for the plain and simple reason that Sidious wanted him to always be less than him.
Lmao I wouldn't consider a pair of lungs surrounded by a pair of metal flaps more advanced.
Grievous's cybernetics was more suited for speed, and Vader's for defense and attack power. Although Vader's cybernetics was not as advanced, it also had advantages since it was not visible under the suit where the dark lord's real body was and where his prostheses were. Unlike Grievous, who during the battle with Obi-Wan himself revealed his vulnerable point and died when Kenobi shot there.
Grevious wasn't able to use the force, and Vader needed the "push" of shxt cybernetics to keep him in the dark side. Also, Grevious was probably not a threat to Sidious.
Regarding why Vader didnt upgrade is cybernetics going forward. Couldn't he have just vibed out in his meditation chamber while changes were made?
You'd think...
Vader had the force he didn't need anything more than what kept him alive
That's just false.He did need the suit.But he could survive for SOME time without if he was angry enough and can survive indefinitely without in the bacta tank
Nothing I said was false all I said was vader didn't need all the things grievous had
Oh, come on. The answer is because in 1977, 1980, and 1983, when the original trilogy were filmed, there were more limitations on how special effects in film could depict a fully cybernetic body.
If the CGI technology that existed in 2005 when Attack of the Clones was filmed had existed in 1977, Darth Vader might have had a completely different look and character design. They made Grievous look cooler and more advanced than Vader because in 2005 they had the special effects technology that allowed the filmmakers to do so.
That's it. That's the reason.
Only in the 70s would one consider a keyboard control panel on the chest to be "high tech".
In a legends book Grievous body becomes an actual droid after he was killed by Kenobi
could we get a what if video on vader with grievous cybernetics?
Imagine how powerful Darth Vader would be if he had similar cybernetic enhancenents to general grevious if not better cybernetic enhancenents provided the time period Vader revived his, he would be a monster, given he was already on our with Darth sidious in power with his cannon cybernetic enhancenents
But why didn’t he upgrade it in Canon? Because he probably spent a good amount of time in a Bacta tank
I'd have upgraded it to make me look more like Megatron.
So Grievous's suit was planned way ahead and tested extensively beforehand while Vader's need was unforseen and thus a total rush job. As a result Grievous got a super suit while Vader's was little more than a life support system.
So how would he have got into the bacta tank??
If i remember correctly its also because sidious wanted to keep vader under his control and didn't want him growing stronger than himself
I'm sure if the Original Trilogy was made in the 2000's then Darth Vader's suit would have looked more advanced.
It was the 80's technology what caused the OT looks more backward than the Prequel and Sequel era.
couldn't vader die very quickly after his confrontation with galen marek in tfu? his loses his helmet/mask as well as well as being heavily damage. is there any solid backstory other than plot armor?
It's difficult to breathe without the mask, but getting electrocuted when he tossed SIdeous down the shaft (along with shorting out his iron lung) is what finished him.
Marek did not finish him off because he saw human emotions in Vader's opened eye - pain and fatigue. He realized that revenge on the teacher and not Sidious would not bring Marek satisfaction. Moreover, he was afraid to switch to the dark side of the force after seeing what it could lead to with the example of Vader.
It's a punishment suit.
Not to mention the fact sidious probly made it intentionally harder on Vader so he can grow stronger
TL;DR he was written and created by more modern & creative idea, also CG implementation :P
2003 cw grievous beat suit Vader and does a good battle vs rots Anakin ...but who wins(no suit Vader is NOT above Anakin btw)
And also have you read that every Star Wars Legends continuity is coming to movies when I say every continuity I mean everything
No it’s not 🤦🏾♂️
Yes, one movie came first and the others came after with Lucas not giving a damn.
Basically Vader could crush many Jedi with the shit he had if he was able to crawl on walls and have four arms he’d be too powerful
Personally, I'd choose cybernetics to look more like Megatron. With a voice box by Hugo Weaving.
Anakin treated by palp:YIUR A GOOD BOI
darth vader being treated by palp:YIU DISGUSTING PIG, YIU FAILED THAT, DDDIIIIIEEEE
And Obi Wan just pulled that shit apart like plastic lol
Shocking.....that essence Transfer to a perfect cybernetic body tech wasn't availablr; Dr Ford from WestWorld knows how. . Or that the essence transfer technique spoken of by Darth Bane wasn't an option.
I have a great what if story forget to do what if Darth Maul had been successful at unlocking the world between worlds at the Malicore temple. And killing Darth Sidious before he came to power.
This makes sense but we see Vader in bacta tanks completely removed from his suit plenty of times so why couldn't they design a better suit even if it took years then just put him in his new suit when its ready 😕
So, *Project Grievous* was successful because of daily scrums, exhaustive quality testing, frequent bug fixes and regular upgrades.
On the other hand, *Project Vader* failed due to poor management, insufficient requirements gathering, rushed deadlines, no QA (😲😲) and enraged customer (a.k.a. The Chosen One) 😫
Now this is real starwars, not that candy a$$ stuff, lmao.
He didn't fix it because he deserves it
Because 2003 cartoons and 2005 digital filmmaking is better at making robot limbs do cool shit. But really because Vaders robot limbs weren't discovered until Return of the Jedi and they are to keep him normal looking, not to impose on lots of Jedi and be stylish like Grevious.
Yeahh
Because only the Gank species makes for a better Cybernetic user and creator. If the banking clan had used Gank technology, Grevious wouldn't have the had the obvious flaw of having his organs so exposed in a skeleton structure (for example), instead of fully encasing them and reinforcing any soft spots like eyes. Vader wouldn't have been a bunch of leathery burnt bacon, but of course his force abilities were a factor, thus limiting his full conversion as mentioned in a previous video.
But really, it's because one was made in the late 1970's and one was made in the late 1990's, as you all know. Making prequels long after the originals can be a pain in the arse with explaining technology later on. Just look at Star Trek. Or don't, it's also a hot mess sadly.
I left a like for *still not really being a problem*
I want to hate Vader but I can only really feel bad for him.
Cuz Vader was made in the 70s and Grievous was made in the golden age of CGI
Wasn't Darth Vader always in pain as well?
Because Grievous is from the Prequels. Period.
Maybe because the sequels didn’t exist when the original Vader costume was made...
if they deul who would win
Cauze grievous came out ina time where our technology that allowed agile robots...THATS IT. Stop justifying things that where of their time....like vader and obi wans duel doesnt need to be explained. It was just the 70s and things were slower....END OF STORY. No HESITATION or TRAUMA on vaders side, JUST STRAIGHT UP limitations of the time
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Hi I’m really Early I’m Adam
Adam X78 well aren’t you a smart one hahaha lol
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When can you make more Star Wars Canon videos instead of Legends