How Capitalism Destroys Feminism
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- You all probably remember the girlboss phenomenon of the last decade. Neoliberal individualism infested the west's once-emancipatory feminist theory and praxis and turned it into a hollow, performative act by upper class white women. What's the deal? Let's talk a bit about neoliberal "girlboss" feminism.
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I love learning from your videos, but they make me more upset after every one of them. It feels like everything is bad news
Hey man just a question, why is Engels so overlooked? The guy had decent thoughts and finished das Kapital.
@@cow2hug483 The Luigi of communism
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Maybe, the BBC movie 'Adventures In Space and Time' about the creation of 'Doctor Who' - the 1st show at the BBC with a woman producer 'Verity Lambert'. - they expected the show to fail so that they could blame the woman. It didn't work that way.
Calling them girlbosses instead of just bosses makes me think of this quote
"Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender rolls it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo" -Knuckles the Echidna
LMAO I LOVE YOU
There
I don't have pronouns. You will refer to me only by my name; shadow the hedgehog
wtf lmao
Girl Boss: But I wanna oppress just like the guys. That's equality to me.
"GirlBoss" is now slang for "Woman who's been sucked into an MLM scam."
lolol
Truth!
This is the most prominent association I have with the term, for sure!
not all mlm are scam tho
@@esatd34 Nah, they all are. Sure, a few people can make money at them, but only by throwing everyone else under the bus. Somewhere between 80-99% of people lose money in MLMs. You're better off working at Walmart.
Edit: I see you're with Herbalife. Oh honey no. Noooo. Get out now.
I never could get into the lean-in movement because that executive literally had a nanny that kept her baby at her office with her while regular workers had to scramble to find childcare. The hypocrisy.
True. There's not one rich person on this planet that isn't a hyprocrite.
even having a nanny or access to day-care in general is a lot more than most people.
Catherine, the great, agrees with Sheryl Sandberg.
The perks of being a capitalist exploiting the working class and selling lies to the masses
@@Nuke_Gunray oh surely there are honest assholes out there
Lol I will never get over neo-liberalism. You couldn't design a more frustrating ideology in a lab
Tbf the divine right of kings theory was even more cringe
@@josue.ortega i mean at least feudalism gave us job security and the kings admitted that they were killing people
Feudalism: You peasants have a hereditary right to the commons.
Neo-liberalism: You peasants are a commodity.
I get you, but never forget about fascism.
@@ArgueWithTheMajority less frustrating still lol, worse for sure
Out with girlboss, in with GirlComrade
Or as I said in 2018,
Broke: #BanBossy
Woke: #BanBosses
Why do you hate women?
@@cobracommander8133 why do you eat dirt
Agg
My new aesthetic
Great video! For even further reading, Audre Lorde and Bell Hooks made related arguments decades ago ✊
Feminism is a meaningless word in 2023. So much of it has developed into pro-capitalism and a complete denigration of male issues (it’s not okay to shame women for having sex by calling them sluts, and it’s not okay to shame men for not having sex by calling them incels…yet feminists have no problem with the latter, do they?)
Yo it’s the TH-cam goat
Bell Hooks gets to the root of this sooooo well
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Yo Tay! You watch Second Thought like us? I even saw you on Adam Somethings video! We can do truly great things together, our based and redpilled soul.
We need diversity of THOUGHT, not just of hide or plumbing. Capitalism, no matter who wields it, always demands, encourages, and rewards ruthlessness.
@@capturedflame Sociopaths win in every system, market-oriented capitalism just does it openly.
@@erkinalp Aren't there numerous studies that literally said that the higher up in the capitalist system you climb, the more psychopaths and sociopaths there are?
I really like the use of the word 'plumbing' here for some reason.
@@erkinalp So therefore lets keep the statusquo as is. We wouldnt want to rock the boat would we?
You think this is the pinnacle lf human endeavour or innovation? We cant possibly find alternatives to capitalism?
Well you heard it here folks. Just give up. Humanity will never progress any further than capitalism and we will never grow past it as a civilization.
Yeah no. Thats just a convenient excuse on your part to ignore the glaring flaws in the current model.
WHAT? I thought it was the norm!! I've been lied to... :(
I can’t believe we really thought calling our selves girl bosses was powerful like omg I get second hand embarrassment just thinking about it lol…
@Zaydan Alfariz yep! Unfortunately. Real power is tangible, feeling empowered and being empowered are two different things…
@Zaydan Alfariz
We can discuss issues like the “pay gap” and “working environment” without making blatantly absurd statements like “feminism has no real power”, when women’s issues are CONSTANTLY addressed by society and men’s issues are literally mocked and laughed at.
@Zaydan Alfariz In western civilization those things do not exist. On a contrary, women have quotas for certain professions, there is unfriendliness but it is directed toward men, and harems are not a thing, in fact, women don't want to be in marriage if their partner is not among some who comprise only 15 percent of all free men.
@Zaydan Alfariz
Maybe you should try to empower men who feel emotionally neglected as well? Or is emotional neglect of men not important, because they need to “man up”…?
@Zaydan Alfariz Thailand? I am speaking about the western world, problems in the Muslim world, and some countries like Thailand are a different topic. There the problem is religion, not capitalism.
Let me get this straight. A wealthy executive of a powerful multi-national corporation co-opted feminism, and added aspects of trickle down economics, and sold it as a book to young women looking for liberation. Sounds about right.
Great work as always JT. ❤
Co-opting movements and ultimately degrading them has been their tactic for a long time. "Woke" was originally about raising awareness about sexual abuse and misogyny, but then they piled on all these other things and meanings that it became unpalatable. BLM was raising awareness of police brutality, but then we have cops infiltrating it to start riots.
see also- hustle culture and #grindset
symptoms of a problem, not an avenue to 'liberation'...
@@grumpyoldman6503 yes these terrible ideas of putting all the responsibility on individuals is exactly the same across the genders, and all it really serves is all those above you
It's completely wrong though. Feminism has real ideological problems It's a cop out to pretend capitalism did that.
@@oraz.How? Inherently, all feminism is is striving for total equality, it is only some misguided people that follow dumber versions of it.
So great. Pointing out that neoliberal Feminism is hurting true feminstic goals is long overdue. Thanks for that!
Feminism only helps a certain race of woman doesn’t include the others
If the boot on your neck has a high heel, it's still a boot on your neck.
Maybe that's the type of Feminists I had dealt with, I don't support feminism because I had bad interactions with feminists since of how they had acted.
Btw, I'm for women's rights and if a women has her rights threatened I'm willing to help them, I just don't support feminists.
honestly ive been trying to make this point to everyone around me fo a while now
@Meow meow Mc Purrington this is the same logic as "I don't hate LGBT people I just don't support LGBT"
The best thing that came out of Neoliberal Feminism is the phrase "I may have girlbossed too close to the sun"
Haha! I've never heard that line before somehow... Reminds me of an Andrea Dworkin quote, ironically and fittingly enough in the context of neoliberal feminism, lol:
“Does the sun ask itself, ‘Am I good? Am I worthwhile? Is there enough of me?’ No, it burns and it shines. Does the sun ask itself, ‘What does the moon think of me? How does Mars feel about me today?’ No it burns, it shines. Does the sun ask itself, ‘Am I as big as other suns in other galaxies?’ No, it burns, it shines.”
Using it ironically for comedic reasons is keeping my sanity in tact
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves, and they are normal people, not some perfect angels. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@maiiabakhova2474 The patriarchy is a direct result of our capitalist system. To fight the patriarchy without fighting capitalism is like cutting a weed with scissors, it'll just grow back. The only solution to the patriarchy is to tear out the root, Capitalism. The Girlboss is representive of capitalism trying to claim feminism to save face aswell as misleading some of the potential strongest advocates for socialism into believing capitalism is thr only way
fr no cap lol
My sister-in-law used to work for Hobby Lobby. Her supervisor accidentally told her she was never going to get a management position because she was a married female and therefore had a high likelihood of getting pregnant. She did eventually get pregnant, but only because her doctor literally wouldn't allow her to get her tubes tied because he felt he knew better than her what was best for her. She doesn't work for Hobby Lobby anymore. She got laid off during COVID where her work said stupid nonsense like, "God will watch over you." Even funnier, they desperately offered her a management position after she announced she was quitting.
