Jesus. You my friend don’t need a red. The way you light, your composition, editing and storytelling are top notch. You could shoot a feature on a toaster oven and it’d be better than most mainstream and TH-cam films out here. My god you’re talented.
Thanks for your opinion on using a RED. I'm kind of a fan as well without ever having worked with one, just because I adore the image quality and the dynamic range so much. The biggest drawbacks seem to be the crop factor when changing resolution, the laggy menus and of course the price point of every single accessory piece. On the other hand, oh my god that sensor! I've worked with Arri Alexa Mini and Amira quite a lot and a guy at a local rental house told me, "When you regularly work with Arri, you won't feel comfortable with RED." I wonder if that's true or if I could see past the flaws... Maybe I should volunteer for some projects with a RED just to get a feel for the workflow. Anyway, I loved your review and enjoyed every second of it, so have a thumbs up and a very nice day!
... wir zocken jetzt mal ein bisschen! Having never shot on Arri I can’t speak with certainty but I’d say they beat RED out. Hands down with image, color science and dynamic range. That being said RED is basically a lego set with unlimited buildouts whereas Arri puts you in a box with how much shit needs to be on it. We will be leaving RED to go Arri at some point but the flexibility RED has is unparalleled.
so funny, I was thinking the camera you shoot yourself with is such a great camera, I thought it was the Raven... Then you said it was a Blackmagic... ahahaa I love BM so much!
Haha I love them too! Honestly making this video has made me realize how important good lenses are. For all b roll shots of the RED I did use my Blackmagic but I used the rented Sigma Cine lens on it which is sooooo much sharper than my cheaper Rokinon 35mm.
I own a Raven and with the Nov. 18 update they hyped the menu system. I think your percentage's were a little off when comparing the red to other consumer camera's. If I would make a guess I would say most consumer camera's compared to the Raven come in at about 75%. That's still good, but within that 25% is a HUGE DIFFERENCE. Also that percentage drops DRAMATICLY when you start comparing Arri, Red 8K VV Monstro, etc... to about 62%.Which is why I bit the bullet and got one. I got so SICK AND TIRED of having one camera that does one thing good, but is missing this feature. But this other camera does this BLA BLA BLA... The Raven In my opinion is the best in the red family for versatility, you can configure it for a studio camera all tricked out, or strip it down for a sleek "run and gun". Unfortunately I believe I don't do my raven the justice it deserves at the moment, but I'm working on it. But as we all know it's not the camera, it's the person behind the camera that matter's the most. I've seen some AWESOME short's done on a DAMN iPhone, and DSLR camera's.I HIGHLY recommend the Red DSMC2 line of camera's, and in my humble opinion... ITS WORTH THE HYPE.Great video by the way.
Patrick Fougére what about a Canon C200 ? I wonder how does it compare to overall functionality for smaller productions. I own the C200 , considering RED. I’m not a fan boy of any brand . I do like how fast I can work with the C200 .
The red isn't really designed as a run and gun camera (but It can be configured for it). Some pre thought needs to be addressed before you can use it. The C200 is a great camera, and is GREAT for documentary film making because a lot of the auto focus functions/tracking allows you to concentrate on filming rather than friggin with the focus/camera settings. The Dragon sensor LOVE'S LIGHT... and with the 16 stops of dynamic range / HDR function......GAWD WHAT A IMAGE!!! One thing you'll love (in my opinion) is how configurable the Red eco system is. Down side....THAT SHIT'S EXPENSIVE!!!! Media alone is 1K$ for the low GIG memory card. It really boils down to, "what is your main focus as a cinematographer?" studio or outside/documentary work... In my opinion that would determine if you want to get it... here is some filming on my red just 2 days ago.. I'm still learning after a year how to use the Raven to it's fullest but this what I got... th-cam.com/video/ilTVmDbXKC4/w-d-xo.html
It is not Hype. Years I was thinking about loan to buy Scarlet-W, untill they showed Blackmagic Pocket 4k. Of course BM camera is not that great, but use new Sony sensor technology, dragon is like 6 years old piece of tech. When you talking about 90% where are GH5s and Sony cameras, Pocket 4k is for me on 95% because of RAW, dual iso, LUTs in camera and in next update new BRAW format. Of course it is not that good as RED but maybe it have better low light performance and lower noise. I think it is now similar to RED Mysterium-X sensor from 2010, same dynamic range and similar results at iso 2000. And this is nice for $1000 camera to be nearly similar to $50 000 camera from 2010. I hope I will get in future my own RED but now is Pocket 4k great alternative for poeple who still learning like me.
