MPC Live 2 vs Maschine + | The Ultimate Comparison
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- To put an end to this discussion (or stir it up more), here's all the differences between the MPC Live 2 and Maschine + that matter to me.
00:00 Intro
01:30 Startup time
02:10 Build and feel
04:00 Layout
05:00 Pads
06:15 Sound management
16:34 Architecture
28:00 Synth editing
34:00 Sample editing
44:57 Touchscreen vs Not
47:05 Stability
49:42 Effects
42:22 Standalonability
53:20 Full songs
54:45 Looper functionality
56:50 Portability
59:44 Final words
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I'm a former maschine user that bought a live 2 retro edition 6 months ago. Maschine workflow is incredibly smooth and well made. I almost regreted my purchase when I got into MPC world. On one hand, Akai could definitly learn and apply alot of ideas from other groove boxes out there (we'll see in patch 3.0). On the other hand, Maschine plus lacks of many features that would made me stay on NI side. They could have implemetend a SS drive slot, battery, touch screen as everyone said when it came out. IMO, as a synth lover, the biggest thing that made me choose to MPC live over maschine is the I/O and the CV as well as the standalone features that it has compared to Maschine plus. The perfect groovebox is somewhere between these 2. They should make a baby.
Completely agree with you man! We should matchmake a date for them
Nah, Akai MPC is fine as it is! Classic workflow! Maschine's standalone is standing ALONE.... looking fraudulant. NO ONE is buying those units/ Why??/ because they're just NOT the MPC. Anyone who loves the Maschine over the MPC is usually younger and probably was a baby when the MPC came out originally. The maschine is dope... but it is NO WAY better!!! The only things it has better is the functionality of scrolling through sounds. After that.... it ain't even close! If they don't come up with something better than that Frankenstein fake standalone.... Maschine will be done in the next 5years!
@@beeisbad facts 💯
I agree with you i love maschines workflow over akai but I never had a mpc si I rolled with the key61
I've watched a ton of comparisons of these machine to help me make my choice between them - this was by far the most helpful. Thanks for your good work!
Thanks for watching!
Very informative and well presented. I got a Maschine to use the looper on guitar while making basic backing tracks. I haven’t even used the looper yet. Browsing in the Maschine has been so easy and inspiring, I’ve been discovering music I wouldn’t have otherwise.
I've been looking for this analysis for weeks. Thank you, this is amazing work.
Glad it was helpful!
Came here 2 see,if my Maschine MK3 (not +) was a good decision. Learned more about its functionality and how to use it in 1h of your comparision than in the 5 days i own it, playin around and watching youtube tutorials. Thank you :-D Now im sure,that it fits my workflow better than a MPC would do it. P.S. i love the pads in comparison to the "concrete" Akai Pads ( i own a MPK Mini)
Great in depth review of both machines, will help a lot of people to decide which to go for
Love your videos but somehow never saw this one in my notifications. Fantastic vid, brother.
I have had a maschine for years. i switched mpc when live 2 was released. The 2.10 update took it to a whole new level. i am very happy with the mpc.
Well you had an old Maschine. Try a MK3 and you'll never touch the moc stuff ..tips from an actual producer. Not DJ bedroom head nodder
I have both and let’s just say my Maschine + ain’t collecting dust ❤️
Thanks, Just what I was looking for, great comparison. And very cute presentation 😍☺️
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I was deciding between MPC One/Live II or Maschine Mk3/+. I didn't need a standalone, but having options is never a bad thing. Each Brand has pro's and con's. Got a cheap used Maschine mk3 to try out. Stil learning, but so far I am enjoying it. No bad choice these days as long as it fits your needs and your making music.
MPC Live 2 is a mf beast! The best hip hop machine ever!
If NI add battery, normal browser, hard disk possibility and touch screen i will buy it. It's not worth price.
@Dyler Turden without limits
yea, but that's a lotta sh*t they'd have to add bro! By the time they did that... Akai will be onto the MPC Live III lol
Browser is comming, ssd via usb is already possible, but I use a low profile 1tb usb /thumb drive, sticks out 3mm, better than a cable and box that hangs on to it. But it is better integrated on the mpc. (Have the plus and the one, i love em both, and combining them you cann do crazy ish, like sequencing snapshots and scenes from maschine with the mpc, it´s a great time to be a producer :) )
@@Iredidv what do you think about synth in mpc and maschine?
@@nieprawdopodobniebystry2158 i love each and every one of them on both devices. Just a pitty that the cpu usage is so high in maschine for some synths.
Best comparison ever. Thank you.