Even at my job which has several female managers, I've been accused of being too out-spoken and too "aggressive." They just want a bunch of Yes NPC's, not actual thinkers.
Yes management positions are a complete waste of talent for the creative types. I know I’m one of them. Although it can be useful for a leftist to gain a position in management in order to protect your coworkers or even to facilitate organizing with a company, we do so at great risk. I can’t imagine the difficulty that would mean for actual leftist women attempting to do so, the odds are increasingly stacked against all of us. Solidarity to all working people of the world!
@@DecolonialGato Not only that but you're still bound by the orders of the people above you, no matter how stupid or damaging they might be. So it seems you have to be high enough to make the rules, which essentially means working for headquarters.
@@suicune2001 It's rules all the way to the top. Unless you are one of those rare CEOs who owns a majority stock, there is always someone above telling you what to do, and ready to replace you if you don't do whatever it takes to bring in profits and quarterly growth.
@@nikalasguadagnino1296 WOW! O_O That's next level dedication!
@@vylbird8014 Oh right. I forgot about the almighty shareholders. Well, crap.
My wife and I always struggled to understand what role she should play when we decided to have kids. She was constantly told she could have it all, yet we never could understand how that was possible when it was basically all on her shoulders to accomplish that. Even with my support, it's extremely challenging to have a career AND raise kids without social support.
Why is her role questioned, but not yours? It still seems like we are putting undue responsibility on women to take on more of the caregiving and homemaking work.
@@pisceanbeauty2503 I should have clarified that we struggled to understand her role in the context of feminism. Neither of us saw examples of empowered women in our growing up years. We both wanted her to do more than just be a homemaker like our conservative upbringing told us. I had to learn how to be more supportive in household tasks, because I never saw good examples of that growing up. But in the context of feminism and helping her be more empowered, we struggled to learn exactly what that meant.
@@gregorynuttall Thank you for clarifying! Not that you need my advice at this stage, but ultimately you have to do what makes best sense for the both of you and gives you two greatest peace of mind regardless of what anyone in society says.
We also can't pretend that biological roles aren't innate. The confusion you two felt is because you're fighting against the process born out of millions of years of evolution. I watched it twice with my children being born. Despite my wife being an incredibly high caliber professional in the accounting world she felt totally drawn to motherhood and has grown to resent the feminist voices telling her these powerful feelings aren't natural. My advice? Ignore the voices of people claiming it isn't innate and encourage your wife to lean into being a mother. She will thank you for it.
@@pandorasboxduluth i mean, the dogmatic high demand religion we were a part of played a bigger role with the struggle than biological factors I think. We don't deny both of our evolutionary tendencies in being parents, but we felt we needed to discard the 1950's nuclear family idea, and explore what made our life more our own. We both work, we both nurture our kids, and we both take care of household chores.
Also the term girl boss has become a red flag indicating that someone may be in a multi-level marketing scheme.
fr no cap it is mostly
The concept of the ‘girlboss’ is also a key tool of modern fascism. Women ‘breaking the glass ceiling’ is celebrated uncritically without people considering that they’re celebrating the election of Giorgia “Mussolini woman” Meloni as a great achievement for women. Seriously. She’s set to create the farthest right Italian Government since Mussolini.
an edit: i have realized i made a mistake, in that *this was already said in the video. i will now proceed to shrivel up and die.*
Its the same thing they did with Thatcher. The system that creates politicians enables and actively encourages ruthlessness. The women and men that get to the top need to be equally sociopathic. Women like Thatcher and men like Reagan are the same person, despite the "breaking of the glass ceiling" that female leaders are credited for. Giorgia Meloni is the latest in this collective urge to rebrand cutthroat sociopathic leaders as a benefit for women everywhere.
This
Don't shrivel and die, I too make comments before I've watched the whole video.
Paid the price of commenting first and watching later, a cautionary tale, please stay safe
man, Iv been there before lol
The advice given in neoliberal feminism really just seems like advice given for hustle culture, but they made it female orientated to have a point of difference.
e.g. Your personal circumstances aren't what is holding you back, you're the one who's holding you back. Liz Holmes did it, you can too 🙄
I really like the phrasing of “reproductive work”. People tout “caring for your family” as work-life balance, ignoring the fact that caring for your family is a form of work.
Sure, it's work. But who should pay for it? Should the taxpayer automatically pay for the care of every child brought into this world? Doing my household chores is also work, but I don't expect the taxpayer to pay for me to do them or to arrange for someone else to do them unless I'm physically unable to do so.
@@randeknight Ideally, the partner pays for it. People used to be able to support families on a single income. Unfortunately wages have stagnated and that's no longer possible for most people. So people doing reproductive work have to also do paid work in order to pay for the care of their families. The result is burnout and exhaustion. So either we need to raise wages or indeed let the taxpayer pay for it in the form of free childcare or family benefits. It's different from household chores (which btw also often fall on the shoulders of the one doing reproductive work) because those aren't a full time job.
@@randeknight These children will keep the country running and pay your pension when you are too old work, so yes, you should pay for them.
@@randeknight taxpayers do in part pay for reproductive work. That's what state funded schools or kindergartens are, and it's more common/better done in other countries than the USA
@@stratosphere2323 No it's not. *Being expected or forced* to be a wife and mother is oppression. Choosing to be so because you want it isn't.
As I always say, we don't need girl-bosses. We need girl-unions.
we dont need that either we need decent mothers who make decent mothers
@@hxxdiec428 that's only half of a very important but irrelevant issue.
@Hxxdie C Yet another example of the neoliberal myth of motherhood
@@3_pancakes767 its not irrelevant because if mothers are the foundation of our society. they're incentivized to take the fathers out the home and get awarded for it. if people had decent mothers single women led households wouldnt be a majority
@Zaydan Alfariz i mean its a fact u can disagree
So basically women gaslighting other women that they're the problem rather than systemic issues. Classic pulling the ladder up after them. I worked so hard everyone else needs to be more like me #GirlBoss
*_"I worked so hard everyone needs to be like me"_*
That's just literally "stop being poor" vibes. Yeah, I'm fairly positive the poor black woman in africa just needs to be born from rich parents.
Just like what men do. Not so different afterall.
Why is it the privileged white woman's job to lift out of poverty every minority woman in the world? Why does feminism need to undertake to solve all the problems caused by the men in power, still in power, they have the power, hello?? Lol this is strange...
Every rich feminist doesn't have to know all about all the poor women in the world. Stop being racist. Black women can wrote about their own experience, how the heck will anyone else do it???
@@14104cope
This is largely the reason I tend to sigh and shake my head in response to rightists treating "liberal" and "leftist" as interchangeable terms. Anyone with even a cursory understanding of politics would know that liberal ideology and leftist ideology are fundamentally at odds with one another.
the 'freedom' part embedded in both tends to confuse them, I think.
AS always: "Whether it's reactionary Republicans of the far-Right, or neoliberal Wall St. Democrats of the near-Right, they're both heading to the same destination.
All that's being debated are optics & velocity."
They are not at odds. _Liberal_ is just a dimension of its own on the political map. It can be combined with right as well as left approaches. The term _neoliberal_ is not chosen well, it usually describes politics which are rather on the right side of liberalism. There is nothing neo about it actually.
@@thamessinclair2010 liberalism might align with leftism where social issues such as queerphobia are concerned, but even then liberals are not ready to address the systemic issues of those problems if that goes against capitalism. In essence, liberals view capitalism as a valid form of economic (and politic) structuring of society, and aren't ready to see how that causes intersectional problems like sexism, racism, queerphobia etc
so even if you can say that both a liberal and a leftist would support trans rights (hopefully), the extent to which either of them are ready to change society for that, are likely pretty different
@@SMPKarma What exactly are "intersectional problems" and how are they related to capitalism? You can categorize people in an unlimited number of ways. Every categorization has intersections with any other. The problems with unfair discrimination exist regardless of intersections. Furthermore, capitalism is not only a valid form of economic and politic structuring - economic and political power _is_ always a form of capital. There is no way around that.
Girlboss? I've never even heard of the term. I'm guessing it's very America-centric.
Pretty much
I thought it was a name of a tv show. Like Gossip Girl.
First-World Problems.
The fact that you pump these out each week really speaks to the amount of work and time put into these videos, considering the quality of them stay high each week.
