@@annapugh9262 I am absolutely staggered at people on here so aggressively coming at anyone who defends or at least empathises with the brothers, whilst openly defending child abusers. It’s shameful
Lyle spoke from a place of someone that was truly abused when he said; "I wasnt just sitting around saying i was miserable. I was just trying to adapt."
Everyone keeps mentioning his answer at 45:50 but you need to keep watching till 46:30 because he does get emotional right after he finishes that response. You can hear it in his breath & see it in his eyes. You can also hear it in his voice when he answers the follow up question. It was a great answer but clearly took something outta him to be able to say it.
I think the prosecutor was expecting him to agree with her that “on his best day his father was tyrannical” and she was gonna say but look at all these nice things he did for you. It seemed to throw her off a bit.
It breaks my heart, to think that them being in jail at that time was better than his home life. And all she talks about is the privilege he had, you can have all the $$ in the world, but being abused at the same time doesn’t cancel out being abused. So she thinks bc he came from wealth,went on vacations and brought the the doctor the abuse wasn’t as bad or important!!! She sounds so ignorant, I literally can’t stand her or the sound of her voice. Ughhhhh!
It breaks my heart, to think that them being in jail at that time was better than his home life. And all she talks about is the privilege he had, you can have all the $$ in the world, but being abused at the same time doesn’t cancel out being abused. So she thinks bc he came from wealth,went on vacations and brought the the doctor the abuse wasn’t as bad or important!!! She sounds so ignorant, I literally can’t stand her or the sound of her voice. Ughhhhh!
This!💯 Yes he tries very hard to not become emotional, however it's always there in his eyes and brows. This particular time stamp I consider one of his best comments during cross. I think after he said it out loud, his own words hit him in a big way. His life was going well. He helps his brother, made terrible decisions, and lost everything, but at the same time Erik is free from the 12 years of evil and finds prison a better place. This sediment is not the same for Lyle as he stated in 2020 interview. So I wonder which part of his statement got him choked up. It could be that it's everything as a whole. Maybe knowing the possibility he will be in prison for a while. 😞
I don’t think the prosecutor understands that money doesn’t bring happiness, especially to children. Children need love, empathy, compassion, hugs, cuddles…..not just speech pathology, and tennis lessons. I doubt she has children.
@@miguelangelquiroz4669 First of all, they were already living lives of rich people, they weren't wanting for anything as far as material needs went. Second, they had been told they were struck off the will, so they weren't expecting any money. Third, the abundance of research evidence shows that children kill their parents don't do it for the money. There was no other evidence to suggest that they did it for the money.
Tamara, you must not pay attention to many cases. Lots of children kill their parents for money, so not sure where you're pulling that out of, other than your behind. In fact stats will show you it's the most common cause. Secondly, there is no evidence to support that they thought they wouldn't receive an inheritance, other than their word. I dont know if they're being truthful, but your spewing nonsense
I don't know enough about this lawyer and her motives, but it is evident she had little regard for scientific truth. Her line of questioning to Lyle about his professed "love" for his mother and the apparent contradiction in his shooting of her cheeks shows she completely discounted the hours and days of evidence by many experts about the impact of trauma. These days, even lay people know that when your sympathetic nervous system is over-activated, like Lyle's was in the lead-up to the shooting and during the moment of shooting, your frontal lobe, where thinking and judgement resides, shuts down. As Lyle responded, he wasn't thinking, just reacting. I once heard a male juror say that he couldn't believe that the boys were afraid when the parents were behind a closed door. This juror, like the lawyer, also disregarded what many experts testified to - that their brains' threat centre would have been hyper-active, based on years of experience of threat. If the defense could prove that they lived under those conditions, the last moments would be easy to understand. Withhold that information, and pre-meditated murder is all one can logically conclude.
Its her job as a prosecutor…they’re just doing their job because that’s what you do to make an income. Even if she believed them, she has to make a point. It’s not like she made a ton of money out of this. She’s just a lawyer who got a big case.
I'm a Lawyer and I understand the way people might perceive us, but that's our job, it's not an easy one and you need a certain kind of character to perform it and be willing to be parised and be hate all at the same time.
The fact that Lyle thinks that what happened between he and his mother was mutual is so terrible and an indication that he is telling the truth. One, he was a minor, and two, even if he wasn't, she was clearly in a position of power over him and was HIS MOTHER!
Yeah it's sad that as an adult he couldn't admit that his mother molested him because a child cannot consent to sexual acts and really you can never consent to incest with a parent no matter your age because they have power over you.
It makes me so angry and horrified to see how at minute 47:37 Pamela tries to minimize the abuse and harm they received, Just because they had a privileged life with expensive schools, cars, money and more. It's stupid. The luxuries in such a situation are just as miserable for the victims. And I won't discuss it with anyone.
Calm down. It's the prosecutors job to prove their case, whether you like it or not. I don't particularly like Pam either, though they're still entitled to ask questions that might not be in favour of the defense's case.
@@scooopableThere are ways to ask questions and be smarter, some of them from both Pam and Kuroma were pretty stupid. And I know it's their job but on many occasions it's done badly.
@@karorodriguez969 I can agree that it occured sometimes, though in that particular timestamp, how else do you think she could have asked it? In my opinion it wasn't really argumentative or asked in a particularly nasty way. I just don't think that's exclusive to Pamela. Leslie also asked Brian Andersen the question "when did you decide to remember that" and she also tended to be very argumentative and scream in the courtroom. To me, Pam seemed much more grounded and calm and made pretty good points in her closing argument. I'm not pro-prosecution, just for the record. I just see the case very nuanced.
I think she’s great but tough ,that’s what you need with two spoilt brats who murdered their parents and tried to weasel out of it by claiming to be abused
@@opencurtinthere is SO much evidence that they were actually abused and have trauma. They also weren’t actually all that spoiled. You really need to do your research before you go commenting bullshit
@@Iszidoraa I saw the first case the sex abuse excuse was bullshit then and it’s bullshit now , that excuse is for the gullible and that one’s fawning over these creeps who were given every opportunity in life but chose the easy way out to try to get their parents money , I’m not saying everything was sunshine and roses in that house but try living a real hard life before you shotgun your parents to death !!!
I’m 48 years old and have had traumatic abuse in my childhood (NOTHING- not a millionth of what the brothers did) and I have been in years of therapy and continue to this day to make excuses for my parents and minimize what they did. Even at 24 years old I still lived with them and felt I could not leave and we had NO MONEY. People understand coercive control much more these days. At 48 years old if my father raises his voice I will start shaking and freeze like I’m a child again and as an adult I have become a kickboxing instructor and can defend myself but I still go right back to a child. Your formative years are as children- it shapes who you are as an adult. Unfortunately I have been with partners my whole life who were just like my dad. It’s really hard to understand unless you have been through it. To actually watch the brothers turn into little boys on the stand when they start talking about the abuse is heartbreaking. FBI behavioral analysts have said the very best actors could never conduct a “performance “ like that. They believe them, as do I. No matter how good of an actor you are- and these are not trained actors- Eric took a drama class in high school and was in a Shakespeare play- that is what we are dealing with here. When you’re lying your body gives unconscious “tells” that you cannot control. Everyone who’s analyzed them said their emotions/behaviors are so consistent with severe trauma that it would be virtually impossible for them to be that consistent unless they were being truthful.
Thank you so much for sharing your truth. I'm sorry that you went through what you went through and are still going through what u are going through. It is truths like yours that help people open their eyes. At least if they choose to. 💙💙💙 I'm so happy that at least the ones that believe them do. Like us. Sending you a hug and hope that things get better and that you get out of that grip that allows you to still telapoort to being a child. Ty again.
I agree, I witnessed shocking domestic abuse as a child and have hidden it away for 45 years. I only told my husband of 25 years last month. I have never had therapy, but I suffer from anxiety and trichotillomania. Watching Erik and Lyle crying breaks my heart. 😢
@@shay4415 I totally agree. I’m so sorry with what you have gone through and continue to deal with. It’s so heartbreaking and I 💯believe that they were abused. Definitely not an act imo
While still attached to one’s abuser he/she feels almost like you share their brain. The prosecutor is asking questions as if Lyle was an “independent “ 19 years old normal college kid used to rebelling instead of a severely abused almost brainwashed guy who could even think the way she’s purporting in her questions to Lyle. Her questions sound as if she’s purposely trying to make him look bad. Only a person who grew up under constant scrutiny and abuses of both parents in their own way would be able to understand. I hope at the very least the Menendez brothers get a new trial.
I find Lyle to be very honest and forthright. Both of these men (brothers) need to be released from prison. They have done enough time now in prison. They survived a horrific childhood and have been through hell.
He was taught to be a liar. I don't believe everything he's saying and in the second half of cross he got a tad bit confused. He's a cold-blooded killer.
Bro, the lawyer speaks in such a disrespectful tone sometimes. Like…if you don’t like the guy okay, but be professional. Do your job without your feelings interfering. AND STOP ASKING IF HE WAS ANGRY
@JayBMex the photos, medical records, letters, 50+ other witnesses etc are acting too right? I can't believe inanimate objects like photographic evidence and medical records can act as well! amazing technology
Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard! She’s the type who thinks if she speaks fast, she sounds smart and intimidating. She had an opinion of the brothers, before the trial started. It’s so obvious… she does to this day, she’s a bitter bitch.
@@rumi1970dgYup, they’re all lying! lol…ppl need to really watch this case, and body language experts explaining that it’s so difficult to fake the emotions they show during the highly charged moments of their testimony. STILL after all these years it’s sad how closed minded people are, especially the prosecutor to this day!! 🙄😡
Apologize for what they premeditated their parents death then try to blame it on the mob.. they could have premeditated stealing their father's money or a big chunk of it getting in the car and leaving
Your full of trash nation needs to start a new beginning & it's called Church where you will learn 'Thou Shall Not Kill. This case has certainly shown that there's a whole Cult of twisted bottom feeders who will slaughter their parents for the Money. Congrats. BTW - Jose had an insurance policy for $15 Million & the paperwork was in his Office, where Eric had been working. Those mongrels were expecting an Instant payout then they could splurge extravagantly while waiting for the will to be probated, only about 8 Million. They didn't know that the 15M was a policy for the Business loan in case of death. Lyle bought 3 Rolex watches on the Wednesday using his credit card. Woops. LMAO.
@ both of those men hurt. Lyle and Erick are both victims of torture and hundreds of rapes by their father. No one deserves more justicie than the other.
She wanted to make the jury think he was coached masterfully for this because it was such a compelling bit of testimony. I'm glad they did not allow that line of questioning. It should never be allowed to ask how the defendant has prepared to testify. I wonder what they could have achieved in a different world. So much ability put in prison. Really a remarkable family all around, bright and charming, accomplished. I wish it would have been different for them all.
I think he had a heart of gold. Necklaces, bracelets, an emerald pendant, roses every week...They don't make them like that anymore. He loved that girl.
Lyle does have a child like attitude. He remains loyal to his dad, no outbursts of anger. No hateful comments. Only children do that. I’m certain no friends or normal activities were ever permitted.
Because he knows he's guilty and he knows he's lieing about his dad ,there is a part in the trial when lyle is directly examines and he says in one answer , after the shooting he didn't want to talk to erik or look at him he thought erik was really bad ! These 2 were if age 21 and 18 ,me for example I left my home in nyc at 17 and a half and I was a young girl out of hs and joined the military, I wasn't going to have my parents support or put up with me ,I left and I'm glad I did ,I loved my parents ,they are now gone ,but there comes a point in life when you realize it's time to go seek new adventures and create my life ,these 2 didn't want to let go ,they wanted that money ,they were ef ups ,spoiled self entitled attitudes ,and you all better know this fact ,do you ever wonder why Leslie Abramson isn't on recent Interviews to support them ,? Oh ok let me say she made up abuse bs ,she gave them each a book called " when a child kills " by Paul mones and when you read the book ,it's almost like the script for there case ,thheybare lieing scummy brats ,after the slaughter they spent money in obscene ways , 4 rolex watches ,gold money clips,a 550k restaurant in nj,35k in clothing and shoes,porsches jeeps,pool tables 4 patio homes 2 marina fel rey condos ,gambling trips, fine dining ,lieing to family friends ,another buisness in a strip mall in nj ,these 2 took there lives and tryed fashion ing it like the billionaire boys club ,that monster liar Leslie Abramson didn't want that narrative in the trials,and do you all know william vicary eriks lieing psychological dr ,talk about karma, recently his license to practice is no more out in California for his actions and inappropriate behavior toward clients that couldn't pay him his fees ,bastard ! Snd know that Leslie Abramson nearly got disbarred because whole she was questioning william vicary on the stand the prosecutor David conn realized they were working on redacted document he was lieing on the stand for Leslie Abramson, the judge even asked the young killer wrik if he would like or not for her to continue to defend him and he said he still wanted her to defend him regardless and funnybafter the trial ended erik was so upset that he tryed to say he had mispresentation by Abramson haha karma ! And I can go on and on ,know this fact as well ,after the first trials ended hung lyle menendez was recorded in a jail phone call with a friend and made this statement "WE FOOLED HALF THE COUNTRY THE FIRST TIME ALL WE NEED TO DO IS FOOL THE OTHER HALF " both liars never were they molested and thos hasbeen coming put 34 years later from menudo better beware he can be arrested for false statements and that Robert rand as well pushing his narrative like he teyed to do back in 1990 to one of lyles friends Donavan goodreou,the case is open shut ,they killed for money got away for almost 7 months and boom lwop they so richly deserve bye bye ,help the hungry ,the homeless the poor ,stop looking up to lieing murderers! Eho will do nothing in society ,they are murderers !!!!!
This lawyer is weird. So because his life was privileged therefore it cancels out what the father had done to them in the dark? I pray there is a hell & especially for this prosecutor. I can't believe my ears. To hell with the money & trips, they suffered their whole childhood & it messed up their whole adulthood.
Girlllll Speakkkkk. And all of that was what his dad wanted. That didn't have anything to do with Lyle. He had better listen to his father. He had no choice. Wasn't a fkn candy fair walk. Things were going horrible for him. Lyle started getting punched in the stomach at 5 years old 😢😢😢
She works for the state, what did u expect? I would rather voice an opinion on the judge cause he was biased that big ol dossa. Given the circumstances of the OJ case and how they lost that, they did everything in their power to win this case.
How excruciatingly sorrowful for Lyle...the main thing here is that HE WAS Erick's protector all his life!!! No one cared for Erick, but Lyle adored his brother, genuinely loved Erick with all his heart! These men need to be released...they were tormented all their lives!