I also have one of each(MPC ONE&Maschine+) mainly because I love them both, One thing I did notice is that using the exact same samples sometimes they sound different in each machine and software I actually love that and the swing in each of the machines are different I love that too, I use all my NI expansions in my Mpc I just made folders and dropped the samples in my Mpc Sd card 99% work without covering them, also I found on the Maschine+ by dropping the battery 4 library samples in the user folder on the sd card it will read them and they will be tagged just like the expansions
Maschine has a really good sound/vibe when using only it's internal plugins. It's crunchy, vibey, punchy. All the DAWs have a sound of their own when using only their stock plugins but Maschine just has that extra musicality about it. I like this as it reminds me of the days when one would purchase a particular mixing console for the sound.
Which has better sounding swing? Mpc or maschine?
@@dannykirsch They’re both unique with their swing the MPC is more aggressive but on the 1/16th gives the classic boom bap sound the Maschine let’s you dial in a fine tuned swing I use my Mpc more because it gives any sample you put in a warmer sound but I prefer the swing in the maschine
Maybe stupid question but Can I use i mean upload carpet and pass files sounds from MPC library to Maschine from the SD card or USB? Also the sounds and plug ins from Logic? And Ableton? Or third party like sugar bytes?
“Ejaculate the drive” 😂
Great comparison, really helpful.
Given that Abléton Live Standard and a used MK3 run about the same, what would you recommend to start out with?
The one area you missed is connecting to outboard gear and external synths. That’s the single biggest use for my MPC. And your point about the Maschine + being an in studio device and MPC is spot on. My maschine+ never leaves the studio. All in all a great breakdown!
Thank you Christopher! That's a very good point and more or less what they intended for originally (the midi production centers) :D
Autosampler is huge too…I have sampled over 20 hardware synths in depth in my Live 2 which us like taking my studio out with me. Without autosampler thats a lot of work.
First again. Mad fire.
Your breakdown of the 2 machines is on point. I wouldn't so much say that I've made any switch to either as such; I use both (and have kept both). Which one is better will always depend on the user. The focus should be on the music. I do wonder though, how much it cost to manufacture each unit.
Tip top comparison dude!
Afterall, both need to get a room together for the night.
Cheers 🍻
What sd card are you using in the maschine? I have a samsung card with the recommended specs, if i put it in ,format on maschine, everything goes slowww. When i put the micro sd card in the ni adapter, everything is fine??! We should take a default project song, and compare the cpu. There is solething with the sd card types imo...It cant be that some guys can run 16 vsts , and i hit 70 percent with 8 groups with 1 sample...(almost no fx)
Yeah true, the selection on the piano roll on a touch screen is very fluid. Not to mention drawing and modifying notes, just like drawing a phrase, copying it pasting it.
Luv this guy. I got both
I’ve used the MPC Live 1 with no firmware updates at probably 100 shows so far and have never experienced a crash or a problem. Would you say that the Maschine + with the latest firmware update is more stable than the MPC Live 1? Because if so, I would say that that’s perfectly fine for live shows. I’ve been using it for live finger drumming, just playing one drum kit at a time, no sequencing or heavy cpu stuff.
Thank you for a great video.
Very few of us have both of these units. I still struggle with which to use. This vid helps me decide. And...well...you are also hilarious. That helps when digesting the nerd info. I still refer to a "knob" as a "k'nob" to friends who don't "k'now" you. But its makes me laugh.
😂 haha I appreciate that breuh
Also MPC 2.10 update brings in a bunch of new synths with great sound design capability. Really closed some of the gap.
Great video. Beatmaker 3 on the iPad is so similar to Maschine.
Thanks bro!
I have a maschine plus but hopefully next iteration of the next hardware is more of a DAW in box/ with SSD storage and more step sequencer functionality. The maschine workflow is just amazing. I had an MPC ONE and it was just way to clunky to get up and running. Sent it back with the quickness.
Ive had the plus for about 4 months and I just bought the live 2
Heyo, I appreciate your deep coverage of these devices. Can anyone help with these questions?
Regarding the Maschine+, Is there a GUI yet?
Also on the Maschine, are the plugins the full versions or just tweakable presets?
Apparantly, if own full Kontakt license on mac/pc, then can use full version on Maschine+, is this true?
And is disk streaming possible, like it is on the MPC?
Chears.
No, full but some are hard to edit, yes (compatibility is hit or miss), disk streaming is not possible on mpc neither
@@BlezzBeats thank you for clarifying all of that. Very efficiently done. I think I confused disk streaming with loading sounds format the ssd. Thought it was the same thing.