Thank you so much! It’s definitely an undertaking
@@SecondThought how do you do it?
@@SecondThought how do you get all the ideas out find the research so fast and well?
You could say he has an entrepreneur mindset and work ethic.
You keep bringing masterpieces of thought as always. Thank you for addressing this topic so eloquently. I have been struggling to share my thoughts on this topic to other neo liberal feminists and this really help me raising the bar on the conversation. I myself felt on the trap of girlboss pursue, and now struggle to decide what to do in mg life as I approach the end of my reproduction time and still can't afford to have a child. This environment is absurdly toxic and very few can see it.
I’m so glad I could help!
exactly! Absolutely same.
@@user-cw2nl8jr7h Even more expensive so not helpful if the issues are mostly financial.
I find it very sad that you want to have a child, but do not feel you can afford to. I feel fortunate to have 2 myself, and probably would have opted for more but we struggled enough to make ends meet with the 2 I am grateful are happy, health kids- not enough space, not enough time, not enough resources. In this dimension, capitalism has accelerated it's own demise and catalyzed a shift to 'something else' (and what that will be, I don't know but 100% it can't be what we have now) via the inevitable, grinding, banal force of demographics. Simply put- you can't have a consumer based economy with no consumers and a bunch of retirees.
The demographic bomb set off by neoliberal economics (making the simple act of procreation economically nonviable for the rational masses) will reverberate for decades, if not centuries. You see the mad knee-jerk of China (which is a worst case scenario of self-inflicted demographic damage to be fair, but they would have gotten to this point eventually regardless) now that the powers that be realize what is coming given their population has stopped growing. They will not be able to reverse the trend for the same reasons as every other country that has gotten to that point before them, and thus far failed to lift fertility rates.
So I know with great certainty capitalism's days are numbered, but I also doubt I'll be alive to see it well and truly 'fall'.
@Zaydan Alfariz I agree that everyone that wants a child should be able to have one. The very problem is... people are more and more *opting* NOT to... the reasons (IMO) are -
1. Because that is an option now for women (access to contraception, to say nothing of other family planning options)
2. Education and "liberation" with respect to workforce participation for women- simply put women can support themselves similar to men and delay children
3. The costs in time and energy relative to raising a child, particularly with respect to #2 (and which is the tension embedded in this video- that somehow you can magically "have it all" and that is the height of "feminist" achievement)
#3 can be mitigated, but the track record here for all governments that have tried to lift their fertility rate in a capitalistic social structure via just plugging the economic "hole" has been largely unsuccessful and is undermined by #1 and #2 regardless.
So unless the world goes full authoritarian Hand Maid's Tale... like I said, demographics will force a change in the world economic order within a couple of generations (climate change will also give it a push over the edge).
From a person who lives in Taiwan which becomes the lowest birth-rate country in the world of exaggerating 0.9 children per couple, and a very long work hour in Asia (more than Japan and Korea, Thanks TSMC etc for that), the perspective you told on the latter half really hits hard. Do we really need to work that much just for gpus that went to crypto miner and become e-waste??
As a person who purchased a CPU made at TSMC and actually uses it for gaming/minor content creation, thank you for your service!
Look at France. The have one of the highest birth rates, and they do a lot to help women with infants and early childhood.
Still better than a birth rate you cannot manage. I live in India and it has the highest population now, beating china. We have more people than needed, and it is a horror show everyday. People die here all the time, because there are no jobs, no enough docs, no good health care, no security, highest rapes and crimes and infinite poverty. I have seen 100 and 80 year old women and men do labor work and struggle to make money even tho they are going to die any minute, no peace till your deathbed for them. Unbriddled corruption. Child trafficking by the west because we have many poor orphan kids. The girls get sold by their parents for miney into sex work!! When i look at China, Korea, Taiwan, i see people who atleast have enough food and basic human rights that we as Indians can only dream of. You guys have high currency, standard of living, great advanced medical treatments and infrastructure. Yes, as Asians we toil and work unrealistically and thats bad. But the security you have is worth it. I love Taiwan and would sell my kidney if i get a chance to be their citizen. Just a 2 cents opinion!
Nicely done! I'm glad you're talking about this.
Another way I've heard "girlboss feminism" succinctly criticized is to say that it encourages women to embody the worst attitudes and behaviors that feminists have, for years, criticized men for.
Angela Davis has a great lecture critiquing white and Bourgeois feminism
Agreed.
So many who claim to be so incensed by the oppressive, hierarchical power-structure of "The Patriarchy," are only too happy to impose that exact same oppressive structure ..
as long as you swap out the genitalia of one or two of the oppressors.
Feminism has basic ideological problems. It's a cop out to say it's just corrupted by capitalism.
@@oraz. What’s the basic ideological problem, that women want rights?
My friend who’s brilliant, describes it as largely privileged white women who don’t actually desire gender liberation or any other type of community outside of “women”(hence the heavy presence of terfs) but they simply desire to be #1 or right beside white Men as the top dogs. To posit themselves on top.
Yes!!! The parallel can be drawn when it comes to Black Excellence in the corporate world. It's a glorified branding on awful practices.
I hate co-option for this very reason. It takes something that should be good black excellence/feminism but markets it and takes the message to sell their product.
I hate seeing the rainbow flags in June on the French, American, Canadian company twitter accounts, but it remains normal in Saudi Arabia, China, Qatar. It's pure marketing trash. They don't support the movements, they just use the marketing to further their brand. These social movements are just fashion for them.
Thank you! "Black Excellence" and "Black Girl Magic" never sat right with me. It was the branding. I understood what it was in the beginning, but just turned into something of an inner community pressure to achieve.
the co-option of any social movement by the mainstream and corporations is always cringy and hollow. like i want more than a stupid t-shirt it some fluffy post on social media
'Black Excellence' has 'Model Minority' energy.
This is exactly what people need to understand about a lot of modern "feminism". I know so many people who wholeheartedly push the incorrect version of it because they don't realise they've been entirely misled by these neoliberal ideas, and aren't actually fighting for real equality. A great partial solution you didn't mention would be implementing equal paternity leave, and lengthening leave in general, both of which have been shown to work better in Scandinavia.
Feminism was never about "equality" 🤣🤣🤣 why do men mock women for talking about equality, mock women for challenging them to a boxing match, and then whine about how feminism doesn't make us equal? Feminism has always been about womensliberation. Equality has always been an anti feminist subversive lie
"Oh you want equality huh? Do now I can b3at you like a man!" That's what "equality" is for when men refer to it. For tearing women up. You can have equality when you grow up and start acting like adults, in the meantime stop whining about equality and just let women live our lives, it's not that hard. Sorry if for all of history your muscles have been important and now your testosterone is a detriment to your employability, sorry if you're not as adapted anymore, sorry if you're being left behind, adapt or go the way of Darwin. Stop demanding to be coddled.
Thank you so much! Whenever this topic comes up I have to think of Angela Davis' incredible book "Woman, Race & Class" that basically tackles how this very same division was a major issue during the suffragette movement in the beginning of the 20th century. And just to mention her because she deserves it: Alexandra Kollontai had very strong opinions on what she called "bourgeois feminism".
Probably my favorite piece of artwork from that time period is the poem "Bread and Roses" it has everything that all people ask for, regardless of race, creed, gender, sexuality, or class.
It may have been a response by the women of the Lawrence Textile Strike, but everything they fought for is a stark contrast to what is pushed by the mainstream corporate world (who seem to never get enough of the "girlboss" trope)
Are you aware that “suffragette” is a derogatory term? Suffragist is the correct term. 😊
@@1LaOriental I wasn't thank you!
Nevertheless Angela Davis pointed out that although white women privilege made their help often misdirected, but no man, black men included, have been of any help at all. Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@@maiiabakhova2474 If you actually watched the video then I absolutely do not understand where you get this conclusion from honestly. 🙂
I remember when this "girl boss" thing started happening. My ex was really into it (of course she came from a super privileged background). I remember just thinking "great, the new feminism is just to turn women into the exact kind of men they should be against" - Heartless, super-greedy, self-centered capitalists. Great video!
I agree about the childcare part ....women are expected to do it all ....work, husband ,kids, errands,clean,cook,laundry and if something is off balance you just need to time management better smh. Child care is a huge expense and many just chose to stay home which the neoiberals look down on even though it just makes sense economically.
