Why Speedrunners HATE Pokemon Alpha Sapphire

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  • @PulseEffects
    @PulseEffects  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Hello gamers! I recently released another video explaining a few things I didn't fully explain in this video! Check it out if you have questions. 🙂 th-cam.com/video/RgxxpYwfKig/w-d-xo.html

  • @blackrapier713
    @blackrapier713 ปีที่แล้ว +3566

    Sheer cold increases in accuracy based on the level gap. For every level they have above yours it gains 1%. So sheer cold had a 34% rather than a 30%. Which does a lot more than most people expect, just like how 95% accurate moves miss so often.

    • @dreadknight2439
      @dreadknight2439 ปีที่แล้ว +487

      This explains sooo fucking much, I remember Kyogre hitting sheer cold sooo fucking often despite it supposed to be 30 accuracy against my team

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +638

      Ahhh I totally forgot about the level difference mechanic.

    • @nerddwarf
      @nerddwarf ปีที่แล้ว +255

      @@dreadknight2439
      OHKO moves also fail outright of the user is lower level than the target (level 99
      Walrein using Sheer Cold will fail against a lv. 100 Sunkern)

    • @neri1220
      @neri1220 ปีที่แล้ว +75

      @@nerddwarf Indeed thats why they just needed 55 lvl Kyogre.

    • @shadowtitanx3962
      @shadowtitanx3962 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      If it’s not 100% Accurate, it's 50% Accurate

  • @seastruck5410
    @seastruck5410 ปีที่แล้ว +1363

    I wasn’t fortunate enough to play these games when they came out only played the Original ones and honestly seeing how this game was made, man do I wish diamond and pearl had the same treatment cause holy crap it looks so beautiful.

    • @notscorchingsands9718
      @notscorchingsands9718 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      But everyone bitching about it at launch says otherwise

    • @martinthomas2520
      @martinthomas2520 ปีที่แล้ว +225

      @@notscorchingsands9718That’s what I never understood tbh, game was amazing yet people still found meaningless things to complain… lol

    • @frizzyrascal1493
      @frizzyrascal1493 ปีที่แล้ว +276

      @@martinthomas2520 Nah don't twist the history there, Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby had a much better first review wave than the DP Remakes had.
      It was greatly made, but I still don't get why they cut out the Emerald extra stuff.

    • @jonsupee3373
      @jonsupee3373 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@notscorchingsands9718 they always do that, it happened to the black and white games too. Turned out to be the best games of the franchise.

    • @2thezaza
      @2thezaza ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@notscorchingsands9718 I don’t remember that at all except the too much water memes

  • @Imamotherfreakingavocado
    @Imamotherfreakingavocado ปีที่แล้ว +614

    Latias is my favourite legendary, she deserved better 😭😭

    • @conradlorgar5508
      @conradlorgar5508 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ...why?

    • @rique3849
      @rique3849 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Same

    • @helion2018
      @helion2018 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Casually waiting till people start fighting because someone "misgendered" a Pokémon (Saw this happen like 3 times with Zacian).

    • @alctry
      @alctry ปีที่แล้ว +115

      @@helion2018 There seem to be no errors. Latias can only be female, the male counterpart is Latios (think like Nidoking and Nidoqueen).

    • @adamiamnottellingyoumylast5746
      @adamiamnottellingyoumylast5746 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same here because she was the first legend I ever got

  • @elmago2808
    @elmago2808 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    Fun facts with Jake! This actually mirrors the competitive scene near perfectly, as in gen 3 kyogre was the most dominant mon in ubers, while, when oras dropped, groudon surpassed it by a long shot

    • @gregorymirabella1423
      @gregorymirabella1423 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      that fire typing and water immunity was huge for it.

    • @elmago2808
      @elmago2808 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      @@gregorymirabella1423 yup. The water inmunity, especially, turned their matchup from one where they both had to be very cautious to an absolute groudon victory

    • @ThatOneWeirdFlex
      @ThatOneWeirdFlex ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@gregorymirabella1423there is also more moves and pokemon that can abuse sun in ORAS

    • @selearth3123
      @selearth3123 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ThatOneWeirdFlex i think you've forgotten how their primal forms' weather abilities worked. Nobody was using regular groudon in ORAS ubers so they could set up sun.

    • @alexursu4403
      @alexursu4403 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@selearth3123 You sure that wasn't reffering to VGC ? AKA the doubles format ?

  • @LocalMaple
    @LocalMaple ปีที่แล้ว +551

    8:13 That’s actually 34%. OHKO moves gain 1% for each level above the target the user is.

    • @Official_ViperYT
      @Official_ViperYT ปีที่แล้ว +38

      But if the oh ko user is lower level, it's 0% accuracy

    • @cheekywario4361
      @cheekywario4361 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Half of the comments are saying this😭

    • @davidstratton696
      @davidstratton696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Official_ViperYT Which is such a weird way u think it would work the same way both ways where every lv lower it would just reduce it by 1. Seems weird 😂.

