'It's like partition time in Manipur with tribal Kukis fleeing to hills, Meiteis confined to valley'
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Who is responsible for the ongoing crisis in Manipur? In this week’s Political Adda, political editor DK Singh and deputy editor Moushumi Das Gupta discuss the ongoing crisis with Dr A Bimol Akoijam and Dr Thongkholal Haokip, two noted academics from Delhi’s Jawaharlal Nehru University.
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After listening this interviews, i belived meeti r more intellectual and their views r quite different from kuki. Hats off to Dr. Bimol 👏👏👏🙏
It's probably not wise to judge an entire community based on just a few people's knowledge, performance or status.
You are absolutely right Simran kaur .
I think you are confusing someone’s fluency in the English language as the measure of his intelligence, listen closely…points raised are valid even if not in proper English.
No doubt.. 1000+ illegal kukis found on just first day of combing operation by Indian Army at Kuki areas. Imagine how many illegals are there in Manipur.
@@laststand2976 typical Indian.
The way Prof Bimol Akoijam has looked at the ongoing carnage in Manipur--his ability of self-appraisal, self-criticism, objective and logical approach to the current issue, all the while offering ways to alleviate the situation and the need to go beyond colonial given concepts and terms--manifests how erudite he is. And also, to be able to critique fellow academics' approach to the current mayhem takes not just intellectual superiority but also courage. Thank you, Sir. It was an enlightening observation. It would be great if Karan Thapar and oja Bimol have a discussion on this issue.
I wish we can request Mr.Karan Thapar to have a conversation with Sir Bimol
@@meerabaithangjam6209 it won't yield anything as thapar is hell bent on bashing Manipur/meetie as it is part of BJP government. Print did a wonderful job to have a good conversation and not trying to present one sided story
Karan thapar is a propagandist no point in talking
Exactly my point.
But i bet he won't digest this point of view cz he has already been hypnotize by the other side. May bless u n ur misunderstanding
Karan Thapar is one sided. On my point a person must be allow to speak
So many good points from both Bimol and Thongkholal, this is how a real talk should be! Thank you, Print, for starting this conversation 🙌
Thusawi an in thiam hleih deuh hlek em aw...hetiang hunah Thangkhansuan Sausing ka ngai thin
good points were only from Sir Bimol
Dr Bimol Akoijam should be given a wider platform to speak, very insightful man.
sure, but he's misplaced in that people want seperate administration becoz of funds and there are other ways of asking for it??? We are asking seperate administration for our survival! forget funds we lost our blo.ody homes!!! He is an academician at the end of the day, and remains an idealists. This conflict wont have arise if the valleys are content in valleys but wanna grab the hill areas. Why else will they protest many times for "territorial integrity" and shout "go back kuki immigrant" at the same time.
Clever but intentions can't b hidden. 🤭🤭
many people here says that this interview has been neutral and whatnot but from what i see, one of them is merely giving a perspective point of view in the most subdued manner just to conceal the fact that he lowkey is evidently siding his own community. No disrespect. I respect him for his intelligence but his intentions says otherwise.
@@nomhaokip9645 To a man with a hammer like u, everything looks like a nail😂
@@invincible8513if he is truly neutral to the core 100% why is he speaking in favour of one community in the end ??
Huge shout out to Dr. Bimol for bringing the spotlight on the truth of the matter. His POV on how all the current communal riots in Manipur could be to serve a means to an end - does bring a fresh perspective to any viewer. Seems like the civilians are only a mere scapegoat to a larger political game of who will get the wealth distributed by the centre of the nation?
No and no.!
Speaking of scapegoats, We’re done being a punching bag of the majoritarian section of Manipur’s community whenever they feel insecure, or “seeing us flourishing means a threat to their existence.”
We want separation. We dont want to go back to the valley where we’re vulnerable and WHERE KIL*ING US IS CELEBRATED. Mind it. Us demanding to prevent ourselves from such incidents again has nothing to do with POLITICS.