Who is creating this expectation?
@@SneakySteevy Society
@@RosesAndIvy It’s only been since 30 years that more women are working.
Nature want the women take care of the children and want the men to protect and provide. It’s like that since forever because it’s our nature. That is EXACTLY what is happening right now in Ukraine. Women take care and men protect. That is how it is naturally work and what we are designed to do.
We are not in a state of nature right now so we have the lux to try things (like women that leave their childrens to another women and go work) but it’s just because of society itself that women can do that.
@@SneakySteevy so nature is creating this expectation? Then fuck nature
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
Having a child is too expensive for me. I'm black (living in a very white environment), disabled, have chronic illnesses, autistic, mental health issues, learning disabilities, AFAB queer. The system loathes me and I was judged for it, so I either stay at home to be a house partner while selling art and take care of our home or I'm doing volunteering work, because not even McDonald's is interested in me.
I'm learning to code right now and I'll keep trying to make the best out of it but I can't say it's not hard when I'm in constant pain. Even typing hurts
I'm very sorry for you. I wish you find joy in something to at least counterbalance the pain or something, it's hard to even properly comprehend your situation and think of good wishes...
@@emanuelneagu14 thank you, that's very kind of you
I was a conservative in my teenage years and drifted further left into liberalism in my early adulthood. Still, as a liberal, some things just felt out of place. For example, I knew feminism was worth supporting, but something just felt *off* with how the mainstream went about it. This can be said about so many social issues. There was something out of place with how affluent individuals and companies promoted progressive ideals. Recently, as I discovered Marxism, I realized it has immense explanatory power. Things that felt off are now falling squarely into place, and I like to think I'm finally starting to see the world through a more objective lens. Your videos have helped me immensely in this journey, and I believe many others in this comment section feel the same. Thank you so much for doing this
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Good for you Lucas! I hope many more young people like yourself will open their eyes to the truth! 👏
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Felt! I’m the same. Grew up conservative but drifted left to liberal but still felt something was off and not enough. Finding the left and socialist has been so refreshing
Thank you for practising capitalism.
I had a friend call me this and I wasn't even really sure what it meant. When she explained it to me it just seemed weird. Like no, I was being the BOSS. I am not a girlboss. There is nothing special about what I was doing. That it has to be set distinct from some other form of bossery just because girl is ridiculous.
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@@maiiabakhova2474 get a life, eventually
While I agree with this critique, we do need to be mindful that a lot of the voices against “girl boss” feminism or “white feminism” are not looking to create a more radical or inclusive feminism or decenter capitalistic achievement as success but simply want fewer women in public spaces or want to promote more conservative ideologies under the guise of “choice”. I see a lot of sly conservatism coming in under the banner of legitimate critiques of these concepts, it’s something to be cognizant of.
True.
True, when you critique neoliberal/white/choice feminism. Misogynists use the environment to reinforce crap not realising you’re advocating for a radical form of feminism : intersectional or Marxist feminism.
You need to read Angela Davis. Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@@maiiabakhova2474 they are equal to men, Angela Davis acknowledges that in her books about class. Women being oppressed is no excuse for upper-class women to oppress women of color and the working class, you as an upper-middle-class woman need to check and understand your own privilege. Understanding that some women will face unique difficulties that other more privileged women do is not a divide-and-conquer strategy but is just something called intersectional feminism something Angela Davis writes about and advocates for. In her books, she talks about the experience of being a black woman compared to white women because white women are more privileged. This idea that all women share the same exact issues is classic white feminism. Reproductive work is a Marxist feminist concept and so is the critique of the girlboss. Do not forget Angela Davis is a communist and applied those Marxist concepts in her works.
Look at Kim Kardashian for your prime example of this girl boss concept in action, her company skims are accused of withholding workers' wages, refusing to pay overtime, and not giving meal breaks, and her company is stated to be worse than Shein when it comes to environmental impact. This is the exact thing that capitalists do they delude you into thinking that they are more inclusive by saying look we have women in the billionaire class while ignoring those women can be as evil as men with their treatment of workers, they say this while massive industries lobby against things that would benefit working-class women like paid maternity leave, who make up the majority of women.
I've been writing a book on these issues for the last several years, as well as some issues like androsexism, right wing women, etc. And I'm so glad to see other people talking about it, because feminism as a movement has been severely reduced to a neoliberal, individualistic, defanged set of "personal" opinions (being fragmented into "well, MY feminism is blah blah blah") co-opted by a handful of sociopolitical and cultural forces rather than a collective radical movement it once was, as well as one that was finally starting to address issues faced by not just white elitist women before it basically died (and my book is about how it died but also how it can be revived again as an intersectional collective movement again)...
I'm also glad to see if I get to finish the book (which has been difficult as a single disabled mom of two young babies, lol) that there will be at least some interest in the subject, which lately it's seemed like there may not be lately, tbh. Thank you as always for the phenomenal content you produce, but also for the unexpected extra source of motivation to finish my next draft of it!
I’d love to compare and trade sources with you. I’ve been working on a book in this realm for a bit too, mostly about the history of class exploitation and debunking the “we only get paid so little because women work now” argument that I heard too often from men in university.
My thesis is essentially that women have always worked (inside and outside the home) but not always as paid employees, that men of specific classes have always been underpaid and exploited by the ruling class, that women *formally* joining the workforce didn’t demote mens pay, and that the ruling class/corporations have only supported feminist movements up to the point that it provided them with more bodies to exploit.
My background is actually in psych and specialized in trauma and attachment theory so I’m making connections between the traumas of the World Wars, how they were(n’t) handled, and how that has contributed to our current economic structure and family-work culture.
I’m planning a wedding this year so I’ve really slowed down on my research but seeing more people passionate about this general area of study regarding feminism and class/the workforce™ has me hopeful and excited to get back into it again. I would definitely read your book 📕
@BunniOfSocks That sounds AWESOME! And I would love to help however I can! Heads up, this is probably gonna be long as heck because I'm super passionate about it, lol. It might get ranty. But I'll list some sources to other reads at the end and think about some to give as I go along...
My background is primarily in sociology and women's studies, with most of my sociological research background being related to the sex industry and homelessness, both of which I also have personal experience with that led to my academic and professional work on both (I've taken a small break from my book lately as well to focus on some family issues and other activist stuff I've been working on - I'm starting a TH-cam channel on another account around issues involving the nonprofit industrial complex, so I can relate on taking a break from writing, lol).
I think that's also so awesome you have a psych background. I've always felt there's not enough people in the field of psychology looking at macro-level issues and not being hyper focused on solely the micro-level, and I'm really interested in attachment issues and other related topics you mentioned, too. (For a lot of reasons, but I also consume a lot of work from Gabor Maté and some others in my spare time too, as well as his son Aaron for other completely different issues, lol.)
That's pretty spot on with summing it up. Women have always worked, but the kinds of work they've done have been undervalued and/or unpaid for the majority of the type of work they've performed. But men have always been the ones to define what is even considered to be "work" in colonized capitalist societies, regardless of the innate value it provides all of society, and those same imperialist men have always relegated labor into two separate categories: private (domestic, hidden, etc.) and public (government, corporations, etc.), of which dichotomies of "either/or" categorizations also are emblematic of white supremacy and other forms of oppression by their nature. Even the laws in a society that are based on issues irrelevant to labor are built on the principle that the private is less worthy of attention, recognition, consideration, etc. while the public is what is given priority, ignoring the fact that they so blatantly coexist together and the separation is arbitrary at best, but it's still nonetheless a force that pushes oppressed groups even farther into the margins of society at its worst, in ways that can be lethal yet also completely invisible. We've seen this for thousands of years where anything that is deemed "private" is largely unacknowledged, such as rape, domestic violence, child abuse, hunger, elder care, abortions, and other issues that have through most of history, until the second wave feminist movement, seen as "private matters", only to be dealt with "in the home", and so on. It's why for centuries there weren't any laws around things that disproportionately kill/ed or caused trauma to women and children in our society, and why we still don't see as much progress as we should care to expect (for example, like how our government consistently fails to find millions of missing women and children, among other similar problems where the most attention they'll receive tends to be on local news channels for a few minutes or turned into true crime media glorifications of misogyny, white supremacy, colonization, etc.). That's the whole reason that the second wave feminist mantra "The personal is political!" was devised: to illustrate that all of these problems exist for very political reasons and within a macro-level societal context, and that anything that's deemed "personal"/"private" is very much still a political issue, despite it being unrecognized as such by and large. Whether it's food, childcare, transportation, or what have you - if it's anything that anyone is dealing with as a personal problem, it ALWAYS has a political context.