    • @princeking1562
      @princeking1562 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Official_ViperYT Legendaries would be unaffected if higher level but not normal pokemon if it hasn't changed and theres no way you should have such a weak legend at the league too easy to level on the cave.

    • @jianchristian1367
      @jianchristian1367 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@princeking1562there's no time to fucking grind in a speedrun. cope

  • @RustyhairedAlp9575
    @RustyhairedAlp9575 ปีที่แล้ว +737

    I guess you could say that alpha saphire is hard mode. That and maybe more people should be using the grass type starter in the game where the villains primarily use water types.

    • @N12015
      @N12015 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      Flannery and Wattson.

    • @piranhalettuce
      @piranhalettuce ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I can walk on water I can fly

    • @PredictableEnigma
      @PredictableEnigma ปีที่แล้ว +34

      There are a bunch of catchable grass and water types though. Very few fire types to catch.

    • @crumpetsancheese2197
      @crumpetsancheese2197 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      @@PredictableEnigma yeah, but this is a speedrun. they don't have time to catch & train like a lotad, and grass is a really bad type in general.

    • @hankhill7155
      @hankhill7155 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Crumpetsancheese your logic and username is terrible..get swept by a dommy mommy tsareena

  • @N12015
    @N12015 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    34/66% chance, not 3'/70%. Sheer cold gains 1% accuracy for each level above the opponent, making the situation slightly worse.

  • @zone0ftruth
    @zone0ftruth ปีที่แล้ว +315

    I had no idea how hard alpha sapphire gets dunked on lmao

    • @HabitualThinker
      @HabitualThinker ปีที่แล้ว +37

      idk man, this seems like the problems are all specific to speedrunners who dont know that water is weak to grass
      though its problably not worth catching a water mon just for surf

    • @linglingforever
      @linglingforever ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@HabitualThinker if u pick treecko, you have nothing for magneton and flannery, i imagine mudkip is still faster due to that roadblock

    • @DJFracus
      @DJFracus ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@HabitualThinker Do a Treecko run and let us know how it goes against Brawly, Rival, Wattson, Flannery, and Norman (hint: it's worse against all of them). Let us know when you beat all the speedrunners who don't know that water is weak to grass.

    • @egbertmilton4003
      @egbertmilton4003 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@DJFracus It’s easy to get through those trainers. Seems like they just have a skill issue

    • @kyarumomochi5146
      @kyarumomochi5146 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@egbertmilton4003 ah yes
      speedrunners has skill issue

  • @FiboSai
    @FiboSai ปีที่แล้ว +521

    Why do speedrunners use the red orb in OR, while avoiding the use of the blue orb in AS against Glacia? Is it because Kyogre can theoretically win faster without it, but Groudon has to transform to win? That would be an awkward case of one game having a strat that is technically faster than the other, but more annoying to perform because it is inconsistent.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +295

      Pretty much. Groudon needs the stat boost from its Primal, otherwise it's insanely nature and stat dependant.

    • @groudonvert7286
      @groudonvert7286 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@PulseEffects It's just stupid if you're on a WR pace, you don't have to throw it out of the window on RNG if you have a bit slower but safe way to the fight.

    • @tuby0299
      @tuby0299 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      ​@@groudonvert7286 I'd assume that if you don't risk the rng, you lose the WR pace, given how saving even seconds is pretty important on speedruns

    • @groudonvert7286
      @groudonvert7286 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@tuby0299 In speedruns like Pokémon where every fight is RNG, I don't believe you have that much time to lose on a fight like that.

    • @tuby0299
      @tuby0299 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@groudonvert7286 well in a speedrun, even a few seconds can be what defines a WR run. And while it is true that Pokémon speedruns are filled with rng, you're always going to play against those odds for an optimal play. After all, if it wasn't an important thing to begin with, I doubt anyone would be risking the run, yet that's not the case

  • @ekman_larsson4821
    @ekman_larsson4821 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I feel like it's worth noting that the Walrein can also go for Surf or Body Slam and we usually only have to risk 2 turns on the Walrein, which makes it much more reasonable to go for the no Blue Orb strat since you are fairly likely to survive

    • @Official_ViperYT
      @Official_ViperYT ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but if your not that's a big time waster, and your legendary is dead. And usually a speedrunner doesn't try grinding levels that much in a run because it takes time out of the run.

    • @ekman_larsson4821
      @ekman_larsson4821 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Official_ViperYT I was trying to make a point for why people go for a relatively risky strat that late into the game because I saw some people in the comment section who said that it would not be worth it. I don't exactly know what you are trying to tell me but yes, sometimes we have to take risks in Pokémon Speedruns so that we can go fast

  • @PulseEffects
    @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +635

    Justice for Latias!!! 😭😤

  • @philipgelderblom6878
    @philipgelderblom6878 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    Kyorgrie. My pain

  • @ultimapower6950
    @ultimapower6950 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    So since Omega Ruby is the preferred game for ORAS speedruns does that mean that Omega Ruby is avenging Ruby or something

    • @Official_ViperYT
      @Official_ViperYT ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Probably, after all Kyogre would win agienst Groudon cuz of typing. so I guess it's just avenging the legendary.