@@BlezzBeats Apparantly disc streaming works on Maschine, but only with Kontakt instruments. If I find actual proof will post it here to.
@@mmhcreates Ah yeah that makes sense! I interpreted it as playing back regular samples.
@@BlezzBeats cool, that is good to know.
Programs and Keygroups have been the bedrock of AKAI, Korg and Roland for decades. They made it that way so anyone who knows synths can use it with ease. You can put the Sequencer in linear mode just like DAW
Blezz, what is the Blezz Beats Academy? Is it a paid tutorial you have for Maschine? Can you send me a link for it? Thank you for all your videos. Blessings and Merry Christmas!
Yes it's an online course for beginners, check it out under "course" on my website! Merry christmas!
was there a part on the sound of both... I always hear mpc kicks hitting harder than maschine kicks... different overall tone somehow... do you know anything about this :)
It’s a bunch of bs, there’s nothing special about the ad/da in any of them. All depends on choice of sounds and processing in the boxes.
@@BlezzBeatsbased
thanks for comparison , i think it seems here that Live II has littlebit cleaner or better signal output quality , while at some other comparisons Maschine+ signal output seems better than Mpc One .
The Mpc Live actually has short cuts to the other menus by way of the rubber buttons under the screen they double as short cuts if you double click them. So you don’t have to hold a button & a pad down simultaneously unless your into that type of thing.
Yeah not all of them tho, like program edit which is one of the menues you go into alot. Or maybe I missed it and its just not labeled?
@@BlezzBeats I'm sure you've found the programme edit shortcut by now ?
one thing to mention in maschine+ you have to have to use the maschine SW in order to manage midi cc and prog changes coming in/out from external gear. This management cannot be done locally on maschine+
Does Akai have the password not recognised bug that I love on the plus lol
I’m very attached to my plus now , I’d drop the money I paid on a drum synth, and the plus kicks most drum machines in hardware out of the water. It so well thought out , but spoilt by user verification bugs , I.e. Monark doesn’t always get saved, NI fixed for me , but the bugs returned.
Monark uses so much cpu. Some patches go into 60%. I hope they can still optimise the cpu, for 1400 euro they put in an atom processor that´s good for office work but not making music. The mpc arm processor kicks the plus ass in terms of cpu
Is there any difference in sound between MPC and Maschine? (ie, whatever sound the different softwares and hardware/interfaces may or may not impart to your samples?)
Nope, just a regular ol' contemporary soundcard sound. People claim they do, they're insane or trying to be smartasses lol. You gotta go below 16 bit and 44kHz for that.
If I buy a used Plus, would I have to re-register it to my own new account to access NI content ?
Yeah, or if you have an old account you can put it on there. Just gotta do a license transfer
★★★★★ Great side-by-side review, dude. I was considering getting an MPC Live II for live jamming but after seeing the workflow I’ll just move my Maschine+ around when I need it, I think - like you, it’s pretty stationary in my studio otherwise.
Now that I “get” the Maschine+ workflow (it took a while!), an MPC seems too Windows 95 in comparison to me. The Maschine+ paradigm makes so much more sense to my mind now that I understand it.
Anyway... Great comparison. Thank you. ❤️
Thank you for your perspective! Nothing wrong with thinking differently, but I think we share the same views
@@BlezzBeats what made you get the MPC Live, out of interest...? 🤔
Partly the portable attraction, mostly the duties of youtubing tbh
@@BlezzBeats Will we be finding you on a park bench cranking out beats through the speakers then?! 😄
No most likely the bed, sofa and toilet 😂
I have a MPC live 1 and a Maschine MK3 (not plus), and I never can finish anything with the Maschine because of some dumb missing library. I spend more time updating and fixing it than making music. The Akai is ready to play whenever I want to.