But in terms of said private labor, women have always been the ones invisibly producing trillions of dollars worth of labor and services to economies completely and/or predominantly without pay, and our society's social construction of gender is a major way that this is even possible still today. For example, the ways women are socialized from the time they're born to being more nurturing, soft-spoken, taking up less space, more considerate, etc. and the toys they're groomed into the roles for like with dolls, cooking sets, makeup, etc. and everything else similar up through adulthood where it's made clear that women are deemed responsible for the unpaid labor of childrearing, elder care, etc. and all the domestic labor that ends up being "the double/second shift" (the feminist term describing the second but unpaid job women perform for their families when they come home that is still to this day disproportionately skewed compared to men's contributions) on top of their own jobs they're forced to have today when men haven't had that additional burden added to their own paid labor performed. And although a great deal of these socialized traits and characteristics are often mistaken for essentialist beliefs of what women and men are "naturally", we have enough scientific evidence that shows us otherwise. (Cordelia Fine, Mari Ruti, and Angela Saini are just a few examples of modern feminists debunking a lot of faulty "science" on mythical gender differences with hormones, chromosomes, neurology, and a lot of other topics that are full of misconceptions, ones of which that have historically been used to subjugate women and are still used to justify misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia.) And issues like this signal a lot of the underlying reasons for why there's so much fear around trans rights and rights for gender fluidity, neutrality, etc. Because it threatens the role that cishet women are prescribed in our society and threatens capitalism itself, and the economic repercussions would be severe in the eyes of capitalists. (Plus, if more women realized they weren't obligated to fulfill these roles, it would be catastrophic for several different industries that depend on these patriarchal values to be upheld, and a lot of people in society that depend on women to do these roles for free, without any assistance from the government, and so on would suffer. In 1975, there was actually a feminist demonstration of the value of women's labor where about 90% of the women went on strike for one day, where for a single day they didn't do cooking, cleaning, childcare, etc. And the whole country recalls it as "a dark day in history", but their value was at least recognized as a result. Restaurants were packed but understaffed, too many people called off work to stay home with their kids so businesses suffered, and so on and so forth. But I can't imagine American women uniting to do that, lol. I remember back during the lockdown reading a NY Times article about how the value of women's unpaid labor in America is like, $10 trillion or some insane number I can't remember exactly, but the comments were just full of pushback, mostly men I saw being like, "Well, I work, too! I work harder so I deserve more money, and my wife loves working in the home for free!" as well as androsexist women stuff and so many just completely missing the point... Maybe they didn't read it, lol.)
And as far as women being unpaid for labor, there's somewhat of a few historical and cross-cultural exceptions, like sex work (I had a whole thing here on this to elaborate, but I cut it out because I think the comment was too long to post, lol)
And of course that's been a historical exception for white women, too, though they tend to have always been poor white women. I'm personally multiracial - Native American, Black, and White - and Appalachian, and the stories I grew up with of my Native and Black female ancestors made it clear to me pretty early in life that women have indeed always worked, even when men like the ones you spoke of claim otherwise, lol. Even some of my white women ancestors who grew up poor worked, too, usually as farmers or other rural occupations (plus, there's always historically been more white women working as teachers or nurses for hundreds of years, too). With the Native stories I'd hear growing up, my great grandmother used to tell me about how "unega" (white people) were so scared of the women in our nation because they'd have the same level of political power in the tribe's decisions, among other equal roles in all other aspects if they chose and vice versa for the men (of course, there were thousands of Native nations, and some of them were very flexible like this, others were pretty rigid with gender roles, and there's a whole spectrum that varies wildly), and when the white men would try to join them in meetings, they'd ask the women to leave because they were so afraid of them, lol. But there was also more gender fluidity allowed in a lot of Native nations too, and it was largely white *women* who felt so uncomfortable with how "undomesticated" they were that they were the ones to pressure them to conform and assimilate to white womanhood. And of course, we know Black women weren't exempt from brutal slave labor and treatment for being women, and they've been disproportionately working in lower paid jobs for the most part ever since.
@@BunsBooks (Sorry... I know I'm long-winded and working on it, so please don't hate me, lmao. I had to split it up for length...)
You're right on point with the labor issues, though. Unpaid and undervalued domestic (or "hidden") labor is one of my favorite subjects to talk about in terms of intersectional feminist issues. It always has been, but it's pretty relevant to my personal life these days, too. (Long story short, my ex husband I'm still divorcing was/is abusive, and we separated last year. I have a 1 year old and a 4 year old that I devote 16+ hours of unpaid labor to raising, grooming, homeschooling, feeding, clothing, etc., but because I have several disabilities and yet can't be eligible for disability somehow lol, my options for having a stable income are extremely limited. I can't even perform most WFH jobs because I can't do anything over the phone with babies screaming over me and getting me fired lol, and I have no social support to have any consistent work hours with, and definitely can't afford daycare even if I wanted to go that route with how attached my youngest still is to me. At every turn I'm constantly pressured to find work to put them in daycare though, which even the 4 year old is too young for preschool being born two days after the cutoff date, even though putting them in daycare would mean I'd have to work at least two or three jobs just to break even financially, only to pay strangers to perform the same unpaid labor that I do myself. But for some reason, society wants parents to work like dogs to pay a second mortgage's worth for strangers to only put in a fraction of the work of raising their kids for them, when daycare workers are also underpaid and yet don't do most of the remaining domestic labor that has to inevitably be done. Like grocery shopping, doctor appointments, other errands, etc. Not to mention, kids in daycare get sick so often that parents often even lose their jobs trying to pull it off when they have to miss work so much because of it, especially since COVID still isn't over, and for what? To miss out on your kids growing up, lack any form of attachment to them and cause them and yourselves emotional trauma, and to go back to work when your body usually isn't physically ready postpartum? All to sacrifice for a job you most likely despise or at least resent as a result? Or if you do enjoy it, you have to choose between sacrificing all the time with your family or your career with no compromise? So yeah... I'm able to make ends meet for us, and this last year has been rough, but I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat if it means I can form a good bond with my kids and give them the best start possible in life in terms of parental love and the education I try to give them, and we have enough to get by thankfully. I figure I can do what we need to get by at least until they're older, and I can be content with staying up late every night to do a few things I'm passionate about by carving out a couple hours after they're asleep. But it's crazy that this is the "choice" families get: work endlessly to only work and never see your family and for it to only end when you die, or choose destitute poverty and still probably die early from the oftentimes literally crippling stress and the lack of basic means to survive.)
Anyway. I didn't mean to make that all about me, I promise, lol. Just wanted to vouch for the fact that I do totally get it on a personal level too, but more importantly that I'm definitely not the only one in this situation (I know what it was like too when still with my ex husband and when we couldn't BOTH work and afford daycare AND didn't qualify for public assistance because we earned barely too much, which so many families are in that spot, too). There's very few sources of information, news, etc. that I hear cover these topics, especially from a Marxist or socialist or otherwise anti-capitalist perspective, and consistently. But I'll list a couple below for that, too.
I wholeheartedly support your work though, and I bet once you finish it that a lot of people will benefit from it. As far as a few other sources go, here's a few right off the top of my head that are on the subject of women's labor, particularly from Marxist and/or socialist perspectives for the most part:
- Alice Kessler-Harris, "Women Have Always Worked: A Historical Overview" from the 80s, I believe, but if you haven't come across that one yet it's a good start
- Angela Davis, honestly any of her stuff is amazing, but especially "Women, Race, and Class" for this topic
- Marlene Dixon, a radical socialist feminist whose work still sounds like it was written yesterday, which there's audiobook videos you can find on TH-cam for her stuff, too
- For anything sex industry related, I'd recommend Gail Dines, Andrea Dworkin, Robert Jensen, and Catharine A. MacKinnon to name a few. Also my mentor, Dr. Bernadette Barton, with whom I helped with writing and research for a few of her books.