Check out Spenser Sakurai's BMPCC4K vs Epic Dragon tests. Dynamic range and colour is definitely better as you would hope for the price difference, but under controlled conditions it is hard to tell.
Thanks for watching! And yes as I’ve said before a iPhone in Rodger Deakins hands is more useful than a RED in mine. It’s all about knowing you can work whatever camera you have to the best of its and your ability
I don’t agree with that thoughts that there is only 10% difference between say Sony A7II and Arri Alexa or Panavision or Arriflex or Arricam or Imax. It depends what are you using those cameras for and how much you know about the lighting and color grading and cinematography. If you use a Arri Alexa for youtube blog and upload to youtube of course you won’t see the difference. Because you are not using the camera properly. It’s nothing personal, but it is what it is .
@@initialfocus Done with pleasure. I really enjoyed your video. Although a video rookie those Red keep hurting me each time I see one. So I got 2 options in mind. Buy a nice used one or wait for the 5K 2D Module for the Red Hydrogen One that will be available later in 2019
As someone who is a very bottom of the barrel freelancer, how do you find clients with budgets to able to afford renting cameras like that? What was it like shooting in a commercial setting? I do music vids and photoshoots now, looking to dive into other pools of opportunity
xHDR used correctly will not have any artifacts. It is just to different videos with different exposure. However it takes quite a bit of skill to post process xHDR. I recommend doing it in Davinci Resolve. The few times I have used it I have masked between the two exposures by hand but you can use luminance too.
Hey so I got the red raven kit with the 120gb mag...I shoot music videos and unfortunately for the time being I have to use the mag (expense issue) how can I maximize the mag coz the red raw will be impossible to shoot long takes with the 120gb..I still want super quality
Most places you rent through especially on expensive items like REDs you need to give a certificate of insurance. So I didn’t pay extra while renting since I already pay for business insurance which covers a certain price of rental equipment
Heavy is relative, but these are compact modular cinema cameras, handheld is a feature. Background music was annoying, but good quick review otherwise.
I really like the look of Kinefinety. But the post processing workflow I could never find too much info about and worried how their RAW files would work in FCPX or Davinci
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Jesus. You my friend don’t need a red. The way you light, your composition, editing and storytelling are top notch. You could shoot a feature on a toaster oven and it’d be better than most mainstream and TH-cam films out here. My god you’re talented.
We love our RED. They are definitely kings of cameras alongside Arri and Panavision.
We’ve been using the RED Monstro 8k, Alexa Mini and Alexa LF and the image is amazing! makes everything look like a movie
*drooling*
Lol sleeping with the red camera isn’t exaggerated at all. I honestly would do the same if I got one of my own 🤣🤣
Thanks for your opinion on using a RED. I'm kind of a fan as well without ever having worked with one, just because I adore the image quality and the dynamic range so much. The biggest drawbacks seem to be the crop factor when changing resolution, the laggy menus and of course the price point of every single accessory piece. On the other hand, oh my god that sensor!
I've worked with Arri Alexa Mini and Amira quite a lot and a guy at a local rental house told me, "When you regularly work with Arri, you won't feel comfortable with RED." I wonder if that's true or if I could see past the flaws... Maybe I should volunteer for some projects with a RED just to get a feel for the workflow.
Anyway, I loved your review and enjoyed every second of it, so have a thumbs up and a very nice day!
... wir zocken jetzt mal ein bisschen! Having never shot on Arri I can’t speak with certainty but I’d say they beat RED out. Hands down with image, color science and dynamic range. That being said RED is basically a lego set with unlimited buildouts whereas Arri puts you in a box with how much shit needs to be on it. We will be leaving RED to go Arri at some point but the flexibility RED has is unparalleled.
