Great video man the GSXR has always been known for its mid-range advantage, and the Kawasaki for the most part always has top end horsepower advantage from the factory it has been this way since the early 1980s
Ninja could make more with a 'longer' system....that M4 along with that CAT box just kills HP.....however as is sounds 20X better than the GSXR..big bore .Ninjas always have this very distinctive deep roar..especially the ZX10 ! The Ninja will make more everywhere w/ a better exhaust system ..heck that M4 slip could be a Chinese knock-off...they are everywhere.
Showing how specific bolt on parts influence power curves is very helpful in deciding which parts to buy. I also love the race videos with footage in the pits showing all the extra tools, parts, and knowledge it takes to win, but those are more entertainment only.
@Chris I can't imagine how much it cost to literally make a single pass on that bike. I'm positive the sky is the limit when it comes to budget running these world class bikes!
I’d take the Suzuki just because I’m a Suzuki loyalist, both my first and current second motorcycle are/were Suzuki. A 2021 DR-Z400SM and a 2020 Katana. The DR-Z400SM is great fun to rip around on, and the Katana is simply a monster of a street bike. Bigtime power from 3,500 up to the 10,000 peak power spot.
@@JesusIsLord7773 A dig race is simply starting at 0mph. A roll-on race is anything while already moving. The most popular races from a roll on is say from 40mph, or 60mph. Both cars line up at set speed and hit it on go. Roll racing is more so to get rid of the variables to see what both cars are capable of without driver error.
really well explained. I try to tell people in forums when you replace the exhaust the bike needs to be remapped because it will be running lean for the cat and euro5, but some don't get it. photos of dyno runs, fuel and air is just easier.
Now I see why I can't keep from mouse-trapping my 2021 GSXR1000R when I reach WOT in low gear. Second gear is not quite as violent, it only rises fast when on cam around 9k rpm. Have to short shift or let off a little there, too. Only 500 miles on mine. Oh, and the Brock's CT Meg and Moore Mafia flash. Thanks for the video, Chris!
I'm thinking that gsxr with that beautiful Brocks CT Mega. is going to give the ZX10 a run for its money! The zx10's have always had pretty good stock headers that makes a slip on upgrade hard to pass up on over a full system! Love both bikes IMO and both have awesome potential to go Stupid Fast!
The ECU for my 2021 GSXR1000R is en route to your shop as of typing this. Just received my Brock’s Alien Head 2 exhaust. Can’t wait to have it all installed 😀
By far both of the best 1,000 CC sport bikes in the world in my opinion the Kawasaki or the Suzuki pick your flavor based on your riding style and preference.
In 2012 had a full titanium Akrapovic on my ZX-14R the price for the pipe was 3,200$ Canadian, sure it’s the best for performance, the lightest of course, the sounds the looks, everything but also the price because it’s not to many peoples with the will to throw that much just for an exhaust !!!
I'll never understand how someone hearing a v4 or v twin and says it sounds amazing can do that in comparing to inline 4s They just sound so much more like a racing machine and just aggressive (instead of a tractor like Vs)
Have you really heard a Ducati LTwin engine or a Aprilia or Ducati V4 with a good exhaust in person? It sounds absolutely monstrous. Inline fours sound good to me only when it's near the rev limiter whereas a V4 or Twin sounds amazing right from starting up.
I've seen bikes on the dyno get blown up by not pulling in the clutch quick enough at redline. The dyno is still spinning up faster even though bike is at redline, which over revs the motor and grenades it. Same thing happens with cars if clutch or next year isn't selected quick enough. Gotta be on point or that new bike will have destroyed top end.
The information I was able to dig up on stock euro tuned vs stock American tune is based on the fuel. From what found it appears euro gas is different so the bikes are tuned differently from the factory. The bikes aren't any better just tuned differently.
We can thank California and C.A.R.B. for that. All motorcycle's come through the shipping port's in California. Plus the hp wars of the early 2000's bringing about the gentleman's agreement.