@@ladylilo6044 there's this guy that was in jail with them for about 10 months he said that Lyle was a manipulator and Eric would do anything for him... Just like the shooting
@GorgaliciousEvilWorshRag funny that's been said when they literally were separated for all those years. 10 months when? I'm questioning like you. Where's the evidence. How can you make that add up? They lit just united. And there's no way that we can use that person as a solid resource when they prob had a falling out with them and they just don't want them. Could be bias as hell...I agree with you. Lyle was all Erik had. And they'd do anything for each other. 💜💜💜 FREE ERIK AND LYLE
@@ritagamez3732 well tell that to that horrible man who created that horrible Netflix show about them... they portrayed Lyle like this egomaniac who apparently scared kitty
like obviously just trying to paint a picture of an angry man. the more lyle talked, the more I felt bad for him. those kids were traumatized by their parents
@@theinvisibleme4104Exactly…either Lyle is a genius and the greatest actor to ever walkend this earth or Ryan Murphy is a POS…I listen to these tapes and not once did I see him to show any temper or aggression….He talks as if they sucked the life out of him…his voice is so depressed, Are we all.blind or Ryan Murph knows some things that we don’t??
@@theinvisibleme4104 I think he was just showing different perspectives of what could have happened in that series. And people who were with him in jail stated that Lyle was the more aggressive one and Erik was weaker.
@@katiem4539 They sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who would murder Their parents at a drop of a hat. Shame on you all.
@@BlissDecisionwho to blame for that behavior? His mom and dad, they raise him to be just that, someone who never worked a day in his life was emotionally and financially codependent.
Exactly!! They isolated them and kept them dependent so they'd struggle to leave home, all for their own sick satisfaction. Everyone said the boys are "just psychopaths" .. what are the chances two children both end up psychopathic if they have normal parents?? Slim to none. No one thought about that? @@theinvisibleme4104
@47:24 In her attempt to downplay the abuse, she hurts her argument that they did this for financial gain. She spent her whole case trying to prove up all the purchases the brothers made after the crime - Fancy vacations, jewelry, cars, clothes, private tennis coaches and housing - as if they killed their parents so they could have nice things but from her own cross examination, she’s proving that their lives were basically the same. Fancy vacations, jewelry, cars, clothes, private school, private tennis coaches and housing all paid for their whole lives. All it shows me is that there wasn’t a major change in lifestyle after the killings…. They would have been provided for their whole lives and Jose would have just continued to make more and more money.
Exactly. And even if someone doesn't want to believe the sexual abuse claims, the emotional psychological and physical torture both these boys endured from the moment they were born is enough to make one realize they had every reason to think their lives were dispensable. The trauma they both underwent is unbelievable. Unfortunately, this trial took place decades ago when there was much less awareness regarding child abuse. The prosecutor kept asking the witnesses if they ever saw the kids being beaten; as if this is the ONLY kind of child abuse. SMH
Lyle admitted they didnt kill parents because of their claimed abuse , so being that they wanted to be freed of fathers control but still needing the lavish lifestyle, they shot both parents for the $$$$ inheritance before parents could change their will as they had threatened to do. They had been involved in stealing from homes prior to the murders
They stole for the thrill, not for the money. They feared for their lives if they spoke up about the abuse and that's exactly what José thought Lyle would do.
@@barbarabreunis7788 really? Did they kill for the thrill too? Does that excuse their prior crimes?? Are u for real? There was 0 evidence that they were in fear of anyone ! Dont fall for their proven lies. Listen to erics confession to dr. Oziel , that is the most honest reason...
Because LA has a corrupt justice system. They knew they screwed up with OJ so these two unknowingly became the target for LA cleaning up their previous mistake. As someone who’s lived in LA their entire life, police are known to be corrupt, both LAPD and police officers in the county. Wouldn’t surprise me if the court system is the same.
Jeffrey dahmer, a serial killer who killed 17 innocent people before brutally raping, skinning them, and eating them, got the same sentence as the menendez brothers. what the hell is wrong with america?
So not normal for adult men being in there parents financial business ,like those 2 bros knew how rich there parents were and they were efups the father was getting was warning them about inheritance if they didn't shape up,and they were 18 and 21 full on adults still hanging on to there parents money bags they knew they were getting older and wanted money fast , they wanted parents out of the way
@NewYork-eo3hi Shut UP LOL If your children are behaving a certain way parents need to look in a mirror and see WHY. No one is going to shoot their parents into oblivion for money. PERIOD
Their mother is obviously bi polar or borderline personality and self medicated with booze. Very unpredictable and unstable. The father was a classic narcissus .
yeah i suspect the mom had bipolar/bpd as well. the father was most likely a sociopath and a sadist, and knowing he was a hollywood executive, i wouldnt put it behind him to assume that he also was a part of a cult. sickening.
This prosecutor said IN THIS TRIAL to the jurors “Boys cannot be r@ped. They don’t even have the right equipment “. That says all you need to know about what everyone thought about sexual @buse against boys at that time and why they were so scared and embarrassed to admit to it. Not to mention we know so much more about coercive control nowadays and why Eric at 18 didn’t just leave. His parents were determining what he was going to college for and that he was staying at home when he thought he would finally be able to escape. The brothers were examined by a psychiatrist in jail who determined Lyle was at an emotional maturity of a 10 year old and Eric an 8 year old and if you watch the trial you can literally see them turn into little boys on the stand. Omg- Lyle naming all his stuffed animals and doesn’t even understand he should be embarrassed about it- he’s laughing and excited about it. Sooooooo many extreme evidence of real abuse. Eric’s extreme mouth injury- nowadays CPS would be involved. The bed wetting- so much. My heart breaks for them. Lastly, every positive thing they have done to help others throughout incarceration when they KNOW, absolutely KNOW there is literally zero chance of release, they are dying in prison and they spend time bettering themselves and becoming advocates of helping other victims of abuse. What psychopath does that?? The odds of having 2 sociopaths in one house to conspire to murd3r their parents is so minuscule I would say impossible. And the quote unquote spending frenzy is completely blown out of proportion. Eric spent $10K and Lyle spent $60K over 7 months- out of millions and every penny had to be approved by the uncle, the executor of the will. The grand jury DENIED the fact they did it over money. The heinous nature of the murd3rs prove there is something much deeper and darker going on than k!lling them for money. Whoever thinks that knows nothing about the case. They had a significant life insurance coming to them in a few weeks time. If it was about money, why didn’t they wait for that? Why do it that weekend? Because Eric told Lyle and rational or not, after years of sadistic abuse and threats if they ever told what would happen, and Eric told and Lyle threatened his father. People who have experienced traumatic abuse their whole lives live in constant fear, trauma and are constantly on alert. The “normal “ person would not see their fears as reasonable but to them, especially Eric, his works from age 6 to 18 was constantly fight or flight, like in prehistoric times when you’re on alert that at any moment a tiger can attack you. You can never relax and you don’t know what is coming next. You have a warped sense of reality. Leslie said she knew he was telling the truth because of how well he adapted to prison because for the first time in his life- in the ultimate environment of confinement, he was finally free and safe. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!!! They have paid their punishment and more and are rehabilitated. They deserve to live a decent life for once.
Calm down ma’am, stop sympathizing killers. They could have taken much more moral and intelligent measures instead of killing them. And maybe you should focus on your own life and stop caring so much about strangers.
@@Narcis.N You seem to have shortened your name... Narcissist... suits you just fine... Narcissists are often idiots because they don't want to learn and think they are never wrong... Learn something about what abuse does to a brain... aifs.gov.au/research/family-matters/no-89/neurobiological-effects-childhood-maltreatment#:~:text=Violence%20and%20post%2Dtraumatic%20stress%20disorder&text=MRI%20studies%20show%20that%20exposure,volumes%20and%20the%20corpus%20callosum. and follow your own advice.... focus on your own life. Moronic narcissist....
The lawyer legit seems to be a man hater. How about now lady? DO men have the right equipment now?? They always have. If men can have sex then they have the right equipment, what a moronic thing to say. She is sexist and all these prosecuters care about is their record of how many they have put in prison. FUCK THAT
Bozanich in the Netflix documentary: " I'm armed. We got guns all over the house. Don't mess with me. " so you agree? you agree that using a gun in the name of self defense is valid?
On trial for killing his parents that were suppose to love and protect him . Also on trial for being sexually abuse and probably feeling so embarrassed about what happened to him for all those years of fear . Those poor men just never had a chance 😢Set them free America . Come on ….😔
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet? Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
I’ve watched and rewatched both Lyle and Erik’s testimonies and interviews and realized that part of my fascination is with the fact that they both appear to be kindhearted and sensitive guys juxtaposed to their horrific upbringing. Several times I’ve wondered how is this possible, but now I think I know. When they were younger they were very much involved with their extended family, possibly most importantly, Aunt Teri. It also sounds like friends, neighbors, coaches and teachers within their well-to-do community provided positive role models in contrast to their parents. Had all those influences not been available to them, I think we would have seen much different behavior in many ways.
I just find it hard to even imagine these very intelligent, sensitive, kind hearted men even doing something like this. Even with recreations of it in Monsters and other tv/film adaptations. I know they did it but they must've felt so cornered and scared for their lives. I find myself really rooting for them and caring about them and feeling for them.
Yeah she is a mouthy little b!tch! She's has had an unhealthy obsession with the brothers for 35 years. She's always calling them names in documentaries and even with all the proof they were severely abused, she still thinks they are lying. She's currently fighting publicly to make sure the brothers don't get out of prison. She's making herself look like a cool because most of her "evidence" against the brothers all these years, she has made up or gets from shady people. So that's would be "hearsay" lol! When she's frustrated doing cross examination with Dr.Ann Burgess, she insults the beloved doctor with, "do you know what psychobabble is"? Then walks off, "I have nothing more" the judge let's her get away with disrespecting the witness. It's sickening! Her name is Pamela... forgot last name.
This attorney is awful. Her questions are stupid. She actually said men can't be raped. She thinks she's accomplishing something but the reality is she's not. Lyle is very calm & unwavering. How anyone could think Lyle & Erik made this up is beyond me.
@@Jessielovestarot No. She did not win. She was replaced because Garcetti had no faith in her. When your boss thinks you're so incompetent you need to be replaced it means you're awful at your job. This is a very basic fact of the case. You not knowing that speaks to how little you know about the case. Might want do some research on it least you look as incompetent as the attorney
@@Jessielovestarot This was the first trial, which ended with hung juries. The brothers were convicted in the rigged second trial, which she had no role in and is bitter about that. The brothers maintain to this day that they were abused and killed out of fear.
@ and they had to get out of the death penalty. What’s your point. They admitted it fuch man. You people need education bad. These views men at 18 and 21 both went to the best schools. Lyle was at Yale or Princeton maybe you people neee to be able to out smart KILLERS! You all are really dumb . You need education bad you can’t comprehend. No learning skills
She is so stupid and evil? So what she was trying to say that it’s ok to abuse your children as long you gave them money and good life!!!! No amount of money could ever change what they went through !! The real monsters are the parents and they got what they deserved. These boys don’t deserve to live their whole life in prison
She clearly doesn't understand nor wants to understand that abuse is unjustified. In fact they're just kids and were scared for their life. Either they survive or die. They clearly know well that their father is a narcissist and powerful person that he can do anything he wants without getting caught. They have been through enough.
Why is she the deranged prosecutor woman keeps putting a blame on Lyle , the victim for not stopping the abuse of their brother another victim?!!! She is disgusting and very ignorant, uneducated and shouldn't be even questioning victims like that! No wonder they didn't know to whom to turn in the society like that! Absolutely appalling!
It's so infuriating how they kind of hold Lyle responsible for what happened to Erik, like the predator wasn't Jose and it wasn't Kitty's job to protect her sons from harm. Truly disgusting.
You are delusional. I wonder why they used this argument, it’s not like they could go and interrogate the parents, why??? Because they were dead. It was the biggest deflection in court history and people actually buying this shit is absolutely baffling.
@@joenoah4391I am stunned by how many people actually believe these Menendez brothers and the story that their attorney Leslie Abramson helped them concoct. They've got this entire fan club that defends them to hell and back again. Luckily the judge and jury were smarter than that and saw right through their lies and put them where they belong and where they will stay.
@@EM-mw2qr but the WHOLE family believes them because all of them have seen the abuses, many of their cousins have talked about them in childhood telling them that their dad massaged their penises. There's even pictures of them naked that their parents took, and in one of the pictures it seems like one of them is even erect. They were clearly abused
In Germany court system in which i worked as juvenile support worker, under 21 year olds get usually judged as minors due to immaturaty (especially in trauma cases) and maximum prison sentence is 20 years. Character avaluation regarding chances of rehabilitation and level of danger to society are crucial to judge a case. They have left out all considerations which are major factors for making conclusions about which sentencing is proportionate. Inspite of all the experts who witnessed for defence cooperating their story and explaining the issue, and the prosecution having no proof otherwise, some jurors seemed to just dismiss those factors based on nothing but being unfamilar with those topics and "disbelieving" (according to other jurors). Prosecution also went out of their way to twist and distort and ignore some undeniable truth. It definitly was injustice!
It's a messed up judicial system. The fact that the D.A. (District Attorney) also known as the prosecutor has to show a "quota " of how many defendants they prosecute in order to be reelected. It doesn't matter if you are fair as a D. A. , it's about winning... Pathetic!
Oh god Lyle, ' I haven'r lied here, but I've said a lot of things here I wish I didn't have to say'... to be fair, he has easily been more honest (I feel) than I ever have been in my life...the statement that their lives were not good for the 6 months leading up to arrest, haven't been since arrested, 'our lives never have been great' insinuating they have never had a great life (despite their 'privilege') breaks my heart.... but what gets me is this is CLEARLY the first time he has ever felt supported in his life... look at his face when he says 'I feel like I am very different, than I was then, and I have different people in my life, my family has come and gathered around us....' THIS is the 1st time he has felt supported in his life.... EVER, the first time in his life he has truly felt 'safe' (you can see that in the softness of his face in that moment) enough to tell the truth. The fact he says about his abusive parents, that there were good times as well as bad times is the absolute 100% truth of abuse (not well known back in 80s/90s) that the reason people stay in abusive relationships is that people don't leave is because 'it's not ALLL bad', so because you had this sliver of 'kindness' YOU should be grateful' grrrrrr! This prosecutor makes me angry, because 'your parents threw money at you, you should suffer ALL of the abuse they threw at you.... be grateful for the money you little 'sh*t' SERIOUSLY!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬 Lyle knows where the prosecuter is going with this questioning, BUT he sticks with being honest... so much respect for you!!!!