Great video showing some amazing piece of Tech. Nice sequence of Atlanta skyline in the middle too. Well done on your commercial shoot with this gear.
Thanks for this helpful and informative perspective.
so funny, I was thinking the camera you shoot yourself with is such a great camera, I thought it was the Raven... Then you said it was a Blackmagic... ahahaa I love BM so much!
Haha I love them too! Honestly making this video has made me realize how important good lenses are. For all b roll shots of the RED I did use my Blackmagic but I used the rented Sigma Cine lens on it which is sooooo much sharper than my cheaper Rokinon 35mm.
@@initialfocus good advice! For big projects, better renting lenses than buying cheap ones so
my drogon x gets here wednesday , i own it
I own a Raven and with the Nov. 18 update they hyped the menu system. I think your percentage's were a little off when comparing the red to other consumer camera's. If I would make a guess I would say most consumer camera's compared to the Raven come in at about 75%. That's still good, but within that 25% is a HUGE DIFFERENCE. Also that percentage drops DRAMATICLY when you start comparing Arri, Red 8K VV Monstro, etc... to about 62%.Which is why I bit the bullet and got one. I got so SICK AND TIRED of having one camera that does one thing good, but is missing this feature. But this other camera does this BLA BLA BLA... The Raven In my opinion is the best in the red family for versatility, you can configure it for a studio camera all tricked out, or strip it down for a sleek "run and gun". Unfortunately I believe I don't do my raven the justice it deserves at the moment, but I'm working on it. But as we all know it's not the camera, it's the person behind the camera that matter's the most. I've seen some AWESOME short's done on a DAMN iPhone, and DSLR camera's.I HIGHLY recommend the Red DSMC2 line of camera's, and in my humble opinion... ITS WORTH THE HYPE.Great video by the way.
Patrick Fougére what about a Canon C200 ?
I wonder how does it compare to overall functionality for smaller productions. I own the C200 , considering RED.
I’m not a fan boy of any brand .
I do like how fast I can work with the C200 .
The red isn't really designed as a run and gun camera (but It can be configured for it). Some pre thought needs to be addressed before you can use it. The C200 is a great camera, and is GREAT for documentary film making because a lot of the auto focus functions/tracking allows you to concentrate on filming rather than friggin with the focus/camera settings. The Dragon sensor LOVE'S LIGHT... and with the 16 stops of dynamic range / HDR function......GAWD WHAT A IMAGE!!! One thing you'll love (in my opinion) is how configurable the Red eco system is. Down side....THAT SHIT'S EXPENSIVE!!!! Media alone is 1K$ for the low GIG memory card. It really boils down to, "what is your main focus as a cinematographer?" studio or outside/documentary work... In my opinion that would determine if you want to get it... here is some filming on my red just 2 days ago.. I'm still learning after a year how to use the Raven to it's fullest but this what I got... th-cam.com/video/ilTVmDbXKC4/w-d-xo.html
It is not Hype. Years I was thinking about loan to buy Scarlet-W, untill they showed Blackmagic Pocket 4k. Of course BM camera is not that great, but use new Sony sensor technology, dragon is like 6 years old piece of tech. When you talking about 90% where are GH5s and Sony cameras, Pocket 4k is for me on 95% because of RAW, dual iso, LUTs in camera and in next update new BRAW format. Of course it is not that good as RED but maybe it have better low light performance and lower noise. I think it is now similar to RED Mysterium-X sensor from 2010, same dynamic range and similar results at iso 2000. And this is nice for $1000 camera to be nearly similar to $50 000 camera from 2010. I hope I will get in future my own RED but now is Pocket 4k great alternative for poeple who still learning like me.
This comment is exactly how I feel. Pocket 4K will be my next camera with the hopes of RED down the road.
I think the same. The only things I think superior in Red is dynamic range and color science (better color separation)
Check out Spenser Sakurai's BMPCC4K vs Epic Dragon tests. Dynamic range and colour is definitely better as you would hope for the price difference, but under controlled conditions it is hard to tell.