    • @UltraAryan10
      @UltraAryan10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ​@@Official_ViperYT Yes but Primal Groudon can beat Primal Kyogre and is better overall so they did just flip the matchup of Gen 3 in Gen 6.

    • @Official_ViperYT
      @Official_ViperYT ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@UltraAryan10 yeah, I remember I think they gave Groudon solar beam to handle weaknesses. and with the desolate land it is a 1 turn op move.

    • @Lord_necromancer
      @Lord_necromancer ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@Official_ViperYT also desolate land fully negates all water attacks so Kyogre is fully useless against primal Groudon

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "preferred", because the games actually have separate leaderboards due to being different enough from one another.

  • @d-anca3491
    @d-anca3491 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    The Latios in the red game and Latias in the blue game is also in the originals but you get them latter and is harder to catch them, only in Emerald they let you choose which you want.
    Also I think is better that you can't skip some parts of the game.

  • @charlessmith3756
    @charlessmith3756 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "HM Friend" hit me like a truck

  • @BijouBellaRixp1
    @BijouBellaRixp1 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    I am here solely because of that thumbnail it is adorable pat whoever made it on the back they deserve it

  • @AFXffs772
    @AFXffs772 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Groudon is actually much better for the 8th gym as it sets up Desolate Land which nullifies Water moves, which the AI doesn’t get and will still spam Water moves seeing the 4x weakness oblivious to the fact it’s doing 0 damage, this also saves time on the animations

    • @kumoko3728
      @kumoko3728 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You can turn animations off...

    • @alecrutz6979
      @alecrutz6979 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kumoko3728 honestly I'd advise doing it in normal gameplay too because man it takes up so much time.

  • @nerddwarf
    @nerddwarf ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The accuracy of OHKO moves increase if the user is higher level than the target (1% per level), and fail if the user is lower level than the target.
    Level 54 Walrein has a 34% to hit Sheer Cold against a level 50 Kyorge
    It's only a 66% chance to not get hit by Sheer Cold, not 70%

  • @apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
    @apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Alpha sapphire was one of the first games I ever beat and I will never forget how important some of those pokemon are to me. I cried when I got to the credits and it showed me fighting with my pokemon with their greatest hits.

    • @livebyfaith4647
      @livebyfaith4647 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      one of the first games you ever beat? how old are u like 5? game came out like 6 years ago bro

    • @dirtylivin07
      @dirtylivin07 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@livebyfaith4647 2014 was 9 years ago.

    • @xeths_tcg
      @xeths_tcg ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@livebyfaith4647 9. The guy could be like 14

    • @pigeonflame9885
      @pigeonflame9885 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@livebyfaith4647 assuming he was like 9 when he beat it he could even be 18 lmao

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@livebyfaith4647 How would they currently be 5?? It came out 9 years ago, I was 11-ish when it came out; my first pokemon game was X&Y however, first game I'd ever beaten I think? I'm not really that good at video games but I'm pretty decent at pokemon

  • @ricebox3048
    @ricebox3048 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Poor lati-ass. It's so cute but not strong enough for speedruns :(

  • @TwiliPaladin
    @TwiliPaladin ปีที่แล้ว +13

    1:35 In my Pokémon Y playthrough, that was the Black Belt in Reflection Cave who had nothing but a Sawk. Dude wiped 4 of my pokemon before I could get a single hit off.

    • @ARCHIVED9610
      @ARCHIVED9610 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lmao for me it was the autumn bridge battle my team got swept and i was OVERLEVELEd

  • @augustorojas9371
    @augustorojas9371 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    6:54 May and Brendan are 12 years old in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. The ten year old rule is exclusive to the anime and every single playable character we known the age of is older than 10.

    • @theleonpasta7336
      @theleonpasta7336 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I always figured Red and Blue were 10, though I do see why people think the other player characters are older, the Gen 5 protagonists literally look like teenagers yet their age is probably never states and as an anime fan you'd presume the "10 years old" rule as canon, though obvs it isn't since many of the PC (player characters) are obviously older than 10

    • @meltysap1679
      @meltysap1679 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@theleonpasta7336 game protags from gen 1-4 and 7 are all 11, stated originally I think in game manuals and then in gen 7 directly
      gen 5 trainers are 14 for BW and 12 for BW2, and then gen 6 is at least 17
      idk about 8 lol

    • @augustorojas9371
      @augustorojas9371 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@meltysap1679 At the time of their journey:
      Red, Blue, Elio, and Selene are 11 years old. Brendan and May are 12 while Hilbert and Hilda are 14.
      Calem and Serena are older than Emma who is 16 while Akari and Rei are stated to be around 15. It may be safe to assume that Leaf is the same age as Red and Blue. Ethan, Kris, Lucas, Dawn and Lyra’s age are unknown but cannot be older than 14 as Hilbert and Hilda are said to be older than them. The age of Chase and Elaine is unknown but it can be assumed that they are younger than Red, Blue, and Green making them the only playable characters I’ll accept being called 10 years old.
      Nate, Rosa, Victor, Gloria, Florian and Juliana have completely unknown ages.