Now, I wonder what childhood incest stories Sean 'Diddy' Combs is going to come up with. Hmm. Obviously all you bottom feeder Victim Bashers will spring into action to defend him too.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet? Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
Yes, you articulated my thoughts too on his being in a good place now.. if you look at them at footage of them younger they both looked very closed down. (eg funeral, arraignment) might be i'm reading into it too much
If he was a liar he’d answer the question simply and say “yea living in that family was miserable”, but when asked if living in this family was miserable, he genuinely thinks about it and says “no there were good times too”. Shows that he’s not trying to misconstrue the story to his favor.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet? Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
the prosecutors facial expressions should have been noticed by the judge. She appeared annoyed on purpose many times to show the jury that she thought they were full of crap. Shouldn’t be allowed to do that.
Omg, yes! I just posted a similar comment on Reddit today about her facial expressions and looking at the jurors! She scrunches up her face when looking at witnesses like it somehow helps get them to agree with her. It only makes her look foolish. She had a bad reputation being obsessed with the brothers for 35 years now. Big hate for them and she tells everyone. It's crazy!
She tried to intimidate Lyle by showing her judgmental attitude. I would have asked her if she had an issue with her face muscles and she forgot to take her pills if I were someone of defense team
I like how expressionless he seems, no emotion displayed while being on the stand for three hours straight, complete poker face. You can’t tell if he’s offended, surprised, angry or irritated unlike his brother. His father would actually be proud of him, he taught him to be the master of his own emotions
Unfortunately, that worked against him. One male juror said, after the trial was over, that he couldn't buy Lyle's testimony because he cried when revealing the abuse but flipped into a straight face during cross-examination. What a great way of determining someone's fate!
he is very astute and doesn't get rattled by Pamela. probably because of the way that Jose drilled him with questions. when you've had so much practice dealing with a psychopathic man like Jose, Pamela's snark is not as effective. She's just like a chihuahua yapping away
These men were intimidated by their parents their whole life. This woman was just a normal thing for them to endure. Lyles domineer is answering as if his Father was interrogating him. 😢
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. He's a custom to the abrasiveness, condescension and nit picking. The prosecutor was his dinner table conversations. I think she was annoyed that she didn't get a rise out of him.
also it was really infuriating the way she was talking to him, in this arrogant tone like she knew everything even more than lyle himself, trying to make him make any mistake but failed miserably because his answers are so consistent. she lost against him and that's why she's still so damn bitter till this day.
How the jurors remained hung after the first trial is crazy to me? I can definitely understand how they legitimately feared for their lives. They felt their only chance was "get them before they get us". Not to mention the vast majority of their home lives they were in survival mode. I sure hope they are released to enjoy a few years of peace.
According to the jurors who spoke after the first trial, there were a lot of heated arguments. Some jurors didn't even understand the concept of "reasonable doubt", and didn't understand that the prosecution had to prove intent, rather than the defense having to prove the sexual abuse. The men also felt that Erik was homosexual because his father called him a "f*gg*t" (not sure how that was relevant), that the parents were ideal parents, that the expert witnesses were paid and not reliable, that men lie on the stand so can't be believed, etc.
@@Brandon-hr2vk have you only watched monsters? because that show is so inaccurate it got so many things wrong about Lyle I recommend watching the Menendez documentary that will come to netflix on october 7th
Most children don't kill their parents unless something foul happened in their upbringing or they suffer from severe mental health like schizophrenia. And I've never heard of siblings jointly killing their parents unless abuse is involved. I dont buy the money argument as Lyle was off to college with his own dorm and everything already paid for. He wouldn't throw his life away just for his brother unless something foul was happening. Also the way they shot those parents was out of pure hatred or fear. If it was just about money, they would'nt have defaced them like that. They had no debts or gambling habits, nothing that indicated they needeed money straight away hence why the grand jury threw out the money motive. Statistically, children who kill their parents do so out of fear or abuse. If these boys hadn't had rich powerful parents they would have been believed.
The way he explains his calculated actions without incriminating himself is a sign of intelligence. I think bozanich hates that he isnt dumb. It would make this a lot easier for her 😂😅
It breaks my heart that they had to go through all of this all their childhood and then the prosecutor hates that what they're saying is true and not acting or lying. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!
@@MariaPadua-qf1ox Exactly. She just wanted to climb the ladder in her career in a big way and used poor eric and lyle to do it. Makes my stomach turn. She said for her it was about defending the mother. Lies. I don't believe that for a second.
@@MariaPadua-qf1ox Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them. The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information. The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies. Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too. They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings. Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased. On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed. For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said. Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were. The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel. N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
I saw her in a doco recently.. She is soo bitter and nasty... over the top.. She was mad that the brothers were getting positive postings on tictoc.. She's paranoid too. She said something wierd about having guns at home for self protection. She's in a prison of her own making i'd say.
@@sooz5703 @sooz5703 Yessss. VERY great way to put that. Even Leslie who adored the brothers has moved on cus it's been so long. I'm sure she still wants the best for them but she's leaving this alone. Shouldn't she be off traveling the world or something? Lol. And after all this time I was hoping that it would hit her that she was super nasty in this case but turns out she's just a nasty person. She's aging horribly and I think it's becus of all that ugliness in her heart...and how dare she put out Leslie's business talking about she lost all her money. She should not have been able to say that. They should have cut that. Thats not our business if it is or isn't true. And she's so biased her creditability is not one to count on to even believe such a thing. Disgusting behavior. She's a non factor today in all this and is so still so scared. Like I was so confused watching the doc 👀 lol. Thx for your response 💜💜💜
1:02:00 - 1:22:30 ish is just the lawyer looking heartless and trying hard to make him see "angry" when all he seems is extremely traumatized and truly remorseful, giving an honest account of his family dynamic
Those tapes of Lyle I think were a defense mechanism due to him being locked up, imagine having to admit you were brutally r*ped by your father and molested your little brother cause you thought it was normal behind bars… The 80’s was wild and lacked empathy like a mf
Normal people with empathy and understanding will know that they're telling the truth. No one wants to tell stuff like this, the whole world knows. He even admitted that if his father is still alive, he wouldn't speak a thing about what he did. He clearly loved them but they don't. Who in their right mind wants to do that to their own child.
This woman has no clue about the abuse, how it works, what it does to you, to your brain, to the way you think. I can see that people who were not abused cannot understand how is that possible, not to be able to go against the abuser. And she is like that, no clue. She thinks that it is easy to go against. It would be easy for a person who wasnt abused by the abuser. For the abused it is a different story. Abused person thinks totally different.
As incest victim myself I understand his motive not to tell the police about the family secret. He was told not to at a very young age. Raised that way, your fears are childlike. It took me a long time into adulthood starting to talk about it.
He didn’t take the stand in the second trial because he spoke to a woman on the phone who wrote a book taped their conversations which made all his evidence useless in the second trial.
@@opencurtin that's not true. that's just what Netflix said but that was FICTIONAL. He didn't testify in the 2nd because he couldn't take it anymore. The Norma Tapes weren't even that hurtful to their defence (not as Netflix portrayed). He never said anything contradicting the abuse - in contrary.
@@opencurtinThat is not true. I have listened to the tapes and there was nothing on those tapes that would prevent him from testifying. That is the reason that tapes were not admitted in the second trial. He poured his soul during the first trial and got no result, why would he do the same in the second trial. He was mocked openly on television..I think he was just done.
@@aidafaupl4733Exactly, Erik was begging on stand asking for Leslie to remain as his attorney in the 2nd trial because he wouldn't be able to have someone else, Lyle during his exchanged with Norma also said that Jill was like his bestfriend and he said he would never change her / have anyone else as his attorney. In the documentary Lyle said he couldn't talk because of the ridicule and Jill leaving him
@@aidafaupl4733Exactly, Erik was begging on stand asking for Leslie to remain as his attorney in the 2nd trial because he wouldn't be able to have someone else, Lyle during his exchanged with Norma also said that Jill was like his bestfriend and he said he would never change her / have anyone else as his attorney. In the documentary Lyle said he couldn't talk because of the ridicule and Jill leaving him
@@crystalrose9003 omg LMAO. You kids should Actually watch the friggin Trial. FYI - 3 episodes of the cross-examination by the prosecutor for over 10 Hours & his imbecilic flatline manner does Not change one bit. Then refer yourself to their despicable Performances where their snake oil peddler of a lawyer Trained them for the Academy Award nominations. Ever heard of the saying 'like chalk & cheese'? N.B. Don't get rich because Your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@bethryan9077 or maybe that’s their personality ever though of that lmao they aren’t some big evil unfazed creatures that would act all the time and put on a performance for all those years and fool the world this isn’t some movie they’re human beings stop the dehumanization it’s ridiculous
The prosecution could not find ONE SINGLE WITNESS to give a positive character witness for Jose except his secretary. Everyone described his as controlling (ESPECIALLY regarding the brothers), mean, unreasonable, powerful…. This is a man who instills fear and makes known how powerful he is. 30 relatives on both sides of the families believe the brothers including Kitty’s own sister and Jose’s mom before she passed. Sooooo many relatives provided evidence of the s%xual, physical and mental sadistic abuse that was NOT ALLOWED in the second trial. The judge was humiliated OJ was acquitted and he was NOT going to lose another high profile case the next year so he took out 90% of the s$xual abuse evidence which was critical to their defense. They would absolutely, without a doubt got manslaughter and would have been free years ago if the judge allowed the truth in and was not corrupt. Travesty
Sayyyyyyy itttttttt. 💜💜💜💙💙💙 FREE ERIK AND LYLE. I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE GO OFF ABOUT THEM. THEY DESERVE IT. LOL. YOU SAID THAT EXACTLY HOW IT NEEDED TO BE SAID
I know the defenses job in this case is to break down the other side but the questions asked are almost like “you were privileged so that means you had a good life” or painting him/them to be psycho’s who were money hungry etc. but the reality is that no matter how much you physically have, materials don’t make up for the holes in peoples hearts and minds and the suffering of sexual and mental abuse as a child. Ugh
Now, I wonder what childhood incest stories Sean 'Diddy' Combs is going to come up with. Hmm. Obviously all you bottom feeder Victim Bashers will spring into action to defend him too.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet? Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
Actually they did kill their parents out of anger. They were caught robbing people & Jose threatened to cut them out if the will. That was their motive. Not sex or any abuse. Abramson came up with the abuse excuse. They had no other defense.
@@KT-fm7dt I can bet my underwear that you saw that horrible Netflix show about them and believe everything they portrayed there... they bought Lyle an apartment mere weeks before the murders very good way of "cutting them off "
When he was saying he wasn't trying to create false leads, he explained it perfectly. She just wanted to be dumb about it. Her and that asian prosecutor just kept at the same question so many times 🙄
They didn’t want to reveal family secrets , so they lied , and that is what made it suspicious. They were raised not to reveal their flaws. They did enough time for the killing , but they deserve freedom to live their life finally.
@@ClarZoeLe seeing this comment 13days later I definitely stand by my comment lol the profile picture is so small on my phone, looks like early Jose. Until you enlarge it lol
This is just too painful to watch... I have to tell myself, he just recently got his college degree and he was smiling about it 😢. If only they could have gone to a hospital for treatment after this, that helps with severe PTSD, etc. They would have been able to do like Lyle said, and start their lives over 😔
@@wilchil5433probably not as cool as Pamela who couldn’t care less if there was any abuse that triggered the brothers to kill and not as cool as the two abusers who were supposed to be parents, no?
I feel like he does very very well. She is trying to get him to get angry or defensive but he just doesn’t do it. It’s quite unfortunate that his brother would fall for those classic poking the bear questions prosecutors often ask. I feel for both of them so much. Erik to me seems that he suffered mentally much more- understandable considering he was abused much longer- but Lyle is just very calm and collected even in face of this woman. I almost feel proud of him for how he behaves. It’s hard to feel any joy now knowing what eventually happened but it’s nice to see him act so intellectually.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet? Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then. You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
@@shnugglebugs5524 he’s a killer ya he’s angry about his parents saying he’s cut off the weekend before at 21 . Ya he’s mad and jealous of Erick his entire life . Hello 👋 Lyle’s a killer ya. Admits for money as well
It's almost horrible how the prosecutors treated these two boys as if they were normal adults, asking if he thought that way, when you don't understand that when you grow up in an abusive home you don't grow up as a normal child. She treats Lyle as if he were a normal adult college student who sometimes messes up and makes mistakes. The situation here is so different and few can understand it. Their whole lives were not like the lives of other children who had a healthy home at home, they only knew one world. I pray they get out of jail soon, 35 years is so unfair.
In a tape-recorded therapy session months after they shotgunned their parents to death, Lyle and Erik Menendez said that they killed their mother to put her “out of her misery” and that their father deserved to die because his infidelity had driven her to despair. During just over an hour with their Beverly Hills psychologist, the brothers never mentioned sexual abuse or self-defense--now the cornerstones of their defense against murder charges. On the tape, Erik Menendez sobs. But Lyle Menendez speaks coolly of the slayings as a carefully calculated “meeting of the minds”--and as an accomplishment of sorts.
There's nothing the Proscution can say at this point to convince me these boys have not already done their time. .since they were born. I'd let them off completely, the parents got what they deserved & the boys have suffered enough (since birth). The fact Lyle thinks the SA with his Mother (who didn't meet the bare needs of a baby/child) is consensual tells me he needs therapy, not jailtime. As it is, they should be let out immediately since the Menuedo man came forward saying Jose drugged & raped him as a child. #freetheMenendez's
These parents were Horrible!! But they didn’t deserve to be killed by their sons!! I do believe they’ve served their time and is in no way a danger to society so I hope they get released yet it’ll probably Never happen. I don’t think this new evidence that’s surfaced will even matter to Any judge and that’s 😞 Sad! The whole situation is extremely 😔 Sad!!
Poor Lyle , he looks dead inside , like his soul went with his parents. He was also brought up to conceal secrets and lies and therefore feels like not only did he kill his parents , but also betrayed them by revealing their life nationally. The pictures from now look like more alive and like he’s made peace.
His command of language is remarkable. The prosecutor keeps trying to lead him into traps, but he remains calm, composed, and seemingly sincere, revealing a sharp intellect. His responses are detailed, and the way he articulates his thoughts clearly shows depth of intelligence. People have said Lyle was manipulative-if that’s true, you can see it right here. His intellect and verbal skills are undeniable. He presents himself as entirely honest-and I’m not saying he’s not-but when you consider what he said to the woman who contacted him in prison right after the first trial - and with whom he had phone conversations for a long time - and who recorded them - it’s striking how skillfully he could manipulate people into believing he was completely honest. This does not take away from my opinion that both brothers have paid their dues at this point and should be resentenced.
