No kidding! It was awesome right up until the Titan was renamed Enterprise. So stupid. We didn’t even get to see any action with Enterprise F, and now a much weaker ship is the next flagship? What were they thinking?
I think the Enterprise D would have had a massive refit in the weapon and shield category had she survived to fight in the dominion war . One must remember she was the flag ship .
Personal Headcanon is that there was a limited amount of Galaxy-Class ships that were actually upgraded to the Dreadnought version we see in All Good Things towards the end of the Dominion war (like 3-4 of them) that never saw battle, but exist.
The Galaxy class was a flagship for a time of exploration, not war, though I think it could hold its own within a fleet. But that’s why the sovereign was created to be the new flagship.
TNG Nth Degree shows Galaxy doesn't need a heavy physical upgrade to be more powerful. Geordi increases power to the phasers (likely enough to match 1 photon torpedo) because that's what was estimated needed to destroy the probe. Ultimately 3 torpedoes destroyed the probe but shields were enhanced to 3x. 300% but required to drop out of warp to do it. So galaxy only needs a warp core upgrade like that of the Sovereign and likely it would be just as powerful. That episode tells us alot. Power is the limiting factor in these ships not the technology
@@Ronald-nh7pl We actually see a refitted version of the Galaxy Class during the Dominion War with additional phaser banks. Search for the USS Venture in Memory Alpha. Its only logical to assume she got upgraded shields and additional torpedoes as well. Most likely even quantum torpedoes.
@@Ronald-nh7plNot quite. Galaxy Class is the most versatile, and can be refitted with much heavier weaponry (See All Good Things). The difference is crew requirement. Ship design of Starfleet post DS9 is smaller, more well packed ships for efficiency.
Not sure if/how the game simulates it, but the Sovereign is supposed to have 'regenerative' shields. Essentially, a second shield system that it swaps to while it lets the beaten shields recover integrity.
This is cannon definitely the Auto regenerative shielding was first tested successfully about the U.S.S Prometheus in 2374 the Sovereign was first testing it in 2370 with only partial success Voyager was fitted with a Borg enhanced version in January 2374.
I never understood how a "secondary shield grid" was of much benefit. The problem with shielding is the power requirement, they take a beating because they are being drained of power. If you have a secondary warp core providing power to defensive systems while your primary warp core is driving your phasers, you stand to do much better in a firefight than if you just have two shield grids pulling from the same power system. They figured this out when they figured out how to house two warp cores safely.
@@dominodoggy1 heat dissipation, the shields absorb as well as reflect energy, the absorbed energy gets turned into heat and sent through a heatsink to be radiated away, so if you had a second shield grid with seperate heatsinks you could switch to that and allow the first to cool and rebuild power
if you consider what potential a War Galaxy class really has due to its modular designe, it is just sad that it never got represented that way. The Galaxyclass could house several defiant class warp and energy generators in the saucersection, with upgraded mainframes and neuro packs. With this in mind a galaxyclass would if fitted accordingly rip through most things with ease even the E wouldnt stand a chance. the inner volume of the D is about 1.5 to 1.8 times the volube of the Es and most of it was empty to begin with.
Given the Galaxy used the older Type-X phasers, whereas the Sovereign had the Type-XII, the Sovereign had hull-hugging, regenerative shields, fourteen phaser arrays, four rear photon and 3 fore photon, and the quantum torpedo launcher, plus it was far more maneuverable (The Sovereign can, theoretically, lose zero performance with the loss of one of its two drives, and the RCS Arrays on the Sovereign were the same ones used on the Galaxy, with each of the 35 thruster quads generating 4.5 million newtons of thrust despite the Sovereign being nearly 1.25 million metric tons lighter, about 100 meters shorter in height, and about half the width) and had the ablative armor... It'd be a big lift to uprate the Galaxy class to match it. Realistically, the Sovereign should be able to run circles around the Galaxy class... and in fact should maneuver closer to something like an Akira class. Not bad at all for a multi-mission explorer :D
Worf said it had additional phaser arrays. The D had a single one above and below the saucer, the E had like 5-6 above and below. That's just the saucer section.
A Galaxy class has eleven phaser arrays, the two big ones on the saucer, two on top of the drive section, five on the bottom of the drive section and two more on top of the drive section near the aft torpedo launcher. The drive section also has another array on top that is visible when the saucer is disconnected.
@@JaredLS10 i only mentioned the saucers of both ships. The secondary hull of the Galaxy class has majority of the phasers, showing that it's supposed to have saucer separation
Enterprise D/Galaxy have eighteen phaser banks. Saucer (8) : -1.Four emitters in dorsal main array (4). -2.Four emitters on ventral's main array (4). (Have overlapping arc for every two consecutive emitters) Engineering hull (10) : -3.One array on top Engineering hull (only visible during separation mode) (1). -4.One array beneath & behind her deflector dish. (Just beneath her antimatter storage) (1). -5.One array on each wing, facing outside (2). -6.Two arrays behind battle bridge (2). -7.Four arrays surrounding her aft torpedo launcher (two on dorsal & duplicated for the ventral side) (4). The E's (pre nemesis version) and Sovereign have slightly less array than D's. Most of its emplacement are identical to the Galaxy's ,but point 3 and 7 are missing in E/Sovy's, due to difference in wing and neck design. I don't have E model during Nemesis, so i have no idea where the additional four phasers emplacement are. Edit : that's misconception on your statement there, D's emitter on saucer are not two; but eight emitters, separated in two arrays. While E's saucer have twelve emitters, separated in six arrays. But you'r correct, E's majority of armament were on her saucer, while D were on her engineering hull.
The Galaxy was a glass cannon for its size, for a ship as imposing in dimensions it wasn't very strong. HOWEVER, it was still a powerful vessel in general as it was a technologically advanced platform and we see that it packed enough of a punch that even races which used fully fledged warships dealt with it rather cautiously....it wasn't some easily dismissed ship that could just be steamrolled. I imagine the Dominion War era Galaxies, stripped of their peacetime sandbagging (*cough* civilians and most scientific stuff) and properly armored would've been very formidable.
Another important thing to note Is that in Dominion war only ONE single Galaxy class was lost. And Its not like they were kept back. Weve seen multiple of these magnificent beasts in various battles. So i would say theyr survival rate Is rather good.
I always felt the Galaxy Class could take a beating while to Sovereign has overwhelming offensive capabilities as it was designed more as a War/Science vessel. The Galaxy Class was intentionally more defensive than offensive, but could give the enemy a black eye.
@@SuperGamefreak18 Never heard of that, I was just pointing out that a Galaxy Class was mostly a cruise liner type ship had families onboard. It was a Luxury Hotel Ship.
The sovereigns are lean-mean purpose built battleships. Type XII phasers as opposed to Type X, many torpedo launchers, twice as powerful warp core. Most importantly, and something neglected by Starfleet until the Borg incident, is carrying armor. Add all that plus incorporating the computer breakthroughs and voila! A ship twice as powerful as the Galaxy. But don't sleep on the Galaxy. It can fling more torpedoes than almost any ship. It is big and has a warp core and reactors powerful enough to make their phaser array more powerful than any other ship equipped with Type Xs. And that was before the DW. The DW refits are considerably more powerful than the stock Galaxy. Probably 75% of the Sovereign with the survivability being the only major difference.
I dont think they neglected to include armor, they didn't have armor that was worth anything. The doctrine of the last century seemed to be that shields and weapons were so much more powerful than material structures that investing in shields was the right thing to do. Even in the 23rd century a ship without shields was going to get chewed up by contemporary weapons. Developing an effective armor system only becomes necessary when an enemy is consistently able to bypass your shields. There's zero incentive to develop the stuff, let alone slap it on every ship in the fleet for who knows how long when there's no use for it. The armor used here isn't simply thicker metal, thay wouldn't work because not only the Borg but most other significant powers starfleet faces can penetrate multiple layers of hull with conventional weapons. The Enterprise gets punched clean through by a Klingon torpedo, that's two layers of hull at least on deck, and a whole ass galley, and it didn't even slow down, so we can assume it could have gone through more material, definitely deep enough into the hull to gut a large part of the ship if it detonated. You can't just add several ships worth of hull plating to every ship just in case, even if it would be effective.