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Great content Blezz! I've had MPC for a few years and most recently the Retro Edition. I can't lie.. I bought a Maschine Plus 2 weeks ago, and I absolutely LOVE it! Both have their Pros and Cons, but I'm all in with Maschine 🙏🏾✊🏾
OMG!!! Not the Sample chop master! Lol Your picking machine over mpc? I can’t lie tho, I had a hard time at first on which on I should buy, and I’ve been studying the maschine lately!! I really think I’m going to break down and get one! It’s super dope
@@ashleytvisualstv LOL!!! I never thought I'd be picking Maschine over my MPC, but it's really been bringing out another level of creativity in me! I'm waiting for you to join me Ashley, and I can't wait to see you chopping it up with that smooth bop you got lol🙏🏾✊🏾❤
@@lindasson LOL I feel you!! You can tell I’m researching it, if I’m finding your comments under other videos! 😂😂😂 looking like a stalker. But yessir I can’t wait to join the maschine gang!💪🏾❤️
@@ashleytvisualstv LMBOOOOOO!!!! Naw, it's all good. Trust me I have watched countless videos over and over and over again, since January and JUST made my decision 2 weeks ago lol! Trust me, I'm following you too lol🙏🏾✊🏾💚
@@ashleytvisualstv I already know you gonna love this jawn tho. It came with about 6 free Expansion Packs, gave me a E-Voucher for a buy one get one free Expansion Pack, and I bought 2 more Saturday lol. You gonna kill it 🙏🏾✊🏾💚
Great review !!! Aluminiiiiiium indeed there is a i in it hehe. We are laughing in europe as well when we hear tomadoessss and studio monidorssss as well instead of tomatoes and monittttors lol
First time seeing this channel but after all the intentional mispronunciation of words I subbed after he said "k'nobs" 😅
Did you catch "ejackulate" for eject? `Laughs.
The Live has a very similar tagging system. You can also create your own sample banks and make cascading tags like the Maschine and keep them in your 1TB SSD. The screen is bigger on Live and it's a touch screen which eliminates the need for all the dedicated buttons because they're on the screen. The Live has a battery. The Live is far better in almost every way. Also you can adjust pad sensitivity on Live and if you need to you can add corx which make them extremely sensitive. You can also buy clear fat pads which have a softer touch, just like the Maschine. Yeah some of the things I mentioned are sold separately but they are available and they just add to the already awesome machine.
How easy/hard was it to add the corx and fat pads to your MPC?
my number one reason for selling MPC one and going to maschine plus: it can actually time stretch lol
Is there anyway to use them both together? Im considering getting an mpc but i dont wanna get rid of my mk2
@@jamarmiller3608 I had a Maschine mk3 and MPC one at the same time, and there's not really a benefit to having both at the same time, except that the MPC is a bit more useful to use on the go, if you travel and want to make music at the same time. Basically I found it boiled down primarily to which workflow works best for you, I sample a lot and timestretch everything I work on, so the MPC range became quite limiting without plugging it into a laptop to do the time stretching on the desktop, which was annoying, the reason I got the MPC one was to use it on the go
@@paulsohi9015 The mpc has time stretching, called warp mode, in settings you can adjust the quality of the algorithm.
@@kryzoxy1 true, but unless there's been some firmware update that improved it, I found it would totally destroy the sample fidelity even when making an adjustment as small as 15BPM up or down. I believe it works better when tethered to a PC, but I bought the MPC one, and eventually maschine + to be away from my computer
I'm not a big fan of making entire songs on an MPC as if it were a DAW.
I sold my MPC live 2 due to some bad details, the speaker grille can be deformed and give a bad appearance to the machine, mine had a knock and was ugly for a while, it was expensive for me to change the speaker protective grille and I didn't like that, because I had to be afraid of hitting her or putting my hands in that area.
The touch screen is a problem, it is not as good as the one on my iPad Pro, seriously, I know that Apple has no rival in that, but MPC live 2 is hell if you dirty it with a few fingerprints, its screen is similar to My Samsung Tab is very sensitive to fingerprints and must always be cleaned for a better experience.
A friend of mine had the misfortune that his screen died a year after purchasing it and I had had my MPC live for 5 months. When I saw that big problem, I realized my bad purchase, if the screen dies, the device dies. sampler and you get a very nice paperweight.
Maschine+ is my favorite machine, and I have my Machine Studio which is as good as Maschine+, I have never had to repair anything from Maschine Studio, which gives me a lot of confidence knowing that I am buying a machine of identical quality, with the difference that It is a standalone sampler.
Maschine, it's genius, to use without a sequencer, I've been using my Akai s950 for more than 30 years, this thing doesn't have a sequencer, nor arpeggiators or chord memory tricks or chain effects.
One piece of advice I give to everyone is that these machines are not perfect to use as DAWs with plugins and things like that, plus you already do this on a MacBookPro with Cubase or Logic, so that part would be stupid to cover, although I do. Maschine+ and MPC live 2 can be great for multitrack recorders and creating sketches or small ideas.
I, Maschine+, use it as an independent instrument to double tracks in Logic, each sample can also be a great chromatic instrument, but using reaktor, massive, monark, FM8, Absynth, they are the beasts that you don't have in an MPC live 2, the software and Maschine+ samples are inherited from kontakt and things from kontakt you can use without the sequencer. So, in this aspect it has a sampleplayer within an independent sampler, and you don't have this in Akai.