- There's an article called "The Buffer Zone" by Paul Kivel, and I think it's a really crucial topic to explore with anything to do with women's labor, particularly "trenchwork" direct services type of work that's largely feminized (like I mentioned with nursing, teaching, social work, etc.), but there's so much more to explore with it that I think you'd appreciate too possibly, and you can find the PDF free if you search for it.
- Also so many things written by bell hooks. Literally anything by hooks is a masterpiece, but she's got some wonderful work on this subject, too.
- Kimberle Crenshaw, the feminist who counted the term "intersectionality", definitely has a lot of work she has on this topic, too.
- "Hood Feminism" is a great read too, and it's probably the newest on this list since it was just published a few years ago, but Mikki Kendall digs into a lot of contemporary intersectional issues and their histories from an anti-capitalist perspective on issues like cultural childcare expectations, food stamps and other public assistance, housing issues, and other stuff from a feminist lens that often aren't seen as feminist issues, and she ties a lot of it into labor, as well.
- One work that I think gets severely underappreciated is "The Dialectic of Sex: The Case for Feminist Revolution" by Shulamith Firestone. It's been years since I've read it, and I think there may be some myths in it purely from a white feminist perspective though I can't remember for sure, possibly some trans issues in it too since it's from the second wave and that was common whether intentionally or inadvertently, but in it she definitely made a lot of predictions about the future of capitalism, women's labor, technological advances intersecting with fertility medicine and how women would be hypothetically freed from capitalist patriarchal oppression given certain technological developments, and other things that make it seem still extremely relevant and at the very least super interesting to read. And if you talk about anything with essentialism like I mentioned before, this might be a valuable addition to the list. (Especially since some of her predictions that were thought to be crazy are turning out to be actual technological advances we've made or are in the process of now, lol.)
- Interestingly enough, I know most of these sources are focused on WOC and poor/working class women, but an interesting book that blew my mind about wealthy elite women's work that I read several years ago is "The Power of Good Deeds" by Dianne Kendall. It's about the value of unpaid (or at least not directly paid, and still labor that men relegate to women) labor and philanthropic work that women do that ultimately makes rich white families even wealthier and is basically a form of domestic labor performed primarily by women that benefits wealthy families. It's absolutely infuriating and fascinating at the same time lol, because there were so many things that most people who aren't ultra wealthy might not even be aware of that are talked about at length in it (like I legit didn't know that rich people have balls and other customs to try to set up their heir and heiress children together and strategize doing so with company mergers and other stuff talked about in it... Blew my mind at the time.) And with the work I do on the NPIC, I can attest that I've found a lot of research since then suggesting this has been a historical trend for white rich women for a long time with charity and philanthropy and such.
- This one's actually a series from Democracy at Work, but Dr. Harriett Fraad has TH-cam/podcast content that I HIGHLY recommend for radical intersectional feminist and socialist issues and current events. She's one of my favorite people I follow on TH-cam, and her husband Dr. Richard Wolff too is another I can't listen to enough, but she has a series called "Capitalism Hits Home" that I listen to religiously that might be relevant to your work, too.
I know there's others I'm trying to think of... And if I do remember some others I'll be sure to come back and comment again. But is there anything regarding any specific other topics you'd be interested in with this that I could help with? I sincerely hope that any shred of this comment has been remotely helpful, assuming TH-cam even lets me post the whole damn thing, lmao (... nope, definitely had to cut some out, even across two comments, lol). But regardless, I'm stoked to hear about your book idea and wish you the best of luck with it!! I'll be keeping an eye out for it too, for sure!
What is the name of the Book ?
@@tito2.091 Not sure which of us you're asking, and I actually meant to ask what hers was too, lol. But so far my working title is "Reviving Feminism: Un-Hijacking the Movement", though it's subject to change. (I'm also open to other suggestions. I'm really awful with titles, lol.)
JT! Love the channel, love the podcast, and love the revolutionary optimism. Your work is hugely inspiring.
Thanks so much!
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
My ex girlfriend used to ask me how I'd feel if she made more money than me. Honestly i would be happy for her, and this is what I said because we both had separate incomes and us both having financial security was important to me and if this condition was met, if we were both contributing to the house relative to our earnings, then i see no problem when one makes more than the other. I don't want to have kids, so that power dynamic didn't effect us either, and with my new partner this is still the case. We celebrate each others successes, and recognize there is a statistical pay gap.
Thats why betas are always leftists
You can get rich in this world, but only at the expense of many others.
You can be a 'boss' of a company, but only if you're ruthless if you want to be 'competitive'.
You can have children in this world, but only if you're rich.
You can enjoy a life without spending a single day at corporate work, but only if you're filthy rich, see the first point.
In modern day society, 'success' basically means being a ruthless a-hole who has no problem tearing down others to achieve some vague notion of 'the top', or something akin to that. It's a system that is designed to make sure that as many people as trapped as rats in a maze to feed the it, while the ruthless among them will enjoy some privileges.
_"The best system ever conceived"_ , as some people like to call it.
It's not conceived at all, though. Capitalism is there by nature. Having an advantage of any kind can be used to develop other advantages, which in turn opens the way to even more advantages, creating ever increasing power. This principle is even already present in gravity: mass accumulates. There are also other forces, of course, but capitalism is no human invention. It is something which can have benefits and can cause huge damage, like fire. It has to be handled the right way. Trying to fundamentally abolish it is futile, impossible. It is as if the fire department would attempt to eliminate the existence of fire itself. Everything can be capital. We must look for effective methods to harness it in a socially acceptable way.
@@thamessinclair2010 Second Thought provides the answer to your reaction:
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I know it's not talked about a lot--but neoliberal feminism also reinforces a lot of ableism by encouraging overworking, and certain jobs that can be extremely difficult for neurodiverse, chronically ill, and/or disabled women to achieve. Especially if they have to deal with other forms of oppression such as racism and/or queerphobia.
Like, being the head of a job where you have to deal with more sensory input to get to and from work along with during the day (such as the lights in an office, loud noises, smells, etc.) would be an extremely hard job for women, and all people, with sensory issues and differences that often include sensory issues such as autism and ADHD.
Or a job that requires a lot of phone calls and digital meetings is gonna be a lot harder for neurodiverse people.
Jobs that require travel are a lot harder for disabled and/or chronically ill women, and all people, especially with TSA constantly breaking assistance tools like canes and wheelchairs and constant questioning and searching about medications. (Which chronically ill people tend to NEED a lot of to be able to not be in pain all the time--tho of course varies on the condition and individual.)
Just...so many things. Capitalism is ableist by nature, so of course this is baked into neoliberal feminism, but it still just boils my blood.
I've been thinking about this a bit recently. I suspect that, in many cases, the problems neurodiverse people encounter are a bit like the canary in the coalmine.
This probably doesn't go for some situations but I am wondering how work pressure has been changing in the last, say, fifty years. Which I imagine should include whether purchasing power has increased, decreased or remained roughly the same for individuals, couples and families and worker's rights (like protection from being fired without a valid reason) and certain expectations like overtime that even if the employee may have the right to say no to, they may fear the consequences of.
Sorry, rambling.
I have a friend who’s getting their masters essentially in gender studies. Absolutely brilliant and kind, also trans(no anatomically changes and no desire to) who is incredibly immunocompromised and disabled and damn proud of it. They get left out of feminist causes(the bad ones ofc) because of transphobia and a hefty dose of ableism. So much of the modern neoliberal feminist movement is about gender essentialism.
You mixed up capitalism and feminism. Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
So should we just give up? I guess I’ll stop working and smoke weed all day
@@LyricalDJ No need to apologize. Well said.
I think it's really worth noting just how easy it is to brand any political group or movement as feminist under the definitions of neoliberal feminism, tho you did touch on it with Giorgia Meloni
Yes. Feminism is 100% not Communism. Second Thought is also trying to co-opt Feminism here.
@@auraguard0212 what makes you think like that?
Video idea: Is competition really the be all end all component to innovation? I'm beginning to wonder if innovation happens because there's a need to fill, not necessarily because there was a capitalistic impetus driving it. Competition does spur innovative ideas because any restrictive environment breeds creativity around those restrictions, but from my point of view, competition also encourages secrecy, selfishness, and discourages cooperative endeavors. But could we have gotten to the current technological achievements even sooner if instead of competition, all of it was done through global open-sourced projects?