Sovereign uses type 10 phasers. I say this because according to the tech manual type 11s are for Starbase only. Only Starbase have the power to double the output of the type 10. In fact Intrepid Galxy and Sovereign are all Type X. The only difference is amount if available power from their cores.
Two things. 1) "Welcome to the Enterprise-G. It's not nearly as advanced as the Enterprise-F, but we're extra perky!" Kinda thought it was weird to retroactively rename a ship, which btw is also a major naval superstition no-no. You never rename a ship because it's bad luck. 2) I am entirely confused about the whole Borg thing these last 2 episodes. I thought Jurati was the Borg Queen. People were al like, "The Borg reveal was amazing!" And I'm over here scratching my head thinking, "Wasn't the whole Borg thing wrapped up at the end of Season 2?" It literally makes no sense.
According to Terry Matalas - Jurati and those Borg are technically a different faction of Borg from another timeline (The Borg Queen having come from the dark Confederation timeline).
I've not seen Picard yet and even I know they are different Borg from different times doing different things, you should pay more attention when you watch things......
The last epoch had great parts and terrible ones. The good: Seeing the D fly and fight again. Actually lighting on the D. The poker scene. No major character dying. Old school Trek ships like the Sovereign and Akira on screen. Finally get to see ships fire phasers and quantums. Q returns. The bad: Made no sense that the D could fly into the Cube. Unless this is some sort of fusion cube, the scale and the gaps in her structure make no sense. I feel like a writer was a fan of Star Wars Return of the Jedi where they took out the Death Star this way and wanted to see the Trek version. Same with the old Star Trek experience in Las Vegas with the D hovering overhead. The Titan was clearly important enough to give it an A. That's kind of insulting to rename her. Obviously done for budget and feels reasons as a new gen G would cost more. Wish the D would have remained in service with Captain Seven. It's a much nicer ship and better built set than the Titan. Made no sense how Spacedock Probert Edition was rebuilt so quickly. Would have rather seen the OG Spacedock towed to Earth and used again, which makes more sense considering what must have been a considerable loss of life and ships in the battle to save Earth. Made no sense the Borg were in that bad of shape after Voyager. The Queen assimilated the pathogen thus she also assimilated how to cure it. Even if the Borg were banged up, this was just weird. Whoopie should have been in the final bar scene. Miles O'Brien should have been involved.
I re-watched Season 2. No mention of it being a "different timeline" vs. the one that continued on to Season 3. And there are no "different factions" of Borg, there is only 1 Queen, not multiple, so what that tells me is that, like is typical for Trek writers, they still absolutely suck at maintaining any kind of logical continuity in their storylines.
According to the registration number which can clearly be seen at the beginning of the video, that Galaxy class is the NCC 71879 That's the USS Dauntless. You can even see the name with the registry number.
To be honest we’ve seen the damage a type 12 phaser does to a starship (the weapons platforms in ds9 and they are also on star bases, they literally nearly one shot ships, in three shots they destroyed a galaxy class, the sovereign having over 10 type 12 phasers it can fire simultaneously, rip any galaxy class
Here's the thing. Galaxy classes aren't slouches. Starfleet frequently upgrades their ships, meaning that the Galaxy would be upgraded probably in the same year (or close to it) with all the latest technology available to the Sovereign class. Given the Galaxy's overall size and mass, it can easily house the same Warp core, upgraded phaser arrays, shields, quantum torpedoes (using existing launchers would have been enough), computer upgrades, power transfer conduit upgrades, ablative hull alrmour upgrade (if Starfleet uses it - they really should give it to pretty much all their ships to reinforce the hull). At any rate, a galaxy with those upgrades would likely not only be a match for the Sovereign class, but it could potentially overpower it (although in fairness, size in Trek universe means little with technical efficiency... still, if the Galaxy had the same tech as the sovereign, yeah, it would likely be able to match it). EDIT: In fact, we have seen the ENT-D being upgraded a couple of times in TNG. At one point it even got a new Warp core (I wonder if SF worked out the problem with the parasites in the conduits).
Starfleet is all about upgrading their ships and seems to design them that way. Compare a TMP era Excelsior to the Lakota for example. They're not even in the same universe in terms of performance. Given that the Galaxy class was a huge project for starfleet it's pretty much guaranteed that future upgrades were factored into its base design. I figure a modernized Galaxy would be a roughly equivalent but different type of ship to a Sovereign. The Sovereign would be more of an agile battlecruiser type design with a lot of firepower and good maneuverability where as the Galaxy would be more of a heavy ship of the line. Slower and with similar firepower, but likely a lot more survivability, when things like upgraded shields, power systems and ablative armor got added. If modernized, its primary phaser strips would also likely be the individually most powerful phaser weapons in starfleet, just based on their sheer size.
Starfleet certainly did upgrade the Galaxy class during its service life - e.g. the Venture refit which featured prominently during the Dominion War on DS9 seemed to be beast, with additional phaser arrays and so on. But I like to think in the case of the restored D, Georgi restored it to its classic TNG spec, because that's the ship HE knew. And a battleship the TNG Enterprise was not. Supporting the "factory spec" hypothesis, the Enterprise shown in S3 of Picard did not sport the expanded Bridge layout seen in Generations, suggesting he was restoring the ship to an earlier spec.
Im surprised the galaxy class after taking one or two hits, didn't try and eject the core or something because it was breached. Alot of the time the Enterprise can have a breach after a few shots from a couple of middle ranking ships, yet it can hold its own to a point against a cube or another powerful vessel. Really enjoyed the video, im subscribed!
You better watch out for the NCC 1701-Z, a Multiverse-class ship with exotic power generation, shields, sensors and weapons and capable of defeating Multiverse-level gods
Is there a dominion war retro fit version? Some of the galaxies got quantum torpedoes better phasers and improved sheilding. In exchange for some of the luxury areas.
Erm, all it proved was that you were the decisive factor in both battles. Not sure what I just saw proves anything other than that, unless a clone of you could play against you in both scenarios.
Have you tried the War Galaxy vs a Soveriegn. I would assume if the USS Enterprise-D had survived to the Dominion War she would have been upgraded with thr advanced weaponry including Quantum Torpedoes.
I love your videos and really enjoyed this one! Personally I think cosmetically speaking the Galaxy is far better looking but if I had to pick between the two to command I would always go Galaxy! It may be technically inferior but there is something about it that just makes me smile.
Considering the fact NCC 1701 E was built after NCC 1701 D first encounter with the Borg starfleet had time to take the weapon systems from the D and upgrade them for E also right after the crash on Veridian 3 Enterprise E was already being designed and built during Best of Both Worlds Picard warned starfleet they're coming they responded we'll be ready. So they were already beginning New projects including the sovereign class. Yes, this is accurate E has newer technology and a new design. D more exploration. E more combat style. They needed a Enterprise that could fight the Borg and win without putting families at risk. After the Borg peaceful exploring was over. Therefore no children on NCC 1701 E.
Galaxy class type ten phaser sovereign type 12 phaser add in the quantum booms heavier shields & ablative armor & it was designed for combat all equals a stronger ship all around. Not to dis the Galaxy but it wasn't designed for war. For what it's mission profile is it's a great ship. But Enterprise E was made to kill Borg. If that was 2 dominion war variant Galaxies it would be a different story. They got armored to a degree shield & weapon upgrades.
@@jasonwestwood7092 That is a match I would like to see done PVP against 2 live opponents I think the computer dumbs it down a bit & doesn't have the creativity of live players
While the most powerful ship of its time, the Galaxy class was built with a bias for exploration. It housed state of the art scientific equipment, and went to great lengths to incorporate quality of life features such as recreation facilities and schools, to accommodate the crew and their onboard families. It came from a time with a completely different philosophy to that of the Sovereign, which paid a lot more attention to defensive and offensive capabilities in light of the Borg threat at the time of its development. The Galaxy could get a refit of course, to balance things out. But if you're comparing the Enterprise D to the Enterprise E, this is probably a pretty decent simulation of their combat capabilities.
The E had type 12 phaser arrays, when the D had type 10s. She also had massively uprated and far more powerful shields than the D, hull armour, double the phaser arrays & torpedo launchers post Insurrection, a more streamlined hull profile & a lot more durability. Oh and quantum torpedoes.