Where was he not honest? You aware that the Norma tapes did not incriminate him and that it was just another spin by media? Also have you considered that the crime would have reflected their intellect but didn't at all and that is even more evidence additional to other evidence that it was impulsive and in high emotional state blacking out rationality and calculation!?
@@Salee-ze7qt I don't disagree with you. I believe their lives were hell, and they should receive parole at this point. But they did kill two people. I sense that Lyle was the mastermind in everything that happened, and Erik was more of a victim of his brother's power over him. Regardless, their sentence of life without the possibility of parole was, as in Leslie's words, exceedingly cruel.
He is very believable in here. 'Good things came out of these', and he starts to cry. He is honest. She is asking about the money, the cars, vacations, private schools, soooo what? Ffs. This is actually laughable. How many people have the same type of wealth and they are miserable because they go through similar shit or some other sick stuff. Her argumentation, that some things were good is so weak. The abuse cancels it all. These things mean nothing when you are constantly 'punched in the stomach' by your father. If it mattered, or was more important or equally important to the abuse (I know it may sound weird) the parents wouldn't be dead.
I'm always amazed at the amount of pro prosecution people who actively seek out videos about this case. I myself find the case interesting (mostly from a defense point of view) to analyse so I like to revisit videos to refresh my memory or check new conversations happening. I always see some of the same pro prosecution names pop up and it genuinely confuses me. It seriously must be some sort of mental health issue to continually express hatred towards two people who have no effect on your life whatsoever and even more so in a case where the murder victims family support and stand by the killers and have said they DON'T FORGIVE THE PARENTS. There's something about this case that attracts some really insane individuals who just have a hard on for crime and punishment.
I totally agree with this. I realize it's the prosecutions job to defend the parents, but at the same time, the people were absolute monsters. The defense couldn't have had a better case. The witnesses they brought in, the testimony they brought out. In my mind, because of the defense in this case, there is no question those two were abused terribly. The defense were the real heroes.
It's almost like the Proscution is doing the job the Defense would usually do in a trial. The parents got what they deserved & the boys have had no life. The abuse never ceases to shock & horrify me as a therapist. And I've only seen Lyle's testimony. It's heartbreaking.
Also, the Proscution was politically motivated to win in the 2nd trial where the abuse was significantly curtailed by THE SAME JUDGE who heard the extent of the abuse in this trial!!
@@brookebailey4330 It's also astonishing to me how they act as if they are experts on the case when they either get so many things wrong, or cherry-pick certain things that suit their agenda.
This prosecutor is so blessed! She’s fortunate never to have experienced abuse. However, when you’re given blessings and misuse them by acting self-righteous, karma will catch up to you eventually. Karma doesn’t always affect you directly-it can impact your kids or loved ones, leaving you to witness their pain. Also, I find her comments about Leslie’s financial issues uncalled for and unprofessional, especially when she follows them up by mentioning her own houses. It comes across as insensitive and boastful, which only undermines her credibility and integrity. Lastly She also mentioned in an interview that there was a joke between her and her colleagues about the Menendez brothers and their attorney, Leslie. They joked about having two bullets and debated who they would shoot. She allegedly said she would shoot Leslie, the attorney, twice. This kind of remark seems unprofessional and highly inappropriate, especially given the serious nature of the case.
I"m not into karma but her pride, her bitterness and unwillingness to accept she could have been wrong and perhaps that she re-abused these young men on the stand is paying her back. She's a paranoid, bitter, nasty woman. That's her punishment and it's all of her own making.
His dad used to drill him really horribly when he was a child over the dinner table. If he got a question wrong, he'd get punched. Pam and her cross examination is lightwork.
Such a terrible childhood, yet he's so respectable and respectfull, like a true honerable person that he actually is, a hero who saved his little brother ❤❤❤
Prosecutor: Why is it that you lied to the police; was it because you didn't want to get caught...yea goofy that's usually how it works when u lie to the police 😂
I think this is so complicated bc these 4 people have built up such a hyper toxic system, that was unfortunately working, so that u simply got used to it, that the boys simply snapped in a few days. Not bc this one thing happened, but bc all those years happened before. And while she’s always talking about them being adults - I don’t think so. These were still kids. And the way they saw their family was still highly childish. And it also seemed like the two never really had great friends they socialized with and only had each other - and then you lose yourself in your tiny little world with all these unspoken elements and interpretations - and then there’s that one point where „it“ doesn’t work anymore
the way she was trying really hard to get him to say that he was mad at his father before the killing and failed terribly and that's because she truly didn't understand the dynamic of their relationship, never understood how they were describing jose, she understood nothing.
This young man is so honest and very clear in his answers .Amazing memory and standing up so well to this cross examination .
BSSSSSSSSS
@@sharylanne7738your just support abusers don't you
@@sharylanne7738
very unintelligent reply hence why comment has 125 likes and you have 2
@@annapugh9262 I am absolutely staggered at people on here so aggressively coming at anyone who defends or at least empathises with the brothers, whilst openly defending child abusers. It’s shameful
Or is pre planned they did have access to higher education than the normal public school. Hes an evil person.
Lyle spoke from a place of someone that was truly abused when he said; "I wasnt just sitting around saying i was miserable. I was just trying to adapt."
Yes..survival mode.
Everyone keeps mentioning his answer at 45:50 but you need to keep watching till 46:30 because he does get emotional right after he finishes that response. You can hear it in his breath & see it in his eyes. You can also hear it in his voice when he answers the follow up question. It was a great answer but clearly took something outta him to be able to say it.
I think the prosecutor was expecting him to agree with her that “on his best day his father was tyrannical” and she was gonna say but look at all these nice things he did for you. It seemed to throw her off a bit.
It breaks my heart, to think that them being in jail at that time was better than his home life.
And all she talks about is the privilege he had, you can have all the $$ in the world, but being abused at the same time doesn’t cancel out being abused. So she thinks bc he came from wealth,went on vacations and brought the the doctor the abuse wasn’t as bad or important!!! She sounds so ignorant, I literally can’t stand her or the sound of her voice. Ughhhhh!
It breaks my heart, to think that them being in jail at that time was better than his home life.
And all she talks about is the privilege he had, you can have all the $$ in the world, but being abused at the same time doesn’t cancel out being abused. So she thinks bc he came from wealth,went on vacations and brought the the doctor the abuse wasn’t as bad or important!!! She sounds so ignorant, I literally can’t stand her or the sound of her voice. Ughhhhh!
This!💯 Yes he tries very hard to not become emotional, however it's always there in his eyes and brows. This particular time stamp I consider one of his best comments during cross. I think after he said it out loud, his own words hit him in a big way. His life was going well. He helps his brother, made terrible decisions, and lost everything, but at the same time Erik is free from the 12 years of evil and finds prison a better place. This sediment is not the same for Lyle as he stated in 2020 interview. So I wonder which part of his statement got him choked up. It could be that it's everything as a whole. Maybe knowing the possibility he will be in prison for a while. 😞
I don’t think the prosecutor understands that money doesn’t bring happiness, especially to children. Children need love, empathy, compassion, hugs, cuddles…..not just speech pathology, and tennis lessons. I doubt she has children.
Right. Like being raped and abused and neglected can’t make you miserable as long as you have money
That’s not at issue at trial what’s at it issue is premeditation for the murders
@@miguelangelquiroz4669 First of all, they were already living lives of rich people, they weren't wanting for anything as far as material needs went. Second, they had been told they were struck off the will, so they weren't expecting any money. Third, the abundance of research evidence shows that children kill their parents don't do it for the money. There was no other evidence to suggest that they did it for the money.
Tamara, you must not pay attention to many cases. Lots of children kill their parents for money, so not sure where you're pulling that out of, other than your behind. In fact stats will show you it's the most common cause. Secondly, there is no evidence to support that they thought they wouldn't receive an inheritance, other than their word. I dont know if they're being truthful, but your spewing nonsense
Money is literally the number one reason people are killed
This lawyer's voice is a crime in itself.
Sometimes lawyers are evil and don't care about the truth, just the money.
I don't know enough about this lawyer and her motives, but it is evident she had little regard for scientific truth. Her line of questioning to Lyle about his professed "love" for his mother and the apparent contradiction in his shooting of her cheeks shows she completely discounted the hours and days of evidence by many experts about the impact of trauma. These days, even lay people know that when your sympathetic nervous system is over-activated, like Lyle's was in the lead-up to the shooting and during the moment of shooting, your frontal lobe, where thinking and judgement resides, shuts down. As Lyle responded, he wasn't thinking, just reacting.
I once heard a male juror say that he couldn't believe that the boys were afraid when the parents were behind a closed door. This juror, like the lawyer, also disregarded what many experts testified to - that their brains' threat centre would have been hyper-active, based on years of experience of threat. If the defense could prove that they lived under those conditions, the last moments would be easy to understand. Withhold that information, and pre-meditated murder is all one can logically conclude.
Prosecutors from the DA’s office aren’t in it for the money…but Bozanich was motivated by anger, hatred, and a desire to win
Prosecuting a case isn't a pleasant process. But she did seem a bit too disdainful.
Its her job as a prosecutor…they’re just doing their job because that’s what you do to make an income. Even if she believed them, she has to make a point. It’s not like she made a ton of money out of this. She’s just a lawyer who got a big case.
I'm a Lawyer and I understand the way people might perceive us, but that's our job, it's not an easy one and you need a certain kind of character to perform it and be willing to be parised and be hate all at the same time.
The fact that Lyle thinks that what happened between he and his mother was mutual is so terrible and an indication that he is telling the truth. One, he was a minor, and two, even if he wasn't, she was clearly in a position of power over him and was HIS MOTHER!
Yeah it's sad that as an adult he couldn't admit that his mother molested him because a child cannot consent to sexual acts and really you can never consent to incest with a parent no matter your age because they have power over you.
Agreed. He seems to feel like he bears some responsibility in the abuse his mother committed against him.
He's a proven liar,where have you been these last 35 years?
@@patbrown2699 womp womp
@@patbrown2699he’s been proven to not be lying lol where have you been
It makes me so angry and horrified to see how at minute 47:37 Pamela tries to minimize the abuse and harm they received, Just because they had a privileged life with expensive schools, cars, money and more. It's stupid. The luxuries in such a situation are just as miserable for the victims. And I won't discuss it with anyone.
Calm down. It's the prosecutors job to prove their case, whether you like it or not. I don't particularly like Pam either, though they're still entitled to ask questions that might not be in favour of the defense's case.
@@scooopableThere are ways to ask questions and be smarter, some of them from both Pam and Kuroma were pretty stupid. And I know it's their job but on many occasions it's done badly.
@@karorodriguez969 I can agree that it occured sometimes, though in that particular timestamp, how else do you think she could have asked it? In my opinion it wasn't really argumentative or asked in a particularly nasty way.
I just don't think that's exclusive to Pamela. Leslie also asked Brian Andersen the question "when did you decide to remember that" and she also tended to be very argumentative and scream in the courtroom. To me, Pam seemed much more grounded and calm and made pretty good points in her closing argument. I'm not pro-prosecution, just for the record. I just see the case very nuanced.
I can’t stand this lawyer.
I get she doing her job but have a ❤️
cry harder
I think she’s great but tough ,that’s what you need with two spoilt brats who murdered their parents and tried to weasel out of it by claiming to be abused
@@opencurtinthere is SO much evidence that they were actually abused and have trauma. They also weren’t actually all that spoiled. You really need to do your research before you go commenting bullshit
@@Iszidoraa I saw the first case the sex abuse excuse was bullshit then and it’s bullshit now , that excuse is for the gullible and that one’s fawning over these creeps who were given every opportunity in life but chose the easy way out to try to get their parents money , I’m not saying everything was sunshine and roses in that house but try living a real hard life before you shotgun your parents to death !!!
I’m 48 years old and have had traumatic abuse in my childhood (NOTHING- not a millionth of what the brothers did) and I have been in years of therapy and continue to this day to make excuses for my parents and minimize what they did. Even at 24 years old I still lived with them and felt I could not leave and we had NO MONEY. People understand coercive control much more these days. At 48 years old if my father raises his voice I will start shaking and freeze like I’m a child again and as an adult I have become a kickboxing instructor and can defend myself but I still go right back to a child. Your formative years are as children- it shapes who you are as an adult. Unfortunately I have been with partners my whole life who were just like my dad. It’s really hard to understand unless you have been through it. To actually watch the brothers turn into little boys on the stand when they start talking about the abuse is heartbreaking. FBI behavioral analysts have said the very best actors could never conduct a “performance “ like that. They believe them, as do I. No matter how good of an actor you are- and these are not trained actors- Eric took a drama class in high school and was in a Shakespeare play- that is what we are dealing with here. When you’re lying your body gives unconscious “tells” that you cannot control. Everyone who’s analyzed them said their emotions/behaviors are so consistent with severe trauma that it would be virtually impossible for them to be that consistent unless they were being truthful.
Thank you so much for sharing your truth. I'm sorry that you went through what you went through and are still going through what u are going through. It is truths like yours that help people open their eyes. At least if they choose to. 💙💙💙
I'm so happy that at least the ones that believe them do. Like us. Sending you a hug and hope that things get better and that you get out of that grip that allows you to still telapoort to being a child. Ty again.
I agree, I witnessed shocking domestic abuse as a child and have hidden it away for 45 years. I only told my husband of 25 years last month. I have never had therapy, but I suffer from anxiety and trichotillomania. Watching Erik and Lyle crying breaks my heart. 😢
@@shay4415 I totally agree. I’m so sorry with what you have gone through and continue to deal with. It’s so heartbreaking and I 💯believe that they were abused. Definitely not an act imo
While still attached to one’s abuser he/she feels almost like you share their brain. The prosecutor is asking questions as if Lyle was an “independent “ 19 years old normal college kid used to rebelling instead of a severely abused almost brainwashed guy who could even think the way she’s purporting in her questions to Lyle. Her questions sound as if she’s purposely trying to make him look bad. Only a person who grew up under constant scrutiny and abuses of both parents in their own way would be able to understand. I hope at the very least the Menendez brothers get a new trial.
They’re lying like their life depends on it….
I find Lyle to be very honest and forthright. Both of these men (brothers) need to be released from prison. They have done enough time now in prison. They survived a horrific childhood and have been through hell.
