I’d like to assume the relationship with Lucifer and Satan is neutral. If Satan really embodies Wrath, maybe he has a more soft and respectful personality when Lucifer is around. If Satan is the Second in Command of Lucifer, he acts legitimately loyal to him due to the title of General of Hell.
It's possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if Satan would be contemplating with the idea of becoming King of Hell himself. It wouldn't be the first time a military leader turns on the government.
@@lenardbordo9838 He’s basically General Mandible in Antz. He’s basically going to be real ambitious and imperialistic to not only wanting to rule over just Hell by doing a coup against Lucifer, but to try and start unholy wars with Heaven and Earth so he could lay claim to those domains as well.
Personally, I like to imagine that Satan is Lucifer’s second-in-command, leading what was supposed to be a military division. But after seeing his brother sucking at his job as a leader, he’d want to take full control! How’d he do it, I think he’d make beasts of war from all the mythologies while arming them with Angelic armor and weapons.
Satan: Lucifer can I uh....talk to you in private? Look lucifer, I know its our job to torture this guy and everything, but I think he's a lost cause. I think we should cut our losses and get outta here. Lucifer: Don't be ridiculous Satan, we've never given up yet
Big theory:Millie used to work for Satan but is chastised for being too weak compared to his other soldiers and the scene with him saying "You are a disgrace!" is referring to her.
@@CartoonUniversehe might be Charlie’s half brother. Would make sense seeing as he’s, so far, one of the nicer sins. His mom would be namaah, a name that repeats as Noah’s wife, a wife of king Solomon, the one who bound demons , and a demon/succubus who was said to be asmodeus’ mother.
The show is very inconsistent with this. The color of blushing changes between episodes. Stolas blushes red in S1 E6, Moxxie blushes red in S2 E3 but then both Blitz and Fizz blush black in S2 E6 despite all having black blood. And then in HH, every character that blushes turns red, including Lucifer. So Asmodeus blushing gold not necessarily means that he has gold blood.
@@rafaelrocha5997 yes you're right, I think it's just a nice detail made for a reason, I can understand why they made Hellborns blush red since black looks weird but then change it back? Like, if they just went with the black thing I can understand.
I believe that in Hazbin after Luci’s fall he used the seven concepts of sins (sloth, envy, lust, greed, gluttony, wrath, and pride) to separate Hell in seven sections stalked on top of each other he called rings each one representing one of the seven sins, after that he then used six of the sins (sloth, envy, lust, greed, gluttony, and wrath) to create six powerful demonic beings each embodying one of said sin with the purpose of ruling over the rings that represent their respective sin on Luci’s behalf while using the concept of pride the root of all sin to empower himself to establish his rule over the other sins and all of Hell
Lucifer referred himself as the Boss of Hell, in his song. This is true, but Satan and the other sins definitely still bow down to Lucifer. His angelic power allows him to be the ruler and keeps the other sins from rising against him, especially since he is the most powerful sin!
But the thing is, Satan might just be predictably and stereotypically too ambitious. He probably thinks Lucifer has gone too soft and pusillanimous to be a worthy ruler and might be planning a power move. Even Alastor looks down on him and disrespects him.
@@kingbeef66 All the sins seem to act the same if we are being honest. The only reason Lucifer may seem the nicest (besides Beelzebub) is because Pride doesn’t bring out evil intent, it’s just character trait. Plus the only reason Alastor was mean to Lucifer was because Lucifer was there for Charlie and took advantage of the fact Lucifer didn’t want to ruin his relationship with Charlie by attacking her friend.
@@dangerousdictionaryjr Satan destroys lucifer, Lucifer doesnt have Real Lucifer's powers, yeah they might have the same rank, but this isnt actual lucifer we are talking about, this is fannon lucifer, Satan However, I plan they are actually going to make him act like how he usually acts, in that case, satan solos
@@imbecile-v5y In Christianity they don’t really expand on it in the Bible I’m pretty sure. But all the Deadly Sins usually are depicted as fallen angels. But in this universe they don’t seem to be
I would argue that the Sins are definitely not fallen angels, or at least not all part of Lucifer's followers if they were. Because Ozzie says he's "known Mammon since the beginning of hell". If they were fallen angels fighting for the same cause, surely he would have known Mammon longer, in heaven?
Even with my own thoughts on when Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss takes place, I can easily believe that Lucifer being a mediator for Heaven and Hell makes since, especially when you consider hellborns being pardoned from the exterminations. He probably can prevent an all-out war between Heaven and Hell right now because he knows how both sides work.
I’d say Satan acts as the judge of Hell, Lucifer knows he’s far too emotional to truly handle civil matters so that’s what Satan is there for he’s cold and callus but fair and juste making a decision based on the information and not how feels
This would make sense, since ha-satan means “the accuser,” and typically fills the role as a prosecutor in the old testament. I’d LOVE for him to get a few lawyer jokes in. For two shows about hell, I’m shocked at the lack of lawyer jokes, and desperately need Satan to be at the butt of them.
It's obvious that Lucifer is the most powerful of all Seven Deadly Sins. He's both the king of Hell and former Archangel. Also unlike Satan, he has divine powers, thanks to his heavenly origins. I think Satan is second strongest of the Sins.
I like the idea that all the seven sins were once originally really powerful angels that decided to leave heaven in pursuit of forming their own kingdom and chasing after their own obsessions/vices
I think part of the reason we are not getting a huge overlap with systems established in HH and HB is due to the shows having to remain so separate. Like you are right, heaven is doing exterminations because they do not want hell getting out of line but are doing virtually nothing from demons hopping to earth to reek havoc? I see this as the shows while supposedly taking place in the same universe due to probably some legal framework can't really acknowledge the lore building of each other. So HB can't really bring up the angels or exorcists much, and HH only seems to act like Pentagram City is the the near some total of hell. Like realistically heaven should be more worried what the other rings are doing, the sinners are just existing, the princes and other demons are actively influencing earth.
@@tobsonasanya4765 Debateably. And regardless as of now anyway the sinners aren't really doing anything to earth or heaven. However we have sins and demon princes going to earth and wrecking havoc on the humans of earth virtually unchallenged. Is this not something heaven should be looking into? And if not than why not? Like the show barely acknowledges heaven at all yet HH showed they greatly fear hells denizens.
@@tobsonasanya4765 heaven has advanced magical detection so I doubt it. And so what? And apparently many hellborn are immortal and are actively cultivating power on earth. That isn’t a potential threat to heaven? Again it’s because the show probably can’t legally bring up this plot point.
the cherubs made a reference to the exorcists in full moon. i think HB should be able to get away with *referencing* HH as long as it's vague enough and doesn't involve anything with a strict copyright. the names of the demons [and names in general] aren't copyrightable (Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, Stolas, etc) but their character designs are.
There's a misconception that Lucifer's authority is delegated by Heaven, but it seems more like Lucifer's authority was established by a show of his natural powers as a fallen Seraphim.