Sir Associate professor Bimol akoijam , you are outstanding. One of my fav person from now onwards. Salute to your great knowledge and understanding.😊👍👍
One thing is evident; Dr Haokip does not call out any of the Kuki leaders even once whereas Dr Akoijam has enough guts to call a spade a spade on both sides. Dr Haokip's recommendation is that of a separatist, which has been the narrative from CCpur since day 3 of the conflict. Like Dr Akoijam said this looks like a means to an end which was sophisticatedly orchestrated and funded accordingly.
Salute to Dr. Bimol Sir, for his great and transparent explaination.
This is one of the talk shows where Oja Bimol can show his thinking and studies at its best ❤ thank you oja🙏
Thank you Professor Bimol for bringing forward your unbiased and neutral viewpoint and sharing this with the larger population
@@nomhaokip9645 To a man with a hammer like u, everything looks like a nail
@@invincible8513 supporting facts on both sides doesn’t make one unbiased, it’s the decision made & their truest intentions that counts
@@invincible8513 “man with a hammer” just by sharing my POV ? This is the mentality that erupted the violence. 😔
@@nomhaokip9645 you people can't stay without increasing conflicts
Dr akoijam end game shooting is sharp and hit the target nicely 😅. Such a smart intellect he is .
Great insight from Dr Bimol Sir. Hope lots of the people can be benefited with such a wonderful narrative.
We strongly support you Dr. Bimol akoijam what you have said is 100% true as a manipuri i support you.
Yes I agree he spoke alot of truth. but his solution is an age old solution which has already been tried and failed. A commitee with no decision powers on budget allocation cannot fix the grievances of lack of hill district development.
Factually narrated by Dr. Bimol Akoijam. Salute to u sir. We need u sir, for bringing a strong Manipur once again.
"Bringing back Manipur again"???😂😂😂😂 we already left your 690sq miles of Manipur. No turning back
@@jamesboth3785 are you the one who did the mischief with his car?
@@jamesboth3785 hey 0 Sq mile. Don't bark here like glady vaiphei
Oja Bimol Akoijam took the noob Thongkholal Haokip for a spin and legend has it that he's not recovered from it yet. Next is KK Suan. We must demand a debate between KK Suan and Oja Bimol Akoijam. Karan Thapar must also have the courage to sit down Bimol Akoijam in his show
Hats off to this man Dr. Akoijam. He spoke to the point without taking any sides. Persons like him must be brought to other national stages if we really are looking for solution to present crisis.
yes but he did not give proper solution. all he said was kuki mlas should demand a committee that looks after its grievances. Arey but they have already made such demands. and how will a community with no decision powers on budget allotment solve the issue? Cos this is, afterall, about budget allocation, if you dig deep enough.
@@Corgi_Manubudget allocation?? 😂
It's about Myanmar refugees and mushrooming villages of kuki
What about BIREN?
@@despicable-mi Nobody is defending refugees or poppy. Tribals themselves have been involved in many anti-poppy drives. You have no brain.
This is called a true journalism, there should be more debate like this, well explained Sir Dr. Bimol Akoijam ❤ we need people like you to fix this mess in our state.
Damnn the professor's comprehensive viewpoint on the issue was really impressive, everything he said on the social economics to the poilitcal issue was spot on,no wonder karan Thapar didn't dare invite him on the interview,his whole baised view on bjp or his hatred for modi would have been shut down instantly
Please bring Mr. Associate Prof. Sir from JNU for more podcasts,the way he expresses and explains brings goosebumps. Thank you The Print for focusing on Manipur. We dont need India Pakistan China news, when our own land is in turmoil. 🙏🏻
Exactly!
What do you know about MANIPUR
I hv been following the Manipur case since 3rd May 2023 what was noticed is the exactly the same as described by JNU Associate professor.
Sir - U R one of the few to observe and use the correct words for the understanding of the people outside Manipur.
It is a preplanned Ethnic Cleanising orchestrated by the Biren govt and his leaders from Central.
The observations of sir Bimol Akoijam is very earnest, very true and educative. Thnx to sir Akoijam. His ideas are superlative.
@@francisfernandes4751 lol then you're following news from eastmojo, hornbill tv and beingkuki 😂😂 what is there to gain from wiping off kukis from imphal?
Last Words of Prof. Bimol are so Clear & Based that it explains everything.