Maschine+ for me as a synthesizer to play live is much more stable than MPC live2. The 24-bit sound is great and when I use 16-bit samples the truth is that the DAC makes its sound good. Maschine+ has a complete A6 audio interface, I like that.
Another great thing is that I use a Xenyx X1204 USB mixer to achieve 4 microphone inputs and 12 jack and At home, in my case with the Behringer Xenyx Maschine+, that really makes it a good, very stable live machine thanks to its 4 GB of ram.
This is why I sold my MPC live 2 and kept Maschine +.
Thanks for the well-prepared video, greetings.
Maschine has great plugins from NI. The mpc has autosampler so you can sample synths and vsts
Something important to be noticed is the auto sampler on MPC live which is a good advantage. I’am a Komplete 12 owner, and what is blocking me is the impossibility to install my Komplete 12 sound bank on the MPC
Yessir, hope we get something similar in the future 🥳
When we danced back in the 80s we used to have everywhere these color lit dance floors made of thick white plexiglass squares. The Maschine pads look like that.
So, does the “+” add anything at all, if you are only ever going to use it tethered to your desktop computer anyway … ?! Ie, does the fact it has some internal processing power(?) mean that it runs faster and/or more stable, or add to its functionality at all/significantly (versus just using a Mk3 tethered like that)?
If you want to be tethered then no it makes no difference
I have Both they both with get you from A to B.☝🏾👌🏾🥁
You also can just put the sequences on the pads. Also everything can be automated.
My Man, you're the Boss! Thank You! 🔥
MaschineStudio user since it dropped... but always wanted an MPC and seeing StemSep nowadays? Im def buying an MPC LiveII and hopefully find an old Access Virus synth lol
Idk man, I have both. Drums on maschine+ sounds weak...sounds in general. The maschine sounds all sound processed, but the same sounds used on MPC knock so much harder. I battled myself back and forth for months before deciding to go with mpc for it's raw sound, and connectability. MPC plays very well with others, very quickly. Maschine+ will always have a better and more comprehensive/intuitive workflow though. MAschine mk3 is better than MAschine plus though, most people are not gonna wanna be stuck at the desk, hooked to a wall to use standalone. Live does that better too.
I think most people say Maschine plus because of the sounds it comes with but if you're someone who has all their plugins that won't matter. Nothing can compare to that MPC sound. We gotta remember who was first. The legends didn't use Maschine, they still don't. Kanye, Zaytoven, Brian Michael Cox, Jermaine Dupri, Mannie Fresh, J Dilla, Dr.Dre, Timbaland, 9th Wonder, Q-Tip, Pete Rock, Tim Kelly from Tim&Bob, DJ Toomp, Shawty Redd, Battlecat, DJ Premier, Swizz Beatz, Lil Jon, Cassius Jay, Metro Boomin (his mom bought him one as a gift when he was a teen, he barely used it. Now he's using it! DJ Plugg, Araab Muzik, Scott Storch, even Big Boi from OutKast used MPC to make some grooves. I could go on and on homie about HISTORY! None of them niggas personally use Maschine. It's something about that MPC sound. Gritty, original, and the feel.
Ofc, nobody discredits the history, I loved every mpc i had. A modern MPC doesn't have a characteristic sound. That ended after the 3000.
@@Sol_Keez Yeah I'm just saying, the AD/DA converters on any piece of 16+ bit modern gear don't do anything audible to the sound alone, that's all hype.
@@Sol_Keez All history proves is who uses it or not. That's preference, my bet is most people use MPCs for the familiarity of the workflow. And a great rep sheet (history) + marketing of course.
@@BlezzBeats What I'm saying is it's a reason all of the names I mentioned are still using MPC.
I’ve got komplete and a MASCHINE STUDIO, but IAM just looking for a way to store and organise all my instruments, create loops to export to a computer DAW. The MPC is a good choice in my opinion, because of the possibility to add an SSD hard drive. + The MPC can be used as a sound module, an expander.
Thank you for presenting the sound of your voice! Please present us the sound of the mpc in the near future!
Live 2 is definitely my weapon of choice when on the toilet 🚽
i’m really trying to get away from the phone mpc is cool but i like the underdog.
Great distinctions, u no wha em saying ok bi by
MPC!!!
52:20 fun fact, there used to be standalone devices that were actually as good if not better than computers over 15 years ago. There was a brand called ''Open Labs'' and they had these machines called NEKO and MIKO. You might find some videos on youtube. They stopped producing these, I don't know why. You could even clone instruments from hardware workstations or synthesizers.