    • @GKplus8
      @GKplus8 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@augustorojas9371 Florian & Juliana both look about the same as Chase & Elaine.

    • @ellachino4799
      @ellachino4799 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That don't mean diddily squat with the anime artstyle and you know it​@GKplus8

  • @David_the_Psalmist
    @David_the_Psalmist ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Calling Kyogre Kee-oh-gree is one of the biggest Ls the anime ever took. The only thing worse than that that I can think of is calling Rattata Rattatat.

    • @marshupp
      @marshupp ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How Kyogre should be prounonce ? Kai-oh-geer ?

    • @David_the_Psalmist
      @David_the_Psalmist ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@marshupp Close. It's Kai, like Dragonball Kai, and then ogre, like Shrek.

    • @jouheikisaragi6075
      @jouheikisaragi6075 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I tend to say Key Oh Gray

    • @David_the_Psalmist
      @David_the_Psalmist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@jouheikisaragi6075 I catch you saying that, I’ll show you what a KO grey looks like.

    • @jouheikisaragi6075
      @jouheikisaragi6075 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@David_the_Psalmist not my fault that's how it's said in both my native language. Same with Rayquaza being Ry(like Ride) Kwa Za and Arceus being Ar seh oos. Spanish is a funny language like that.

  • @FortunateNeil
    @FortunateNeil ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Latass my beloved

  • @Aleph3575
    @Aleph3575 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    4:52 Tbf it was always like that even in the OG games. You always got the Eon legendary who was the opposite color of your game. Its just in the OG games you didn't get them midgame so they weren't relevant to a speedrun unless going for a 100% run.

  • @kookio4284
    @kookio4284 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I almost think it would be more beneficial to use Torchic in Alpha Sapphire than it is to use Mudkip.

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      no, it wouldn't. Otherwise speedrunners would use it.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Torchic can't beat Roxanne
      That's mostly it.
      Torchic absolutely cannot beat Roxanne without unreasonable luck.
      Combusken can, but you don't have a Combusken, you have a Torchic, and if you grind for Combusken, you are now irrecoverably behind pace

  • @Hilly_LittleFeatheryCorner
    @Hilly_LittleFeatheryCorner 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I came here for the content of this video. I didn't expect you to use "vulnerability" for the bg music in the end part. I'm commenting here to give you a h5 for the usage of the ost.

  • @mcspiffy5843
    @mcspiffy5843 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My favorite boy Machop, finally getting some time in the spotlight!

  • @caolanochearnaigh9804
    @caolanochearnaigh9804 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That thumbnail, man.
    Hilarious.
    May's like, "Dammit Archie! Why won't your goons stop following me?!

  • @xxbloo_skoutxx
    @xxbloo_skoutxx ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Kai-Oh-Gree 😭

  • @ExtremeBirdTypography
    @ExtremeBirdTypography ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Love the Latias named 'Latios' at 5:14 there. The cope is real.

  • @dr.toxicgamingmadscientist
    @dr.toxicgamingmadscientist ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i just realized that Resonance is the track used for this video, what a neat touch

  • @sxperpotion
    @sxperpotion ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i enjoyed this thoroughly, i need more.

  • @morenoreno3389
    @morenoreno3389 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I find it funny how he stresses whenever he says Lati-ASS

  • @Diz_27
    @Diz_27 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I screamed so loud at Lati-Ass 😂😂😂

  • @RyanY6969
    @RyanY6969 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This game made my childhood
    Thankful for the moments I had with my cousins
    Playing 3DS and having fun as kids

    • @joshuah.4496
      @joshuah.4496 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Goddamn, that made me feel old. It was the same way for me with the 2nd and 3rd gen games

  • @eirikeiken
    @eirikeiken ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I remember doing a for-fun Latias only run of AS. It was fun and doable, but it was sort of frustrating how all the league match-ups are very unfavorable. Dark type, Ghost type, Ice Type, and Dragon type are all super effective against my red plane wife. Obviously not a speed run :D.

  • @Magicdfox
    @Magicdfox ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You did not nickname your latias “Latios” that is next level lmao

  • @Corvimae
    @Corvimae ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ALPHA SAPPHIRE MY BELOVED
    latas

  • @ChronoSquare
    @ChronoSquare 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This helps me know about OR on one video. That's good content.