12:08 Usually other countries have tiers/classes for a motorcycle license - for example 16 years old - 50cc 18 years old - 125cc 20 years old - 250cc 22 years old - 600cc 24 years old - 1000cc & up
which one is more fun? I sold my kawaski Z900 and I want to buy my liter bike. Do I go with the GSXR1000R or the ZX10R? The Z900 was really nice bike honestly. I enjoyed it. It was my first bike. I love how crazy it pulls in low range. lol
I believe your showing dyno inertia between the bikes . That would imo indicate rotational weights of the crank / rods if there wasn’t tire slip on the pulls. Given the presented info , I’ll take the Kawa and a couple of sprocket teeth. Great video👍 The dimpled throats should help keep the fuel in suspension and aid in chamber swirl. How did your guy determine height on the stacks?
Seems like their are a ton more gsxr bikes on the road especially here in Cincinnati. I have a zx6r I want to get a liter bike instead and really like the zx10r
The Suzuki just love the Suzuki's but i won't throw away the zx10 they are bad ass it's always a battle here in South Africa Suzuki vs Kawasaki and noth of the bike's amazing your channel have help me learn so much more from motorcycle's and where i want go with my old 2009 suzuki gsx 650 F maybe one day i will have enough money for a gsx 1000 R 🤣
forget the trans, change the sprocket teeth...these superbikes are so ridiculously over geared for emissions, safety ..go -1 up front, another +3, +4T rear ....you'll feel some serious NEW acceleration. So many owners disregard this simple, inexpensive way to improve acceleration performance. Gives you a 'seat of pants' feel of more HP, performance. Most of these superbikes, ZX14, go nearly 100mph in 1st....gear it down...unless you can ride around above 140+ mph all day. '..cheap performance' gain you won't believe !!!!
@@carlmayer691 Changing sprockets will result in what you're describing. This issue will turn into actual usability after a drastic sprocket change... For instance, a 2014 R1 factory ratio is 17/47. Imagine just how unusable the bike would be for everyday use with 16/49 ratio, 12 o'clock would be your fear every ride. The intentions of the bike would determine if actual Transmission changes or sprocket changes will give the desired results. You can't get a ZX10R to compete with a Gixxer on the Dragstrip without a 1st gear reduction. Simple sprocket changes are not going to get you anywhere near it. Same with Roll Racing, a Gen. 4 ZX10R transmission has been proven to provide better results for the keeping the bike in the powerband over the Gen. 5 transmission in a Gen. 5
I changed my 2016 R1 sprockets several times. The last setup was down 1 on the front and plus 4 on the rear. I would always loose to my buddies 2020 R1 well I put it back closer to stock basically just down one on the rear and now I pull on him. He does weight more than me but you would've thought for sure it would've pulled him with it geared nuts and although it felt quicker it just wasn't. It was blowing through the rpm range way too fast. Real world example there.
@@SkeenDogger You did Rear -1 & stock Front? You guys are racing till the top speed? that's just suicidal on public road. Rear -1 will increase the top speed & reduce acceleration. Not sure what you are doing. Most people gear their bikes for more acceleration not top speed as it doesn't matter on public roads.
I would like to setup a time to bring my 18 gsxr 1000R in for the full suite of goodness. Exhaust, flash and servo device for the exhaust replacement. I'm in Ohio. Hopefully we can make it happen. Take care MM
Do you do the break in before you start riding the bike like you would after the suggested break in? Or do you just rip it apart, flash it , change the exhaust and race it ? I’m not talking about a track/drag bike .
The Suzuki looks to make more average power after it was all said and done. But the Kawasaki isnt nearly as crippled in the useable range out of the box. Shame the bikes are crippled the way they are for safety and emissions nonsense.
The Kawasaki with half as much money still makes more power than the gsxr. The ninja with a slip on exhaust making more top end power. Zx-10 hard bike to beat.
I have always been a GSXR fan there is ather stuff that can be done. I had a 93 GSXR that was crazy fast we took the slowest GSXR ever made and ran midd 7's with it in the quarter mile And I road it as a daily driver. It's best was 7.42 at 179 mph it would have been much better than that if it had a way I could have ran full throttle in 1st 2end and 3rd gear I could not use full throttle till 4th gear so it would have been much faster with a set of bars and swing arm. It had a 1549cc kit and a lot more work. So putting a pip on one is cool but less see one with a kit that makes it crazy fast.