I appreciated Dr. Bimol Sir, He is one of the Real Meitei Heroes of Meitei leibak (Kangleipak), he shows humanity as a good human being, everyone need to learn something from him, I like his sense of humour, learn and understand if you wanna be a good human being, some people need to be like him if you wanna be a good leader or wanna have good leadership quality.
@@nomhaokip9645 you have your representative MLAs and MP who are Ministers and MLA.. Stop fooling around.
@@nomhaokip9645 same way like Meiti community is forced out of 90% land of Manipur & confined to valley only.
@@nomhaokip9645 you the kuki refugee, illegal immigrants kuki chin whatever you called, just accept on 3rd may '23 so called solidarity mass really with AK 47, well pre-planned, strategy collaborated with kuki militant with 10 MLAs and all the Government employees, hired by some news channels against Meitei, you did whatever kuki refugee people wanted to do including killing people after tortured brutally, raped nurses and doctors including innocent small children, still blaming and torturing people in churachandpur nearby villages by kuki militant, no humanity, no one can change kuki chin, kuki refugee, immigrants people refugee mindset, after getting food and shelter now demanding own state, just think once before you blamed to others, what a unity of refugee, i can imagined, slow clap, well, you said Biren is at Meitei's favor, that is absolutely wrong, do you think, CC PUR 10 MLAs is also at Meitei favor, if you did something accept, admit whatever you did, do not try to run away and blamed to others , that is not the solution my dear refugee kuki, do not try to be stupid after killing innocent people without any reason, stop saying targeting kuki refugee people, stop fooling around, truth can not hide anymore, you the kuki refugee are the responsible of Manipur violence, keep that in mind
@@nomhaokip9645 political agenda as pointed out by Dr Bimol. Example right here guys.
Salute to Dr Bimol for bringing out the facts rather than blame game for current situation in Manipur. He should be in the limelight for discussing the current situation in Manipur. Out of so many he is the only one who clearly brings out likely causes and impact of what is going on in this part of the country.
I want dr bimol to be interviewed by karan thapar
Karan Thapar will put down paper after the interview.
@Seiroly Respectfully, Sapam is clearly uneducated 😂😂😂.
Wow, Sir.Bimol, What a class without any hatred!! Salute🙏👍👏🙇♂️🙇♀️
The best soul ever Dr. A Bimol.
Sir Bimol, wow ... what a presentation. Respect.
we need more knowledgeable person like sir Bimol to bring peace and harmony in the state.
Meitei rapist , 😂😂😂😂
Dr Bimol was exceptionally excellent. We need such level-headed people with a logical and rational mindset to sort out problems. The Kukis and Meiteis are really nice people but they should learn how to respect life. If they could follow "Thou shall not kill" then Manipur will turn out to be heaven on earth. All the best!
Thank you Dr. Akoijam Bimol for clarifying the current crisis in Manipur with all the truth and for giving a message of integrity. Huge respect from ❤.
I respect the integrity and wisdom of Dr A Bimol
Thanks to The Print for arranging this discussion. 🙏
We need more Dr. Bimol, huge respect to you
You have enough Bimol in the form of Biren and his cohorts.
@@d0g747 next level insecure pple. Dont compare him with the CM. Dr.Bimol has been neutral and unbiased unlike any other intellectuals.
@@sasuke-yr6mf which is why we need a Separate Administration/State.
@@d0g747 🤣
@@sasuke-yr6mf 🤣
Heads off to Sir Bimol for such an eloquent explaination.
Just see how Moshumi is lost in awe of Dr Bimol when he expresses his opinion !!😊
Well explained, best interview ever, let peace prevail in Manipur.
Now this is the perfect combination of excellent knowledge, great sincerity and optimum expression...Salute u sir Akoijam Bimol 👍👍
Nation must see this with their eyes open and atleast now you will understand why we need independent media , If you have the means please support The Print and true journalism ❤🙏🇮🇳
True
Absolutely wonderful talk professor Bimol. You are a genius.😊
Thank you The print for bringing out such a possible solution. Thank you Dr. Bimol Sir for suggesting the best solution and excellent explanation.
The best interview I have seen so far about the current situation in Manipur. 😮
Hats off sir Bimol
He is such an insightful person I have ever seen.