  • @Infurnadox_Gaming
    @Infurnadox_Gaming ปีที่แล้ว +12

    1 thing you didn’t mention is that groundon gets access to solar beam, that is a 1 turn move if the sun is up so the water gym goes down instantly to it

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Solar Beam is not used for the speedrun! Its Ground/Fire moves obliterate everything in its path.

    • @Robbie_Haruna
      @Robbie_Haruna 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I assume that wasn't mentioned because it's usually not worth it lol.
      The boosted fire moves from sunlight and the ground moves scaling off its insane physical attack are nutty.

  • @ogeid772
    @ogeid772 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wouldnt a quick trip to the Lillycove department store to get the Thunder TM help with the Walrein? I get that its a speedrun, so time is of the essence, but i think you could make up for the time lost by not needing to set up on the fight

    • @Skullhawk13
      @Skullhawk13 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Rival fight blocks it

  • @LucianDevine
    @LucianDevine ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sheer Cold, 30% of the time, it hits every time!

  • @carlosmujun
    @carlosmujun ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4:20 i died

  • @empressmako
    @empressmako ปีที่แล้ว +27

    i wonder if you can get 5 rare candies for kyogre before glacia to prevent the ohko

    • @kstanni87
      @kstanni87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you can grind in Victory Road and just don't waste those rare candies on any pokemon in Alpha Sapphire speedruns (where kyogre is allowed)

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@kstanni87 does grinding not add to the speedrun time?

    • @gregorymirabella1423
      @gregorymirabella1423 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      takes too much time. you can potentially get WR if you just gamble on not getting OKHO'd, so everyone just hopes for the best.

    • @Dirty_mike_and_dem_boys
      @Dirty_mike_and_dem_boys ปีที่แล้ว

      @no

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gregorymirabella1423
      This
      Because you CAN beat Glacia reasonably without Rare Candies, that means you HAVE to if you wanna go for WR.
      Kinda like the no Blue Orb strat itself.
      Groudon basically has to use it without unreasonable luck, so using it hasn't been worked out of the WR yet, but because Kyogre reasonably can, you have to.

  • @shimogane2474
    @shimogane2474 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Yo blaziken looks amazing for a alpha sapphire speed run. Too sad that you need to catch a water type because Latias encounters right after the first surf area.

    • @Boulder7685
      @Boulder7685 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah I’m curious how much time you’d have to lose to catching a Lotad. Though the first gym being rock probably hurts the Torchic pick as well.

  • @NineQuestionMarks
    @NineQuestionMarks ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm starting to wonder if it would be faster to use Treecko instead. You get Rock Tomb right after the first gym to deal with all of Grass' weaknesses except for poison, and it adds more type variety compared to using both Mudkip and Kyogre, plus Latias can learn Surf, Dive, and Waterfall.

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Treecko is just not good in these games, worst starter choice as it doesn't do well with most of the gyms and anything after..it also ironically doesn't do well against team aqua as most of team aquas pokemon aren't water types and super effective against grass types..they mostly use dark, flying, and poison types (if it was a viable option the speedrunners would of tried it)

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@testerwulf3357 it's honestly very underrated, but even then, it is unfortunately not fast enough to compete for the speedrun. Also, mudkip has the added benefit of learning all required HMs, meaning you don't have to catch anything else (except for the box legendary) in the run.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You lose to Wattson, lose to Flannery, and need to catch a Surf pokemon.
      You can grind or catch pokemon to help this, but than means you are now behind pace and will never recover.
      The only other way to save time would be if Treecko was better than Latias and/or Kyogre through midgame and lategame.
      It is not.
      It gets pushed in by Winona, has no tools to deal with Golbat or Weezing well, dies even harder to Glacia, flounders against Drake, and dies screaming to Steven. It is also constantly making contact with Sharpedo which, while I can't say for sure, probably means there are items you need to use between certain fights, and possibly some pokemon Sceptile just doesn't have the HP left to survive a hit from.

  • @FishdipDeen
    @FishdipDeen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was not expecting to hear Mother 3 music. Great taste!

  • @Nocturne989
    @Nocturne989 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That Trauma Center music got me mad nostalgic though

    • @Conkel
      @Conkel ปีที่แล้ว

      The music playing at the end. What is it?

    • @rotcivmik
      @rotcivmik ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Conkel The song starting at 8:38 is Vulnerability from the Trauma Center Second Opinion OST

  • @soulsurvivor32
    @soulsurvivor32 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I used lastias in sword and shield for a while and lemme tell ya, this thing has milotic defense, but it's on steroids. It's defense is what it makes it so good, along with that good speed. Like latios, they have access to thunderbolt, calm mind and ice beam! I'm not sure if they're available in Oras but I guarantee it gets it now. It's a good pokemon but I don't like the fact I have to calm mind before doing real damage

    • @UltraAryan10
      @UltraAryan10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Latias was always supposed to be the defense version but unfortunately the overall idea of the Pokemon is way better for offensive purposes so Latias always seems to be better even for Calm Mind sets.