Yeah it was literally a PC wrapped in a keyboard lol, a pretty good one though but suuperexpensive. I remember drewling over them thinking I'll never get them. But then again compared to the "consumer market samplers" like the Fairlight it wasn't too bad I guess.
Love Maschine but Mpc live 2
I can’t decide. I should just get both.
Same bruh 😆
Mk3 user by force not choice... Non refundable lol. But I'm slowly learning to love machine with the help of other daws.
Hell I have both, best of both worlds.
Lets get it my brother!
@@BlezzBeats just remember I watch your videos and couple others to get better at this craft.
I take that to heart man keep the craftmanship up and remember what a craft is about - do it for you and what you love
@@BlezzBeats thanks brother
@Dyler Turden listen to the video he put effort into
Here I am, halfway from a MPC One,watching videos about the Live 2 and get depressed about it :D
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I have the MPCX and MK3. I often miss my inspiration window on the MPCX because there is so much track maintenance! Keeping up with track programs are ridiculous. Especially when you name them both. Asigning this...asigning that...we are knocking on year 2022 and its unnecessary. However with the Maschine MK3 I can get my inspiration out but it doesn't bounce! The swing just isn't there. The MPCX drum bounce is amazing. Also Maschine MK3 sampler is stupid..I have to use Serato sample with it. B-Bye!
The king of groove boxes is back to stay.... whether we like it or not. AKAI is KILLING the game!!! ... And NI knows it. Now... what is NI gonna do about it? Hmmmm.... do I hear crickets? Lmao!!!!!
NI IS king since 2010. Akai is obsolescence 2000. Won't change. Their market is DJs nodding to a drum loop in a park. nI is pro.
@@levondarratt787 Are you kidding me? LOL! NI maschine is for producers that need training wheels with their midi chord soundpacks! And NI is MADE for DJ's... NOT the other way around. Maschine doesn't even have a fraction of the hit records the MPC has.... and NEVER will!! The NI standalone is an absolute joke... do you know anybody who actually bought one?... ( cricket... cricket)... yea, me neither Lol!
@@beeisbad look I get it in the 90s mpc was big. Now all the pro guys are using machine and the big vast ecosystem that's behind it. ninety-five percent does machine... It's just got more sounds and easier workflow...
I have both and must say the browser in the Native Instruments is superior but the MPC outweighs machine in every other category especially ease of sampling
Really? I think sampling is the strongest point by far, the immediacy of sampling and editing across pads is much more hands on.
@BlezzBeats that's what slice mode on the Mpc is for...plus it chops long samples directly to the pads...laying each chop in succession on the pads. But don't get me wrong...the Maschine has great sampling capabilities. I just prefer MPC because of the many different ways you can easily chop and build programs. I use both together simultaneously with midi
@BlezzBeats I found a way to midi drum kits...using maschine 2 as a vst inside of mpc software..on one plugin track in mpc I can trigger 16 drum sounds per plugin track. I previously could only use a single maschine plugin or drum sound per track but recently discovered how to use whole NI drumkits per track thru midi channels .
Yeah manual chops ftw you can do that on both of them. That realtime chopping i feel was one of the simple but great inventions of the 21st century. Honestly with the combos we have now we can do anything, it’s hard to even think about what the next level will be 😁 To that, happy new fuckin year my bro
Not to mention right hand drumming vs lefty
Good point! More about sample layout though, you can always shift your arms slightly to the right or left 😊
But it does make a small difference, as right handed I prefer using the transport controls with my left hand
From mpc 62 to 2000xl to 2500 to mv8000.
I was way more active on the XL..
I mentioned being right handed because it matters just as much as a guitar player when it comes to the down beat.
Which made me buckle down and choose the maschine plus when I comes to workflow. No other Pro drum machines accommodate right handed finger drummers like these 2
You can’t even import or export MP3’s on Maschine? But you can on the MPC
mp3s though?
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BIAS: the video
I take it you're biased toward the MPC? Most commenters saying similar things are already MPC users. Which is a bit ironic to me. Of course it's biased. I count on people to make their own decisions. These are the points that matter to me + more. If those points are relevant to you - good. If not watch another video.
Yeah there easier ways to do on the MPC then the way you're doing it.