I’ve got a video on that! It’s called “Does Capitalism Really Drive Innovation?”
@@SecondThought I appreciate your work! Thank you again for all you do!
I’m about to go back and watch that video having seen JT plug it, but having not seen it (at least for a while) my gut says: “capitalism produces innovation for innovations sake a lot of the time, but much of it can be meaningless”
There’s a lot of stupid accounting tricks and off-shoring strategies that are technically innovative, but do they really help anyone? Nope. It’s sort of like, there’s a lot of innovation in football. Teams are constantly trying new strategies to win the game, but none of those translate to anything useful in the real world. Capitalist business is basically the same. Businesses are competing at an artificial game so most of the strategies they come up with to win that game are technically innovation, but don’t really help anyone.
@@BD-yl5mh Here's my thoughts: capitalism can *sort of* drive innovation because people are looking for ways to make money, but unless something interferes, capitalism inexorably leads towards cartel-forming or monopolisation which are more threatened by innovation than driven by them. They prefer a stable situation (kind of like centrist politicians seem to, most of the time).
As someone who study History, there is 4 main reasons for someone to invent and discover something:
1 - to solve a common problem;
2 - lazyness (yes, humans are lazy - why we all here complain so much about work exploitation?);
3 - money and fame;
4 - flexing (we invented aero-graphene, a thing that is 99.8% air and stronger than stell just to tell the laws of physics "F U! We Humans are THA BAWZ!");
Reading bell hooks made me realize I was a socialist, the feminism she spoke of really resonated with me. Tbh I’m not really surprised that it’s the girl boss feminist that appealed to mainstream media the most as we lived in a capitalist society, any ideology that protects and upholds it, is bound to be the ones corporations(capitalist) and media favors the most, especially in the US.
Thank you for always pointing out how it's the system that's broken and not individuals. This is a truth I've seen my entire life and yet was attacked for ever questioning it or pointing it out. More people need to open their eyes. I feel that your videos and words are able to do that. Thank you for taking up the fight that I could no longer bear the weight of.
People can't handle questioning the system because it gets them too far out of their comfort zone, and they're not ready to realise that such huge parts of the life they're living are built on lies and suffering.
I think people miss the point why not many women were in higher positions in economy in the first place.
Its because most women were just not raised to be a heartless, egoistic and confrontative asshole hungry for nothing but their own financial success, which is what helps you to climb the ladder in many companies.
More women in high position do not necessarily mean capitalism gets one bit more humane, it often just means it got acceptable for some women to behave like some men were raised to do.
In return you cant really expect those women getting into those positions by the toxic and egotistical manners, to help the general success of other women within the society. Instead of changing the problems it comes down to the advice of just changing yourself towards becoming part of it and selling your goal of equality for a bit of individual financial success, but cementing the unjust system.
The priorities need to change entirely for anything getting better.
The neoliberal solution to everything is framing supporting freeloading rent-seekers as "pulling your own weight"
As a woman, I greatly appreciate this. I've had too many shitty interactions with women bosses.
Years ago, I was asked by a conservative coworker why a man describing himself as a "feminist" is a good thing. I said that if being a feminist means you believe a woman should be paid the same as a man for the same job, they should be able to control their bodies & birth control, & have paid maternal leave guaranteed regardless of their job, then I'm alright with that label.
Thing is, that’s not what being a feminist means. I support all their things. But being a feminist covers a whole host of toxic, ugly, anti-male sentiment as well.
Yes, that is nice, but feminism today doesn't mean that it is not about that.
Men cannot be feminists. Men can be allies. If a man cannot respect this, well he just telling on himself.
@Zaydan Alfariz harems are not tools of patriarchy to suppress women, it's tools of political powerhouses to make "contract" between each other, also to score the position of family of the queen or future heir, historically not every "men" is the apex of their family, oftentimes it's the women moving behind the scenes. in feudalism it's not always patriarchy, most of the time it's whoever have upper-hand in the relationship, not far different from families nowadays. what also didn't really change is that poor fellows are suppressed by rich people.
@@TetraTerezi Men can be and were feminists. But any man who has any sense of pride will not touch with a 10-foot-long stick what is feminism today. Feminism today means women who think too much of themself, want all privileges and zero responsibility, want quotas for certain professions, and think feminism is about hating men.
Thank you for calling out the BS in “Lean In.” My mother spent a good year or two trying to convince me to read it, but every attempt would send me spiraling into a blind rage.
Yes. Sandberg may be accomplished but she’s also delusional.
"balance" is what real feminists like Marlene Dixon, called "Super Exploitation". I highly recommend looking up some of her contributions to Marxist theory. Plenty of videos on TH-cam about her.
How does her use of the term relate to its use in reference to imperial periphery workers extremely low wages?
@@fromthemasses_tothemasses Unfortunately i have not encountered any of her writing that deals with that subject. So, I can't really answer your question. The excellent author Michael Parenti, has a book called "Against Empire", that does refer to the super exploitation of workers in various countries. You might find some of his material very engaging.
@@fromthemasses_tothemasses imperialist domination do not happen only through economics, but culture - Hollywood movies are watched EVERYWHERE...
Thank you for making this video! I'm a grad student exploring the intersections of feminism and climate change governance. This video really helped me understand neoliberal feminism, specifically how it portrays reproductive labour - something that I've struggled to fully grasp in the literature. Keep making this accessible, engaging content please! :)
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@@maiiabakhova2474 the only true thing I’ve read in this entire comment section. these people are blinded, and a man who isn’t outright sexist and disguises his own patriotically-rooted opinions as feminism gives them a glimmer of hope that they immediately grab onto.
@@maiiabakhova2474 I've seeing you here EVERYWHERE.
What you want to prove?
@@ninabarakat6200 make your point then. This guy here is interested in your argument.
This type of feminism is prob why MLM companies keep enticing people.
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser, i wasn't going to let my marriage of 18years crash.
@Rose Allen well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer
@Rose Allen her name is Shelly Renee White, and she is a great spiritual adviser as well as caster
@Rose Allen you can look her name up online and you will find all you need.
wtf...
@@abelabel3664 scam
another great video from Second Thought
Agreed. Every single oppressed minority whether it is women, BIPOC communities, disabled folks, or the LGBTQ community, and every intersectionality under the sun cannot have real emancipation under capitalism.
The neoliberal understanding of what constitutes equality is not equality at all. It's just taking a small number of individuals of oppressed minorities, placing them in positions of power in the capitalist system, and telling them to behave like the white male capitalists have always behaved all while leaving the rest of them impoverished and continually under the boot. It's like watching black cops murder black workers.
This idea is one of the worst forms imo of the capitalist system appropriating people's real experiences with discrimination and twisting the solution into more conformity to the system that alienated them in the first place.
Is the time of upload of your videos somewhat tactically set to 4 p.m.? I mean, as some sort of measure to cost privat employers more money, because employees watch your video in the last hour of their work day?
9am my time zone, it’s just what I’ve always done
@@SecondThought Oh, oops, but the effect can be the same.
Lol it was posted at 7am for me
Fun fact about Giorgia Meloni: years ago she partecipated to a far-right religious rally for "the traditional family". During an interview she came out saying she was pregnant, but she also said she had no intention at all to merry her partner
Meloni is a populist. She says what they want to hear she doesn’t actually believe it. The idea that the traditional Christian family is under attack
Wow, a Right-wing politician who is a hypocrite! What a strange and rare thing!
/s
I'll never get not having a job being seen as a weakness, when almost everyone acknowledges that getting one can be difficult. It makes zero sense.
Trickle down Feminism
The definition of feminism has been watered down being co-opted by entities who are nowhere near the ethical morality feminism is defined as.
I would add that feminism is also about fostering healthy, non-exploitative gender relations, which means building a society that isn’t a breeding ground for domestic/sexual violence, patriarchal domination, or toxic masculinity/toxic feminism. Capitalism can’t do that. Feminism/gender is a very frustrating topic, and I think a lot of that is because of “girlboss”neoliberal feminism.
I would not be surprised that the "girlboss feminism" was created by, and coopted by narcisists.