Something to point out, the demon's of Helluva boss always say things "Satan D*mnit" or "Oh dear Satan" rather than using Lucifer in such a tense. Could mean that Satan rules more of Hell than he should and Lucifer is just kinda there
I honestly just want one of these guys that REALLY looks like a demon. Yeah, Mammon and Asmod are kinda demony looking, but I want something that I can put next to a balrog and a Gaismagorm and it not look super out of place.
Is this a question anyone actually had? Lucifer is the king of hell. He's at the top of the official ranking chart, which measures both authority and actual power
I think Satan is technically in charge of the sins considering Lucifer doesn't really seem to do any ruling period. Lillith was in charge of the sinners, the goetia seem to be self governing, and the short king never leaves his duck palace. I'm sure he could override Satan's orders if he wanted to, but he's busy with important things to do it
He's only presented as a good guy because the show is about his daughter. Imagine if Helluva Boss's main character was Stolas's daughter, it would look a lot different. I guarantee lucifer has his bad side just like anyone else and we just don't really get the opportunity to see the non Charlie caring version of him. Heck even Sera has a evil side and it was just being hidden around Emily, until it accidently started to get shown in the courtroom with Charlie and the rest of the angels present bringing up Sera's sanctioned purges of souls. I don't think their is pure good and pure evil in this shows universe.
I think due to Lucifer being a (Fallen) Seraphim making him overall the most powerful entity in Hell he's granted King status by the demons (Might Makes Right), but due to his indifference to the goings on in Hell, not even caring about the Sinners within his own Ring (Until Charlie convinced him), it left the leadership and enforcement of Hell's laws to Satan who is the next strongest after the royal family.
What I find most interesting is the role of Leviathan in all this. In some texts, Leviathan is referred to as "The True King of Pride", and if he really has Lovecraftian influences then he could be more powerful than Lucifer. If Satan is the one who runs the rest of the sins instead of Lucifer, Leviathan may be conspiring from the shadows to become the sole king of Hell (and perhaps rule the rest of creation).
Christ on a stick, I’ve been talking about this for MONTHS with friends! I feel sorta vindicated with this vid. Satan would be Lucifer’s right hand man, but I also think he’s angry that Lucifer managed to score a hot wife and be as powerful as he is, given his somewhat soft nature and not seeking domination. Hell, before Charlie was born, I’d like to think Satan planned to usurp Lucifer’s rule, but when word got out, Lucifer put a pin on that, reminding everyone, including to the sins, who is in charge.
Based on everything we know about Wrath, Satan wouldn't let Lucifer be called the King of Hell if Lucifer weren't stronger than him. However, I could see Satan following Lilith's orders more than Lucifer's.
To be more specific, I prefer beelzebub to lucifer, but asmodeus is a more likeable character than mammon. Ozzy's charisma and muscular personality enticed me, while Bee's empathy and sophistication surprised me.
Vaya el inframundo es como un arco iris gigante infernal de anillos asombrosos y gobernantes asombrosos, Mira... El gobernante del Orgullo❤️: Lucifer. El rey de La Ira 🧡: Satanás. La reina de La Gula💛: Belcebú. El rey de La Codicia💚: Mamón. El rey de La Lujuria💙: Asmodeo. El rey de La Envidia💜: Leviatán. La reina de La Pereza💝: Belphegor.
Remembering the beginning of the Hazbin Hotel, the circle of pride was mainly ruled by Lilith. I really think she's best suited for the role as Queen of the Pride.
I think Satan would’ve taken the lead while Luci was all in his hidden corner of his world. Satan wouldn’t be the leader in terms of power but he would’ve stepped up, in some way. Either that or they all do their own thing.
I like to look at this though the idea of how the court is set up in heaven. God is the big guy in charge, and he was not at the meeting, even though his is the king and lord of heaven. In the same like you see the same thing happen in Hell with the court being made up of the other sins when Lucifer the king and big boss of Hell is not there. They are mirrors of each other. Mostly like I agree that it seem like Satan is the leader of the court, I do not think he is the leader of the sins or hell, after all Sera is not the leader of the angels or heaven. Satan is Hells Sera, in sense of leadership roles. (Sorry for grammar, it is late at night for me, and I don't feel like correcting it)
My personal take is that Lucifer is just... done with this. Yes, he cares about his daughter and her passion projects, but ultimately... he only really puts in a token effort because he can't be bothered. And those in Hell have forgotten just who and what he is... because he mellowed out over the ages and is basically an old monster hiding in plain sight. Everyone sees the clown and the laughter and the little hobbies... nobody remembers that the serpent to rival Jörmungandr is merely sleeping under that facade. Actually, this gives me an idea....
I think it might be possible that the Sins were Lucifer's friends before he fell from Heaven so when he was banished they followed him and Lucifer put them in their positions as Princes of Sin.
What’s weird is that the most powerful sins seem to rule over the least powerful hellborn (minus Lucifer as my current theory is that the natives of the pride ring are the ars goetia) Satan rules imps and Bee rules hellhounds.
Satan and Beelzebub also share physical traits with their own subjects. I think this is also related to how wild both the Wrath and Gluttony are compared to the other Rings, with nature being predominant, which leads to Imps and Hellhounds having a thougher life-style. A theory of mine is that both Wrath and Gluttony are heavily exploited by the rest of Hell because of their natural resources.
No, lucifer has more authority and is more powerful. Satan was lying when he said that he ruled hell before lucifer. Lucifer caused the creation of hell and him and lilith were to first to be there. Its just that satan has taken charged due to lucifers negligence of hell. And lucifer wasn’t there so satan could literally say whatever he wanted.
Haven't watched the vid yet but my theory is luci created the sins as the population of hell grew, so they are like siblings to each other with Satan being the oldest and the leader of the sins (and I think we all know luci's backseat parenting style). Creation order- satan-bel-lev-ozzy-mam-bee
I think they were created at the same time as hell or when humans were corrupted. Ozzies statement of "I have known Mamon ever since hell was created" proves that. Plus here is a fun theory. How evil the sins are is based on how bad their sins really are. Here is a list from worst to best. Wrath-Satan Envy-Leviathan Greed-Mamon Pride-Lucifer Lust-Asmodeous Sloth-Belphagor Gluttony-Beelzebub
Satan is most likely addressing Asmodeus in the trailer. Mamon states how As is gonna pay for admitting he loves someone. Implying someone can punish him and is stronger then both of them. That someone is most likely Satan. Although I think its gonna be a twist that Satan doesn't really care and is more wrathful over Mamon for thinking he has any right to order him to punish anyone or knows what he believes to be right and wrong.
I think Lucifer is more of a figurehead who doesn't really rule hell and might not be completely aware of the political situation in hell. I think Lilith is more of a ruler than Lucifer and after Lilith disappeared, Satan probably token her place as the new ruler.