Please enlighten me then, don't say a without b 😁
@@BlezzBeats Hey Blezz love your videos, you make me laugh on my worst days. Wanted to chime in: you can do the same exact workflow you were doing on the Maschine for cutting up the sample by assigning sample to pad 1 (e.g. If it is a chopped sample be sure to select Pad Parameters and NOT Non-destructive slice) , then click and hold the COPY button, hit PAD 1 (while still holding copy) and then hit pad 2 and release button. Hope it helps! :D
Dude I don't own any but I watched all of that . Ok I have the X and I don't like putting notes on the screen. I tend to press the screen a few times. I wish , they would out step input using the pads instead of touch screen inputting.
"I can so got damn it I will"
I don't think either device is very suited for true live performance, as neither one is truly designed around continuous playback, mixed with live finger drumming, playing longer samples etc. They are still both more of a studio piece. At least, in my opinion. I do know the MPC will allow you to load up quite a lot of your music at once and go from there, without destroying memory usage, but using it _truly_ live is a whole different ballgame. Are people really going to hook up a lot of other synths and modules in a live setup to make use of the sequencer in a live gig? Have to doubt it. Can it be done? Sure thing. But it's not very nice unless you literally have a never-ending techno beat going. And you can kind of forget about on-the-fly pattern editing. On the MPC you will have to prepare basically an entire show beforehand, zero true 'live' play. (I mean, sure, you can trigger sounds from pads, but you could do that with literally any pad based sampler / groovebox / recorder, even something like a SP-303. I probably wouldn't build a live show around that though.). It would be interesting to see how people managed to use either device on stage, in actual live shows. Maybe I'm too skeptical.
You can connect a synth and a usb midi keyboard and start playing live on a mpc no ? I can do that with my mpc1000 by daisy chaining 2 mono synths and a midi keyboard and perform like normal while the sequence triggers internally sampled drum patterns. I can even record that performance on the fly (although you have to escape the track mute page , go to main page and press record for that to happen. Not very intuitive but you at least you have the option).
2:10 a live set waiting for it reset after the power glitched
Which one sounds better and has better audio specs?
Akai force vs M+ pls pls pls
Akai Force wins hands down.
@@nytcrawlr but how do you know that?
Force win easily
*Maschine's Fatal Flaw:* no tempo/meter change 🤷🏽♂️
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Maschine+ wins for logical and workflow and pad quality. MPC live wins for features. Maschine user samples file management is restrictive
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To me those 2 grooveboxes would have been cool in the 90s or beginning of 2000s. Daws were not advanced back in the days when i started producing, today you better off with a good daw a pad controller and a good sampler, far better workflow, mpc live and maschine are a bit gimmicky when you have plenty of work to do, cool gadgets though to sketch pad.
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what setup of "daw + pad controller + sampler" would you recommend/do you use?
Had Maschine since 2010, haven’t touched it since the first MPC Live came out. For me my issue with Maschine was never that it was tethered to a computer, just way prefer the MPC workflow. It takes more of an investment but I think I far prefer being in Akais ecosystem. I still use S samplers and have added a live II retro, studio 2, and an Akai Force (which is hard to beat as a studio brain). I did miss NIs expansions but Ive converted them over using kit maker. Might still pick up a plus but not sure how much Id use it as it diesnt beat the firce as a studio brain and isnt as portable as the Live 2.
As someone who started making beats on Maschine the MPC is just the better device workflow wise and has a better sequencer as well.
Other then that Maschine is still a dope sampler to use and its software is a bit better then the MPC Software.
I don't think that's true it's obviously subjective to your workflow
anyone else here have the naughty luxury of owning both Maschine Plus and MPC LIve 2
And come here just to justify there purchases lol!?
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You hat a lot of good points but one of them you Misses is when you audition the sounds on mpc 1 and live it does not sound the same when you assign them to a pad
- if you would have done this video a year ago I would have gotten machine for the sensitivity on the pads
@Dyler Turden go into pref and change the sound to pro ten.
One more thing, you can flatten a pad with effects and layered sounds into one pad
Yeah thats a really convenient one!
Yeah thats a really convenient one!
NI wins hands down. Bigger pads, bigger device and way way more sounds, synths and DAW capability. Bit MPCL2 is more fun, for the occasional beat making. But as far as actual studio integration, that ship sailed a long time ago for Akai. There is no catching up to teh insane NI ecosystem that exists.
Im going to try for a hostile takeover of Native Instruments then Im going to employ you to head up the Maschine division. First new product will be an updated Maschine Jam with 16 faders and because it will be modular more stuff can be connected to it. OH and there will be a super X version with real Penny and Giles 120mm gold plated faders
Maschine is for the right handed and MPC for left handed people.
damn im left handed and just ordered a Maschine
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I just use my foot
I see you 've compared the live 2 and maschine plus.. you've also compared the MPC One to the maschine mk3.. i want to hear your thoughts on the MPC One vs machine plus..