The D fired 570> 528 Photon (42) with two call that 84 Torpedos to destroy the Sovereign , (18.5 isotons = 1554 isotons) The E fired 250> 178 Quantum (72) = 36 Quantum’s per Galaxy class . (50 iso tons = 1800 isotons per Galaxy (3600)
Think back to 1987 and Gene Roddenberry’s vision. Enterprise D wasn’t a warship. It was an exploration vessel with significant armaments and shields. The ships that succeeded her had the benefits of being built for a different purpose and the latest weapons technology. If I were going on a five year mission,I’d want to live on Enterprise D. If the Federation was at war, I’d want to be on Enterprise E! Renaming the USS Titan to Enterprise G does make SOME sense. The crew of the Enterprise D just saved the galaxy. Again. Captain Riker once commanded the USS Titan. And they wanted to honor Gene Roddenberry with the “G”, which goes all the way back to TNG’s debut in 1987 (“D” was almost “G”, but they realized that the timeframe was too short). It all works for me. USS Enterprise G is a fine “hero ship”. However, I actually expected the Titan to be renamed in honor of Captain Shaw. Of course, that would assume he’s actually dead. And we don’t want that. Commodore Shaw, please. Todd Stashwick was GREAT in Picard S3. Not for nothin’ - I’d be VERY AFRAID of ANY starship piloted by post-Daystrom Institute DATA. The Enterprise D went on quite a rampage through that Borg cube in Picard S3 “Last Generation”. Data’s flying enabled Dr. Crusher to dish-out considerable mayhem from the Tactical station. As a Trekkie, it was great to see the TNG crew in total “boss mode”. Disney’s Star Wars franchise has been completely destroyed by studio infighting and lousy writing. It’s time for Star Trek’s triumphant return with ST: Strange New Worlds and Star Trek: Legacy. With Captains Pike and Seven of Nine in command, the Star Trek franchise FINALLY has a bright future again.
Riker voice: Worf, you still remember how to fire phasers? (Snicker) Edit: It was the pilot, but yes, I think the E is twice as powerful... it was built to fight the Borg.
I think that’s a great test. If two really good commanders were in charge of the Ds, I think they could maybe take 1 E like you did. A really good commander in a single E stands a very fair chance of winning but definitely not unscathed.
If your going to pit different starships against each other, use their most powerful incarnations (i.e., the future 'All Good Things' Enterprise D that comes with cloaking, warp 13, and a spinal lance vs. the Enterprise E).
That future Enterprise, still though being a Galaxy class starship had so much power in it's forward phaserbank that it could blow straight through a FUTURE Klingon Negh'var, which were actual Battleships, and probably upgraded to Klingon weaponry of that time. Still the Enterprise shoots straight through the forward section of the ship.
they rebuild the D for the Starfleet Museum, they should offer the same courtesy to the E. canonically speaking, the E was in service far longer than the D was before her destruction, meaning the E had way more adventures under Picard and kept doing awesome and impressive things. It doesn't feel right that the E would remain lost forever instead of preserving her legacy for the Starfleet Museum after all the things the E has accomplished.
The Enterprise E in Nemesis had 16 type XII FB Phaser arrays 170000 TW maximum output of phased plasma energy 3 twin mounted & 5 single mounted type 4 Mk95 torpedo launchers and a Quantum torpedo Turrent 12 tubes each can fire 12 torpedoes at ounce, Regenerative shielding Multiphasic multispectrial shielding Ablative hull armour Phased Plasma torpedoes enhanced class 9 warp core warp 9.99 maximum warp.
I think the Galaxy and Sovereign are closer in terms of strength. One is tougher with more powerful shields, and one has all the weapons. Maybe try one-on-one between the two to compare.
Note: I have not completed a full analysis of Sovereigns weapons....but we do know both galaxy and Sovereign sport Type 10 phasers but Sovereign has more available power to get closer to type 10's max output. Sovereign has weaker phaser arcs. Quantum torpodes aren't really much more powerful than photons. Not to mention Galaxy can fire photons faster than Sovereign becuase tubes are superior to short barrel turrets. Their warp cores are the difference. Galaxy was likely updated to a dual input manifold as suggested in Booby Trap TNG. Leah Brahms says this increases power by 14%. Sovereign like Defiant has multiple streams entering the reactor. Defiant has 5. Sovereign has 7. So given the core is the same volume and length as Galaxies only with 6 additional streams...that comes to 84% more power for shields and weapons. And since Sovereign is a smaller ship its safe to say it's 2x the Firepower of the Galaxy in shields and phaser output.
@@darkmatter1152 galaxy's phasers are on a much larger saucer the makes the array longer. Sovereigns longest array is 362.37 meters. Galaxy's longest array is 806.73 meters. There is no canon data on Sovereigns phaser types but it's hard to imagine why it would need anything more than a type ten if according to N'th degree the phaser can be fired at nearly the same fire as a single torpedo which should be around 2 or 3 times normal phaser output. Think about it. Sovereigns Warp core at best estimate is only putting out 185% the power of a Galaxy class. If you can power a phaser at 3x more why make another phaser type. Same thing for Voyager just taking what we know. Voyager is type 10. It just doesn't have the power to max it out.
@@saquist The Enterprise E in Nemesis had 16 type XII FB Phaser arrays 170000 TW maximum output of phased plasma energy 3 twin mounted & 5 single mounted type 4 Mk95 torpedo launchers and a Quantum torpedo Turrent 12 tubes each can fire 12 torpedoes at ounce, Regenerative shielding Multiphasic multispectrial shielding Ablative hull armour Phased Plasma torpedoes enhanced class 9 warp core warp 9.99 maximum warp.
If actually talking about between the E-D and E-E- then yes the weapons with just the phasers alone on the E-E are far more superior to the E-D. HOWEVER, if a Galaxy class was built at the same time as a Sovereign class then they both should have the same weaponry. I mean same type of phasers and torpedoes.
I believe the DW refit Galaxy Class in-universe had Type XII phaser arrays installed to replace the Type Xs. Or at least the major arrays (dorsal, ventral on the Saucer, ventral under drive section, after strips). I think the launchers were refitted to handle quantums too. So, as the RBG refit demonstrates, the DW refit Galaxy had about 90% of the firepower of the Sovereign, but, even with the upgraded shields, additional reactors and application of some ablative armor, the hull and space-frame simply weren't as robust as the Sovereign and the ship probably only had 60-75% of the survivability. If you know your WWII ship classes, the difference between the Galaxy Refit and Sovereign is like the difference between the North Carolina Class and the Iowa Class. Hell, the stock Galaxy is analogous to the King George V Class, the epitome of the Treaty Battleship with only 14 inch guns and pretty thin armor for a battleship.
A refit Galaxy-class would be able to roughly rival a Sovereign-class. Remember the USS Lakota? Now imagine that kinda refitting for a GALAXY-CLASS....👀
Well, we know straight off that it's ALOT more powerful....for starters, it has 12 type XII phaser arrays, 1 rapid fire quantum tube and 4 type IV Burst fire photon tubes.....then there's the auto modulated shield system on top of that.... making it a beasty piece of equipment....
Heavy armor, ablative mesh double hull, as well as ablative armor. It is not an exaggeration to say the E's hull is 200% stronger than the Galaxy Class.
I feel like the 1701D and the later post Dominion War Galaxy Class ships are two entirely different beasts. Theres zero reason to believe that the DW variant wouldn't have received the same weapon types as the sovvy in their wartime refit configuration, and it was a larger, tankier ship. Of course the D would lose to the E, but a wartime Galaxy was still a capital ship and utterly ferocious. Wartime Galaxies were more of a slow moving battleship of a capital ship, whereas sovvy was a faster, more maneuverable, expeditionary battlecruiser of a capital ship.
That's a good point. The Dominion War Variants looked different in Deep Space Nine and even had Phaser Strips on the Nacelles. I imagine fitting Quantum Torpedoes wouldn't have been difficult giving the size of the ship either. Could it have become the new Excelsior? The Lakota could face much more modern ships and win.
Well, the sovereign class is at least one or 2 generations ahead as far as technology goes. As much as i simp for the Galaxy class, it has no business beating the sovy.