"Beelzebub is also a name often associated with Satan and Lucifer, leading to the three being considered an Unholy Trinity to parallel the Holy Trinity when not being considered just one devil figure" I think this concept might be applied in some way in the Hellaverse with how close Queen Bee said she and Satan are: "He is more like a brother to me, you know? But not actually my brother". Satan and Beelzebub seem to share a lot of things in common, both their Rings provide for the rest of Hell (respectively food and beverage), but most importantly they seem to have they share with Lucifer: Satan seems a figure of authority, using his powers to espress strenght and fear, while Beelzebub is more focused on using her powers to provide what others want and push overindulgence. Both these things seem in line with what we have seen Lucifer displaying in Hazbin Hotel, but limited by him being an absent ruler and falling into depression.
Luci isn’t good he allows a genocide to happen and mismanaged his empire allowing it to be as it is. He only appears good because we only see his interaction with friends/family
It would be interesting to see Satan as a war general cowboy. Because if we do get to see it, I'm hoping that we get George Armstrong Custer, aka The Colonel from Spirit Stallion of the Cimarron vibes from him. Plus, if he is a war general, it would mean he is smart and strong. Which is a deadly combination, and if he teams up with Mammon on the situation with Oz and Fizz being together, then it's gonna be bad for them. I don't think Satan is saying you're a disgrace to either Stolas or Blitz. I think it's mostly towards Oz since Crimson called Oz in the Oops episode the weakest of the sins and to be in a relationship with an imp is throwing more mud on the other sins in Satan's mind.
I think Lucifer is definetly more of a hands off leader who neglects his duties while Satan is the one who keeps the other sins in check but Lucifer could still body him if he felt like it
Though the pilot isn't canon anymore we saw Lucifer with some overlords in a hotel like building. I think Lucifer is just like a zeno from dbz to Helluva. Is the most powerful but laid back and doesn't care.
Oh please, Lucifer is literally the King of Hell. He and Lilith created Hell even though it's one of the biggest mistakes in his life. Satan may be stronger and feared, but I have a feeling Lucifer is more powerful than Satan himself. But we'll see what happens.😅😏😬💦
I suppose it's possible that while Lucifer was down in his deep depression over losing his family (and you know ducks) Satan might have stepped up into more of a leadership role among the sins, and now maybe sees himself as the "rightful" leader. Side note, Lucifer mostly seems willing to be a good guy for Charlie, but in any other case he's not above showing his deadliness.
Thing is Lucifer is most likely the second most powerful person in the show because he was able to interact very directly in Earth and all angles seem to be afraid of him. he is also called the prince of heaven. In Christianity he is so powerful he can fight god
I'm sure the rest of the Sins are also fallen angels, since Lucifer is part of this septet and he has performed with them in the circus before. Considering that Vivienne made Lucifer, Satan and Azazel different characters (which was the case in religions initially), I would expect Samael (the main evil in Judaism) to also be a separate villain. Maybe he'll actually be Lucifer's chief assistant for demon affairs. Although, it should be done by Lilith, who breathed life into Hell. But for the last seven years that Lilith has been in Hell, and Lucifer has not been particularly involved in the affairs of Hell, Satan will definitely control the demons. It will be fun if in the future Satan wants to overthrow the melancholy Lucifer in order to rule Hell himself. But then he would also have to deal with Lilith, who would not just leave it like that, returning to Hell. Well, it is clear that Lucifer is the most powerful, because he is the king of Hell. Crimson's words could also be just teasing, because Asmodeus has something to blackmail him with (Fizz and authority). Perhaps, as in the Divine Comedy, the order of the rings in Vivienne shows the severity of the mortal sins, and therefore the power that their demons entail. Those. the rating will be like this: 1) Lucifer (pride). He is the king of hell and is at the very top of the hierarchy. 2) Satan (wrath). In fact, he is the same Devil and absolute evil (in religions). This may have inspired Vivienne to put his ring in second place, plus he is a god to demons (i.e. he created them). It's strange that he doesn't rule Hell. 3) Beelzebub (gluttony). In religions, Beelzebub was the second hand of Satan (Lucifer), which is confirmed by the close relationship between the Bee and Satan (they relate to each other as brother and sister). 4) Mammon (greed)* 5) Asmodeus (lust)* 6) Leviathan (envy). If he represents envy, then perhaps he is also jealous of the strength of his colleagues. 7) Belphegor (sloth). She can be the most harmless, because she is too lazy to even fight. * - it’s strange that Mammon is stronger than Asmodeus, because in myths there was a battle between them, in which Asmodeus won, cruelly torturing Mammon. Maybe Mammon's big money (called souls) was at play here, or Asmodeus is quite peaceful. I don't know...
Vivziepop already confirmed it was a lie, he only ruled hell after Lucifer left, he was meant to come back in 5 minutes according to his note but he never did, so Satan stayed as the leader of all sins and as hell in general, keep in mind Lucifer doesn’t care as he’s depressed.
Well Lucifer just seems to make rubber ducks even though he’s the founder and king of Hell, so it would make sense that Satan does all the major management of Hell. Can’t wait to see Belphegor and Leviathan who haven’t appeared yet with Satan.
I feel like Ausmodeus, and Lucifer, would walk into a bar not knowing eachother at all, and just leave best friends!😊 I REALLY want to see Lucifer and Ausmodeus interact with eachother, in sinsmas! Even though it probably won't happen! :(((
I feel that Lucifer still embodies pride, in the show her acts almost dismissive of the sinners and how they act even though he is technically responsible for how they act due to giving them free will, he embodies pride in the sense that he doesn’t see what he did as wrong and only really cares about his family just as many parents do, which can be the pride that some fathers have for their family
One thing of consideration is we are seeing most of these in how they interact with each other and other demons, not with humans on Earth. Lucifer especially as it's with his daughter. Although he seems indifferent to the Sinners and thus not likely interested in corrupting the Earth or interested in protecting it, although the bit in the song of usually requiring a sacrificial lamb to make a deal with him may imply he may occasionally take interest in some humans on Earth. Also of note as stated in episode 1 of Hazbin Hotel the angels don't target hellborn demons during the extermination because Lucifer gave them a pardon for it, and the way Sera stated to Adam because he failed to keep the demons in check Lucifer is now involved raises some eyebrows as well to what his role is, Hell is both a punishment for him to see only the evil of humanity but he also controls what actions can be taken against or from Hell.
Lucifer is the strongest in Hell but barely does anything to influence it. He doesn't lead anything. He cares far too less as he lost hope. The real question is if Lilith leads all the seven sins since lorewise, it seemed to indicate she rules over Hell
Courtroom Ep is most definitely the one titled Sinsmass so... it's the Christmas episode. The Twink Elsa, Andrealphus is attending so I definitely think Sinsmass is the ep that the Trial will be happening. And because Andrealphus is there, I think he's gonna be trying to publicly shame Stolas for all the damage he's done to his sister.
In the 2nd episode Robot Fizz shows the contract showing he called Lucifer his friend. And even though the Sins are aloud to run a little chaos. They will still get in trouble if they pull a massive stunt like getting seen, or making a giant monster. I think the Sins just do this to stick it to heaven and don't mean to kill (too many people) so Lucifer would allow it.