.. the speaker and rechargeable battery were NEVER selling points for me.. the MPC One is a better matchup for the maschine +..
.. the mpc one has the same workflow and all of the horsepower of the live.. fewer i/o.. yet, it has more dedicated buttons.. and it's tiny!..
.. as many times as you called it a 'tie' for functionality and performance between these two machines, you could say the same for the MPC One.. the difference is the price!..
.. we are all in agreement about pc vs any standalone.. just.. no competition at all.. my $200 laptop, $100 pad controller, and a $50 audio device just destroys anything you could do with a little black box..
.. so, I have to agree with you again. It's all about workflow.. and, while there are SOME objective truths about workflow, it's more often just a matter of taste when you're talking about 2 very similar use cases.. i.e. sample editing/chopping, etc.. you were duplicating samples like a pro on that live, yo!.. lol.. proof that it's not the tool, it's how you use it..
.. idk.. my opinion.. I'm just some guy.. I'd recommend the MPC One one to ANY 'producer' who is thinking about moving away from the daw.. that guy is gonna miss his daw.. lol.. we gotta be realistic though, it's NOT gonna outclass your current daw.. but, familiar features are all in there.. somewhere..
On the other hand, I think the maschine would appeal to people coming from the 'groove box' arena.. like, hands down that maschine is almost like a whole studio in a box!..
.. that's the thing, though.. almost.. it's not thing to be a studio in a box.. at ANY price..
The MPC lineup has always taken this approach.. even BEFORE we outclassed our sequencers and samplers and synths and 8 track recorders with a simple HP running Windows 98.. the MPC was the way to go..
.. the mpc still knows it's not a beat machine, it's a hub.. but, the new lineup does so much right out of the box, it's a bit confusing..
.. I'm glad you stayed focused on workflow.. those are the only real differences..
They are BOTH samplers/sequencers/arrangers.. smh..
.. again, in the BEFORE times.. this is how we did it.. lol..
The precursors to the very first commercially viable PC/daw set up..
.. sample, clip, chop, arrange them on a 'grid'.. we weren't staring at the grid, though. Just, vibing to it..
.. my friends who use pro tools exclusively for acoustic tracking just don't realize how much they enjoy fucking with a sate of art sample machine!.. lol..
There you go, I think you summed your pov up well. The build quality is dramatically different too that's about it.
Im quite meh about these comparisons.
It bores the hell out of me, but honestly again it's all about which workflow you prefer yourself.
And if you expect a DAW or even a hub in a box (which 90% of people seem to want to force them to be) you will be disappointed with both. Maschine is the quickest idea-to-sound machine for me.
It's not a big ishümaloo 🎉
MPC L2 all day my Machine p collecting dust with computers.
Till Maschine get a touch screen and speaker theres no comparison. You have to stop at those major points before starting.
Most people that use the machine still on the computer titty with it.
I disagree, sure you can compare all you want without even going into those topics. You gotta speak for yourself and what's important to you, it's not Robot Wars. They're both useless without the user. To me, Maschine is still way faster and smoother when it comes to sampling and sequencing, even without the touchscreen. It never needed it cause the controller is already laid out in such a way, if you have the muscle memory worked in you don't even think about it for a sec. But speaker and battery would have been nice for sure if the discussion is about standalone. The reason I went from MPC 2kxl to Maschine in the first place when it came out was to make it a smoother process cause it ends up on the computer sooner or later anyways.
This video looks like both a case of justified denial as to why you're still using the soon to be outdated Maschine Plus, and at the same time a selling point for the (briefly explored) feature packed MPC... Seems that by trying to convince yourself to keep using the Plus, not only wastes your own time, but the potential consumer's too.. Both are great? Please......... Can we really compare the genius of what the MPC does..? Good video
That's still my opinion. I prefer the Maschine way of doing things. I do love the MPC Live 2 also though, but if the Maschine had speakers n battery I wouldn't use it. It's your use case also.
@@BlezzBeats Maybe someone spent too much (on a Maschine)..? 🤕
@@supasoul Haha yeah, maybe someone did.
@@supasoul Seriously though it's mindboggling to me how difficult it seems to be for a huge part of the population to realize people have different opinions. You do you buddy
@@BlezzBeats ..sure will, but despite our feelings and opinions, fact remains that at this point in time... hate it or love it, "Mpc" is undeniably one of the factors pushing "Maschine" to higher standards.. What a privilege
Envelopes on Maschine are junk, you can't adjust the slope. MPC wins in that regard.