Given that even the Intrepid supposedly has the same number and type of arrays, that already puts the Galaxy at a disadvantage before we consider that this mod takes away her ability to fire multiple arrays at once. I'm not saying the Sovereign shouldn't also be able to do it, but the old girl feels a bit handicapped.
Sovereigns have no armor at all. Too many windows for effective armor coverage. It does a have regenerative shields and that's proven by Star Trek Nemesis where it regenerates full shields after collapsing 2x. Only ships with armore was Defiant (not all Defiants) and Promethus class.
Personally, I think the E could take 2 pre dominion war Galaxy class ships, but I think it would struggle to take on 2 post dominion variants. I don't think the E would survive in most encounters.
The Sovereign class would definitely defeat two pre-dominion war Galaxy class ships, and would defeat two Dominion war upgraded Galaxy class ships - but only by using quantum torpedoes. There's no way a Galaxy class shields would hold long against those heavy duty quantum torpedoes. Just four of them destroyed a borg sphere in First Contact. (Though it was unshielded)
Not true. Not only are Sovereign phasers on average much shorter but it lacks considerable rear phasing arrays even after the upgrades. The star drive has only 4 aft phasers while Galaxy has eight.
@@saquist so by what you just said I am figuring you've never seen a sovereign I have a model of it persuade you strips everywhere the upper saucer alone at like 5
Sovereign has 15 total arrays. The aft bottom saucer arrays are obstructed by the impulse engines. Eight of the arrays are extremely short and also blocked by the Nacelles. Sovereign has 8 effective aft firing arrays. Galaxy has 12 total arrays. The Bow Stardrive array is blocked by the docked saucer. None of Galaxy's other arrays are blocked. Galaxy has 9 effective aft firing arrays Galaxy is a better platform for phasers. Sovereign has a lot of problems because the designer was rushed. 1.The Quantum torpedo launcher sits on the deck of the Captains yacht. No mechanism at all could fit there. 2.The separation plane is impossible as shown. 3. The Star Drive lacks Impulse engines for separation and bow thrusters, 4. Until ST: Nemesis the entire ship lacked aft firing torpedoes or aft firing phasers on the Stardrive. 5.The Arrow head structure represents a strange design where the deck is either slanted or merely a huge vaunted ceiling for the decks below but whatever it is, it's not useable space. 6. Despite being from the same error there is no discernable sensor array...anywhere.
For pure fun i always go to remastered. Its incredibly stable and the visuals are stunning. Kobayashmiaru is good if your feeling adventurous and want to try some new mods :-) How about you?
@@RetroBadgerGaming I haven’t downloaded the remastered version. I don’t have quite the storage space for another version plus any mods I want. I only play on KM for that reason.
You need a Neo Connie Enterprise G aka the rechristened Titan A. I'm torn on the ship, I've always known the Enterprise to be the most advanced ship of it's time. The Neo Connie isn't even as powerful or bigger than the Odyssey Class. It's going to be strange seeing a ship size comparison video now.
😲Wow... I never thought the Ent E would get taking out ,, but had 2 ships.. so.. Yes true Shinzon just wanted Picard's blood ,, jeepers just realized everyone wants something from Picard.. crikey... I too think this was proper battle and show of force.. The Ent E is more powerfull... have to say.. Great battle Captain... yes I too thought hmmm did a certain Betazed took the helm.. hmm 🤔... Thank you for the video and comparison of both ships.. Worf was right.. but..! Great battle Captain...! 😊🖖
Both ships are effectively battleships. It's just that the Enterprise-E was more advanced, newer, and even more powerful. In naval terms, it's like comparing the Tennessee-class to the Iowa-class. That's what we've got here. Both are battleships 100%, but the Iowa is faster and more powerful. Same comparison between the Galaxy and Sovereign.
Worf is just a cheer leader for the newest ship he serves on...he did it with the D when he bragged it was a formidable weapon when relieved of it's bulk. he did it with the E in Picard, and I'll bet you MONEY I could find a clip of him bragging about the firepower of the Defiant. But to answer you, no this is far from fair...I love the D and all, but it's outdated shields versus volley after volley of quantum torpedoes? Nah, that's going to be a short battle.
A post Dominion war Galaxy class should be very powerful. I don’t think a Sovereign could take down 2 of them if they are commanded by experienced Captains.. One on one though a Sovereign would outclass it
This is really impossible as to how the early generation starship galaxy class able to beat the most advance starship sovereign class with just photon torpedoes while it uses a more powerfull qauntum torpedo that can obliterate a borg shere ship in the First Contact.
They really nerfed those photon and quantum torpedos they did a lot more damage in the movies and tv shows. Didn't four of them takeout a borg cube in first contact?
Whenever I watch these simulation between the Enterprise D & E, my thought is why doesn't the Enterprise D separate from the saucer section.. I mean it does have a battle bridge for a reason?... The E should have been destroyed going against 2 Enterprise D'Souza for that reason alone.
“‘All hands - battle-stations.’” The Galaxy class was as strong or as weak as the plot demanded. How many times was it effectively one-shot, now contrast that with how many times Data said, “Their weapons pose no threat to the Enterprise.” As for the Sovereign, it’s sleek and powerful, but i really hate the no-neck designs. In reality, “no-neck” is a derogatory term for meatheads.
I need a cigarette after that last episode of Picard
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Leftard is crap.
No kidding! It was awesome right up until the Titan was renamed Enterprise. So stupid. We didn’t even get to see any action with Enterprise F, and now a much weaker ship is the next flagship? What were they thinking?
"We have to be carefull here..."
*proceeds to present the weak shield to the enemy ship*
Ah yes, classical Retro Badger-Move.
I think the Enterprise D would have had a massive refit in the weapon and shield category had she survived to fight in the dominion war . One must remember she was the flag ship .
Personal Headcanon is that there was a limited amount of Galaxy-Class ships that were actually upgraded to the Dreadnought version we see in All Good Things towards the end of the Dominion war (like 3-4 of them) that never saw battle, but exist.
The Galaxy class was a flagship for a time of exploration, not war, though I think it could hold its own within a fleet. But that’s why the sovereign was created to be the new flagship.
TNG Nth Degree shows Galaxy doesn't need a heavy physical upgrade to be more powerful.
Geordi increases power to the phasers (likely enough to match 1 photon torpedo) because that's what was estimated needed to destroy the probe. Ultimately 3 torpedoes destroyed the probe but shields were enhanced to 3x.
300% but required to drop out of warp to do it. So galaxy only needs a warp core upgrade like that of the Sovereign and likely it would be just as powerful.
That episode tells us alot. Power is the limiting factor in these ships not the technology
@@Ronald-nh7pl We actually see a refitted version of the Galaxy Class during the Dominion War with additional phaser banks. Search for the USS Venture in Memory Alpha. Its only logical to assume she got upgraded shields and additional torpedoes as well. Most likely even quantum torpedoes.
@@Ronald-nh7plNot quite. Galaxy Class is the most versatile, and can be refitted with much heavier weaponry (See All Good Things). The difference is crew requirement. Ship design of Starfleet post DS9 is smaller, more well packed ships for efficiency.
Not sure if/how the game simulates it, but the Sovereign is supposed to have 'regenerative' shields. Essentially, a second shield system that it swaps to while it lets the beaten shields recover integrity.
This is cannon definitely the Auto regenerative shielding was first tested successfully about the U.S.S Prometheus in 2374 the Sovereign was first testing it in 2370 with only partial success Voyager was fitted with a Borg enhanced version in January 2374.
I never understood how a "secondary shield grid" was of much benefit. The problem with shielding is the power requirement, they take a beating because they are being drained of power. If you have a secondary warp core providing power to defensive systems while your primary warp core is driving your phasers, you stand to do much better in a firefight than if you just have two shield grids pulling from the same power system. They figured this out when they figured out how to house two warp cores safely.
@@dominodoggy1 heat dissipation, the shields absorb as well as reflect energy, the absorbed energy gets turned into heat and sent through a heatsink to be radiated away, so if you had a second shield grid with seperate heatsinks you could switch to that and allow the first to cool and rebuild power
if you consider what potential a War Galaxy class really has due to its modular designe, it is just sad that it never got represented that way. The Galaxyclass could house several defiant class warp and energy generators in the saucersection, with upgraded mainframes and neuro packs. With this in mind a galaxyclass would if fitted accordingly rip through most things with ease even the E wouldnt stand a chance. the inner volume of the D is about 1.5 to 1.8 times the volube of the Es and most of it was empty to begin with.