I’m thinking that for all intents and purposes Lucifer will be the ruler of the sinners while Satan is the ruler of the hellborn. This will allow for a greater split between Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel because Lucifer will only need to appear in Hazbin while Satan and the other sins only appear in Helluva. Lore-wise I think what would make most sense is if Satan were the original ruler of Hell before Lucifer was exiled there and either Lucifer overpowered him or the two tacitly share power. I’m thinking overall it would make some sense for the sins to either all be hellborn or a mix of hellborn and fallen. I could see Bee and Satan being hellborn with both originally ruling over hellhounds and imps respectively, while Azmodius and Mammon I could see being fallen angels. The show seems to be implying the Goetia like Stolas are fallen, due to them only being killed by angelic weapons and since Asmodius design fits in best with the Goetia he would likewise be a fallen Angel. It would also explain why the taboo of Stolas and other Goetia sleeping with Imps doesn’t seem to apply to Bee dating a hellhound, a fallen and an imp would be mixing holy and infernal blood while Bee and hellhounds would both be infernal.
Stolas is an Hellborn, his blood is black. Sincerly, I think all the Sins originated in Hell, with Satan and Beelzebub being the strongest because they are closer to their Rings in terms of nature.
It's a concept that exists since the Book of Revelation with the Red Dragon, the Beast of the Earth and the Beast of the Sea leading to the Apocalypse.
I don’t think Ozzie has those motives, to me it feels like he was like that at the start of hell but has grown out of it, even going more towards love rather than lust, he just had to keep the lust persona for the citizens of hell, the Succubi just keep doing what they are doing because Ozzie doesn’t care enough to stop them. At least in my opinion.
I feel most of the sins would be more supporting of more active entity. This comes from after watching episode 11. Lucifer hasn't been really active in the other sin's eyes though you have a couple of them actively supporting Blitz and Stolas without the presence of Lucifer. Also one thing to show was the other sins rising up and singing along with Satan "He is the Law'
It could also be that Lucifer has/is not always as her interacts with Charlie. There are several millenia before Charlie was ever born. So his demonic side isn't needed with her. Also it could be that the powers of the sins are connected to the numbers of souls in hell. If so heavens focus on ending killing sinners may be the only way heaven can stop this, but the deal between Lucifer and heaven probably has a consequence that heaven hasn't realized.
I am voting for Lucifer, He may be an adorable bumbling bee dad, but he kicks more ass then Millie so I think he definitely leads the troop more then Satan
So since there's been some updates, I wanna float out some theories for Hazbin season 2. I picture the season starting with Vox leaking the fact that Vaggie's an Exorcist, which will probably cause drama. And then we see what Pentious is up to in Heaven, and Lute sees him, and goes even MORE nuts, which leads to dissent among the Exorcists (because it's weird that Vaggie was the only one who isn't a total psycho) and maybe we could see Heaven dealing with the Exterminations existing and then Emily would tell Charlie and then Vaggie would feel guilt for all the souls she's killed and then maybe more backstory on Hell and Eden and maybe Rosie joins the Hotel as a guidance councilor and maybe the Von Eldritches show up and we could see Hell being prettied up and free healthcare is back maybe we could find out what, if any, prophecies Charlie might be in regarding Earth we could learn more about Alastor's and Lilith's deals and maybe some backstory on the Sinners or Vaggie and the season could end with a cameo from *MICHAEL*
Can’t wait to see how hellvua boss deals with satan in the series
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What if...they made him goofy?
@@TylerHickman-is2yc nah he looks like strong and serioes person
“Looks like you could use some help, from the big boss of Hell himself”
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“Today I think it’s time we talk about satan” that’s one way of starting a video
Michael the ark angel beats both of them
sounds like we are becoming Satanist lmao
Every day is a good day to talk about Satan
@@AngelOfNoMercy fr lmaoo
If my parents understood English and they heard that line, they would start questioning me loll
@@CreatorProductionsOriginalit’s fine it’s just a fictional version of him not the real one but ya out of context that sounds weird
I’d like to assume the relationship with Lucifer and Satan is neutral. If Satan really embodies Wrath, maybe he has a more soft and respectful personality when Lucifer is around. If Satan is the Second in Command of Lucifer, he acts legitimately loyal to him due to the title of General of Hell.
That would make sense.
It's possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if Satan would be contemplating with the idea of becoming King of Hell himself. It wouldn't be the first time a military leader turns on the government.
@@lenardbordo9838 He’s basically General Mandible in Antz. He’s basically going to be real ambitious and imperialistic to not only wanting to rule over just Hell by doing a coup against Lucifer, but to try and start unholy wars with Heaven and Earth so he could lay claim to those domains as well.
@@lenardbordo9838 he can try but he should know that it would fail in the moment he wants to tske down lucifer
I’d say it’s toxic because satan would probably would want to over throw lucifer
I like to think that Satan is Lucifers right hand man and is sort of the unofficial leader of the sins at least when Lucifer isn't around.
Or Lilith.
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Perhaps.
Personally, I like to imagine that Satan is Lucifer’s second-in-command, leading what was supposed to be a military division.
But after seeing his brother sucking at his job as a leader, he’d want to take full control! How’d he do it, I think he’d make beasts of war from all the mythologies while arming them with Angelic armor and weapons.
That's a really good theory.
I know it's just me but I wanna see someone animate a skit of Satan and lucifer argue exactly from the smiling friends.
There was a kingdom know have it to satan and hell to pride!
@@cnkelsie1963...what?
Satan: Lucifer can I uh....talk to you in private?
Look lucifer, I know its our job to torture this guy and everything, but I think he's a lost cause. I think we should cut our losses and get outta here.
Lucifer: Don't be ridiculous Satan, we've never given up yet
@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 well that but also the one where the boss argues with Satan.
The scene if Mr Boss arguing with the Devil about his ownership of Hell
Big theory:Millie used to work for Satan but is chastised for being too weak compared to his other soldiers and the scene with him saying "You are a disgrace!" is referring to her.
3:16 Asmodeus blushes gold, implying he has Gold blood. It could be just artistic depiction but it's weird they didn't give him more yellowish green
Gonna make a short on that
@@CartoonUniversehe might be Charlie’s half brother. Would make sense seeing as he’s, so far, one of the nicer sins. His mom would be namaah, a name that repeats as Noah’s wife, a wife of king Solomon, the one who bound demons , and a demon/succubus who was said to be asmodeus’ mother.
The show is very inconsistent with this. The color of blushing changes between episodes. Stolas blushes red in S1 E6, Moxxie blushes red in S2 E3 but then both Blitz and Fizz blush black in S2 E6 despite all having black blood.
And then in HH, every character that blushes turns red, including Lucifer.
So Asmodeus blushing gold not necessarily means that he has gold blood.