I agree totally!
agreed 👍🏻
I agree with you
He was taught to be a liar. I don't believe everything he's saying and in the second half of cross he got a tad bit confused. He's a cold-blooded killer.
@@Bob_CatsI’m with you the way they acted after the murders is enough for me what the motive was
Bro, the lawyer speaks in such a disrespectful tone sometimes. Like…if you don’t like the guy okay, but be professional. Do your job without your feelings interfering. AND STOP ASKING IF HE WAS ANGRY
right! the way she compared him buying rolexs without thinking to killing his parents without thinking 🤦♀️
This is very common practice for both defense attorneys and prosecutors.
This is very normal for lawyers that's how they can get the truth out at times. Now a days everyone is just too sensitive
She is not disrespectul, she is a good lawyer stating facts. If you dont like it too bad. You are too naive.
But it’s okay when Leslie Abramson did it because it fit your narrative right?
She keeps interrupting him, she asks the questions but doesn’t let him finish answering them! It gave me a headache
Not really dude is just pausing and thinking quickly of what to say. Hes a great actor I give him that.
@JayBMex the photos, medical records, letters, 50+ other witnesses etc are acting too right? I can't believe inanimate objects like photographic evidence and medical records can act as well! amazing technology
Please don't be.
Everybody now knows how nasty, judgemental & unintelligent this woman is.
Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard! She’s the type who thinks if she speaks fast, she sounds smart and intimidating. She had an opinion of the brothers, before the trial started. It’s so obvious… she does to this day, she’s a bitter bitch.
@@rumi1970dgYup, they’re all lying! lol…ppl need to really watch this case, and body language experts explaining that it’s so difficult to fake the emotions they show during the highly charged moments of their testimony. STILL after all these years it’s sad how closed minded people are, especially the prosecutor to this day!! 🙄😡
Those boys deserve a huge apology and millions from the judicial system!
You too deserve a medal for being so godawful Gullible.
Apologize for what they premeditated their parents death then try to blame it on the mob.. they could have premeditated stealing their father's money or a big chunk of it getting in the car and leaving
Your full of trash nation needs to start a new beginning & it's called Church where you will learn 'Thou Shall Not Kill. This case has certainly shown that there's a whole Cult of twisted bottom feeders who will slaughter their parents for the Money. Congrats. BTW - Jose had an insurance policy for $15 Million & the paperwork was in his Office, where Eric had been working. Those mongrels were expecting an Instant payout then they could splurge extravagantly while waiting for the will to be probated, only about 8 Million. They didn't know that the 15M was a policy for the Business loan in case of death. Lyle bought 3 Rolex watches on the Wednesday using his credit card. Woops. LMAO.
@@Barbara-b8yexactly
Why? He openly said it was not from the abuse but from an argument that weekend he killed them
This man deserved a hug. You can tell how hurt he is from his eyes
🧢. Hes not hurt he just doesn’t like being in a cell. Which is where he belongs.
Este caso lo estoy, siguiendo es ahora, más miedo me da Erick, pero Lyle me parece un hombre muy triste
@ both of those men hurt. Lyle and Erick are both victims of torture and hundreds of rapes by their father. No one deserves more justicie than the other.
He's an actor
@bethechange man are you guys brainwashed1226
He outsmarted her , she had lots of traps fot him but he didn't fall for them
Lol Lyle was experienced being interrogated for 21 years by Jose at that point, Pam was an amateur interrogator compared to Jose
She wanted to make the jury think he was coached masterfully for this because it was such a compelling bit of testimony. I'm glad they did not allow that line of questioning. It should never be allowed to ask how the defendant has prepared to testify.
I wonder what they could have achieved in a different world. So much ability put in prison.
Really a remarkable family all around, bright and charming, accomplished. I wish it would have been different for them all.
@doveandpatch yet she and the cops coached their witnesses to lie on the stand, ex. Donovan and were caught in their lie.
I think he had a heart of gold. Necklaces, bracelets, an emerald pendant, roses every week...They don't make them like that anymore. He loved that girl.
Which girlfriend
@@Mro637 I believe her name was Stacey. She was his girlfriend from 16-18.
@@Mro637Stacy. H.S girlfriend
He also created a collection of stuffed animals for her to comfort her when they were apart .
Money and trips doesn't overshadow the fact they were abused makes me sick😢
Lyle does have a child like attitude. He remains loyal to his dad, no outbursts of anger. No hateful comments. Only children do that. I’m certain no friends or normal activities were ever permitted.
Because he knows he's guilty and he knows he's lieing about his dad ,there is a part in the trial when lyle is directly examines and he says in one answer , after the shooting he didn't want to talk to erik or look at him he thought erik was really bad ! These 2 were if age 21 and 18 ,me for example I left my home in nyc at 17 and a half and I was a young girl out of hs and joined the military, I wasn't going to have my parents support or put up with me ,I left and I'm glad I did ,I loved my parents ,they are now gone ,but there comes a point in life when you realize it's time to go seek new adventures and create my life ,these 2 didn't want to let go ,they wanted that money ,they were ef ups ,spoiled self entitled attitudes ,and you all better know this fact ,do you ever wonder why Leslie Abramson isn't on recent Interviews to support them ,? Oh ok let me say she made up abuse bs ,she gave them each a book called " when a child kills " by Paul mones and when you read the book ,it's almost like the script for there case ,thheybare lieing scummy brats ,after the slaughter they spent money in obscene ways , 4 rolex watches ,gold money clips,a 550k restaurant in nj,35k in clothing and shoes,porsches jeeps,pool tables 4 patio homes 2 marina fel rey condos ,gambling trips, fine dining ,lieing to family friends ,another buisness in a strip mall in nj ,these 2 took there lives and tryed fashion ing it like the billionaire boys club ,that monster liar Leslie Abramson didn't want that narrative in the trials,and do you all know william vicary eriks lieing psychological dr ,talk about karma, recently his license to practice is no more out in California for his actions and inappropriate behavior toward clients that couldn't pay him his fees ,bastard ! Snd know that Leslie Abramson nearly got disbarred because whole she was questioning william vicary on the stand the prosecutor David conn realized they were working on redacted document he was lieing on the stand for Leslie Abramson, the judge even asked the young killer wrik if he would like or not for her to continue to defend him and he said he still wanted her to defend him regardless and funnybafter the trial ended erik was so upset that he tryed to say he had mispresentation by Abramson haha karma ! And I can go on and on ,know this fact as well ,after the first trials ended hung lyle menendez was recorded in a jail phone call with a friend and made this statement "WE FOOLED HALF THE COUNTRY THE FIRST TIME ALL WE NEED TO DO IS FOOL THE OTHER HALF " both liars never were they molested and thos hasbeen coming put 34 years later from menudo better beware he can be arrested for false statements and that Robert rand as well pushing his narrative like he teyed to do back in 1990 to one of lyles friends Donavan goodreou,the case is open shut ,they killed for money got away for almost 7 months and boom lwop they so richly deserve bye bye ,help the hungry ,the homeless the poor ,stop looking up to lieing murderers! Eho will do nothing in society ,they are murderers !!!!!
Bless his heart for having a family of stuffed animals so he can maldaydream 😭
Money hungry
@@Gle7799Idiot!
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This lawyer is weird. So because his life was privileged therefore it cancels out what the father had done to them in the dark? I pray there is a hell & especially for this prosecutor. I can't believe my ears. To hell with the money & trips, they suffered their whole childhood & it messed up their whole adulthood.
Girlllll Speakkkkk. And all of that was what his dad wanted. That didn't have anything to do with Lyle. He had better listen to his father. He had no choice. Wasn't a fkn candy fair walk. Things were going horrible for him. Lyle started getting punched in the stomach at 5 years old 😢😢😢
She works for the state, what did u expect? I would rather voice an opinion on the judge cause he was biased that big ol dossa. Given the circumstances of the OJ case and how they lost that, they did everything in their power to win this case.
How excruciatingly sorrowful for Lyle...the main thing here is that HE WAS Erick's protector all his life!!! No one cared for Erick, but Lyle adored his brother, genuinely loved Erick with all his heart! These men need to be released...they were tormented all their lives!
@@ladylilo6044 there's this guy that was in jail with them for about 10 months he said that Lyle was a manipulator and Eric would do anything for him... Just like the shooting
@GorgaliciousEvilWorshRag funny that's been said when they literally were separated for all those years. 10 months when? I'm questioning like you. Where's the evidence. How can you make that add up? They lit just united. And there's no way that we can use that person as a solid resource when they prob had a falling out with them and they just don't want them. Could be bias as hell...I agree with you. Lyle was all Erik had. And they'd do anything for each other. 💜💜💜 FREE ERIK AND LYLE
@@Barbara-b8y10months? They just united. I'm confused
She constantly keeps asking, “Did this make you mad”??????That not his personality.
@@ritagamez3732 well tell that to that horrible man who created that horrible Netflix show about them... they portrayed Lyle like this egomaniac who apparently scared kitty
like obviously just trying to paint a picture of an angry man. the more lyle talked, the more I felt bad for him. those kids were traumatized by their parents
@@theinvisibleme4104Exactly…either Lyle is a genius and the greatest actor to ever walkend this earth or Ryan Murphy is a POS…I listen to these tapes and not once did I see him to show any temper or aggression….He talks as if they sucked the life out of him…his voice is so depressed, Are we all.blind or Ryan Murph knows some things that we don’t??
@@theinvisibleme4104 I think he was just showing different perspectives of what could have happened in that series. And people who were with him in jail stated that Lyle was the more aggressive one and Erik was weaker.
@@katiem4539 They sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who would murder Their parents at a drop of a hat. Shame on you all.
That lawyer is not making a good argument. She’s going in circles.
she is making him look lazy, good for nothing, not credible, diva
@@BlissDecisionwho to blame for that behavior? His mom and dad, they raise him to be just that, someone who never worked a day in his life was emotionally and financially codependent.
Exactly!! They isolated them and kept them dependent so they'd struggle to leave home, all for their own sick satisfaction. Everyone said the boys are "just psychopaths" .. what are the chances two children both end up psychopathic if they have normal parents?? Slim to none. No one thought about that?
@@theinvisibleme4104
@@BlissDecisionwhich he isn’t
@lamitaelbaba5372 he is not a lazy, good for nothing, burglar, assassin, diva ?
@47:24 In her attempt to downplay the abuse, she hurts her argument that they did this for financial gain. She spent her whole case trying to prove up all the purchases the brothers made after the crime - Fancy vacations, jewelry, cars, clothes, private tennis coaches and housing - as if they killed their parents so they could have nice things but from her own cross examination, she’s proving that their lives were basically the same. Fancy vacations, jewelry, cars, clothes, private school, private tennis coaches and housing all paid for their whole lives. All it shows me is that there wasn’t a major change in lifestyle after the killings…. They would have been provided for their whole lives and Jose would have just continued to make more and more money.
Exactly.
And even if someone doesn't want to believe the sexual abuse claims, the emotional psychological and physical torture both these boys endured from the moment they were born is enough to make one realize they had every reason to think their lives were dispensable. The trauma they both underwent is unbelievable.
Unfortunately, this trial took place decades ago when there was much less awareness regarding child abuse. The prosecutor kept asking the witnesses if they ever saw the kids being beaten; as if this is the ONLY kind of child abuse. SMH
Exactly !!
Lyle admitted they didnt kill parents because of their claimed abuse , so being that they wanted to be freed of fathers control but still needing the lavish lifestyle, they shot both parents for the $$$$ inheritance before parents could change their will as they had threatened to do. They had been involved in stealing from homes prior to the murders
They stole for the thrill, not for the money.
They feared for their lives if they spoke up about the abuse and that's exactly what José thought Lyle would do.
@@barbarabreunis7788 really? Did they kill for the thrill too? Does that excuse their prior crimes?? Are u for real? There was 0 evidence that they were in fear of anyone ! Dont fall for their proven lies. Listen to erics confession to dr. Oziel , that is the most honest reason...
People who've killed numerous people just for the hell of it have been let out way earlier in the sentencing. Why arent these guys.
This world is trash
Because LA has a corrupt justice system. They knew they screwed up with OJ so these two unknowingly became the target for LA cleaning up their previous mistake.
As someone who’s lived in LA their entire life, police are known to be corrupt, both LAPD and police officers in the county. Wouldn’t surprise me if the court system is the same.
Jeffrey dahmer, a serial killer who killed 17 innocent people before brutally raping, skinning them, and eating them, got the same sentence as the menendez brothers. what the hell is wrong with america?
Lyle is very articulate and clearly had talent to make dreams come true. I wish they had a place to turn
He's an idiot and annoying ,great acting from a great liar
So not normal for adult men being in there parents financial business ,like those 2 bros knew how rich there parents were and they were efups the father was getting was warning them about inheritance if they didn't shape up,and they were 18 and 21 full on adults still hanging on to there parents money bags they knew they were getting older and wanted money fast , they wanted parents out of the way
@@NewYork-eo3hi their parents were child molesters, it was self defense, end of discussion.
Lyle has a talent of lying & not very bright. Why would he make a mockery of the jury ? It was recorded by a friend when he was in jail!
@NewYork-eo3hi Shut UP LOL If your children are behaving a certain way parents need to look in a mirror and see WHY. No one is going to shoot their parents into oblivion for money. PERIOD
Their mother is obviously bi polar or borderline personality and self medicated with booze. Very unpredictable and unstable. The father was a classic narcissus .
Go have a good look in the mirror. BTW - those mongrels bet their left nuts on making Suckers out of people like you.
Narcissus with a BPD , horrific and toxic together.
More like a psychopath and a sadist
Father is sadist I suggest and one of the experts suggested narcisitic for mother.
yeah i suspect the mom had bipolar/bpd as well. the father was most likely a sociopath and a sadist, and knowing he was a hollywood executive, i wouldnt put it behind him to assume that he also was a part of a cult. sickening.