Given the Galaxy used the older Type-X phasers, whereas the Sovereign had the Type-XII, the Sovereign had hull-hugging, regenerative shields, fourteen phaser arrays, four rear photon and 3 fore photon, and the quantum torpedo launcher, plus it was far more maneuverable (The Sovereign can, theoretically, lose zero performance with the loss of one of its two drives, and the RCS Arrays on the Sovereign were the same ones used on the Galaxy, with each of the 35 thruster quads generating 4.5 million newtons of thrust despite the Sovereign being nearly 1.25 million metric tons lighter, about 100 meters shorter in height, and about half the width) and had the ablative armor...
It'd be a big lift to uprate the Galaxy class to match it. Realistically, the Sovereign should be able to run circles around the Galaxy class... and in fact should maneuver closer to something like an Akira class. Not bad at all for a multi-mission explorer :D
So you make these numbers up
We see this with the World Razer, a Galaxy design fitted to be the meanest dog in the fight.
Worf said it had additional phaser arrays. The D had a single one above and below the saucer, the E had like 5-6 above and below. That's just the saucer section.
A Galaxy class has eleven phaser arrays, the two big ones on the saucer, two on top of the drive section, five on the bottom of the drive section and two more on top of the drive section near the aft torpedo launcher. The drive section also has another array on top that is visible when the saucer is disconnected.
@@JaredLS10 i only mentioned the saucers of both ships. The secondary hull of the Galaxy class has majority of the phasers, showing that it's supposed to have saucer separation
Enterprise D/Galaxy have eighteen phaser banks.
Saucer (8) :
-1.Four emitters in dorsal main array (4).
-2.Four emitters on ventral's main array (4).
(Have overlapping arc for every two consecutive emitters)
Engineering hull (10) :
-3.One array on top Engineering hull (only visible during separation mode) (1).
-4.One array beneath & behind her deflector dish. (Just beneath her antimatter storage) (1).
-5.One array on each wing, facing outside (2).
-6.Two arrays behind battle bridge (2).
-7.Four arrays surrounding her aft torpedo launcher (two on dorsal & duplicated for the ventral side) (4).
The E's (pre nemesis version) and Sovereign have slightly less array than D's.
Most of its emplacement are identical to the Galaxy's ,but point 3 and 7 are missing in E/Sovy's, due to difference in wing and neck design.
I don't have E model during Nemesis, so i have no idea where the additional four phasers emplacement are.
Edit : that's misconception on your statement there, D's emitter on saucer are not two; but eight emitters, separated in two arrays.
While E's saucer have twelve emitters, separated in six arrays.
But you'r correct, E's majority of armament were on her saucer, while D were on her engineering hull.
Pretty crew dependant this one I reckon. Though generally I'd have said a sovereign refit would make mincemeat of even a couple of galaxies.
if the D blew up the cube im sure the E could've done it half the time.
Probly one quarter to a third and then no storyline. 🤣
The E has been known to blow up cubes
The Galaxy was a glass cannon for its size, for a ship as imposing in dimensions it wasn't very strong. HOWEVER, it was still a powerful vessel in general as it was a technologically advanced platform and we see that it packed enough of a punch that even races which used fully fledged warships dealt with it rather cautiously....it wasn't some easily dismissed ship that could just be steamrolled.
I imagine the Dominion War era Galaxies, stripped of their peacetime sandbagging (*cough* civilians and most scientific stuff) and properly armored would've been very formidable.
Another important thing to note Is that in Dominion war only ONE single Galaxy class was lost. And Its not like they were kept back. Weve seen multiple of these magnificent beasts in various battles. So i would say theyr survival rate Is rather good.
Imagine if the Enterprise D had been a sovereign class during the episodes of The Next Generation. The galaxy would have been in big trouble.
I always felt the Galaxy Class could take a beating while to Sovereign has overwhelming offensive capabilities as it was designed more as a War/Science vessel. The Galaxy Class was intentionally more defensive than offensive, but could give the enemy a black eye.
The shields on a Sovereign are far superior to a Galaxy Class.
@@AtlantiansGaming yeah but a galaxy class was deceptively tanky with only a flaw with elements of the warp core itself
Galaxy Class was just a cruise liner in space.
@@triforcegaming2678 the USS olympic says hi...a cruise liner that was famous for running over and sinking subs with its mass alone.
@@SuperGamefreak18 Never heard of that, I was just pointing out that a Galaxy Class was mostly a cruise liner type ship had families onboard.
It was a Luxury Hotel Ship.
The sovereigns are lean-mean purpose built battleships. Type XII phasers as opposed to Type X, many torpedo launchers, twice as powerful warp core. Most importantly, and something neglected by Starfleet until the Borg incident, is carrying armor. Add all that plus incorporating the computer breakthroughs and voila! A ship twice as powerful as the Galaxy. But don't sleep on the Galaxy. It can fling more torpedoes than almost any ship. It is big and has a warp core and reactors powerful enough to make their phaser array more powerful than any other ship equipped with Type Xs. And that was before the DW. The DW refits are considerably more powerful than the stock Galaxy. Probably 75% of the Sovereign with the survivability being the only major difference.
The Galaxy class were the best prior to the Intrepid, Defiant, Sovereign & Prometheus class starships of the early 2370s
I dont think they neglected to include armor, they didn't have armor that was worth anything. The doctrine of the last century seemed to be that shields and weapons were so much more powerful than material structures that investing in shields was the right thing to do. Even in the 23rd century a ship without shields was going to get chewed up by contemporary weapons.
Developing an effective armor system only becomes necessary when an enemy is consistently able to bypass your shields. There's zero incentive to develop the stuff, let alone slap it on every ship in the fleet for who knows how long when there's no use for it.
The armor used here isn't simply thicker metal, thay wouldn't work because not only the Borg but most other significant powers starfleet faces can penetrate multiple layers of hull with conventional weapons. The Enterprise gets punched clean through by a Klingon torpedo, that's two layers of hull at least on deck, and a whole ass galley, and it didn't even slow down, so we can assume it could have gone through more material, definitely deep enough into the hull to gut a large part of the ship if it detonated. You can't just add several ships worth of hull plating to every ship just in case, even if it would be effective.
GALAXY CLASS only had High density armour at the time 9cm thick.
Sovereign uses type 10 phasers.
I say this because according to the tech manual type 11s are for Starbase only. Only Starbase have the power to double the output of the type 10.
In fact Intrepid Galxy and Sovereign are all Type X. The only difference is amount if available power from their cores.
Wrong Type XII and the Prometheus class and Defiant class aswell and that's cannon check the Star trek magazines and all the games.
The Galaxy Class' shields are beast. Thank goodness, because she's a glass cannon without them.
That was a really really amazing video & the Enterprise E & Enterprise D R both amazingly beautiful looking Starships
Two things.
1) "Welcome to the Enterprise-G. It's not nearly as advanced as the Enterprise-F, but we're extra perky!" Kinda thought it was weird to retroactively rename a ship, which btw is also a major naval superstition no-no. You never rename a ship because it's bad luck.
2) I am entirely confused about the whole Borg thing these last 2 episodes. I thought Jurati was the Borg Queen. People were al like, "The Borg reveal was amazing!" And I'm over here scratching my head thinking, "Wasn't the whole Borg thing wrapped up at the end of Season 2?" It literally makes no sense.
According to Terry Matalas - Jurati and those Borg are technically a different faction of Borg from another timeline (The Borg Queen having come from the dark Confederation timeline).
I've not seen Picard yet and even I know they are different Borg from different times doing different things, you should pay more attention when you watch things......
The last epoch had great parts and terrible ones.
The good:
Seeing the D fly and fight again.
Actually lighting on the D.
The poker scene.
No major character dying.
Old school Trek ships like the Sovereign and Akira on screen.
Finally get to see ships fire phasers and quantums.
Q returns.
The bad:
Made no sense that the D could fly into the Cube. Unless this is some sort of fusion cube, the scale and the gaps in her structure make no sense. I feel like a writer was a fan of Star Wars Return of the Jedi where they took out the Death Star this way and wanted to see the Trek version. Same with the old Star Trek experience in Las Vegas with the D hovering overhead.