@@rafaelrocha5997 yes you're right, I think it's just a nice detail made for a reason, I can understand why they made Hellborns blush red since black looks weird but then change it back? Like, if they just went with the black thing I can understand.
I believe that in Hazbin after Luci’s fall he used the seven concepts of sins (sloth, envy, lust, greed, gluttony, wrath, and pride) to separate Hell in seven sections stalked on top of each other he called rings each one representing one of the seven sins, after that he then used six of the sins (sloth, envy, lust, greed, gluttony, and wrath) to create six powerful demonic beings each embodying one of said sin with the purpose of ruling over the rings that represent their respective sin on Luci’s behalf while using the concept of pride the root of all sin to empower himself to establish his rule over the other sins and all of Hell
I like to see them as arch rivals that will constantly argue over who's the better leader.
Lucifer may be the leader of Hell, but Satan may be the one who truly understands it.
That could be possible. Especially since Lucifer doesn't even seem to bother visiting the other rings of hell.
Lucifer may seen as King to all Hellborn.
But Satan where seen like they God to all Hellborns
@@lenardbordo9838lucifer is just a very powerful person with adhd
Lucifer referred himself as the Boss of Hell, in his song. This is true, but Satan and the other sins definitely still bow down to Lucifer. His angelic power allows him to be the ruler and keeps the other sins from rising against him, especially since he is the most powerful sin!
But the thing is, Satan might just be predictably and stereotypically too ambitious. He probably thinks Lucifer has gone too soft and pusillanimous to be a worthy ruler and might be planning a power move. Even Alastor looks down on him and disrespects him.
@@kingbeef66 All the sins seem to act the same if we are being honest. The only reason Lucifer may seem the nicest (besides Beelzebub) is because Pride doesn’t bring out evil intent, it’s just character trait. Plus the only reason Alastor was mean to Lucifer was because Lucifer was there for Charlie and took advantage of the fact Lucifer didn’t want to ruin his relationship with Charlie by attacking her friend.
@@dangerousdictionaryjr Satan destroys lucifer, Lucifer doesnt have Real Lucifer's powers, yeah they might have the same rank, but this isnt actual lucifer we are talking about, this is fannon lucifer, Satan However, I plan they are actually going to make him act like how he usually acts, in that case, satan solos
@@dangerousdictionaryjr Wait aren't all of this sins fallen angels? In The Bible and in Jewish Mythology, all of the sins were Rebel Angels.
@@imbecile-v5y In Christianity they don’t really expand on it in the Bible I’m pretty sure. But all the Deadly Sins usually are depicted as fallen angels. But in this universe they don’t seem to be
I would argue that the Sins are definitely not fallen angels, or at least not all part of Lucifer's followers if they were. Because Ozzie says he's "known Mammon since the beginning of hell". If they were fallen angels fighting for the same cause, surely he would have known Mammon longer, in heaven?
Is just realized all the deadly sin rings make a rainbow together 💀💀💀😭😭😭
Ha don’t worry about that just be respectful to everyone and be kind to people you may disagree with and everything will be ok.
Even with my own thoughts on when Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss takes place, I can easily believe that Lucifer being a mediator for Heaven and Hell makes since, especially when you consider hellborns being pardoned from the exterminations. He probably can prevent an all-out war between Heaven and Hell right now because he knows how both sides work.
I swear if Lucifer doesn’t appear there just gonna make a excuse of why he isn’t present but if he does it would be a interesting crossover
I’d say Satan acts as the judge of Hell, Lucifer knows he’s far too emotional to truly handle civil matters so that’s what Satan is there for he’s cold and callus but fair and juste making a decision based on the information and not how feels
This would make sense, since ha-satan means “the accuser,” and typically fills the role as a prosecutor in the old testament. I’d LOVE for him to get a few lawyer jokes in. For two shows about hell, I’m shocked at the lack of lawyer jokes, and desperately need Satan to be at the butt of them.
@@Animokey Ehh they probably think the lawyer jokes are way too low hanging fruit and waiting til a point it makes sense to use them
@@hyperdreamer9483 Totally fair. But when it happens, I’ll be wheezing
Bro was right 😅
Well now we know he is DEFINITELY neither fair nor just 😂😂😂 💀
It's obvious that Lucifer is the most powerful of all Seven Deadly Sins. He's both the king of Hell and former Archangel. Also unlike Satan, he has divine powers, thanks to his heavenly origins. I think Satan is second strongest of the Sins.
And doesn't the second always wish to be the first? At least most of the time.
I feel like Lucifer is more like a hands-off ruler at least for the seven years he was depressed.
"take that depresson!"
I like the idea that all the seven sins were once originally really powerful angels that decided to leave heaven in pursuit of forming their own kingdom and chasing after their own obsessions/vices
I think part of the reason we are not getting a huge overlap with systems established in HH and HB is due to the shows having to remain so separate. Like you are right, heaven is doing exterminations because they do not want hell getting out of line but are doing virtually nothing from demons hopping to earth to reek havoc? I see this as the shows while supposedly taking place in the same universe due to probably some legal framework can't really acknowledge the lore building of each other. So HB can't really bring up the angels or exorcists much, and HH only seems to act like Pentagram City is the the near some total of hell. Like realistically heaven should be more worried what the other rings are doing, the sinners are just existing, the princes and other demons are actively influencing earth.
Sinners are more dangerous though
@@tobsonasanya4765 Debateably. And regardless as of now anyway the sinners aren't really doing anything to earth or heaven. However we have sins and demon princes going to earth and wrecking havoc on the humans of earth virtually unchallenged. Is this not something heaven should be looking into? And if not than why not? Like the show barely acknowledges heaven at all yet HH showed they greatly fear hells denizens.
Maybe they don't know. Plus hellborns can be killed by normal means so
@@tobsonasanya4765 heaven has advanced magical detection so I doubt it. And so what? And apparently many hellborn are immortal and are actively cultivating power on earth. That isn’t a potential threat to heaven? Again it’s because the show probably can’t legally bring up this plot point.
the cherubs made a reference to the exorcists in full moon. i think HB should be able to get away with *referencing* HH as long as it's vague enough and doesn't involve anything with a strict copyright. the names of the demons [and names in general] aren't copyrightable (Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, Stolas, etc) but their character designs are.
There's a misconception that Lucifer's authority is delegated by Heaven, but it seems more like Lucifer's authority was established by a show of his natural powers as a fallen Seraphim.
Something to point out, the demon's of Helluva boss always say things "Satan D*mnit" or "Oh dear Satan" rather than using Lucifer in such a tense. Could mean that Satan rules more of Hell than he should and Lucifer is just kinda there
I honestly just want one of these guys that REALLY looks like a demon. Yeah, Mammon and Asmod are kinda demony looking, but I want something that I can put next to a balrog and a Gaismagorm and it not look super out of place.
With a name like leviathan and all of the envy demons being fish people you might get your wish
@@outbreakperfected5704 I can only hope.
@@greenhydra10he better be a kaju sized monster in his true form to be accurate although just having him be the biggest sin in size would Sufic.