This prosecutor said IN THIS TRIAL to the jurors “Boys cannot be r@ped. They don’t even have the right equipment “. That says all you need to know about what everyone thought about sexual @buse against boys at that time and why they were so scared and embarrassed to admit to it. Not to mention we know so much more about coercive control nowadays and why Eric at 18 didn’t just leave. His parents were determining what he was going to college for and that he was staying at home when he thought he would finally be able to escape. The brothers were examined by a psychiatrist in jail who determined Lyle was at an emotional maturity of a 10 year old and Eric an 8 year old and if you watch the trial you can literally see them turn into little boys on the stand. Omg- Lyle naming all his stuffed animals and doesn’t even understand he should be embarrassed about it- he’s laughing and excited about it. Sooooooo many extreme evidence of real abuse. Eric’s extreme mouth injury- nowadays CPS would be involved. The bed wetting- so much. My heart breaks for them. Lastly, every positive thing they have done to help others throughout incarceration when they KNOW, absolutely KNOW there is literally zero chance of release, they are dying in prison and they spend time bettering themselves and becoming advocates of helping other victims of abuse. What psychopath does that?? The odds of having 2 sociopaths in one house to conspire to murd3r their parents is so minuscule I would say impossible. And the quote unquote spending frenzy is completely blown out of proportion. Eric spent $10K and Lyle spent $60K over 7 months- out of millions and every penny had to be approved by the uncle, the executor of the will. The grand jury DENIED the fact they did it over money. The heinous nature of the murd3rs prove there is something much deeper and darker going on than k!lling them for money. Whoever thinks that knows nothing about the case. They had a significant life insurance coming to them in a few weeks time. If it was about money, why didn’t they wait for that? Why do it that weekend? Because Eric told Lyle and rational or not, after years of sadistic abuse and threats if they ever told what would happen, and Eric told and Lyle threatened his father. People who have experienced traumatic abuse their whole lives live in constant fear, trauma and are constantly on alert. The “normal “ person would not see their fears as reasonable but to them, especially Eric, his works from age 6 to 18 was constantly fight or flight, like in prehistoric times when you’re on alert that at any moment a tiger can attack you. You can never relax and you don’t know what is coming next. You have a warped sense of reality. Leslie said she knew he was telling the truth because of how well he adapted to prison because for the first time in his life- in the ultimate environment of confinement, he was finally free and safe. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!!! They have paid their punishment and more and are rehabilitated. They deserve to live a decent life for once.
Calm down ma’am, stop sympathizing killers. They could have taken much more moral and intelligent measures instead of killing them. And maybe you should focus on your own life and stop caring so much about strangers.
@@Narcis.Ndo you even know ANYTHING at all about this case?
@@Daydriansfavv Quiet.
@@Narcis.N You seem to have shortened your name... Narcissist... suits you just fine... Narcissists are often idiots because they don't want to learn and think they are never wrong... Learn something about what abuse does to a brain... aifs.gov.au/research/family-matters/no-89/neurobiological-effects-childhood-maltreatment#:~:text=Violence%20and%20post%2Dtraumatic%20stress%20disorder&text=MRI%20studies%20show%20that%20exposure,volumes%20and%20the%20corpus%20callosum. and follow your own advice.... focus on your own life. Moronic narcissist....
The lawyer legit seems to be a man hater. How about now lady? DO men have the right equipment now?? They always have. If men can have sex then they have the right equipment, what a moronic thing to say. She is sexist and all these prosecuters care about is their record of how many they have put in prison. FUCK THAT
Bozanich in the Netflix documentary: " I'm armed. We got guns all over the house. Don't mess with me. "
so you agree? you agree that using a gun in the name of self defense is valid?
On trial for killing his parents that were suppose to love and protect him . Also on trial for being sexually abuse and probably feeling so embarrassed about what happened to him for all those years of fear . Those poor men just never had a chance 😢Set them free America . Come on ….😔
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then.
You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
I’ve watched and rewatched both Lyle and Erik’s testimonies and interviews and realized that part of my fascination is with the fact that they both appear to be kindhearted and sensitive guys juxtaposed to their horrific upbringing. Several times I’ve wondered how is this possible, but now I think I know. When they were younger they were very much involved with their extended family, possibly most importantly, Aunt Teri. It also sounds like friends, neighbors, coaches and teachers within their well-to-do community provided positive role models in contrast to their parents. Had all those influences not been available to them, I think we would have seen much different behavior in many ways.
I just find it hard to even imagine these very intelligent, sensitive, kind hearted men even doing something like this. Even with recreations of it in Monsters and other tv/film adaptations. I know they did it but they must've felt so cornered and scared for their lives. I find myself really rooting for them and caring about them and feeling for them.
That female lawyer is absolutely a nightmare! (As an Australian Lawyer - I would have objected to so much of her cross-examination)!😖😖😖
I agree with you 100% - she is horrible! Can you imagine if these were 2 sisters!!! They would never have been convicted. 😢
prosecution sucked why it went to mistrial probably
Yeah she is a mouthy little b!tch! She's has had an unhealthy obsession with the brothers for 35 years. She's always calling them names in documentaries and even with all the proof they were severely abused, she still thinks they are lying. She's currently fighting publicly to make sure the brothers don't get out of prison. She's making herself look like a cool because most of her "evidence" against the brothers all these years, she has made up or gets from shady people. So that's would be "hearsay" lol! When she's frustrated doing cross examination with Dr.Ann Burgess, she insults the beloved doctor with, "do you know what psychobabble is"? Then walks off, "I have nothing more" the judge let's her get away with disrespecting the witness. It's sickening! Her name is Pamela... forgot last name.
❤l totally agree with everything said release these two Brothers definitely were abused in every way possible.
She's an A$$hole!
This attorney is awful. Her questions are stupid. She actually said men can't be raped. She thinks she's accomplishing something but the reality is she's not. Lyle is very calm & unwavering. How anyone could think Lyle & Erik made this up is beyond me.
@@thejoanzone140 she won correct ? How is she awful.
@@Jessielovestarot No. She did not win. She was replaced because Garcetti had no faith in her. When your boss thinks you're so incompetent you need to be replaced it means you're awful at your job. This is a very basic fact of the case. You not knowing that speaks to how little you know about the case. Might want do some research on it least you look as incompetent as the attorney
@@thejoanzone140 dude they got life . And they admitted it was for money with her she won . The first defense quit 👋
@@Jessielovestarot This was the first trial, which ended with hung juries. The brothers were convicted in the rigged second trial, which she had no role in and is bitter about that. The brothers maintain to this day that they were abused and killed out of fear.
@ and they had to get out of the death penalty. What’s your point. They admitted it fuch man. You people need education bad. These views men at 18 and 21 both went to the best schools. Lyle was at Yale or Princeton maybe you people neee to be able to out smart KILLERS! You all are really dumb . You need education bad you can’t comprehend. No learning skills
She is so stupid and evil? So what she was trying to say that it’s ok to abuse your children as long you gave them money and good life!!!! No amount of money could ever change what they went through !! The real monsters are the parents and they got what they deserved. These boys don’t deserve to live their whole life in prison
She clearly doesn't understand nor wants to understand that abuse is unjustified. In fact they're just kids and were scared for their life. Either they survive or die. They clearly know well that their father is a narcissist and powerful person that he can do anything he wants without getting caught. They have been through enough.
@@MariaPadua-qf1ox exactly 👌 and the fact that they’re still suffering in jail it’s so heartbreaking 💔
Three words that describe and encapsulate this disgusting prosecutor: Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Why is she the deranged prosecutor woman keeps putting a blame on Lyle , the victim for not stopping the abuse of their brother another victim?!!! She is disgusting and very ignorant, uneducated and shouldn't be even questioning victims like that! No wonder they didn't know to whom to turn in the society like that! Absolutely appalling!
It's so infuriating how they kind of hold Lyle responsible for what happened to Erik, like the predator wasn't Jose and it wasn't Kitty's job to protect her sons from harm. Truly disgusting.
You are delusional. I wonder why they used this argument, it’s not like they could go and interrogate the parents, why??? Because they were dead. It was the biggest deflection in court history and people actually buying this shit is absolutely baffling.
@@joenoah4391 The only person delusional here is you who doesn't believe victims even if the truth and facts are starting them in the face .
@@joenoah4391I am stunned by how many people actually believe these Menendez brothers and the story that their attorney Leslie Abramson helped them concoct. They've got this entire fan club that defends them to hell and back again. Luckily the judge and jury were smarter than that and saw right through their lies and put them where they belong and where they will stay.
@@EM-mw2qr but the WHOLE family believes them because all of them have seen the abuses, many of their cousins have talked about them in childhood telling them that their dad massaged their penises. There's even pictures of them naked that their parents took, and in one of the pictures it seems like one of them is even erect. They were clearly abused
In Germany court system in which i worked as juvenile support worker, under 21 year olds get usually judged as minors due to immaturaty (especially in trauma cases) and maximum prison sentence is 20 years. Character avaluation regarding chances of rehabilitation and level of danger to society are crucial to judge a case. They have left out all considerations which are major factors for making conclusions about which sentencing is proportionate. Inspite of all the experts who witnessed for defence cooperating their story and explaining the issue, and the prosecution having no proof otherwise, some jurors seemed to just dismiss those factors based on nothing but being unfamilar with those topics and "disbelieving" (according to other jurors). Prosecution also went out of their way to twist and distort and ignore some undeniable truth. It definitly was injustice!
It's a messed up judicial system. The fact that the D.A. (District Attorney) also known as the prosecutor has to show a "quota " of how many defendants they prosecute in order to be reelected. It doesn't matter if you are fair as a D. A. , it's about winning... Pathetic!
Oh god Lyle, ' I haven'r lied here, but I've said a lot of things here I wish I didn't have to say'... to be fair, he has easily been more honest (I feel) than I ever have been in my life...the statement that their lives were not good for the 6 months leading up to arrest, haven't been since arrested, 'our lives never have been great' insinuating they have never had a great life (despite their 'privilege') breaks my heart.... but what gets me is this is CLEARLY the first time he has ever felt supported in his life... look at his face when he says 'I feel like I am very different, than I was then, and I have different people in my life, my family has come and gathered around us....' THIS is the 1st time he has felt supported in his life.... EVER, the first time in his life he has truly felt 'safe' (you can see that in the softness of his face in that moment) enough to tell the truth.
The fact he says about his abusive parents, that there were good times as well as bad times is the absolute 100% truth of abuse (not well known back in 80s/90s) that the reason people stay in abusive relationships is that people don't leave is because 'it's not ALLL bad', so because you had this sliver of 'kindness' YOU should be grateful' grrrrrr! This prosecutor makes me angry, because 'your parents threw money at you, you should suffer ALL of the abuse they threw at you.... be grateful for the money you little 'sh*t' SERIOUSLY!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Lyle knows where the prosecuter is going with this questioning, BUT he sticks with being honest... so much respect for you!!!!
Now, I wonder what childhood incest stories Sean 'Diddy' Combs is going to come up with. Hmm. Obviously all you bottom feeder Victim Bashers will spring into action to defend him too.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then.
You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
So well said 👏👌
Very well said. I could't help at notice that you analised him very well...
Yes, you articulated my thoughts too on his being in a good place now.. if you look at them at footage of them younger they both looked very closed down. (eg funeral, arraignment) might be i'm reading into it too much
If he was a liar he’d answer the question simply and say “yea living in that family was miserable”, but when asked if living in this family was miserable, he genuinely thinks about it and says “no there were good times too”. Shows that he’s not trying to misconstrue the story to his favor.
He's already admitted to hiding the truth because they didn't want family to know about the family secrets.
Yes. And it's no doubt painful and embarrassing to discuss that sort of thing, particularly publicly.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then.
You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
@@michelleb3698 What a bunch of suckers you people truly Are.
the prosecutors facial expressions should have been noticed by the judge. She appeared annoyed on purpose many times to show the jury that she thought they were full of crap. Shouldn’t be allowed to do that.
Omg, yes! I just posted a similar comment on Reddit today about her facial expressions and looking at the jurors! She scrunches up her face when looking at witnesses like it somehow helps get them to agree with her. It only makes her look foolish. She had a bad reputation being obsessed with the brothers for 35 years now. Big hate for them and she tells everyone. It's crazy!
She also has a very sour face and I guess it comes naturally. Good on Lyle, he stood his ground very articulately
She tried to intimidate Lyle by showing her judgmental attitude. I would have asked her if she had an issue with her face muscles and she forgot to take her pills if I were someone of defense team
@@KathrynChiswell yes, Lyle did very well considering how many hours\days he was on the stand! Master of his emotions 😞
Mr Menendez before we start I'd like to start. 😂💁♀️🤷♀️
I like how expressionless he seems, no emotion displayed while being on the stand for three hours straight, complete poker face. You can’t tell if he’s offended, surprised, angry or irritated unlike his brother. His father would actually be proud of him, he taught him to be the master of his own emotions
Unfortunately, that worked against him. One male juror said, after the trial was over, that he couldn't buy Lyle's testimony because he cried when revealing the abuse but flipped into a straight face during cross-examination. What a great way of determining someone's fate!
omg 😢
@@Tamarahope77 They umm Both acted the Same for both parts actually because, they were Acting. Jeez.
@@bethryan9077 that's speculation, hard to prove. how do I know you're not acting.
@@bethryan9077how they lying but they have 50+ witnesses for them and a bunch of evidence bffr
If they're released soon I'm glad the judge and prosecutor lived to see it
@@shelbay3 weird but ok
But i don’t think the judge and that “beach “ of an attorney would feel guilty
@ you don’t think much do you lol 😝
@@Jessielovestarot Certainly not as much as you do with your tarot cards … 😘
@@user-gb5ff7gj1m again you don’t think much do you lol 😂
The prosecutor is not only sleazy and annoyingly sarcastic, she's terrible at her job. I can't believe the jury fell for her shitty tactic.
You could tell Lyle was tired of her BS 😂😂, bro really ate her up lol
They didn’t. It was a mistrial.
and she hasn't changed a bit either. she's exactly the same
he is very astute and doesn't get rattled by Pamela. probably because of the way that Jose drilled him with questions. when you've had so much practice dealing with a psychopathic man like Jose, Pamela's snark is not as effective. She's just like a chihuahua yapping away
😂chihuahua
Hahahaha Chihuahua I cant
"Chihuahua yapping away"😂 That cheered up my soul while getting through her offensive attitude😅
These men were intimidated by their parents their whole life. This woman was just a normal thing for them to endure. Lyles domineer is answering as if his Father was interrogating him. 😢
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. He's a custom to the abrasiveness, condescension and nit picking. The prosecutor was his dinner table conversations. I think she was annoyed that she didn't get a rise out of him.
@@KatsandSoup Exactly. My heart breaks for those sweet boys. Praying for their release! 🙏🏻
I’m not a fan of this female prosecutor….she has a very annoying voice and personality.
@@christinechristensen6871 oh but you love them killers ? Or no
@@Jessielovestarotright?
@@Jessielovestarotoh, you mean the two brothers who killed two abusers who were supposed to be parents?
@ ask a Dr
@@Jessielovestarotfix ur face
also it was really infuriating the way she was talking to him, in this arrogant tone like she knew everything even more than lyle himself, trying to make him make any mistake but failed miserably because his answers are so consistent. she lost against him and that's why she's still so damn bitter till this day.