Kawasaki will always be hp king. Suzuki models are nice beautiful machines. Might end up with the new hayabusa when they get more colors out. Or just snatch up what they got and get it painted the way I’d like it. Anybody know someone that’s bad ass with air brushing? Thanks in advance
Great video man the GSXR has always been known for its mid-range advantage, and the Kawasaki for the most part always has top end horsepower advantage from the factory it has been this way since the early 1980s
Ninja could make more with a 'longer' system....that M4 along with that CAT box just kills HP.....however as is sounds 20X better than the GSXR..big bore .Ninjas always have this very distinctive deep roar..especially the ZX10 ! The Ninja will make more everywhere w/ a better exhaust system ..heck that M4 slip could be a Chinese knock-off...they are everywhere.
@@carlmayer691 exactly
@@carlmayer691 more grunt in gsxr. Have ninja would take gsxr anyday
@@carlmayer691 ninja is much fat, gsx r is light and nimble
Showing how specific bolt on parts influence power curves is very helpful in deciding which parts to buy. I also love the race videos with footage in the pits showing all the extra tools, parts, and knowledge it takes to win, but those are more entertainment only.
@Chris I like the racing vid too🔥
@M1000 RR is there even 1 subscriber that can afford Melania, let alone engine replacements and staff tuning?! 🤷🏻♂️
@Chris I can't imagine how much it cost to literally make a single pass on that bike. I'm positive the sky is the limit when it comes to budget running these world class bikes!
@@MRR-qv3bw m
Magic Mike got that fuel curve on point 💪💯🔥
Can't go wrong with either one of them. Love the videos you do.
Glad you like them!
Definitely cant both are a beastly machines
I’d take the Suzuki just because I’m a Suzuki loyalist, both my first and current second motorcycle are/were Suzuki. A 2021 DR-Z400SM and a 2020 Katana. The DR-Z400SM is great fun to rip around on, and the Katana is simply a monster of a street bike. Bigtime power from 3,500 up to the 10,000 peak power spot.
Suzuki loyalist here bro ❤️
i had M4 on my 05 R1, unreal exhaust sound. would highly recommend M4 .
i think its good you point out details plus you add what you know can be done with aftermarket support. cant wait for more 2022 busa testing.
The zx has amazing stock header's. I'm thinking Ninja for hp and gsxr for tq.
Not just the headers....the engine is more powerful just like the gsxr has the best mid range cuz the VVT
Brocks did something like this and suzuki made better power earlier on so it was quicker than the 10 but the 10 made better top end..
@@craig_sez8534 gsxr is definitely quicker..but once the kawi hits its power band its over..
@@2wheelsonly614 What situations can you use the Kawasaki's power?
@@droceretik idk why is it a championship winning bike for a few years now
GSXR for digs. ZX for roll ons. Thanks Chris!
Would love to see the ZX14R in comparison on the dyno aswell. 😃
sorry im new. what is digs and roll ons? thanks
@@JesusIsLord7773 A dig race is simply starting at 0mph.
A roll-on race is anything while already moving. The most popular races from a roll on is say from 40mph, or 60mph. Both cars line up at set speed and hit it on go.
Roll racing is more so to get rid of the variables to see what both cars are capable of without driver error.
@@j.w.presents9552 gsxr still takes zx10s on rolls.
@@angelcelis9090 nahh zx10r always been the best.
@@michealortiz3350 not according to Dave Moore.
Thank you Chris and Mike bike feels so much stronger ! 💪 definitely gonna come back for a stage 2
You gonna have to change that MONEYMITCH , or lets race ????
@@MONEYMITCHSHOWTV lol wyaa?
Rite rite sir , wassup
really well explained. I try to tell people in forums when you replace the exhaust the bike needs to be remapped because it will be running lean for the cat and euro5, but some don't get it. photos of dyno runs, fuel and air is just easier.
💪
Chris great comparison between the two Manufacturers. Liter bikes make crazy horsepower even stock. Need to do a R1 next to a BMW 1000rr.