If I had to guess, Satan might be the first Hellborn created from pure hatred.
If Lucifer makes a fight With Satan in HELLUVA Boss , It would be a pretty good occasion to see Lucifer real full Power
Is this a question anyone actually had?
Lucifer is the king of hell. He's at the top of the official ranking chart, which measures both authority and actual power
I think Satan is technically in charge of the sins considering Lucifer doesn't really seem to do any ruling period. Lillith was in charge of the sinners, the goetia seem to be self governing, and the short king never leaves his duck palace. I'm sure he could override Satan's orders if he wanted to, but he's busy with important things to do it
He's only presented as a good guy because the show is about his daughter. Imagine if Helluva Boss's main character was Stolas's daughter, it would look a lot different. I guarantee lucifer has his bad side just like anyone else and we just don't really get the opportunity to see the non Charlie caring version of him.
Heck even Sera has a evil side and it was just being hidden around Emily, until it accidently started to get shown in the courtroom with Charlie and the rest of the angels present bringing up Sera's sanctioned purges of souls. I don't think their is pure good and pure evil in this shows universe.
to be fair charlie does seem baised: seeming to fail to understand the guys going through while praising him in other times
Lucifer may have not lead that hard but at least he will develop how to lead more
Character development after beating depression
Ozzie isn't bad, he's just drawn that way.
Me: Waiting for the ultimate cross over
I think due to Lucifer being a (Fallen) Seraphim making him overall the most powerful entity in Hell he's granted King status by the demons (Might Makes Right), but due to his indifference to the goings on in Hell, not even caring about the Sinners within his own Ring (Until Charlie convinced him), it left the leadership and enforcement of Hell's laws to Satan who is the next strongest after the royal family.
Really great info about the sins being fallen angels vs something else. I have seen a lot of confusion online about this.
What I find most interesting is the role of Leviathan in all this. In some texts, Leviathan is referred to as "The True King of Pride", and if he really has Lovecraftian influences then he could be more powerful than Lucifer.
If Satan is the one who runs the rest of the sins instead of Lucifer, Leviathan may be conspiring from the shadows to become the sole king of Hell (and perhaps rule the rest of creation).
funny cause technically pride has two rulers: lev and fredrick(lucis friend)
Christ on a stick, I’ve been talking about this for MONTHS with friends! I feel sorta vindicated with this vid. Satan would be Lucifer’s right hand man, but I also think he’s angry that Lucifer managed to score a hot wife and be as powerful as he is, given his somewhat soft nature and not seeking domination. Hell, before Charlie was born, I’d like to think Satan planned to usurp Lucifer’s rule, but when word got out, Lucifer put a pin on that, reminding everyone, including to the sins, who is in charge.
Based on everything we know about Wrath, Satan wouldn't let Lucifer be called the King of Hell if Lucifer weren't stronger than him. However, I could see Satan following Lilith's orders more than Lucifer's.
To be more specific, I prefer beelzebub to lucifer, but asmodeus is a more likeable character than mammon.
Ozzy's charisma and muscular personality enticed me, while Bee's empathy and sophistication surprised me.
Vaya el inframundo es como un arco iris gigante infernal de anillos asombrosos y gobernantes asombrosos, Mira...
El gobernante del Orgullo❤️: Lucifer.
El rey de La Ira 🧡: Satanás.
La reina de La Gula💛: Belcebú.
El rey de La Codicia💚: Mamón.
El rey de La Lujuria💙: Asmodeo.
El rey de La Envidia💜: Leviatán.
La reina de La Pereza💝: Belphegor.
Remembering the beginning of the Hazbin Hotel, the circle of pride was mainly ruled by Lilith. I really think she's best suited for the role as Queen of the Pride.
Lucifer literally calls himself the big boss of hell himself if he's not the leader of the 7 sins than I don't know who is
3:15 my head canon is Lucifer is fallen, Satan is natural born and the rest were the original sinners of the sins they represent
I think Satan would’ve taken the lead while Luci was all in his hidden corner of his world. Satan wouldn’t be the leader in terms of power but he would’ve stepped up, in some way.
Either that or they all do their own thing.
I like to look at this though the idea of how the court is set up in heaven. God is the big guy in charge, and he was not at the meeting, even though his is the king and lord of heaven. In the same like you see the same thing happen in Hell with the court being made up of the other sins when Lucifer the king and big boss of Hell is not there. They are mirrors of each other. Mostly like I agree that it seem like Satan is the leader of the court, I do not think he is the leader of the sins or hell, after all Sera is not the leader of the angels or heaven. Satan is Hells Sera, in sense of leadership roles. (Sorry for grammar, it is late at night for me, and I don't feel like correcting it)
My personal take is that Lucifer is just... done with this. Yes, he cares about his daughter and her passion projects, but ultimately... he only really puts in a token effort because he can't be bothered. And those in Hell have forgotten just who and what he is... because he mellowed out over the ages and is basically an old monster hiding in plain sight. Everyone sees the clown and the laughter and the little hobbies... nobody remembers that the serpent to rival Jörmungandr is merely sleeping under that facade.
Actually, this gives me an idea....
And we just got a pride day art of most characters in Helluva boss!
Lucifer DEFINITELY leads the Seven Deadly Sins. He has Angelic Powers, to keep Satan himself in check.
Asmodean said he had known Mammon since the start of Hell. This heavily implies that they existed before Hell.
I think it might be possible that the Sins were Lucifer's friends before he fell from Heaven so when he was banished they followed him and Lucifer put them in their positions as Princes of Sin.
@@leebulger7112 I like to think Asmodean was his closest friend, and that Mammon was a friend of a friend. Just my opinion tho idk
@@DanielWeisser-u9n That could work to I would love to see their back stories.
@@leebulger7112Eh no
@@tobsonasanya4765 No what?
What’s weird is that the most powerful sins seem to rule over the least powerful hellborn (minus Lucifer as my current theory is that the natives of the pride ring are the ars goetia) Satan rules imps and Bee rules hellhounds.
Satan and Beelzebub also share physical traits with their own subjects.
I think this is also related to how wild both the Wrath and Gluttony are compared to the other Rings, with nature being predominant, which leads to Imps and Hellhounds having a thougher life-style. A theory of mine is that both Wrath and Gluttony are heavily exploited by the rest of Hell because of their natural resources.
We need a video on how Mammon won a court case against Lucifer, like, does copyright exist in hell?
Hope we see see Lucifer in that episode where there going to have a meeting
Well, seems like Satan is having more authority
No, lucifer has more authority and is more powerful.
Satan was lying when he said that he ruled hell before lucifer.
Lucifer caused the creation of hell and him and lilith were to first to be there.
Its just that satan has taken charged due to lucifers negligence of hell.