It was great watching this episode. He should attend more n more media to spread this knowledge. It's an eye opening session 👏👏👏👏👏
The only person who made sense to me till now on Manipur issue is Dr. A Bimol. Definately sharing this and i hope people understand and try see this whole issue from a his POV.
If all the politicians of my motherland , the State of Manipur have the same wisdom as you have respected Sir Bimol the present human catastrophe could have been avoided. I pray to God to give you more wisdom to spread the words of love, peace and development and above all the sense of oneness with forgiveness among all the communities living in this part of the world to excel greater heights of advancement. I salute , appreciate and thank you wholeheartedly for speaking the truth so lucidly and loudly 🙏🙏🙏💐
Thank you Oja Bimol for sharing such a thought-provoking and insightful talk on the Manipur issue. viewpoint is refreshingly neutral and you shed light on many important nuances that often go overlooked.
These type of discussion need to be encouraged even more to illuminate us all especially the main land people, more so who are going to take political decision, to know and understand the deeper lines of why, what for and how the present situation takes places and how these things can be resolve amicably rather so soon than later...
Bimol sir very very thankful for your clear explanations and suggestions.
The way you are trying to bring out clarity is so excellent.
Thank you sir
Ten thousand salutes to you dear Dr Bimol Akoijam 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Discussion is fulfilled because both are Present in discussion Thnkq Professors Sir Bimol ✌️👍 & Thnkq “2 for expressing ❤❤
Dr. Akoijam, I am in simply awe of his intelelct level.
He will give Dr. Jaishankar a run for his money.
Very well said Prof. Proud of you #SaveIntegrityofManipur
"It is almost like ethnic cleansing", "why security forces have not been able to crack down" Dr Bimol says. Some other commentators are also saying the same - "why was the police not controlling the violence". We have seen this before. It could very well be pre-planned. Who benefits from this division between tribals and non-tribals, Hindus and Christians...everyone knows. I hope not only Manipur, but also entire Northeast be on guard against this.
They burnt down the houses and arson with the help of state force police commando..
Ye ethnic cleansing hi hai kyu ki haatsa hone se pehe govt survey kar raha hain bolke kuki community ka ghar inphal me mark kiya gaya aur thada der ke baat 3 may ko peace rally march khatam hone ke baad me ye kyu haathsa huwa kyu sirf kuki community ko target kiya gaya peace rally to ATSUM kiya tha to sirf kuki ka ghar galaya gaya aur kyu itna kuki ka jaan liya gaya ...
@MK 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏 knowledge 🤔
Last ending lines from Dr Bimol was electrifying. 53 pc population which has history of thousands of years as an independent Kingdom and had been part and partial of Manipur can never be engrossed from all side is a ticking time bomb. What a sentence.
Is that the only thing you appreciate about proffsr bimol?? How abt the proffsr indirctly pointing his fingers at the CM and the CM'S divisive politics. When this learned proffsr askd how the army or the police failed... he is indirctly hintng at the plan hatched by the CM and his goons without stating the obvious. He means to say that the situation could have been controlled if the CM wanted to.
@@lunsitlhousitlhou6184he also pointed out about kuki mla, taking political mileage, saviour of kuki refugees😂
@@lunsitlhousitlhou6184 : If i have to say All ruling and opposition MLAs including Kuki MLAs are responsible for this turmoil. Being a leader does not mean to push his responsibility on others shoulder. When the so called peace rally in Churachandpur along with AK 47 rifles with full fighting combat, why your Kuki MLA had not stopped those. Meitei blood had shed more than 3000 years for the safeguard of Kangleipak, people who might have migrated few decades or max hundred years won't understand the relation between the motherland and son of the soil. And you guys are demanding the separate administration, if you want please leave Kangleipak, and let the remaining different 34 community live in peace. Do not think that Son of Soil will be a mute spectator when trying to break the more than 3000 years old written history kingdom.
@@lourembamlenin5854 which community has the habit of bringing pistol? We once saw borish using pistol as a tool to plant tree.