I have a 2018 Kawasaki ZX10R and sent my ECU in for a flash tune by Moore Mafia! I’m rooting for the ZX10R to win this Hp battle.
This was one of the best Dyno videos in a long time, awesome work Mooremafia family
Great video!!! I enjoy seeing the computer analysis just as much as the pulls.
Now I see why I can't keep from mouse-trapping my 2021 GSXR1000R when I reach WOT in low gear. Second gear is not quite as violent, it only rises fast when on cam around 9k rpm. Have to short shift or let off a little there, too. Only 500 miles on mine. Oh, and the Brock's CT Meg and Moore Mafia flash. Thanks for the video, Chris!
I'm thinking that gsxr with that beautiful Brocks CT Mega. is going to give the ZX10 a run for its money! The zx10's have always had pretty good stock headers that makes a slip on upgrade hard to pass up on over a full system! Love both bikes IMO and both have awesome potential to go Stupid Fast!
The ECU for my 2021 GSXR1000R is en route to your shop as of typing this. Just received my Brock’s Alien Head 2 exhaust. Can’t wait to have it all installed 😀
I agree with the comment on the restriction put on motorcycles, cars today keep getting faster and more HP, but they’re still restricting sport bike
By far both of the best 1,000 CC sport bikes in the world in my opinion the Kawasaki or the Suzuki pick your flavor based on your riding style and preference.
You should get magic mike to stand on the other side of the bike just Incase a chain flys off just to be on the safe side the zx10 sounds better 🤙🏻
That 'busa update was a pleasant surprise!
Im a brocks type of guy,but the kawasaki sounds pretty good 👍
How many inches lowered does this gixxer have on front and back?
nicely done, say if you had to pick one bike which one would it be and why? I'm considering a GSXR
In 2012 had a full titanium Akrapovic on my ZX-14R the price for the pipe was 3,200$ Canadian, sure it’s the best for performance, the lightest of course, the sounds the looks, everything but also the price because it’s not to many peoples with the will to throw that much just for an exhaust !!!
No matter how much horsepower you have the best Mod is always the RiderMod. Rider > bike all day.
Love all the fine tuning info. Thanks
A full system for the ZX would have been better for an accurate comparison
I'll never understand how someone hearing a v4 or v twin and says it sounds amazing can do that in comparing to inline 4s They just sound so much more like a racing machine and just aggressive (instead of a tractor like Vs)
Have you really heard a Ducati LTwin engine or a Aprilia or Ducati V4 with a good exhaust in person? It sounds absolutely monstrous. Inline fours sound good to me only when it's near the rev limiter whereas a V4 or Twin sounds amazing right from starting up.
Go tell Lamborghini or Ferrari
Come on, Chris. If you wanna speak inside the dyno room, might as well put a subtitle for us man. Just kidding brother. God bless you!
I've seen bikes on the dyno get blown up by not pulling in the clutch quick enough at redline. The dyno is still spinning up faster even though bike is at redline, which over revs the motor and grenades it. Same thing happens with cars if clutch or next year isn't selected quick enough. Gotta be on point or that new bike will have destroyed top end.
Oh wow I had never thought about such a thing but it makes so much sense.
Much better sound wiyh M4😬👌👌 hope they will make an full one for the new busa
I love seeing all the facts and information being explained!!! Keep it up 👍🏾 thank you!!!
Awesome 👌
I don't even skip the ads I like this channel so much I watch the whole thing twice, ads n all 🤓❤️
Same bore & stroke just the difference of bigger cams vs big cams.
Always a compromise,, add a few up top & they magically disappear from the mid
So the ninja have a bigger cam than the gsxr?.
Gsxr has vvt
The information I was able to dig up on stock euro tuned vs stock American tune is based on the fuel. From what found it appears euro gas is different so the bikes are tuned differently from the factory. The bikes aren't any better just tuned differently.
We can thank California and C.A.R.B. for that. All motorcycle's come through the shipping port's in California. Plus the hp wars of the early 2000's bringing about the gentleman's agreement.