The Titan was clearly important enough to give it an A. That's kind of insulting to rename her. Obviously done for budget and feels reasons as a new gen G would cost more.
Wish the D would have remained in service with Captain Seven. It's a much nicer ship and better built set than the Titan.
Made no sense how Spacedock Probert Edition was rebuilt so quickly. Would have rather seen the OG Spacedock towed to Earth and used again, which makes more sense considering what must have been a considerable loss of life and ships in the battle to save Earth.
Made no sense the Borg were in that bad of shape after Voyager. The Queen assimilated the pathogen thus she also assimilated how to cure it. Even if the Borg were banged up, this was just weird.
Whoopie should have been in the final bar scene.
Miles O'Brien should have been involved.
I re-watched Season 2. No mention of it being a "different timeline" vs. the one that continued on to Season 3. And there are no "different factions" of Borg, there is only 1 Queen, not multiple, so what that tells me is that, like is typical for Trek writers, they still absolutely suck at maintaining any kind of logical continuity in their storylines.
I thought every Enterprise was bigger and more advanced than the last?
Renaming the Titan A the Enterprise G was dumb.
Yes I think it's about right with a skilled crew 💯 ..great as all ways 👍
According to the registration number which can clearly be seen at the beginning of the video, that Galaxy class is the NCC 71879 That's the USS Dauntless. You can even see the name with the registry number.
To be honest we’ve seen the damage a type 12 phaser does to a starship (the weapons platforms in ds9 and they are also on star bases, they literally nearly one shot ships, in three shots they destroyed a galaxy class, the sovereign having over 10 type 12 phasers it can fire simultaneously, rip any galaxy class
Keep in mind, there were several refits of the Galaxy, most of them wartime refits which made it a far more deadly and survivable ship.
Here's the thing.
Galaxy classes aren't slouches.
Starfleet frequently upgrades their ships, meaning that the Galaxy would be upgraded probably in the same year (or close to it) with all the latest technology available to the Sovereign class.
Given the Galaxy's overall size and mass, it can easily house the same Warp core, upgraded phaser arrays, shields, quantum torpedoes (using existing launchers would have been enough), computer upgrades, power transfer conduit upgrades, ablative hull alrmour upgrade (if Starfleet uses it - they really should give it to pretty much all their ships to reinforce the hull).
At any rate, a galaxy with those upgrades would likely not only be a match for the Sovereign class, but it could potentially overpower it (although in fairness, size in Trek universe means little with technical efficiency... still, if the Galaxy had the same tech as the sovereign, yeah, it would likely be able to match it).
EDIT: In fact, we have seen the ENT-D being upgraded a couple of times in TNG.
At one point it even got a new Warp core (I wonder if SF worked out the problem with the parasites in the conduits).
Starfleet is all about upgrading their ships and seems to design them that way. Compare a TMP era Excelsior to the Lakota for example. They're not even in the same universe in terms of performance. Given that the Galaxy class was a huge project for starfleet it's pretty much guaranteed that future upgrades were factored into its base design. I figure a modernized Galaxy would be a roughly equivalent but different type of ship to a Sovereign. The Sovereign would be more of an agile battlecruiser type design with a lot of firepower and good maneuverability where as the Galaxy would be more of a heavy ship of the line. Slower and with similar firepower, but likely a lot more survivability, when things like upgraded shields, power systems and ablative armor got added. If modernized, its primary phaser strips would also likely be the individually most powerful phaser weapons in starfleet, just based on their sheer size.
Starfleet certainly did upgrade the Galaxy class during its service life - e.g. the Venture refit which featured prominently during the Dominion War on DS9 seemed to be beast, with additional phaser arrays and so on. But I like to think in the case of the restored D, Georgi restored it to its classic TNG spec, because that's the ship HE knew. And a battleship the TNG Enterprise was not. Supporting the "factory spec" hypothesis, the Enterprise shown in S3 of Picard did not sport the expanded Bridge layout seen in Generations, suggesting he was restoring the ship to an earlier spec.
Im surprised the galaxy class after taking one or two hits, didn't try and eject the core or something because it was breached. Alot of the time the Enterprise can have a breach after a few shots from a couple of middle ranking ships, yet it can hold its own to a point against a cube or another powerful vessel. Really enjoyed the video, im subscribed!
Watch out for the NCC 1701 - Q it has a Q-continuum finger snap capability.
You better watch out for the NCC 1701-Z, a Multiverse-class ship with exotic power generation, shields, sensors and weapons and capable of defeating Multiverse-level gods
Is there a dominion war retro fit version? Some of the galaxies got quantum torpedoes better phasers and improved sheilding. In exchange for some of the luxury areas.
Erm, all it proved was that you were the decisive factor in both battles. Not sure what I just saw proves anything other than that, unless a clone of you could play against you in both scenarios.
@retro, can you do a test where a Galaxy-class is moving at full impulse, dodging and weaving, and firing all weapons at the target
Have you tried the War Galaxy vs a Soveriegn. I would assume if the USS Enterprise-D had survived to the Dominion War she would have been upgraded with thr advanced weaponry including Quantum Torpedoes.
What about the Enterprise F? Is it also 2 times stronger than the enterprise E?
I love your videos and really enjoyed this one! Personally I think cosmetically speaking the Galaxy is far better looking but if I had to pick between the two to command I would always go Galaxy! It may be technically inferior but there is something about it that just makes me smile.
?????No Saucer separation?????
1:58 comedic timing! And I should know hehe 😹
Riker Quote - "I learned from the best" ;-)
Considering the fact NCC 1701 E was built after NCC 1701 D first encounter with the Borg starfleet had time to take the weapon systems from the D and upgrade them for E also right after the crash on Veridian 3 Enterprise E was already being designed and built during Best of Both Worlds Picard warned starfleet they're coming they responded we'll be ready. So they were already beginning New projects including the sovereign class. Yes, this is accurate E has newer technology and a new design. D more exploration. E more combat style. They needed a Enterprise that could fight the Borg and win without putting families at risk. After the Borg peaceful exploring was over. Therefore no children on NCC 1701 E.
In BC remastered the Ent-D has 10 photon launchers front and rear. The stock Galaxy has 7. These look like stock to me.
Galaxy class type ten phaser sovereign type 12 phaser add in the quantum booms heavier shields & ablative armor & it was designed for combat all equals a stronger ship all around. Not to dis the Galaxy but it wasn't designed for war. For what it's mission profile is it's a great ship. But Enterprise E was made to kill Borg. If that was 2 dominion war variant Galaxies it would be a different story. They got armored to a degree shield & weapon upgrades.
The Enterprise E would defeat 2 Galaxy class Battleship refits during the Dominion was but only just.
@@jasonwestwood7092 That is a match I would like to see done PVP against 2 live opponents I think the computer dumbs it down a bit & doesn't have the creativity of live players
While the most powerful ship of its time, the Galaxy class was built with a bias for exploration. It housed state of the art scientific equipment, and went to great lengths to incorporate quality of life features such as recreation facilities and schools, to accommodate the crew and their onboard families. It came from a time with a completely different philosophy to that of the Sovereign, which paid a lot more attention to defensive and offensive capabilities in light of the Borg threat at the time of its development. The Galaxy could get a refit of course, to balance things out. But if you're comparing the Enterprise D to the Enterprise E, this is probably a pretty decent simulation of their combat capabilities.
The E had type 12 phaser arrays, when the D had type 10s. She also had massively uprated and far more powerful shields than the D, hull armour, double the phaser arrays & torpedo launchers post Insurrection, a more streamlined hull profile & a lot more durability. Oh and quantum torpedoes.
What happened to the Ablative hull on the Enterprise-E?
Don't forget that the lower half is not the Enterprise and probably would have been refitted with upgraded torpedoes and shields.
The D fired 570> 528 Photon (42) with two call that 84 Torpedos to destroy the Sovereign , (18.5 isotons = 1554 isotons)
The E fired 250> 178 Quantum (72) = 36 Quantum’s per Galaxy class . (50 iso tons = 1800 isotons per Galaxy (3600)
Yep, I tried the two enterprises and they're priced E one and I played that game twice
Think back to 1987 and Gene Roddenberry’s vision. Enterprise D wasn’t a warship. It was an exploration vessel with significant armaments and shields. The ships that succeeded her had the benefits of being built for a different purpose and the latest weapons technology.