Cool
Very honest review. Good stuff! And oh... the best camera is always the one you’re comfortable with lol
Thanks for watching! And yes as I’ve said before a iPhone in Rodger Deakins hands is more useful than a RED in mine. It’s all about knowing you can work whatever camera you have to the best of its and your ability
Yo this is very helpful. I’m considering getting one for the first time and I appreciate the feedback.
Have used RED a lot more since creating this video. If you have any questions feel free to reach out!
@@initialfocus RED EPIC X DRAGON 6K , worth it in 2021/22?
With the RED, it is like that when zoom in function to the corresponding pixel number crop. This is just a digital zoom with the BlackMagic recorded
wow that simple blend feature for HDR 6:30
Subbed! What camera did you shoot this video with? Excellent edit and I'm actually going to go ahead and buy a Raven now myself :)
Thanks for the sub! Anything that I didnt mention being RED footage was shot on the Blackmagic Production 4K.
I don’t agree with that thoughts that there is only 10% difference between say Sony A7II and Arri Alexa or Panavision or Arriflex or Arricam or Imax. It depends what are you using those cameras for and how much you know about the lighting and color grading and cinematography. If you use a Arri Alexa for youtube blog and upload to youtube of course you won’t see the difference. Because you are not using the camera properly.
It’s nothing personal, but it is what it is .
Awesome review. Enjoyed watching it 👌
Awesome Comment. I enjoyed reading it :)
@@initialfocus Done with pleasure. I really enjoyed your video. Although a video rookie those Red keep hurting me each time I see one. So I got 2 options in mind. Buy a nice used one or wait for the 5K 2D Module for the Red Hydrogen One that will be available later in 2019
Great video dude. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
HEY MAN. Quick question. What's your background setup on those B-roll shots of the red camera?
As someone who is a very bottom of the barrel freelancer, how do you find clients with budgets to able to afford renting cameras like that? What was it like shooting in a commercial setting? I do music vids and photoshoots now, looking to dive into other pools of opportunity
Years of hard work but a more tangible answer is if you are not on UpWork I suggest check it out. I meet most of my clients there.
can you convert hdrx in davinci
Great review. Hit me up if you’re ever in the DC area. I own the Raven.
There are clear motion artifacts on the xHDR footage. I don’t know if that’s the xHDR or something from the edit.
xHDR used correctly will not have any artifacts. It is just to different videos with different exposure. However it takes quite a bit of skill to post process xHDR. I recommend doing it in Davinci Resolve. The few times I have used it I have masked between the two exposures by hand but you can use luminance too.
Hey so I got the red raven kit with the 120gb mag...I shoot music videos and unfortunately for the time being I have to use the mag (expense issue) how can I maximize the mag coz the red raw will be impossible to shoot long takes with the 120gb..I still want super quality
Shooting at lower compressions in RAW like 15:1 will still give great quality especially if the final product is going on TH-cam or something.
SSD converter
Dude switch to Apple pro res !
I have a few projects coming by and was thinking of renting a raven. Did you have to pay extra money to have insurance on it?
Most places you rent through especially on expensive items like REDs you need to give a certificate of insurance. So I didn’t pay extra while renting since I already pay for business insurance which covers a certain price of rental equipment
I love the track u used what's it cslled
Great video! I’ll subscribe
Hey thanks! Welcome to the cool kids club.....the rest of the world just doesn’t know it yet.
I read that the sensor of this camera is smaller than an s35, so what is the crop factor? How it work in low light
Crop is 1.85 check out lens rental on YT
Heavy is relative, but these are compact modular cinema cameras, handheld is a feature. Background music was annoying, but good quick review otherwise.
Cool video! Subbed 🙃
You da real MVP
What is the background music? it is so chill. Also amazing videos. I really enjoyed it!
Why does the TH-cam algorithm hate you?
I have no idea lol
Every video I watch people say they hate the screen for such an expensive camera
If you want to buy a cine camera, probably kinefinety is now a much better bang for your bucks
I really like the look of Kinefinety. But the post processing workflow I could never find too much info about and worried how their RAW files would work in FCPX or Davinci
From what I've read the Kinefinety RAW files work with Davinci Resolve. and other platforms.
whats the name of the background track ?
Shite monitor screen, deal breaker.