My 2021 Gixxer 100th Anniversary did 193hp. Thanks Chris and Magic Mike.
Well
That just makes me want to upgrade 😂
@@silversoozookee2839 might as well.
12:08 Usually other countries have tiers/classes for a motorcycle license - for example
16 years old - 50cc
18 years old - 125cc
20 years old - 250cc
22 years old - 600cc
24 years old - 1000cc & up
I love the 100th anniversary paint
Does chasing the header make much difference?? The stock gixxer header looks bad ass anyway
Always GSXR Brock's performance
which one is more fun? I sold my kawaski Z900 and I want to buy my liter bike. Do I go with the GSXR1000R or the ZX10R? The Z900 was really nice bike honestly. I enjoyed it. It was my first bike. I love how crazy it pulls in low range. lol
Never knew getting to Mexico to ride from Greenville SC was so easy!
Big big fan Moore mafia FTW
I loved the shootout this was awesome 👏 both amazing bikes for sure. Great content as always. - Amy
Go green. What i learned: if both bikes had full exhaust the zx10r for sure
Let’s get an Aprilia on there Chris and Mike ! 💪🏼😅
These videos are absolutely the best!!! So informative!
Zuki.. All day, everyday!
I believe your showing dyno inertia between the bikes . That would imo indicate rotational weights of the crank / rods if there wasn’t tire slip on the pulls. Given the presented info , I’ll take the Kawa and a couple of sprocket teeth. Great video👍 The dimpled throats should help keep the fuel in suspension and aid in chamber swirl. How did your guy determine height on the stacks?
Seems like their are a ton more gsxr bikes on the road especially here in Cincinnati. I have a zx6r I want to get a liter bike instead and really like the zx10r
Yes I like the specs and layout maps
What's the difference in getting them flashed and a power commander
They come just as restricted here i Norway, i believe it's the same for the rest of Europe 😪😪
The Suzuki just love the Suzuki's but i won't throw away the zx10 they are bad ass it's always a battle here in South Africa Suzuki vs Kawasaki and noth of the bike's amazing your channel have help me learn so much more from motorcycle's and where i want go with my old 2009 suzuki gsx 650 F maybe one day i will have enough money for a gsx 1000 R 🤣
That's America sized up in a ECU flash 😁👍 good luck you need it ..
Love this channel
Also, people have to realize that Transmission Gearing plays a huge role in torque output for the ZX10R in the low & midrange
forget the trans, change the sprocket teeth...these superbikes are so ridiculously over geared for emissions, safety ..go -1 up front, another +3, +4T rear ....you'll feel some serious NEW acceleration. So many owners disregard this simple, inexpensive way to improve acceleration performance. Gives you a 'seat of pants' feel of more HP, performance. Most of these superbikes, ZX14, go nearly 100mph in 1st....gear it down...unless you can ride around above 140+ mph all day. '..cheap performance' gain you won't believe !!!!
@@carlmayer691 Changing sprockets will result in what you're describing. This issue will turn into actual usability after a drastic sprocket change... For instance, a 2014 R1 factory ratio is 17/47. Imagine just how unusable the bike would be for everyday use with 16/49 ratio, 12 o'clock would be your fear every ride.
The intentions of the bike would determine if actual Transmission changes or sprocket changes will give the desired results. You can't get a ZX10R to compete with a Gixxer on the Dragstrip without a 1st gear reduction. Simple sprocket changes are not going to get you anywhere near it. Same with Roll Racing, a Gen. 4 ZX10R transmission has been proven to provide better results for the keeping the bike in the powerband over the Gen. 5 transmission in a Gen. 5
I changed my 2016 R1 sprockets several times. The last setup was down 1 on the front and plus 4 on the rear. I would always loose to my buddies 2020 R1 well I put it back closer to stock basically just down one on the rear and now I pull on him. He does weight more than me but you would've thought for sure it would've pulled him with it geared nuts and although it felt quicker it just wasn't. It was blowing through the rpm range way too fast. Real world example there.
@@carlmayer691 does it matter which bike? What would u suggest for a gsxr 750? .. (if i decided to change sprocket)
@@SkeenDogger You did Rear -1 & stock Front? You guys are racing till the top speed? that's just suicidal on public road.