@@despicable-mi Paolienlal Haokip being the best epitome in that case😄
The difference in intellectual level is like North pole to South Pole. One senior professor through research and book knowledge, other through WhatsApp and Facebook video shared among their community. Sad state for JNU.... His expression when senior professor said these are based on literature of scientist.. not from his facebook and whatsapp University videos.
😂👍
Absolutely
But the effectiveness of the solution provided by the senior professor and its realistic ability to actually fix the core issues are even more apart than the North and South Poles.
Also, whatsapp info when presented by X community is legit, but Y community is not. Hmmm. Fair conclusion indeed. 😂
That's y u people demand for ST isnt
Dr A Bimol Akoijam such a knowledged person.
Thank you Print for this insightful interview. Dr Bimol should speak often and everyone should see this.
The way professor Bimol express the truth is very impressive
I support this media as reporting the truth and facts about the Manipur incidents
Ignorance is the field where evil grows its ulterior motives. We need to spread knowledge and positive insights. Kudos to Mr. Bimol! We need more people like you to save the state and bring harmony.
Thank you Dr.Binod Akoijam for the critical breakdown of the problem of Manipur which can be applied to other NE states also.. I think we the middle class should realise sooner than later, that when grassroots fight, the political class benefit…
Just a small observation: debating parties are not able to come to a conclusion because both parties identify different things as the root cause of the present scenario.. doesn’t help if both are right on a different plane… should try to touch upon even those topics no matter how uncomfortable they are, else the cancer will never be cured.
Thank you ‘the print’
Thank you Dr. Akoijam and Dr. Haokip for bringing us such comprehensive discussuons.
A big thums up to Dr Bimol.
Thank you The Print..we're indebted to you for bringing out true journalism on the present crisis in Manipur..you are helping save lives by spreading truth and awareness..God bless you🙏
Hats off Dr Bimol!! Wise words from a wise man. Very inspiring 💗 Overall, a very insightful discussion from both sides👏👏
Dr Bimol sir, such a knowledgeable person.
The ideas that he shared are deep thought.
Dr.Bimol Akoijam's words are like a direct slap to all those scholars who try to bring out a false narratives in the name of minority and dominant blah blah.
Proud of A Bimol Sir, thank you
Wow... hats off to Dr Bimol. Very beautifully and wonderfully explained and indeed he needs a wider platform. Thank you The Print for bringing him in. We wanted him back in a bigger platform please.
Wonderful Teamwork towards fundamental issues of Manipur 🙏🙏
Hi Subhrangsu,
Happy to note that you liked this video. Thank you for watching.
Awesome debate tamo Dr. Bimol , like the way it ended❤
i appreciate sir Dr. Bimol, ❤
We can see a very practical, neutral point of views from Dr Bimol, that's appreciated and must for the moment. Not a one sided mindset which I observed in Haokip's view.
Tell this to Mr Thapar who is advocating Partition.
Is he your father and hired for time being
kukis have been part and parcel of our life of Manipur. this violence has given us a critical look at this dimension that a kuki who has been together with us will not raise this kind of hatred....
-an insightful statement by Dr Ak Bimol
Unbiased, objective and practical. Thank you The Print for gathering up such discussion forum where humanity prevails.
Just wow......what a debate!! Thanks #The Print
Very well said by Dr. Bimol.. very insightful.. Showing General interest for the humanitarian development. On the contrary Mr Haokip is predominantly prefixed his mind with the aim of encouraging separate administration. 😮
Separate administration is inevitable. The inevitable split has taken place
The interview was so wonderful that the speech by Dr. Akoijam ,i assume, would invoke the inner desire to learn the subject matter more or atleast to come up with more robust idealogical set before projecting an agenda
Sir, you have explained the story very well. Thank u very much
Salute to Dr Bimol. You are too good.
Thank u..Dr Bimol
Cant agree more with prof. Bimol. This is the thinking we need right now.
Thank you prof. Akoijam for your unbaised crystal clear conclusion
I'm really proud of you Dr.haokip
He is a refugee like you, so your roots are the same. So you have a good reason to be proud.
Mr.Haokip has always propogated a seperate kukiland despite of being a govt professor in JNU.