  • @colony30sshittyproudbanner
    @colony30sshittyproudbanner ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's so funny, because my favorite pokemon game to this day is alpha Sapphire. Maybe I'll try speedrunning it at some point, who knows

  • @caldw615
    @caldw615 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just curious, if the early stages of AS are so difficult due to water types like Carvana/Sharpedo then why not use Treecko as the starter instead? Grass would still do well against the first Gym and the aqua grunts, and it learning Absorb/Mega Drain would still give it STAB that's neutral to fighting types while letting it recover a bit to compensate for lower defense.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not worth using Grovyle! It gets walled harder by worse threats than Carvanha. (Rivals/Gyms)

    • @caldw615
      @caldw615 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PulseEffects Didn't expect a reply haha. I was just wondering if it would have at least done up until you reached Latias and then could be boxed for the rest of the game since you couldn't do that in the original Ruby and Sapphire so early.

    • @Hyperneosonic97
      @Hyperneosonic97 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@caldw615 Then you'd also have to waste time capturing Pokemon to use the required HMs with. This is why Mudkip is so much better- it also learns every required HM so you don't have to spend time on captures.

    • @caldw615
      @caldw615 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@Hyperneosonic97 Ah that's true, I forgot there's like 3 HM's just for traversing water in this game alone.

    • @Hyperneosonic97
      @Hyperneosonic97 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@caldw615 Even were it not for that, though, Grovyle would face huge problems once you reached Flannery, since Grovyle isn't anywhere near strong enough to deal with her Torkoal (heck, even taking out her Slugma is a tough one), without excessive grinding and Flannery is before you get access to Latias.

  • @auroraborealis9763
    @auroraborealis9763 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love this pokemon game so much its my childhood i spent hundreds of hours playing it and i caught my first shiny. Sadly i lost the cartridge. Rest in peace my lvl 100 shiny magicarp named god you will always have a special place in my heart

    • @ellachino4799
      @ellachino4799 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ... your 3ds should still have the data...?

  • @alucardthespy5539
    @alucardthespy5539 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lati-O-s is for Omega Ruby because of the O
    Lati-A-s is for Alpha Sapphire because of the A
    Makes sense to me.

  • @1ledluverjlp
    @1ledluverjlp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An "HM friend". Taking the safe route huh

  • @dabondemhaders4828
    @dabondemhaders4828 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At least the aqua admin bad asf

  • @coyotai9474
    @coyotai9474 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    beautiful video, really well put together, yeah the red 1 is wayy better than the blue one, so im happy its in alpha cos id rather have it than the blue guy

  • @SonicTheCutehog
    @SonicTheCutehog ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I guess that makes it fair since Sapphire was by far the best version to speedrun, so Omega Ruby is by far the best version to speedrun for the remakes.

  • @Permanently_Salty
    @Permanently_Salty ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah yes, my favorite pokemon: Kyogree

  • @abarette_
    @abarette_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

    hey at least they don't have Freeze-Dry

    • @darkfiredragon3410
      @darkfiredragon3410 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 2nd Glalie does have Freeze-Dry, actually.

  • @lewdjustice567
    @lewdjustice567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got stuck when he said "Kyogree"

    • @blaym4271
      @blaym4271 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had to pause the video for a solid 30 seconds

  • @dogf421
    @dogf421 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    ive always thought pokemon speedrunning was kinda insane cause when you push things that far the game seems to be pure luck (which is fun in its own way but very different from other speed runs)

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly why I love Pokemon Speedruns!

    • @RustingPeace
      @RustingPeace ปีที่แล้ว

      as a kid i after beating the game like 2-3 times i always speedrunned the games for the legendaries to trade them

  • @lucideirune1635
    @lucideirune1635 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you have another 3DS with the Eon Ticket, you can send an eon ticket to your other game and get Latios after defeating Kyogre.

  • @Lee-fw5bd
    @Lee-fw5bd ปีที่แล้ว

    This is informative and all but I do find the end kind of funny. They have the sheer willpower to... finish the game!

  • @goaway9923
    @goaway9923 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when/where does the cutscene between 0:00 and 0:08 come from? I don't remember it and I'm really curious

    • @Red-hy8df
      @Red-hy8df 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      it's from when you travel on kyogre/groudon's back and fight their primal form

  • @SparenofIria
    @SparenofIria ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nicknaming Latias Latios is hilarious!

  • @mishmishb
    @mishmishb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:25 in to the video and I could swear my spotify is playing quietly in the background, nope that's just the backing track of the video. Home - Resonance if anyone is interested :D

  • @Blizzard7373
    @Blizzard7373 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was my first game so special place in my heart

  • @SilentOnion
    @SilentOnion ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4:22 "latiASS" :DD?