How the jurors remained hung after the first trial is crazy to me? I can definitely understand how they legitimately feared for their lives. They felt their only chance was "get them before they get us". Not to mention the vast majority of their home lives they were in survival mode. I sure hope they are released to enjoy a few years of peace.
According to the jurors who spoke after the first trial, there were a lot of heated arguments. Some jurors didn't even understand the concept of "reasonable doubt", and didn't understand that the prosecution had to prove intent, rather than the defense having to prove the sexual abuse. The men also felt that Erik was homosexual because his father called him a "f*gg*t" (not sure how that was relevant), that the parents were ideal parents, that the expert witnesses were paid and not reliable, that men lie on the stand so can't be believed, etc.
The only jurors who were on their side were the women...
I’m sorry this does not sound like a person who’s lying or making it up in his head.
He said on a phone call after this that he put on the performance of a lifetime lol
@@Brandon-hr2vk have you only watched monsters? because that show is so inaccurate it got so many things wrong about Lyle I recommend watching the Menendez documentary that will come to netflix on october 7th
@@user-sq3ru1kf6jthis part
@@Brandon-hr2vkhyperbole
@@Brandon-hr2vkr u stupid he never said that?
Most children don't kill their parents unless something foul happened in their upbringing or they suffer from severe mental health like schizophrenia. And I've never heard of siblings jointly killing their parents unless abuse is involved. I dont buy the money argument as Lyle was off to college with his own dorm and everything already paid for. He wouldn't throw his life away just for his brother unless something foul was happening. Also the way they shot those parents was out of pure hatred or fear. If it was just about money, they would'nt have defaced them like that. They had no debts or gambling habits, nothing that indicated they needeed money straight away hence why the grand jury threw out the money motive. Statistically, children who kill their parents do so out of fear or abuse. If these boys hadn't had rich powerful parents they would have been believed.
Absolutely agree!!!
You are absolutely right!
💜💜💙💙💙💙💜💜
Not the Menendez brothers, especially lyle, he’s been troubled kid since the start
Even got kicked out of college
i don’t get why the prosecution refers to a father abusing his son as “sex” ….
That’s always pissed me off too
I would guess it’s because they want to downplay the abuse, so that the jury has less sympathy for him
That's what the boys called it.
it’s sick
Yes her wording and entire nasty attitude is meant to diminish the brother's claims. Smh
The way he explains his calculated actions without incriminating himself is a sign of intelligence. I think bozanich hates that he isnt dumb. It would make this a lot easier for her 😂😅
It breaks my heart that they had to go through all of this all their childhood and then the prosecutor hates that what they're saying is true and not acting or lying. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!
@@MariaPadua-qf1ox Exactly. She just wanted to climb the ladder in her career in a big way and used poor eric and lyle to do it. Makes my stomach turn. She said for her it was about defending the mother. Lies. I don't believe that for a second.
@@MariaPadua-qf1ox Due to the Wealth, if caught, they Had to come up with some very compelling reason as to Why they killed both parents. Firstly though, due to their Ongoing criminal & anti-social behaviours plus the parent's huge concern about a woman who Lyle was dating, in the summer, Jose had told them he was going to cut off their money, change the will & he made the Big mistake of telling them that. Jose had previously worked with & was very close to, his brother-in-law Carlos & he had discussed this with him at the time as Carlos knew quite a bit about what had been going on for ages but more particularly, he knew about the robberies both sons committed in '88, where Jose ended up reimbursing the house owners & the real Reason as to why they suddenly left Calabasas & moved to that house in Beverly Hills. Eric had watched the BBC 2-part documentary The Billionaire Boys Club & due to xyz from '88 & some dodgy friends from Calabasas, that scenario appealed to him greatly & he saw himself as the star of such a plot. He & a friend by the name of Craig, also one of the thieves from Calabasas, had already written a screenplay the year before, about murdering your parents. Due to Craig showing up at the house in Beverly Hills about Jan/Feb '89, Jose had kicked him off the property & a severe threat was made if he ever came back near his sons. Their lives had always revolved around constant tennis training & the travelling for the tennis circuit & their education. They didn't have many friends before & in Beverly Hills, they were even more so, ducks out of water. The tennis was to finish, Lyle had been thrown out of Princeton, Lyle being accepted to any Ivy League college was a figment of his bs artist imagination & instead, he was supposed to be actually working with his father. Having access to his office, gave both sons the opportunity to go through paperwork & the point being, knowledge of Jose's finances & insurance policies. Jose had a policy for $15 million But, they were to find out this was Not a personal insurance policy but in relation to the business loan. There was another for $5 million but Jose hadn't taken the medical for that & so, it was not in place.
Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutors questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them.
The trial shows some Very interesting information about Jose's sister Marta & Her involvement, in relation to his finances, his will & an insurance policy she had written up for him in Jan '87. Though not one of the executors for Jose's will, her actions from the minute she arrived on Monday 21st August are more than questionable & more so as she went straight to his office. From her very long testimony in defence of the brothers, it is quite clear that she was the instigator in bringing family from both sides onto the witness stand to run both Kitty & Carlos right down to the ground because really, Everything was about the Money as well as the Envy of the money, Before, many years worth. The pages of Jose's insurance policy that She had written up for him as an agent, disappeared from his office, where She had basically resided for days from the moment she hit town. As suspects, those brothers had no right to any insurance money but she sent the application off immediately, via Her 'secretary' & they got a whole load of $$ & so, the exorbitant spending spree very soon down the track. In the meantime, they lived in swanky hotels due to Marta & her persuasive ways in pressuring Jose's boss for instant cash & their mode of transport was limousines for all. She told a story about the sons Not knowing about that policy & that they'd told her that they were disinherited, so the gist was, the murders Weren't about the money & so, she & certain family members were defending them to the 9th degree. It came to light that she'd lied about When she had a meeting with Jose's business partners where the sons were in attendance. She never mentioned at all, the meeting on the Tuesday evening with Carlos, the partners & Lyle. She pulled a face when the prosecutor brought up the Fact that Lyle purchased 3 Rolex watches with a credit card on the Wednesday. Basically she said "so?" The other sham was talking about the will not being found. Carlos later told the court about the other Carlos family member finding the will on the Tuesday & it was supposedly found in a box in Kitty's bedroom cupboard. Certain items were Staged in that bedroom. Just saying for Your information.
The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse their father of severe mental & physical abuse. Obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. There was absolutely Nothing else except an incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies.
Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them, the week before. Not quite right because the Autopsy report was in so, Why the direct blast to the mother's face, committed by Lyle. They'd told Dr Ozeil that Kitty was moaning when they went to leave & to put her out of her misery, Lyle went back to finish her off & This was on the tape recording. Hmm, so next, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he got a shotgun too.
They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves, the plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. The knee-capping of both parents was the MO for the mob, according to Lyle & Erik Menendez & so, that's exactly what they did, along with a point blank blast to the back of their father's head & 4 other shotgun hits for him. After 8 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & so they had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point blank shot his mother in the face. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings.
Monday 21st August '89 - info about a will was seen on the computer in the parent's bedroom but same family members plus Joan, Kitty's sister, said they couldn't access the 'index'. That sister went on to do the exact same to Kitty & Jose for the defence as the others involved & she is front & centre for news conferences at this time today, still lying, whilst she Never mentions that her darling 'boys' also accused her Sister of incest. Both of Kitty's brothers always said those mongrels did it for the Money. Very much unfortunately, Brian is deceased.
On the 1st September '89, using cloak & dagger actions & separately, Lyle & Erik rushed back to LA from their parent's funeral in Jersey. Lyle said he'd hired a 'computer expert'. This male had gained access to the house via the lane at the back, thwarting the security guard at the front. He was at the house all by himself. Was this Craig? As the police allege. The police later found out that the hard drive for that computer was destroyed.
For xyz reasons come end of October '89, Erik ended up telling Dr Oziel what they'd done. In my opinion, Erik had become fearful of his brother. Before that day of 31st Oct, Erik had told Craig what they'd done. Who went on to tell His friends in Calabasas, at some stage. When was Lyle going to find out that Erik had blabbed to Craig & which of the friends was going to tell the Cops first, what had been said.
Even though they'd plotted out another story line which was a snow-job for that psychologist, & a Very good one, what they talk about, the 'reason' for killing both parents is Very interesting indeed & that alone, shows what high end Psychopaths, obviously they Always were.
The sad sacks who have been sucked in by the sleazy Dirt that those mongrels Still say about their parents, should take note of the fact - when Dr Oziel made Erik call his brother to tell him that he was suicidal & to tell him that he had disclosed their premeditation plot to Him, the first thing Lyle did was drag Erik down to his brand new jeep & told him that that they would be killing Dr Oziel.
N.B. Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
I saw her in a doco recently.. She is soo bitter and nasty... over the top.. She was mad that the brothers were getting positive postings on tictoc.. She's paranoid too. She said something wierd about having guns at home for self protection. She's in a prison of her own making i'd say.
@@sooz5703 @sooz5703 Yessss. VERY great way to put that. Even Leslie who adored the brothers has moved on cus it's been so long. I'm sure she still wants the best for them but she's leaving this alone. Shouldn't she be off traveling the world or something? Lol. And after all this time I was hoping that it would hit her that she was super nasty in this case but turns out she's just a nasty person. She's aging horribly and I think it's becus of all that ugliness in her heart...and how dare she put out Leslie's business talking about she lost all her money. She should not have been able to say that. They should have cut that. Thats not our business if it is or isn't true. And she's so biased her creditability is not one to count on to even believe such a thing. Disgusting behavior. She's a non factor today in all this and is so still so scared. Like I was so confused watching the doc 👀 lol. Thx for your response 💜💜💜
1:02:00 - 1:22:30 ish is just the lawyer looking heartless and trying hard to make him see "angry" when all he seems is extremely traumatized and truly remorseful, giving an honest account of his family dynamic
LMAO. Doh.
Those tapes of Lyle I think were a defense mechanism due to him being locked up, imagine having to admit you were brutally r*ped by your father and molested your little brother cause you thought it was normal behind bars… The 80’s was wild and lacked empathy like a mf
Normal people with empathy and understanding will know that they're telling the truth. No one wants to tell stuff like this, the whole world knows. He even admitted that if his father is still alive, he wouldn't speak a thing about what he did. He clearly loved them but they don't. Who in their right mind wants to do that to their own child.
This woman has no clue about the abuse, how it works, what it does to you, to your brain, to the way you think. I can see that people who were not abused cannot understand how is that possible, not to be able to go against the abuser. And she is like that, no clue. She thinks that it is easy to go against. It would be easy for a person who wasnt abused by the abuser. For the abused it is a different story. Abused person thinks totally different.
One doesn't have to be abused but at least try to understand and have some compassion. She is obnoxiously ignorant and lacking empathy.
As incest victim myself I understand his motive not to tell the police about the family secret. He was told not to at a very young age. Raised that way, your fears are childlike. It took me a long time into adulthood starting to talk about it.
I love Lyle, he’s calm, collected. He refused to take part in 2nd trial, he checked out
He didn’t take the stand in the second trial because he spoke to a woman on the phone who wrote a book taped their conversations which made all his evidence useless in the second trial.
@@opencurtin that's not true. that's just what Netflix said but that was FICTIONAL.
He didn't testify in the 2nd because he couldn't take it anymore.
The Norma Tapes weren't even that hurtful to their defence (not as Netflix portrayed). He never said anything contradicting the abuse - in contrary.
@@opencurtinThat is not true. I have listened to the tapes and there was nothing on those tapes that would prevent him from testifying. That is the reason that tapes were not admitted in the second trial. He poured his soul during the first trial and got no result, why would he do the same in the second trial. He was mocked openly on television..I think he was just done.
@@aidafaupl4733Exactly, Erik was begging on stand asking for Leslie to remain as his attorney in the 2nd trial because he wouldn't be able to have someone else, Lyle during his exchanged with Norma also said that Jill was like his bestfriend and he said he would never change her / have anyone else as his attorney. In the documentary Lyle said he couldn't talk because of the ridicule and Jill leaving him
@@aidafaupl4733Exactly, Erik was begging on stand asking for Leslie to remain as his attorney in the 2nd trial because he wouldn't be able to have someone else, Lyle during his exchanged with Norma also said that Jill was like his bestfriend and he said he would never change her / have anyone else as his attorney. In the documentary Lyle said he couldn't talk because of the ridicule and Jill leaving him
My heart goes out to both of these young men.
I feel the very same way…what they went through was absolutely horrific and terrible.
My heart too 💔
Lyle: “you shoot first so I know you won’t bitch out”
Free them
killers*
Lyle's answers are articulate & calm considering the tone & style of questioning of the abrasive prosecutor.
Years of practice with an aggressive demanding father/abuser
Yep & the brother acted exactly the same. They had over 4 years to practice their performances before trial.
Yes and he remained very respectful even when she was purposefully trying to upset him. He didn’t give her any dirty looks or anything.
@@crystalrose9003 omg LMAO. You kids should Actually watch the friggin Trial. FYI - 3 episodes of the cross-examination by the prosecutor for over 10 Hours & his imbecilic flatline manner does Not change one bit. Then refer yourself to their despicable Performances where their snake oil peddler of a lawyer Trained them for the Academy Award nominations. Ever heard of the saying 'like chalk & cheese'?
N.B. Don't get rich because Your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@bethryan9077 or maybe that’s their personality ever though of that lmao they aren’t some big evil unfazed creatures that would act all the time and put on a performance for all those years and fool the world this isn’t some movie they’re human beings stop the dehumanization it’s ridiculous
This woman is so nasty, judgemental and unintelligent.
So unfair
Please free ❤Menendez Brothers❤
They are the victims
This lawyer should be ashamed of herself
The prosecution could not find ONE SINGLE WITNESS to give a positive character witness for Jose except his secretary. Everyone described his as controlling (ESPECIALLY regarding the brothers), mean, unreasonable, powerful…. This is a man who instills fear and makes known how powerful he is. 30 relatives on both sides of the families believe the brothers including Kitty’s own sister and Jose’s mom before she passed. Sooooo many relatives provided evidence of the s%xual, physical and mental sadistic abuse that was NOT ALLOWED in the second trial. The judge was humiliated OJ was acquitted and he was NOT going to lose another high profile case the next year so he took out 90% of the s$xual abuse evidence which was critical to their defense. They would absolutely, without a doubt got manslaughter and would have been free years ago if the judge allowed the truth in and was not corrupt. Travesty
@@shay4415 lmao no
Sayyyyyyy itttttttt. 💜💜💜💙💙💙 FREE ERIK AND LYLE. I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE GO OFF ABOUT THEM. THEY DESERVE IT. LOL. YOU SAID THAT EXACTLY HOW IT NEEDED TO BE SAID
@@tarrenmurphy4183 you need therapy
@@Jessielovestarot it’s literally true. That prosecutor said it herself.