And lucifer wasn’t there so satan could literally say whatever he wanted.
hazbin and helluva truly making a collab will shake the earth
Haven't watched the vid yet but my theory is luci created the sins as the population of hell grew, so they are like siblings to each other with Satan being the oldest and the leader of the sins (and I think we all know luci's backseat parenting style). Creation order- satan-bel-lev-ozzy-mam-bee
I don't think Lucifer created them. Maybe they parts of Roo or fallen angles.
@@zeleeba8774I think the Sins were Lucifer's friends before he fell from Heaven.
I think they were created at the same time as hell or when humans were corrupted. Ozzies statement of "I have known Mamon ever since hell was created" proves that. Plus here is a fun theory. How evil the sins are is based on how bad their sins really are. Here is a list from worst to best.
Wrath-Satan
Envy-Leviathan
Greed-Mamon
Pride-Lucifer
Lust-Asmodeous
Sloth-Belphagor
Gluttony-Beelzebub
Great video.😊
Satan is most likely addressing Asmodeus in the trailer. Mamon states how As is gonna pay for admitting he loves someone. Implying someone can punish him and is stronger then both of them. That someone is most likely Satan. Although I think its gonna be a twist that Satan doesn't really care and is more wrathful over Mamon for thinking he has any right to order him to punish anyone or knows what he believes to be right and wrong.
I think Lucifer is more of a figurehead who doesn't really rule hell and might not be completely aware of the political situation in hell. I think Lilith is more of a ruler than Lucifer and after Lilith disappeared, Satan probably token her place as the new ruler.
Makes sense plus for one who
Has known heaven hell is nothing
From what I heard from Vivzie Satan and Leviathan are both massive traditionalists
"Beelzebub is also a name often associated with Satan and Lucifer, leading to the three being considered an Unholy Trinity to parallel the Holy Trinity when not being considered just one devil figure"
I think this concept might be applied in some way in the Hellaverse with how close Queen Bee said she and Satan are: "He is more like a brother to me, you know? But not actually my brother".
Satan and Beelzebub seem to share a lot of things in common, both their Rings provide for the rest of Hell (respectively food and beverage), but most importantly they seem to have they share with Lucifer: Satan seems a figure of authority, using his powers to espress strenght and fear, while Beelzebub is more focused on using her powers to provide what others want and push overindulgence. Both these things seem in line with what we have seen Lucifer displaying in Hazbin Hotel, but limited by him being an absent ruler and falling into depression.
Oh I really like the ideas here!
Luci isn’t good he allows a genocide to happen and mismanaged his empire allowing it to be as it is. He only appears good because we only see his interaction with friends/family
1:32 you’re forgetting leviathan, a name also associated with Satan and member of the ORIGINAL unholy trinity.
Lucifer will literally destroy satan he is the king of bell for a reason and he will kill satan if he even tries to fight him
Can you do a video of how powerful the Morningstar family may be Lucifer/Lilith/Charlie.
It would be interesting to see Satan as a war general cowboy. Because if we do get to see it, I'm hoping that we get George Armstrong Custer, aka The Colonel from Spirit Stallion of the Cimarron vibes from him. Plus, if he is a war general, it would mean he is smart and strong. Which is a deadly combination, and if he teams up with Mammon on the situation with Oz and Fizz being together, then it's gonna be bad for them. I don't think Satan is saying you're a disgrace to either Stolas or Blitz. I think it's mostly towards Oz since Crimson called Oz in the Oops episode the weakest of the sins and to be in a relationship with an imp is throwing more mud on the other sins in Satan's mind.
I think Lucifer is definetly more of a hands off leader who neglects his duties while Satan is the one who keeps the other sins in check but Lucifer could still body him if he felt like it
Though the pilot isn't canon anymore we saw Lucifer with some overlords in a hotel like building. I think Lucifer is just like a zeno from dbz to Helluva. Is the most powerful but laid back and doesn't care.
Oh please, Lucifer is literally the King of Hell. He and Lilith created Hell even though it's one of the biggest mistakes in his life. Satan may be stronger and feared, but I have a feeling Lucifer is more powerful than Satan himself. But we'll see what happens.😅😏😬💦
It's never stated they made hell just the influence of evil in humans
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i thought razzle and dazzle was satan help💀😭
I suppose it's possible that while Lucifer was down in his deep depression over losing his family (and you know ducks) Satan might have stepped up into more of a leadership role among the sins, and now maybe sees himself as the "rightful" leader.
Side note, Lucifer mostly seems willing to be a good guy for Charlie, but in any other case he's not above showing his deadliness.
Thing is Lucifer is most likely the second most powerful person in the show because he was able to interact very directly in Earth and all angles seem to be afraid of him. he is also called the prince of heaven. In Christianity he is so powerful he can fight god
I'm sure the rest of the Sins are also fallen angels, since Lucifer is part of this septet and he has performed with them in the circus before.
Considering that Vivienne made Lucifer, Satan and Azazel different characters (which was the case in religions initially), I would expect Samael (the main evil in Judaism) to also be a separate villain. Maybe he'll actually be Lucifer's chief assistant for demon affairs. Although, it should be done by Lilith, who breathed life into Hell. But for the last seven years that Lilith has been in Hell, and Lucifer has not been particularly involved in the affairs of Hell, Satan will definitely control the demons. It will be fun if in the future Satan wants to overthrow the melancholy Lucifer in order to rule Hell himself. But then he would also have to deal with Lilith, who would not just leave it like that, returning to Hell.
Well, it is clear that Lucifer is the most powerful, because he is the king of Hell. Crimson's words could also be just teasing, because Asmodeus has something to blackmail him with (Fizz and authority). Perhaps, as in the Divine Comedy, the order of the rings in Vivienne shows the severity of the mortal sins, and therefore the power that their demons entail. Those. the rating will be like this:
1) Lucifer (pride). He is the king of hell and is at the very top of the hierarchy.
2) Satan (wrath). In fact, he is the same Devil and absolute evil (in religions). This may have inspired Vivienne to put his ring in second place, plus he is a god to demons (i.e. he created them). It's strange that he doesn't rule Hell.
3) Beelzebub (gluttony). In religions, Beelzebub was the second hand of Satan (Lucifer), which is confirmed by the close relationship between the Bee and Satan (they relate to each other as brother and sister).
4) Mammon (greed)*
5) Asmodeus (lust)*
6) Leviathan (envy). If he represents envy, then perhaps he is also jealous of the strength of his colleagues.
7) Belphegor (sloth). She can be the most harmless, because she is too lazy to even fight.
* - it’s strange that Mammon is stronger than Asmodeus, because in myths there was a battle between them, in which Asmodeus won, cruelly torturing Mammon. Maybe Mammon's big money (called souls) was at play here, or Asmodeus is quite peaceful. I don't know...
Satan has appeared and now he’s claiming to be ruling long before Lucifer showed up. Question is who’s winning?
Vivziepop already confirmed it was a lie, he only ruled hell after Lucifer left, he was meant to come back in 5 minutes according to his note but he never did, so Satan stayed as the leader of all sins and as hell in general, keep in mind Lucifer doesn’t care as he’s depressed.