If I were going on a five year mission,I’d want to live on Enterprise D. If the Federation was at war, I’d want to be on Enterprise E!
Renaming the USS Titan to Enterprise G does make SOME sense. The crew of the Enterprise D just saved the galaxy. Again. Captain Riker once commanded the USS Titan. And they wanted to honor Gene Roddenberry with the “G”, which goes all the way back to TNG’s debut in 1987 (“D” was almost “G”, but they realized that the timeframe was too short).
It all works for me. USS Enterprise G is a fine “hero ship”. However, I actually expected the Titan to be renamed in honor of Captain Shaw. Of course, that would assume he’s actually dead. And we don’t want that. Commodore Shaw, please. Todd Stashwick was GREAT in Picard S3.
Not for nothin’ - I’d be VERY AFRAID of ANY starship piloted by post-Daystrom Institute DATA. The Enterprise D went on quite a rampage through that Borg cube in Picard S3 “Last Generation”. Data’s flying enabled Dr. Crusher to dish-out considerable mayhem from the Tactical station. As a Trekkie, it was great to see the TNG crew in total “boss mode”.
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That last words of the Captains flying the Galaxy Class would be, "Damn you Enterprise EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" 💥💥💥💥💥💥
🤣🤣🤣
This isn't a nemesis refit Sovereign. There are phaser strips on the warp nacelles.
I think it actually depends on the crew piloting the ship.
What about the All Good Things D
I love the enterprise e it my favorite ship
Would it be possible for the enterprise D to dump the warp power into the phaser banks
Riker voice: Worf, you still remember how to fire phasers? (Snicker)
Edit: It was the pilot, but yes, I think the E is twice as powerful... it was built to fight the Borg.
More like 4.5 times in Nemesis .
Well that proves Worf was right 👍 good one
I wonder how a Sovereign would fare against a Galaxy-X.
About even if they were in the same year but the Sovereign has less surface area and more manoeuvrable.
I think that’s a great test. If two really good commanders were in charge of the Ds, I think they could maybe take 1 E like you did. A really good commander in a single E stands a very fair chance of winning but definitely not unscathed.
If your going to pit different starships against each other, use their most powerful incarnations (i.e., the future 'All Good Things' Enterprise D that comes with cloaking, warp 13, and a spinal lance vs. the Enterprise E).
That future Enterprise, still though being a Galaxy class starship had so much power in it's forward phaserbank that it could blow straight through a FUTURE Klingon Negh'var, which were actual Battleships, and probably upgraded to Klingon weaponry of that time. Still the Enterprise shoots straight through the forward section of the ship.
Is this the Galaxy refit for the Dominion War? Those Galaxies could also fire Quantum Torpedo's.
The Enterprise D was never a battleship by design but it did have very sharp teeth and descent shields for the time.
Agreed! When we first saw the enterprise d it just oozed raw power. Almost like a flying city 🖖
Galaxy Class: exploration/diplomacy cruiser.
Sovereign: battleship cruiser with exploration/diplomacy 2nd place.
Reman Scimitar: op carrier???
they rebuild the D for the Starfleet Museum, they should offer the same courtesy to the E. canonically speaking, the E was in service far longer than the D was before her destruction, meaning the E had way more adventures under Picard and kept doing awesome and impressive things. It doesn't feel right that the E would remain lost forever instead of preserving her legacy for the Starfleet Museum after all the things the E has accomplished.
Hey did you get my battle request? I'm just curious it was 1 runabout Danube class vs discovery connie.
Sorry Admiral Salisbury. Don’t think I did. I’ll get that done asap 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming no problem.
@@RetroBadgerGaming what's up. Is everything OK on your side it's been 21 hours. Sorry I am just overly excited to see how the battle will go.
Pretty much agree. The "E" is definately twice as powerful as the "D".
In First Contact in Nemesis way more.
The Enterprise E in Nemesis had 16 type XII FB Phaser arrays 170000 TW maximum output of phased plasma energy 3 twin mounted & 5 single mounted type 4 Mk95 torpedo launchers and a Quantum torpedo Turrent 12 tubes each can fire 12 torpedoes at ounce, Regenerative shielding Multiphasic multispectrial shielding Ablative hull armour Phased Plasma torpedoes enhanced class 9 warp core warp 9.99 maximum warp.
Why couldnt the D be loaded with Quantum torpedoes 35 years later, they upgraded every other class much more than that
Galaxy class has huge power generation capabilities, so it is easy to refit. It lacks maneuverability
This has made me break down and finally buy the game again. I had it ages ago but lost the install disc, lol.
Well, just remember to take your nap.
😂That was pure comedy🖖
I think the Galaxy and Sovereign are closer in terms of strength. One is tougher with more powerful shields, and one has all the weapons. Maybe try one-on-one between the two to compare.
Is there a Khitomer class in this game?
Note: I have not completed a full analysis of Sovereigns weapons....but we do know both galaxy and Sovereign sport Type 10 phasers but Sovereign has more available power to get closer to type 10's max output. Sovereign has weaker phaser arcs.
Quantum torpodes aren't really much more powerful than photons. Not to mention Galaxy can fire photons faster than Sovereign becuase tubes are superior to short barrel turrets.
Their warp cores are the difference. Galaxy was likely updated to a dual input manifold as suggested in Booby Trap TNG. Leah Brahms says this increases power by 14%. Sovereign like Defiant has multiple streams entering the reactor. Defiant has 5. Sovereign has 7. So given the core is the same volume and length as Galaxies only with 6 additional streams...that comes to 84% more power for shields and weapons. And since Sovereign is a smaller ship its safe to say it's 2x the Firepower of the Galaxy in shields and phaser output.
It's not smaller in length, width only. Sovy has type XII
Quantums are far more powerful than photons. Quantums are zero point energy and up to 500 megatons or more.
@@darkmatter1152 galaxy's phasers are on a much larger saucer the makes the array longer. Sovereigns longest array is 362.37 meters. Galaxy's longest array is 806.73 meters.
There is no canon data on Sovereigns phaser types but it's hard to imagine why it would need anything more than a type ten if according to N'th degree the phaser can be fired at nearly the same fire as a single torpedo which should be around 2 or 3 times normal phaser output.
Think about it. Sovereigns Warp core at best estimate is only putting out 185% the power of a Galaxy class. If you can power a phaser at 3x more why make another phaser type.
Same thing for Voyager just taking what we know. Voyager is type 10. It just doesn't have the power to max it out.
@@saquist The Enterprise E in Nemesis had 16 type XII FB Phaser arrays 170000 TW maximum output of phased plasma energy 3 twin mounted & 5 single mounted type 4 Mk95 torpedo launchers and a Quantum torpedo Turrent 12 tubes each can fire 12 torpedoes at ounce, Regenerative shielding Multiphasic multispectrial shielding Ablative hull armour Phased Plasma torpedoes enhanced class 9 warp core warp 9.99 maximum warp.
@@saquist E's warp core is 2+ more powerful than galaxy.
I don't see much USS Anubis battles. Is it a too extreme ship to battle anything?
If actually talking about between the E-D and E-E- then yes the weapons with just the phasers alone on the E-E are far more superior to the E-D. HOWEVER, if a Galaxy class was built at the same time as a Sovereign class then they both should have the same weaponry. I mean same type of phasers and torpedoes.
I believe the DW refit Galaxy Class in-universe had Type XII phaser arrays installed to replace the Type Xs. Or at least the major arrays (dorsal, ventral on the Saucer, ventral under drive section, after strips). I think the launchers were refitted to handle quantums too. So, as the RBG refit demonstrates, the DW refit Galaxy had about 90% of the firepower of the Sovereign, but, even with the upgraded shields, additional reactors and application of some ablative armor, the hull and space-frame simply weren't as robust as the Sovereign and the ship probably only had 60-75% of the survivability. If you know your WWII ship classes, the difference between the Galaxy Refit and Sovereign is like the difference between the North Carolina Class and the Iowa Class. Hell, the stock Galaxy is analogous to the King George V Class, the epitome of the Treaty Battleship with only 14 inch guns and pretty thin armor for a battleship.