Rear -1 will increase the top speed & reduce acceleration. Not sure what you are doing. Most people gear their bikes for more acceleration not top speed as it doesn't matter on public roads.
all your shop info is on that banner at you back there
If only everyone paid as good attention as you!
ZX 10
@@TeamMooreMafia you rock ive just seen a ton of your content and you have the best energy on here good work brother!
I'm a Kawasaki Lover,. I Love The ZX10R. !! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Mr. Moore what about my ECU that i sent you, my gsxr 750 2019 any additional horsepower?
Bare minimum having the restrictions removed should increase mid range and top end significantly
Both great machines but chose to pick gsxr1000r its h2 slayer when flashed
The bikes are still restricted over here (uk) the same as yours are. My 959 made good gains from a Woolich racing map.
Do you know anywhere good for mapping/tuning in south west uk mate ?
Gotta change ur intro to worlds quicks and fastest no bar motorcycle!!
Love this dudes videos
You should race Egr’s busa with your zx14r and 2021 busa
Fast bikes and live life!
King Suzuki all the way baby
I would like to setup a time to bring my 18 gsxr 1000R in for the full suite of goodness. Exhaust, flash and servo device for the exhaust replacement. I'm in Ohio. Hopefully we can make it happen. Take care MM
i know people that had a porch's in Germany to bring in home it had to be de-tuned to bring it to the usa
Do you do the break in before you start riding the bike like you would after the suggested break in? Or do you just rip it apart, flash it , change the exhaust and race it ? I’m not talking about a track/drag bike .
GSXR!!!
the sound and appeal of the zx10r .
Great comparison!!
I'm curious if the street bikes have the "same restrictions" in Canada?
All day 👊🏻✊🏻👍🏻
That video made me 10 years younger
Good video. I would love to have a tuned mt-10
Both bikes are bad ass , but but but Zx10 😍😍😍😍
I love the details
Thank's Excellent video guys!!!
So overall if everything was equal the zx10 edges out on the dyno.
So close that it comes down to rider.
i love this channel
Do you up the fuel pressure or do you run stock numbers ?
The Suzuki looks to make more average power after it was all said and done. But the Kawasaki isnt nearly as crippled in the useable range out of the box. Shame the bikes are crippled the way they are for safety and emissions nonsense.
The Kawasaki with half as much money still makes more power than the gsxr. The ninja with a slip on exhaust making more top end power. Zx-10 hard bike to beat.
I have always been a GSXR fan there is ather stuff that can be done. I had a 93 GSXR that was crazy fast we took the slowest GSXR ever made and ran midd 7's with it in the quarter mile And I road it as a daily driver. It's best was 7.42 at 179 mph it would have been much better than that if it had a way I could have ran full throttle in 1st 2end and 3rd gear I could not use full throttle till 4th gear so it would have been much faster with a set of bars and swing arm. It had a 1549cc kit and a lot more work. So putting a pip on one is cool but less see one with a kit that makes it crazy fast.
Selling my ninja 300 and getting a xz10rr because of this video.
Yeah I like the dynos video
Team gixxer
Gsxr would be the more responsive track bike. The zx10 would be the highway weapon.
Moto GP says different.
@@robhughes8516 Kawasaki isn't even in MotoGP
You see a bunch of GSX-Rs and ZX10Rs in superstock, but more ZX10s. I think it's a good base for road racing
Would love to see an R1
Both machines are good and really powerfuls mafia 🔥🔥💪💪🙋♂️🤝
Zx10 all da way
Do they make velocity stacks for 2012 Yamaha R1? Not seeing it on their website.
Kawasaki will always be hp king. Suzuki models are nice beautiful machines. Might end up with the new hayabusa when they get more colors out. Or just snatch up what they got and get it painted the way I’d like it.
Anybody know someone that’s bad ass with air brushing? Thanks in advance
Right now feeling that Suzuki will win this battle
So new gsx-r 1000 faster than new zx10r???
I loveee the look of the 100th anniversary Gsxr's!