  • @DarkKnightofHeaven
    @DarkKnightofHeaven 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's important to note that OHKO moves aren't a flat 30% and their accuracy changes based on level. your of a lower level than the pokemon using it, the accuracy increases by 1% for each level. In all of the instances shown, since Kyogre was level 50, Walrein's sheer cold was a 34% chance to hit, so in theory a slightly higher than 1 in 3 chance, which is way scarier of a situation.

  • @megasartshack
    @megasartshack ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sheer cold has the same chance to hit (4% higher in this case as people have pointed out) as Scald has a chance to burn. And anyone who has played showdown or in-game competitive during gen 5-8 will know, that's high enough to be very painful indeed.

  • @phantomstarsx9343
    @phantomstarsx9343 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Would... would it maaaaybe be better to use the treeko line? All of the issues seem to be water type pokemon, and aside from the ice/water combo at the end sceptile may be able to hit harder

    • @Elzoic
      @Elzoic ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My guess is that aside from team aqua, mudkip does better against all other trainers. Like I could see wattson giving players a hard time, due to the possibility of paralysis, as well as flannery being a pain too. Also you need something that can use surf as well so you’d have to waste time finding another surfer, cause even if latias can learn surf you need to surf to get to her. I am sure there are a ton of other factors as well, but I’m i guess that’s why they call this speedrun a mess.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Like most Grass Pokemon, Rival fights kinda ruin its potential. I'm pretty sure it doesn't learns the HMs we need either.

    • @ultimaterecoil1136
      @ultimaterecoil1136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well for one treecko can’t learn every required hm so not an option. This is without considering how bad it is for rival fights. If surf is required you use the water starter just sometimes you catch something to use instead like in gen 1 how people use nidoking

    • @Official_ViperYT
      @Official_ViperYT ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would for speedruns but we would need a second pokemon for surf and waterfall and dive. And swampernt learns em all

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PulseEffects not all rival fights. It *does* eventually get swords dance + dig. But rival 2 is a biiiiig pain in the butt, especially because combusken isn't even weak to rock tomb, lol.

  • @harrymillar4193
    @harrymillar4193 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Latias is my favourite out of the two because I just like her :) Sapphire was the game I chose when I was a lil’un and it’s what I picked when the remakes came out.
    Heck, I picked White during Gen 5 and then when the sequels were up for grabs, I had to pick Black 2, which conflicts with the story but I Latias was exclusive to B2!

  • @rainbowtheanimator9901
    @rainbowtheanimator9901 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know it requires friendship, but I would've expected to see water pledge involved in this video

  • @gabs3147
    @gabs3147 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nothing but bangers in the background

  • @dankdankeryetdanker2726
    @dankdankeryetdanker2726 ปีที่แล้ว

    That thumbnail is so good.

  • @Ddoublechin
    @Ddoublechin ปีที่แล้ว

    Love all the hoenn content lately

  • @Spiney09
    @Spiney09 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me who nuzlocked Alpha Saphire last week: I wish I had known this before.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mmm.
      In a Nuzkocke, Sapphire is probably much more even, but still a bit harder in account of how universally free Camerupt is. Anyone can fish up a Luvdisc or a Maril, slap Surf on it, and send Camerupt to sleep.
      But Latias is probably the better fit for a Nuzlocke (if you use it), Lotad is a way better pickup than Shiftry, Sableye makes Brawly free, ect

    • @Spiney09
      @Spiney09 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 to be fair, most of Alpha saphire is free, given how easy the trainers are.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Spiney09 I mean, yeah, but complacency is how death snowballs begin

    • @Spiney09
      @Spiney09 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 that’s fair, but even staying under level caps and not having rare candy cheats, I only ever lost two mons. One to a sad crit in the first gym, and the other against Steven’s Metagross. So it wasn’t too bad.

  • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
    @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is the TM for Thunder accessable mid run? Because Kyogre with Thunder could help a lot

    • @Celestia282
      @Celestia282 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thunder is only available in the Lilycove Department Store, which is locked behind an optional Brendan fight that I'm guessing speedrunners skip.

    • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
      @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Celestia282 I wasn't sure if it was like that in ORAS, so I guess the question is if it's faster (or even possible) to beat Brendan and get Thunder or not. Because I can't imagine using a Kyogre without Thunder, so Alpha Sapphire 100% got hit there then lol

  • @redzawsome
    @redzawsome ปีที่แล้ว

    when u remember that it works on level so if u kyorge is lower level then walrien sheer cold has a higher chance to hit

  • @rickastley3033
    @rickastley3033 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ive never heard anyone pronounce kyogre as kyogree before

  • @TimothyDexter247
    @TimothyDexter247 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kyogr- the fuck did you just call it!?

  • @MiBrin
    @MiBrin ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite remakes by far. They were jusz beautiful

  • @d007ization
    @d007ization 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Primal Kryo has way higher Sp. A. than the OG, right? Is the Orb transformation that much slower than a 2hko as a opposed to a 3hko?

