The Demise of West Ham: How Have We Arrived Here?

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  • @jayshreenarshi686
    @jayshreenarshi686 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I have mainly switched off West Ham, although your guest had me listening in because he is always worth a listen.

  • @FrazerJones71
    @FrazerJones71 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Our demise started when SG&B moved us out of our spiritual home and into an athletics stadium.

    • @GlennakaMush-kh1tp
      @GlennakaMush-kh1tp หลายเดือนก่อน

      The beginning of the end !! the day that parasite put an unrecognisable , unattractive , unprofessional , stain on West Ham United ... and thats fact ..

    • @stuartwillardscreenworx4035
      @stuartwillardscreenworx4035 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We got relegated there though, so the demise was visible there too.

    • @chazzzzzzhdhd
      @chazzzzzzhdhd หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@stuartwillardscreenworx4035explain why we sold out each game home & away during the championship? It was never about winning being a west ham fan, it was about representing decades worth of history, culture and more. We all supported west ham for what we represented. Now that is gone, we are nothing.

  • @HammerCrow
    @HammerCrow หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    You guys are 100% spot on. I feel that the only way to get change is if all West Ham fans can stop going to games, as hard as that is to say. Sullivan has killed the club, and like you I'm done, I just don't care at the moment.

  • @ianprior9408
    @ianprior9408 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    The longer we leave Loopy in charge, The more players along with Tim will be looking for a way out.

  • @markpendleton6492
    @markpendleton6492 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Sullivan will look at Newcastle away and Arsenal at home as 2 defeats it won't make a blind bit of difference in his decision on Lopetegui

  • @brelshar4968
    @brelshar4968 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Just mass boycott, for the rest of the season if necessary. The fans will piss and moan but won't actually take the steps needed to show up this clown because they have misguided loyalty to "the club." Fans either need to shit or get off the pot, it really is that simple.

    • @Hammers-Mikey
      @Hammers-Mikey หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Totally agree, they moan but dont do fuckall. They keep buying tickets and renewing their season tickets aswell, happy to line that little Vermin' pockets and happy to put up with dross week in week out on that pitch. The mind boggles! About time ALL the fans started singing from the same hymn sheet!

    • @brelshar4968
      @brelshar4968 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Hammers-Mikey Based.

    • @Stuart-r9f
      @Stuart-r9f หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      💯 agree 👍 we hold the power simple

    • @frizzyhairedfool6186
      @frizzyhairedfool6186 หลายเดือนก่อน

      FINALLY! Someone who speaks sense! The ONLY way you're going to stand a chance of getting rid of that vile little creature is to hit him in the wallet. Yet the fans piss and moan and continue to give him their hard earned. It almost makes me have no sympathy for them.

    • @ralphenjoyingthesun4233
      @ralphenjoyingthesun4233 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm in Spain ..so it may seem simple to say boycott a match....You guys the last of us West ham f...g lot need to step up ...
      I have never set foot in the bowl I never will..
      I love this Club it's my club......
      Empty seats at televised matches..Sully = not happy
      Stel...I'd rather get relegated..
      Honestly ...its f....g sh*t mate
      We need a Reset

  • @davidgrainger-tm1ko
    @davidgrainger-tm1ko หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    my whole family were season ticket holders dont go anymore , sad

    • @qtredhead
      @qtredhead หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Same here, my dad and I went together for years, my first game was in 79/8, season tickets given up after the first season at the soulless bowl.
      Watching the 💩 fest this is turning into i think the worst thing is, I’m beginning to stop caring

    • @mikeadams7904
      @mikeadams7904 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@qtredhead apathy is the end

  • @ianprior9408
    @ianprior9408 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    They're sucking the life blood out of our club.

  • @GlennPearson-z3k
    @GlennPearson-z3k หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ever since I first went to Upton Park in 1976 (they lost) we have always been a badly run club. Sell all our best players and replace them with 2nd rate replacements or has beens looking for a last pay day. It seems worse now because we have social media but can you imagine when we let McAvennie and Cottee both go and had Hilton Parris or Dickens trying to plug the hole as make shift forwards. Will always back the team but we seem to have fallen flat on our face with the Moyes replacement fiasco 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @danhammer1278
    @danhammer1278 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    John always a great guest ⚒

  • @RegStretch
    @RegStretch หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love JC the KC - he talks so much sense

  • @davidrussell9679
    @davidrussell9679 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I agree that if getting rid of Sullivan and replacing with a good board was only achievable by going down, then I would accept relegation

  • @DC11373
    @DC11373 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Hoping we get beat 6-0 at home is an INSAAAANE take. But what's more insane is that i totally understand it.