A refit Galaxy-class would be able to roughly rival a Sovereign-class. Remember the USS Lakota? Now imagine that kinda refitting for a GALAXY-CLASS....👀
Well, we know straight off that it's ALOT more powerful....for starters, it has 12 type XII phaser arrays, 1 rapid fire quantum tube and 4 type IV Burst fire photon tubes.....then there's the auto modulated shield system on top of that.... making it a beasty piece of equipment....
Heavy armor, ablative mesh double hull, as well as ablative armor. It is not an exaggeration to say the E's hull is 200% stronger than the Galaxy Class.
Galaxy STBC always and I mean ALWAYS target torpedo launchers.
I feel like the 1701D and the later post Dominion War Galaxy Class ships are two entirely different beasts. Theres zero reason to believe that the DW variant wouldn't have received the same weapon types as the sovvy in their wartime refit configuration, and it was a larger, tankier ship. Of course the D would lose to the E, but a wartime Galaxy was still a capital ship and utterly ferocious. Wartime Galaxies were more of a slow moving battleship of a capital ship, whereas sovvy was a faster, more maneuverable, expeditionary battlecruiser of a capital ship.
That's a good point. The Dominion War Variants looked different in Deep Space Nine and even had Phaser Strips on the Nacelles. I imagine fitting Quantum Torpedoes wouldn't have been difficult giving the size of the ship either. Could it have become the new Excelsior? The Lakota could face much more modern ships and win.
Well, the sovereign class is at least one or 2 generations ahead as far as technology goes. As much as i simp for the Galaxy class, it has no business beating the sovy.
Given that even the Intrepid supposedly has the same number and type of arrays, that already puts the Galaxy at a disadvantage before we consider that this mod takes away her ability to fire multiple arrays at once. I'm not saying the Sovereign shouldn't also be able to do it, but the old girl feels a bit handicapped.
More importantly, who has the larger holodeck
The two Enterprise D's put up a good fight but the Enterprise E is just two powerful for the D, with its quantums and armour.
Sovereigns have no armor at all. Too many windows for effective armor coverage. It does a have regenerative shields and that's proven by Star Trek Nemesis where it regenerates full shields after collapsing 2x.
Only ships with armore was Defiant (not all Defiants) and Promethus class.
Nice couple of matches.
What actually happened to the enterprise E , nobody actually explains like what happened to the ship and in Star Trek Picard season three
Run the upgraded Galaxy against the sovereign
I hope there’s no spoilers in this video. I haven’t watched the last episode yet.
Nothing major. Just a comment that Worf made in episode 9. Nothing about episode 10 though. I haven’t seen it yet. 🖖
Personally, I think the E could take 2 pre dominion war Galaxy class ships, but I think it would struggle to take on 2 post dominion variants. I don't think the E would survive in most encounters.
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The Sovereign class would definitely defeat two pre-dominion war Galaxy class ships, and would defeat two Dominion war upgraded Galaxy class ships - but only by using quantum torpedoes. There's no way a Galaxy class shields would hold long against those heavy duty quantum torpedoes. Just four of them destroyed a borg sphere in First Contact. (Though it was unshielded)
Like I keep saying. Take out the sensors and that’s that
Ent E has much better Phaser coverage and better shields per the technical data written on each ship
Not true. Not only are Sovereign phasers on average much shorter but it lacks considerable rear phasing arrays even after the upgrades. The star drive has only 4 aft phasers while Galaxy has eight.
@@saquist so by what you just said I am figuring you've never seen a sovereign I have a model of it persuade you strips everywhere the upper saucer alone at like 5
Sovereign has 15 total arrays. The aft bottom saucer arrays are obstructed by the impulse engines. Eight of the arrays are extremely short and also blocked by the Nacelles. Sovereign has 8 effective aft firing arrays.
Galaxy has 12 total arrays. The Bow Stardrive array is blocked by the docked saucer. None of Galaxy's other arrays are blocked. Galaxy has 9 effective aft firing arrays Galaxy is a better platform for phasers.
Sovereign has a lot of problems because the designer was rushed.
1.The Quantum torpedo launcher sits on the deck of the Captains yacht. No mechanism at all could fit there.
2.The separation plane is impossible as shown.
3. The Star Drive lacks Impulse engines for separation and bow thrusters,
4. Until ST: Nemesis the entire ship lacked aft firing torpedoes or aft firing phasers on the Stardrive.
5.The Arrow head structure represents a strange design where the deck is either slanted or merely a huge vaunted ceiling for the decks below but whatever it is, it's not useable space.
6. Despite being from the same error there is no discernable sensor array...anywhere.
@@saquist so now i know you have no clue what a Sovereign looks like or its fictional abilities since pretty much every you states is wrong
Hey are you using the bridge commander remastered mod?
In this video, yes.
what simulator is this please????
Can someone let me know what game this is please?
Retro Badger, which version of BC do you prefer? KM, or Remastered?
For pure fun i always go to remastered. Its incredibly stable and the visuals are stunning. Kobayashmiaru is good if your feeling adventurous and want to try some new mods :-) How about you?
@@RetroBadgerGaming I haven’t downloaded the remastered version. I don’t have quite the storage space for another version plus any mods I want. I only play on KM for that reason.
You need a Neo Connie Enterprise G aka the rechristened Titan A.
I'm torn on the ship, I've always known the Enterprise to be the most advanced ship of it's time.
The Neo Connie isn't even as powerful or bigger than the Odyssey Class.
It's going to be strange seeing a ship size comparison video now.
😲Wow... I never thought the Ent E would get taking out ,, but had 2 ships.. so.. Yes true Shinzon just wanted Picard's blood ,, jeepers just realized everyone wants something from Picard.. crikey... I too think this was proper battle and show of force.. The Ent E is more powerfull... have to say.. Great battle Captain... yes I too thought hmmm did a certain Betazed took the helm.. hmm 🤔... Thank you for the video and comparison of both ships.. Worf was right.. but..! Great battle Captain...! 😊🖖
Both ships are effectively battleships. It's just that the Enterprise-E was more advanced, newer, and even more powerful.
In naval terms, it's like comparing the Tennessee-class to the Iowa-class. That's what we've got here. Both are battleships 100%, but the Iowa is faster and more powerful. Same comparison between the Galaxy and Sovereign.
Worf is just a cheer leader for the newest ship he serves on...he did it with the D when he bragged it was a formidable weapon when relieved of it's bulk. he did it with the E in Picard, and I'll bet you MONEY I could find a clip of him bragging about the firepower of the Defiant. But to answer you, no this is far from fair...I love the D and all, but it's outdated shields versus volley after volley of quantum torpedoes? Nah, that's going to be a short battle.
A post Dominion war Galaxy class should be very powerful. I don’t think a Sovereign could take down 2 of them if they are commanded by experienced Captains.. One on one though a Sovereign would outclass it
Captain Player wins.. Enterprise E Range... ty for the vidoe and LLAP Enterprise E!
This is really impossible as to how the early generation starship galaxy class able to beat the most advance starship sovereign class with just photon torpedoes while it uses a more powerfull qauntum torpedo that can obliterate a borg shere ship in the First Contact.
They really nerfed those photon and quantum torpedos they did a lot more damage in the movies and tv shows. Didn't four of them takeout a borg cube in first contact?
If you used 2 Galaxies to take out the E sensors, can you take it more easily?
In Nemesis you would need 3 Galaxy class Battleships to defeat her.
I think 2 Galaxies would almost always destroy one Sovereign fairly easily.
Whenever I watch these simulation between the Enterprise D & E, my thought is why doesn't the Enterprise D separate from the saucer section.. I mean it does have a battle bridge for a reason?...
The E should have been destroyed going against 2 Enterprise D'Souza for that reason alone.
Why are all phasers hitting 100%
It’s in bc remastered 🖖
I think in a 1v1 the sovereign wins no doubt. In a 2v1, this looks about right, the galaxy class was a beast after all
“‘All hands - battle-stations.’”
The Galaxy class was as strong or as weak as the plot demanded. How many times was it effectively one-shot, now contrast that with how many times Data said, “Their weapons pose no threat to the Enterprise.” As for the Sovereign, it’s sleek and powerful, but i really hate the no-neck designs. In reality, “no-neck” is a derogatory term for meatheads.