  • @ibrahim6192
    @ibrahim6192 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The way he says latias
    Lmao

  • @Gamesmarts194
    @Gamesmarts194 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait wouldn't the Sheet Cold problem also exist in Omega Ruby also? Or does Groudon or Latias outspeed and one-shot with stab moves or something?

  • @thepracticeofchaos5629
    @thepracticeofchaos5629 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:10 During my Pokemon Platinum Nuzlocke, the K.O. attack was used on my Pokemon 4 times, and it hit 3 times... 30% is a lot when an AI attacks

  • @averagepersonafan2718
    @averagepersonafan2718 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tartarus theme is crazy

  • @radaf4429
    @radaf4429 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Please never say Kyogre again

  • @LukeA471
    @LukeA471 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where is the extra e in Kyogre? I'm not seeing it

  • @kstanni87
    @kstanni87 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    lol i play omega ruby and primal groudon is indeed very overpowered for becoming immune to and shutting down water moves.
    And if your Groudon is slower its ability will come AFTER Kyogre shutting down Primordial Sea.

  • @AS34N
    @AS34N ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ide be curious to see her A.I.'s strat..
    It takes 3 hits from a level 50 kyogre (bar any crits) to take that walrean out...the AI has to always see a kill with sheer cold reguardless of players health, right? So what's the percentage rate she actually goes with it over surf or something? Anyone know?

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think trainers usually pick the move that's super effective (unless you're at low health, they they just randomly pick one sometimes using a non-effective which allows to survive and kill them..Idk what's going on there honestly? Maybe some build in "they're almost dead, time to take it a little easier on them"?)

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it's something chance-based of "I either use the move I calculated to do the most damage or a move that I don't see as damaging", although the latter category isn't exactly intuitive. Also, the AI seems to be unable to calculate the power of variable strength moves like return. Also, the chance to either attack or do something else, seems to be affected by both pokemon's HP, how much damage the attacking move does and individual trainer preferences.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      1HKO moves are generally treated as status moves
      The AI doesn't consider them proper damaging moves, and will only use them if they aren't prioritizing anything else, barring special AI.
      Basically.
      While Kyogre is outside of KO range of any of Walrein's attacks, Walrein will use any of its moves at random, unless one of those moves has some kind of "unacceptable" tag, like using Hail while the weather is still Hail, or something.
      As soon as Walrein sees a possible KO roll on an attack it as, it will try and use that move (or any move it has that shares a KO roll, regardless of which is the "best"), and will no longer pull Sheer Cold, same as it would if it, for example, knew Defense Curl.

  • @Doodleduderocks
    @Doodleduderocks ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro said Kyo-gree

  • @yoredpanda4ishot
    @yoredpanda4ishot 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which starter is you guys favorite?

  • @MachineLord42
    @MachineLord42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now I don’t know speed running in this game besides this video so this might be a silly question but why not take Treeko instead of mudkip if you have to go up against Aqua?

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1. You're not using your starter after you get Lati@s in either game, it's faster to dump exp on just one pokemon. So Treeko isn't helping with the later Aqua fights, because it's being replaced.
      2. Mudkip struggles against one Aqua grunt, but makes up for it against Wattson and Flannery.
      3. Treeko struggles against a LOT more than one Aqua grunt, and frankly probably is entirely incapable of beating Flannery under these conditions. It's also not doing better than Latias is against everything else, so you're not using it over Latias. Again, not even sure if Sceptile CAN beat Winona under these conditions, so you're not going to be able to use it over Latias. Honestly there's probably a lot of other trainers that are hard on Treeko, too, those are just the notable ones.

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 I've done treeko main runs on both version (always use AS, trust me, you don't want to face koffings midgame e_e) and it can beat flannery by switching to a death fodder poke (which you will have to catch anyways because you need something that can swim) to reduce slugma's special attack so that you can setup 2 swords dances (slugma usually uses light screen and sunny day because it loves those moves for some reason). You can then kill everything with a soft sand boosted dig (soft sand you can get from smashing rocks, but doing that is a bit annoying to say the least). Depending on your level and your stats, torkoal will be a pretty nasty range at +4 though :/ So you will probably need some extra levelling but that might not be that bad because that training makes Norman kinda free.
      Other than that, yeah you pretty much summed it up. It Is still a fun poke to run, tho

  • @lambtoken2708
    @lambtoken2708 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They DARE talk shit about my Latias??? That's it. I'm gonna speedrun their lives

    • @IschmarVI
      @IschmarVI 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd recommend doing it on the faster version though, which is omega ruby.

  • @jjnix9517
    @jjnix9517 ปีที่แล้ว

    I normally have a zigzagoon for surf and give waterfall to swampert

  • @X9Z17
    @X9Z17 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came for the video, stayed for the Mother 3 OST.

  • @cooldude-qz1gf
    @cooldude-qz1gf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro I literally just got apha sapphire on my ds, but lucky im not doing a speedrun lol