  • @westirons8874
    @westirons8874 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I miss Pablo

  • @AlexSmith-tr7xn
    @AlexSmith-tr7xn หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a brilliant show I feel like crying every time I watch west ham

  • @petergadeke8277
    @petergadeke8277 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Deep joy!! Nick, I’ve said for years that if we’d gone and got a proper striker in January 3 years ago, we’d have finished top 4 and seismically changed our club. No one until now has corroborated that. Thank you.

  • @Hertshammer
    @Hertshammer หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Totally get that, not looking forward to going to the matches atm. Just get as pissed as possible to make it bearable 😂

  • @DirtySanchez658
    @DirtySanchez658 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    East London has turned into a horrible 3rd World looking place. No wonder foreign players want to get out.

  • @davidfrancis9028
    @davidfrancis9028 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was a brilliant video Nick
    I could have listened to you both all evening.
    It really is a heartbreaking situation to see where this club is heading under David Sullivan.

  • @waseembutt8614
    @waseembutt8614 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I have a lot of respect for John, and to hear him say he would rather see us lose and lose heavily and even get relegated, is very disheartening - the root cause is Sullivan and until he leaves we can never push on

  • @grahamlindsey7208
    @grahamlindsey7208 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think that John speaks for many of us

  • @MalcolmPapworth
    @MalcolmPapworth หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    It's not only us that don't understand the tactics, the players don't either so it seems.

  • @stephenboyd4934
    @stephenboyd4934 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Surely there's a get out clause in Lopy's contract

  • @smokey6766
    @smokey6766 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The problem I have is if we get rid of loppy Sullivan goes out and gets another out of work manager there out of work for a reason! He just want to get it done as cheap as possible. That's why we never buy a manager out of there contract. We never learn

  • @russelllawford5643
    @russelllawford5643 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Sullivan knew full well the type of manager the fans wanted after Moyes, he went against them all. Should have just kept Moyes. Razzle Dazzle them. lies lies and more lies.

  • @lesliedb7
    @lesliedb7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It never surprises me, that some how when other teams get a new manager it’s not long b4 that team plays good football …..Sullivan gets older mangers pelligrini, Moyes, Alladice, grant, all dinosaurs in regards to some one younger whose philosophy is to play decent football., lopatagi is another defence mind manager. There’s been no new manger bounce at all, shocking appointment

  • @raymoorey8425
    @raymoorey8425 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm feed up with West Ham now, on match days can't get excited, so many problems at our club, but it starts from the top Sullivan and Brady. Lopetegui must go, and the players need to step up and earn their massive wages.

  • @HVNYHammer84-s6v
    @HVNYHammer84-s6v หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Sacrifices will have to be made, suffering," Lop, first interview. He wasnt kidding was he, sheesh. Edit: 20:00 to 20:10 👍👍👍bang on.

  • @ralphenjoyingthesun4233
    @ralphenjoyingthesun4233 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    John at 22 mins In 100%👍

  • @truecockney438
    @truecockney438 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I've never wanted someone out of our club as much as i do with sullivan maybe he'll pop his clogs and we'll be West Ham again

    • @markcross125
      @markcross125 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Can only hope

  • @Michaelkelly-z3c
    @Michaelkelly-z3c หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Sloppy won’t walk on his own - he needs a shove
    The way it’s going Sullivan will end up being the only one who buys m
    God forbid

  • @lezlane1018
    @lezlane1018 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    If & it’s a big if. Loopy gets sacked by Sullivan you just know that Sullivan will go out and get another bad manager in Loppy ‘s place.

    • @ultra5057
      @ultra5057 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yup it will be another manager that's out of contract & plays dull football.

  • @HVNYHammer84-s6v
    @HVNYHammer84-s6v หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nick, and quote: "I'd rather go down w/Lop, than go back to Moyesball..." [et.] When ya said that, I thought, "Maybe getting relegated would clear the deck up top&allow for a tough reality check," as well as absolute cleansing of the blanket of 💩 we've been trying to take warmth in. Lop said it, "Sacrifices will have to be made," whether his own job, or a complete reset button to force growth. Could lose materials, and gain a soul back. Come On (Back) You Irons...⚒️

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Nothing will change

  • @garygardiner5811
    @garygardiner5811 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gangrene is setting in, no more words to say.

  • @frederickellis5010
    @frederickellis5010 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You are at the next level 😂

  • @GlennakaMush-kh1tp
    @GlennakaMush-kh1tp หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    We will always be that turd you just cannot polish under David Sullivan ............ John speaks absolutely superb great show gents .

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Shambles Utd

  • @JohnJewell-x2z
    @JohnJewell-x2z หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Loopy has lost the dressing room and I doubt he’ll get it back. Ultimately Sullivan is the issue and I don’t think anything will improve until he’s gone. He’s probably the worst owner (certainly one of them..) in the PL. it’s a complete sh$t show…..