The little list at 6:28 is a very nice way to summarize the ideology. Idk, it just looked very clear to me. Another great video.
I want to see how capitalism prevents scientific research advances
exactly. If you want to see it, go to see it
I want to see how religion and theocracies prevent science and education.
@@ozymandiasultor9480 dipends of religion and culture here. Some culture are scientificly centered but other are completly out of scientific fatcs.
Same for religions. For many years the best scientist was islamic, later on there was a change in that and they was europeans. But not all good scientists was Always from the same culture
@Zaydan Alfariz Capitalism only innovates when it can profit off of it 😄
Did you hear of nuclear fusion? Prolly did lately because china made some serious brake trough so now even private companies are coming out with their brake troughs. Funny thing about it every time I watched the video about it started extreme secret, never seen before and so on meaning they hide world changing inventions until threatened by none profit institutions in this case China if not for their socialist ideologies fusion would be another 200 years away. What I mean by all this I agree would be wonderful video to watch.
Julie Bindel may not be a popular figure but she hits the nail on the head when she says that feminism is not feminism unless it caters to the women at the bottom.
She's openly very critical of the feminism that discusses how upper middle class women are making 100,000 to every 108,000 that men make. Thats certainly an important issue but not being rich enough is not a problem that applies to most women.
I haven’t watched this yet, but as a rad leaning feminist, I’m so psyched
@@sithlord86958 I hope not! Those tend to be the most toxic
@@stratosphere2323 what other chances exist? Not having Financial independence does cause a lot of issues for women especially in places like South Asia where they stay in abusive conditions because they depend only on the man for financial support.
Don't you get tired of telling facts
lol yes 🥲
Well, someone must be the one to tell the truth...
I used to work with a company where most senior positions were held by women. Almost all of them were hired because of who they are related to or married to, but they made up the majority of the senior/executive personnel. I'm sorry to say, but they fight hard to keep other women down, especially the women that don't have that sort of connection to the company. They treat them like garbage.
I'm watching your vid "How Fascism Survived..." on Nebula. I joined for you and a couple other creators, and I really like it so far. I love the longer format and I hope you have time for more of that. I'm always impressed by how much history and context you pack into a 15 or 20 min video. The longer format takes that to another level and you seem to be able to breath a bit more lol👍
Thanks man, your videos always give me something to chew on!
This guy's hair is seriously on point. Curled to perfection.
I have always seen top feminists as individualistic, success-oriented, leaning-on-other-women's-work, using feminist badge as a shield for selfishness at their careers. Maybe it has been going on forever, maybe just the 2000-2023?
I f*ckin’ love your channel, you’re the best JT! ❤️Don’t tell Hakim or Yugopnik I said that🤫
You really hit the nail on the head with this one.
Thank you for your videos! My English level is not so high to understand all the points so now I'm studying it. What you do is really important.
Thank you again for fantastic commentators. I'm a third generation poor "white" single mother. My Sicilian women couldn't bring home the pesto.... Sidebar: I couldn't find where HRC said that about Georgia Meloni. Meloni and Ron DeSantis scare me on a deep level. I'm not leaning in... I fell way back years ago. Much love, thanks and well wishes, young G.
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
I really only ever heard the term as applied to women who embrace MLM "culture," but its basically in the same vein of thought that ruthlessly hard work would give you guaranteed success no matter your circumstances and if you don't succeed its because you didnt try hard enough and not because you were "working" in a pyramid scheme specifically preying on your insecurity to make money. I think MLM marketing was also a nail in the "girl boss" coffin for this rhetoric
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
I LOVE feminism! 💗
It has made my life SO much easier.
- I don't need to open the door, pull out the chair, pay for the date, pay for any gifts, comfort her when she is sad, lend her my jacket if she is cold, listen to her boring stories, repair her car, house or appliances, or give her ANY special treatment at all.
I can treat women EXACTLY as I would treat a Russian oil rig worker, and if women don't like it, there is nothing they can do about it. They cannot even complain, because this is equal treatment! I do not have to do ANYTHING for women, that I would not do for a coal miner, or lumberjack. It is absolutely fantastic!
Feminism has saved me SO much time and money.
I LOVE feminism!! 💗
Amazing, you are pretty gentlemen 👏🏽💙🖤
Great thought-provoking ideas which challenge my views. Also, you expressed clear and well-thought anecdotes and definitions, which help me understand these ideologies in a new light. As a result, it motivates me to consider these ideas seriously about establishing different structures for mutual benefit. Great video.
Concise and easy to understand. Thank you for your work here.
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
Thanks JT! Here’s for the algorithm!!!!
Between The Deprogram, your video explanations, and independent reading - you have fully assisted with my transition to and getting comfortable on the left side of politics.
I'd be wary of the video essay style the left has been into lately.
Second Thought.
Thank you for your time and effort in making this video possible.
Great video! As a new artist, I would love to see a video about the recent controversy surrounding AI-generated art and the systemic problems behind it
Thank you so much, I needed this for a friend who's mad on "feminists" but doesn't make the distinction between this neoliberal distortion and genuine intersectional feminism.
Intersectional feminism and gender abolition? Rad as hell.
Gender essentialism? Always bad.
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@@maiiabakhova2474 it's not Machiavellian to fight artificial neoliberal divisions. Denying them is Machiavellian.
"Neoliberal feminism"
Wow, I just vomited in my mouth a little.
As an Italian, thank you for the analysis on Meloni. we've got the same problem with that kind of "feminism" here. Think also about Chiara Ferragni, same shit, but a bit more liberal.
As an Italian myself i completly agreed with you
@@ultraviolet7838 yeah, the red partisan did only half of the job, and also quite bad. Such as Tito in jugoslavia
@@ultraviolet7838 La Russa to is a declared fascist. In Emilia they even celebrate Mussolini birthday
I live in Italy please explain who is this ferragni woman?
@@Ninja-gt3zi a capitalist woman who is well know for being one of the first influencers in Italy. She's from rich bougeoise from Milan and she uses her figure to promote pro abortion amd women's right, obviously those related to bourgeoise and her own personal immage
Thank you for a sensible and factual examination of this, a rarity and much needed.
I would be curious to hear this channel compare and contrast such topics with the " whatifalthist " channel.
The trickle down equality example you displayed at the 8:00 mark is spot on!
Always gotta slip in some revolutionary language in there to get people to slide a bit more left… i see you. Another banger from an absolute chad.
Thanks! I really appreciate all the references!
Love your videos! I always learn something new and what needs to be done!
THANK YOU! I've been trying to explain this concept to people but so many lack the context to even wrap their brains around it
Great video JT. We needed this one
Great video, thanks for posting.
I always thought there was something wrong with all of the "women in tech" and other feminists movement I engage in. It was always still missing something. I still always believe in what they support, but it never went far enough. Now I get it.
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
@@maiiabakhova2474 ok, we get it - you don't accept the criticism because it is a guy doing it.
@@Jamhael1 This is an obvious projection. You do not accept critique because a woman does it, and you cannot even understand what I said.
@@myabakhova7271 from what I see, you didn't accepted the critique made here because a men said it.
The episode we never knew we wanted, but know now that we needed.
(I laughed so hard hearing S.T. saying "Girlboss" over and over again!)
Another great video! So glad people like ST are here to give us HQ theory in an interesting and humorous way.
You always explain so very well. Outstanding work! Sending solidarity from Portugal.
Women want to be treated like men but after they get treated as man they complain they want to be important to society and here are some jobs that have 90% or men that are important to society. Miner, plumber, electrician and etc and feminists know that feminism is for an advantage.
Thank you for touching on this, I definitely have felt this way but people just sweep it under the rug.
Expecting a man to understand and being helpful is futile. I recommend to learn feminist history. It clearly shows how women can get their rights only when they fight for them themselves. This video not only steals feminist ideas, summarizing and misconstruing them without telling whom they belong (the critique of "girlboss" concept is feminist, the "reproductive work" is from feminist theory, and so on) but in addition it tries to put a wedge between different women groups which is a famous Machiavellian trick "divide and conquer". What ever bad were girlbosses they were not worse than men, and should not be compared against some nonexistent ideal.
Happy Friday, gents✊🏽
Wow, I was literally just thinking about how capitalism affects socialism, and here you are posting a vid about how capitalism affects socialism just 16 minutes before I commented!