Luci is FROM HEAVEN. It makes sense that he does have stricter moral code
Well Lucifer just seems to make rubber ducks even though he’s the founder and king of Hell, so it would make sense that Satan does all the major management of Hell. Can’t wait to see Belphegor and Leviathan who haven’t appeared yet with Satan.
I feel like Ausmodeus, and Lucifer, would walk into a bar not knowing eachother at all, and just leave best friends!😊 I REALLY want to see Lucifer and Ausmodeus interact with eachother, in sinsmas! Even though it probably won't happen! :(((
I feel that Lucifer still embodies pride, in the show her acts almost dismissive of the sinners and how they act even though he is technically responsible for how they act due to giving them free will, he embodies pride in the sense that he doesn’t see what he did as wrong and only really cares about his family just as many parents do, which can be the pride that some fathers have for their family
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I just wanna say it: I will go ballistic if we get to see Luci in Helluva boss :D
One thing of consideration is we are seeing most of these in how they interact with each other and other demons, not with humans on Earth. Lucifer especially as it's with his daughter. Although he seems indifferent to the Sinners and thus not likely interested in corrupting the Earth or interested in protecting it, although the bit in the song of usually requiring a sacrificial lamb to make a deal with him may imply he may occasionally take interest in some humans on Earth. Also of note as stated in episode 1 of Hazbin Hotel the angels don't target hellborn demons during the extermination because Lucifer gave them a pardon for it, and the way Sera stated to Adam because he failed to keep the demons in check Lucifer is now involved raises some eyebrows as well to what his role is, Hell is both a punishment for him to see only the evil of humanity but he also controls what actions can be taken against or from Hell.
Lucifer is the strongest in Hell but barely does anything to influence it. He doesn't lead anything. He cares far too less as he lost hope. The real question is if Lilith leads all the seven sins since lorewise, it seemed to indicate she rules over Hell
Courtroom Ep is most definitely the one titled Sinsmass so... it's the Christmas episode. The Twink Elsa, Andrealphus is attending so I definitely think Sinsmass is the ep that the Trial will be happening. And because Andrealphus is there, I think he's gonna be trying to publicly shame Stolas for all the damage he's done to his sister.
judging by Vivien's statements, the strongest sins are: Lucifer, Satan and Leviathan
any source on the Leviathan one?
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Vivienne said that she would rely on the mythology of Satan and Leviathan, and initially Leviathan was part of the trinity
can you tell me where she said this? rely on the mythology of satan and leviathan in what sense?
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to paraphrase, she said they would be true to their roots
In the 2nd episode Robot Fizz shows the contract showing he called Lucifer his friend. And even though the Sins are aloud to run a little chaos. They will still get in trouble if they pull a massive stunt like getting seen, or making a giant monster. I think the Sins just do this to stick it to heaven and don't mean to kill (too many people) so Lucifer would allow it.
I’m thinking that for all intents and purposes Lucifer will be the ruler of the sinners while Satan is the ruler of the hellborn. This will allow for a greater split between Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel because Lucifer will only need to appear in Hazbin while Satan and the other sins only appear in Helluva. Lore-wise I think what would make most sense is if Satan were the original ruler of Hell before Lucifer was exiled there and either Lucifer overpowered him or the two tacitly share power. I’m thinking overall it would make some sense for the sins to either all be hellborn or a mix of hellborn and fallen. I could see Bee and Satan being hellborn with both originally ruling over hellhounds and imps respectively, while Azmodius and Mammon I could see being fallen angels. The show seems to be implying the Goetia like Stolas are fallen, due to them only being killed by angelic weapons and since Asmodius design fits in best with the Goetia he would likewise be a fallen Angel. It would also explain why the taboo of Stolas and other Goetia sleeping with Imps doesn’t seem to apply to Bee dating a hellhound, a fallen and an imp would be mixing holy and infernal blood while Bee and hellhounds would both be infernal.
Stolas is an Hellborn, his blood is black.
Sincerly, I think all the Sins originated in Hell, with Satan and Beelzebub being the strongest because they are closer to their Rings in terms of nature.
I know this doesn’t relate to the video but I find it hilarious that mammon has a finger skateboard and fidget spinner on his desk at 7:36
1:34 unholy trinity? Faith reference?
It's a concept that exists since the Book of Revelation with the Red Dragon, the Beast of the Earth and the Beast of the Sea leading to the Apocalypse.
I think the reason why Lucifer and the other powerful angels are deliberately holding their powers back to avoid causing collateral damage.
I don’t think Ozzie has those motives, to me it feels like he was like that at the start of hell but has grown out of it, even going more towards love rather than lust, he just had to keep the lust persona for the citizens of hell, the Succubi just keep doing what they are doing because Ozzie doesn’t care enough to stop them. At least in my opinion.
I have a theory that this episode will be Mastermind
They back pedalled in Stolas' work being evil, one of the things they didn't want to adopt from the pilot.
The demon represents the sin of wrath, Azazil
I feel most of the sins would be more supporting of more active entity. This comes from after watching episode 11. Lucifer hasn't been really active in the other sin's eyes though you have a couple of them actively supporting Blitz and Stolas without the presence of Lucifer. Also one thing to show was the other sins rising up and singing along with Satan "He is the Law'
Mr. Angry Is a cowboy
Cowboys are cool
Duck master got bonus ducks
Ducks are cool
It could also be that Lucifer has/is not always as her interacts with Charlie. There are several millenia before Charlie was ever born. So his demonic side isn't needed with her. Also it could be that the powers of the sins are connected to the numbers of souls in hell. If so heavens focus on ending killing sinners may be the only way heaven can stop this, but the deal between Lucifer and heaven probably has a consequence that heaven hasn't realized.
Of course Mammon is that evil, since his sin of greed is basically selfishness and exploitation incarcerated.
I am voting for Lucifer, He may be an adorable bumbling bee dad, but he kicks more ass then Millie so I think he definitely leads the troop more then Satan
I think the courtroom might be Stella and Stolases divorce court.
5:29 ONE PEICE!!!
So since there's been some updates, I wanna float out some theories for Hazbin season 2.
I picture the season starting with Vox leaking the fact that Vaggie's an Exorcist, which will probably cause drama. And then we see what Pentious is up to in Heaven, and Lute sees him, and goes even MORE nuts, which leads to dissent among the Exorcists (because it's weird that Vaggie was the only one who isn't a total psycho) and maybe we could see Heaven dealing with the Exterminations existing and then Emily would tell Charlie and then Vaggie would feel guilt for all the souls she's killed and then maybe more backstory on Hell and Eden and maybe Rosie joins the Hotel as a guidance councilor and maybe the Von Eldritches show up and we could see Hell being prettied up and free healthcare is back maybe we could find out what, if any, prophecies Charlie might be in regarding Earth we could learn more about Alastor's and Lilith's deals and maybe some backstory on the Sinners or Vaggie and the season could end with a cameo from *MICHAEL*