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That’s why I won’t by a season ticket

  • @marltranquil3598
    @marltranquil3598 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely clueless board

  • @dom.b1972
    @dom.b1972 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’d take relegation albeit unlikely if it meant completely clearing the decks and starting over. Admittedly it would take a few years in the darkness but in the long run it would be worth it. Our club is in such a mess.

    • @ralphenjoyingthesun4233
      @ralphenjoyingthesun4233 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just said the same ..Id take relegation too
      I hate this Sh*te im watching.
      Get relegated Sully F....s off
      Academy get a chance. 😊

  • @stephenlangham
    @stephenlangham หลายเดือนก่อน

    If any of us did our job that badly we would be sacked and surely there should be a vote of no confidence on the board

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Feel the same

  • @davygranules
    @davygranules หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    needs must lose next few games to get rid of floppy loppy. didn't want him at the helm anyway

  • @nickgoatham7981
    @nickgoatham7981 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    John is correct. The board, management and many of the players , have no real meaning to us supporters.
    It's a thoroughly deserved situation. From the choice of manager, then the players could all go. Lopetegui biggest double glazing salesman going. Tactics, post match debriefs make no sense. Uncommitted players, sell them get best price possible. Loyalty really not around anymore.

  • @qtredhead
    @qtredhead หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don’t feel bad for wanting us to get buried in those games… I can’t see anything else.
    Will be watching the Arsenal game with a Gooner mate hopefully it’ll be his last game.

  • @deanhead732
    @deanhead732 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    have to agree it's like being between a rock and a hard place... although I hate to say it If we get thrashed, we may see the end of Loppy.......

  • @chazzzzzzhdhd
    @chazzzzzzhdhd หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video lads. Nothing will change as long as Sullivan is in charge. When we are not doing well, it highlights all the other major issues at the club that are usually covered up.
    As a west ham fan, I have never felt so disconnected with the club. I believe that we are so out of touch with the club now, the soul, identity & community which made us support west ham at Upton Park in the first place is now gone, voted consistently top 3 most intimidating grounds which was one of the reason players played like they’d die for the badge and we would have cult heroes. We were infamous world wide with green street and highly respected by the rest of the english football tiers. Proper work mans club. Pie and mash before kick off in the heart of a historical east london multicultural community with decades worth of history and sentiment.
    Since being at the London Stadium, we have lost all of this, and thats why I think players don’t play and die for the badge anymore. They use us a stepping stone and a quick pay check (it’s not okay, but you cant blame them) as they are so disconnected to us fans and our community due to our stadium and the way Sullivan cluelessly spends his money to profit of us, he is a crook.
    Theres no togetherness with fans to the club now and this resembles to the players work ethic on the pitch. What Sullivan has done in selling our soul, is the very thing that is stopping us progressing as a club.
    I would rather be a consistent championship club to have Upton Park back. There was a reason we sold out 35 thousand seats there in 2011/12 season each week. For a CHAMPIONSHIP club that is insane. It wasn’t about winning, it was about the community, the heritage and us all being family that bled claret & blue. Now we are a tourist trap and will suffer for this forever.

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Roll the dice

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Players unprofessional board don’t care what chance you got

  • @iansmyth6210
    @iansmyth6210 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sullivan is a joke. It’s pathetic how the club is run. We’re a laughing stock. We are Shocking United.

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    5 or six players want to leave

  • @ralphenjoyingthesun4233
    @ralphenjoyingthesun4233 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ffs Nick 12.30 mins in let him finish plse

  • @markcross125
    @markcross125 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think you probably got more old school fans on this channel than most and I bet the vast majority would take relegation to reset.....we've been there b4 and it was just as much fun,especially away days and cup games.....the PL is a sess pool joke

  • @nigelbradley9190
    @nigelbradley9190 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think Sullivan might be tempted to pass his shares to Jack ?

  • @robertbryant1735
    @robertbryant1735 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The rot has set in and the players are beginning to be devalued and wanting to leave. Get rid of Lopetegui and get the best candidate possible rather than a makeweight !!!

  • @ChrisSaville-dk3sv
    @ChrisSaville-dk3sv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sullivan could start the change by letting Stiedten pick the new manager and pay the compensation if required. I want Frankfurts manager. Also what is Stiedtens plan. As a technical director what is his aim with our club?

  • @doghouse100148
    @doghouse100148 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The chances are that Sullivan and Brady are property developers and fans of that and not football fans. So even if we are relegated he will want to hold the property.⚒⚒⚒👍

  • @Mikes_Travels
    @Mikes_Travels หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How can any serious West Ham fan irrespective of what is happening at our club, want to see us get beaten 0-6 at home to a London rival. Ridiculous

    • @ClaretandBooze
      @ClaretandBooze  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because deep down, we know a thumping is heading our way in any case. The hope is gone, most fans feel defeated and we want change as swiftly as possible.
      Players have given up on this manager, the fans have also.