Because we r Indians but unfortunately immigrants for manipur pple as u always told us... so separate administration is a must
Is it wrong to voice for a seperate administration of your own fgs. The way things have been unfolding it's better both Meeteis and Kukis go seperate ways. I don't see the once famed Manipur from here
It is always better to be separate administration instead of losing our life and houses in the hand of meetei
That land doesn't belong to kukis from the first place
It's okay to demand for seperate administration and state under the Ambit of the constitution. The whole concept of this demand is realised only after the violence, please note that.
Hats off🫡 Sir Bimol!
JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL.
Best interview so far about current situation ..may peace prevail in manipur,huge respect dr bimol sir❤
The two professors are not contradicting each other in any way..
Why is the public always on the run to hate someone against their community?...
Nicely conducted interview.. both professors deserve praise equally 😊
The kuki professor can't even hold a coherent argument. As usual with most kuki mainstream arguments, it's all emotional ramblings. And you're saying nobody is contradicting here? You okay? Lmao
They both stood their ground well..
It's not emotional rambling. What he said are facts.. and no matter how much hatred a community gets, facts are facts..
@@lalsawmliengangte6430 your facts* and utter bs to the rest of the world. There I corrected for you
Okay so what did the kuki professor say that was wrong?
@@lalsawmliengangte6430 it's about pointing fingers after he get so much education. That's why people like him are called illogical people. Educated and rational people are supposed to calm the situation from both sides. Don't be dumb it's not difficult to utilise brain.
At the end of the interview, all three are speechless in front of Professor Bimol, who gave the clearest picture of what is what.
God will stand up for the Truth
God will bless and save Manipur
Long live Manipur
Thanks Dr. Bimol for the well balanced sharing and appreciate you avoiding anything that sounds like taking sides during your deliberation. Absolutely agree also on the whole thing being a politically project and this time they have taken more than they can chew. Dr. Haokip thanks also for bringing out the aspect of political involvement. I agree that many brothers and sisters from various tribe of Kuki community has been part and parcel of Manipur and not blaming everyone with a same tag should happen. This is a forward looking discussions and thanks to Print. Hope peace returns to our beautiful state and let's not be ransom to the political class that acts as our saviors!
Thanks you sir to show the whole world without biased
Famous hate monger Ashok Swain has repeatedly tweeted on the issue with communal intentions as if every riot in 🇮🇳 has to be necessarily communal.
Correct!
What is the problem when Sir Ashok spoke for the ones whose voice is not heard by the Central? He isn't a hate monger. Hate mongers are the meiteis, putting in action their hatred towards the tribals.
@B.Meisharm don't comment like a one sided monger, right now Manipur is burning innocents r dying & u seems enjoying like Mr. Ashok Swain does. Plz act like being a responsible & an educated citizen🙏🏻. Kids game area is in backyards plz🙏🏻
that Mr. Ashok Swain is the most prominent monger i had ever seen, he even bring up religious issues between the communities without knowing nothing regarding the issue. He act like a cheap prick in that level of his status
Some in the Meitei community try to make it communal by delibrately targeting Churches
Yes,Dr Akoijam has been known for a resourceful person who would always speak on facts.Thanks to Dr.Haokip too.
Great insights shared..best talk show on current situation in manipur
The print thank you for the unbiased interview.
This type of intellectual talks should be conducted more often instead of inviting sectarian politicians who would argue for their vested interest.
Such a beautiful insights and indepth knowledge he has, I am awestruck Prof. Bimol.
Why on earth is the opposition parties all over the country not marching to Imphal as they do in Kashmir valley. This is absolutely ridiculous. Atleast give the people of the state some succor.. atleast it would make a statement that we care
They went but they were not allowed to investigate in hills by Meiteis
@@Godfavourite01 really when? What I see in ground is Kuki militants threatening everyone.
The Manipur govt didn't allow any media and fact finding team to the ethnic cleansing sites in Manipur.... The kukis are really helpless at the moment...
The congress did go, but soon after they reached Imphal they were sent back by the Manipur govt.
Kashmir can be sold to the rest of the country for political capital, you can't sell Manipur conflict stories to bring votes
Heartfelt Salute to Dr Bimol Akoijam for his unbiased thoughts and stating the facts very clearly and simply.
The last part❤❤❤❤