@ lmao ok 👍
I know the defenses job in this case is to break down the other side but the questions asked are almost like “you were privileged so that means you had a good life” or painting him/them to be psycho’s who were money hungry etc. but the reality is that no matter how much you physically have, materials don’t make up for the holes in peoples hearts and minds and the suffering of sexual and mental abuse as a child. Ugh
Now, I wonder what childhood incest stories Sean 'Diddy' Combs is going to come up with. Hmm. Obviously all you bottom feeder Victim Bashers will spring into action to defend him too.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then.
You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
Victim shaming, bullying and humiliation by state persecution. Disturbing to watch.
Its the prosecution, not the defense.
"...objection overruled to the dramatic objection" Is this judge even serious?
Why she keeps asking him if he was mad? He didn't kill his parents out of anger 😂
*anger
Actually they did kill their parents out of anger. They were caught robbing people & Jose threatened to cut them out if the will. That was their motive. Not sex or any abuse. Abramson came up with the abuse excuse. They had no other defense.
@@KT-fm7dt I can bet my underwear that you saw that horrible Netflix show about them and believe everything they portrayed there... they bought Lyle an apartment mere weeks before the murders very good way of "cutting them off "
@KT-fm7dt have you been intimate with your parent since you were 6 years old? Would it make you angry?
Theres literally pictures and witnesses of the abuse.@@KT-fm7dt
Her questions may be the dumbest questions I've heard. He answered honestly and straight forward. Free them!
He did the right thing. Lyle was defending his brother & even though Erik could have fled from justice, he came back from Israel to be there for Lyle
Erik had no choice but to return
@@mikieanthony777 he could have fled
@@Marnie311
Fool 🤦♂️
@@mikieanthony777 You don’t have to insult people just because u don’t agree with them
@@Marnie311
If he didn't want to return, Israel would have sent him back per the agreement with the USA.
Israel will not harbor criminals. Understand?
When he was saying he wasn't trying to create false leads, he explained it perfectly. She just wanted to be dumb about it. Her and that asian prosecutor just kept at the same question so many times 🙄
They didn’t want to reveal family secrets , so they lied , and that is what made it suspicious. They were raised not to reveal their flaws. They did enough time for the killing , but they deserve freedom to live their life finally.
Lyle is an impressive witness. He should be freed.
I thought your profile picture was a photo of Jose 😂
@@SethMacLeod95 You need glasses.
@@ClarZoeLe seeing this comment 13days later I definitely stand by my comment lol the profile picture is so small on my phone, looks like early Jose.
Until you enlarge it lol
@@SethMacLeod95 Yes, so you need glasses. I stand by my point.
HE BLEW HUS DADS BRAINS OUT!!! HE SHOULD BE FREE???
I can hear him speak all day 🥺💓🥰
😅😅 love it
I love that he never lost his composure on the stand being cross examined by the devil
@@jamj121 exactly! Cause if it was me I'd snap
Yes.
@xana5649they don't abuse us. if you like pedophiles so much, this isnt your place.
he looks so exhausted 😭 these boys break my heart. they deserve freedom for once in their lives
This is just too painful to watch... I have to tell myself, he just recently got his college degree and he was smiling about it 😢. If only they could have gone to a hospital for treatment after this, that helps with severe PTSD, etc. They would have been able to do like Lyle said, and start their lives over 😔
Pam must’ve gotten her heart broken by a guy who was well off, seems very personal
Pamela Bozanich is beyond ridiculous
She makes herself look foolish
I dislike her
But the killers are cool right?
@ no they aren’t - but neither are child abusers and peadophiles
@@wilchil5433probably not as cool as Pamela who couldn’t care less if there was any abuse that triggered the brothers to kill and not as cool as the two abusers who were supposed to be parents, no?
45:30 watch that part. Lyle smooth. God bless these brothers.
@xana5649 go to hell
@xana5649you shouldnt rape people either let alone your own children
I feel like he does very very well. She is trying to get him to get angry or defensive but he just doesn’t do it. It’s quite unfortunate that his brother would fall for those classic poking the bear questions prosecutors often ask. I feel for both of them so much. Erik to me seems that he suffered mentally much more- understandable considering he was abused much longer- but Lyle is just very calm and collected even in face of this woman. I almost feel proud of him for how he behaves. It’s hard to feel any joy now knowing what eventually happened but it’s nice to see him act so intellectually.
There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
Ever lying Pathological murdering scumbags because their dad threatened to cut the money off due to their Ongoing criminal behaviourial patterns & he hadn't forgotten the Robberies they'd both committed together only 12 months previously because He had to pay up the mega bucks to Those victims to save his worthless gutter rat sons from jail back Then.
You saddos actually believe that You know better than the Seasoned Homicide Investigators who Worked this case plus the Judge & 3 Juries. Stick to your Simpsons re-runs, Please.
@@shnugglebugs5524 he’s a killer ya he’s angry about his parents saying he’s cut off the weekend before at 21 . Ya he’s mad and jealous of Erick his entire life . Hello 👋 Lyle’s a killer ya. Admits for money as well
@@Jessielovestarotur like one of the 5 people who think that. Be better weirdo
Abuse is abuse, it doesn’t matter how long. It’s still traumatizing for every victim
@@ciarahoran6830 grow up
It's almost horrible how the prosecutors treated these two boys as if they were normal adults, asking if he thought that way, when you don't understand that when you grow up in an abusive home you don't grow up as a normal child. She treats Lyle as if he were a normal adult college student who sometimes messes up and makes mistakes. The situation here is so different and few can understand it. Their whole lives were not like the lives of other children who had a healthy home at home, they only knew one world. I pray they get out of jail soon, 35 years is so unfair.
In a tape-recorded therapy session months after they shotgunned their parents to death, Lyle and Erik Menendez said that they killed their mother to put her “out of her misery” and that their father deserved to die because his infidelity had driven her to despair.
During just over an hour with their Beverly Hills psychologist, the brothers never mentioned sexual abuse or self-defense--now the cornerstones of their defense against murder charges.
On the tape, Erik Menendez sobs. But Lyle Menendez speaks coolly of the slayings as a carefully calculated “meeting of the minds”--and as an accomplishment of sorts.
@@royharper2003Lyle was pissed about his mom snatching his wig off.
He is so smart and polite ❤❤ pray for their freedom
There's nothing the Proscution can say at this point to convince me these boys have not already done their time. .since they were born. I'd let them off completely, the parents got what they deserved & the boys have suffered enough (since birth).
The fact Lyle thinks the SA with his Mother (who didn't meet the bare needs of a baby/child) is consensual tells me he needs therapy, not jailtime.
As it is, they should be let out immediately since the Menuedo man came forward saying Jose drugged & raped him as a child.
#freetheMenendez's
All lies to get freedom. Lyle tried to get his then girlfriend to say his dad raped her, she refused to lie!
I'd give them 20 years but they definitely shouldn't of gotten life.
@julie , you must not have a life. You are obsessed with these murderers. They are men, not boys
Yes! The disgusting so-called "parents" got what was coming for them for a long time!
I agree completely with your statement
These parents were Horrible!! But they didn’t deserve to be killed by their sons!! I do believe they’ve served their time and is in no way a danger to society so I hope they get released yet it’ll probably Never happen. I don’t think this new evidence that’s surfaced will even matter to Any judge and that’s 😞 Sad! The whole situation is extremely 😔 Sad!!
It's so sad they'll be spending their rest of their lives in prison
You know they have a wrap sheet before the murders right. Your looking at career criminals. Your a moron.
Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
Poor Lyle , he looks dead inside , like his soul went with his parents. He was also brought up to conceal secrets and lies and therefore feels like not only did he kill his parents , but also betrayed them by revealing their life nationally. The pictures from now look like more alive and like he’s made peace.
All I can say is, imagine if these brothers were sisters…they’d be free. 😢
His command of language is remarkable. The prosecutor keeps trying to lead him into traps, but he remains calm, composed, and seemingly sincere, revealing a sharp intellect. His responses are detailed, and the way he articulates his thoughts clearly shows depth of intelligence. People have said Lyle was manipulative-if that’s true, you can see it right here. His intellect and verbal skills are undeniable. He presents himself as entirely honest-and I’m not saying he’s not-but when you consider what he said to the woman who contacted him in prison right after the first trial - and with whom he had phone conversations for a long time - and who recorded them - it’s striking how skillfully he could manipulate people into believing he was completely honest. This does not take away from my opinion that both brothers have paid their dues at this point and should be resentenced.
I agree with you they should be resenetenced
Where was he not honest? You aware that the Norma tapes did not incriminate him and that it was just another spin by media? Also have you considered that the crime would have reflected their intellect but didn't at all and that is even more evidence additional to other evidence that it was impulsive and in high emotional state blacking out rationality and calculation!?
@@Salee-ze7qt I don't disagree with you. I believe their lives were hell, and they should receive parole at this point. But they did kill two people. I sense that Lyle was the mastermind in everything that happened, and Erik was more of a victim of his brother's power over him. Regardless, their sentence of life without the possibility of parole was, as in Leslie's words, exceedingly cruel.
"is there anything i can say to you to get you to say the allegations are untrue" GIRL WHAT THATS YOUR JOB HELLO 😭😭
The prosecutions questioning about the luxurious life they were given would seem to contradict their need to kill their parents for money.
The money wasn’t theirs, it was their parents.
How so? The dad continually threatened them with being out of the will. They had no money of their own, it was all their parents money.
4 minutes in and she's already pissing me off
He is very believable in here. 'Good things came out of these', and he starts to cry. He is honest. She is asking about the money, the cars, vacations, private schools, soooo what? Ffs. This is actually laughable. How many people have the same type of wealth and they are miserable because they go through similar shit or some other sick stuff. Her argumentation, that some things were good is so weak. The abuse cancels it all. These things mean nothing when you are constantly 'punched in the stomach' by your father. If it mattered, or was more important or equally important to the abuse (I know it may sound weird) the parents wouldn't be dead.
I'm always amazed at the amount of pro prosecution people who actively seek out videos about this case. I myself find the case interesting (mostly from a defense point of view) to analyse so I like to revisit videos to refresh my memory or check new conversations happening. I always see some of the same pro prosecution names pop up and it genuinely confuses me. It seriously must be some sort of mental health issue to continually express hatred towards two people who have no effect on your life whatsoever and even more so in a case where the murder victims family support and stand by the killers and have said they DON'T FORGIVE THE PARENTS. There's something about this case that attracts some really insane individuals who just have a hard on for crime and punishment.
I totally agree with this. I realize it's the prosecutions job to defend the parents, but at the same time, the people were absolute monsters. The defense couldn't have had a better case. The witnesses they brought in, the testimony they brought out. In my mind, because of the defense in this case, there is no question those two were abused terribly. The defense were the real heroes.
It's almost like the Proscution is doing the job the Defense would usually do in a trial.
The parents got what they deserved & the boys have had no life. The abuse never ceases to shock & horrify me as a therapist. And I've only seen Lyle's testimony. It's heartbreaking.
Also, the Proscution was politically motivated to win in the 2nd trial where the abuse was significantly curtailed by THE SAME JUDGE who heard the extent of the abuse in this trial!!
@@brookebailey4330 It's also astonishing to me how they act as if they are experts on the case when they either get so many things wrong, or cherry-pick certain things that suit their agenda.
@@julielea5268, why do you lie about being a therapist? You look like a typical mental patient from the kookoo nest. smfh 🤪
This prosecutor is so blessed! She’s fortunate never to have experienced abuse. However, when you’re given blessings and misuse them by acting self-righteous, karma will catch up to you eventually. Karma doesn’t always affect you directly-it can impact your kids or loved ones, leaving you to witness their pain.
Also, I find her comments about Leslie’s financial issues uncalled for and unprofessional, especially when she follows them up by mentioning her own houses. It comes across as insensitive and boastful, which only undermines her credibility and integrity.
Lastly She also mentioned in an interview that there was a joke between her and her colleagues about the Menendez brothers and their attorney, Leslie.
They joked about having two bullets and debated who they would shoot. She allegedly said she would shoot Leslie, the attorney, twice. This kind of remark seems unprofessional and highly inappropriate, especially given the serious nature of the case.
I"m not into karma but her pride, her bitterness and unwillingness to accept she could have been wrong and perhaps that she re-abused these young men on the stand is paying her back. She's a paranoid, bitter, nasty woman. That's her punishment and it's all of her own making.
He answered these questions so well and so calmly and never fell for the traps and hooks that the prosecutor was trying to plant in her questions 👏 ❤
His dad used to drill him really horribly when he was a child over the dinner table. If he got a question wrong, he'd get punched. Pam and her cross examination is lightwork.
His parents paid for a good education so of course he's well spoken🤷
God this lady is so horrible and no empathy here in the case and even as an old woman sheesh I feel sorry for her kids and husband what an evil lady
Both of them some real ones when it comes to being brothers
Such a terrible childhood, yet he's so respectable and respectfull, like a true honerable person that he actually is, a hero who saved his little brother ❤❤❤
he has you fooled
They were rich. It wasn't that bad fr
@@domodomo4032 no money can compensate being f.. ed by your father, and terrified, wouldnt you agree?
Prosecutor: Why is it that you lied to the police; was it because you didn't want to get caught...yea goofy that's usually how it works when u lie to the police 😂
I think this is so complicated bc these 4 people have built up such a hyper toxic system, that was unfortunately working, so that u simply got used to it, that the boys simply snapped in a few days. Not bc this one thing happened, but bc all those years happened before. And while she’s always talking about them being adults - I don’t think so. These were still kids. And the way they saw their family was still highly childish. And it also seemed like the two never really had great friends they socialized with and only had each other - and then you lose yourself in your tiny little world with all these unspoken elements and interpretations - and then there’s that one point where „it“ doesn’t work anymore
I wish I could listen to these cross examinations, without listening to Pam’s voice 😖
I have to confess Leslie's cross exam with Erik stressed me no less.
her argument is always just "yeah even if you really did get rped, you still enjoyed the stuff your rpist paid for so you werent miserable at all"
the way she was trying really hard to get him to say that he was mad at his father before the killing and failed terribly and that's because she truly didn't understand the dynamic of their relationship, never understood how they were describing jose, she understood nothing.