    • @Mikes_Travels
      @Mikes_Travels หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @ClaretandBooze we all feel this way and it is gut wrenching after all the hope and expectation back in August, but I still wouldn't want my team to get beaten 6-0 by anyone, let alone a London rival. Its like those people who wanted us to lose the conference final just to gather rid of Moyse.
      Lopey needs to go quickly, but unless Sullivan is prepared to put his hand in his pocket for compensation for a decent coach, none of the out of work ones give me any confidence that things will improve

    • @davidfrancis9028
      @davidfrancis9028 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because Sullivan is destroying our club.

  • @GrahamStephens-k2w
    @GrahamStephens-k2w หลายเดือนก่อน

    As is the general consensus this has been coming for a long long long time, unfortunately the demise of West ham has a little while to go😢. Sometimes (more often than not ) things have to reach rock bottom before there is a will to change. I have been supporting my West Ham for 60 + years and can say hand on heart , (despite winning in Europe, a tournament which was more difficult to lose than win ) I have finally given up caring, Rumpelstilkin, Sullivan has done my head in over
    and over , stop going ,stop watching and it may change ,we can only live in hope! COYI.

  • @ianmansfield68
    @ianmansfield68 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With you on the milk thing John!

  • @jimbutcher4897
    @jimbutcher4897 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Take me home country roads

  • @SteveKing-b8k
    @SteveKing-b8k หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Sullivan is a parasite on the club nothing will ever improve until he is gone. Mass boycott at the next game

  • @billclarke7893
    @billclarke7893 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    To want our team to lose, get thumped, is wrong, don’t get me wrong I want a change, certainly Lopetegui and his ‘staff’ plus Sullivan/Brady, but I understand the latter won’t for a long while.
    My view is, if we can see these faults in our team and it’s on pitch direction, why can’t the board? Those paying these ‘pretenders’ their daily crust.

  • @Ian-x3d3u
    @Ian-x3d3u หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Complete sense

  • @davidwebster5946
    @davidwebster5946 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Newcastle fan here tuning in ahead of our game
    I am sorry but I really had to force myself to keep watching after some of those comments. Wanting your own team to lose and describing Moyes leaving "a mess" when he was literally your most successful manager is baffling
    If these two are representative of how most West Ham fans go on then its just a disaster waiting to happen.

    • @johncammegh1509
      @johncammegh1509 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Best to add a comment when you’ve got a clue about what you’re talking about

    • @davidwebster5946
      @davidwebster5946 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @johncammegh1509 Moyes had you 9th last year and left a good squad. Won you a trophy and had you in Europe for was it 3 consecutive seasons?
      Literally the most successful manager you have had in the last 30+ years yet West Ham fans are talking like he took you down to the championship it's embarrassing. The fact people are saying they would rather lose to us and Arsenal is just mind blowing. Personally, I would rather my manager proved me wrong but obviously West Ham fans don't seem to count wanting your team to win as being part of the job description

  • @danielkrampah6654
    @danielkrampah6654 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Daniel opinion yes > mark noble manager west ham good football west ham and Everybody ❤ happy

  • @kevindavies3777
    @kevindavies3777 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I might not agree with everything you say but that’s wot social media is all about that I’m sure we can agree. Others have also mentioned of a mass boycott of the Arsenal home game show Sullivan how pissed off we all are. All media groups need to be singing from the same hymn sheet.

  • @kentandsussexteaandcoffeeco
    @kentandsussexteaandcoffeeco หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m sure we can sort something out 😊

  • @RP9SPORT
    @RP9SPORT หลายเดือนก่อน

    BOYCOTT! WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL GOING TO GAMES? IM GLAD I DIDNT RENEW

  • @MarkWright-jn8lh
    @MarkWright-jn8lh หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why would we be happy to be relegated to the championship when all of our top players would leave . A hard to get out of ????

  • @danielkrampah6654
    @danielkrampah6654 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Daniel > 🤩 Trevor Sinclair manager west ham and Everybody happy ❤ 2025 /26 a trevor Sinclair 🤝 mark noble 😊

  • @chrissyjames7711
    @chrissyjames7711 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We are a high pressing team with no legs in midfield that gets overrun in transition , not all the managers fault its the attacking style we all wanted , we do play some nice patterns sometimes but the central midfield transfers are sub par and now everyones pointing to each other whos at fault for these transfers , sorry love the chat and the show but Alvarez is average he slides in because he has no speed.

  • @markpendleton6492
    @markpendleton6492 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If we got relegated under Sullivan he would only stay until we were promoted again to get the value of the club back up. Guys I don't think we can win.

  • @adamlees8410
    @adamlees8410 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In an ideal world we need a new stadium and owners. Are we going to get that in the real world?. No chance so we're stuck with abject mediocrity in a soulless stadium.